January 8, 2026 • 43 mins
Angel Massie Addresses RHOP Rumors, Cast Drama, and Where She Stands With the Ladies
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
His way up with Angela Yee and the timing for
this guest is impeccable. Angel Massey is here from Real
House as a Potomac. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Thank you for having me. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yes, me too, girl. I want to ask you. Let's
turn up through the interview like this, Okay, what did
you envision when you joined the cast this season? And
then we'll talk about what actually happened? But what was
your thoughts when you're like, Okay, it's going.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
To be this, Well, you know what, I thought that
I would be able to come into this group and
you know, have some commonality with everybody and be a peacemaker.
You know. Of course being shady comes along with the territory, right,
so I expected some lady shade, but I really expected
to kind of be a bridge between people, and clearly
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that didn't happen. I'm the mote.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, you know, it's interesting to me because I see
and I know like you. You're an entrepreneur, you have
a home in Colorado that has been featured. You've also
got a lot of background in the space of production,
and I'm a median girl journalism. Yeah, so I figure
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in my head, I was like, Okay, she's going to
join and she'll know how to play the game. But
it's so different when you get in there and you
don't have as much control.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
No, And I think that the number one rule in
journalism is always don't become the story right, And so
I think that I think that when that happens, it's
a little shocking and unmooring. It can be because you
just expect to have a different measure of control around
your story, around how you are perceived and how I
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guess the other ladies perceive you. And that's not true.
And one thing that I have learned where housewives are
concerned is they're going to think what they want to think,
and they're even gonna make shit ups give the language.
So I think that you just have to have thickcker
skin than you would in normal life because you're going
to endure things that you probably wouldn't. You know, normally,
(02:02):
if you don't like somebody, you can just go off
and never see them again, you know what I mean.
But you party, but you meeting up for bruns, you
meeting up for dinner to fight, You meet to fight,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's not just when it happens, it's also the aftermath
of when it actually airs, and then everybody's weighing in
from what they've seen exactly from what they've seen.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That's like the point. I hadn't watched the season until
this past weekend because I, yes, I needed to give
myself that space and break, you know, when the filming rap,
I went back to being a businesswoman and a mommy,
you know, And so there wasn't really time for me
to mull over what happened and then decide that I
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was going to watch these episodes on time because when
the show airs, I'm putting my babies to bed, you know.
So I knew that eventually I will watch the whole
season in one big lump and then process it. And
boy have I watched it, And boy have I processed it.
I mean, it is kind of shocking to see how
much went on behind my back.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So oh yeah, because you get to hear people's conversations
about you.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, and they talked about you a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Now listen, I do want to say though, that is
a gift and a curse. They talked about you a lot.
But then in a way, when it comes to reality, TV.
That means you're an important part of the storyline. But
then in an other way, my mental health my mental health.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But you know what I had about a decade ago,
my mom passed away, and I think that going through
Greek counseling and finding peace and kind of calm through
mindfulness because my mom was my best thing, you know.
I think that it has helped me to deal with
situations that are emotionally charged or harder better than I
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would have if I didn't have that experience. So a
lot of people see how hard of a time I'm having,
but I'm doing okay with it. All right.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Now, let's talk about some things that have happened, because,
like we said, it's only what we get to see.
So I want to hear the real story from you
because as clearly, some things are truncated so we don't
see the full picture. All right, all right, So this
last episode, the Tips of Colorado, I will say I
think you really shined on that episode because it feels
like it did it take a while, you think to
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adjust and get your footing and how to handle and
deal with situations.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, I couldn't tell if people were acting or if
they were being real or what was really happening. And
I think that when I finally because you see a
lot of these women meeting up to talk about me, right,
and so I'm not apprised to that situation happening. And
so when I see them in person and the energy
is weird, I'm like, well, what's happening. But finally, you know,
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Ashley tries to confront me with this whole eviction storyline.
And that's really the first time besides what Gizelle did
at dinner and Nevis, that somebody had said something to
me to my face, and so you see me reacting
and you see me kind of taking aback, and then
I'm like, oh, this is what's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, let's talk about the eviction storyline that she had
because you were moving, but you had a short term rental, right,
is that correct?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So here's the whole Okay, I want to get a
whole right, So, starting in twenty twenty three, I hit
up k and asked her for her realtor because I
knew that she had just acquired a new condo, and
so she connected me with them, and we had been
working together to try and find a Maryland property because
I'm from Maryland, like you know, born, raised, school, all
those different things. All my whole family is there.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Let's clear that up too, because everybody's like, she live
in Colorado for real, not only coming here to be
on the show.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
No, no, no, I'm from Maryland. I'm from Baltimore, Maryland. And
so my father, who was seventy eight, is still there,
my sister is still there, my niece is still there,
my mother is buried there, My roots are there. Okay, right,
so let's be clear about that. I had been looking
for a home from Colorado in Maryland for the past
two years before I even thought about joining this show.
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We had been looking on Zillo looking for different houses,
but it's nothing like being in person to experience a home. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You can't just pick a home, no online site unseying.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So we were like, okay, let's come back here. What
we'll do is we'll give ourselves a time limit to
try and find a house. We've been looking, We've been close,
and so if we don't find something for the time being,
will enroll the kids in school in Colorado because they
have to go to school and we have this home already.
So if we don't find something, we'll go back and
we'll still keep looking that. It was simple as that,
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Like the powers that be knew that I wasn't there
full time. They knew that my story was that I
was coming back to look for a house. It wasn't
a shock for anyone. And when it came to that
short term rental, right, which is on airb me so
you can check out the price, fourteen thousand, five hundred
dollars a months, not a month, right, thousand dollars a
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month point me like literally nothing. And so what happened
is basically we were going to move into a bigger
spot for the time being on July eleventh, but the
person who owned the home thought it was July first.
So I get this message from them saying you've been great,
like you know, here's what you need to do before
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you go. You're like, and I'm like, wait a second,
I this is not the right time, you know, And
they're like, oh my gosh, We're so sorry. But we
had already rented it out. And so what they did.
I told the producers they asked me to, you know,
if I would be willing to show it. I did
not really want to, but I'm trying to be a
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team player is reality. I'm trying to give access to
my life, so I do that. They have Tia and
Kiarana come over. They don't really pack any boxes. It's
just the scene to show what's happening to me in
my life currently. And then Tia proceeds to leave and
call Gazelle tell her her version of what happened. Wow.
I didn't appreciate that, but me and Tia have already
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talked about it, which yeah, because she said that it
wasn't meant in any mean spirit, but Giselle is a
mean spirited person, and so she turned it into something
that it wasn't okay. And as you can see, I
arrived two hours late to Potomac and Pony because number one,
it wasn't in Potomac. It was almost at the top
of Maryland, and it took us forever to get there
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because I made in this new rental that we moved into.
I made handmade or from scratched corn bread and beans
for the thing, So you know, I'm in a new house.
I order and stuff. I'm like really trying to make
this effort to be there, to show that I want
to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And they also said your husband Bobby didn't want to
be there because when he was called, he was like.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, he said we'll get there when we get there.
And I stand on that, and he should have said that,
and they deserved it. They should have heard it. And
then code switching, Ashley is trying to dog whistle him
being an aggressive black man, and I didn't appreciate that. Okay,
she doesn't know him from Adam.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's very naves me feel that it's a party. You
don't have to be there, no, like you can come late. Yeah,
but I would, but it is okay to say, hey,
we're running late when you know you're running late.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, here's the thing I agree with you. I had had.
What you didn't see is that two people had called
me beforehand, okay, right before called me, and then Keana
was the third call. So by the third call, we
were like, we are on the way, you know what
I mean, everyone knew that we were running behind. I
text several people there and said we were running behind.
(09:20):
So we were running behind. Yeah, but you know what,
they just wanted my ass to arrive early so that
they could try to shame me. This is yankee fish.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You feel like this is a hazing, you know, just
this being your first season. It's like, okay, because one
thing that has been said throughout the show is that
they showed a whole mindtage of you saying I just
want to get to know the ladies better. I want
to spend some time, and people were saying they didn't
feel like you really did want to get to know
them better.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well I did, Okay, I really did, and I tried hard,
and I don't think that, uh, if I didn't want
to get to know them, I wouldn't have invited them
to my house more than one time after the first
time when they acted up like I wouldn't have shown
up the way that I did. I wouldn't have tried
so hard. And it's unfortunate because you don't you know,
it's only forty four minutes of the show, so you
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don't get to see scenes where I'm one on one
with Stacy, or where I'm one on one with Ashy Ashley,
or where I'm inviting the women two more things than No,
I'm just kidding, she is Ashy. She is Ashy Ashy Ashley.
