Bonus: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 30 2026

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss COVID-19 accountability, government decision-making, and the long-term historical assessment of public health leadership. Clay and Buck examined the extent of Fauci’s influence over national pandemic policy, arguing that state shutdowns, masking policies, and other mitigation measures reflected his recommendations. They contrasted Fauci’s approach with governors who resisted prolonged lockdowns, particularly Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, while also discussing how red-state leadership during the pandemic may be viewed by future historians. Senator Rand Paul’s years-long effort to investigate Fauci and challenge COVID-era narratives was also highlighted as a significant part of the conversation.

An extended interview with U.S. Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri. The interview began with discussion of the Sophie Cunningham controversy and broader questions surrounding women’s sports and public reaction to gender-related debates. Senator Schmidt criticized the treatment of young fans attending sporting events and suggested sports organizations should focus on growing and supporting their audiences rather than alienating them.

The conversation then shifted to college sports and NIL reform, with Schmidt providing an update on ongoing negotiations surrounding proposed federal legislation affecting college athletics. Topics included Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) rules, transfer portal concerns, athlete eligibility, conference governance, revenue sharing, media rights, and efforts to bring greater stability to college football and college sports overall. Schmidt described conversations with leaders from the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, and Big 12 and discussed ongoing efforts to build consensus around a national framework for collegiate athletics.

Clay and Buck continued discussing the controversy surrounding women’s sports and biological males competing in women’s athletics, revisiting arguments from earlier in the program. The hosts humorously speculated about a hypothetical basketball game featuring conservative media personalities competing against WNBA players and debated which well-known political and media figures would make up their roster. While presented largely as entertainment, the conversation tied back into their broader discussion about athletic competition, competitive fairness, and the ongoing national debate over gender and sports. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Thursday edition of the Clay Travis
en Buck Sexton Show. Good to be back with all
of you. That I will say, good to be back
with you. I miss you all, and I did get
to enjoy listening in as Clay enjoyed the Faucha thon
that occurred yesterday. I would I, on the instruction of Council,

(00:22):
I am evoking my Fifth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
You will notice I am not wearing a mask as
I do this very sad exclamation point. So Fauci yesterday
steward for all to see, because Clay, you know there's
there's invoking the Fifth as I know you were discussing yesterday,
when everyone can understand why you would do it. Well,
you already have a pardon for everything in the past.

(00:47):
Why can't you just speak honestly about your these things?
And it's because all of Fauci's past history now exposed
via these missives that he wrote himself, these love letters
that he wrote on a government server, which can I

(01:07):
also just say, Clay, so dumb. Yes, that is the
other part of this that I know you were hitting
on yesterday. A lot of all things Fauci, the fact
that he thought, I'm just going to write about how
handsome I am and how much Julia Roberts just had
a twinkle in her eye when I was telling her

(01:27):
about mitigation measures. This guy truly delusional. And now I
have to say the mockery that any person can see
as a result of all this, this is what is needed.
Because they were gonna hold out on all of this
and say, oh, but the science is still with Fauci,

(01:49):
you know, Clay, the defense in recent years had been
it was a fog of war situation. It was there's
no fog of war when you're writing about how you're
the most famous person in the world, while you're telling
everybody if they hug Grandma, you're gonna kill her. You
know what I mean, there's no fog of war defense
there the whole process.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I do think we've talked a lot about how history
is going to handle COVID. I think Fauci on some
level is starting to realize, oh wait, I'm gonna be
the bad guy of this story. You know, like you
always have that question, do the villains of history totally

(02:31):
understand that they'll be the villains of history because one
of the great you know, sort of cliches of history
is that the winners write history, so we don't really know.
I mean, there's probably a lot of good guys that
end up losing. Bad guys write them their cast differently.
I mean Shakespeare is a great example of this in
the way that his history plays defined what we think

(02:52):
oftentimes about English kings, Scottish kings, all these different things.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
But really, when you look at.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
This, I think I felt like there was a little
bit of a realization behind Fauci's stony, indignant, constant recitation
one hundred and eleven times of his fifth Amendment. I
felt like buck part of him was starting to recognize, oh,
wait a minute, I'm going to be the bad guy.
And he's eighty five years old, and let's say he

(03:21):
lives fifteen more years. You and I, hopefully and many
of our listeners are going to live long enough for
the history of COVID to start to be written. And
I think the idea that Anthony Fauci's diary indicated was
that he believed he was going to be the hero.
I think he's starting to recognize, wait, I'm going to

(03:41):
be the villain, and this is not going to be
some story of incredible success that I was the father of. Instead,
I'm going to be the guy who got paddle borders
arrested on the ocean that people can't believe is real
in the decades to come.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Isn't it. In Batman, the Dark Knight Rise is when
he says, die a hero, or live long enough to
see yourself the villain. Yeah, Fauci is seeing himself the villain.
And I really think that the only way that this
could have broken through as it did yesterday in that
hearing was the fact that you cannot explain. They can

(04:19):
argue the science all day, They can argue whose decision
everything was and everything else. You know, Clay, if you're
the four star general during a war and you know
you're like having an affair with a subordinate and all,
and you're writing things about how you know you want
to be on CNN and it's a parent that you're

(04:41):
not showing up for like funerals of your soldiers, there's
no excuse for that. I understand this is different. It's
not military, but there is a similar sense of you
were the captain of the ship here, the four star
general in this metaphor, and you were really more concerned
at the peak, at the worst of COVID, you were

(05:01):
obsessed with how much attention you were getting, and you
wrote it down and there's no debate about it. So
Fauci as a megalomaniac is no longer a point of argument,
and that takes it even further than just he got
some stuff wrong, because you know what they were saying
the whole time was he did his best. Yes, he

(05:22):
did his best based on and we knew that was
a lie. You knew what I knew it. We've been
talking about this for years, but this actually was the
achilles heel for him. Oh No, he really was obsessed
with himself, and no one can argue that anymore one
hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I also think the other thing that the diary reflects
Buck is he can't claim he wasn't the decider. All
of life comes down to you have experienced it, no
matter what you do. Buck, you had to talk about
what the rules are of a condo board. Anybody out
there that's tried to get something built and you've had

