January 12, 2026 • 40 mins
Joy Ann Reid Explains Trump, Venezuela, ICE After Renee Good, 2026 Midterms + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up his way up with Angela Yee And you know,
I love when you come up here. Joy Ann Reid
is here and I was listen every day the Joy
Read Show when I can listen to kind of get informed.
And I just want to start this off by saying, congratulations,
you're almost at four hundred thousand subs on there.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, I mean we've grown really fast. It was so freaky.
We got an email from YouTube this morning. I woke
up to them saying, hey, we love what you're doing.
We want a partner. And so it's like when we
got their attention, that means we're doing something.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, that's so congratulations on that. I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And I love the unfiltered way that you're able to speak.
I always tell you that. But it was really important
for me to have you up here right now because Venezuela,
everything that's going on there, everything that's going on here
with ICE, the Affordable Care Act, there's so much happening,
and I really want to make sure that we're intentional
about where we consume information from, because, as you pointed
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out on The Joy Read Show, if you're looking at
the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos versus
is reading articles that with the headline on the New
York Times, you might have a vastly different point of
view about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Absolutely, And the problem is that so many of these
major media organizations are now owned by a billionaire or
a set of billionaires who have business before the government
and want to be friendly with the Bush, with the Bush,
with the Trump administration, so they are calibrating everything that's
being said in the news department on the air to
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make sure that they're not offending Donald Trump. I don't
even want I'm done with CBS News, Like I can't
even watch it anymore. Connie Chung, veteran of CBS News.
She's like she can't even watch it anymore because they're
doing things like doing a puff piece about Marco Rubio
both sides in January sixth insurrection.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He don't even know how to answer questions directly, and
like you said, when they're being interviewed by women or
you called him dickish, right, and his responses in his
person But like you said, it's kind of like you
get points with that administration when you're rude to in
particular women reporters and people just holding you accountable and
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asking you questions. Your job representing us, as you know,
what you're getting paid to do is to be able
to respond to those tough questions and also have accountability
and also take into account different points of view.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know, they're all performing. You know, whenever Pete Hegseth,
the Secretary of Defense who calls himself the Secretary of War,
which actually isn't true in any media. Calling him the
Secretary of War is just kissing Trump's ass because there's
been no change in the name of the Defense Department. Sorry,
I have my I got my invisil line, so I
stretching my speech a little bit. But so you know,
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Marco Rubio goes on. He did what they call the
full Ginsburg. He did all the Sunday shows, and it
says if in each of those interviews he was trying
to see how much of an asshole he could be,
because Trump is impressed with that, specifically when he's an
asshole to a woman reporter. Trump loves that. So they're
all performing for him like trained seals. They're not answering questions.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
All right, So let's break down Venezuela in layman's terms
for people who are listening. And I know a lot
of times we feel like, well, I'm not into politics,
or I don't know, or I'm not from Venezuela, so
I shouldn't have And I've seen people who are from
Venezuela saying, y'all don't know anything, so don't try to
tell us how we should feel about something. This is
great for us, you know, we groceries. We haven't been
able to do this. We had a dictator in office.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So just from.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Just to report on what actually happened, right, because, like
you said, depending on what you read, and I want
you to also talk about the different headlines. What happened
in Venezuela on my birthday January third, on.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Your birthday January third, what a birthday present? Essentially, the
Trump regime committed an act of war against a sovereign
country who were not at war with They escalated what
they had already been doing, which is bombing ships off
of the coast Venezuela, including killing, you know, Trinidadian fishermen
because Trinidad is so close to Venezuela, and just bombing ships,
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taking control like pirates of oil tankers, all in a quest,
at least according to Donald Trump, who I have to
give one thing. He's straightforward and he's honest about what
he's going to do. He said, I want the oil.
I want Venezuela's oil, and I'm going to get it.
And the whole goal here is to put it very quickly,
to make it really short. Is what's happened over the
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last decade is that as the United States has really
ignored the Caribbean, ignored Latin America, ignored our own hemisphere,
China has been knocking on everybody's door. If you go
to Jamaica right now, all of the construction China, if
you go to anywhere in Central and South America, Bahamas,
any place in the Caribbean, China is everywhere, and I'm
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sure we've all noticed it. They're also everywhere in Central
and South America, including becoming the biggest customer for what
little oil Venezuela has been selling. They've become not just
their biggest customer, but since we are no longer in
any kind of a relationship with Venezuela, they are sanctioned.
We have sanctions against them because Nicholas Madoro is a
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dictator who stole an election. YadA, YadA, YadA. They've been
not just selling oil to China, but actually buying it
in China's currency, and so what a lot of the
mainstream media is talking about, they're missing the bigger story.
