July 31, 2026 • 34 mins
The episode opens with a discussion of reports and images from Spain showing large numbers of migrants entering the country from Morocco. Sen. Cruz argues that Europe is facing the consequences of immigration policies similar to those previously debated in the United States, while Ben Ferguson compares the situation to past scenes at the U.S. southern border.
The conversation then shifts to Anthony Fauci’s congressional appearance, where he repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment rights rather than answer questions from lawmakers. The hosts examine what legal protections a presidential pardon may or may not provide, debate the significance of congressional contempt proceedings, and revisit disputes over COVID-era policies, including school closures and pandemic messaging.
Topics Covered:
- Migration from Morocco into Spain and the political response
- Comparisons between Spain’s migration challenges and the U.S. southern border
- Anthony Fauci’s Fifth Amendment invocation before Congress
- Congressional contempt proceedings and legal accountability debates
- COVID-19 school closures and public policy disputes
- Presidential pardons, immunity questions, and Department of Justice enforcement discussions
According to Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson, the immigration developments in Spain and Anthony Fauci’s congressional testimony reflect larger debates over government responsibility, transparency, and public trust. Their discussion centers on whether political leaders and public officials should face greater accountability for controversial decisions and policies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It is Vertic with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
you as well, and if you're listening on radio stations
around the country, it's so nice to have you with us.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And if this is your first time listening.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We do this show as a podcast three days a week,
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Cruz wherever you get your podcast Center.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
In the show, including a massive invasion of legal immigrants
in Spain, and doctor Fauci had a lot to say
sarcasm insert it right there in Washington, DC this week.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, Fauci's testimony before Congress was absolutely disgraceful. We're going
to get into that in depth, but first we're going
to talk about what is happening in Spain, because it
is outrageous, it is frightening, it is terrifying. If you
have not watched these images online, if you're watching this
on YouTube, you can see it on the YouTube show.
(00:55):
If you haven't, go and Google watch it with your eyes,
because I can with my voice. Due justice to what's
happening in Spain. Spain is being invaded thousands upon thousands
of people from Morocco are coming over one after the
other after the other, and there's not another word to
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describe it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
It is an invasion.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It reminds me very much of what happened in Texas
on the southern border, and in particular in Del Rio.
And if you remember Del Rio, which is a town
in the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas. It's a
town of about thirty thousand people, and in one day,
more than ten thousand Haitian illegal immigrants crossed the Rio
(01:43):
grand crossed into the United States, into the small town
of Del Rio. It was an absolute invasion.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I was there. I was there.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
In fact, I filmed it and put out the video
of what was happening in Del Rio. You had thousands
upon thousands of Haitians under a bridge, under a giant overpass,
and it looked like it looked like the Third World.
It was suddenly in America. It looked like you were
in Haiti. They were just basically shanty towns. And it
was designed by the Biden administration and the drug cartels.
(02:14):
The Mexican cartels made the decision to send the Haitians
to the southern border, to Del Rio, and to send
them over in an invasion and the Democrats welcomed them. Well,
the same thing is happening in Spain and it is horrifying.
And I say this without hyperbole. I think we are
witnessing civilizational suicide in Europe. They are destroying the great
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nations of Europe. And understand, this is not happening accidentally.
It's just like what happened in Texas for the four
years of the Biden administration, where the invasion was by design.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
The left hate eats the West.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yep, this is what Mandami and the other communists wants.
This is what the DSA wants when they say open borders,
when they say abolish Ice. They want this invasion for
the same purpose. It's the same reason the socialists in Spain,
who unfortunately are in control of that government, they want
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to destroy Spanish civilization, and tragically, these American leftists want
to destroy American civilization.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, I was talking about this earlier day, and
I want to get your take on this, but but
one of the things I said was I think part
of the reason why we're witnessing these types of invasions,
and really it's happening not just in Spain, but we're
seeing massive illegal immigration numbers all throughout Europe that have spiked,
and as you described it, I think it's spot on
that we're watching the crumbling of civilization and actually having
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pride in a nation. Right you just get rid of
the nation. It's kumbaiaism of the left and the communiess
and socialists. But I also think part of why this
is happening right now in Europe is Donald Trump one reelection,
got back to the White House by saying I'm going
to secure the southern border and I'm going to stop
the invasion that you're witnessing on TV the videos that
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you took. I still go back to that moment where
I think we saw the tide change, and that was
when the federal government under the Biden administration used that
forklift and raised up that bob wire in Texas and
people came flooding into America. That for me was a
picture is worth right, a thousand words, however you want
to describe it. But when you can't come to America anymore,
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the way that you were able to buy the millions
and millions under the Biden and the bomdministration combined and
the leftist policies where are you going to go next?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Europe? Europe would be your next stop.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And now they're getting what would have a lot of
people that probably would have tried to keep coming to
America if the Democrats were in charge.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well, and this is also the Islamization of Europe. These
illegal immigrants that are invading the country, they are essentially
entirely Muslim, and you're saying, you know, there was a
meme online that showed President Trump flying in Air Force
one and looking out the window and saying, my goodness,
(05:18):
Pakistan is just horrible. What's happening there? And an aide
stops and says, I'm mister President, that's London. Yeah, like
Europe is deliberately and we're seeing this throughout.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Europe has allowed.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
The entire continent to face an invasion from the Middle East,
face an invasion from Africa, and it is changed the
underlying character of the continent, and you're seeing you're seeing
the consequences. Look, I think Europe is foreshadowing where the
United States will go if we don't stop this, and
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it's about ten years ahead of us. So so in
some ways, you can look to Spain and it's like
you're looking at a crystal ball, you can see. And
by the way, it'll happen faster than ten years, if
God forbid Elizabeth Warren or Gavin Newsom RAOC becomes president.
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The same invasion we're seeing in Spain, the same invasion
that we saw under Joe Biden, will happen again. And
the reason is the same, because the left, they want
these illegal immigrants to destroy Western civilization, to destroy American civilization,
to tear down the Constitution, the foundations of free enterprise,
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the foundations of rule of law. And you know, I
have to wonder what a typical Spanish citizen is thinking
right now, and listen.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
What I fear is that what they.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Might be thinking is the same thing that the idiot
voter who voted for Mandami and the other communists in
America are thinking, which is this is a great thing,
this is a wonderful thing. I don't know if they're
looking away and just just averting their eyes or if
they think wonderful, what a blessing. But I'll tell you
one thing that is deeply chilling about these images, the
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videos that are coming up. The videos I saw, there
was not a single woman, or there was not a
single child yeah, these are all military age men. There
are men from about fifteen to about forty and they're
coming one after the other, after the other after the other.