(05:57):
to go through that that process. The question of who's
the decider is ultimately the thing that matters most. Right,
there's lots of any big company has one hundred and
sixty eight vice presidents of something that really can't do much,
and ultimately it lands on the CEO's desk. Remember Harry
Truman had the great memorable the buck stops here and

(06:20):
on the other side, I think it said, I'm from
Missouri or something like that. The president is the ultimate
decider in this situation. I think with Fauci's diary, what
you see is he was actually the ultimate decider. And
all the people out there that are concerned about democracy
and everything else, so many people that are elected decided

(06:43):
that a random employee inside of our government who was
taxpayer funded would decide multi trillion dollar outcomes when it
came to state level elections and sorry to decisions, Fauci
was the decider. He bragged about New York and California

(07:04):
shutting down because of his private conversations. Here's another thing,
if you want a positive, Buck, Fauci did allow Ron
DeSantis to become the most successful governor of the COVID era.
And I sent out a tweet about this and I
kind of talk we had him on yesterday. But Buck,
you are a great example of this. I'm in Florida

(07:24):
right now doing the show. Think about what would have
happened in twenty eighteen if Andrew Gillim gay prostitute, sleeping
with drug addicted felon. I believe he's a felon. If
he's not, he's been charged with felon, he's to my understanding,
Andrew Gillam had been elected in twenty eighteen, buck he

(07:44):
would have shut down Florida just like New York and California.
And you can say, well, Georgia and Brian Kemp and
maybe Tennessee and Bill Lee and Greg Abbot in Texas,
maybe they would have stood maybe or maybe without DeSantis
taking the slings and arrows of shutting, refusing to shut
down a big populated state, maybe maybe Fauci would have

(08:06):
been even more successful. And so ultimately Florida reaped the benefits.
And I think DeSantis's tenure in office will redown throughout
the COVID era as the way that we should have
responded to COVID and Fauci is going to be the
great villain. So in many ways, DeSantis, and also on

(08:26):
a smaller level, people like you and me who found
a big audience by just being sane in a time
when everybody else lost their minds. Fauci is going to
be the great villain of COVID. I think increasingly you
can see the Ron DeSantis is of the world, the
Brian Kemps, the Bill LEAs, the Greg Abbotts, to a
certain extent, red state governors who said no, they're going

(08:47):
to continue, and I mean populated red state governors because
a lot of red state governors in Western states, they
don't have the same huge collection of population in terms
of everybody being in a dense area like bigger states would.
I think you can start to see the first draft
of history and the impact that all of this is
going to have, and Fauci is not going to come

(09:10):
off well.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
It took a long time, but we did. We did
get some Fauci accountability, at least on the public record.
And I really appreciate that Ran Paul stayed on this
as long as he did and refused to let this
go because, yeah, we could find the data. We can
find all these different things, finding out about what a

(09:32):
megalomaniac and what a narcissistic fool during a time of
extreme suffering for the country Fauci was that that is,
it's unforgivable and it's also not something that can be dismissed.
They can dismiss all the they can dismiss. Oh, no,
one knew it was hard. We tried, we tried, no, no, no.

(09:54):
And I'm not even getting into the fact that he
knew that it wasn't as deadly. And I mean, there's
a whole bunch of things. But yeah, that that also
came out from this. So he lied about everything. They're
not going to accept that he lied about everything. They're
going to say, oh, it was tough. He's making judgment calls.
The fact that he is gushing about the celebrities. Who
why does he have time to talk to celebrities when
he's the most important. One of the things you'd like

(10:15):
to think that this guy is, you know, in the
office until two o'clock in the morning, calling every every
major hospital system and getting the latest data. He's doing
celebrity zooms. And also, why is it the celebrities have
access to the top doctor. There's all these things you
can talk about this, so I thought it was I
thought it was great that this information came out. I
would just point out we invited doctor Fauci on the

(10:36):
program for years. He never had time for us. But
somehow he could always manage to take the phone call
from Bette Midler or Julia Roberts. Here's something that I
would ask star this, write it down, use it if
you still are hearing people in your life defend Fauci
Buck Here's to me, this really kind of sums it up.
Joe Biden gave him a ten year pardon, a ten

(10:58):
year pardon from base twenty fourteen, all the way through
what January of twenty five, right when Biden left office
ten plus years. Everything that Fauci did is protected, even
though we know that he committed I think a lot
of crimes during that time, lied about him all those things. Okay,
he had a ten year pardon, and he still needed

(11:20):
to invoke the Fifth Amendment one hundred and eleven times
while testifying in front of Congress. Just a simple question
for everybody out there, has anyone ever heard of someone
who is completely innocent of all crimes that needs a
ten year pardon and then, as if that were not enough,
also needs to invoke his Fifth Amendment rights one hundred

(11:43):
and eleven times. The ten year pardon by itself was
not enough. This guy is guilty of sin Fauci, by
the way, may according to Senator Ran Paul, not entirely
be protected from accountability. This is cut one.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Listen, We'll vote to hold him in contemptual that is
a felony, and he can be prosecuted.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
We can't prosecute him, but we refer him to the
Department of Justice.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
So there is a question, can you plead the Fifth
Amendment when you've been pardoned, if you've already been granted immunity.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
How can you be seeking immunity from.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Self incrimination if you've already been granted immunity. So at
the very end, I ask him the very specific question
within the parameters of your pardon. This is a question
within the parameters of your pardon, did you destroy records?
And who refused to answer that? So a court will
have to decide. The Department of Justice has to be
convinced to take the case, and then the court will
have to decide does his Fifth Amendment privilege apply when

(12:37):
he has a pardon. This has been debated across the internet,
across the country, and we're going to find out an answer.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
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Speaker 3 (13:18):
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Speaker 3 (15:00):
We are joined by Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt. We got
a lot we can get into you with Senator Schmidt,
but I know you're a big sports fan.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I don't know how much attention you have paid.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Buck and I were just talking about Sophie Cunningham coming
out and saying men shouldn't be in women's sports. I
know she plays in Indiana, but she was and is
I think one of the best women's basketball players ever
from the state of Missouri. So I know a lot
of your constituents are big fans of hers. Did you
see that a w NBA owner, you know, minority owner,

