August 12, 2026 • 45 mins
Diarra Kilpatrick and Jon Chaffin On Capturing Black family Roast Culture in Diarra From Detroit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up his way up at Angela Yee and y'all know,
this is like season two of Diera from Detroit, but
this is honestly the show that everybody is talking about.
And Diera Ka Patrick is here, John Chafan is here.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And if you can't see this, John has on all
of his Detroit paraphernalia at once.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You know what it is. When we were shooting, we
put him in Alliance Jersey okay, and he spent the
entire episode talking about, oh, my skin is burning and
oh I don't know if I could take this, and
so it was so mean and sad that I think
he's trying to make it up, make it up.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I am. I am originally from Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
So this is me showing love to Detroit because I
feel like an honorary detroiter.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Dey's been showing you a lot of love.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Like it's kind of yeah, you know, I'm from the
East Side, though I'm not reside.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
On It's funny.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I did my podcast live in Detroit and I asked
some of the women that were on stage. I said,
where do they have better men? The East Side or
the West Side? What they say this, what would you
say the west side? They said the east side?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Really, yeah, they sho interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
It is interesting people's different perspectives. But you guys, did
did you film this season? I know the first season
you didn't film in Detroit? What about this season?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
No, we haven't been able to shoot there yet.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We are.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We are hoping for the taxing centives to come back.
I mean, you know, we are a show of a
certain budget and so we need that tax incentive. So
first season we shot in Jersey, second season we shot
in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, Yeah, the budget looks good, though, I want to say,
whatever they're doing, it looks like a high budget, you know,
like y'all pulled that on the Stops and you got
a lot of special guests.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, it's really smart producing. It's really great department heads
who know how to come in on budget and it's
but yes, we work hard with what we have.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it's interesting. On threads, I saw a conversation what
I don't know what's on thread No. I saw a
conversation for season two people saying, how come no one
told me about this show and now they're going back.
I want to know what you thought I was about
to say.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Who knows, who knows? No. I love that too. People
are just discovering the first season and the second season,
and that's the that's the beauty of being on a
larger platform. We're just exposed to a larger audience. So
it makes me happy when people say they're just now
finding the show and enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
John, you play a character danger but it feels like
is he dangerous? It feels like a.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
He's he will kill I got a couple, I got
a couple of bodies.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You seem like a nice, good guy.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
See I haven't obviously the whole season is not out yet. Yeah,
so I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, he will drop bodies. But I think that's the
thing about the show, is like, yes, he is a killer,
but that's not the end of the story.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's like people are complicated. He's a farmer, he's a killer.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I mean, that's why I love That's why I love
Danger so much is because we get to show I
get to show like the multi faceted black man. It's
like we're not just one one thing, you know, We're
you know, lovers, we're providers with protectors you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
In some instances killers, but you know.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
That's some instances you got, you know, if I got
if I'm a girl, dad, I understand how you feeling.
But Noah, I enjoy being able to show that we
can be all these things in one you know, it's not.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Just stereotypical.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Storytelling, and he's not a stereotypical character, and that's what
I love about him.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What I also love about the show is when I
first came out, because I remember I was like, dr
from Detroit?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What you know? What is this about to be about?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Because I was watching from the first season and just
from the title alone, I'm like, what is this? You know,
because clearly Detroit is a big character in the show
as well. Yes, I did not know it was going
to be like a mystery type of show, and I
like that because I don't feel like we have enough
of that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, I think it's unexpected, and I also think black women,
like everybody has one friend in their group that's the investigator.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Y's me, it's you, yes, And listen, as one of
my fans started dating somebody, I'd be like, girl, you know,
in twenty twelve, this happened, and I will find out
all the information. I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, we areful, We are resourceful, and I love that.
And so I wanted to see black women at the
forefront of figuring stuff out. I mean even I mean
even in some of the headlines you see, we're I
see black women on socials like I'm trying to figure
out the crime scene. I'm trying to figure out everything,
like we get in the middle of it in I mean,
the show is a comedy first for sure, but we
(04:49):
also touch on some real issues and one of those
is that our communities need self policing. Sometimes we can't
always rely on systems and governments to take care of
us the way we take care of ourselves. And that's
that's from the beginning of time, you know, all the
way from like the Scottsboro Boys, their mothers were the
ones that got them out of jail, and you know,
wouldn't let go of the fight, and so I just
want to honor that part of it. And then also
(05:12):
we are chronically unseerious on the show.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So I mean, we're gonna get to that in a second.
But John, I'm gonna ask you are men like this,
like how we are the ones that are always trying
to like, if your homeboys dating somebody, I know you're married,
but if one of your friends, are you gonna like
do the research and be like, I mean, we're not.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
We're not Nancy Drew with it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We're gonna, y'all do a vibe chat.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, we definitely, we definitely do a vibe chat. Were
definitely gonna let her let my partner know, like, I
don't know if she's the one, you know what I'm saying.
If so, the number one thing, you can just go
out for drinks, like just meet up and you can
get her energy right there.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And what we're gonna do is we checking energy. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
We're trying to see how she's reacting to certain things
and how she's how it's gonna play out. So there's
a level of you know what I'm saying, Nancy Drew
and you know, murder she wrote in us, But we're not.
We're gonna let our partner fall in his face and
then laugh at him and pick them up.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And black man, I told you.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So, And you right about this unseeriousness, because when Chris
aka Deontae goes to see his family that he don't know,
like that at the cookout, I mean they're saying stuff
because for people who haven't seen the show, and this
is not a spoiler, he was kidnapped, you know, and
they keep saying stuff like now that you go get
kidnapped again and like that yet find it something that
(06:31):
is like traumatic, but it's a joke.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's so real though. We talked about that so much
in the writer's room, Like you know, they were roasting
for being kidnapped, and also like now he's back. He's
six to two, he's a formidable guy, so it's hard
to imagine him as this little helpless boy. But you know,
black folks will roast you on a thing.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Anything, that's what we do.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Anything, your most painful thing, that's about to be your nickname.
And yeah, we talked about that how roason is a
love language and in some ways it's really beautiful and
then in some ways, you know, it's something that we
can look at. Yeah, you know, how ruthless we can
be inside of our families and inside of our relationships.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And shout out to comedian CP because he killed Oh
my gosh, he was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
How much if that was scripted? And how much of
it did he improv?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know, I'm always on him. I'm like, can I
please get the scripted line and then you can go
and have fun. But he's he improved a lot, but
a lot of it was scripted. And then he's also
in the room. Okay, so some of it was stuff
he said in a room that I I'm like, this
is still your line? Can you please just say the
scripted line that I wrote that you said? But yeah,
that's him, And I feel like that character is connected
(07:39):
with so many people, and it's like everybody has that
roaster and a family and everybody had that roaster in
there middle school and see he was actually mine, Like
we went to middle school together. Oh wow, so that's
a real thing. Yeah, it's a real thing. And it's
so funny because he told me he has a memory
that I don't remember at all. He claims that I
pushed him down the stairs one day in middle school,
which do us seem like I would push somebody? Do
(08:02):
I seem like that I would ever do? He was
very small. I will say that I probably you definitely
get it. I probably gave him a little nudge and
his dramatic ass fell and rolled all the way down
(08:22):
the steps. But the thing is he remembers the alleged
I'll say alleged pushing. But when I asked him, what
did you say before I pushed your eyes down the stairs,
He's always like, oh, I can't remember that part. Okay
he draws a bully. Not okay, I'm just asking now.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I was such a black nerd. I mean we went
to a middle school for black nerds and Detroit, and
it was really from preschool to eighth grade, so we
went to a black nerd school, the Black Nerds School.
There were some bullies, but I don't think I was one.
I mean, the truth of the matter is my name
is two letters away from diarrhea. Okay, So one thing
(09:05):
I was always going to have is clap backs, you
know what I mean. That was something that I was
going to have to develop. So but no, I was
not a bully. I was like the student council vice
president or something.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And yes, what were you like as a kid? Did
you know?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I was?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I was easier Sunday morning as school as a fan man, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I was.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I had friends, I was not in the middle of anything.
But I had friends that was always in some stuff.
So that's why we're danger. I can pull from life
some real life you know what I'm saying, situations. But nah,
I was chill man. I got two older sisters, so
I know how when y'all talking about the investigation and stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You know, because they did that.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
For my whole life.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I got home, they were checking everything until I said
I do to my wife. Even my mom gave my
wife the side eye.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Really at the wedding, your wife is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
She is too, and she told her. She's like, I
don't even remember doing that. She was like, oh, yeah,
we were.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You're the only boy.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm the only boy.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's why.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's why I'm the youngest, right.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So that's just because you were her baby, not because
of because Neil is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Shout out shout out to.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But they liked that, Like when you dated before that,
where you did you bring.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Her any any any female, any any lady I brought.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
They was checking him. She was checking them, and my
sisters would be like, I don't she ain't.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
The one, but you don't even know one. It's like
it's like an intuition y'all had.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Like they was right until you got your wife.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I know you've talked about bringing your husband home for
the first time to meet your dad. How long did
it take for him.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
To be like, okay, we like him. It took a minute,
my husband said, my dad called him that guy for
the first fifteen years, Like is that guy over there?
But I don't. I feel like it only took five
maybe five verse six, But you have to My dad
was a black nationalist preacher, so his whole thing was
(11:07):
Jesus Christ was a black revolutionary sinned by God to
protect black people from the oppression of a white gentile world.