And by the way, like one fellow on Twitter put it,
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put out a very good question, he said, what what
is the purpose of having an army if thousands of
foreign invaders can just cross your border and invade your country?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Because that is what is happening.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And and by the way, no vetting.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Let's be clear they there there was a there was
a really interesting video that got released and showed the
government opening up a gate and allowing men. There was
no women or children. Hundreds and hundreds are rushing. I
don't know how deep it was. I mean it could
be thousands and thousands. No one is vetting if these
are terrorists, if they're drug cartel members, if they're setting
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up chant.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And we know we know they are, We know that
they're a terrorist among them. We know that there are
cartel members members and criminals and murderers and rapists. We
know that because that's what happened in America's what's happening
there too.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And it is part of the left's design.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The left will say the same thing that we heard
when they were basically justifying the invasion into the United
States of America. These are families, These are women and children.
They're just looking for a better life. You go down
the Rio Grande, you go down to the border, and
what we were witnessing coming across the border was not
a lot of families. It was a lot of military
age men as well. It was people that were smuggling people.
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They would act like a child was their child, when
it actually really even was not their child. By the way,
the Biden administration lost well over one hundred thousand kids
that they gave to people in the US and just
disappeared into society. God knows what's happening to some of
them even to this day. But you look at Spain,
this invasion terrifies me from the standpoint center that it's
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clear that there's somebody behind it. It is orchestrated in
a way. It is the military age men. It's almost
like they're saying, we can set up a network, we
can make a ton of money, we can set up
drug cartels and drugs coming through human trafficking, like it's
setting up an apparatus. And then, as you mentioned, we
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know people on the terrorists watch lists are coming across
our southern border.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wen we caught a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We don't know how many we didn't catch or sleep
or sales there even in America. Right now Trump administration
working on that. But that's part of this conversation. We
have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, and what happened in the United States under and
the Democrats was even worse. There were many military age
men who came over. There were also families. There were
also children, the children who were physically abused, sexually abused
by the human traffickers, by adult men who essentially rented
children because for a time the policy was if you
arrived with a child, you got to stay. And so
(10:19):
you saw the same children rented over and over again.
And by the way, it wasn't just more than one
hundred thousand children the Biden administration lost. It was more
than three hundred thousand children that they lost that they
had in government custody, unaccompanied miners, and they handed to
adults and they don't know where they are. They just
lost them. One of the most important things the Trump
administration has been doing is going and finding many of
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those kids and rescuing some of those kids from sexual assault,
from being sexually trafficked, from being in child labor situations,
from being physically abused, and the Democrats didn't care that.
They didn't care, they didn't do anything. And by the way,
the press didn't care. They didn't care.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
About the kids being abused.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
But I will tell you southern border, there were also
times where you saw a large influx of military age men.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I've been down the.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Southern border during Biden when I saw, for example, groups
of Chinese men. Now the last I checked, I'm no
geography expert, but China is not below our southern border.
But yet they were being brought in by human traffickers
all the way from China. I was told by customs
and border patrol at the going rate for a Chinese
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illegal immigrant to pay the coyotes was fifty thousand dollars to.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Come into this country.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And I saw groups just sitting there of military age
men by the hundreds, in groups with no kids among them,
and all Chinese like that had been apprehended, and that
the Biden administration was releasing into this country. And I
guarantee you a significant number of those Chinese military age
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men are working for the Chinese Communist Party as spies
or other subversives doing damage to this country. But look,
one of the things that we now know conclusively for
a fact is that being subject to invasion is a choice. Yes,
it's not an accident. It's not something. Look during the
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Biden administration, one of the talking points that Biden used,
that Kamala Harris used that Alojandro mayorcis us is well,
we're trying. We just can't. We're just unable to stop it.
It's just, you know, I'm sorry, we're not We're not
very good at it. They also, by.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
The way, tried.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
The gas lighting of saying the border is secure, everything's fine.
Don't believe your lying eyes. And we now know one
hundred percent certainty that was a lie. How do we
know that Because the instant Donald Trump came back into
the White House, illegal border crossings dropped ninety nine percent.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So the statement that they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Secure the border was proven exactly false. And the only
thing that changed is you had a president who would
suddenly follow the law. And and and there is one
policy question that determines illegal immigration more than anything else,
and it's not it's not, first of all, a wall
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or or personnel or boots on the ground or anything else.
It's one simple policy question. What happens when you apprehend
someone here illegally yep. And if the answer is that,
you put them on a plane, you put them on
a bus, and you send them back to the country
they came from. Everyone who comes to this country illegally,
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or just about every person is carrying with them a
cell phone. And what happens is when you start flying
them home, they call call on the phone, and they
tell tell their friends, they tell their relatives, don't come,
they won't let you stay, and the numbers drop immediately.
That's what happened at the beginning of the Trump administration.
The same thing happens on the flip side. So what
Joe Biden the democ threats did is.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They just ignored federal immigration law.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Federal immigration law says illegal immigrants who are detained, shall
be detained, shall be deported, shall is a mandatory legal word.
And they just said, we don't care, doesn't matter what
the law is, We're not going to follow it. And again,
they all have cell phones. So once they discover, hey,
when we get here, they let us go, They could
pick up the phone and call home.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I want to read to you what Pedro Sanchez, who
is the socialist Prime Minister of Spain said about this invasion.