(15:33):
but not the head owner, but one of the owners
sitting courtside ripped two teenage girls, cursed them out for
showing up and supporting Sophie Cunningham's stance on men and
women's sports. What's your reaction to that.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's very bizarre.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Yeah, and Sophie Cunningham the pride of a zoo, right,
she's the all time leading scorer in women's basketball there.
But and it's reached new levels of fame recently. But
I don't understand it. You think a sports league would
want to be growing their audience and they have a
very marketable person in Sophie Cunningham, and they just can't
get out of their own way on stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Like this. I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
The WNBA, you know, it just it feels like a
league that could have a bigger audience if they just got.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Out of their own way.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
And when you have a co owner of a team,
I mean, this isn't just some like, you know, drunk
person at the game. I mean, this is the co
owner of the team felt so compelled to yell at
these young girls who should up to the game.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's just very strange.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's absolutely bonkers. Okay, we got a bunch of stuff
we can get into with you. I know there is
an ongoing negotiation surrounding the College Sports Act. You have
co sponsored this along with Senator Ted Cruz and Senator
Can't Well, you've been going back and forth with the
SEC and the Big Ten. What's the absolute latest on

(16:54):
this bill? Have you gotten a response from the SEC
and the Big Ten yet?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Is this going to be able to get on the floor?
What can you tell us?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, I mean we're very timely right now.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
The Big Ten is meeting right now or soon we'll
be meeting about this. The SEC, they have a call
with their presidence. Later on this afternoon, I was on
the phone with Tony Petiti the Commission of the Big
Ten late last night and with Greg Sankee this morning.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, we want we want to have their support.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
I mean, we've worked really hard, I think, to build
a coalition, not just with those two conferences, but with
the you know, the Big twelve and the ACC and
these conferences, but beyond that too. There's a lot in
here for the student athletes, and a lot has gone
into this thing to try to address all the major.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Issues, Clay, that you and I have talked about before.
You've got this.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
You know, you got these eligibile ability issues, You've got
the governance issue, You've got the one time transfer. All
those sorts of things need to get taken care of.
The ability to pool media rights if they want to,
making sure that's purely voluntary and never forced. That was
a big part of what these negotiations have been about.
So I would say today is a very important day
because in order for us to do this, next week,
which a very important week. Theoretically it could be one

(18:02):
of the last weeks we're up here. I don't know.
I mean, we could stay into August. I support that,
but next week's a very important week. And if that's
the case, we got to get it kind of teed
up today, and so these meetings are really important and
why these conversations have been very timely and intense.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Okay, I'll follow up on that. I don't want to
get you into Petit or Sankee private conversations, but in general,
are you optimistic that you're going to be able to
get their sign on at this point?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I know you still got to wait on the meetings.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Uh, but how would you assess your optimism level to
uh right now at this exact moment.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Uh, this is very much like real time. I've been
hopeful all along.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
I think that this is Look, there are things in
this with something that this is this complex and you know,
literally impacts you know, five hundred thousand student athletes and
all these institutions that people love and root for, and
all these kind of issues at play. This bill is
an effort to try to reach a compromise of all

(19:06):
the various and competing positions on it. So it's not perfect,
Like there's things in here that I wish were a
little bit different. And I'm sure that the conferences, the
smaller conferences, the bigger conference is the same thing. But
I do think this it's at a place right now
where we need to move because it's not going to
get any better and another year or two of this
madness we see right now, it's just not sustainable. Even

(19:28):
the schools that are choosing to compete and have rosters
that are fifty five or sixty million for football alone,
which even though there's a cap of twenty and a
half million, they will freely admit.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
To you that this is not a good situation.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
The constant movement's not good for graduation rates if you're
transferring four or five times. So I think we need
to provide some stability, and I think this bill as
it stands out right now is the best effort to
do it. So I am hopeful, but we're going to
find out real soon in the next few hours.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Cenator Schmid, appreciate you being with us. I wanted to
move our ta if I could do another aspect of
the Senate, and that has to do with the Judiciary
Committee postponing this postponing a scheduled vote to advance Todd
Blanche's nomination. So we know there are a couple of
Republican Senators Cornyn and Tom Tillis who are let's just say,

(20:18):
if he at this stage of the game, what do
you think is going to happen here? And what are
those two guys thinking.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Well, they're both on the Judiciary Committee, so am I
and you know they've raised each one of them kind
of a separate issue. I think Senator Tillis wants Todd
Blanche to meet with some of the victims I've seen victims.
I think that was his sort of his ask, and
I think that's gone relatively well. I have not spoken

(20:48):
directly with Tom about that, but I feel like that's
moving along.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Center.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Cornyn has an issue with this some of the legal
matters that had been before the Department of Justice related
to President Trump, and so you know, I'm hopeful that
they can work that out to the extent that it
can be worked out. I think Todd is eminently qualified.
Todd Blanche is eminently qualified. He's done a very good
job I think of refocusing the Department from the Biden

(21:14):
years to taking on violent crime. And you look at
this anti fraud effort that they have across the country
Minneapolis and California, those are really important things for the
Department of Justice to be focused on and have an
attorney General.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Who's serious. So he's the acting age.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
I mean, no matter what happens, he's going to remain
the attorney general, the acting attorney General. I just think
it would be an important thing for us to do
to move them forward and have him confirmed in front
of the full Senate.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
So I know, sorry, go ahead, no, I was just
going to say, building on that question with Buck, President
Trump said, Hey, if these guys won't get on board,
we'll just wait. You probably know this. I don't know
the answer off the top of my head. Let's say
that the nomination doesn't get confirmed and we wait for
the election, and then god forbid. Up in a situation

(22:01):
where Democrats take back control of the Senate, getting anyone
confirmed then, as you know, becomes very very difficult. How
long could Todd blanche serve as acting attorney General?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Is there a limit on that? How would that play out?