And the white gentile world said hello, sir. So it's
took a minute. You know. I do believe that whoever
you can't stand ends up in your family, which is
why I try to have grace and give grace to every.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Let's say, you know, my mom is black, my dad
is Chinese, and my grandparents were not happy when my
dad married. They did not go to the wedding. Wow, yeah,
my dad's parents. Because it's I always feel like it's
people who don't accept normally, it's that how were his parents?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I want to ask that his parents are great. They're
like hippies, Northern California hippies.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
They were.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Is very chill and he works on he's he's how
is that working with your husband? I love it. I
mean the truth. Yeah, I'm like Dad.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I can't. I don't. Everybody don't.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I know a lot of a lot of people say that,
But I feel like it's great because he understands how
my mind works. He understands he speaks the r very well.
It saves a lot of time and energy. We sort
of we went to n y U together, so we
think about making art in the same way. It's just
I love it.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I think y'all y'all compliment each other very much, very
much like when you Miles is like the complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, very very chill.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So chilled. I was like, I see why that works.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I'm much more excitable everybody. Every everybody's nervous. Am
I showing boob? No?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Everybody?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But they're monetary. They're monetary. Yeah, we're not doing the
peep show.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What we'll do is we'll put a line over something happens.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, yes, yeah, y'all have to pay me. My boobs
come out. You look great. Though, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I want to say that listen, out fits be outfitting
on the show. To talk to me about that because
even from that first scene when you come out in
season two episode and that orange dress, yes it is fire.
So talk to me about just even the process of
making sure you got the right clothes, because I'm like,
how is she so flat?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You're a teacher? Yeah, right right, that's where we Yeah,
we're stretching reality a little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Funny, my favorite thing was first season, I'm doing the
scene with Ojia where I'm crying and I'm like, I
need some money, I need some help, and I had
on a burbary trend. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Very that's very laid out. You're gonna be fly.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You could be at the bus stop, but you're gonna
look good for sure. So yeah, I mean that's part
of the city is that we do like to put
that ship on and I wanted to reflect that. But
our costume designers they just do an amazing job. You know.
Dominique really has to kind of mix the high and
the low because that dress I have in the open,
that's like from the Motherland, handcrafted. It's like a fifteen
hundred dollars dress that we have to have multiples of
(14:06):
and then sometimes I'm in fashion Ova. You know, it's
just how it's style. But yeah, it's one of my
favorite parts about the show is that it's kind of
visually arresting too. You can watch it once and then
you can watch it again, just for the clothes and
for the for the cinematography, and the writing is so
good on air.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that's amazing, because, you know, sometimes it is
really hard for me to find a show.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Where I enjoy that part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think reality TV has taken over so much and
I'm watching a lot of that, And then you know,
sometimes I watch a lot of shows too where it's
very easy. You don't got to pay that much attention.
It's just kind of background and it's not much to
catch up on. But with this, like I have it
on sometimes, like while I'm in the morning, when I'm
getting my makeup done, my makeup artist.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is like, oh, I got to catch up.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
This show is funny because even if you haven't seen
it from the beginning, you hear the punchlines are very
clever and well done.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thank you. Yeah, I mean, we try to make the
show for everybody, so I already said I was a
black nurse. So it's like, this is a show. If
you want to lock in on the clues and like
really lean in and put your phone down and lock in,
we have something for you. But if you just want
a good time and you just want to laugh at
the punchlines and see some foolishness, we have instrenanigans. We
have that for you too. But yeah, we work really
(15:19):
hard on the scripts. I'm like working on them until
they pride them out of my hands to get ready
to produce the episodes. And yeah, I'm just I'm glad
that people are enjoying that part of it because it
really is sort of an anti AI show, like we
do everything we can to be like this was made
by humans for humans, and you know, it really is
(15:42):
the inside the madness of.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
NO and people have to realize for super quality work
like this.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Thank you, you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Know, isms you know what I'm saying, there's things that
we understand as black folks that AI can't pick up
because they ain't walked in our shoes and have our epigenetics.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So this needs to be written.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
To keep your name on the show. You know, it
was one of those things where I felt like I
had tried other stuff like I had, I had developed
a lot before, and I had never used my name before,
and I felt like in some ways it was for
me talking to God, like I'm ready. I don't know.
It was a It was a weird It was a
weird thing. But I also just love my name. Like
(16:28):
I said, it's part of my origin story, Like it
is a West African name, so I love that it
connects me to the diaspora. But it also is you know,
had to have some thick skin with this name going
to You're gonna say my name, say my name, And
even still people will watch this whole dang on show
and still not call me Dara. They would still be like, Diara,
(16:48):
that was amazing. Sorry, Yeah, I'm like, wow, you watched
all a episodes and you still calling me DiiA. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And you got the Kilpatrick famous last name to your
name is just ringing them bells.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Girl.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah that is your half brother, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
We are the same dad allegedly. Now listen now that
the episode came out last night, everybody's asking me was
Denzel Washington and Detroit and eight because they sounded so
much like John David Washington with the beard and the
and the man, the man drag outfit. So I don't know,
Denzel call me. I think. I think Bernard Kilpatrick is
(17:23):
my dad.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You know what's interesting? You dressed up as a man. Now,
if a man dresses up as a woman, yeah, that
turns into a whole conversation. Yeah, but you and Dominique
dssed up as man. First of all, y'all was cute.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I love that, But that was not like you know
how if like John, I'm sure for you, you'd be like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Ain't doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's not the same type and don't hit the.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Same you know, it's different, you know, especially for black men.
You know what I'm saying. White guys can go out
there and do it. They're artistically, you know, stretching their
their wings. But we are always judged by the characters
that we play. So if I go put on a dress,
as soon as I go back home, my problems go like, nigga,
you're gay, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Like why are you putting on?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Did you do that?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And they also act like for black men, you have
to do that, you like, it's.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
In masculating and at the at the root of it.
It's like it's artistry because Flip Wilson did it and
it was wonderful. You know what I'm saying the way
he did.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It, Jamie Fox, Jammy Fox, like you know.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Mark Lawrence, everybody, and we always have this idea that
if we put on the dress, we're drinking the kool aid,
you know, And there is some of that in.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
The back of my you know, my mind.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That's got me a little like, I don't know, I
gotta think twice about that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The rappers are doing it and everything.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
There's been a few He's from Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
No young thug that was that was that was different.
But you know, shut out, you know, a.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Representative, we won't ask you to put on a dress.
I mean, you're not gonna have for me. I'm more
interested in seeing colors that I haven't quite seen before,
or like subverting what people would expect. And I hadn't
really seen the women in drag as much since. Like
there's a classic episode of two two seven shout out
to Marla Gibbs where they went under cover and we
(19:16):
were like, if we could pull this off and have
it really be a little more grounded and also have
it be suspenseful, like we're just kind of paying homage
to those women of comedy from two two seven and
doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
That was also shot at the Masonic Tempo, which is
legendary in Detroit. I feel like, is that the biggest
one in the United States?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Think it is.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's one of the oldest, and I think it's the biggest. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They always do events there, so yeah, as soon as
I saw that, there's so many, like Detroit is a
real character in the show, between the Cony's, the Masonic Temple,
all of the mannerisms and all of that, Like that
had to feel good for you.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I really do try to infuse it with the
specificity and the richness of the city. I think, you know,
we've seen New York so much, We've seen La so much.
I really just want to give people something a little
different and make it as specific as possible.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And I swear vessel Scaler baby, and that's yes. Yeah,
I saw this listen. I saw her and I was like,
I had skill a baby up here the other day too, yeah,
And I was like, oh, you need to have skill
a baby on the show.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And she was like, okay, did he give you ten percent.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, he's got God got me.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yes. But that was beautiful because I ran into you
and I know you also do a lot of beautiful
work in Detroit as well, which I love. And she
was like, yeah, you gotta have Skilla. I was like really,
And then we talked about it in the room and
we were like, we gotta have Scilla and it was
that was really the first time that I was like,
oh shit, I am a mom mom at this point
because he came in. He's so sweet. He only wants
(20:48):
to be called Trayvon. He was like, I'm not Skiller,
I'm an actor now. He was so sweet, but he's
in the role that he plays and one of the
scenes towards the end is very violent, and I was
so nervous. I was so nervous, and I kept being like,
are you okay? Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
He's been through a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He's been through a lot. And I was like, listen,
if something's not right, you just squeezed my hand and
I'll just tell them I got to go to the
bathroom and we can stop because I just you know,
you never know how trauma works. But he was so professional,
so good, so sweet, and I was just so happy
that we were one of his first acting experience.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
He said it was the best that he's ever been
on that makes period.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So he really like an open book, like he wanted
to learn, he wanted he was asking questions. You know,
he was really wanting to just show up as the
actor and not skill a baby. I really, I really
really respect that.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
He wants to do more sex scenes, he said too.
You know he's on the right show. How do you
feel about your scenes? How is you know? Oh, I
might getting I'm getting in trouble for this already, but
I think you know, I love depicting black women's sexuality, sexuality,
all that black You know, even though I am marrit
(22:04):
to white men, I still think black love is beautiful.