The bigger story is that China is not just taking
over the world in terms of becoming the favorite partner
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of every developing country in the world to do business with.
If you want to build roads, if you want to
build bridges, if you want any infrastructure, they ain't come
to us. They're going to them. But they're also starting
to use their currency, which means that the US dollar
is no longer the most power favored currency on earth.
The Chinese you want is challenging us. And if you
always wondered why we tend to have like cheap stuff
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in the store, we can buy TVs for a thousand
instead of three thousand, cheap iPhones, all this in China.
It's partly because of China, but it's also because of
our dollar. The dominance of the US dollar has kept
our economy good for decades. And the reason that you're
so accustomed to buying things cheap in a country that
doesn't make anything is because the dollar has been the
king of the world. It isn't anymore. Starting in June
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of twenty twenty four, Saudi Arabia, who's one of the
biggest suppliers of oil in the world, no longer has
to buy or sell oil in dollars. That deal that
Richard Nixon made in nineteen seventy three ended in June
of twenty twenty four. That changed the world. It means
it's a free for all. People are selling oil in
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their own currency. They're selling oil in rubles, Russian rubles,
are selling it in Chinese yuan, and that means that
our economy, even if you don't care about politics, when
the dollar is no longer the main currency, people are
spending and buying and selling it around the world, our
economy is about to.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Get jacked as and our passport is also not the
most powerful passport used to be either, and a lot
of people we've seen tourism has gone down. We've seen
that even with students, exchange students, they're not coming here
like they used to. And that affects everybody and everybody's economy.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right, And so even if people don't care, think about like,
for instance, I have a friend that just came back
from Las Vegas. No problem getting tables right, no problems
with vegavations druggling right now, struggling and people and their
whole economy is tourism. Same with Florida. Florida tourism way down,
New York tourism way down. It affects all of us
because Trump is alienated the whole world with those tariffs,
with the bullying, with threatening to invade ten countries and
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saying he's.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah Greenland, Like why do we want Greenland? Can you
break that down? Because not we, but why does Trump
want Greenland? Because that's another place now that he's talking
about taking over.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
He wants Greenland for the same reason he's saying he
wants to take over Canada, for the same reason he
wants to take over Venezuela Oil. And what they call
they're these minerals, these sort of specific minerals that are
under Greenland's soil that you can't get anywhere else and
they're very profitable if you can get control of them
and sell them. And Greenland is one of the few
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places that has them. So we want these minerals. We
just want their minerals, we want what's under the soil.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So just to wrap this part up, this has nothing
to do with the drug trafficking, because that is the
guys of why Nicholas Maduro was arrested, right and well,
not arrested, but he kidnapped. Him and his wife were kidnapped,
and they broke his wife's ribs and the process of
all of that. Because I think two things can be true.
I didn't know that much about him, but from what
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we've been seeing, a dictator, you know, stole the election,
got his opposition out of there, and so they're rejoicing
the fact that he's no longer in power. But at
the same time, the way that he went about it
with no type of checks and balances system. Here, Congress
had no idea that this was going to happen, but
the oil companies knew.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
The oil companies got a heads up. Our Congress did
not get a heads up. But here's the other thing
people need to understand. We did not overthrow Maduro's regime
all ere, Everyone but him and his wife are still
in power.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So if you're the same people.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's the same people. So if you're a Venezuelan who's
cheering right now, understand that the Trump regim is now
going to say Venezuela's belongs to the oil companies, Our
companies run it, and now it's safe to go home.
You're going to go home to the same guy running
the secret police, the same people who are killing you,
the same people except for Maduro himself and his wife.
The rest of them are still in power, and Trump
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is willing to do business with them because all they
care about is the oil and forcing Venezuela to sell
oil in dollars. The main issue is it's oil, yeah,
but they're down to like ten percent of their real
output in oil. The main thing is if you are
a dictator that's got oil under the soil in your
country and you try to sell oil in anything but dollars,
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you find out. Saddam Hussein got god because he tried
to do it. Mosedek back in nineteen fifty seven in
Iran tried to nationalize their oil and sell it in
whatever currency he wanted. He got got Libyam walmart Cadappi
said hey, maybe we'll sell oil in gold that will
mine right here in Libya. He got gotten. There's a trend.
If you try to sell oil or minerals in anything
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but dollars, the United States will take you down. This
was the same thing that happened that we've done before.
We did it in Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Now some people are under the impression that Donald Trump
is going to be running Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Now that's what Trump thinks.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And I saw Marco Rubio kind of ducking and dodging
around that question. How is that even possible, because there's
a whole country here to run that is a disaster
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
They can't even run the United States, right they can't.