He sent out a tweet that says, quote, the government
of Spain is fully committed to providing an immediate response
to the situation in Suta. We are mobilizing all necessary resources,
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working with Moroccan and international authorities, and preparing the necessary
measures to restore normalcy as soon as possible. I just
conveyed this to President Juan vivaslatter. This is the moment
to build solutions with responsibility and cooperation. Now that is
leftist code word for we are going to do nothing. Yeah,
(15:06):
although what he may try to do, we are going
to ask that they invade our country slightly less blatantly,
so that we don't have images of them invading by
the thousand.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Just spread it out a little.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
We're fine being invaded by a Muslim horror that is
to destroying Spain, but just don't make it so obvious.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
We can't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's what he is meaning. That's what he is saying,
and it is It is the agenda, not just of
the European Socialist It is the agenda Mandami. It is
the agenda of Bernie Sanders. It is the agenda of
just about every single Democrat in the Congress. When the
DSA says we want open borders, they mean it. They
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want our civilization destroyed.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
We got to break down center.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Anthony Fauci, guy that told you who you can eat with,
how far you had to stay away from somebody when
you could go to church, couldn't go to church, you know,
bankrupted a lot of small businesses. You know that Anthony Fauci,
who also told you if you just got that shot,
we were gonna stop the spread in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Took two years of your kid's you know, education away
from them. But that guy who always found the cameras,
now all of a sudden, he's wanting to be really quiet.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Well, we had a modern day miracle play out in Washington,
d c. Number one, a legitimate saint, a saint who
saved the world, came to Congress. And number two, a
man who had an opinion on everything, who knew the
answer to every question, who's who simply shared his wisdom
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with us in volcanic eruptions, suddenly had nothing to say
if you were pissed off at the Moroccan invasion of Spain,
I promised you you were every bit as pissed off
at watching the pious, self righteous Anthony Fauci come before
Congress this week.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Now now, he.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Gave a really detailed explanation of all of his wisdom
about the COVID pandemic. I want you to listen to
the entirety of his opening statement.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
By the way, it's incredible. You don't even need to
take a sip of water. It'll be over that fast.
Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Although it pains me to do so, because of the
respect I have for the legislative branch of government and
my decades long record of cooperating with Congress. Under the
advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under
the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering
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your questions.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
By the way, sed, he's not lying in that statement
when he said my lawyers, he came in with a
I mean an r me of lawyers behind him.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Well he did.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And and mind you, this is someone who just just
a couple of years ago, in twenty twenty two, said
he quote had nothing to hide, and in twenty twenty two,
he told CNN quote, I am very happy to testify
before any Congressional oversight committee. Here, give a listen to
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what he said back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Well, if I become a punching bag, I'm a punching bag.
But I am very happy to testify before any congressional
oversight committee. I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I have.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
I can explain and validate everything that I've done. So
you know it's going to be inconvenient if they actually
are out there essentially threatening to make my life miserable.
But it's I mean, I'm going to do what I
need to do, and that is cooperate fully because we
have nothing to hide at all.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Okay, Now I got to ask a technicality question here,
because for people that are listening, can you explain to
me you get a preemptive pardon in theories? Shouldn't that
center just free you up to do exactly what the
twenty twenty two Anthony Fauci had to say there that Hey,
I'll testify before anybody. I'll tell you anything. I've already
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been pardoned. Why would your attorneys? And it was an
army of attorneys that came with into Capitol Hill, tell
you not to answer any questions at all if you've
already been.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Pardoned, because a pardon is retrospective. A pardon immunizes him
for criminal conduct he committed in the past, got prior
to the day that Joe Biden pardoned him. The pardon
does not immunize him for crimes that he commits in
the future. And the reason he pleaded the fifth is
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as alternative as he was going to lie through his
teeth and lying under oath to Congress is a fan
eleanie punishable by serious jail time. That's the reason he
pleaded the fifth, not because of past conduct, but because
he intended to lie and listen. Two significant things changed.
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Number one, Merrick Garland is no longer Attorney General. The corrupt,
politicized Biden Department of Justice is no longer there. He
could say I'm very happy to testify before Congress because
he could get up and brazenly lie with no compunction,
because the chance I mean, I mean, he could. It
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didn't matter what he said, it didn't matter what he did.
He could have shot someone in congressional hearing. And the
Biden Department of Justice was not going to do anything
about it. They knew he was lying, they didn't care.
They wanted him to lie. So not even they didn't care,
they wanted him to lie. The Trump Department of Justice,
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if he lies under oath, you better believe they will
prosecute him and put him in jail. So but but
the critical admission is that means he intended to lie
in this here. You know, what's the second thing that changed.
The second thing that changed is his diary came out.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes, one hell of a diary. By the way, By
the way, I gotta ask, do you do you do it?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You do it?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
By the way, I don't understand anybody that does. That's
like our age. I don't get it. I've never understood it.
But like this diary was like a manifesto for narcissism.
Like if you want to say, hey, if you've got
a daughter, just tell him, don't ever marry a guy
that does this like rights this way, talks this way
about himself.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It was I mean, it's off the change narcissism.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, look that that's not an exaggeration. The diary demonstrates
this man is a narcissistic sociopath. Where where he number
one is a brazen liar, but he is so self centered,
and we on Monday's podcast we went into depth on
in terms of what the diary said. But here's his problem. So,
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for example, one of the things the diary said is
that he knew early in the pandemic. He said, we
now know that the covid virus did not come from
the Chinese wet market.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yep, now mind you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
He later on decided, no, I don't want people to
know that the covid virus came from the Wuhan Institute
for Virology, because if they know that, they're going to
figure out that it was created or modified with gain
of function research paid for by doctor Anthony Fauci, that
he was responsible for the funding the research that created
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or modified the covid virus to make it more transmissible,
to make it more deadly, to make it target humans
more effectively.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And so he was.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Covering up his own culpability when he spread the story, Oh,
this came from just you know, bats at the wet market.
We know in writing he said, early on, we know
for a fact this did not originate in the wet market.
The wet market simply amplified it. But it did not
originate there. So why did he plead the fifth Because
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if he repeated that lie, he would immediately be confronted
with his diary and he would be asked, were you
lying when you told Congress? The opposite, his choice would
be one of two things. Number one, admit yes, I'm
a liar, don't believe anything I said, and mind you
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when I say narcissists.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Remember this is someone who, in the midst of.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
COVID said, when you criticize me, you are criticizing science.
I am the science, and science with like a trademark.
I mean, he embodied science, and he's not capable of
saying I'm an unprincipled, shameless liar. So the alternative is
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he would lie and say no, no, no, I was telling
the truth. That would be perjury. Or it's actually not perjury.