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Well, according to recent precedent, I'm gonna I'm gonna blank
on the cabinet member that Biden had that served out
as acting throughout the term. I mean, he can basically
be the acting Attorney general I think for almost all
of the remaining Trump term.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
But I think you know, it's always.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Better to have, you know, a position like that confirmed
by the United States Senate. I think that's an important
thing for us to do because we're in that personnel
business and he's eminently qualified. No one disputes that. I think,
you know, a couple of these issues it's centers are addressing.
There kind of one offs from that and not related
to as qualifications. And my hope is that they can
figure all that out and we can move forward on
Todd Blanche next week. As I mentioned, next week's a

(22:53):
very important week because September, guys, is going to be
I think it's going to be very messy. The Democrat
want to shut the government down, that is on September thirtieth.
I think they view it as a political effort for
them to shut it down.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
And is this going to be for open border Center.
They're going to want, you know, no more eyes yet. Yeah, Oh,
it'll be. I mean, I'm guessing it.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
May be the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
It may be the whole thing, it may be all
of government, it may be TSA again, it may you know,
I don't know what it's going to be, but I
think it's going to be something.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I just that's just sort of how I see it.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
Some people are more optimistic, but I've seen what the
Democrats the game plan is. They're obstructionists and they want
chaos and they think chaos helps them, And I hope
the American people view it differently. But we got to
do everything we can to make sure that doesn't happen
by September thirtieth.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I know, if you're not from New York City, maybe
Missouri doesn't think of itself as like right next door
to Michigan, but I do because I'm from New York.
What do you think about the mission? What do you
think about the Missigan? You're a flyover?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
What do you I mean? You guys are close enough, right,
you probably have college teams that travel to play each.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Other hundreds of miles hundreds of miles away.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
But yes, that is a perfect that's a perfect lead
in for a New York City guy.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Ready, at least I'm self aware. At least I'm self
aware about it. So, Michigan Senate race super important, Main
Senate race super important? Can you just weigh in on
how you feel about Republicans holding the majority and what
do you think the key issues are going to be
in some of those places.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
I see now why you did. There's some symmetry. There
are all states that start with M.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
So I feel pretty good about the Senate, the map,
Susan Collins. I mean, they had the Graham Platner experiment
that totally you know, was as disastrous him in a
porta potty, I suppose, so that's gone. I think she's
much better positioned now than where things were a month
and a half or so ago. I mean, if they
elect this the guy who or the LSI ed guys

(24:51):
in the lead in Michigan, that is very much in
play where a year ago, I don't think a lot
of people would have thought we were gonna have a
chance be competitive and maybe win. So I do think
that is probably by way of contrast for us, these
radical sort of DSA members is good for us electorally.
I think it's terrible for the country that the Democrats

(25:12):
are actually electing these people to be their nominees in
a general election, you know, because eventually these people are
gonna they're gonna start winning general elections and it won't
be limited to you know, New York where you're from,
right where the craziness and the hammer and sickle wave
we saw a month ago. So I do think it
improves our chances if that person's the nominee, but I
don't think it's good for the country. I think we
win Maine. New Hampshire's in play for us, which is good.

(25:35):
North Carolina is going to be tough, and Michigan could
be in play as well.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Ohio. I think we're gonna be fine in Ohio.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Shared Brown is kind of a retread career politician, and
John houstaid should be okay there.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I know that you Uh, as Attorney General of Missouri,
helped to hold Fauci and the Biden administration more accountable
than almost any attorney general did in the country. I'm
curious what you thought of Fauci taking Fifth Amendment one
hundred and eleven times during that hearing yesterday, how you
would assess any legality of pursuing Fauci might look going

(26:10):
forward in the wake of that, and just as a
general context, I know it's been six years, Buck and
I are still furious. Almost everybody out there listening to
us right now is still furious over what left wingers
Fauci led did to us during that time.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
How would you assess.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Where we are right now, what your thoughts were on
that hearing, and where we might go going forward.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
I'm with you, guys. I think for me, when I
was Attorney General in that time, it was a It
opened up my eyes to what the left was capable
of if they had a little bit of power, or
just an excuse like that bulldozing sand, you know, into
these skate parks, police tape around playgrounds, forcing the masking
of five year olds in school.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
It's why we sued the school districts.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
It's why we sued the Bide administration over the shot
and all those sorts of things. I think we should
never forget what that looked like and what that actually was.
And Fauci was the crown prince of all that, with
his candles and his bobble heads, right. I think it's
it reminded me. I took his deposition in the Missouri
versus Biden lawsuit. He sat across the table as smug
as could be, kind of like he was yesterday. He

(27:17):
had a little he had less to say yesterday because
he was taking the Fifth Amendment. But I think in
our deposition of him, he said, I don't recall like
one hundred and seventy times as well.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
So this guy who proclaimed to be.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
The science and this all knowing, you know, expert, suddenly
doesn't have a whole lot to say now because I
think he knows he's been exposed to some legal jeopardy.
Regardless of the autopen pardon, there could be state issues
out there we're going to see. But this guy needs
to be held accountable. This is what abuse looks like.
This is what the other ing of our minute or
you know, fellow countrymen was alike. In that era, you

(27:50):
couldn't question anything. The government was coming after you to
censor you with big tech giants. This was Orwellian and
it happened, and we can't memory hold it. I'm with you,
like a normal person is still pissed about this thing.
It should be and Faucu was the face of it.
So I hope there's there's some accountability. We did our
best in my time as AG. Hopefully some other ags
or other people can can take up the charge here

(28:11):
because it was just insulting to see him sit there
yesterday and take the fifth on everything.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Senator Schmidt, great stuff, sir, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
All right, guys, take care.

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Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
and we are joined by our friend Ryan Gardowsky, host
of the podcast It's a Numbers Game, which is a
fantastic podcast.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Highly recommend you won't check it out on the cl
podcast network. Mister Gradosky, so many things to talk to
you about. Let's start with mass Let's start with mass immigration.
Have you seen this situation in the footage going viral?
I know we don't talk about Spain very much, but
uh is it pronounce sayuta? I don't know you can

(30:19):
know how to pronounce it in Morocco, where you have
the African migrants just completely overwhelming. There's this little Spanish
enclave and they're just they're just like running through the
fence basically to get onto what is technically Spanish territory.
After the Spanish Prime minister, I think, signed an amnesty

(30:40):
for a million people that are in the country illegally.
So things are have you seen this? Things are getting
crazy over there.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
Yeah, it was as Pedro Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez. Originally
he sets me for five hundred thousand and then it
was a million. Now it's estimated to be three million,
which Spain is not a large country. Three million is
about eight percent of the population, so it is a
tremendous amnesty. And bigger problem is that it's part of
Spain is part of the Shanngen Agreement, which means that
if you are a resident of Spain and legally there,