I mean, can you imagine these people who can't get
US health care and can't figure out how to make
this country affordable are going to also run that country.
Not going to happen. We're going to get is a
vacuum like we get every time we try to do
regime change. It's going to be a mess. And the
other thing we need to remember is we did this
in Kuwait back in the nineties. We went in invaded
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them for the oil companies to make the US oil
companies take over Kuwait. Kuwaitis just started burning the oil fields.
That's a country of thirty million people. Are they all
going to cooperate with Marc Rubio and Donald Trump running
their country. Some of them are going to resist, and
they could do a lot of damage to those oil fields.
They could just start burning them, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I was also reading a headline an article about oil
not being it's not going to affect China as much
as they think it is, because they've been moving to
clean energy, correct and in general, I think that's been
a movement to our clean energy. So what does that mean,
Because maybe this oil isn't going to be as valuable
as it once was, it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The thing that's kind of sad about the current administration
and what they're doing. They're chasing the nineteenth century. They
want like nineteenth century laws for women and black people.
They also want a nineteenth century economy with manufacturing and oil,
whereas the rest of the world, particularly China, they're moving on.
They're moving on from the dollar, they're moving on from
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fossil fuels. Even Saudi Arabia that they're all about oil.
They moving on. They're like running comedy shows. They want
to get into the entertainment industry. They're trying to create
their own Hollywood everyone else is moving on except Donald Trump,
who still lives in the eighties. So they're trying to
create this old fashioned economy based on old fashioned and
boss fuels. It's never coming back. The rest of the
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world is moving on from us, and the challenge we're
going to have is that we're so spoiled and used
to being the country. Everyone wants to send their kid
to university here. Everyone wants to come here to visit.
Everyone wants to go to San Francisco, in New Orleans,
everyone wants to visit Las Vegas and New York. That's
all going away. No one wants to do business with us.
They don't want to send the kids here. They don't
want our oil, they don't want our economy, they don't
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want our rules and are bossing them around. The rest
of the world is moving on, and don is making
a movie.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And it feels dangerous here because now I want to
talk about ice, and we saw what happened in Minneapolis,
I mean an absolute disaster. Renee Good shot and killed
by an ICE agent. I believe his name is Jonathan Ross.
Jonathan Ross, Jonathan russ I saw his father spoke out
and said that nothing's going to happen to him, and
he was proud of him, you know, acting like he
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had done nothing wrong. And when you watch that video,
and I want to say, my dad's been staying at
my house and he literally watched it over and over,
like probably about thirty times, to the point where I
was like, Dad, like, and we've seen you know different video.
I saw you had it on the joy Read Show
where you were discussing and breaking down exactly what happened.
So I would love for you to break that down
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now because I've seen people in my comments saying things like, well,
that's why the illegals shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I had somebody call in the other day and talk
about how he was at a party and Ice came
in and raided the party. He's Mexican, but he's a
citizen here and everybody was it was a kin sannio
and they zip tie them pulled him up by his
zip tie. He had his documentation fortunately for him, and
was able to get released. But after he got roughed
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up and beat up and all of that, and you know,
this is really tragic. I can't even imagine what that
must feel like. And the PTSD that you have after
something like that. But I just want you to break
down what happened with.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Renee.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So they are about two thousand ICE agents that have
been surged into Minnesota because of course Trump is whipping
up this fear of Somali's you know, running rampant over
their welfare system. They're like, we're going to deport as
many as we can get our hands on, as well
as obviously as many brown people as they can get
their hands on. This woman was part of a group
of people who they train to try to be ICE interrupters,
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and what they try to do is observe what ICE
is doing, film them, and try to use their white privilege.
To be honest, they're mainly white people.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Which is what we ask which is what we ask
them to.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, right, yeah, because black people like, we can't get on,
we can't put our bodies on the line because cops
will shoot us. And so the presumption had been particularly
a white woman because remember part of the rationale for
doing this with ICE is to save white women, christine,
white women from being ravaged by you know, criminal brown men.
So they white women have been taking the lead in
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being the ones to step forward and challenge ICE. And
to say, as white people, we can step to ice
and step to police in a different way. In this case,
this white woman and her wife who's also a white woman.
We're driving in an suv. They parked to try to
block ICE from snatching people out of a suburban neighborhood.
This was not like on the mean streets in Minneapolis.
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This was in a suburb.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeahouse a doctor.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The neighbor's a doctor. This is a quiet, white suburb.
So they're driving and they park. The ICE agents come
up to the car. They get out of the car
and they to shorten it. They bang on her door
and tell her get out of the car. They order
her to get out of the car. She panics and
starts to back up to get away, and they one
of the ICE officers, Jonathan Ross, shot three times into
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the car, shot her in the face, and killed her.