Technically it's lying under oath, which is different from perjury
but punishable the same as a felony. And so likewise,
another instance, he says in his diary how proud he was,
how thrilled he was when he called Democrat politicians in
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New York and in California and convinced them to shut
down schools convince them to shut down churches, convince them
to shut down small businesses, and those decisions had catastrophically
devastating consequences. Shutting down the schools, I think we will
look back in history as the school shut down as
the most inexplicable, damaging public policy decision of modern times.
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The data now show that because tens of millions of
k kids had their schools shut down for more than
a year, the Democrat politicians that we have witnessed the
single largest learning loss in recorded history since we began
measuring it. We also saw the racial gap, the divide
between African American kids and white kids, and the divide
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between Hispanic kids and white kids, grow more during the
COVID shutdowns than again in any period since we began
measuring it. Well after everyone saw what a disaster the
shutdowns were, Fauci repeatedly went on TV and said, Oh,
I didn't urn shutdowns. I wasn't in favor of shutdowns.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
O don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
That wasn't me, That wasn't me, That wasn't me. We
now know.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
We knew it then, but we now know conclusively out
of his own words in the diary, that was a lie.
He didn't want to be questioned about that lie, which
is why he said, you know how many times he
pleaded the fifth?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Uh, well, like one hundred and eleven, hundred and ten times.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It was crazy, one hundred and eleven times. It was
utterly shameless. Watching him one hundred and eleven times plead
the fifth and refuse to answer anything.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Was was infuriating.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And also the contemptuous arrogance with which he did so
made it even more infuriating. Here listen to this exchange
where Josh Holly's questioning it.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
What day of the week is it today? On the
divisive Council?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I respectfully declined to and se based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
What color tie you're wearing on the advisive Council?
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I respectfully declined to a SA based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
What colors the carpet in front of you on the
advisive Council?
Speaker 8 (26:46):
I respectfully declined to and se based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean it's You couldn't have written this type
of absurdity compared to the entire Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
We've known, you know, post COVID nineteen.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, look that that's right, and and and he's going
to have a real problem. So so the next step, uh,
it is going to be a vote to hold him
in contempt to Congress.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, and that was announced by Senator Paul like instantly
after us.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yes and and and and listen. It starts with a
vote in his gag the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee,
which ran chairs and that's where, uh, where Fauci was
testifying and where he was subpoena And my my full
expectation is that that vote will be party line. That
that that that uh, that committee has an eight to
seven Republican majority, So I'm assuming all eight Republicans will
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vote for it, and I assume all seven Democrats will
vote against it, and and and then it will go
to the floor and and we'll have some procedural wrangling
and battling it. It may well require sixty votes, but
we'll see how that fight go. But either way, Fauci
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is going to have a real problem claiming that the
Fifth Amendment right, it protects him because he has a
blanket pardon. So once you have a pardon. The same
thing is true, like, once you're given immunity, you can't
claim the Fifth because the Fifth Amendment is a right
to be protected from legal jeopardy, and a pardon makes
the legal jeopardy go away. And so his argument for
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refusing to answer questions about the past is a really
weak argument. I assume he will do some version of saying, well,
this is a perjury trap. They're trying to trap me
in perjury. There's a simple response to that, is the
way to avoid a perjury trap is don't lie, ye
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tell the truth. And I know the guy is an
inveterate liar and he can't help himself, but you know,
he could just agree with what he wrote in his diary.
I don't know if his position was I was lying
to my diary. And by the way, when it comes
to a narcissist, you also see him just so excited.
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Oh CNN's calling, Oh this place is calling.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Oh they love me.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh I'm a rock star. Oh they're jealous of me.
Oh I'm so cool. Oh I'm so amazing. Like it
it really was. I mean, there are aspects of the
diary that almost read like the unibomber manifesto.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I mean it's it is.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Not even giving it a fair assessment like that's under
that's two mild in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah no, And this was so look, I will enthusiastically
vote to hold Anthony Fauci in contempt.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So what does that mean though for like average Americans
that say, okay, so what like, then what happens?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The Department of Justice can can prosecute the contempt holding.
So you recall back during during Obama, the House of
Representatives voted to hold Eric Holder, the Attorney General.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
In contempt.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
YEP, that contempt finding is not self executing. What happens then,
and the House did it during during Obama as they
referred it to the Justice Department. Now, the person who
made the decision what to do on that would be
Eric Holder. And oddly enough, Eric Holder did not want
to prosecute Eric Holder for contempt of Congress, so he
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did nothing. I mean, it was completely it was And
by the way, that's why Fauci was not worried at
all about testifying before Congress as long as the Biden
Justice Department was there, because they will never hold him
to account for anything. He felt completely protected and immunized.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
And safe.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It never occurred to him, like it was truly unthinkable
to this narcissist that Donald Trump could be re elected.
That is a nightmare beyond anything he could have imagined.
And now suddenly he has a Department of Justice that
will hold him in contempt. And and look, my assumption,
I don't know this, but I actually assume on this
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contempt finding, I think all fifty three Republicans would would
vote to hold him in contempt.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I don't know that we would lose anyone. I hope
we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Certainly an easy, easy vote for me. But but look,
there there are some issues on which we all know
the fifty three Republicans that we lose some on different questions.
I'd be surprised if we lost anyone.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I mean, it was you couldn't watch.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
This this exchange without just just being infuriated beyond words.
And and you know, the there's just an arrogance that
that that this man. Look you know when when when
we started started the pod and I said, you know,
we saw a saint testify the degree to which the
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Democrats and the media deified him like actually saint is
too low. He was above saints. He was a god
they believe, if they believed it, if they believed in God,
they would say that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But he was.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
He was the.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Equivalent of a god to them. And he still thinks
he is. He thinks he is untouchable.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Final question, do you believe we will ever see Anthony
Fauci held accountable criminally for what he did to this country?
The lies he told, I mean, he ruined people's lives financially,
he ruined people's families, He ruined people's ability to celebrate.
He ruined people's ability to even like bury their family members.