(31:08):
you can go to any other country in the EU
without a passport. So we're talking that possibly of millions
of people going not only to Italy, but end up
in Germany and Ireland and Sweden, quite like it happened
back in twenty fifteen. So not only is this causing
backlash in his own country, but Georgia Maloney and other
prime ministers around Europe are pushing back against his amnesty plan.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Ryan, Yeah, that clip is what will happen if Democrats
in back up in power again. It looks like when
Bill Malugin was down at Eagle Pass, Texas and we
saw tens of thousands of people what I would point out, Ryan,
I'm sure you saw it too. I think I saw
Matt Sorter among others, posting about this. Everybody coming in

(31:49):
is young and male. People like say, oh, this is
about trying to take care of families. There's no women,
there's no children storming across the border there right now.
It's all military age males. And I do think that's
worth reiterating again and again. Overwhelmingly, we are not seeing
families come. We're seeing young men come.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
When you look, Ryan, let's go into the current political environment. Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I was at a fundraiser last night for Jimmy patronis
awesome guy represents the Florida first District, basically right across
the street. He was having a fundraiser doing great work.
One of the guys there is working on the Michigan
Senate campaign. My wife is from Michigan. This is one
that we've talked about a lot on this program. We
have followed it closely. They had their final debate. Tuesday

(32:35):
is the primary. We will be talking about a great deal.
Abdul l Sayed is pulling away from Hailey Stevens and
appears to be a substantial favorite going into the primary
on Tuesday. Do you buy if l Sayed wins that
Mike Rodgers, who is going to be the Republican nominee,
has a very good chance to win. How does that
change your calculus. We'll dive into some other parts of

(32:57):
the Senate maybe a bit later in the conversation here,
but tell me about Michigan with the primary Tuesday.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
Yeah, Haley Stevens is fake accent with a stick it
to them, is not really getting what people thought that would.
Here's the problem with Haley Stephens. It's not just polling.
Early voting data is showing that white, college educated and
Muslim populations in the state are voting at much higher
percentages than her basis, which is predominantly black areas in
the Detroit area. Detroit's black areas have had substantially lower turnouts,

(33:25):
so are the rural areas. And the bigger problem with
Michigan with Democrats period is that the white working class
people who would normally back at Haley Stevens are all Republicans. Now,
Mike Rogers is probably polling close to even against Abdullah Sayet.
He's a very extreme candidate. He's campaigning with the podcaster
Hassan Piker, who said that Americans deserve nine to eleven. However,

(33:49):
it is a bad year for Republicans. It is a
year in a state that is fifty to fifty voted
a little more for Trump than for Kamalaw. It is
looking like a D plus seven, D plus eight year.
The generic ballot is leaving, leaving the train and is
really sticking to Democrats. So in an environment like that,
even bad candidates can win. Even Francesca Haung, who is,

(34:10):
you know, nuts beyond belief over in Wisconsin, she could
probably win in an environment like this. It's just becoming
it's looking more and more like a wave for Democrat
kind of year.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
So, Ran, what are some of the variables between now
and election day that you feel like you're going to
be the primary determinants about whether Republicans hold the House?
And Republicans hold the Senate. What are some of the
prime you know, the primary levers that depending on which
way they go, we're going to either be celebrating or
having a rough one.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
Well, you know, we talked several weeks or several months
ago at this point about the Iran war and oil
prices and food prices, and we all said, if it
goes down by the end of summer, by midsummer, we'll
be Republicans will be fine. And when it started dipping
during the negotiations, Republican numbers did substantially improve. Republicans are
doing better than Trump's doing. Trump'son close to George W.
Bush territory as far as Poland goes. However, we're at

(35:04):
the end of summer now. People kids are going back
to school in the South like next week, and oil
prices are back up, and Republican Democrats numbers are starting
to search. At the end of the day, it comes
down to food prices, oil prices, and at the Iran
war is wrapped up or not. I mean, it's really
just that is the margin in a lot of states
where it's going to matter. A lot of people defy
political gravity with people like Susan Collins and others. Brian Fitzpatrick,

(35:28):
a congressman in Pennsylvania. If you're looking at a D
plus seven D plus eight year, it's going to be
almost impossible for any of these people who defy gravity,
who win in Democrats states and districts, to hold on.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Okay, so let's pretend that it's going to be hard.
Let's just say acknowledge Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, which are
probably Ryan. You can disagree with me if you would
point to any other place, probably the only three states
where Republicans could say, hey, we have a chance of
taking a Democrat seat. That's where Democrats hold it right now.

(36:00):
If none of those happened, right, we hope they do.
But if none of those were to happen, then you
flip back to Okay, what about Texas?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
What about Iowa?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
What about you know, you start to run through a
bunch of these other Alaska battleground states, Ohio, how confident
are you that Republicans can get to at least fifty That.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Would mean lose three.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
You can afford to lose three and still have the
tie break for you lose control of the Senate. What's
going to happen there. How do you feel about Republican
held seats.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
Well, the first you have a Collins, who is who's
defied gravity to mention in May two? Yeah, no notice, Okay,
she is the one who's in a Democrat seat. She's
very endangered, but she is extremely popular among independents and
some Democratic women. She's in a tough battle this year though.
North Carolina is the other really you know important one.
Former Governor Roy Cooper is beating Michael Wattley, the Republican

(36:54):
backing candidate, by nine points in the latest Fox News poll.
The good thing of Republicans after the two states, which
is one a Democrat wants a swing state, you get
to states where Trump won all by double digits. So
the ability to win past those two states becomes harder
and harder and harder for Democrats. That's the one key
thing when you mentioned Texas. If you look at where
people are reserving cash reserves for ads almost no. I

(37:17):
think seven hundred thousand run for Democrats in Texas and
none one for Republicans in Texas. There's multiple reasons for this.
I have a little insight information. You know, Republicans in
the Senate really, allegedly really wanted John Cornyn to be
the nominee. They did not want Ken Pax to be
the nominee, and they basically told the Trump's team in
the White House or in the political side, saying, if

(37:39):
he's a nominee, he's all your problem. We're not taking it.
But the other problem is that Texas is twenty media markets.
It's the biggest media market in the entire country. So
to invest in Texas requires more money than any other states,
and it's a hard lift for Democrats. That's why they
would rather invest in Iowa and Ohio, in Alaska and
other places than invest in Texas. It's just really expensive

(38:01):
as far as Iowa, Ohio and Alaska goes. Ohio is
a tough state. But John, you say, is a fairly
unknown lieutenant governor relatively to Sherid Brown, who's the Democrat nominee,
former Senator, Iowa looks like it's turning more and more
towards Republicans favor Alaska. The Democrat Mary Patola from her
congressman who lost, she has an immense burn rate. She's
raising a lot of money, but she's blowing through it

(38:22):
very very early. So I feel decently. Okay about Alaska
given how much money she's blowing early on, Ohio is
the one that I would probably be looking at. But
in that case it would probably look like a fifty
one to forty nine map for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Worst case scenario, anything Ryan that you're looking at. In
terms of Democrats sort of shifting focus right now to
reposition themselves based on the latest or you know, where
are they going in heaviest and hardest thinking they actually
have a real shot at a pickup?