But yeah, you don't get to see those things and
that's unfortunate because it kind of looks like I was
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on an island by myself. But I was trying to
get to know them. I mean, I remember during filming
to Zelle lost Power and I text her and I say,
you know, if you want to come over to take
a bath or do any of that stuff, please feel
free bring your kids, you know. Invited Wendy to lunch
with me so that we could hash out things on
our own. I mean, gave Ashley a toolbox and said, look,
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I want to build a bridge to getting to know you,
like I did the work. And that's why you see
me feel so kind of really hard at the mean
girl antics and really the rejection when to me, I've
not done anything but at human, which is respond when
someone is unkind to me.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, I know it must have been hard for
you for the fact that you couldn't even watch it
until this last episode.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, I needed to separate myself a little bit from
it because one, the unkindness was directed towards me, and
two I just do not like to see black women
treat each other that way. And that's not the type
of narrative that I wanted to be a part of
joining this group and I find myself in the center
of it, and so it's really kind of jarring.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
What was it helpful to have Keana there as your friend?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, because we would look across each other and be like, girl,
you see this bullshit and you see this are we
going crazy? And it would be really just kind of
grounding because sometimes when you're going through something, you wonder
if it isn't me, like you know what I mean,
but really the mess is calling from in the house
because they are the mess. So I think it was
nice to have that. And it was also nice to
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form relationships with like Tia and Stacey and have that commonality.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
What was the conversation that you and Well, you said
that Tia kind of cleared up that she didn't present
things in the way that Giselle made it seem, so
at least y'all spoke to each other, because sometimes that
conversation doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, and they can carry over. I kind of realized
that I had an AHA moment at Monique's book party
because I'm like, now, how I wonder how the heck
did Gizelle know what was going on with me? And
then I said, Tia did you tell Jiselle that what
was happening? She was like, yeah, I didn't mean it
like that, And I'm like, okay, Well, even if you
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didn't mean it like that, that's not cool because if I
wanted her there, she would have been there. But she
apologized and she said that she was just trying to
guard he support from me. And the funny thing is
that Giselle, Ashley and Wendy actually called me on FaceTime
and Gazelle says, how you doing? What's going on? You okay?
And I'm like, yeah, I'm okay, Welly, I wouldn't I
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be okay? And she's leading up to trying to find
out what's happening with me. But then I see this
other scene where they're sitting around Kei ki in and
apparently Wendy knows this mystery realtor that I work with.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So you know what the reltor is that she's talking about. Yes,
do you believe that realtor really said?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
She didn't I talk to her and see that's what
she didn't anticipate because she doesn't know they want to
make on the spot. Yeah, but if you notice, Wendy
immediately pipes up and say it says, Stacey, you didn't
want to call TJ at the reunion, did you? And
I'm like, oh, okay, this didn't really happen.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And this is the realtor that, according to them, one
you wanted an apartment that looked like fourteen thousand dollars
but only costs a thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It looked like fifty thousand dollars, okay, but it only
costs a thousand. First of all, I would be crazy.
You can't because I don't know who dollars? Okay, you
can't even get a storage units dollars a month at
this point. So when I talked to my friend, mind you,
I've known this woman longer than Wendy has. She's an
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award winning realtor, and she said, first of all, I
would not put my career reputation on the line by
discussing a client's needs or wants with Wendy. And number two,
this conversation didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Because that's not fair because it also made her seem unprofessional.
That was also the what type of unprofessional realtor? Exactly
all about.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Your business and know and with a commission on the line,
you know what I mean? So I just feel and
larger than a commission, a reputation. And so I just
when I finally saw the Shenanigans over the weekend, I was.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like, Oh, that is so crazy that you're just seeing that. Okay,
so let's flash back to some other things that happen
on this season. And then, of course I want to
talk about your business because I love to talk about
real estate, but I like also the outdoors, and I
also feel like, can I book.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
A little Wonderland outdoors trip on me?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But let's talk about a couple of other things now.
There also was a scene where they were saying that
you stole money from your husband when you guys were dating. Yeah,
now I want you to I was lucky to clear
that out because it never was really like fleshed out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Number one, Ashley is lying, she knows nothing of the
situation or about the situation, and so I'm gonna run
it down right quick. Me and Bobby had only been
dating for like four or five months. There was another
and I don't want to say wag. I hate wag.
The reason I said wag so much on the season
was because I was asked questions about being a wag
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not because I'm upset, like stand not being a being one.
So long story short, I had gotten to know this
other girl whose boyfriend at the time played on the team.
We're getting to know each other. Bobby played on the
O line, and so they went out to lunch or
dinner or something, and he's like, here, take my card.
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I'm going to treat you guys to lunch or dinner whatever.
The women at the same time. And so I'm there
at the dinner and I tell this girl, you know what,
Bobby is used to giving so much to people and
not having anything in return. I bought him a trip
to Jamaica myself, because mind you, I'm a journalist and
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a media girly at this point, I'm a decade into
my career, so I have my own coins, which is
part of what attracted me to him for him to me.
And and so I tell her this story, and I'm
going about my married business, thinking it's going to be
a surprise for him, right because Christmas is coming up
or whatever. And so I go home to Maryland. Me
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and Bobby aren't living together. I was living in Maryland,
and he gives me a call and he says that
his financial advisor and his mentor called him up and
they're like, this girl is spreading a story around that
you stole money out of his account to buy a trip, right,
which is obviously the complete opposite of what actually happened.
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They're like, we already checked your account, there's no money.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Laws.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
This girl is crazy. Do with what you will with
this information. So he shares the information with me. Yeah,
because why would he marry you exactly after that figure out?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Because that story was never seless.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So I confronted this girl and I told her everything
that I knew that happened, and she apologized, and you know,
I'm kind of young back then, so I'm like, I
want to see you at another game, you know what
I mean? Because she tried to single white female men,
you know, And so she doesn't come to any more
a lot more games for the rest of the season
because she was not wanting the confrontation with me. But
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I was justified in saying that to her because she
tried to ruin my life. Yeah. No, absolutely, And the
fact that it's coming back up now is crazy because
this was twenty sixteen, and I've actually made peace with
this girl, you know, So I didn't want to give
too many details on what happened, because if you if
someone apologizes to you and it took us a long
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time to get to this place, then you have to
let it go and try my best to protect her privacy.
But it was really foul to even bring it up
it all on a trip, because if you got to
know me and you thought I was cool, and you
thought what you had heard or tried to find out
about me wasn't untruth, then just let it go. What's
the point, you know? And so I think that for
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me at that moment, if I could have gone back
in time, maybe I would have brushed it off my shoulders.
But at the time, owing to all the things that
had happened on that trip, it just felt like another
gotcha moment for me. You know what.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Also, this last episode, you took everybody to Colorado, that
was the trip, and you had some of them, most
of them staying in a different house, except for Tia
and k who stayed with you in your home. There
was a separate house and they were upset that they
didn't know that was going to happen. Now I could
tell your hierarchy based on who got what room. Yeah, Okay,
Now Wendy got a whole entire floor she did to herself.
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But throughout it it felt like Wendy took shots at you.
But then you said, you guys had a conversation, but
we didn't get a chance to see that. I don't
feel like no, So tell me what happened with that.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So long story short. The originally the trip was supposed
to be a couple's trip, and so my house in
Colorado is six bedrooms, six bathrooms like and and a
lot of those bedrooms my kids live in, and my
husband and I live in. So not everyone was ever
going to be able to stay it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You don't need no grown people staying in the kids room,
you know what exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I wasn't gonna yeah my family out. The situation was
always going to be that I was going to acquire
a home for all the couples to stay in. But
not everybody is in a couple. Most of the ladies
aren't in a couple. So the trip had to change,
and it had to change at the last minute. And unfortunately,
in Colorado, millions of people book there stays ahead of
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time for the summertime because it is a high traffic time.
And so by time the house was booked, that was
what was available. Okay, you know I mean, And so
I had to figure out if I wanted them to
stay closer to the activities that they were going to
do or closer to where I lived. And it seemed
to make more sense for them to stay closer to
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the activities that they were gonna do instead of having
to drive an hour to them to those things like
I was gonna have to drive an hour from my
house to do. So, I mean, I got asked to
show my home on camera. I got asked to share
my heart of Osama. The ladies thank you, and that's
what I did. And I opened up my world to
them and I did the best that I could do
with that. And you know, I'm a newbie, and I'm
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putting the cash trip on my back. So it's not
an easy situation for me because there are all these
unsaid expectations that I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was like that was like I did the trip
to Nevis.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, but this is her first successful trip. Let's not
forget that she hosted an event in the parking lot
of her home and she wouldn't even let the ladies
go to the bathroom in her house. She had them
paying outside like puppies. I mean, come on, Giselle, you
cannot say all you have to say when you were
the type of host to leave somebody's name off of
all the gifts you gave them Anievas, don't don't let let's.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Not do that, all right, But so did you give
them a heads up that they were staying in a
different place or where they caught off guard?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I mean, I didn't tell them that they were staying
at my house, but I didn't explicitly say you're staying
at another house. But I think that I thought that
that was implied. But perhaps I could have communicated that better.