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There are a lot of people that think the lies
that he told, and also I think a lot of
people feel like he lied to them straight up on
the COVID nineteen vaccine, that you can't undo the decisions
you made there.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So I don't know. I very much hope. So I
believe he should be criminally prosecuted. I believe he should
go to jail. I think he's the most damaging bureaucrat
in America's history. I think he deliberately lied to the
American people, lied to Congress under oath. The challenge of
prosecuting him for past crimes is the pardon. Now, there
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is an argument that because it was auto penned, you
could make the argument that unless you can prove that
Joe Biden was aware that he had pardoned him and
made the decision to pardon him, that the pardon is
not valid. That might possibly be litigated. I don't know
what the evidence is one way or the other. Alternatively,
you could see state prosecutors. The pardon does not immunize
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him from liability for state offenses, you could see state
prosecutors charge him. Additionally, the pardon does not eliminate civil liability,
so anyone's whose lives were lost, whose kids were hurt,
can sue the living daylights out of him. I hope
this guy gets sued for the rest of his life
for the damage he did.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
We've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
In the show, including a massive invasion of legal immigrants
in Spain, and doctor Fauci had a lot to say
sarcasm insert it right there in Washington, DC this week.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, Fauci's testimony before Congress was absolutely disgraceful. We're going
to get into that in depth, but first we're going
to talk about what is happening in Spain, because it
is outrageous, it is frightening, it is terrifying. If you
have not watched these images online, if you're watching this
on YouTube, you can see it on the YouTube show.
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If you haven't, go and Google watch it with your eyes,
because I can with my voice. Due justice to what's
happening in Spain. Spain is being invaded thousands upon thousands
of people from Morocco are coming over one after the
other after the other, and there's not another word to
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describe it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
It is an invasion.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It reminds me very much of what happened in Texas
on the southern border, and in particular in Del Rio.
And if you remember Del Rio, which is a town
in the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas. It's a
town of about thirty thousand people, and in one day,
more than ten thousand Haitian illegal immigrants crossed the Rio
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grand crossed into the United States, into the small town
of Del Rio. It was an absolute invasion.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I was there. I was there.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
In fact, I filmed it and put out the video
of what was happening in Del Rio. You had thousands
upon thousands of Haitians under a bridge, under a giant overpass,
and it looked like it looked like the Third World.
It was suddenly in America. It looked like you were
in Haiti. They were just basically shanty towns. And it
was designed by the Biden administration and the drug cartels.
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The Mexican cartels made the decision to send the Haitians
to the southern border, to Del Rio, and to send
them over in an invasion and the Democrats welcomed them. Well,
the same thing is happening in Spain and it is horrifying.
And I say this without hyperbole. I think we are
witnessing civilizational suicide in Europe. They are destroying the great
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nations of Europe. And understand, this is not happening accidentally.
It's just like what happened in Texas for the four
years of the Biden administration, where the invasion was by design.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
The left hate eats the West.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yep, this is what Mandami and the other communists wants.
This is what the DSA wants when they say open borders,
when they say abolish Ice. They want this invasion for
the same purpose. It's the same reason the socialists in Spain,
who unfortunately are in control of that government, they want
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to destroy Spanish civilization, and tragically, these American leftists want
to destroy American civilization.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, I was talking about this earlier day, and
I want to get your take on this, but but
one of the things I said was I think part
of the reason why we're witnessing these types of invasions,
and really it's happening not just in Spain, but we're
seeing massive illegal immigration numbers all throughout Europe that have spiked,
and as you described it, I think it's spot on
that we're watching the crumbling of civilization and actually having
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pride in a nation. Right you just get rid of
the nation. It's kumbaiaism of the left and the communiess
and socialists. But I also think part of why this
is happening right now in Europe is Donald Trump one reelection,
got back to the White House by saying I'm going
to secure the southern border and I'm going to stop
the invasion that you're witnessing on TV the videos that
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you took. I still go back to that moment where
I think we saw the tide change, and that was
when the federal government under the Biden administration used that
forklift and raised up that bob wire in Texas and
people came flooding into America. That for me was a
picture is worth right, a thousand words, however you want
to describe it. But when you can't come to America anymore,
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the way that you were able to buy the millions
and millions under the Biden and the bomdministration combined and
the leftist policies where are you going to go next?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Europe? Europe would be your next stop.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And now they're getting what would have a lot of
people that probably would have tried to keep coming to
America if the Democrats were in charge.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well, and this is also the Islamization of Europe. These
illegal immigrants that are invading the country, they are essentially
entirely Muslim, and you're saying, you know, there was a
meme online that showed President Trump flying in Air Force
one and looking out the window and saying, my goodness,
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Pakistan is just horrible. What's happening there? And an aide
stops and says, I'm mister President, that's London. Yeah, like
Europe is deliberately and we're seeing this throughout.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Europe has allowed.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
The entire continent to face an invasion from the Middle East,
face an invasion from Africa, and it is changed the
underlying character of the continent, and you're seeing you're seeing
the consequences. Look, I think Europe is foreshadowing where the
United States will go if we don't stop this, and
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it's about ten years ahead of us. So so in
some ways, you can look to Spain and it's like
you're looking at a crystal ball, you can see. And
by the way, it'll happen faster than ten years, if
God forbid Elizabeth Warren or Gavin Newsom RAOC becomes president.
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The same invasion we're seeing in Spain, the same invasion
that we saw under Joe Biden, will happen again. And
the reason is the same, because the left, they want
these illegal immigrants to destroy Western civilization, to destroy American civilization,
to tear down the Constitution, the foundations of free enterprise,
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the foundations of rule of law. And you know, I
have to wonder what a typical Spanish citizen is thinking
right now, and listen.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
What I fear is that what they.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Might be thinking is the same thing that the idiot
voter who voted for Mandami and the other communists in
America are thinking, which is this is a great thing,
this is a wonderful thing. I don't know if they're
looking away and just just averting their eyes or if
they think wonderful, what a blessing. But I'll tell you
one thing that is deeply chilling about these images, the
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videos that are coming up. The videos I saw, there
was not a single woman, or there was not a
single child yeah, these are all military age men. There
are men from about fifteen to about forty and they're
coming one after the other, after the other after the other.
