Bonus: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 28 2026

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the growing controversy surrounding newly released excerpts from Dr. Anthony Fauci’s personal diary ahead of a scheduled congressional appearance. Clay and Buck devoted extensive time to discussing revelations they believe contradict Fauci’s public statements during the COVID-19 pandemic. The hosts examined claims involving mask mandates, social distancing policies, natural immunity, COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness, transmission rates, and fatality estimates. They debated whether Fauci would invoke the Fifth Amendment during upcoming testimony before Congress and discussed the legal and reputational consequences he could face. The conversation also explored allegations that Fauci privately expressed concerns different from the positions he publicly promoted during the pandemic, leading the hosts to argue that the disclosures could significantly reshape public perceptions of the government’s COVID response and the media’s coverage of pandemic-era public health policies.

Clay and Buck conduct an extended interview with journalist and author Alex Berenson, who discussed the contents of Fauci’s diary and its potential impact on the historical understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic. Berenson expressed surprise not only that Fauci maintained such extensive personal records but also that the material allegedly revealed a level of narcissism, self-importance, and hostility toward critics that surpassed even his expectations. The conversation examined claims that Fauci’s private writings contradicted several of his public positions on COVID-19, including discussions surrounding vaccine effectiveness, hospitalization rates, natural immunity, pandemic mitigation strategies, and the origins of the virus. Berenson argued that portions of the diary suggest Fauci privately recognized shortcomings in COVID vaccines and other public health claims while publicly maintaining different messaging.

Clay and Buck also returned to the ongoing controversy surrounding Dr. Anthony Fauci’s 1,100-page diary and his scheduled congressional testimony before Senator Rand Paul’s committee. Clay and Buck previewed the upcoming hearing and debated whether Fauci would invoke the Fifth Amendment or aggressively defend his pandemic record. They argued that newly disclosed diary entries have intensified scrutiny over COVID-19 policies and placed renewed focus on inconsistencies between public statements and private assessments. The discussion repeatedly emphasized the broader themes of government accountability, pandemic transparency, and public trust in health institutions.

An extended media analysis segment examined how news organizations covered Fauci during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. The hosts played a montage of television personalities and journalists praising Fauci and portraying him as a trusted national figure. Clay and Buck argued that many media outlets acted more as advocates than skeptics during the pandemic and suggested that current revelations may force a reassessment of how journalists covered public health guidance, lockdown policies, vaccines, masking recommendations, and government decision-making during the COVID era.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody, Tuesday, July twenty eighth edition of Clay and Buck.
He's Clay, I'm Buck. We're ready to rock. Let's do this.
There's a lot going on. First of all, Trump is
hosting Zelenski of Ukraine. Is he going to show up
wearing a suit? Clay or a T shirt? Zelenski of

(00:22):
Ukraine will be there, and also nets in Yahoo. The
Prime Minister of Israel is at the White House, and
I think those meetings are both pretty imminent. We may
bring you some of the live chat from the Oval
Office or wherever it's being held with those heads of state.
Two very big things going on there, of course, the

(00:43):
Middle East and the Russia Ukraine war. Soh yeah, there's
gonna be things to talk about. To be sure. We
have the funeral for Lindsay Graham happening, many of you,
particularly South Carolinians, I'm sure watching and following that closely.
A lot of people giving their paying their respects to

(01:04):
Senator Graham. We had Trump last night in Michigan talking
about a healthcare plan as well as the war on
fraud this administration has been involved with, and I'm trying
to make sure we're getting those are some of the
big those are on the top line. Arms also played
this Michigan primary, which Clay's really into the Michigan primary,
So he's going to break that down first in a

(01:25):
little bit. This like she's the woman who sounds like
the mom from Bobby's World. She's like, oh gosh, Haley Stevens,
Oh yeah, she's from Michigan. And then you've got Abdul
al Sayed, who does not sound like the mom from
Bobby's World. We will have the showdown between the two
of them. Clay watching this very closely as he does

(01:46):
the horse race aspect of the Senate because Clay, to
put it, to put it succinctly tough word to say
on radio, if we win that Michigan seat, if Rogers
wins that Michigan Senate seat, we're in great shape for
Senate controls. So I really do.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Believe, by the way, if he can run against Abdul
el Sayad, there's a poll out today Buck with him
up ten points on Abdul el Sayad. If abdual el Sayyad,
the crazy left wing nominee is picked, there's gonna be
a little bit of a panic that sets off in
the Democrat Party and Mike Rodgers will have money pouring

(02:25):
in the likes of which I'm not sure we've seen
in a open Senate seat in Michigan ever before.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
So just FYI. Now there's also, by the way, there's
there's a there's some jihadism going on in Europe, which
I may talk to you about a little bit, just
because in this country there's still the left still doing
all they can to run interference and cover for jihadism abroad.
End here at home. A car at a Pride parade.

(02:54):
This is the the well we'll get into this. A
jihad has killed a bunch of people at an LGBTQ event,
and Democrats in this country are very If anything, they're
just trying to make sure everyone knows that's not the
real Islam. Okay, we'll talk about that in a little bit.
But Clay, the Fauci diaries. Now, remember everybody, this isn't
just a one day story. Because Wednesday Fauci is appear

(03:17):
on Capitol Hill. Some people are saying Fauci might plead
the fifth which Clay, you can handle that piece of
this in a second. If you were lawyer Clay for Fauci,
what would you tell him to do. Because here is
what has come out of this, and this is a
subject that both of us feel passionately about. It goes
to all trust in all institutions, though in this country
it goes to the complete collapse of trust in the media.