But I invited them to Colorado, not come stay at
my home. You'll come to my home, but not stay
at my home.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So Ashley and Gizelle ended up having to share a room. Yes,
but we see in the trailer for the next episode,
Gizzelle is going to book her own place.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yes she does, she does, Okay, she does.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So what does that mean for the relationship moving forward
after that?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Is? You know what, now that I have seen the episodes,
there is no relationship. I have seen how she has
talked about me behind my back. I have seen how
she has apologized and and then gone right behind my
back and talked about me. I've seen how she wished
ill and terrible times on my trip. I've seen how
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she has acted behind my back. And people are asking,
why do you come from Wendy? Why do you come
from Wendy instead of Gazelle and Ashley. The one thing
I can give Wendy credit for is that she acted
funky a little bit to my face and I couldn't
figure out what it was. But that's because she couldn't
hide that she was talking about me behind my back.
With Ashley and Giselle, they acted perfectly cool, perfectly normal
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to my face until they were ready to flip on
me with fake information that they had supplied by Wendy.
So I think that it was hard for me to
act in real time until I had actual evidence that
they were treating me crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So what about Ashley? What are your thoughts on her now?
After watching everything?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Not a fan of Ashley, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
About her dating series's son.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think that it is really out of pocket. I
understand having a smooch, well, I think that she had
more than smooch because on Watch What Happens Live she
said that she thought charae I mean not Charie Charise
was gonna catch her on the ring camera and kind
of that's gross, Like, first of all, if you really
were feeling her son, then why couldn't you come like
a woman before you did something, or maybe right after
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the first kiss, and said, hey, this is what happened.
It didn't have to turn into a storyline. You should
have had more respect for her than that. You have
known her for a long time. I saw where on
Giselle's podcast she says that Charise used to call Ashley
her daughter in law. Well, if that was the case
and it was really going to happen, then she should
have felt comfortable enough to come to her, but instead
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she did it behind her back. She has seen this
man since he was young, and what I know from
having a niece around his age is that the maturity
level is not the same as someone my age. It's
just not. And so you need to ask and find
out if she's comfortable with that, rather than doing a
gotcha in front of friends and family at an event.
(23:57):
This was an event for kids. Yeah, what will make
you think that that was the appropriate time to say
this and to divulge this information. And I'm telling you
I was right there in his face. He was mortified,
Oh was he?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Because I saw Stacy was like I would have taken
that to the grain.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I agree with her. I would have never said a
damn thing about it. And you know, it's giving. I
don't know, it's given something that it shouldn't give. It's given.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Kind of weird now, and I will say this, she's
thirty seven, right, he's twenty seven. But it's the fact
that she didn't know him, yeah, from when he was young.
And it's also a little different when it's like your
friend's kid.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it's different because you know, she's thirty seven, he's
twenty five. And so if it happened what two to
three years ago, so this man was twenty two. I mean,
come on, my niece is twenty two right now. It's
like it is literally like me like being like, damn, Aris,
who is your classmate? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It's like, yeah, that sounds creepy, this sounds weird. Say
it's not illegal, it's just yeah, but you know, just
because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's not kind of
creepy and morally suspect. Now, how do you feel looking
back and we've everything that's been happening with Wendy and Eddie,
what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
None? It is shocking based off the fact of who
she presents herself to be and how highly she speaks
of herself and everything that she's done for herself in
her life, and nothing's to be taken away from her
full degrees. But I think that you wouldn't think that
someone like that would encounter those type of problems. And
(25:26):
so I am willing to wait and reserve judgment until
she has her day in court because I'm not like
her and willing to make light of her misery.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So you guys did have a conversation. What was said
that you and Wendy like that? You know that you
gave her the whole downstairs with her own room, and
I you.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
See throughout the season that I really tried to mend
fences with her. I mean, do you think.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's that her and Kay don't get along? That maybe
made you have your own preconceived notion.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
See, the one thing is that I'm not like that.
I told Kay. You see in the scene where me
and Kay are walking along the canal. I tell her,
just talk to her. You see me in the scene
where Kay is having her event and her SPA and
I say, well, how do you know something didn't happen
to her kids? And you know, I get ding, don't
I get chin checked for that? You know what I mean? Yeah?
(26:17):
And so you see me. You don't get to see
me go to Wendy's house, but I drove two hours
from where I was in Potomac to where she was
almost at the Pennsylvania state line to meet her and
her lovely children and her husband. And then you see
the next day she does what I feel like is
a party foul because she still doesn't know me like that,
and gets between me and Kay having this resolution right
(26:40):
at the end, right, but even then at Preakness when
we arrive, I tell her, I come up to her,
I talk to her by herself, and I say, listen,
if I missread your energy, I apologize, But it felt
like you were coming from me. We didn't get to
see that on the season, unfortunately, but that's something that happened.
But then after that, it's almost like she was never
able to let go of what she perceived to be
(27:02):
a slight right. I'm not a woman who tows the line.
If you don't like me or how I present myself
based off of who I am, that's that's like not
my problem, you know what I mean. And so throughout
the season, I make these over chers to try and
get along with her. But watching it back, I feel
dumb as hell because I see every chance she gets,
she's saying something nasty about me behind my bag, something
(27:26):
truly nasty, And so I want to like, why fake
the funk? Just say everything that you had to say
behind my back to my face? Which did you want
to wait until the reunion? Like I don't understand the energy?
And so her having this whole narrative Angels obsessed with
me and Angel will talk about me, how I mean this,
Angel will do this and this and that. I think
that that is really her. That's just a red heiring, Like.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Do you think because I've seen people say that they
felt like Kay wasn't taken up for you enough, what
are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Watching I think that I'm a grown woman, and I
think that I can take up from myself, and I
think that not every friendship is the same, and I
think that when she needs to take up for me,
she does, and vice versa. And I think that people
shouldn't try and put their standards of friendship on ours
because I can stand on my own too.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Okay, that's good, because sometimes you see people's friendships on
shows like this. We've seen people fall out with each other,
people who were best friends are not friends anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, we're still tight. I'm not gonna let people that
I have known for two seconds come between a friendship
that I've had for so long. I mean, this is
a woman who did my mother's hair who's no longer here.
So you're gonna really think that just because somebody has
something to say about her that I'm gonna drop it. No,
that has to come from us, and we are better
(28:42):
than ever now.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I want to talk about Wonderland outdoors and so I
and I really would have loved for them, you know.
And I'm sure part of the reason why you did
this show had to be because you do have a business, right,
and so we don't want to discount that, because that's
what it's all about, right. It is supposed to be
about you kind of talking about what you have going on.
Why would you be on there without anything to promote.
(29:04):
Do you feel like that wasn't really shown? No, okay,
so I want to talk about it now.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
No. I shot so much. I shot staff meetings, I
shot me booking things, I shot me. There were so
many meetings I have with Bobby because he is my
co founder, where we're talking about opening Wonderland Atlantic. There
was so much and unfortunately there's so much, so much time,
and I don't know if I was born talking about that.
But you know, it's just work, it's just business, and
(29:33):
you know, it's such a big part of my life.
Wonderland is. And it's crazy to just watch the show
back and kind of witness a little bit of a
rature where who I actually am is concerned because I
feel like.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It wasn't really mentioned at all.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
A big tart of me is that I'm a businesswoman.
A big part of me is that I waited to
marry in my thirties because I wanted to fully flesh
out my career. I waited to have children and tell
my mid thirties in my late thirties so that I
could realize my own ambitions. And you really kind of
don't get to witness that out of me wanderland outdoors
is has was birthed out of my love of the outdoors.
(30:12):
And when I was working in media, I created this
hiking group called Pretty Girls Hiker and we used to
go out and eat and hike together and just have
this community. And then Bobby is a huge fisherman, and
so when we first started dating, one of the ways
that we would bond would we'd be flying to go
fishing places. And one of the places that we would
(30:33):
fly to was Colorado during his football bye week. So
we would go there, we would fly fish, and we
would enjoy our time with an outfitter. And we thought
to ourselves, Hey, one day, why don't we do this.
You will see a lot of black guys in the outdoors.
You don't see a lot of black fly fishing or
hiking guides. And really it was birthed out of the
idea that we really wanted to get people in the outdoors,
(30:56):
no matter what they look like, no matter what their race, sexuality,
color creed, any of that is. We want people to
be able to experience the outdoors in a luxurious way.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Let me tell you from New York and so you know,
it's not that easy for us to have that space.
But I love about it. I have an airbnb Upstate
New York and the Catskills. I'm gonna show it to you.
But there's a lot of hiking around there.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Maybe we can.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Train, let's do it, let's, you know, start something where
people could take their trips down. Love that luxury space also,
But that's why I like the entrepreneurship aspect. I do
wish I would have seen some more of that because
I also think about like even I'm good friends with
Don now Rawlings. They go to Yellow Springs, Ohio. He
(31:38):
bought a house there and now he's out on the river.
It's like a whole different feeling when you're from these
urban places, these cities, and then you get to go
into nature.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It is it is like a release. You're able to
be yourself. And you know, there's really something in nature
called fighter kines that trees release and it is tantamount
to take an anti anxiety medicine. When you smell it,
your nervous system automatically kicks into that rest and digest
and you are able to really just calm yourself and
be yourself and really be embodied. And that's the part
(32:10):
of the reason why I wanted to take these ladies
to Colorado. I wanted them to explore that with me
and to feel good. But kind of like Gizelle says,
she doesn't like peace and calm, she likes mess, you know,
And so you kind of see that playing out over
the course of this Colorado trip. They don't even really
allow me to show my business because they are with
the Shenan against the entire time.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean, there's one part where you guys are meditating. Yeah,
and I want to talk about that scene because that
was an opportunity for people, but it felt like people
weren't taking it that serious one and it was.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Very disrespectful because this is a show, yes, but Bianca
is our head movement guide. She does work with us.