I still love employing black men. I still value very
much the relationships that I have with my nephews and
my friends. Like, for me, black love isn't just romantic,
and so I want to show that in all these
sides of black men and women, and there's a power
(22:25):
in sexuality, and I don't think women always realize the
power that we have and our sensuality and our sexuality,
And so I love being part of of showing that
and depicting that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Now, John aka Danger, who do you think ever wind
up with?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
You know, I get this a lot in my mind
is dangerous, of course, but I also feel like we
have a relationship that I think the part of me
is like, maybe that doesn't happen for the r in Danger,
because there's something about being on a on this path
with someone that you can just have a relationship with
(23:08):
that is no strings attached, and we don't really get
to see that in life or on TV, where it's like, no,
I genuinely love you and it's not I'm trying to
sleep with you.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's not like I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
To you wouldn't say no though.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know, you know, but I think I think Danger
will probably like at the at the very last second,
he'd be like, nah, this ain't right this.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I had a situation like that in my life.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Actually I had I might be telling too much, but
I had a h this is way back in the day.
But uh, a close friend of mine who I had
feelings for her boyfriend had committed suicide and one night
we was together and she was emotional and it could
have went there and it came very close and I.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Was like, nah, yeah, that is definitely nothing, right because.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I understand where this emotion is coming from, and I
kind of feel like that's what danger and dr is.
He would get to that point be like nah, because
then it's not going to be the same relationship.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So sorry to all y'all at one together.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Do you think that many women can be platonic as
friends if they're both like, you know, you might think
a person's attractive, but can you platonically be friends with somebody?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of course, some people don't think that. I think you can.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think you can. In certain I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I wouldn't say I will put it like across the board,
you know what I'm saying, Like this is just what
it is.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
But I think it's a situation by situation.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, answer, yeah, I would very political.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Now, another thing that gets brought up on the show,
which I think is interesting is biological clocks. Yeah right,
and also men's biological clocks, which we don't ever really
talk about. Yes, so me to thinking behind that particular scene.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, there was a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They they're actually linking autism to paternal age to male age,
Like there's this misconception that men can have babies for
ever and ever that you know they can, but there's
there's there's some risks involved. But I love this conversation because,
like I said, I have a lot of close male friends,
and that conversation does come up about legacy and wanting family.
(25:25):
And I doubly love Meth playing this character because we're
so used to him like Wu tang, like you know,
that hard, that super masculine, and I think it's nice
to see that side of men that want a family,
that want to be with one woman at a time
and raise a family. And I mean there's this one there.
You know. I have a lot of friends who have wonderful,
(25:45):
you know, wonderful husbands who are committed to fatherhood in
a different kind of way, you know, So that conversation
came up, and then with my girlfriends, we're always talking
about it. Especially right now, it's like the first time
I'm really feeling the inequality of the sexes because it's
like you got to pooper get off the pot at
some point as a woman. And so I just wanted
(26:07):
to reflect that conversation because it's something that I feel
like we're all having in real time, Like am I
going to have a kid. Am I going to have
another kid? And the stakes for some reason feel higher,
Like I feel more people talking about a hopelessness. Then
they don't know if they want to recreate and they
don't know if the world is ready for more kids.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And that's in the show, that's all and literally because
and I was thinking about it because you and Chris,
you really want to break up with him, Yeah, but
part of it is that he don't want to have kids.
When you date somebody, I think sometimes you also don't
think about whether or not they'll be a good parent,
Like you could really enjoy being with them, but could
this person be a good mom or dad? And people
(26:45):
have to take that into consideration more.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Absolutely that I was when I said, I this is
my wife Tanil. I was like, if something happened to
me and I look down, will I be happy with
the person I had kids with? And when I when
I had that, and it was like an older gentleman
he told me that he was like, if you if
you would have died to day and looked back down
(27:08):
in your life, would you be happy with the person
that you had kids with? That the lady, the woman
that is raising your kids and I was like, yo, yeah,
I would be. So that's a that's a major yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Felicia says it at the end of the first episode.
Who you choose to have kids with is the most
important decision of your life. I know so many people
that are in hell right because they made the wrong decision.
You know so many people. Yeah, even if things go wrong,
if you pick somebody that you think is a good
parent and that you have share values with, you can
(27:41):
still work through co parenting.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And that was that moment. It kind of was like
she was warning you don't have kids with. It was
a lot behind that, like walk away. Now somebody mama
telling you that that's true a kid.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Now, gentle parenting, that's also another topic when it comes
you know, being a parent.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I am going through the trenches right now. I'm trying
to do this gentle parents. I don't know who came up.
I really hard, but I'm like I'm leaving. I'm leaning
back on like how I came up. It's like, you know,
we're doing things like asking my son what he likes
to eat, what he wants to have for dinner. You
know what I'm saying, like giving him choices, you know
what I'm saying. Like when I was growing up, it
was like, no, this is what it's gonna be. You're
(28:29):
gonna eat or you don't. You know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That's it, And not getting from this table until you
finish all the vegetables and everything.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I am really In the other night, she was in
the bed and she was with my son. I was
recording her and she was like, I'm really he was
yelling because he just saw a spider man so he
still got the you know, that residual effects of the
hope getting angry in his mind. And Tanil's like he's
going on and on, and she's like, I'm I'm really
(28:58):
trying to be gentle right.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now and I'm about to slap this shit on.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's tough.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Our boys are are they two days apart? At wow? Yeah?
And we're He's a September Virgo and I'm in August Virgo,
which makes me the superior No, okayiod. But we're very
close in our astrology and our kids astrology. But I
think I just try to be a conscious parent and
not so I just want to think about what I'm
(29:26):
doing and be present with him. I don't hit him.
I don't. I don't think it's quite fair. It's like
you're so much bigger, but come on now, I think
sometimes love looks a lot of it looks tough for
it looks yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
What about that on the hand, none.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Of that, I haven't. You know my husband went black
Mama before I did. Oh yeah because with them, Oh yeah,
he got it because but he also took a couple
a whole cup of water and poured it right into
his computer and looked him dead in his soul while
he did it, like he was kind of like on
the COMMU. Yeah he got he got a.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Tap because he wouldn't get off of it or you
know what.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
That's I think that is what it is, because kids
are so logical. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
My friend was just telling me that she had to
take her kids iPad away for nine months because he
was addicted to it, like would not get off of
it and would have a fit if you tried to
say that's And she was like, I felt like he
was a I took it away for nine months.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I definitely think screens are the crack of our day
and that's the thing we have to be really really
careful with with our kids. And it's such a crutch
because sometimes you know, you just want to have a
dinner or something, just like all right, man, just watch something.
But it is a crutch, it is my The thing
that I'm looking out for the most, I think is
how to limit his screen time and keep him pressent, yeah,
(30:51):
because you.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Don't want to get the screens to raise him, but
you also need some time to get.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Some work done, yeah, and be outside doing oh yeah,
because you're like I. They're quiet when they're on there,
and they're entertained.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yes, and they don't know how to be bored. Ps.
This is how my whole career started is I was
in my room by myself, talking to myself, making shit up,
you know. So it's like a whole fundamental part of
my personality developed from being bored and having nothing to do.
And kids are they just don't do that in the
same way. They always want to be entertained every second,
and they candy and they.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Can't be daddy, will you playing with me?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And I'll be feeling so bad when I'd be like,
I'm trying to do something right now and I'm like
and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
No, and okay, I'm trying to do something.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I remember Shonda rohmes what she was doing her Year
of Yes. She said, every single time her kids said
will you play with me? She said yes. For that year,
she said every single time. But you know, for a
quick you know, clearly she didn't cancel her whole day,
but she said every time she would be like, Okay,
let's play something, and she would be present with her
kid and play. So I think about that. I think
(32:01):
her year was good, you know what I mean. I
think she was happier, you know, just being president, opening herself.
I love that you bought it, that Year of Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It's so funny because at the same time, they were
also books saying the opposite, to just say no, right,
and if you don't automatically say yes in your head,
then the answer is no, right. And I remember that
was a thing at the same time that Year of
Yes was happening. Because I feel like I lead with yes,
and I know there's some people that lead with no, right,
(32:32):
you know.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think that's so important too. People think that there's
a prescription for there's a diet, there's a self help book,
like people don't think about the what's specific to you.
That's like, I just got in a little bit of
trouble for being like women need to open up their
sexuality and black women to have more sex than you know,
enjoy their whole phase more. And it's like if you're
already a hole. But the thing is, if you're already
(32:54):
a ho, clearly I'm not talking to you right. If
you're somebody that's felt boxed in by having to be
a good girl and are thinking about how do I
free myself from this, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You need just say something. So that scene. When I
was younger, I had these T shirts that said hose
by winning. Really yes, but the whole point of that
when I did that, and it was like a whole
thing that I did and literally had T shirt.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You had it made or you bought it made. Oh
my god, I love this, Angela.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
But I'm gonna tell you why I did it. I
did it because I felt like the power that people
have if they want to say something negative about you
as a woman, the first thing they say is your
a whole. Whether or not you are, they're gonna say it.