(03:39):
And it's a cautionary tale that I don't think we
have really accepted and put into practice the lessons learned.
So that's a huge reason to also focus on this.
With Clay Fauci, we knew that he was doing all
this stuff, but he wrote it down. And what's coming
out of this is not only his megalomania, which was obvious,

(04:02):
but that he as RFK Junior AHHS secretary of this
is cut, eight guys said last night on Fox. Fauci
lied about everything play it.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
He lied about mass, he lied about the social distancing,
he lied about the transmission, He lied about natural immunity.
He lied about the capacity, as you just said, of
the vaccine to prevent infection, prevented it. He got vaccinated
a very very public press conference January of twenty twenty,
and then five months later he hadn't this the first

(04:35):
time that we knew this from the diary. He had
a pulmonary infarction, which is one of the adverse events
that NIA, CDC, and FDAs that are expected from the vaccine.
He never told anybody. He got treated for it privately
by the best doctors in America. At the same time,
he was telling everybody that that was not an adverse event.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Clay, He's horror. I mean, just can you take this first, Fout,
you lied about everything and now we know. Second, what
happens to him on Wednesday? Should he plead the fifth
because he might have to lie some more? What do
you think I think he's going to plead the fifth.
Now this goes into the legal weeds a little bit.
Rand Paul, I believe would argue, as would many other senators,

(05:21):
that because he's already received a pardon, that he can't
plead the fifth because there is no incriminating statement that
could occur based on again that pardon. If I were
fought Fauci's lawyer, I would say, plead the fifth on everything,
because what we don't know. And again this is for

(05:41):
lawyers out there. It's really kind of a fascinating analysis.
And by the way, we should also mention there's biden
audio from Robert hr Out on classified statements. And this
is an intriguing legal issue as well as it pertains
to Biden's culpability.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
How much does a pardon go forward? Because I think
what Ran Paul's clearly trying to do Buck is trap
Fauci with new false statements that he could argue the
Biden pardon doesn't cover. And so if I were giving
Fauci evident advice, I would say, take the Fifth Amendment
on everything. Buck, Here is the challenge with that.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
The video.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Now, maybe you can say the New York Times, NBC, CBS, ABC, whatever,
they're just gonna pretend this story doesn't exist and pretend
this is all a witch hunt. But the video of
Fauci taking the Fifth Amendment on everything, if it's well done,
the questioning, and it's well organized, could be pretty devastating

(06:39):
overall to his historical legacy, which this I gotta give
Rand Paul credit.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Buck.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
If I had told you that Fauci had an eleven
hundred page diary, I don't know that I could have
believed it was as damning as it is, or that
he would even be enough of a megalomaniac to have
kept it, and that somehow it would be discoverable. I
haven't heard Rand Paul talk about this in earnest, but

(07:07):
as more and more of this comes out, Fauci's historic
legacy is going to be in tatters. And I really
do believe that he'll have to take the fifth for
fear of being prospectively charged with things that he might
say tomorrow morning. A few things that have come out
from a diary, they're not surprising from the perspective of

(07:28):
people who have known along what Fauci is, what he's
all about. But to your point, Clay, that he wrote
this stuff down and that he was so sloppy, he's
so arrogant, I think that he became that's often that's
a common thing. Hubris leads to mistakes, whether it's Game
of Thrones or the United States during a pandemic. Hubris

(07:49):
leads to massive errors.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
And I would say one of the things that and
you know in Secretary of AHHS Kennedy laid it out well.
I mean, really every major shoe natural immunity. For example,
I remember trying to tell people, if you've already had COVID,
you have nothing to worry about. And the whole medical
establishment because Fauci told them to just lie to everybody
about that. Oh, but like maybe you could get a
secondary second in fact, you know, well, yeah, but that's

(08:14):
true about everything. You could also be hit by an
asteroid tomorrow, but you don't refuse to go outside because
of it. But that he knew the fatality rate was
so low in February of twenty twenty. Yeah, the fatality
rate was basically a bad flu season, Clay. Things got
so crazy that people like you and me, who are
like guys, it's like a bad flu, we got to

(08:35):
go about our lives. They started calling you a flu
bro and like you were some kind of idiot. Oh,
the flu bros. It's not you know, it's a flu. No,
it's not. Yes it is. It's a bad flu season.
This is also the law.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
The contemporaneous statements that Fauci made into his diary are
impossible to reconcile with what he was saying publicly. So
this is where he's created a lot of legal mess
for himself because I would bet and I hope, I
hope they have elite lawyers who are providing these questions

(09:10):
because Buck, some of these senators are frankly so bad.
You only get five minutes at a time, and you
know Democrats are going to try to rehabilitate Fauci and
they're going to say, oh, this is a witch hunt.
You know, you only get five minutes. Then the other
side gets five minutes, and it's challenging to really make
your case in five minutes. The questions have to be

(09:31):
crafted so perfectly, and really, I hope the Republicans on
this committee are working in concert to ensure that they
actually aren't trying to grandstand and that they're really trying
to get information and hold Fauci accountable because so many
of these politicians like to talk and they don't get
to the essence of the issues if you hit them seriously.

(09:54):
I almost wish they would just all give their time,
yield their time to ran Paul, and just let him
have the entire Republican opportunity so he doesn't get broken up.
That's what they should do, because he knows this subject
better than anybody. But that's my biggest concern is just
they're not going to be able to get him dead
to rights because they're too sloppy.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
He can fill a buster.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
The questions are poorly drafted, you're going to get protected
by Democrats. That's my biggest concern about this, because the diary,
in much of this, he is dead to rights clearly.
Ne you talked about the fatality rate, he said publicly
the fatality rate was ten x what he was saying
it was privately. If I even think his fatality rate,

(10:37):
by the way, that the one that he actually believed.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, but put that out.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Aside, point two you know, would mean ninety nine point
eight percent of people all survived. He was saying it
was two percent fatality publicly three percent fatality, And yeah,
I think the point two and point three percent fatality
actually is way higher than it ended up being because
basically everybody in America got COVID. Many people got it
multiple times. And we're going to talk with Alex Berenson

(11:03):
at one. There's even in his diary Fauci saying that
he knows the COVID shots aren't working and that he
was nervous about attending public events because he knew the
COVID shot wasn't working, and everybody showing up and saying
they had gotten the COVID shot didn't make him any
less fearful that he might get COVID. So again totally

(11:24):
different than everything that he was saying in public. That,
by the way, was November of twenty one. He was
saying that that was a huge deal.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
This is really for tens of millions of Americans. For
tens of millions of Americans, Fauciism became a religion. It
was a cult, truly. I wrote about this in my book.
I'm not just trying to pitch manufacturing delusion, although go
get a copy. It was a cult and Clay this