I do employ her for different opportunities for Wonderland, and
so I was kind of embarrassed by them, to be honest,
because this is a woman, an indigenous, this woman who
is sharing her healing and her practice with you, and
(33:03):
you're being disrespectful by talking and getting up and shifting
and moving and doing all the different things. And it's
not in an effort to be grounded in the experience.
It's in an effort to be disrespectful, and that says
a lot about their character, it really does.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And they also been like, well, why aren't you sitting
on the floor with us?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Because I was trying to give them.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Space, right, You're like, I do this, Yeah, this is
an opportunity to try something different.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, and I could have sat down, but then what
are they going to do? Stand? I was actually being
a good host.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
See, I'm glad you clear that up, because the way
it looks, it looks.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I was trying to tower over them. But no, it's
just like a little bitty place for them to be.
It was really crowded, so I decided to not be
one of the people who are on a yoga mat. Instead,
I sat up there a little bit uncomfortable so everybody
else could be comfortable. And it's crazy how that perception
can be turned around.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
What do you so, are you feeling like you would
do another season?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I am feeling like I am going to be in
the present moment and see how my feelings are after
the reunion is over. It's really important to me to
be honest with myself. We did finally close on our
Potomac home. Okay, congratulations, Thank you so much, and so
(34:21):
we are undergoing like that renovation process and we are
back and forth really really really like a lot now.
So I just think that I just have to figure
out what it looks like for me. I have to
figure out what it looks like for me. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Now, Bobby stayed out the mix pretty much during this season.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He's just respectful. You know, you don't have who else's
husband hangs around the girlies. And it would be one
thing if it was like the other guys were around
and he was coming to hang out with them while
we hung out.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But like, what's he supposed to do though, because we
don't see the men hanging out together like we might
see on other shows where they have their own.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And you know, the guys they have a good rapport
with each other when they are in person together. But
what did these women expect for Bobby to come and
do a key key with them, you know, over some drinks.
That's not how it works in real life. He's not
gonna do that. You know, you get to know someone's
husband by going on double dates or by going to
brunch all together. And if it's not a situation like that,
(35:23):
it's just not gonna be and I would like to
ask why every five seconds, Giselle would be like, I
gotta say hi to Bobby. Let me say hi to Bobby.
Let me where's Bobby?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Like what he is? Where he's supposed to be with me?
Oh man, listen, So let's see what happens when do
y'all take the reunion? It's coming up, It's coming, It's
coming up real soon. Okay, smiling, it's going to see
the girl.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Look at your face.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You're like, all right now, but all in if what
have people that know you in real life? What have
they said to you? Because I know you weren't watching
it in real time, but what some of the you've gotten?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
They're hurt? Okay, they're hurt because I really promise you,
I'm the lady who people come to for healing, for
an ear, for empathy, to hang out with to have
a good time. Like our house is that house, We're
that family, We're that hospitable family. And so I think
that kind of like a quarter of the way through,
my friends couldn't watch anymore because they were so disappointed
(36:23):
in how I was being treated. And I don't think
that anybody anticipated that it would go like that, and
so you know, they finally did catch up on the
episodes because they wanted to give me kind of some
tea for the reunion or whatever. And they are just hurt,
shocked and disgusted really at the behavior because you can
maybe a little bit of hazing here and there. You know,
(36:43):
I don't have thin skin, despite popular beliefe but the
constant going at somebody is really unfortunate and it's really,
as my sister would put it, day class a.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So yeah, and then you have the State of Ease
podcast that's coming that's coming this month, right, yes, it is.
So I feel like part of that is because you
want people to see who you really are. Was that
something you had planned already or was it just out
of you being a little frustrated, like.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Oh no, it was something I had planned already. I
already had a podcast called called Overwilden for a few
years and overwild and the whole thing was when you know,
when someone says you wilding out, you know what I mean?
And then when you're in your thirties, you reached that
point where you're over wilding out and you want to
bring that peace and calm in your life. That's what
(37:31):
that podcast was about. But I also do have like
a news and culture background, and so I wanted to
bring something that could marry my mindfulness with news and culture.
And basically that's what that show is. Think Brene Brown J.
Shetty kind of putting a mindful lens on the events
of today.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, let me tell you, the world is very crazy today.
I just want to say I was in Saint Crai
January theory, was my birthday, and what happened on January
third we found out that the president Bomba Isabella Louela.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Were you afraid to come? Like how I was coming back?
Coming back?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Actually by the time I left on the fifth, right, Yeah,
so the everything was back open again. The airspace was closed.
But I will say I didn't know. I don't and
I still don't know. I'm still a little apprehensive about
like what's about to happen. Yeah, because you know where
I'm in New York, You're near d C. And those
are prime locations for something to go down, if it's
(38:24):
going to go down.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And it's it's scary because you have this president who
understands that a part of being a president is the
checks and balances, right, Congress is the voice of the
people that he understands that well, maybe he understands but
doesn't care, you know what I mean. He's given Congress
a big middle finger right now. Congress is supposed to
be our voice to have a say in what happens.
(38:47):
He's not supposed to just unilaterally.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Go to dictatorship, which is exactly what he's supposedly against exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
But you know, here we are and it's scary. And
you know, my niece just left on her trip to
Brazil for school. My nieces at University of Maryland on
a full academic scholarship. Shout out to her. But she's
going overseas for a study abroad. And it's really just
creating a sense of unwellness and disease where being an
(39:16):
American citizen is concerned, because you hope that people don't
think that you're up for like I shouldn't like to
do that wasn't me. So you know, it's hard to
be like it ain't me doing it. Yeah, you know,
you get painted with the same brush. So I'm hoping
that I can help give people a little bit of
calm and ease through this show and to help them
understand what are the different things that they can do
(39:39):
to digest the news and to stay embodied even when
so much crazy shit is happening around them.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
So for people that are watching right now and they're like,
I'm interested in this whole outdoor experience, break it down
for them, Like, what are some of the activities that
are available? I looked on the website already, so I
had a chance to see some of the packages and activities.
But let people, you know, like, what can they kind
of sign up for? What can they expect?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So Wonderland Outdoors is a mindful outfitter, and basically what
that means is all of our guides guide with intention.
They're going to be paying attention to you on time,
They're gonna know details about you, and they're gonna tailor
the trip to who you are and your skill level.
We offer fly fishing, horseback riding, mindful hiking, and a
food by fire experience by chef Bobby that includes like
(40:25):
a beautiful long table and the outdoors a violinist. I mean,
it's just like Wagoo Tomahawk's Steak. It's a really nice
experience and we made it a luxury outfitter because we
know some people don't like to be in the outdoors,
but adding that luxury element, it just draws people in
and maybe one day they won't mind being in a dirt,
(40:45):
you know.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So let's ease into let's ease into it exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
They can log on the Wanderland Outdoors dot com and
they can book online, or they can log on the
Wonderland Outdoors and give us a call where a concierge
will answer and they will book their trips special for them. Okay, well,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, thank you so much for coming up. I am
so glad that you cleared up a lot of things because,
like you said, it's forty four minutes. You filmed a
lot of things, and I feel like we saw like
some conversations, but where's the resolution or you know, what
happened there? There was the catfish conversation was so nasty.
You're very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Thanks you so much.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I just want to say, sitting here looking at you
and persitiate.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
You, queen, I want to say this, I wish looking back,
but I had just let it roll off my shoulders,
but I was I was actually hurt, Like what you
saw is a human being taken aback because that's not
normally what I have a dinner conversation about to this
woman who I had hoped to have a better relationship with. So,
I mean, you see me kind of talking about it
(41:43):
at nauseum one because I asked about it a million times,
but do because I'm like, damn, like, what the fuck
was that? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
All right, Well, look, I'm hoping that everything goes smooth
and that we see you back again.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, we'll see, We'll see.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I want to say. A lot of people were like, Okay,
that's the angel we need to see on this latest
episode because you had the little shade.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah. You know, I know that a lot of people
think that I am not housewife material, but I need
people to be a little more open minded because not
every housewife is a monolith and I am who I
am and is a housewife no, actually a house Yeah
you know, so there we go. I mean, but it
has been a pleasure talking to you. Are wonderful. Your
(42:27):
energy is beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I appreciate that. I love it, and I'm very interested
in trying this outdoor experience.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Come on us, we will bring we will do a
multi day experience. We're actually doing a campaign with the
Colorado Tourism Board this month to invite some influencers out
to do some experiences. But I'd love to have you
during the summer because that is the beautiful time. Okay,
I'm in come, come on out, make a girl friend.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
That's not my house.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Okay, that was not my house.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
His way up with Angela Yee and the timing for
this guest is impeccable. Angel Massey is here from Real
House as a Potomac. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Thank you for having me. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yes, me too, girl. I want to ask you. Let's
turn up through the interview like this, Okay, what did
you envision when you joined the cast this season? And
then we'll talk about what actually happened? But what was
your thoughts when you're like, Okay, it's going.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
To be this, Well, you know what, I thought that
I would be able to come into this group and
you know, have some commonality with everybody and be a peacemaker.