And by the way, like one fellow on Twitter put it,
(07:39):
put out a very good question, he said, what what
is the purpose of having an army if thousands of
foreign invaders can just cross your border and invade your country?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Because that is what is happening.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And and by the way, no vetting.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Let's be clear they there there was a there was
a really interesting video that got released and showed the
government opening up a gate and allowing men. There was
no women or children. Hundreds and hundreds are rushing. I
don't know how deep it was. I mean it could
be thousands and thousands. No one is vetting if these
are terrorists, if they're drug cartel members, if they're setting
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up chant.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And we know we know they are, We know that
they're a terrorist among them. We know that there are
cartel members members and criminals and murderers and rapists. We
know that because that's what happened in America's what's happening
there too.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And it is part of the left's design.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The left will say the same thing that we heard
when they were basically justifying the invasion into the United
States of America. These are families, These are women and children.
They're just looking for a better life. You go down
the Rio Grande, you go down to the border, and
what we were witnessing coming across the border was not
a lot of families. It was a lot of military
age men as well. It was people that were smuggling people.
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They would act like a child was their child, when
it actually really even was not their child. By the way,
the Biden administration lost well over one hundred thousand kids
that they gave to people in the US and just
disappeared into society. God knows what's happening to some of
them even to this day. But you look at Spain,
this invasion terrifies me from the standpoint center that it's
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clear that there's somebody behind it. It is orchestrated in
a way. It is the military age men. It's almost
like they're saying, we can set up a network, we
can make a ton of money, we can set up
drug cartels and drugs coming through human trafficking, like it's
setting up an apparatus. And then, as you mentioned, we
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know people on the terrorists watch lists are coming across
our southern border.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wen we caught a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We don't know how many we didn't catch or sleep
or sales there even in America. Right now Trump administration
working on that. But that's part of this conversation. We
have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, and what happened in the United States under and
the Democrats was even worse. There were many military age
men who came over. There were also families. There were
also children, the children who were physically abused, sexually abused
by the human traffickers, by adult men who essentially rented
children because for a time the policy was if you
arrived with a child, you got to stay. And so
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you saw the same children rented over and over again.
And by the way, it wasn't just more than one
hundred thousand children the Biden administration lost. It was more
than three hundred thousand children that they lost that they
had in government custody, unaccompanied miners, and they handed to
adults and they don't know where they are. They just
lost them. One of the most important things the Trump
administration has been doing is going and finding many of
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those kids and rescuing some of those kids from sexual assault,
from being sexually trafficked, from being in child labor situations,
from being physically abused, and the Democrats didn't care that.
They didn't care, they didn't do anything. And by the way,
the press didn't care. They didn't care.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
About the kids being abused.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
But I will tell you southern border, there were also
times where you saw a large influx of military age men.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I've been down the.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Southern border during Biden when I saw, for example, groups
of Chinese men. Now the last I checked, I'm no
geography expert, but China is not below our southern border.
But yet they were being brought in by human traffickers
all the way from China. I was told by customs
and border patrol at the going rate for a Chinese
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illegal immigrant to pay the coyotes was fifty thousand dollars to.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Come into this country.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And I saw groups just sitting there of military age
men by the hundreds, in groups with no kids among them,
and all Chinese like that had been apprehended, and that
the Biden administration was releasing into this country. And I
guarantee you a significant number of those Chinese military age
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men are working for the Chinese Communist Party as spies
or other subversives doing damage to this country. But look,
one of the things that we now know conclusively for
a fact is that being subject to invasion is a choice. Yes,
it's not an accident. It's not something. Look during the
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Biden administration, one of the talking points that Biden used,
that Kamala Harris used that Alojandro mayorcis us is well,
we're trying. We just can't. We're just unable to stop it.
It's just, you know, I'm sorry, we're not We're not
very good at it. They also, by.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
The way, tried.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
The gas lighting of saying the border is secure, everything's fine.
Don't believe your lying eyes. And we now know one
hundred percent certainty that was a lie. How do we
know that Because the instant Donald Trump came back into
the White House, illegal border crossings dropped ninety nine percent.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So the statement that they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Secure the border was proven exactly false. And the only
thing that changed is you had a president who would
suddenly follow the law. And and and there is one
policy question that determines illegal immigration more than anything else,
and it's not it's not, first of all, a wall
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or or personnel or boots on the ground or anything else.
It's one simple policy question. What happens when you apprehend
someone here illegally yep. And if the answer is that,
you put them on a plane, you put them on
a bus, and you send them back to the country
they came from. Everyone who comes to this country illegally,
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or just about every person is carrying with them a
cell phone. And what happens is when you start flying
them home, they call call on the phone, and they
tell tell their friends, they tell their relatives, don't come,
they won't let you stay, and the numbers drop immediately.
That's what happened at the beginning of the Trump administration.
The same thing happens on the flip side. So what
Joe Biden the democ threats did is.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They just ignored federal immigration law.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Federal immigration law says illegal immigrants who are detained, shall
be detained, shall be deported, shall is a mandatory legal word.
And they just said, we don't care, doesn't matter what
the law is, We're not going to follow it. And again,
they all have cell phones. So once they discover, hey,
when we get here, they let us go, They could
pick up the phone and call home.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I want to read to you what Pedro Sanchez, who
is the socialist Prime Minister of Spain said about this invasion.
He sent out a tweet that says, quote, the government
of Spain is fully committed to providing an immediate response
to the situation in Suta. We are mobilizing all necessary resources,
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working with Moroccan and international authorities, and preparing the necessary
measures to restore normalcy as soon as possible. I just
conveyed this to President Juan vivaslatter. This is the moment
to build solutions with responsibility and cooperation. Now that is
leftist code word for we are going to do nothing. Yeah,
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although what he may try to do, we are going
to ask that they invade our country slightly less blatantly,
so that we don't have images of them invading by
the thousand.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Just spread it out a little.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
We're fine being invaded by a Muslim horror that is
to destroying Spain, but just don't make it so obvious.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
We can't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's what he is meaning. That's what he is saying,
and it is It is the agenda, not just of
the European Socialist It is the agenda Mandami. It is
the agenda of Bernie Sanders. It is the agenda of
just about every single Democrat in the Congress. When the
DSA says we want open borders, they mean it. They
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want our civilization destroyed.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
We got to break down center.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Anthony Fauci, guy that told you who you can eat with,
how far you had to stay away from somebody when
you could go to church, couldn't go to church, you know,
bankrupted a lot of small businesses. You know that Anthony Fauci,
who also told you if you just got that shot,
we were gonna stop the spread in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Took two years of your kid's you know, education away
from them. But that guy who always found the cameras,
now all of a sudden, he's wanting to be really quiet.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Well, we had a modern day miracle play out in Washington,
d c. Number one, a legitimate saint, a saint who
saved the world, came to Congress. And number two, a
man who had an opinion on everything, who knew the
answer to every question, who's who simply shared his wisdom
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with us in volcanic eruptions, suddenly had nothing to say
if you were pissed off at the Moroccan invasion of Spain,
I promised you you were every bit as pissed off
at watching the pious, self righteous Anthony Fauci come before
Congress this week.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Now now, he.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Gave a really detailed explanation of all of his wisdom
about the COVID pandemic. I want you to listen to
the entirety of his opening statement.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
By the way, it's incredible. You don't even need to
take a sip of water. It'll be over that fast.
Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Although it pains me to do so, because of the
respect I have for the legislative branch of government and
my decades long record of cooperating with Congress. Under the
advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under
the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering
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your questions.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
By the way, sed, he's not lying in that statement
when he said my lawyers, he came in with a
I mean an r me of lawyers behind him.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Well he did.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And and mind you, this is someone who just just
a couple of years ago, in twenty twenty two, said
he quote had nothing to hide, and in twenty twenty two,
he told CNN quote, I am very happy to testify
before any Congressional oversight committee. Here, give a listen to
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what he said back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Well, if I become a punching bag, I'm a punching bag.
But I am very happy to testify before any congressional
oversight committee. I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I have.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
I can explain and validate everything that I've done. So
you know it's going to be inconvenient if they actually
are out there essentially threatening to make my life miserable.
But it's I mean, I'm going to do what I
need to do, and that is cooperate fully because we
have nothing to hide at all.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Okay, Now I got to ask a technicality question here,
because for people that are listening, can you explain to
me you get a preemptive pardon in theories? Shouldn't that
center just free you up to do exactly what the
twenty twenty two Anthony Fauci had to say there that Hey,
I'll testify before anybody. I'll tell you anything. I've already
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been pardoned. Why would your attorneys? And it was an
army of attorneys that came with into Capitol Hill, tell
you not to answer any questions at all if you've
already been.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Pardoned, because a pardon is retrospective. A pardon immunizes him
for criminal conduct he committed in the past, got prior
to the day that Joe Biden pardoned him. The pardon
does not immunize him for crimes that he commits in
the future. And the reason he pleaded the fifth is
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as alternative as he was going to lie through his
teeth and lying under oath to Congress is a fan
eleanie punishable by serious jail time. That's the reason he
pleaded the fifth, not because of past conduct, but because
he intended to lie and listen. Two significant things changed.
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Number one, Merrick Garland is no longer Attorney General. The corrupt,
politicized Biden Department of Justice is no longer there. He
could say I'm very happy to testify before Congress because
he could get up and brazenly lie with no compunction,
because the chance I mean, I mean, he could. It
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didn't matter what he said, it didn't matter what he did.
He could have shot someone in congressional hearing. And the
Biden Department of Justice was not going to do anything
about it. They knew he was lying, they didn't care.
They wanted him to lie. So not even they didn't care,
they wanted him to lie. The Trump Department of Justice,
(20:58):
if he lies under oath, you better believe they will
prosecute him and put him in jail. So but but
the critical admission is that means he intended to lie
in this here. You know, what's the second thing that changed.
The second thing that changed is his diary came out.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes, one hell of a diary. By the way, By
the way, I gotta ask, do you do you do it?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You do it?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
By the way, I don't understand anybody that does. That's
like our age. I don't get it. I've never understood it.
But like this diary was like a manifesto for narcissism.
Like if you want to say, hey, if you've got
a daughter, just tell him, don't ever marry a guy
that does this like rights this way, talks this way
about himself.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It was I mean, it's off the change narcissism.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, look that that's not an exaggeration. The diary demonstrates
this man is a narcissistic sociopath. Where where he number
one is a brazen liar, but he is so self centered,
and we on Monday's podcast we went into depth on
in terms of what the diary said. But here's his problem. So,
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for example, one of the things the diary said is
that he knew early in the pandemic. He said, we
now know that the covid virus did not come from
the Chinese wet market.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yep, now mind you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
He later on decided, no, I don't want people to
know that the covid virus came from the Wuhan Institute
for Virology, because if they know that, they're going to
figure out that it was created or modified with gain
of function research paid for by doctor Anthony Fauci, that
he was responsible for the funding the research that created
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or modified the covid virus to make it more transmissible,
to make it more deadly, to make it target humans
more effectively.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And so he was.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Covering up his own culpability when he spread the story, Oh,
this came from just you know, bats at the wet market.
We know in writing he said, early on, we know
for a fact this did not originate in the wet market.
The wet market simply amplified it. But it did not
originate there. So why did he plead the fifth Because
(23:19):
if he repeated that lie, he would immediately be confronted
with his diary and he would be asked, were you
lying when you told Congress? The opposite, his choice would
be one of two things. Number one, admit yes, I'm
a liar, don't believe anything I said, and mind you
(23:43):
when I say narcissists.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Remember this is someone who, in the midst of.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
COVID said, when you criticize me, you are criticizing science.
I am the science, and science with like a trademark.
I mean, he embodied science, and he's not capable of
saying I'm an unprincipled, shameless liar. So the alternative is
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he would lie and say no, no, no, I was telling
the truth. That would be perjury. Or it's actually not perjury.
Technically it's lying under oath, which is different from perjury
but punishable the same as a felony. And so likewise,
another instance, he says in his diary how proud he was,
how thrilled he was when he called Democrat politicians in
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New York and in California and convinced them to shut
down schools convince them to shut down churches, convince them
to shut down small businesses, and those decisions had catastrophically
devastating consequences. Shutting down the schools, I think we will
look back in history as the school shut down as
the most inexplicable, damaging public policy decision of modern times.
(24:56):
The data now show that because tens of millions of
k kids had their schools shut down for more than
a year, the Democrat politicians that we have witnessed the
single largest learning loss in recorded history since we began
measuring it. We also saw the racial gap, the divide
between African American kids and white kids, and the divide
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between Hispanic kids and white kids, grow more during the
COVID shutdowns than again in any period since we began
measuring it. Well after everyone saw what a disaster the
shutdowns were, Fauci repeatedly went on TV and said, Oh,
I didn't urn shutdowns. I wasn't in favor of shutdowns.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
O don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
That wasn't me, That wasn't me, That wasn't me. We
now know.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
We knew it then, but we now know conclusively out
of his own words in the diary, that was a lie.