So there were a lot of people in media at
that time that people were calling a hole, like they'll
be like Kim Kardashian, she's oh this person home, And
(33:45):
I was like, well, they're all winning, And so I
had did this shirt called hoseby Winning to kind of
take away the power of people calling you a hole
just because they're trying to put you down, right, And
everybody's definition of what a hoe is is different, Like
I look at you, you're a hoe. I sleeping with
people's husbands and you side piece. But if you are
protecting yourself having a good time and you know what
(34:05):
it is, you're really not a whole. You're just like,
what's the problem, right? You know, if you're confident in
the choices that you're making.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, and you still have to have discernment in any
season of any season of your life. But I think
that's so that's so true. That's the fastest way to
disrespect a woman and make the rest of what she
has to say irrelevant, you know, to just say diminish
her in that way.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So she got that job because she did you know,
she only got the show because husband's show running.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He got that job because he was with me. So
let's talk about this no, no, no, but yeah, but I
just I just fully agree. My point is just I
just want black women to think about the boxes that
they've been placed in, or that they've placed themselves in,
and if it's uncomfortable in there, think about how you
get out of it. That's all.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, I didn't really see if it's so funny when
I saw that part of the show where you were
talking to her about that, and and I think there
was a little also you'd been like, well, it didn't
work out. But but also it made me think about
how I had those shirts and the purpose of me
doing that, because everybody kept being like, she's a hole,
she's a whole, she got that, well, she's a whole,
And I was like, everybody relaxed, like because men don't
(35:16):
get labeled that way. And to be honest, if a
guy has slept with a whole lot of people, I
you know, that's not necessarily a turn on either. I
think it's okay, but y'all gotta have discernment too. It's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Look, I got a past.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Everybody has a past.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
What you mean, But no, I'm just saying, you know
I have my.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Oh you had a hope.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But you know, sometimes y'all, everybody go to your system,
you know what.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I just like, I am shout out to Baby Sigma
Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I am. Even though they try to play us latest episode.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
We love We love all the Black Greeks. We love
them all.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
We wait, I'm getting on down the way.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
She says she had a story behind it.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, that took it out. That took me out.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
We loved it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean the traditions
are due.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Oh my god, y'all have Bill dul you know, you know,
and that was the first thing I thought of when
I saw him, And so was that intentional for us
to think about his presence from that scene?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I mean we love to that is true. We
do love to bring people in and either make use
like That's the other thing about Vonda two is like,
even though the Felicia was Shad's character is like, she's
still everybody's mother. She's still the quintessential mother, you know,
and so we flip it. And that's the same thing
with Bill Duke. But for me, he directed Sister Act two,
which is a big movie for me, Like that's one
of my favorite movies and it just was like we
(36:44):
almost like kissed his hand, like he just had so
much respect and love for him and for that that
crop of talent that really paved the way for us.
And it was very cool that he's still working. I
think he's not to sell his business, but I think
he's eighty five.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, something like, man is the presence.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
His presence alone is just it's like, damn, that's Bill Duke,
you know.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And he's the same. Yeah he does. He's a vegan.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
He's a big okay, looking up at him, like, damn, man,
that's I didn't.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I didn't. I got the I took the dream.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
It was twelve, twelve o'clock.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Fucked up.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I can't help it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I can't help it.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
So I said.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I was like, I took yeah, yeah, twelve, I took it.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I love how your mind works, I said. And he
still looks good. You said he's a vegan.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I think he's a vegan. He's heditator. Okay, he's like danger.
He told me he meditates every day for like hours
or something at a time.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Him at a farmer's market in the fish section.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Fish.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I didn't see him eating fish, but he was in
the he was in the meat section at.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
The marketing Listen. Even when I was a vegan, I
had a Turkey Burger vegan. I'm not a vegan anymore,
but when I was a vegan, die hard. But that
Turkey Burger called my like once a week. I think
he's a vegan. I know we talked a lot about meditation,
but he is a like a meditator, that's his thing.
(38:10):
But I think he might be a vegan too.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Now listen before because they're saying, you guys have to
get out of here. But I've had a couple of
quick things here. Number one, have you thought about doing
stand up comedy or is that something on your bucket list?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's scary. I played a stand up comedian in the
Twilight Zone and it was so fun. But I went
up once, like actually I went up once in college
and that went well, and then I went up just
to prep for the show. And to me, stand up
is scarier than acting, cause it's just like you don't
have any character to hide behind.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And you wrote on the last og you are around
a bunch of comedy sattoo.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I feel very comfortable around comedians because I can say
anything and they'll want up me they will be like, oh,
this is great, but I don't know. I've thought about
it before. But I don't know. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Why are you as I was just asking because yeah,
that's what I'm saying is you're very funny, and I
just thought that it could be a natural and I
was wondering if it was something that you had been
thinking about at all.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I have thought about it before.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well, let this be your sign, because I know y'all
believe in signs.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yes, shout out a. That's my favorite comedian right now.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Oh he's amazing, Oh my god, and being independent the
way that he's doing it on YouTube and get a
millions of views. That's his favorite comedian too.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, the best storyteller in the game, the gold storyteller.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And then has season three been approved yet? I gotta
ask because and I know it's tough.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
With the merger.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I saw this whole article about in particular, they were
talking about dr from Detroit and they were like, it
would be a shame in this merger for amazing shows
with great writing like this to get lost in the
shuffle or being limbo. It was a full on article
about how amazing this show is and how the merger
could affect a show like this.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, we haven't been picked up for season three yet,
but you know we're just like, check us out, ride
with us, watch the show, and you know, hopefully we will.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
It should be because the conversations around it. And I
do feel like now with season two, it's gotten more
and more like season one. Great, I watch it, but
I feel like people are super discovering. But maybe it
is the paramount plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why now it's.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Not a lot I will say a lot of it's
not a lot of black shows right now, tell me
about it.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So, yeah, I feel like they cancel our shows faster,
Like you know, there's certain shows they'll give it a chance.
They'll be like, well, it's critically a claim even though
it's not there, we'll give it some time.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Absolutely. That's why we were like asking audiences to lock in.
I see a lot of people like, I can't take it.
It's too much suspense and stress. I'm waiting until they
all build up. I'm like, no, ma'am, can you please
take your behind home?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
And the end, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, we're always held to a higher standard. I mean,
we we been knew that. So yeah, but yeah, we're
asking folks to lock in. And you know, the Shy
was such a big show on Paramount. I saw some
people being like, I'm about to cancel this as soon
as the last episode. I'm like, no, no, no, tick around.
There's still some some stuff going on. So yeah, we
(41:10):
are definitely asking audiences to tune in because we think
it'll be one of the most fun hours of your week.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yea, truly, I agree. I enjoy it so much. And
I had to go back and watch them at the
first season because I'm like, damn, it's been a minute.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
It's been a minute. Yes, that's the scope right now.
It's like two three years between seasons, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Which is why they should pick us up so we
could start writing. So we're going to get to it. Yeah,
it's not those long gaps, but yeah, that is something
that's the interesting thing about streaming is it can take
a long time when they wait to see for a
long time to see how the show does.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
And then I got to ask about Pea Valley, was
this speaking of a long time?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Oh my god, I'm like so yeah. I mean we've
wrapped that in like November twenty.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Four, so it's been that's wild.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Last I heard to be out this year late this year,
you know, maybe November October is don't quote me. This
is just a whole time mind, you know, but the
people are ready for it. I'm ready for folks to
see me in this character because it's a very different
character from Danger and the other ones I've played, So
(42:20):
it's gonna be a lot of fun. And yeah, man,
and I hope that this isn't like I know that
this is what's going on. We're just talking about like
the time in between seasons, but this has been like,
you know, like come on, guys, So I'm hoping that
this isn't like a new thing that's going to be
here for a while. Hopefully we can get some word,
(42:42):
you know, in the meantime, watch when pe Valley drops.
I know the number is gonna go through the roof.
Everybody ready for that one.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Because we have Nico, who plays Uncle Clifford on that
show in this season and he's a native Detroiter as well,
so I was so happy to get him in the show.
But he'll post about our show, people be like why
is Like I want to know to shout out to
Tori too. Creator of Pussy Valley, P Valley the same thing.
Whatever the Valley had to change it the name of
(43:15):
the play. Yeah, p Valley tell us about the pussy again.
It's a beautiful thing. It is the Cadillac of the
human and that it's so funny. One of my girls
works for Cadillac. I hear that scene, like, I hope
you enjoyed that product place. Do I get a Cadillac
or what? It's probably like, yeah, they're like, that's not
(43:36):
what we were hoping for, but listen, it's true.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
And I saw you had set on social media. Maybe
a book series is.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Something people have been on my neck about a book series.
I'm like, y'all be trying to give me more jobs,
stand up author. I feel like the show is the book. Like,
I feel like we try to put as much depth
into the characters that it feels like and I do
people see people say that did this come from a book?
It should feel like it has that much depth, But no,
I haven't. I haven't written a novel yet. That'll have
(44:06):
to be job number A. Y'all want me to be Jamaican,
so maad y.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, thank y'all both for joining me today. Honestly was
a pleasure. I was so excited to have you. I
know we've been trying to do this for a long
time every time I see you, but like y and
we finally made it happen.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I love you, Angela. Oh, I love you too.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Dr from Detroit one of the year's top ten shows
by Deadline, Rolling Stone, and The Hollywood Reporter. Some multiple
n double ACP Image Awards, and Independent Spirit Award nominations.
And you got a Gracie Award for a breakthrough row,
which is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I love that room. Yes, and you got an award
that same night, right, Yes, I did. Yes, we was
in there. I know that I was in there.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Again. And John, thank you so much for joining us too.