You know. Of course being shady comes along with the territory, right,
so I expected some lady shade, but I really expected
to kind of be a bridge between people, and clearly
(00:50):
that didn't happen. I'm the mote.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, you know, it's interesting to me because I see
and I know like you. You're an entrepreneur, you have
a home in Colorado that has been featured. You've also
got a lot of background in the space of production,
and I'm a median girl journalism. Yeah, so I figure
(01:13):
in my head, I was like, Okay, she's going to
join and she'll know how to play the game. But
it's so different when you get in there and you
don't have as much control.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
No, And I think that the number one rule in
journalism is always don't become the story right, And so
I think that I think that when that happens, it's
a little shocking and unmooring. It can be because you
just expect to have a different measure of control around
your story, around how you are perceived and how I
(01:41):
guess the other ladies perceive you. And that's not true.
And one thing that I have learned where housewives are
concerned is they're going to think what they want to think,
and they're even gonna make shit ups give the language.
So I think that you just have to have thickcker
skin than you would in normal life because you're going
to endure things that you probably wouldn't. You know, normally,
(02:02):
if you don't like somebody, you can just go off
and never see them again, you know what I mean.
But you party, but you meeting up for bruns, you
meeting up for dinner to fight, You meet to fight,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's not just when it happens, it's also the aftermath
of when it actually airs, and then everybody's weighing in
from what they've seen exactly from what they've seen.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That's like the point. I hadn't watched the season until
this past weekend because I, yes, I needed to give
myself that space and break, you know, when the filming rap,
I went back to being a businesswoman and a mommy,
you know, And so there wasn't really time for me
to mull over what happened and then decide that I
(02:42):
was going to watch these episodes on time because when
the show airs, I'm putting my babies to bed, you know.
So I knew that eventually I will watch the whole
season in one big lump and then process it. And
boy have I watched it, And boy have I processed it.
I mean, it is kind of shocking to see how
much went on behind my back.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So oh yeah, because you get to hear people's conversations
about you.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, and they talked about you a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Now listen, I do want to say though, that is
a gift and a curse. They talked about you a lot.
But then in a way, when it comes to reality, TV.
That means you're an important part of the storyline. But
then in an other way, my mental health my mental health.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But you know what I had about a decade ago,
my mom passed away, and I think that going through
Greek counseling and finding peace and kind of calm through
mindfulness because my mom was my best thing, you know.
I think that it has helped me to deal with
situations that are emotionally charged or harder better than I
(03:44):
would have if I didn't have that experience. So a
lot of people see how hard of a time I'm having,
but I'm doing okay with it. All right.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Now, let's talk about some things that have happened, because,
like we said, it's only what we get to see.
So I want to hear the real story from you
because as clearly, some things are truncated so we don't
see the full picture. All right, all right, So this
last episode, the Tips of Colorado, I will say I
think you really shined on that episode because it feels
like it did it take a while, you think to
(04:13):
adjust and get your footing and how to handle and
deal with situations.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, I couldn't tell if people were acting or if
they were being real or what was really happening. And
I think that when I finally because you see a
lot of these women meeting up to talk about me, right,
and so I'm not apprised to that situation happening. And
so when I see them in person and the energy
is weird, I'm like, well, what's happening. But finally, you know,
(04:40):
Ashley tries to confront me with this whole eviction storyline.
And that's really the first time besides what Gizelle did
at dinner and Nevis, that somebody had said something to
me to my face, and so you see me reacting
and you see me kind of taking aback, and then
I'm like, oh, this is what's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, let's talk about the eviction storyline that she had
because you were moving, but you had a short term rental, right,
is that correct?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So here's the whole Okay, I want to get a
whole right, So, starting in twenty twenty three, I hit
up k and asked her for her realtor because I
knew that she had just acquired a new condo, and
so she connected me with them, and we had been
working together to try and find a Maryland property because
I'm from Maryland, like you know, born, raised, school, all
those different things. All my whole family is there.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Let's clear that up too, because everybody's like, she live
in Colorado for real, not only coming here to be
on the show.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
No, no, no, I'm from Maryland. I'm from Baltimore, Maryland. And
so my father, who was seventy eight, is still there,
my sister is still there, my niece is still there,
my mother is buried there, My roots are there. Okay, right,
so let's be clear about that. I had been looking
for a home from Colorado in Maryland for the past
two years before I even thought about joining this show.
(05:55):
We had been looking on Zillo looking for different houses,
but it's nothing like being in person to experience a home. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You can't just pick a home, no online site unseying.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So we were like, okay, let's come back here. What
we'll do is we'll give ourselves a time limit to
try and find a house. We've been looking, We've been close,
and so if we don't find something for the time being,
will enroll the kids in school in Colorado because they
have to go to school and we have this home already.
So if we don't find something, we'll go back and
we'll still keep looking that. It was simple as that,
(06:27):
Like the powers that be knew that I wasn't there
full time. They knew that my story was that I
was coming back to look for a house. It wasn't
a shock for anyone. And when it came to that
short term rental, right, which is on airb me so
you can check out the price, fourteen thousand, five hundred
dollars a months, not a month, right, thousand dollars a
(06:48):
month point me like literally nothing. And so what happened
is basically we were going to move into a bigger
spot for the time being on July eleventh, but the
person who owned the home thought it was July first.
So I get this message from them saying you've been great,
like you know, here's what you need to do before
(07:09):
you go. You're like, and I'm like, wait a second,
I this is not the right time, you know, And
they're like, oh my gosh, We're so sorry. But we
had already rented it out. And so what they did.
I told the producers they asked me to, you know,
if I would be willing to show it. I did
not really want to, but I'm trying to be a
(07:29):
team player is reality. I'm trying to give access to
my life, so I do that. They have Tia and
Kiarana come over. They don't really pack any boxes. It's
just the scene to show what's happening to me in
my life currently. And then Tia proceeds to leave and
call Gazelle tell her her version of what happened. Wow.
I didn't appreciate that, but me and Tia have already
(07:51):
talked about it, which yeah, because she said that it
wasn't meant in any mean spirit, but Giselle is a
mean spirited person, and so she turned it into something
that it wasn't okay. And as you can see, I
arrived two hours late to Potomac and Pony because number one,
it wasn't in Potomac. It was almost at the top
of Maryland, and it took us forever to get there
(08:11):
because I made in this new rental that we moved into.
I made handmade or from scratched corn bread and beans
for the thing, So you know, I'm in a new house.
I order and stuff. I'm like really trying to make
this effort to be there, to show that I want
to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And they also said your husband Bobby didn't want to
be there because when he was called, he was like.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, he said we'll get there when we get there.
And I stand on that, and he should have said that,
and they deserved it. They should have heard it. And
then code switching, Ashley is trying to dog whistle him
being an aggressive black man, and I didn't appreciate that. Okay,
she doesn't know him from Adam.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's very naves me feel that it's a party. You
don't have to be there, no, like you can come late. Yeah,
but I would, but it is okay to say, hey,
we're running late when you know you're running late.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, here's the thing I agree with you. I had had.
What you didn't see is that two people had called
me beforehand, okay, right before called me, and then Keana
was the third call. So by the third call, we
were like, we are on the way, you know what
I mean, everyone knew that we were running behind. I
text several people there and said we were running behind.
(09:20):
So we were running behind. Yeah, but you know what,
they just wanted my ass to arrive early so that
they could try to shame me. This is yankee fish.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You feel like this is a hazing, you know, just
this being your first season. It's like, okay, because one
thing that has been said throughout the show is that
they showed a whole mindtage of you saying I just
want to get to know the ladies better. I want
to spend some time, and people were saying they didn't
feel like you really did want to get to know
them better.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well I did, Okay, I really did, and I tried hard,
and I don't think that, uh, if I didn't want
to get to know them, I wouldn't have invited them
to my house more than one time after the first
time when they acted up like I wouldn't have shown
up the way that I did. I wouldn't have tried
so hard. And it's unfortunate because you don't you know,
it's only forty four minutes of the show, so you
(10:07):
don't get to see scenes where I'm one on one
with Stacy, or where I'm one on one with Ashy Ashley,
or where I'm inviting the women two more things than No,
I'm just kidding, she is Ashy. She is Ashy Ashy Ashley.