He didn't want to be questioned about that lie, which
is why he said, you know how many times he
pleaded the fifth?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Uh, well, like one hundred and eleven, hundred and ten times.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It was crazy, one hundred and eleven times. It was
utterly shameless. Watching him one hundred and eleven times plead
the fifth and refuse to answer anything.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Was was infuriating.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And also the contemptuous arrogance with which he did so
made it even more infuriating. Here listen to this exchange
where Josh Holly's questioning it.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
What day of the week is it today? On the
divisive Council?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I respectfully declined to and se based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
What color tie you're wearing on the advisive Council?
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I respectfully declined to a SA based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
What colors the carpet in front of you on the
advisive Council?
Speaker 8 (26:46):
I respectfully declined to and se based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean it's You couldn't have written this type
of absurdity compared to the entire Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
We've known, you know, post COVID nineteen.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, look that that's right, and and and he's going
to have a real problem. So so the next step, uh,
it is going to be a vote to hold him
in contempt to Congress.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, and that was announced by Senator Paul like instantly
after us.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yes and and and and listen. It starts with a
vote in his gag the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee,
which ran chairs and that's where, uh, where Fauci was
testifying and where he was subpoena And my my full
expectation is that that vote will be party line. That
that that that uh, that committee has an eight to
seven Republican majority, So I'm assuming all eight Republicans will
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vote for it, and I assume all seven Democrats will
vote against it, and and and then it will go
to the floor and and we'll have some procedural wrangling
and battling it. It may well require sixty votes, but
we'll see how that fight go. But either way, Fauci
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is going to have a real problem claiming that the
Fifth Amendment right, it protects him because he has a
blanket pardon. So once you have a pardon. The same
thing is true, like, once you're given immunity, you can't
claim the Fifth because the Fifth Amendment is a right
to be protected from legal jeopardy, and a pardon makes
the legal jeopardy go away. And so his argument for
(28:29):
refusing to answer questions about the past is a really
weak argument. I assume he will do some version of saying, well,
this is a perjury trap. They're trying to trap me
in perjury. There's a simple response to that, is the
way to avoid a perjury trap is don't lie, ye
(28:51):
tell the truth. And I know the guy is an
inveterate liar and he can't help himself, but you know,
he could just agree with what he wrote in his diary.
I don't know if his position was I was lying
to my diary. And by the way, when it comes
to a narcissist, you also see him just so excited.
(29:11):
Oh CNN's calling, Oh this place is calling.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Oh they love me.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh I'm a rock star. Oh they're jealous of me.
Oh I'm so cool. Oh I'm so amazing. Like it
it really was. I mean, there are aspects of the
diary that almost read like the unibomber manifesto.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I mean it's it is.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Not even giving it a fair assessment like that's under
that's two mild in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah no, And this was so look, I will enthusiastically
vote to hold Anthony Fauci in contempt.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So what does that mean though for like average Americans
that say, okay, so what like, then what happens?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The Department of Justice can can prosecute the contempt holding.
So you recall back during during Obama, the House of
Representatives voted to hold Eric Holder, the Attorney General.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
In contempt.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
YEP, that contempt finding is not self executing. What happens then,
and the House did it during during Obama as they
referred it to the Justice Department. Now, the person who
made the decision what to do on that would be
Eric Holder. And oddly enough, Eric Holder did not want
to prosecute Eric Holder for contempt of Congress, so he
(30:29):
did nothing. I mean, it was completely it was And
by the way, that's why Fauci was not worried at
all about testifying before Congress as long as the Biden
Justice Department was there, because they will never hold him
to account for anything. He felt completely protected and immunized.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
And safe.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It never occurred to him, like it was truly unthinkable
to this narcissist that Donald Trump could be re elected.
That is a nightmare beyond anything he could have imagined.
And now suddenly he has a Department of Justice that
will hold him in contempt. And and look, my assumption,
I don't know this, but I actually assume on this
(31:11):
contempt finding, I think all fifty three Republicans would would
vote to hold him in contempt.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I don't know that we would lose anyone. I hope
we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Certainly an easy, easy vote for me. But but look,
there there are some issues on which we all know
the fifty three Republicans that we lose some on different questions.
I'd be surprised if we lost anyone.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I mean, it was you couldn't watch.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
This this exchange without just just being infuriated beyond words.
And and you know, the there's just an arrogance that
that that this man. Look you know when when when
we started started the pod and I said, you know,
we saw a saint testify the degree to which the
(32:03):
Democrats and the media deified him like actually saint is
too low. He was above saints. He was a god
they believe, if they believed it, if they believed in God,
they would say that.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
But he was.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
He was the.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Equivalent of a god to them. And he still thinks
he is. He thinks he is untouchable.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it is amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Final question, do you believe we will ever see Anthony
Fauci held accountable criminally for what he did to this country?
The lies he told, I mean, he ruined people's lives financially,
he ruined people's families, He ruined people's ability to celebrate.
He ruined people's ability to even like bury their family members.
(32:49):
There are a lot of people that think the lies
that he told, and also I think a lot of
people feel like he lied to them straight up on
the COVID nineteen vaccine, that you can't undo the decisions
you made there.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
So I don't know. I very much hope. So I
believe he should be criminally prosecuted. I believe he should
go to jail. I think he's the most damaging bureaucrat
in America's history. I think he deliberately lied to the
American people, lied to Congress under oath. The challenge of
prosecuting him for past crimes is the pardon. Now, there
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is an argument that because it was auto penned, you
could make the argument that unless you can prove that
Joe Biden was aware that he had pardoned him and
made the decision to pardon him, that the pardon is
not valid. That might possibly be litigated. I don't know
what the evidence is one way or the other. Alternatively,
you could see state prosecutors. The pardon does not immunize
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him from liability for state offenses, you could see state
prosecutors charge him. Additionally, the pardon does not eliminate civil liability,
so anyone's whose lives were lost, whose kids were hurt,
can sue the living daylights out of him. I hope
this guy gets sued for the rest of his life
for the damage he did.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
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