And hopefully when this season ends, we'll see you in
pe Valley.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Come before the end of this year.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
All right, put it in an atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Is coming.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
They already say it's coming. We just don't have a date, all.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Right, it's way up.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah,
What's up his way up at Angela Yee and y'all know,
this is like season two of Diera from Detroit, but
this is honestly the show that everybody is talking about.
And Diera Ka Patrick is here, John Chafan is here.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And if you can't see this, John has on all
of his Detroit paraphernalia at once.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You know what it is. When we were shooting, we
put him in Alliance Jersey okay, and he spent the
entire episode talking about, oh, my skin is burning and
oh I don't know if I could take this, and
so it was so mean and sad that I think
he's trying to make it up, make it up.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I am. I am originally from Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
So this is me showing love to Detroit because I
feel like an honorary detroiter.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Dey's been showing you a lot of love.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Like it's kind of yeah, you know, I'm from the
East Side, though I'm not reside.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
On It's funny.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I did my podcast live in Detroit and I asked
some of the women that were on stage. I said,
where do they have better men? The East Side or
the West Side? What they say this, what would you
say the west side? They said the east side?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Really, yeah, they sho interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
It is interesting people's different perspectives. But you guys, did
did you film this season? I know the first season
you didn't film in Detroit? What about this season?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
No, we haven't been able to shoot there yet.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We are.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We are hoping for the taxing centives to come back.
I mean, you know, we are a show of a
certain budget and so we need that tax incentive. So
first season we shot in Jersey, second season we shot
in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, Yeah, the budget looks good, though, I want to say,
whatever they're doing, it looks like a high budget, you know,
like y'all pulled that on the Stops and you got
a lot of special guests.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, it's really smart producing. It's really great department heads
who know how to come in on budget and it's
but yes, we work hard with what we have.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it's interesting. On threads, I saw a conversation what
I don't know what's on thread No. I saw a
conversation for season two people saying, how come no one
told me about this show and now they're going back.
I want to know what you thought I was about
to say.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Who knows, who knows? No. I love that too. People
are just discovering the first season and the second season,
and that's the that's the beauty of being on a
larger platform. We're just exposed to a larger audience. So
it makes me happy when people say they're just now
finding the show and enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
John, you play a character danger but it feels like
is he dangerous? It feels like a.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
He's he will kill I got a couple, I got
a couple of bodies.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You seem like a nice, good guy.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
See I haven't obviously the whole season is not out yet. Yeah,
so I don't know where this is going.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, he will drop bodies. But I think that's the
thing about the show, is like, yes, he is a killer,
but that's not the end of the story.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's like people are complicated. He's a farmer, he's a killer.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I mean, that's why I love That's why I love
Danger so much is because we get to show I
get to show like the multi faceted black man. It's
like we're not just one one thing, you know, We're
you know, lovers, we're providers with protectors you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
In some instances killers, but you know.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
That's some instances you got, you know, if I got
if I'm a girl, dad, I understand how you feeling.
But Noah, I enjoy being able to show that we
can be all these things in one you know, it's not.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Just stereotypical.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Storytelling, and he's not a stereotypical character, and that's what
I love about him.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What I also love about the show is when I
first came out, because I remember I was like, dr
from Detroit?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What you know? What is this about to be about?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Because I was watching from the first season and just
from the title alone, I'm like, what is this? You know,
because clearly Detroit is a big character in the show
as well. Yes, I did not know it was going
to be like a mystery type of show, and I
like that because I don't feel like we have enough
of that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, I think it's unexpected, and I also think black women,
like everybody has one friend in their group that's the investigator.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Y's me, it's you, yes, And listen, as one of
my fans started dating somebody, I'd be like, girl, you know,
in twenty twelve, this happened, and I will find out
all the information. I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, we areful, We are resourceful, and I love that.
And so I wanted to see black women at the
forefront of figuring stuff out. I mean even I mean
even in some of the headlines you see, we're I
see black women on socials like I'm trying to figure
out the crime scene. I'm trying to figure out everything,
like we get in the middle of it in I mean,
the show is a comedy first for sure, but we
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also touch on some real issues and one of those
is that our communities need self policing. Sometimes we can't
always rely on systems and governments to take care of
us the way we take care of ourselves. And that's
that's from the beginning of time, you know, all the
way from like the Scottsboro Boys, their mothers were the
ones that got them out of jail, and you know,
wouldn't let go of the fight, and so I just
want to honor that part of it. And then also
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we are chronically unseerious on the show.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So I mean, we're gonna get to that in a second.
But John, I'm gonna ask you are men like this,
like how we are the ones that are always trying
to like, if your homeboys dating somebody, I know you're married,
but if one of your friends, are you gonna like
do the research and be like, I mean, we're not.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
We're not Nancy Drew with it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We're gonna, y'all do a vibe chat.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, we definitely, we definitely do a vibe chat. Were
definitely gonna let her let my partner know, like, I
don't know if she's the one, you know what I'm saying.
If so, the number one thing, you can just go
out for drinks, like just meet up and you can
get her energy right there.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And what we're gonna do is we checking energy. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
We're trying to see how she's reacting to certain things
and how she's how it's gonna play out. So there's
a level of you know what I'm saying, Nancy Drew
and you know, murder she wrote in us, But we're not.
We're gonna let our partner fall in his face and
then laugh at him and pick them up.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And black man, I told you.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So, And you right about this unseeriousness, because when Chris
aka Deontae goes to see his family that he don't know,
like that at the cookout, I mean they're saying stuff
because for people who haven't seen the show, and this
is not a spoiler, he was kidnapped, you know, and
they keep saying stuff like now that you go get
kidnapped again and like that yet find it something that
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is like traumatic, but it's a joke.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's so real though. We talked about that so much
in the writer's room, Like you know, they were roasting
for being kidnapped, and also like now he's back. He's
six to two, he's a formidable guy, so it's hard
to imagine him as this little helpless boy. But you know,
black folks will roast you on a thing.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Anything, that's what we do.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Anything, your most painful thing, that's about to be your nickname.
And yeah, we talked about that how roason is a
love language and in some ways it's really beautiful and
then in some ways, you know, it's something that we
can look at. Yeah, you know, how ruthless we can
be inside of our families and inside of our relationships.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And shout out to comedian CP because he killed Oh
my gosh, he was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
How much if that was scripted? And how much of
it did he improv?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know, I'm always on him. I'm like, can I
please get the scripted line and then you can go
and have fun. But he's he improved a lot, but
a lot of it was scripted. And then he's also
in the room. Okay, so some of it was stuff
he said in a room that I I'm like, this
is still your line? Can you please just say the
scripted line that I wrote that you said? But yeah,
that's him, And I feel like that character is connected
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with so many people, and it's like everybody has that
roaster and a family and everybody had that roaster in
there middle school and see he was actually mine, Like
we went to middle school together. Oh wow, so that's
a real thing. Yeah, it's a real thing. And it's
so funny because he told me he has a memory
that I don't remember at all. He claims that I
pushed him down the stairs one day in middle school,
which do us seem like I would push somebody? Do
(08:02):
I seem like that I would ever do? He was
very small. I will say that I probably you definitely
get it. I probably gave him a little nudge and
his dramatic ass fell and rolled all the way down
(08:22):
the steps. But the thing is he remembers the alleged
I'll say alleged pushing. But when I asked him, what
did you say before I pushed your eyes down the stairs,
He's always like, oh, I can't remember that part. Okay
he draws a bully. Not okay, I'm just asking now.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I was such a black nerd. I mean we went
to a middle school for black nerds and Detroit, and
it was really from preschool to eighth grade, so we
went to a black nerd school, the Black Nerds School.
There were some bullies, but I don't think I was one.
I mean, the truth of the matter is my name
is two letters away from diarrhea. Okay, So one thing
(09:05):
I was always going to have is clap backs, you
know what I mean. That was something that I was
going to have to develop. So but no, I was
not a bully. I was like the student council vice
president or something.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And yes, what were you like as a kid? Did
you know?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I was?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I was easier Sunday morning as school as a fan man, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I was.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I had friends, I was not in the middle of anything.
But I had friends that was always in some stuff.
So that's why we're danger. I can pull from life
some real life you know what I'm saying, situations. But nah,
I was chill man. I got two older sisters, so
I know how when y'all talking about the investigation and stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You know, because they did that.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
For my whole life.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I got home, they were checking everything until I said
I do to my wife. Even my mom gave my
wife the side eye.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Really at the wedding, your wife is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
She is too, and she told her. She's like, I
don't even remember doing that. She was like, oh, yeah,
we were.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You're the only boy.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm the only boy.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's why.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's why I'm the youngest, right.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So that's just because you were her baby, not because
of because Neil is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Shout out shout out to.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But they liked that, Like when you dated before that,
where you did you bring.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Her any any any female, any any lady I brought.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
They was checking him. She was checking them, and my
sisters would be like, I don't she ain't.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
The one, but you don't even know one. It's like
it's like an intuition y'all had.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Like they was right until you got your wife.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I know you've talked about bringing your husband home for
the first time to meet your dad. How long did
it take for him.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
To be like, okay, we like him. It took a minute,
my husband said, my dad called him that guy for
the first fifteen years, Like is that guy over there?
But I don't. I feel like it only took five
maybe five verse six, But you have to My dad
was a black nationalist preacher, so his whole thing was
(11:07):
Jesus Christ was a black revolutionary sinned by God to
protect black people from the oppression of a white gentile world.