But yeah, you don't get to see those things and
that's unfortunate because it kind of looks like I was
(10:27):
on an island by myself. But I was trying to
get to know them. I mean, I remember during filming
to Zelle lost Power and I text her and I say,
you know, if you want to come over to take
a bath or do any of that stuff, please feel
free bring your kids, you know. Invited Wendy to lunch
with me so that we could hash out things on
our own. I mean, gave Ashley a toolbox and said, look,
(10:51):
I want to build a bridge to getting to know you,
like I did the work. And that's why you see
me feel so kind of really hard at the mean
girl antics and really the rejection when to me, I've
not done anything but at human, which is respond when
someone is unkind to me.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, I know it must have been hard for
you for the fact that you couldn't even watch it
until this last episode.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, I needed to separate myself a little bit from
it because one, the unkindness was directed towards me, and
two I just do not like to see black women
treat each other that way. And that's not the type
of narrative that I wanted to be a part of
joining this group and I find myself in the center
of it, and so it's really kind of jarring.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
What was it helpful to have Keana there as your friend?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, because we would look across each other and be like, girl,
you see this bullshit and you see this are we
going crazy? And it would be really just kind of
grounding because sometimes when you're going through something, you wonder
if it isn't me, like you know what I mean,
but really the mess is calling from in the house
because they are the mess. So I think it was
nice to have that. And it was also nice to
(12:04):
form relationships with like Tia and Stacey and have that commonality.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
What was the conversation that you and Well, you said
that Tia kind of cleared up that she didn't present
things in the way that Giselle made it seem, so
at least y'all spoke to each other, because sometimes that
conversation doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, and they can carry over. I kind of realized
that I had an AHA moment at Monique's book party
because I'm like, now, how I wonder how the heck
did Gizelle know what was going on with me? And
then I said, Tia did you tell Jiselle that what
was happening? She was like, yeah, I didn't mean it
like that, And I'm like, okay, Well, even if you
(12:42):
didn't mean it like that, that's not cool because if I
wanted her there, she would have been there. But she
apologized and she said that she was just trying to
guard he support from me. And the funny thing is
that Giselle, Ashley and Wendy actually called me on FaceTime
and Gazelle says, how you doing? What's going on? You okay?
And I'm like, yeah, I'm okay, Welly, I wouldn't I
(13:03):
be okay? And she's leading up to trying to find
out what's happening with me. But then I see this
other scene where they're sitting around Kei ki in and
apparently Wendy knows this mystery realtor that I work with.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So you know what the reltor is that she's talking about. Yes,
do you believe that realtor really said?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
She didn't I talk to her and see that's what
she didn't anticipate because she doesn't know they want to
make on the spot. Yeah, but if you notice, Wendy
immediately pipes up and say it says, Stacey, you didn't
want to call TJ at the reunion, did you? And
I'm like, oh, okay, this didn't really happen.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And this is the realtor that, according to them, one
you wanted an apartment that looked like fourteen thousand dollars
but only costs a thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It looked like fifty thousand dollars, okay, but it only
costs a thousand. First of all, I would be crazy.
You can't because I don't know who dollars? Okay, you
can't even get a storage units dollars a month at
this point. So when I talked to my friend, mind you,
I've known this woman longer than Wendy has. She's an
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award winning realtor, and she said, first of all, I
would not put my career reputation on the line by
discussing a client's needs or wants with Wendy. And number two,
this conversation didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Because that's not fair because it also made her seem unprofessional.
That was also the what type of unprofessional realtor? Exactly
all about.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Your business and know and with a commission on the line,
you know what I mean? So I just feel and
larger than a commission, a reputation. And so I just
when I finally saw the Shenanigans over the weekend, I was.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like, Oh, that is so crazy that you're just seeing that. Okay,
so let's flash back to some other things that happen
on this season. And then, of course I want to
talk about your business because I love to talk about
real estate, but I like also the outdoors, and I
also feel like, can I book.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
A little Wonderland outdoors trip on me?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But let's talk about a couple of other things now.
There also was a scene where they were saying that
you stole money from your husband when you guys were dating. Yeah,
now I want you to I was lucky to clear
that out because it never was really like fleshed out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Number one, Ashley is lying, she knows nothing of the
situation or about the situation, and so I'm gonna run
it down right quick. Me and Bobby had only been
dating for like four or five months. There was another
and I don't want to say wag. I hate wag.
The reason I said wag so much on the season
was because I was asked questions about being a wag
(15:37):
not because I'm upset, like stand not being a being one.
So long story short, I had gotten to know this
other girl whose boyfriend at the time played on the team.
We're getting to know each other. Bobby played on the
O line, and so they went out to lunch or
dinner or something, and he's like, here, take my card.
(15:57):
I'm going to treat you guys to lunch or dinner whatever.
The women at the same time. And so I'm there
at the dinner and I tell this girl, you know what,
Bobby is used to giving so much to people and
not having anything in return. I bought him a trip
to Jamaica myself, because mind you, I'm a journalist and
(16:18):
a media girly at this point, I'm a decade into
my career, so I have my own coins, which is
part of what attracted me to him for him to me.
And and so I tell her this story, and I'm
going about my married business, thinking it's going to be
a surprise for him, right because Christmas is coming up
or whatever. And so I go home to Maryland. Me
(16:39):
and Bobby aren't living together. I was living in Maryland,
and he gives me a call and he says that
his financial advisor and his mentor called him up and
they're like, this girl is spreading a story around that
you stole money out of his account to buy a trip, right,
which is obviously the complete opposite of what actually happened.
(17:00):
They're like, we already checked your account, there's no money.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Laws.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
This girl is crazy. Do with what you will with
this information. So he shares the information with me. Yeah,
because why would he marry you exactly after that figure out?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Because that story was never seless.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So I confronted this girl and I told her everything
that I knew that happened, and she apologized, and you know,
I'm kind of young back then, so I'm like, I
want to see you at another game, you know what
I mean? Because she tried to single white female men,
you know, And so she doesn't come to any more
a lot more games for the rest of the season
because she was not wanting the confrontation with me. But
(17:40):
I was justified in saying that to her because she
tried to ruin my life. Yeah. No, absolutely, And the
fact that it's coming back up now is crazy because
this was twenty sixteen, and I've actually made peace with
this girl, you know, So I didn't want to give
too many details on what happened, because if you if
someone apologizes to you and it took us a long
(18:00):
time to get to this place, then you have to
let it go and try my best to protect her privacy.
But it was really foul to even bring it up
it all on a trip, because if you got to
know me and you thought I was cool, and you
thought what you had heard or tried to find out
about me wasn't untruth, then just let it go. What's
the point, you know? And so I think that for
(18:21):
me at that moment, if I could have gone back
in time, maybe I would have brushed it off my shoulders.
But at the time, owing to all the things that
had happened on that trip, it just felt like another
gotcha moment for me. You know what.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Also, this last episode, you took everybody to Colorado, that
was the trip, and you had some of them, most
of them staying in a different house, except for Tia
and k who stayed with you in your home. There
was a separate house and they were upset that they
didn't know that was going to happen. Now I could
tell your hierarchy based on who got what room. Yeah, Okay,
Now Wendy got a whole entire floor she did to herself.
(18:57):
But throughout it it felt like Wendy took shots at you.
But then you said, you guys had a conversation, but
we didn't get a chance to see that. I don't
feel like no, So tell me what happened with that.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So long story short. The originally the trip was supposed
to be a couple's trip, and so my house in
Colorado is six bedrooms, six bathrooms like and and a
lot of those bedrooms my kids live in, and my
husband and I live in. So not everyone was ever
going to be able to stay it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You don't need no grown people staying in the kids room,
you know what exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I wasn't gonna yeah my family out. The situation was
always going to be that I was going to acquire
a home for all the couples to stay in. But
not everybody is in a couple. Most of the ladies
aren't in a couple. So the trip had to change,
and it had to change at the last minute. And unfortunately,
in Colorado, millions of people book there stays ahead of
(19:50):
time for the summertime because it is a high traffic time.
And so by time the house was booked, that was
what was available. Okay, you know I mean, And so
I had to figure out if I wanted them to
stay closer to the activities that they were going to
do or closer to where I lived. And it seemed
to make more sense for them to stay closer to
(20:13):
the activities that they were gonna do instead of having
to drive an hour to them to those things like
I was gonna have to drive an hour from my
house to do. So, I mean, I got asked to
show my home on camera. I got asked to share
my heart of Osama. The ladies thank you, and that's
what I did. And I opened up my world to
them and I did the best that I could do
with that. And you know, I'm a newbie, and I'm
(20:35):
putting the cash trip on my back. So it's not
an easy situation for me because there are all these
unsaid expectations that I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was like that was like I did the trip
to Nevis.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, but this is her first successful trip. Let's not
forget that she hosted an event in the parking lot
of her home and she wouldn't even let the ladies
go to the bathroom in her house. She had them
paying outside like puppies. I mean, come on, Giselle, you
cannot say all you have to say when you were
the type of host to leave somebody's name off of
all the gifts you gave them Anievas, don't don't let let's.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Not do that, all right, But so did you give
them a heads up that they were staying in a
different place or where they caught off guard?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I mean, I didn't tell them that they were staying
at my house, but I didn't explicitly say you're staying
at another house. But I think that I thought that
that was implied. But perhaps I could have communicated that better.