Speaker 8 (38:57):
Well, I mean, Democrats are kind of playing it more
so than usual. The one thing that they're doing is
very interesting is the Democratic nominees have dropped out of
the Nebraska and Idaho Senate race. And what is happening
is two independents who are saying, we don't know who
are going to caucus with. They're likely going to caucus
with Democrats. They are the official nominees, and they're trying
to run candidates in red states who don't have the

(39:20):
stink of the Democratic brand on them to make these
races competitive. I mean, over an Idaho senator race is
an older man, he is over eighty years old. He's
running for his I think fourth term in the Senate,
and you know, there's a lot of questions over whether
he should be running at this age. His poll numbers
have tied in substantially in some polls, but who knows.
It is Idaho. It is a very very red state.

(39:42):
That's their game plan though, is to run these independent
candidates in these very red states, hoping they can narrow
it as long as there's no Democrat on the ballot.
So we'll see if it plays out well.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
So, Ryan, you might have noticed from well one, we're
friends and we just talk randomly, but also from my
ex account and some recent discussions on the show, I
am paying attention to the fact that, and I really
I'm ready to tell people right now please do not
email me and say don't complain about the weather. The
weather hasn't gotten one hundred percent worse for the airlines

(40:13):
in the last two years, but three hour plus delays have.
And this is something we have told would be addressed
and would get better. We were all mocking Buddha Judge
for being mia and things being rough. We were told
they were going to be fixed. They have not been
fixed even a little bit. And it's a big annoying
pain in the butt for millions of people who fly,

(40:35):
especially if you fly on a regular basis. I had
a super irritating flight story recently. I've heard a lot
of other people. You had one that you wanted to share,
But can you all at the end of it, can
you also tell us I think it's fair to say
that the Trump administration should focus and do more on this,
But go ahead.

Speaker 8 (40:54):
I had to fly from New Orleans to Harrisburg, not
an easy flight with one connecting thing. I land in
Detroit four hour delay. The woman taking the tickets at
the fourth hour gives this long, rambling speech on the
microphone and says, I'm sorry, y'all, I don't even know
where I am right now. I'm so tired. I pray
for me as I pray for you. Something you do
not want to hear before you get on a plane.

(41:17):
Get to Parisburg. I to fly the next day. I
ended up driving across three different states to find a
plane with a direct flight because my other flight was canceled. Overall,
six flights, five states, sixty hours of insanity, only for
the last flight to be canceled, and had to sleep
over in a different hotel to fly out the next morning.

(41:39):
It costs over one thousand dollars because being in such
a small place at the time, The next available flight
was like two days later. It was truly insane, incredibly frustrating.
There was a bit of a weather problem, but I'm sorry,
it's not that bad. There has been weather before and
and air American Airlines was shut down because of the
it problem. But the fact that you have to wait

(42:01):
in the airport for four hours sometimes on to find out, Hey,
your flight's canceled is infuriating. Just tell me ahead of
time so I can make plans. But there was no
There's just lack of communication and understaffing that is insane
in the airlines right now. Because airlines are banks who
own planes. They're not actually yes.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
They're credit card company. They're credit card companies with planes.
This is true.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
This is why I mean, I hate to hear that.
My wife gets on me. Sometimes I won't do connecting flights.
I will at this point because travel has gotten so frustrating.
If you can't I'm in Nashville, but I will drive
to an airport to do a connecting flight because it
feels like if you're relying on two flights to try
to get you anywhere. It's basically a fool's errand at

(42:45):
this point in time to even attempt if I can't
go there direct, I going. And I feel like many
of you out there feel that way too as well,
because at least if you're stuck in a city where
you're trying to go to or a city that you
live in, you can go back. If you're stuck in Midpoint,
you're just I mean, you're totally handcuffed by everything.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
And in a small city, a lot of these are
regional areas. If you're stuck in a regional area, you
don't know anybody places close at five six o'clock, and
that was the Saint Harrisburg. Yeah, I was like, I
have to drive. I end up driving to Washington. I
drove to Virginia, Washington and end up in Baltimore. I mean,
it was insane trying to get a flight that I
have to drive four hours to find a flight for
two I mean, but that's the state. And anyone who flies.

(43:29):
I have to fly for work.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I just have to.

Speaker 8 (43:31):
There's no other option to put people in that kind
of position or on a regular basis, you know, it
makes it easily of life just horrible, everybody.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Let's get to the thirty thousand or the fifty thousand
foot view. Is it the worst it's ever been in
your opinion, because I think that flying is now the
worst that it has ever been in my lifetime, you know,
with the exception of like some you know, like post
nine to eleven or something, right, But I mean, I
think flying is now the worst.

Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yeah, two years ago, I used to fly sixty two
three four years of sixty times a year I would fly.
I flew all the time. It is way significantly worse,
and it is hours delays and cancelations and no one
communicates and everything with you. The communication part is what
frustrates me the most. I'm sorry you didn't just find
out that your flight's canceled fifteen minutes before, after waiting
four hours.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I think, Well, what upsets me too is some people
like to sort of be the great defenders of the
airlines all the time, as if I don't know that. Yeah,
of course you can't fly into thunderstorm like I'm not
talking about that. There are a lot of games schedule
padding on chronic understaffing as a cost cutting measure, you know,
over selling of seats and all these things. These are

(44:36):
choices the airlines make at the expensive passengers, and people say, well,
this is what the market will decide. Taxpayers have bailed
out the airlines twice in the last twenty five years. Okay,
they wouldn't even exist without the taxpayer, and they're heavily
regulated by the federal government as it is, so I
feel like they're not allowed to just punish people, or
they shouldn't be allowed to just punish people all the time.
But that's where I am. I don't know. I'm trying

(44:57):
to get a movement going here, Ryan, I'm trying to
find somebody who cares, who's in charge, and as far.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
As the mark goes, this is not opening up a
lemonade stand. It's not like any person can just open
up an airline like, oh, it's so simple. No, it
is an extremely expensive, over heavily regulated industry.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Very few, very few people.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Get to it.