(11:55):
is the point where it has been exposed that the
cult leader believe nothing that he was saying to the cult. Yes, yes,
this is this is you know, give me all your money.
I'm gonna sleep with all your wives. But I don't
really think the world's gonna end tomorrow. Ps I'm fauci like.
That's what this whole thing was. The whole thing was
a scam. And those people they're gonna have a lot of,

(12:20):
you know, psychological trouble with it. They're gonna ignore it,
of course, that's why they're not covering, gonna see it
and everything else. But they should feel really humbled. They
should feel like they got swindled by a very obvious
con because they did Yeah, I mean, this is to
your point on the cult leader. This is like when
everybody took the kool aid it with Jim Jones. I

(12:41):
think if it was correct back in the day and
then you found out the cult leader left town and
didn't drink the kool aid himself. Is Fauci still wearing
a mask? For instance?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't see him out in public very much anymore.
But most of the people still wearing masks are doing
so because Fauci told them to do it. Dear leader
does not believe what they're doing is good enough for
him to do himself well.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Also, that's why I have no I have no sympathy
for his position or anything else, because he is cruel.
He couldn't help people relieve them of their anxiety disorder,
which is what wearing a mask right now in an
airport is. You have an anxiety disorder. You have a
mental health issue. You don't have a physical or like
a biological health issue, you have a mental health issue,

(13:26):
or you know what I mean, a infectious disease, a
disease issue. You have a mental health issue. He could
relieve those people of that burden just by saying, guys,
it's really okay, but he won't do it. The cult
leader won't do it, because then people might start asking
questions about other things, and they might say, why do
you wait so long? But a lot of people have
just found out that, like I said, Fauci is the

(13:47):
leader of their cult, or was the leader of their
COVID cult, and he was actually just you know, pillaging
their bank accounts, their wives and lying about the whole
thing metaphorically speaking, the whole time. Because that's always what
happens in the cults too. By the way, it always
breaks down when the guy's got ten rolls, Royce has
parked out front and you find out that he's having
five affairs or whatever at the same time. And you know,

(14:08):
whether it's a traveling ten show preacher or some guy
who's like a guru from India, it's always the same thing.
And you see the same thing with Fauci. Fauci loved
his image on TV more than anything else. He cared
more about that than any of you being able to
have a wedding, your kids, graduation, hold your parents' hands

(14:29):
while they were dying in the hospital. He cared more
about seeing Fauci on CNN and MSNBC and PBS than
any of that. And that is what I think is
so hard for people to accept now, and I think
they shouldn't accept it, and I think that a lot
of Democrats should be raked over the calls for this.
Quite honestly, I'm not ready to let this go at all.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Well.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think also the failure to cover this story again
elucid A to Echoes reverberates one of the top discussions
we have on this show regularly, which is the power
of the media is to decide what a story is.
No one covering the Fauci diary at ABC, at CNN,
at the New York Times, the fact that if you

(15:06):
read those media outlets, you wouldn't even know the Fauci
diary existed. Now maybe they can say, well, we're waiting
to see what Fauci himself says at the hearing on Wednesday.
How much they cover that buck will be a sign
of whether they're finally ashamed of the Fauci cover up
and are they willing to throw him a bit to
the wolves and try to protect themselves like we saw

(15:27):
happen with Biden when the shame got high enough after
that debate where they could no longer claim that he
was perfectly fine. They cast him aside. Could the same
thing happen with Fauci tomorrow morning. That's one element of
this story. I'm waiting to see how it plays out.

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Speaker 2 (16:55):
Welcome back in hour number two rolling through the Tuesday
edition of clay Buck. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. There has just been a tweet from Zelenski
saying he had a good meeting with President Trump. There
also has been a meeting with nat Yahoo, both in
the Oval Office. So far as I have seen, there

(17:15):
have been no questions that have been answered or asked
about both of those meetings.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
We will continue to keep you updated on that front.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
We bring in now our good buddy Alex Berenson, who
has been covering COVID for a long time. Also, we
want to talk to him about mom Donnie's new goal
to tax second homes and publishing the list of second homeowners,
whether it's accurate. Where that is all headed, But let's
start with what I think is a crazy revelation eleven

(17:48):
hundred pages, multi year diary from doctor Fauci that appears
to call into question his public statements and bring them
into conflict with many of his private statements. First, let's
start here, Alex, you covered COVID as aggressively, pretty much
as anybody on the planet. Did you have any idea
that doctor Fauci was keeping a diary like this where

(18:11):
you stunned when you saw it? And what has stood
out to you so far as you've been able to
tell of the revelation so far?

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Well, I mean, on the one hand, in my study,
he was keeping sort of a list of notes for
a memoir. No, he's an egomaniac. We all knew that,
and he you know he did right, you know of memoir?
Am I stunned that he is so stupid that he
apparently left it on a government computer. Where Ran Paul's

(18:42):
investigators got it. I mean, they haven't disclosed where they
got it, but that seems to be the most likely explanation. Yeah,
I'm kind of stunned by that, and I'm certainly stunned
by some of the stuff in it because it's so
much worse than and I'm a cynical about sacci a anybody,
but it is so much worse than I thought. The

(19:03):
level of monomania, the level of narcissism, it's it's clinical.
He repeatedly writes that he's the most important person in
the world. He writes about all these he uh, you know,
these celebrities. He had a particular you know, fascination for
sort of Hollywood actresses of a certain age or a

(19:23):
Barbara Streiss and Julia Roberts comes up in there, and
his his interactions with them. He writes that Trump is
enamored of him. It's all awful. It's just it's just
as gross as one could, you know, worse than one
could imagine. And then I would and there's so much
more to say about this, but I would just I
would just let people. People should really understand this. Okay,

(19:46):
here's what's not in there. What's not in there is
the discussion of a guy thinking hard about the epidemic,
about new evidence unfolding, whether it's about virology or demiology,
whether it's about the best mitigation measures and the right
way to handle things, there's none of that in there.