And the white gentile world said hello, sir. So it's
took a minute. You know. I do believe that whoever
you can't stand ends up in your family, which is
why I try to have grace and give grace to every.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Let's say, you know, my mom is black, my dad
is Chinese, and my grandparents were not happy when my
dad married. They did not go to the wedding. Wow, yeah,
my dad's parents. Because it's I always feel like it's
people who don't accept normally, it's that how were his parents?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I want to ask that his parents are great. They're
like hippies, Northern California hippies.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
They were.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Is very chill and he works on he's he's how
is that working with your husband? I love it. I
mean the truth. Yeah, I'm like Dad.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I can't. I don't. Everybody don't.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I know a lot of a lot of people say that,
But I feel like it's great because he understands how
my mind works. He understands he speaks the r very well.
It saves a lot of time and energy. We sort
of we went to n y U together, so we
think about making art in the same way. It's just
I love it.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I think y'all y'all compliment each other very much, very
much like when you Miles is like the complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, very very chill.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So chilled. I was like, I see why that works.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I'm much more excitable everybody. Every everybody's nervous. Am
I showing boob? No?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Everybody?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But they're monetary. They're monetary. Yeah, we're not doing the
peep show.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What we'll do is we'll put a line over something happens.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, yes, yeah, y'all have to pay me. My boobs
come out. You look great. Though, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I want to say that listen, out fits be outfitting
on the show. To talk to me about that because
even from that first scene when you come out in
season two episode and that orange dress, yes it is fire.
So talk to me about just even the process of
making sure you got the right clothes, because I'm like,
how is she so flat?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You're a teacher? Yeah, right right, that's where we Yeah,
we're stretching reality a little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Funny, my favorite thing was first season, I'm doing the
scene with Ojia where I'm crying and I'm like, I
need some money, I need some help, and I had
on a burbary trend. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Very that's very laid out. You're gonna be fly.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You could be at the bus stop, but you're gonna
look good for sure. So yeah, I mean that's part
of the city is that we do like to put
that ship on and I wanted to reflect that. But
our costume designers they just do an amazing job. You know.
Dominique really has to kind of mix the high and
the low because that dress I have in the open,
that's like from the Motherland, handcrafted. It's like a fifteen
hundred dollars dress that we have to have multiples of
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and then sometimes I'm in fashion Ova. You know, it's
just how it's style. But yeah, it's one of my
favorite parts about the show is that it's kind of
visually arresting too. You can watch it once and then
you can watch it again, just for the clothes and
for the for the cinematography, and the writing is so
good on air.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that's amazing, because, you know, sometimes it is
really hard for me to find a show.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Where I enjoy that part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think reality TV has taken over so much and
I'm watching a lot of that, And then you know,
sometimes I watch a lot of shows too where it's
very easy. You don't got to pay that much attention.
It's just kind of background and it's not much to
catch up on. But with this, like I have it
on sometimes, like while I'm in the morning, when I'm
getting my makeup done, my makeup artist.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is like, oh, I got to catch up.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
This show is funny because even if you haven't seen
it from the beginning, you hear the punchlines are very
clever and well done.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thank you. Yeah, I mean, we try to make the
show for everybody, so I already said I was a
black nurse. So it's like, this is a show. If
you want to lock in on the clues and like
really lean in and put your phone down and lock in,
we have something for you. But if you just want
a good time and you just want to laugh at
the punchlines and see some foolishness, we have instrenanigans. We
have that for you too. But yeah, we work really
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hard on the scripts. I'm like working on them until
they pride them out of my hands to get ready
to produce the episodes. And yeah, I'm just I'm glad
that people are enjoying that part of it because it
really is sort of an anti AI show, like we
do everything we can to be like this was made
by humans for humans, and you know, it really is
(15:42):
the inside the madness of.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
NO and people have to realize for super quality work
like this.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Thank you, you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Know, isms you know what I'm saying, there's things that
we understand as black folks that AI can't pick up
because they ain't walked in our shoes and have our epigenetics.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So this needs to be written.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
To keep your name on the show. You know, it
was one of those things where I felt like I
had tried other stuff like I had, I had developed
a lot before, and I had never used my name before,
and I felt like in some ways it was for
me talking to God, like I'm ready. I don't know.
It was a It was a weird It was a
weird thing. But I also just love my name. Like
(16:28):
I said, it's part of my origin story, Like it
is a West African name, so I love that it
connects me to the diaspora. But it also is you know,
had to have some thick skin with this name going
to You're gonna say my name, say my name, And
even still people will watch this whole dang on show
and still not call me Dara. They would still be like, Diara,
(16:48):
that was amazing. Sorry, Yeah, I'm like, wow, you watched
all a episodes and you still calling me DiiA. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And you got the Kilpatrick famous last name to your
name is just ringing them bells.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Girl.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah that is your half brother, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
We are the same dad allegedly. Now listen now that
the episode came out last night, everybody's asking me was
Denzel Washington and Detroit and eight because they sounded so
much like John David Washington with the beard and the
and the man, the man drag outfit. So I don't know,
Denzel call me. I think. I think Bernard Kilpatrick is
(17:23):
my dad.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You know what's interesting? You dressed up as a man. Now,
if a man dresses up as a woman, yeah, that
turns into a whole conversation. Yeah, but you and Dominique
dssed up as man. First of all, y'all was cute.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I love that, But that was not like you know
how if like John, I'm sure for you, you'd be like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Ain't doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's not the same type and don't hit the.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Same you know, it's different, you know, especially for black men.
You know what I'm saying. White guys can go out
there and do it. They're artistically, you know, stretching their
their wings. But we are always judged by the characters
that we play. So if I go put on a dress,
as soon as I go back home, my problems go like, nigga,
you're gay, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Like why are you putting on?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Did you do that?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And they also act like for black men, you have
to do that, you like, it's.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
In masculating and at the at the root of it.
It's like it's artistry because Flip Wilson did it and
it was wonderful. You know what I'm saying the way
he did.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It, Jamie Fox, Jammy Fox, like you know.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Mark Lawrence, everybody, and we always have this idea that
if we put on the dress, we're drinking the kool aid,
you know, And there is some of that in.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
The back of my you know, my mind.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That's got me a little like, I don't know, I
gotta think twice about that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The rappers are doing it and everything.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
There's been a few He's from Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
No young thug that was that was that was different.
But you know, shut out, you know, a.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Representative, we won't ask you to put on a dress.
I mean, you're not gonna have for me. I'm more
interested in seeing colors that I haven't quite seen before,
or like subverting what people would expect. And I hadn't
really seen the women in drag as much since. Like
there's a classic episode of two two seven shout out
to Marla Gibbs where they went under cover and we
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were like, if we could pull this off and have
it really be a little more grounded and also have
it be suspenseful, like we're just kind of paying homage
to those women of comedy from two two seven and
doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
That was also shot at the Masonic Tempo, which is
legendary in Detroit. I feel like, is that the biggest
one in the United States?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Think it is.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's one of the oldest, and I think it's the biggest. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They always do events there, so yeah, as soon as
I saw that, there's so many, like Detroit is a
real character in the show, between the Cony's, the Masonic Temple,
all of the mannerisms and all of that, Like that
had to feel good for you.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I really do try to infuse it with the
specificity and the richness of the city. I think, you know,
we've seen New York so much, We've seen La so much.
I really just want to give people something a little
different and make it as specific as possible.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And I swear vessel Scaler baby, and that's yes. Yeah,
I saw this listen. I saw her and I was like,
I had skill a baby up here the other day too, yeah,
And I was like, oh, you need to have skill
a baby on the show.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And she was like, okay, did he give you ten percent.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, he's got God got me.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yes. But that was beautiful because I ran into you
and I know you also do a lot of beautiful
work in Detroit as well, which I love. And she
was like, yeah, you gotta have Skilla. I was like really,
And then we talked about it in the room and
we were like, we gotta have Scilla and it was
that was really the first time that I was like,
oh shit, I am a mom mom at this point
because he came in. He's so sweet. He only wants
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to be called Trayvon. He was like, I'm not Skiller,
I'm an actor now. He was so sweet, but he's
in the role that he plays and one of the
scenes towards the end is very violent, and I was
so nervous. I was so nervous, and I kept being like,
are you okay? Are you okay?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
He's been through a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He's been through a lot. And I was like, listen,
if something's not right, you just squeezed my hand and
I'll just tell them I got to go to the
bathroom and we can stop because I just you know,
you never know how trauma works. But he was so professional,
so good, so sweet, and I was just so happy
that we were one of his first acting experience.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
He said it was the best that he's ever been
on that makes period.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So he really like an open book, like he wanted
to learn, he wanted he was asking questions. You know,
he was really wanting to just show up as the
actor and not skill a baby. I really, I really
really respect that.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
He wants to do more sex scenes, he said too.
You know he's on the right show. How do you
feel about your scenes? How is you know? Oh, I
might getting I'm getting in trouble for this already, but
I think you know, I love depicting black women's sexuality, sexuality,
all that black You know, even though I am marrit
(22:04):
to white men, I still think black love is beautiful.