Speaker 8 (45:14):
It's both it's basically six companies that run the entire
United States airline industry. They should make it, someone should
make it a little bit easier because it is incredibly frustrating.
Shout out to Southwest, who's bailed me out in the
Baltimore situation. But it was a nightmare of Ji.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Why Southwest fly Southwest everywhere? Buck?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Here's and Ryan, something that I think factors in here.
You know why there isn't a lot of pressure because
the wealthier you are, the less likely you fly commercial airlines.
So oftentimes it's wealthy people with major connections who get
major connections to the political universe. They get so frustrated
over something that they hold political pressure. If you're super wealthy,

(45:54):
you don't fly commercial, you're hopping on your private peasants.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
The peasants like us are just allowed to suffer out there,
Ryan State.

Speaker 8 (46:02):
But Congress does fly commercial. That's the crazy thing. Congressman
almost always fly commercial and oftentimes fly economy, which is
why I don't understand they don't do anything about this.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Well, they do sometimes.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
There's also a lot of private jet travel for politicians
as well that sometimes gets expensed through campaigns that I mean,
remember Bernie on his oligarch tour, he flew private jet
of course, as all anti oligarchs do. All right, Ryan,
we're having too much fun with you.

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Speaker 1 (47:54):
Mental mugging with Clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay
and Buck. We are rolling through? Is this the guess?

Speaker 3 (48:02):
This is the third hour? I jumped in there a
little bit early. I think, Bob, that's so good. I
feel like we got another couple of hours to go here.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
You know, sometimes Malone passes the basketball to Stockton. Sometimes
Stockton passes it to Malone. We just go.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I understand you got an angry, angry email from a
listener about your son's potential status in the WNBA.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
It was a d M, and I did have to
remind the fellow that I did not, in fact claim
that my one year old could play in the WNBA.
How old is your son? I have three? One is eighteen.
I don't I mean the one that you know fifth? Please?
I know the boys. I know the boys.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I'm specifically singling out my fifteen year old pretty good athlete.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
He said, I had a cool haircut, because that's my
he's my favorite right now. He's the one. You had
a cool haircut. That's right there, we go.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
He will turn sixteen in September. He would be a
dominant w NBA player right now.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
He could. He could step right into a starting lineup
for a w U NBA team. I'm telling you we could.
The money and the ratings you me. We get Secretary
of warhag Seth. We get Jesse Kelly to be our center,
just because I think he can dunk without jumping.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's preposterous, didn't I see Jesse by the way saying, Oh,
my back's been hurting.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
What kind of leg exercises can I do? Am I
making this up?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
And I think Matt Walsh said just accept you're in
your sixties and just get fat and lazy now, which
is a very funny response.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
That may have been a thing. But also we got
to we get Dave Rubin in the mix. I'm trying
to think of our start. You know Ted Ted Cruz,
he throw he kicks it around, old school like if
you've seen Ted when he played Jimmy Kimmel. Ted Cruz
plays basketball the way that every Long Island rec coach
tells you to play basketball. A lot of boxing out.
You gotta throw some elbows to keep that space, and

(49:54):
then you know, sky hooks, baby hooks. He's uh, he's
definitely got some game. He's Oh, Jimmy Kimmel. Who else
in our world is a bit of a baller?

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Look, I'm trying to think of just the elite athletes
that we think Hannedy Hannity, I know, does a lot
of like MMA stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Does he do bad? We got someone find out if
Hannity ever played well. I think probably had some point guard.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Give Sean some credit here on good Jeans because he
had two D one college tennis player, a son and
a daughter, which is a crazy level of success. It's
hard to be D one one, I mean at national
championship caliber program. So I think Sean would have had,
you know, kind of a veteran basketball game back in

(50:41):
the day.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And I'm just gonna say, I don't know if Bongino
ever played basketball. My guess is he probably did. He
was a good athlete, I know that. But he could
definitely be our enforcer, you know, like the guy in
hockey who just stares down the guys that like, you know,
make sure that no one throws a hard check on Gretzky.
Bongino would be there. He'd just be regulating in the paint,
making sure that none of those WNBA ladies got too

(51:02):
rough with us.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Well, I would just say if we could also draft
heg Seth. I mean, the guy bench press is three
point fifteen. Now, I don't know if they're going to
be drug testing, just just tossing it out there.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
He wouldn't pass.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
He don't pass if they did for performance in hand sing,
not for other drugs.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, yeah, correct, correct. Testosterone is legal under a doctor's prescription.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
So I think he was on the program with us
because I think we had fun when he had a
book come out. He played at Princeton back in the day,
and I believe he said that he would take Angel
Reese head to head one on one. So I think
heg Seth could be a twenty ten guy for us,
Like I think he could be like a lynchpin on
the team, you know we set.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, I think I think he's a he's a he's
a right wing media franchise player. Day. I will tell
you I've seen. I haven't played with him because my
knees hurt, but Dave Dave Rubins got some game. He
would be he would be solid. He's like he's like
a good two guard. You know, he's got the shooting
guard skills, so we get him in the mix, getting
to play with that small Shapiro coach. We've being bent

(52:08):
in to do some strategy. You know, he'd be good
with the board and strategizing. I don't think is gonna
be his thing necessarily, but I think strategy he'd be excellent.
I uh, that is really fun. I did Ben's show today.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I should have asked him if he thought he could,
if he thought he could to lead us to victory.
I will say, building on this, we were talking about
the WNBA, the Seattle situation. Buck the dumbest thing that
I have ever seen a sports league do on social media.
Last night, I'm getting ready for bed, and as one does,