(20:08):
What there is is, you know, is a discussion of
how great he is. And that is what's so disappointing
to me. If he'd been this incredible egomaniac but also
shown real intelligence about this, it's it would feel slightly different. Instead,
it's just the worst of all worlds.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I got to say, Alex, and you and I
go back quite a ways on this. I remember I
was doing five hours of radio day in New York City.
I was talking to he was like, yeah, I don't
think these masks. Things are mask things are really going great.
It's when Tucker was doing his show at Fox at
eight pm, and yeah, there's all there was like a
little merry band of misfits that were like, this Fauci
guy is absolutely terrible. But really, the revelation here is

(20:50):
it's what you said, and we've talked to this a
little bit. It's it's clinical, actually, how how nuts he
was like this. There's something he was. He wasn't just
narcissiity in a general sense. He was a little deranged
and that comes across and that was a surprise to me. Actually,
that went beyond even what I had anticipated.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yes, he's and and he there's a there's a guy
named Richard Ebright at Rutgers, Okay, and Richard Ebright would
criticize Fauci and and and Ebright has been very aggressive
about pushing on the lambleek stuff and been correct about
most of it. And and Faw, she repeated he refers
to Ebright as an a hole. He doesn't he uses

(21:31):
the full word he he he, he is so Petti
in addition to everything else. I mean, this is Richard Ebright.
Nobody knows who Richard Ebright is. But Faws She takes time,
not once, but over and over in this too to write.
And this is supposed to be his own notes to
himself about how terrible this guy is. It's he couldn't

(21:53):
take any criticism. It is really something.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
So what happens now tomorrow is the eight thirty am
Eastern Fauci hearing in front of Rand Paul. There has
been discussion that if Fauci were to lie, and certainly
they can use what he put in his diary as
part of the impetus for questioning that he could be
charged prospectively for perjury, it would not include the Biden pardons,

(22:22):
so to speak. As a result, I expect him to
mostly take the fifth. The only reason he wouldn't is
because he's such a megalomaniac that he's concerned about the
historical record. What do you think Fauci will do tomorrow?
How will tomorrow play out?

Speaker 6 (22:38):
So that's a real I mean, I'm as good as anybody,
I think. You know, I haven't looked at the exact
language of the party, so I am not sure. And
we've talked about the pardon before. I don't think parton
is going to get revoked, Okay, So so if my
belief is that the exact language essentially immunizes him from

(23:00):
everything from twenty fourteen on, and so I don't I mean,
I think it'd be pretty hard for to make a
case right now, even no matter what he says tomorrow,
if it goes against stuff that you know happened during
the Biden administration. Right So, if they say, well, you're
contradicting something you said, then well I'm not sure that

(23:20):
the pardon wouldn't apply. But put that aside, I think
you may be right Okay. I think it's going to
be very hard for him to accept that this is
sort of the last, you know, public, big appearance that
he has. And even The New York Times today wrote
something acknowledging that this looked bad for him, and so,

(23:41):
you know, when the Times has to say that, you
know how bad it is, and so so on the
you know, I think they'll be I think he'll be
tempted to sort of get into it and say, you
know what, I'm eighty five years old. They're not going
to prosecute me. That, you know, that's just not going
to happen right now. And I don't want Ran Paul,
who I think I'm so much smarter than, to have
the last word. So I guess I'm saying I would

(24:04):
not be surprised to see Tony fauci, and I hope
he does. I hope he mixes it up because I
think rand Paul will destroy him.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Well you know something also, you know, I don't know.
I'm just gonna assume Alex, you've been listening to the
whole show today. I know you're a busy man. Guys,
go check out Alex's substack. By the way, it's fantastic.
But earlier in the show, we played HHS Secretary Kennedy saying,
and he just went through the list. Fauci lied about masks,
he lied about lockdowns, he lied about natural immunity, he

(24:34):
lied about the shots working. I mean, he lied about
the fatality raid. It seems like he really truly lied
about every major thing the whole time.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
He either lied or didn't know. I mean, one of
the things that actually came up. And this is very
very important to me, and I just tweeted it and
on August twenty fifth, because I'm still going through and
there's still you know, I'm like it's a thousands you know,
it's eleven on, like a thousand pages in at this point.
But on August twenty fifth, twenty twenty one, sound, she writes,

(25:06):
but we now have data from Israel saying showing that
the shots were not working against severe disease and hospitalization. Okay,
And he and basically the whole media establishment and the
whole public health establishment has never admitted that publicly. You know,
to this day, it's, oh, well, they didn't work against infection,

(25:28):
but they still kept you from getting sick and dying.
He knew that was not true in August twenty twenty one. Now,
why does that matter so much to me? Because two
days after that, two days after and I was saying
it as loudly as anybody in the world. I was saying,
you know, the shots are failing, not just against infection,
but they're failing its hospitalization. You can see it in
the data. The Biden administration and Pfizer got me kicked

(25:51):
off Twitter. They took away my voice because I was
saying something publicly that Anthony Fauci said privately and wouldn't
say publicly. And it is really hard for me to
forgive that.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
We had this debate last night. We were sitting around
here in the house. We got some friends over and
we were talking about the diaries. Do you think Fauci
had a private moment of realization ever, Alex, based on
what you're reading in these diaries, where he thought to himself, Oh, no,
I may have gotten all of this wrong. I mean,

(26:24):
and I'll give you a couple of example. You do
not think he's had You still think he thinks he's
the hero of the COVID story in his own mind
at this point?

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Yes, I do. I think that denial is incredibly deep.
I think he wants, you know, and you see sometimes
you see like a factor to sneak in there, like
this question about the shots failing, but you never see
him then pulling back and questioning the bigger premise right
like it always because and the same thing with the
lab leak. It's like you see, like I h that

(26:53):
maybe he realizes, you know what, this probably actually did
come out of Wuhan, but he never will let himself
pursue it. He's so defended and in such denial.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's astonished. It's astonishing to see that it's even worse
than we had anticipated with that. Can I ask you something,
what why we wanted to have I said this aloud
yesterday on the show. I know he's only he's acting
in the role. But like doctor j Baticharia, who's been
great on this for a long time, why aren't there
any position papers, policy papers whatever would have to be

(27:27):
coming out of the now Trump era CDC saying, hey guys,
we did a review of Lockdown's disastrous. We should never
do it again. Hey guys, we've looked at the whole masking,
mask on mask off policy, total zero, no point whatsoever.
We should never do it again. Why hasn't that happened?

(27:47):
Can we can that happen?