I still love employing black men. I still value very
much the relationships that I have with my nephews and
my friends. Like, for me, black love isn't just romantic,
and so I want to show that in all these
sides of black men and women, and there's a power
(22:25):
in sexuality, and I don't think women always realize the
power that we have and our sensuality and our sexuality,
And so I love being part of of showing that
and depicting that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Now, John aka Danger, who do you think ever wind
up with?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
You know, I get this a lot in my mind
is dangerous, of course, but I also feel like we
have a relationship that I think the part of me
is like, maybe that doesn't happen for the r in Danger,
because there's something about being on a on this path
with someone that you can just have a relationship with
(23:08):
that is no strings attached, and we don't really get
to see that in life or on TV, where it's like, no,
I genuinely love you and it's not I'm trying to
sleep with you.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's not like I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
To you wouldn't say no though.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know, you know, but I think I think Danger
will probably like at the at the very last second,
he'd be like, nah, this ain't right this.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I had a situation like that in my life.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Actually I had I might be telling too much, but
I had a h this is way back in the day.
But uh, a close friend of mine who I had
feelings for her boyfriend had committed suicide and one night
we was together and she was emotional and it could
have went there and it came very close and I.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Was like, nah, yeah, that is definitely nothing, right because.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I understand where this emotion is coming from, and I
kind of feel like that's what danger and dr is.
He would get to that point be like nah, because
then it's not going to be the same relationship.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So sorry to all y'all at one together.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Do you think that many women can be platonic as
friends if they're both like, you know, you might think
a person's attractive, but can you platonically be friends with somebody?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of course, some people don't think that. I think you can.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think you can. In certain I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I wouldn't say I will put it like across the board,
you know what I'm saying, Like this is just what
it is.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
But I think it's a situation by situation.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, answer, yeah, I would very political.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Now, another thing that gets brought up on the show,
which I think is interesting is biological clocks. Yeah right,
and also men's biological clocks, which we don't ever really
talk about. Yes, so me to thinking behind that particular scene.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, there was a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They they're actually linking autism to paternal age to male age,
Like there's this misconception that men can have babies for
ever and ever that you know they can, but there's
there's there's some risks involved. But I love this conversation because,
like I said, I have a lot of close male friends,
and that conversation does come up about legacy and wanting family.
(25:25):
And I doubly love Meth playing this character because we're
so used to him like Wu tang, like you know,
that hard, that super masculine, and I think it's nice
to see that side of men that want a family,
that want to be with one woman at a time
and raise a family. And I mean there's this one there.
You know. I have a lot of friends who have wonderful,
(25:45):
you know, wonderful husbands who are committed to fatherhood in
a different kind of way, you know, So that conversation
came up, and then with my girlfriends, we're always talking
about it. Especially right now, it's like the first time
I'm really feeling the inequality of the sexes because it's
like you got to pooper get off the pot at
some point as a woman. And so I just wanted
(26:07):
to reflect that conversation because it's something that I feel
like we're all having in real time, Like am I
going to have a kid. Am I going to have
another kid? And the stakes for some reason feel higher,
Like I feel more people talking about a hopelessness. Then
they don't know if they want to recreate and they
don't know if the world is ready for more kids.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
And that's in the show, that's all and literally because
and I was thinking about it because you and Chris,
you really want to break up with him, Yeah, but
part of it is that he don't want to have kids.
When you date somebody, I think sometimes you also don't
think about whether or not they'll be a good parent,
Like you could really enjoy being with them, but could
this person be a good mom or dad? And people
(26:45):
have to take that into consideration more.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Absolutely that I was when I said, I this is
my wife Tanil. I was like, if something happened to
me and I look down, will I be happy with
the person I had kids with? And when I when
I had that, and it was like an older gentleman
he told me that he was like, if you if
you would have died to day and looked back down
(27:08):
in your life, would you be happy with the person
that you had kids with? That the lady, the woman
that is raising your kids and I was like, yo, yeah,
I would be. So that's a that's a major yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Felicia says it at the end of the first episode.
Who you choose to have kids with is the most
important decision of your life. I know so many people
that are in hell right because they made the wrong decision.
You know so many people. Yeah, even if things go wrong,
if you pick somebody that you think is a good
parent and that you have share values with, you can
(27:41):
still work through co parenting.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And that was that moment. It kind of was like
she was warning you don't have kids with. It was
a lot behind that, like walk away. Now somebody mama
telling you that that's true a kid.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Now, gentle parenting, that's also another topic when it comes
you know, being a parent.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I am going through the trenches right now. I'm trying
to do this gentle parents. I don't know who came up.
I really hard, but I'm like I'm leaving. I'm leaning
back on like how I came up. It's like, you know,
we're doing things like asking my son what he likes
to eat, what he wants to have for dinner. You
know what I'm saying, like giving him choices, you know
what I'm saying. Like when I was growing up, it
was like, no, this is what it's gonna be. You're
(28:29):
gonna eat or you don't. You know what I'm saying, And.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That's it, And not getting from this table until you
finish all the vegetables and everything.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I am really In the other night, she was in
the bed and she was with my son. I was
recording her and she was like, I'm really he was
yelling because he just saw a spider man so he
still got the you know, that residual effects of the
hope getting angry in his mind. And Tanil's like he's
going on and on, and she's like, I'm I'm really
(28:58):
trying to be gentle right.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now and I'm about to slap this shit on.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's tough.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Our boys are are they two days apart? At wow? Yeah?
And we're He's a September Virgo and I'm in August Virgo,
which makes me the superior No, okayiod. But we're very
close in our astrology and our kids astrology. But I
think I just try to be a conscious parent and
not so I just want to think about what I'm
(29:26):
doing and be present with him. I don't hit him.
I don't. I don't think it's quite fair. It's like
you're so much bigger, but come on now, I think
sometimes love looks a lot of it looks tough for
it looks yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
What about that on the hand, none.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Of that, I haven't. You know my husband went black
Mama before I did. Oh yeah because with them, Oh yeah,
he got it because but he also took a couple
a whole cup of water and poured it right into
his computer and looked him dead in his soul while
he did it, like he was kind of like on
the COMMU. Yeah he got he got a.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Tap because he wouldn't get off of it or you
know what.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
That's I think that is what it is, because kids
are so logical. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
My friend was just telling me that she had to
take her kids iPad away for nine months because he
was addicted to it, like would not get off of
it and would have a fit if you tried to
say that's And she was like, I felt like he
was a I took it away for nine months.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I definitely think screens are the crack of our day
and that's the thing we have to be really really
careful with with our kids. And it's such a crutch
because sometimes you know, you just want to have a
dinner or something, just like all right, man, just watch something.
But it is a crutch, it is my The thing
that I'm looking out for the most, I think is
how to limit his screen time and keep him pressent, yeah,
(30:51):
because you.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Don't want to get the screens to raise him, but
you also need some time to get.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Some work done, yeah, and be outside doing oh yeah,
because you're like I. They're quiet when they're on there,
and they're entertained.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yes, and they don't know how to be bored. Ps.
This is how my whole career started is I was
in my room by myself, talking to myself, making shit up,
you know. So it's like a whole fundamental part of
my personality developed from being bored and having nothing to do.
And kids are they just don't do that in the
same way. They always want to be entertained every second,
and they candy and they.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Can't be daddy, will you playing with me?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And I'll be feeling so bad when I'd be like,
I'm trying to do something right now and I'm like
and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
No, and okay, I'm trying to do something.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I remember Shonda rohmes what she was doing her Year
of Yes. She said, every single time her kids said
will you play with me? She said yes. For that year,
she said every single time. But you know, for a
quick you know, clearly she didn't cancel her whole day,
but she said every time she would be like, Okay,
let's play something, and she would be present with her
kid and play. So I think about that. I think
(32:01):
her year was good, you know what I mean. I
think she was happier, you know, just being president, opening herself.
I love that you bought it, that Year of Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
It's so funny because at the same time, they were
also books saying the opposite, to just say no, right,
and if you don't automatically say yes in your head,
then the answer is no, right. And I remember that
was a thing at the same time that Year of
Yes was happening. Because I feel like I lead with yes,
and I know there's some people that lead with no, right,
(32:32):
you know.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think that's so important too. People think that there's
a prescription for there's a diet, there's a self help book,
like people don't think about the what's specific to you.
That's like, I just got in a little bit of
trouble for being like women need to open up their
sexuality and black women to have more sex than you know,
enjoy their whole phase more. And it's like if you're
already a hole. But the thing is, if you're already
(32:54):
a ho, clearly I'm not talking to you right. If
you're somebody that's felt boxed in by having to be
a good girl and are thinking about how do I
free myself from this, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You need just say something. So that scene. When I
was younger, I had these T shirts that said hose
by winning. Really yes, but the whole point of that
when I did that, and it was like a whole
thing that I did and literally had T shirt.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You had it made or you bought it made. Oh
my god, I love this, Angela.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
But I'm gonna tell you why I did it. I
did it because I felt like the power that people
have if they want to say something negative about you
as a woman, the first thing they say is your
a whole. Whether or not you are, they're gonna say it.