(52:45):
I'm on my phone scrolling checking to see what the
news is, or bombing her on what's the latest on that?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Let me do some.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Prep for the show, and I see a video of
Angel Reese and Page Bucker's I think that's how you
pronounce her name. I'm not great to be fair Buckers,
that's right, right, And we got producer Greg who's a
big yukon Beckers. Sorry, Page Beckers, I always get that wrong.
I don't know why you have the U in there.
It's an unnecessary vowel. So she is on this video

(53:15):
with Angel Reese Buck. The WNBA posted the two of
them betting four hundred dollars on a basketball game. The
two sides are competing. To put this into context, any
NFL player who bets on their team is automatically suspended

(53:37):
now for two years without pay. The WNBA posted a
video of them betting and then came out while we
were on the air and said, according to Front Office Sports,
that the video of them betting on their game was

(53:59):
quote intend to be lighthearted. We recognize that the post
missed the mark and removed it shortly after it was
published and addressed the matter internally. So if you're an
NFL player, you missed two years. If you bet on
your team, you do not get played, you lose your contract.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
If you are a w NBA player and they post you.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
On video betting for the game outcome two players, they
just say, hey, it was supposed to be lighthearted and
we're going to address it internally.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
By the way, I totally and I think anyone would
understand why betting against your team is fraud and wrong
and unethical if you're on the If you're on the team, right,
that's why it's your team. I totally understand that. I'm
a little fuzzier on why betting your team is going
to win when you're on a team is on it.

(54:55):
I guess it's just they want to keep it clean
and not have people betting, and they just they think
betting is a mess.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
The biggest takeaway is bus like when you don't bet right.
So Pete Rose back in the day would bet on
his team to win. But when you're not betting on
your team to win, you're also default sending the message
from people who are involved in the betting landscape, Oh,
this guy doesn't like the matchup at all going forward.

(55:20):
So when you bet on your team, I guess if
you're to your point, if you bet on your team
every game to win, then it would be less of
an issue, right, other than if you're on an awful team,
you could end up hundreds of thousands or millions of
dollars in debt, which might eventually lead to you betting
against your team to try to get back into good graces.

(55:42):
I think just I do think blanket prohibitions unless you're
an individual boxer or something like that. Maybe on an
individual athlete basis, but again telling other people, this has
been a huge investigation. I just I can't believe the
WNBA was dumb enough to post this, and I can't
believe their explanation is ha is it just supposed to

(56:04):
be lighthearted?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
That's what they're saying. We were just kidding, That's what
they're saying. We're just kidding. Think about this opens up
a lot of territory, you know what I mean? You
could be like, hey, officer, was I really going one
hundred and twenty miles an hour? This three hundred dollars
that I'm handing you says? I wasn't just kidding. It's
like does that work? All the copy lighthearted? Right? All

(56:27):
the cops listening are like, don't try the lighthearted defense
when you try to slip me cash, buddy, You're going
to prison. Like you know what I'm saying, Oh yeah,
just kidding is joking about the Bribeeah, that's a tough one.
I think that's a tough one, dude. I think I'm
just kidding about the bribe. If they if they refuse
the bribe, I don't think you're gonna get very What
is it? Is it the Nelly song where he's like,
so you're gonna do it? Just kidding? Uh? Like there's

(56:49):
a line where he's like, you know, do you want
to do that?

Speaker 9 (56:52):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Just kidding unless you do, in which case I'm all
about it, right Like, Uh, there's a great line in there.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
You're more than Nelly. You're more than Nelly on this
show that I am. I can't say you saw Nelly
performance recently? I did he did?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
He?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Did he have like a did he have like a gut?
And new balances on? I mean? How old is he now?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Nelly looks the exact same now as he did in
two thousand and one. I don't know what the guy
is doing for his living choices, But you know, I
don't know what the absolute apex of Nelly's popularity Probably
about two thousand and one, right like, when every song
it felt like was a Nelly hit. He looks and
sounds the exacts. And my wife and I we were

(57:30):
up the night before the White House Correspondence dinner. He
was performing at the Executive Branch for some of our
friends at seventeen eighty nine Capital. They had gotten him
schedule we went with having an awesome time, and my
wife said, my god, I mean, like this is just
like being back in nineteen in two thousand and one,
like this, like he looks and feels like as if

(57:52):
this is nothing has changed at all.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
We were just talking, Nelly, we got way, we got
way off, We're we're weaving, We're going rogue. Here were
we talking about before? That was? Oh, you were discussing
the betting thing. Yes, which was which was of high interest?
Do you want it? Would you like to do some
talkbacks here with me, sir, because we have a lot
that I believe we have not yet got. Well, they're
mostly faucy talkbacks from before. I want to get some

(58:16):
from today. Oh. Jesse's producer, Jesse Kelly's producer says that
he did, in fact play some basketball. By the way, Jesse,
who is I believe six'. Nine for those who wonder
why we call Him Paul, Bunyan chewbacca sasquatch, all he.
Is he may be the tallest radio host In. America,
LIKE i think that's. Unlikely, oh maybe there's like a
FORMER nba player who does radio who's taller than. Him

(58:38):
but even for THE. Nba six' nine is. Pretty, Tall
uh i'm sure that he was recruited by the. High
school the high school basketball coach probably saw him bump
his head on the ceiling going into the cafeteria and, was, like,
hey buddy you're. Playing basketball this is all.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Very funny do we have a talkback? On that is
that what you were setting up? Or for, jesse's producer because,
the team to, their credit has done a immediate deep
Dive into. Nelly's, Lyrics, producer ali can you come, UP
you i think have nailed IT that i was referring
to the great hit hot.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
In here do you have the LYRICS that i was trying.

Speaker 9 (59:15):
TO hit i don't KNOW if i have, the Lyrics
but ai said that was in Reference to i'm just Kidding,
like jason which is a playful reference TO the Nba Player. Jason, kidd.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yes, BUT yes i will find out. That lyric do
we want to? Do talkbacks you want me to do?
A read we'll do all the talkbacks when we, come
back maybe the read and then GOING to.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I like, to read AND then i really want to
dive into these talkbacks and let them let them breathe,
a little, you KNOW what. I mean put them in.
The decanter let the aromas waft, a bit, you know
find the undertones of vanilla and crisp apple In, our
yeah you Get what. I'm, saying well you will great
talkbacks when. We return let me tell.

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