Speaker 7 (27:49):
What?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
What? What is the delay with this?

Speaker 6 (27:51):
That's that's a great question. The next time I talked
to Jay, I will I will raise that with him.
That's a great question. I don't know, because you know,
some of the vaccine stuff, as you know, like even
talking about COVID vaccines in an honest way is a
little bit politically toxic because the media then, you know,
you start talking about COVID vaccines and they're like measles.
It's like, well, no, actually those two things are totally unrelated.

(28:12):
But I get if, like they want to just kind
of calm the discussion around COVID vaccines, But the stuff
about lockdowns and school closures, I agree, Like, why isn't
there you know, an at B unit at the CDC
and epidemiology you needed the CDC doing that. I'll give
you one other potential reason, which may be that the

(28:32):
people inside the CDC are you know, so left leaning,
so deep state that they've been asked to do this
or ask them up with proposals, and they've just kind
of refused. And you know, because Jay has so many
other things to worry about. He just hasn't pushed on it.
But I agree, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
All right, let's shift gears here because you tweeted about this.
Your mom has a home in New York City front
page New York Post today for our Wor area listeners.
But everybody should know. I can't believe this happened, mom.
Donnie published a list of people that he believes are
going to have to pay a effective second home tax

(29:11):
for having homes in New York City that is not
their primary residence.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
We know it.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
United Healthcare CEO is executed in cold blood. To me,
this is incredibly dangerous for the highly wealthy because it
basically gives a location where someone who could want to
do them harm could go and stake them out. But also,
according to you, this is not even an accurate list
because your own mom, who's lived in this same house
for decades, I think you said, is on the list. Like,

(29:37):
what in the world's going on here?

Speaker 6 (29:39):
I have no idea. And it's not just sir, it's
you know, there's like people, there's a councilman I think
on Staten Island who's lived in the same out for
fifteen years. He's on the list. And look, you know
I'm not saying that. You know, my mother doesn't live
in a nice townhouse. But you know, they bought this
thirty years ago. It was it was not it was
not you know, it's gone up in value quite bit, right,

(30:00):
It was not worth then what it is now. So
they made a good investment. And you know, her her
like reward for this is getting on this list that
she doesn't belong on, getting sent a letter telling her
that she has three weeks to sort it out with
the city or she owes them fifty five thousand dollars.
And you know, like, I think we'll get it sorted out.
But she's eighty one years old. She doesn't deserve this.

(30:22):
And what's also interesting to me, so I posted about this,
and you know, you never know what's gonna go viral
on Twitter, but this thing's really gone viral. Right, it's
more than three million views so far. But there's a
lot of people out there who are like, oh, you know,
screw the old lady. Too bad for her if she
can't figure this out. It's like, who do you think
you are? Like, she didn't do anything wrong here, and

(30:44):
she made an investment and spent money and has paid
her own taxes. She's a widow now like she she hasn't.
She doesn't deserve your vitriol because she happens to have
a nice house in Manhattan, a townhouse like I mean,
who who? It's the anger on the left that comes
out in various ways is really disturbing to me sometimes

(31:05):
it is.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Indeed, Alex Barnson, everybody go check out his substack unreported truths,
Sir Baronson, It's good to be right, sir.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Let's you know, And when the New York Times actually
have to kind of admit it, that's when you know
you were right.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh yet out indeed.

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Speaker 2 (33:09):
App Welcome back in Clay and Buck. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. The Lindsay Graham Memorial service.
The funeral process is underway right now. There are many
different people from the political world also around the world
net Nyahu and Zolensky both in town, along with many

(33:32):
other global leaders. As Lindsey Graham's life is celebrated. That
is ongoing right now being covered live by the networks.
We have been discussing doctor Fauci's diary and the fact
that he is going to be called to testify at
eight thirty am Eastern tomorrow, what he might do to
eleven hundred page diary. The revelations continue. We also have

(33:55):
been discussing the fauciet, not only the Fauci diaries, but
also the mom Dony tax related issues, the fact that
New York City has a bigger budget for tax purposes
than the entire state of Florida and Buck. This is
just now starting to be discussed more. Why were so

(34:15):
many people getting these notices. We just talked about this
with Alex Barns and his mom. It's her primary residence.
Reports are that thirty one thousand plus properties are potentially
subject to the new second home tax that mom Donnie
has put in place. And Buck, I think this is
surprising a lot of people. What is it included one, two,

(34:39):
and three bedroom family homes valued at more than five
million dollars, because that's the attention mostly it has gotten.
Hey if you have a property over five million dollars,
and a lot of people have said, oh, well, that
doesn't apply to me.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'm not going to worry.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. But
also this is a wow, Well I didn't realize this.
If you have a condo or a co op unit,
you could speak to this better than Mebuck, But condos
and co ops are incredibly common in New York City.
If they're valued at a million dollars or more. It's

(35:16):
almost impossible to buy a condo at this point, or
a co op to a large extent, valued at less
than a million dollars. This is staggering if people are
finding out, Wait a minute, he's talking about taxing way
more people than they publicly discussed because that five million
dollar number was the one bandied about. I mean, speak

(35:37):
to how many people have a million dollar condo that
are not particularly wealthy.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Well, here you go the median home price. Are we
going to get that? Guy's like, your confusing the mean
and the median. This is the median. Okay, I'm not
saying the mean. The median home price is one point
four million dollars in Manhattan. Wow, so just take it.
Take that for now. Yes, it is true that there

(36:05):
are twenty thirty sixty one hundred two hundred million dollar
home not that many of them at that level, but
there are there are some that gives you a sense
of how many of these properties may be covered under
this and this is going to cause problems. By the way,

(36:25):
this is a little bit of a maybe a more
specific thing, but it is my understanding that in New
York there is something called a co op as well
as a condo. So a co op is a cooperative
where you own shares in the corporation and then are
sort of assigned your unit, if you will, based on

(36:46):
your shares in the corporation, instead of a condo where
you own the actual building, or rather own the actual
apartment within the building. The Department of Finance of the
Mayor's Office has informed co ops and there are many, many,
many co ops in New York, particularly a lot of
the extremely high end buildings in Manhattan and then parts