But I invited them to Colorado, not come stay at
my home. You'll come to my home, but not stay
at my home.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So Ashley and Gizelle ended up having to share a room. Yes,
but we see in the trailer for the next episode,
Gizzelle is going to book her own place.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yes she does, she does, Okay, she does.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So what does that mean for the relationship moving forward
after that?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Is? You know what, now that I have seen the episodes,
there is no relationship. I have seen how she has
talked about me behind my back. I have seen how
she has apologized and and then gone right behind my
back and talked about me. I've seen how she wished
ill and terrible times on my trip. I've seen how
(22:08):
she has acted behind my back. And people are asking,
why do you come from Wendy? Why do you come
from Wendy instead of Gazelle and Ashley. The one thing
I can give Wendy credit for is that she acted
funky a little bit to my face and I couldn't
figure out what it was. But that's because she couldn't
hide that she was talking about me behind my back.
With Ashley and Giselle, they acted perfectly cool, perfectly normal
(22:29):
to my face until they were ready to flip on
me with fake information that they had supplied by Wendy.
So I think that it was hard for me to
act in real time until I had actual evidence that
they were treating me crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So what about Ashley? What are your thoughts on her now?
After watching everything?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Not a fan of Ashley, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
About her dating series's son.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think that it is really out of pocket. I
understand having a smooch, well, I think that she had
more than smooch because on Watch What Happens Live she
said that she thought charae I mean not Charie Charise
was gonna catch her on the ring camera and kind
of that's gross, Like, first of all, if you really
were feeling her son, then why couldn't you come like
a woman before you did something, or maybe right after
(23:16):
the first kiss, and said, hey, this is what happened.
It didn't have to turn into a storyline. You should
have had more respect for her than that. You have
known her for a long time. I saw where on
Giselle's podcast she says that Charise used to call Ashley
her daughter in law. Well, if that was the case
and it was really going to happen, then she should
have felt comfortable enough to come to her, but instead
(23:37):
she did it behind her back. She has seen this
man since he was young, and what I know from
having a niece around his age is that the maturity
level is not the same as someone my age. It's
just not. And so you need to ask and find
out if she's comfortable with that, rather than doing a
gotcha in front of friends and family at an event.
(23:57):
This was an event for kids. Yeah, what will make
you think that that was the appropriate time to say
this and to divulge this information. And I'm telling you
I was right there in his face. He was mortified,
Oh was he?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Because I saw Stacy was like I would have taken
that to the grain.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I agree with her. I would have never said a
damn thing about it. And you know, it's giving. I
don't know, it's given something that it shouldn't give. It's given.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Kind of weird now, and I will say this, she's
thirty seven, right, he's twenty seven. But it's the fact
that she didn't know him, yeah, from when he was young.
And it's also a little different when it's like your
friend's kid.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it's different because you know, she's thirty seven, he's
twenty five. And so if it happened what two to
three years ago, so this man was twenty two. I mean,
come on, my niece is twenty two right now. It's
like it is literally like me like being like, damn, Aris,
who is your classmate? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It's like, yeah, that sounds creepy, this sounds weird. Say
it's not illegal, it's just yeah, but you know, just
because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's not kind of
creepy and morally suspect. Now, how do you feel looking
back and we've everything that's been happening with Wendy and Eddie,
what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
None? It is shocking based off the fact of who
she presents herself to be and how highly she speaks
of herself and everything that she's done for herself in
her life, and nothing's to be taken away from her
full degrees. But I think that you wouldn't think that
someone like that would encounter those type of problems. And
(25:26):
so I am willing to wait and reserve judgment until
she has her day in court because I'm not like
her and willing to make light of her misery.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So you guys did have a conversation. What was said
that you and Wendy like that? You know that you
gave her the whole downstairs with her own room, and
I you.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
See throughout the season that I really tried to mend
fences with her. I mean, do you think.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's that her and Kay don't get along? That maybe
made you have your own preconceived notion.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
See, the one thing is that I'm not like that.
I told Kay. You see in the scene where me
and Kay are walking along the canal. I tell her,
just talk to her. You see me in the scene
where Kay is having her event and her SPA and
I say, well, how do you know something didn't happen
to her kids? And you know, I get ding, don't
I get chin checked for that? You know what I mean? Yeah?
(26:17):
And so you see me. You don't get to see
me go to Wendy's house, but I drove two hours
from where I was in Potomac to where she was
almost at the Pennsylvania state line to meet her and
her lovely children and her husband. And then you see
the next day she does what I feel like is
a party foul because she still doesn't know me like that,
and gets between me and Kay having this resolution right
(26:40):
at the end, right, but even then at Preakness when
we arrive, I tell her, I come up to her,
I talk to her by herself, and I say, listen,
if I missread your energy, I apologize, But it felt
like you were coming from me. We didn't get to
see that on the season, unfortunately, but that's something that happened.
But then after that, it's almost like she was never
able to let go of what she perceived to be
(27:02):
a slight right. I'm not a woman who tows the line.
If you don't like me or how I present myself
based off of who I am, that's that's like not
my problem, you know what I mean. And so throughout
the season, I make these over chers to try and
get along with her. But watching it back, I feel
dumb as hell because I see every chance she gets,
she's saying something nasty about me behind my bag, something
(27:26):
truly nasty, And so I want to like, why fake
the funk? Just say everything that you had to say
behind my back to my face? Which did you want
to wait until the reunion? Like I don't understand the energy?
And so her having this whole narrative Angels obsessed with
me and Angel will talk about me, how I mean this,
Angel will do this and this and that. I think
that that is really her. That's just a red heiring, Like.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Do you think because I've seen people say that they
felt like Kay wasn't taken up for you enough, what
are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Watching I think that I'm a grown woman, and I
think that I can take up from myself, and I
think that not every friendship is the same, and I
think that when she needs to take up for me,
she does, and vice versa. And I think that people
shouldn't try and put their standards of friendship on ours
because I can stand on my own too.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Okay, that's good, because sometimes you see people's friendships on
shows like this. We've seen people fall out with each other,
people who were best friends are not friends anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, we're still tight. I'm not gonna let people that
I have known for two seconds come between a friendship
that I've had for so long. I mean, this is
a woman who did my mother's hair who's no longer here.
So you're gonna really think that just because somebody has
something to say about her that I'm gonna drop it. No,
that has to come from us, and we are better
(28:42):
than ever now.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I want to talk about Wonderland outdoors and so I
and I really would have loved for them, you know.
And I'm sure part of the reason why you did
this show had to be because you do have a business, right,
and so we don't want to discount that, because that's
what it's all about, right. It is supposed to be
about you kind of talking about what you have going on.
Why would you be on there without anything to promote.
(29:04):
Do you feel like that wasn't really shown? No, okay,
so I want to talk about it now.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
No. I shot so much. I shot staff meetings, I
shot me booking things, I shot me. There were so
many meetings I have with Bobby because he is my
co founder, where we're talking about opening Wonderland Atlantic. There
was so much and unfortunately there's so much, so much time,
and I don't know if I was born talking about that.
But you know, it's just work, it's just business, and
(29:33):
you know, it's such a big part of my life.
Wonderland is. And it's crazy to just watch the show
back and kind of witness a little bit of a
rature where who I actually am is concerned because I
feel like.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It wasn't really mentioned at all.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
A big tart of me is that I'm a businesswoman.
A big part of me is that I waited to
marry in my thirties because I wanted to fully flesh
out my career. I waited to have children and tell
my mid thirties in my late thirties so that I
could realize my own ambitions. And you really kind of
don't get to witness that out of me wanderland outdoors
is has was birthed out of my love of the outdoors.
(30:12):
And when I was working in media, I created this
hiking group called Pretty Girls Hiker and we used to
go out and eat and hike together and just have
this community. And then Bobby is a huge fisherman, and
so when we first started dating, one of the ways
that we would bond would we'd be flying to go
fishing places. And one of the places that we would
(30:33):
fly to was Colorado during his football bye week. So
we would go there, we would fly fish, and we
would enjoy our time with an outfitter. And we thought
to ourselves, Hey, one day, why don't we do this.
You will see a lot of black guys in the outdoors.
You don't see a lot of black fly fishing or
hiking guides. And really it was birthed out of the
idea that we really wanted to get people in the outdoors,
(30:56):
no matter what they look like, no matter what their race, sexuality,
color creed, any of that is. We want people to
be able to experience the outdoors in a luxurious way.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Let me tell you from New York and so you know,
it's not that easy for us to have that space.
But I love about it. I have an airbnb Upstate
New York and the Catskills. I'm gonna show it to you.
But there's a lot of hiking around there.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Maybe we can.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Train, let's do it, let's, you know, start something where
people could take their trips down. Love that luxury space also,
But that's why I like the entrepreneurship aspect. I do
wish I would have seen some more of that because
I also think about like even I'm good friends with
Don now Rawlings. They go to Yellow Springs, Ohio. He
(31:38):
bought a house there and now he's out on the river.