So there were a lot of people in media at
that time that people were calling a hole, like they'll
be like Kim Kardashian, she's oh this person home, And
(33:45):
I was like, well, they're all winning, And so I
had did this shirt called hoseby Winning to kind of
take away the power of people calling you a hole
just because they're trying to put you down, right, And
everybody's definition of what a hoe is is different, Like
I look at you, you're a hoe. I sleeping with
people's husbands and you side piece. But if you are
protecting yourself having a good time and you know what
(34:05):
it is, you're really not a whole. You're just like,
what's the problem, right? You know, if you're confident in
the choices that you're making.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, and you still have to have discernment in any
season of any season of your life. But I think
that's so that's so true. That's the fastest way to
disrespect a woman and make the rest of what she
has to say irrelevant, you know, to just say diminish
her in that way.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So she got that job because she did you know,
she only got the show because husband's show running.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He got that job because he was with me. So
let's talk about this no, no, no, but yeah, but I
just I just fully agree. My point is just I
just want black women to think about the boxes that
they've been placed in, or that they've placed themselves in,
and if it's uncomfortable in there, think about how you
get out of it. That's all.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, I didn't really see if it's so funny when
I saw that part of the show where you were
talking to her about that, and and I think there
was a little also you'd been like, well, it didn't
work out. But but also it made me think about
how I had those shirts and the purpose of me
doing that, because everybody kept being like, she's a hole,
she's a whole, she got that, well, she's a whole,
And I was like, everybody relaxed, like because men don't
(35:16):
get labeled that way. And to be honest, if a
guy has slept with a whole lot of people, I
you know, that's not necessarily a turn on either. I
think it's okay, but y'all gotta have discernment too. It's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Look, I got a past.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Everybody has a past.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
What you mean, But no, I'm just saying, you know
I have my.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Oh you had a hope.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But you know, sometimes y'all, everybody go to your system,
you know what.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I just like, I am shout out to Baby Sigma
Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I am. Even though they try to play us latest episode.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
We love We love all the Black Greeks. We love
them all.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
We wait, I'm getting on down the way.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
She says she had a story behind it.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, that took it out. That took me out.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
We loved it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean the traditions
are due.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Oh my god, y'all have Bill dul you know, you know,
and that was the first thing I thought of when
I saw him, And so was that intentional for us
to think about his presence from that scene?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I mean we love to that is true. We
do love to bring people in and either make use
like That's the other thing about Vonda two is like,
even though the Felicia was Shad's character is like, she's
still everybody's mother. She's still the quintessential mother, you know,
and so we flip it. And that's the same thing
with Bill Duke. But for me, he directed Sister Act two,
which is a big movie for me, Like that's one
of my favorite movies and it just was like we
(36:44):
almost like kissed his hand, like he just had so
much respect and love for him and for that that
crop of talent that really paved the way for us.
And it was very cool that he's still working. I
think he's not to sell his business, but I think
he's eighty five.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, something like, man is the presence.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
His presence alone is just it's like, damn, that's Bill Duke,
you know.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And he's the same. Yeah he does. He's a vegan.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
He's a big okay, looking up at him, like, damn, man,
that's I didn't.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I didn't. I got the I took the dream.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
It was twelve, twelve o'clock.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Fucked up.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I can't help it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I can't help it.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
So I said.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I was like, I took yeah, yeah, twelve, I took it.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I love how your mind works, I said. And he
still looks good. You said he's a vegan.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I think he's a vegan. He's heditator. Okay, he's like danger.
He told me he meditates every day for like hours
or something at a time.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Him at a farmer's market in the fish section.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Fish.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I didn't see him eating fish, but he was in
the he was in the meat section at.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
The marketing Listen. Even when I was a vegan, I
had a Turkey Burger vegan. I'm not a vegan anymore,
but when I was a vegan, die hard. But that
Turkey Burger called my like once a week. I think
he's a vegan. I know we talked a lot about meditation,
but he is a like a meditator, that's his thing.
(38:10):
But I think he might be a vegan too.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Now listen before because they're saying, you guys have to
get out of here. But I've had a couple of
quick things here. Number one, have you thought about doing
stand up comedy or is that something on your bucket list?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's scary. I played a stand up comedian in the
Twilight Zone and it was so fun. But I went
up once, like actually I went up once in college
and that went well, and then I went up just
to prep for the show. And to me, stand up
is scarier than acting, cause it's just like you don't
have any character to hide behind.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And you wrote on the last og you are around
a bunch of comedy sattoo.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I feel very comfortable around comedians because I can say
anything and they'll want up me they will be like, oh,
this is great, but I don't know. I've thought about
it before. But I don't know. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Why are you as I was just asking because yeah,
that's what I'm saying is you're very funny, and I
just thought that it could be a natural and I
was wondering if it was something that you had been
thinking about at all.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I have thought about it before.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well, let this be your sign, because I know y'all
believe in signs.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yes, shout out a. That's my favorite comedian right now.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Oh he's amazing, Oh my god, and being independent the
way that he's doing it on YouTube and get a
millions of views. That's his favorite comedian too.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, the best storyteller in the game, the gold storyteller.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And then has season three been approved yet? I gotta
ask because and I know it's tough.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
With the merger.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I saw this whole article about in particular, they were
talking about dr from Detroit and they were like, it
would be a shame in this merger for amazing shows
with great writing like this to get lost in the
shuffle or being limbo. It was a full on article
about how amazing this show is and how the merger
could affect a show like this.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, we haven't been picked up for season three yet,
but you know we're just like, check us out, ride
with us, watch the show, and you know, hopefully we will.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
It should be because the conversations around it. And I
do feel like now with season two, it's gotten more
and more like season one. Great, I watch it, but
I feel like people are super discovering. But maybe it
is the paramount plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why now it's.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Not a lot I will say a lot of it's
not a lot of black shows right now, tell me
about it.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So, yeah, I feel like they cancel our shows faster,
Like you know, there's certain shows they'll give it a chance.
They'll be like, well, it's critically a claim even though
it's not there, we'll give it some time.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Absolutely. That's why we were like asking audiences to lock in.
I see a lot of people like, I can't take it.
It's too much suspense and stress. I'm waiting until they
all build up. I'm like, no, ma'am, can you please
take your behind home?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
And the end, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, we're always held to a higher standard. I mean,
we we been knew that. So yeah, but yeah, we're
asking folks to lock in. And you know, the Shy
was such a big show on Paramount. I saw some
people being like, I'm about to cancel this as soon
as the last episode. I'm like, no, no, no, tick around.
There's still some some stuff going on. So yeah, we
(41:10):
are definitely asking audiences to tune in because we think
it'll be one of the most fun hours of your week.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yea, truly, I agree. I enjoy it so much. And
I had to go back and watch them at the
first season because I'm like, damn, it's been a minute.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
It's been a minute. Yes, that's the scope right now.
It's like two three years between seasons, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Which is why they should pick us up so we
could start writing. So we're going to get to it. Yeah,
it's not those long gaps, but yeah, that is something
that's the interesting thing about streaming is it can take
a long time when they wait to see for a
long time to see how the show does.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
And then I got to ask about Pea Valley, was
this speaking of a long time?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Oh my god, I'm like so yeah. I mean we've
wrapped that in like November twenty.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Four, so it's been that's wild.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Last I heard to be out this year late this year,
you know, maybe November October is don't quote me. This
is just a whole time mind, you know, but the
people are ready for it. I'm ready for folks to
see me in this character because it's a very different
character from Danger and the other ones I've played, So
(42:20):
it's gonna be a lot of fun. And yeah, man,
and I hope that this isn't like I know that
this is what's going on. We're just talking about like
the time in between seasons, but this has been like,
you know, like come on, guys, So I'm hoping that
this isn't like a new thing that's going to be
here for a while. Hopefully we can get some word,
(42:42):
you know, in the meantime, watch when pe Valley drops.
I know the number is gonna go through the roof.
Everybody ready for that one.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Because we have Nico, who plays Uncle Clifford on that
show in this season and he's a native Detroiter as well,
so I was so happy to get him in the show.
But he'll post about our show, people be like why
is Like I want to know to shout out to
Tori too. Creator of Pussy Valley, P Valley the same thing.
Whatever the Valley had to change it the name of
(43:15):
the play. Yeah, p Valley tell us about the pussy again.
It's a beautiful thing. It is the Cadillac of the
human and that it's so funny. One of my girls
works for Cadillac. I hear that scene, like, I hope
you enjoyed that product place. Do I get a Cadillac
or what? It's probably like, yeah, they're like, that's not
(43:36):
what we were hoping for, but listen, it's true.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
And I saw you had set on social media. Maybe
a book series is.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Something people have been on my neck about a book series.
I'm like, y'all be trying to give me more jobs,
stand up author. I feel like the show is the book. Like,
I feel like we try to put as much depth
into the characters that it feels like and I do
people see people say that did this come from a book?
It should feel like it has that much depth, But no,
I haven't. I haven't written a novel yet. That'll have
(44:06):
to be job number A. Y'all want me to be Jamaican,
so maad y.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, thank y'all both for joining me today. Honestly was
a pleasure. I was so excited to have you. I
know we've been trying to do this for a long
time every time I see you, but like y and
we finally made it happen.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I love you, Angela. Oh, I love you too.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Dr from Detroit one of the year's top ten shows
by Deadline, Rolling Stone, and The Hollywood Reporter. Some multiple
n double ACP Image Awards, and Independent Spirit Award nominations.
And you got a Gracie Award for a breakthrough row,
which is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I love that room. Yes, and you got an award
that same night, right, Yes, I did. Yes, we was
in there. I know that I was in there.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Again. And John, thank you so much for joining us too.
And hopefully when this season ends, we'll see you in
pe Valley.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Come before the end of this year.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
All right, put it in an atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Is coming.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
They already say it's coming. We just don't have a date, all.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Right, it's way up.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah,
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.