(37:10):
of Brooklyn like the Heights and stuff like that. They
are going to be tasked with building and collecting the
surcharge from shareholders. So the Mamdannie tax is now going
to be put on co op boards of different buildings
in New York and they have to say, hey, we
know this isn't your primary residence, so we have to

(37:31):
collect this tax from you and then send it to
the city. By the way, the co op boards don't
want to do this, don't want no part of this whatsoever.
And now I'm sure they're going because they operate almost
like a country club. They let people in or don't
let them in, and it's very whatever they decide, and
you know, they could do whatever they want, essentially legally
as long as it's legal. Clay. This is going to

(37:54):
hurt sales of those units because now they're going to say, well,
we can only sell to somebody that we can guarantee
is going to be a year round resident, or else
we have to play Piera terra cop for Mondana Mom Donni.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
This is nuts.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, this is gonna be a lot bigger story I
think than people were aware of as more of these
details come out because of the number of people that
are going to be wrapped up in this, and I
would think it's going to be a further impetus for
some people to decide, you know what, I just don't
want to deal with this at all going forward.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Okay, I tease this, Buck.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
And I did think, you know, we've had some serious
discussion with everything going on out there, and I saw
this clip and I thought, you know what, we should
play this. Joy Reid, who was one of the handful
of people who was fired by MSNBC now ms NOW
because her show was not particularly well watched, particularly intelligent,

(38:55):
or particularly well done. She said, of course she was
fired only because she's a black woman. Well, she says,
Buck that Elon Musk is not actually that intelligent, and
why in the world do people think he is.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
Listen, you've been spending a decade insisting in telling us
Elon Musk is a genius. When you hear him talk,
you realize he's actually an idiot, but you keep telling him.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeh, but he invented Tesla when he didn't he just
bought it. Did y'all know?

Speaker 7 (39:22):
The two men who actually invented Tesla. There's two other
white dudes invented Tesla. They're geniuses.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Elon just bought it and now people think, oh, he's
a genius.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
No he's not.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
They're actually inventing a competitor to the Tesla truck, which
is I guarantee you going to be superior to the
Tesla truck. The Tesla truck is, from what I understand,
the first truck Elon Musk actually designed. And it looks
like and it's very bad. It's broken, it's easy to
rip it apart. Tesla's are terrible since he's taken over.
It was a great company when it was owned by
the other guys, the guys who actually invented Tesla's.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
She is such a moron buck like, it actually makes
my head hurt. I mean, first of all, if you
want to know the story of Elon Musk, I would
encourage you go read the Walter Isaacson biography, which is
now several years behind.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
But it's pretty entertaining.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I mean, it walks you through the entire process of
Tesla being fired, of Tesla being founded, of all of
the challenges that were built into SpaceX.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
But this whole idea that we're just going.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
To attack someone who is the most successful capitalist in
the history of the world, and we're actually going to
do it and claim that he's not only less successful
than reality, that there are other people responsible for his success.
All these different things to me, Buckett continues to circle
back around to Democrats just hate success, they hate individual excellence,

(40:45):
and they don't know how to grapple with it. Because
this ties in before Graham Plattner was replaced, I believe
by Troy Jackson and Maine. Graham Platner tweeted, let's hope
that Elon Musk is the last trillionaire. And I think
that was such a perfect distillation of Democrat worldview. You
and I I think it's fair to say want there
to be a thousand more trillionaires, because if there are

(41:07):
Americans who become trillionaires, the entire country is benefiting enormously
from the wealth that's being unlocked.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
We go back to the wealth versus status paradigm here,
the country is getting richer. I know we have a
big debt, I know that things are expensive right now,
but I mean in real terms, we are because of productivity, technology, efficiency, discovery.
We are becoming wealthier all the time as a people.

(41:34):
That is true of humanity. It is true of Americans specifically,
But there are a lot of people who what is
you know, you look at Clay the data on marriages.
You know the primary source of friction in marriages. Money, Yeah,
the primary anxiety that most adult Americans have. If you
were to just look at the numbers money, How do

(41:55):
I pay for this stuff? How am I doing? How
much stress am I under? Because of this? You've basically
lived as an adult with no money. I've lived as
an adult with no money. It is stressful, that is
for sure. But neither you nor I ever took the
opinion that somebody else paying more or somebody else being
treated like their success wasn't valid with somehow going to

(42:18):
improve your life or mine. Unfortunately, Democrats. The politics for
Democrats the politics of envy, the politics of you have
too much and I feel like I should have more.
It's very powerful. There are a lot of people and
like I said, one of my favorite words is accountability
because it solves so much. You know, the second that

(42:39):
you the second that you remove accountability, anything bad can happen.
And the second you have accountability lots of great things
can happen, right People don't like to think that their
situation is the result of decisions and habits that they
have made one way or the other. If they're unhappy
with where they are, a lot of people listen to
this right now, whether they live very modest life where

(43:01):
they're you know, listening to us on the private jet.
I guess probably with Elon's you know, satellite with starlink starlink,
Thank you starlink letting him listen to a stream. But Clay,
we don't take the We don't take the point of
view that the success of other people somehow dampens our success.

(43:22):
And a lot of people don't want to be held
accountable for their own decisions. And it's incredibly powerful politics.
Get a lot of votes this way. Promise people free stuff,
tell them nothing's their fault. That's really I mean when
you say about the Graham Platnir and the trillionaire, that's
really true. Are there real problems? Yeah, housing is too expensive,
and that's a policy decision, not a market decision. That
has pushed a lot of that policy with borders, policy,

(43:45):
with raids policies, going back a long way, that's something, you.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Know, with not allowing new homes to be built affordably
in any regulations, absolute a lot of So I'm not
pretending like it's.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
A fair you know, by the way, life is not fair,
Like there's nothing that's totally fair. You try to set
reasonable rules of the road, and you create a situation
where the most people can succeed in the greatest possible way,
and success is very much you know, an individual game meeting.
You know, some people are very happy being you know,
I went to college play with uh sorry, gonna sound

(44:17):
like a huge diversion, but I went to college with
a really nice young gal who always had such a
great attitude, and she was an athlete, and she married
a guy. I think she was on the lacrosse team
and he was on the lacrosse team men's and women's.
Not like trying to switch, you know, not a men
on the women's lacrosse team. And they went off and
they taught at like boarding school together, and they had
like three kids, and I'm sure they like led the
really nice grade. They're not millionaires, yeah, you know what