It's like a whole different feeling when you're from these
urban places, these cities, and then you get to go
into nature.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It is it is like a release. You're able to
be yourself. And you know, there's really something in nature
called fighter kines that trees release and it is tantamount
to take an anti anxiety medicine. When you smell it,
your nervous system automatically kicks into that rest and digest
and you are able to really just calm yourself and
be yourself and really be embodied. And that's the part
(32:10):
of the reason why I wanted to take these ladies
to Colorado. I wanted them to explore that with me
and to feel good. But kind of like Gizelle says,
she doesn't like peace and calm, she likes mess, you know,
And so you kind of see that playing out over
the course of this Colorado trip. They don't even really
allow me to show my business because they are with
the Shenan against the entire time.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean, there's one part where you guys are meditating. Yeah,
and I want to talk about that scene because that
was an opportunity for people, but it felt like people
weren't taking it that serious one and it was.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Very disrespectful because this is a show, yes, but Bianca
is our head movement guide. She does work with us.
I do employ her for different opportunities for Wonderland, and
so I was kind of embarrassed by them, to be honest,
because this is a woman, an indigenous, this woman who
is sharing her healing and her practice with you, and
(33:03):
you're being disrespectful by talking and getting up and shifting
and moving and doing all the different things. And it's
not in an effort to be grounded in the experience.
It's in an effort to be disrespectful, and that says
a lot about their character, it really does.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And they also been like, well, why aren't you sitting
on the floor with us?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Because I was trying to give them.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Space, right, You're like, I do this, Yeah, this is
an opportunity to try something different.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, and I could have sat down, but then what
are they going to do? Stand? I was actually being
a good host.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
See, I'm glad you clear that up, because the way
it looks, it looks.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I was trying to tower over them. But no, it's
just like a little bitty place for them to be.
It was really crowded, so I decided to not be
one of the people who are on a yoga mat. Instead,
I sat up there a little bit uncomfortable so everybody
else could be comfortable. And it's crazy how that perception
can be turned around.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
What do you so, are you feeling like you would
do another season?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I am feeling like I am going to be in
the present moment and see how my feelings are after
the reunion is over. It's really important to me to
be honest with myself. We did finally close on our
Potomac home. Okay, congratulations, Thank you so much, and so
(34:21):
we are undergoing like that renovation process and we are
back and forth really really really like a lot now.
So I just think that I just have to figure
out what it looks like for me. I have to
figure out what it looks like for me. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Now, Bobby stayed out the mix pretty much during this season.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He's just respectful. You know, you don't have who else's
husband hangs around the girlies. And it would be one
thing if it was like the other guys were around
and he was coming to hang out with them while
we hung out.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But like, what's he supposed to do though, because we
don't see the men hanging out together like we might
see on other shows where they have their own.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And you know, the guys they have a good rapport
with each other when they are in person together. But
what did these women expect for Bobby to come and
do a key key with them, you know, over some drinks.
That's not how it works in real life. He's not
gonna do that. You know, you get to know someone's
husband by going on double dates or by going to
brunch all together. And if it's not a situation like that,
(35:23):
it's just not gonna be and I would like to
ask why every five seconds, Giselle would be like, I
gotta say hi to Bobby. Let me say hi to Bobby.
Let me where's Bobby?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Like what he is? Where he's supposed to be with me?
Oh man, listen, So let's see what happens when do
y'all take the reunion? It's coming up, It's coming, It's
coming up real soon. Okay, smiling, it's going to see
the girl.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Look at your face.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You're like, all right now, but all in if what
have people that know you in real life? What have
they said to you? Because I know you weren't watching
it in real time, but what some of the you've gotten?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
They're hurt? Okay, they're hurt because I really promise you,
I'm the lady who people come to for healing, for
an ear, for empathy, to hang out with to have
a good time. Like our house is that house, We're
that family, We're that hospitable family. And so I think
that kind of like a quarter of the way through,
my friends couldn't watch anymore because they were so disappointed
(36:23):
in how I was being treated. And I don't think
that anybody anticipated that it would go like that, and
so you know, they finally did catch up on the
episodes because they wanted to give me kind of some
tea for the reunion or whatever. And they are just hurt,
shocked and disgusted really at the behavior because you can
maybe a little bit of hazing here and there. You know,
(36:43):
I don't have thin skin, despite popular beliefe but the
constant going at somebody is really unfortunate and it's really,
as my sister would put it, day class a.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So yeah, and then you have the State of Ease
podcast that's coming that's coming this month, right, yes, it is.
So I feel like part of that is because you
want people to see who you really are. Was that
something you had planned already or was it just out
of you being a little frustrated, like.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Oh no, it was something I had planned already. I
already had a podcast called called Overwilden for a few
years and overwild and the whole thing was when you know,
when someone says you wilding out, you know what I mean?
And then when you're in your thirties, you reached that
point where you're over wilding out and you want to
bring that peace and calm in your life. That's what
(37:31):
that podcast was about. But I also do have like
a news and culture background, and so I wanted to
bring something that could marry my mindfulness with news and culture.
And basically that's what that show is. Think Brene Brown J.
Shetty kind of putting a mindful lens on the events
of today.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, let me tell you, the world is very crazy today.
I just want to say I was in Saint Crai
January theory, was my birthday, and what happened on January
third we found out that the president Bomba Isabella Louela.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Were you afraid to come? Like how I was coming back?
Coming back?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Actually by the time I left on the fifth, right, Yeah,
so the everything was back open again. The airspace was closed.
But I will say I didn't know. I don't and
I still don't know. I'm still a little apprehensive about
like what's about to happen. Yeah, because you know where
I'm in New York, You're near d C. And those
are prime locations for something to go down, if it's
(38:24):
going to go down.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And it's it's scary because you have this president who
understands that a part of being a president is the
checks and balances, right, Congress is the voice of the
people that he understands that well, maybe he understands but
doesn't care, you know what I mean. He's given Congress
a big middle finger right now. Congress is supposed to
be our voice to have a say in what happens.
(38:47):
He's not supposed to just unilaterally.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Go to dictatorship, which is exactly what he's supposedly against exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
But you know, here we are and it's scary. And
you know, my niece just left on her trip to
Brazil for school. My nieces at University of Maryland on
a full academic scholarship. Shout out to her. But she's
going overseas for a study abroad. And it's really just
creating a sense of unwellness and disease where being an
(39:16):
American citizen is concerned, because you hope that people don't
think that you're up for like I shouldn't like to
do that wasn't me. So you know, it's hard to
be like it ain't me doing it. Yeah, you know,
you get painted with the same brush. So I'm hoping
that I can help give people a little bit of
calm and ease through this show and to help them
understand what are the different things that they can do
(39:39):
to digest the news and to stay embodied even when
so much crazy shit is happening around them.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
So for people that are watching right now and they're like,
I'm interested in this whole outdoor experience, break it down
for them, Like, what are some of the activities that
are available? I looked on the website already, so I
had a chance to see some of the packages and activities.
But let people, you know, like, what can they kind
of sign up for? What can they expect?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So Wonderland Outdoors is a mindful outfitter, and basically what
that means is all of our guides guide with intention.
They're going to be paying attention to you on time,
They're gonna know details about you, and they're gonna tailor
the trip to who you are and your skill level.
We offer fly fishing, horseback riding, mindful hiking, and a
food by fire experience by chef Bobby that includes like
(40:25):
a beautiful long table and the outdoors a violinist. I mean,
it's just like Wagoo Tomahawk's Steak. It's a really nice
experience and we made it a luxury outfitter because we
know some people don't like to be in the outdoors,
but adding that luxury element, it just draws people in
and maybe one day they won't mind being in a dirt,
(40:45):
you know.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So let's ease into let's ease into it exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
They can log on the Wanderland Outdoors dot com and
they can book online, or they can log on the
Wonderland Outdoors and give us a call where a concierge
will answer and they will book their trips special for them. Okay, well,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, thank you so much for coming up. I am
so glad that you cleared up a lot of things because,
like you said, it's forty four minutes. You filmed a
lot of things, and I feel like we saw like
some conversations, but where's the resolution or you know, what
happened there? There was the catfish conversation was so nasty.
You're very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Thanks you so much.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I just want to say, sitting here looking at you
and persitiate.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
You, queen, I want to say this, I wish looking back,
but I had just let it roll off my shoulders,
but I was I was actually hurt, Like what you
saw is a human being taken aback because that's not
normally what I have a dinner conversation about to this
woman who I had hoped to have a better relationship with. So,
I mean, you see me kind of talking about it
(41:43):
at nauseum one because I asked about it a million times,
but do because I'm like, damn, like, what the fuck
was that? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
All right, Well, look, I'm hoping that everything goes smooth
and that we see you back again.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, we'll see, We'll see.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I want to say. A lot of people were like, Okay,
that's the angel we need to see on this latest
episode because you had the little shade.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah. You know, I know that a lot of people
think that I am not housewife material, but I need
people to be a little more open minded because not
every housewife is a monolith and I am who I
am and is a housewife no, actually a house Yeah
you know, so there we go. I mean, but it
has been a pleasure talking to you. Are wonderful. Your
(42:27):
energy is beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I appreciate that. I love it, and I'm very interested
in trying this outdoor experience.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Come on us, we will bring we will do a
multi day experience. We're actually doing a campaign with the
Colorado Tourism Board this month to invite some influencers out
to do some experiences. But I'd love to have you
during the summer because that is the beautiful time. Okay,
I'm in come, come on out, make a girl friend.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
That's not my house.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Okay, that was not my house.
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