(44:38):
I mean, And they're very happy people like there are
a lot of ways to be really happy, but you
see the Graham Platner and the Mom Danmi and the
you know name it. The effect. People who are unhappy
with their lives because of either their perception of how
great everything is for everybody else or their perception of
how rigged this is, the victim complex, how rigged the
game is against them. They want to be told that

(45:01):
if we just tax the mind, if we just put
them on Donnie Tax into effect, groceries aren't going to
be expensive anymore.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, and this is why the data that came out
recently that we talked about last week, the group that
is actually the most likely to vote Democrat are highly educated,
low income individuals. Because they're resentful. They went to school,
they got their advanced degree, and they look around and
they say, wait a minute, why did I go to

(45:29):
school for ten years to get this degree. It cost
me several hundred thousand dollars and I'm only making fifty
thousand dollars a year. Society must be broken because society
is not valuing me as highly as I should be
based on the educational degrees that I have.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, and therefore they lean into socialism and the guy
in their class who maybe just started an HVAC company
and now has four different locations and is clearing a
few million dollars a year and is voting Trump.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
They hate that guy, Yes, they hate that guy. Probably
not the guy in their class. Maybe the guy in
their high school who differently mean want to get the
high school high school class like didn't go on to
get the advanced degree.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
He started working. He's killing it and.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
UH, and they're looking around saying, why can't I afford
the things that I want?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Society's broken because is what I think a bigger thing is.
You know, we talk about we talk about the gender
studies majors and all this stuff, but we we When
you and I were in college, college branding really was
sold to us as this is your ticket to everything
amazing and successful and great in life. And that mirage

(46:41):
has really evaporated. I think that's true, and that's been
a huge thing you've had. The credentialed class has. Yeah, obviously,
if you go to Harvard Law, if you go to UH,
you know, if you go to Wharton, although nbas are
really getting rough these days, but you know, if you
go to some of these extreme elite places, of course,

(47:01):
there's recruiting. It opens doors. But having having on that,
let me ask you you have a master's. I was
offered a master's degree to go to Georgetown Clay while
I was still a government employee, with the idea that
it was like a vacation for me, like the government
was going to pay for it, and I was going
to get to hang out and like, you know, read
books for two years. Are you impressed? Whenever you just
hear someone has a master's I mean, no, I'm not no, I.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Mean look, I mean ultimately, it reminds me of the
great story I heard I did. Some of you will
remember the legendary h He's a great guy. He's passed recently.
Frank Wychek. He was a really talented tight end for
the Tennessee Titans. And one of his favorite things to
say whenever people would post really impressive athletic achievements at

(47:44):
the combine was sure, but can they use it?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Meaning you could be super.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Strong, but can you use that strength to propel yourself
to have success in in football? The strongest guys don't
have the most success.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Can you use it? That's the number one.

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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We'll get
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(50:41):
to your credit, the the political implications, the broader political
implications of this Democratic Party Senate primary in Michigan. Just
to set the table for a second here and then
Clay is gonna take us on a wild ride through
his analysis. You have Abdul saied he's the real left

(51:05):
wing candidate here. Uh. He is centering his whole thing
on Medicare for all, housing affordability unions. Of course, Michigan.
That makes sense, and it is very critical of Israel.
Not a big surprise that a candidate Abdul, I'll say
ed would have some issues with Israel. And I'm just saying,

(51:30):
I think, yeah, right, yeah, that's very I'm just gonna
I think we're just saying it out loud. And then
Haley Stevens, Oh gosh, don't you know, she's a more
center left ish. She's a rep from the Oakland County
area of Michigan, and she's more of like the old

(51:51):
school Democrat on manufacturing auto industry chips. She's about you know,
commerce and unions and that kind of stuff protecting social security, medicare, Clay,
what do you make of this? Yeah, So I think
this is maybe the most important Senate race right now
that's going to exist anywhere in the country, and we're

(52:13):
going to get a really good read on whether the
crazy Democrat socialism of Mamdani, which won three congressional seats
in New York and an additional one in Colorado, is
also going to work in a purple state like Michigan.
So last night there was a Democrat Senate primary debate
between Hailey Stevens and Abdul El Sayed. Now, as we

(52:37):
are speaking to you, this is a two person race.
It's going to be decided on Tuesday, one week from today,
and right now the markets are telling us that Abdul
el Sayed is most likely to win. And I will
give you those markets here as I am speaking.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Abdul al Sayed rule else Ied seventy five percent chance
he wins. Hailey Stevens twenty nine percent chance she wins.
So she's the underdog right now. But I want to
let you guys listen, and then I want to share
some polling that came out earlier today that suggests why
this could be so important. First of all, I think
we have a couple of cuts, just to give you

(53:19):
an idea of how much difference there is just in
tone between these two.

Speaker 8 (53:24):
Listen, I'm just saying that I do the thing that
I say I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I don't think ICE needs to exist. For the better part.

Speaker 8 (53:30):
Of our country's history, we did not have an ICE,
and I think we can do a much better job
when it comes to immigration without one. And here's the
last thing I just want to say about this. When
it comes to the question of immigration, we need democrats
who are going to stand up and actually talk about
the great good that immigration has done for our country
in the first place. The idea that somehow we can
say abolishized because we're so afraid of what they're going
to say when we've seen ice terrorize people in our streets,

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to me is exactly the kind of cowardice that we
don't need from democrats. So yeah, I'm going to take
the bullhorn, and I'm going to say that I think
we need too, because I'm not afraid of what they're
going to say about me.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Okay, Buck, I think in Michigan, a candidate saying I'm
on the abolish Ice train is going to be a
hard sell now. Also, Abdul Lsed is feuding this That
won't surprise anyone out there with John Fetterman, because Fetterman
is too supportive of Israel's right to defend itself and

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frankly exist. Here is him calling John Fetterman an ogre
cut twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
This is last night's debate.

Speaker 9 (54:30):
Earlier this week, we heard that there was some kind
of a zoom call in which you would reference to
an opponent as ogre on a pike, and so many
people took offense to that, and it really pointed to
the bigger question about the tone and tenor that you've
been accused of having in this campaign. Do you regret
any of the comments that you've made and do you
think that this race could take a more productive and
more substantive tone if we kept those personal slams out look.

Speaker 8 (54:53):
I took to Twitter last week and said that the
tone in which people talk about my opponent is unkind
and I asked anybody who supported me, I'll talk about
her that way.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
In fact, when she got booed.

Speaker 8 (55:01):
On the stage at the Michigan Democratic Party convention, I
called her personally and said that was unkind. My supporters
had nothing to do with it. But I don't think
that that's the way we want to do politics. I
was referring to a guy named John Fetterman, who's a
senator from Pennsylvania who has done terrible things. God E
left it on a set of values and is now
completely throwing those values in the mud.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Okay, Buck, So abdul Elsad favored to run and win
Tuesday if he will.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I was gonna say he's he's way just real quick, Clay,
I just pulled a poll. He's way ahead in the
polls compared to Stevens.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
It is in their early voting has already started in
Michigan all of these things. Mike Rogers in a poll
that came out I believe early this morning or late
last night, Mike Rogers was up ten points on him.
This is a Democrat Senate seat. If Mike Rogers wins
in Michigan, there is no math really under which Democrats

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could take back control of the Senate.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
So this is honestly.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Maybe the most important seat because if Republicans could flip
an existing Democrat held seat, the incumbent is not running
then the Senate's going to be in control of Republican hands.
And I think abdul Lsied is going to win. And
we've got a lot of listeners in the state of Michigan.
My wife is from there, Hailey Stevens is from Oakland County.

(56:23):
I think you mentioned that Buck That's where I got married.
That's where my wife went to high schools just north
of Michigan, just north of Detroit in southeastern Michigan. This
is going to be a big deal, and I don't
know that people are paying enough attention to it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Tuesday is the election.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
On Wednesday, we're going to come on and potentially Michigan
is going to be completely and utterly in place. It's
gonna be close no matter what. Because Mike Rodgers lost
by fifteen thousand votes in twenty twenty four, the closest
Senate race out there I.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Believe ended up being.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
This is going to be one that is going to
move right to the top of the target list, and
I think ab dual Lsied, this far left winger, is
going to end up being the nominee. It's worth paying
attention to. It's going to be an important message being sent.
Same thing by the way buck is happening in Wisconsin,
where they are Democrats are about to nominate a crazy

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left wing woman who called to abolish police, who wants
to abolish ice. These are toss up purple states. I
think Democrats potentially are overreaching and putting people in who
are not electable in some of these states.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
But while trend lines may be somewhat favorable to them
as the party out of power for the mid terms,
they're making some pretty radical choices.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Well, this would all be great for Republicans, though, assuming
that the numbers that are coming out about the polling
are accurate, and assuming that these extremely hard left candidates
aren't able to pull off winning the Senate seat. I
never assume any of these things. But there's some pretty
good indicators right now that it could be going in

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that direction. So I think that that goes in the
positive commn So Clay, you're basically right now. You're a
big Abdul i'lsay Ed fan. You're like go el say ed.
Look y'all.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
They have an open primary in Michigan. I think John
James is going to be the nominee for governor. We
need to get him on again soon. He's a great candidate.
Mike Rodgers is definitely going to be the nominee for
the Senate. The best thing that could happen for National Republicans,
in my opinion, is Abdul Lsayed wins on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So if I could.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Pick a primary winner for the Democrat Party, he would
be my number one draft pick because I think it's
going to be very hard to get him elected in Michigan,
so we can admit that happens.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Speaking of Michigan, Trump was there last night and he
said something I thought was interesting, Clay going into the
mid terms, I recall in twenty eighteen, the issue that
was singled out as the prime Now, of course there
was the effort, the unsuccessful effort to fully repeal Obamacare
didn't happen. They kind of did what they call a
skinny repeal, and they got rid of the tax on

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the so they did some They trim the hedges a bit,
but they didn't rip it out root and branch, Trump
said last night. And then healthcare was a big thing
in the midterms in twenty eighteen and did not go
well for Republicans. Trump talked last night about a great
healthcare plan and he said, in fact, that is the

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name plate fifteen.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
We will pass the Great Healthcare Plan. That's what it's called,
a Great Healthcare Plan to stop all payments to big
insurance companies and give the money directly to you, the people,
so that they can buy their own healthcare, which will
be much less expensive and be a much better healthcare.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Have we heard about this before? Are we up on this?
This is? It seems like kind of a big deal,
the Great Healthcare Plan. Okay, it's almost August. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I think to a large extent, Trump is talking about
the trump Rx prescription plans that he has put in place,
which allow people to find a lot cheaper products if
you go on there, including for some people the GLP ones.
There's an expansion and affordability that has occurred on a
variety of different drugs. I would just tell people to

(01:00:28):
go to trump Rx. I think it's trump rx dot
com something like that that lets people know what the
overall impact can be when it comes to costs for drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Well, I just wanted to note that there are some
core elements that the White House has shared from their
fact sheet on this, and Clay got right in two
point one, which is lowering drug prices. So and that's
expanding access to verified safe prescription drugs, et cetera. And
also then on the trade deal aspect of this most

(01:00:59):
favor Nation deal, so Americans pay what other developed countries pay,
lowering insurance premiums that's what Trump seemed to be talking
about there as well. Uh, and then holding insurers accountable
and transparency. I would just note this isn't a This
isn't a bill or a ready to It's more of
a framework for discussion or maybe maybe a set of

(01:01:23):
core principles that the administration is pursuing on healthcare. I
think that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I mean, look, there's an overall goal that if you
want me to be super positive about this, which I
tried to do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Uh, we've talked about this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I do think that GLP ones can drive down the
overall cost of healthcare. It is also the case that
when other countries are paying a fraction for the exact
same drug. Remember there used to be a lot more
discussion about this. People would go to Mexico or they'd
go to Canada and drive across the border and you
buy just off the off the rack, whatever prices are

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there same exact drugs as we pay in infinitely more for.
I think they're trying to fix what feels too many
like a broken system when it comes to prescription drugs.
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