The reason I think this is significant and is different
from the previous shootings is to me, this is a
George Floyd moment.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And not far from not far from where that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Happened right six years later. And the reason I think
it's a George Floyd moment is that George Floyd answered
the question are black people making it up when we
say cops can just kill us and will right. We
saw a police officer with people filming him, was willing
to kill George Floyd in front of a crowd on camera.
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In this case, I think it's a George Floyd moment
because this is one of those moments when somebody who's
supposed to be safe with law enforcement, a white woman,
a Christian, a mom, she had just dropped her kid off,
her six year old off at school, who's doing all
the right things. She is a citizen, This is not
a question of her being an undocumented immigrant.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It didn't feel like ICE agents were in danger of
their lives at any way.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They weren't easily have moved out of the way easily, and.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Did move out and walked away no injuries. The chief
of police in Minneapoli said no one was injured except
the woman who was dead. None of those men were injured.
And it was that moment where you realize nobody's safe.
White women aren't safe. They'll kill them too, And so
I think it's a George Floyd level moment. I think
Renee Good becomes like the George Floyd of this resistance
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against ICE because if a white woman. I mean, they've
been killing brown people and shooting I mean, you know,
shooting brown people, shooting black people, harassing them, throwing them
to the ground, degrading them.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's a regular day.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
As a regular day. But you know what we're going
to talk about on the show tonight is you know,
they were doing that to black people until they did
it to a little northern boy named Emmett Till, and
all of a sudden it was a different level of alarm.
There's a different level of alarm when you did it
to Viola Luzo or or Reverend James Reed who were white,
or Goodman and Schwerner who were with Cheney and treated
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just like Cheney. And so I think there are these
moments in history when the state commits violence against somebody
who's supposed to be safe with them.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And then I think the reaction afterward is also instead
of saying this is a tragedy, this should have never happened,
the reaction was basically Trump and his supporter JD. Van
saying that this was justified and she was in the wrong,
and painting her out to be some type of criminal.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
A terrorist. Christy Nome and Jadie Vance are called her
a terrorist. Even Trump, when the New York Times did
an interview, an editorial interview with him, they played him
the video and even he couldn't stand by that. He
started backtracking off of calling her a terrorist. When you
watch the video, and by the way, there's lots of
video CNN's compiled it. I am going to play a
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SlowMo version of it. I'm like your dad, I've been
watching this thing on loop because i want to see
every answer.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And this audio too, where you can hear certain things
that she's saying.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You can hear what you said, and you can also
see that this officer was not in any danger. If
you do the slow moo, you can see him lean back.
He is not being touched by the car, put his gun,
point his gun at this white woman and shoot her
in the face three times. He was not in danger.
If this in any other situation, you would expect the
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Justice Department to investigate. But now the FBI is refusing
to cooperate with local law enforcement. They normally cooperated, and
shooting like this, they're refusing to cooperate. So that just
shows me that they know that this is wrong. You know.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
In addition, after she was shot and killed.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
We talked about the neighbor who was a doctor, wanted
to go and actually tried to do something, and they
would not let her do.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That, would not allow a doctor to help, would not
allow her to And you didn't see anyone trying to
give her aid at all. This guy shot her and
then walked away and then was waving the crowd off.
There was no attempt to do CPR, there was no
attempt to save her life. Nothing was done.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, I want to ask you do you think
because like I said, Jonathan and Ross, we're going to
say his name. His father, Ed Ross, has defended his
son's actions said he will not be charged with anything.
She hit him. He also had an officer whose arm
was in the car. That's what he told the Daily Mail.
What do you see happening? Because I know people are
calling for there to be some type of justice in
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your opinion, what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What I would say is to all of these ice
offers who are getting there, you know, I don't even
know if they've ever collected their fifty thousand dollars bonuses
to sign up for this duty, I would not listen
to Steven Miller and JD. Vance giving you legal advice,
because I would more listen to JB. Pritzker, the governor
of Illinois, who said, y'all just keep playing because there
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will be a change in administration and there will be
a different Justice Department one day. And there's the statue
of limitations on murder is long. And there are also
the possibility of state charges, which Donald Trump can't help
you with. He cannot pardon you if you get charged
by the state. If this guy gets charged with murder
in the state of Minnesota, there's nothing Trump can do
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about it. And I would not get too comfortable. These
people are not showing warrants, which they're required to do.
They're violating people's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. There's something
called a constitutional violation under color of law. And if
you are exercising undue force without asking, you know, having
a reasonable attempt to get the person to comply, you
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don't have absolute immunity. That is just not true. I'm
a lawyer, but I can tell you that the lawyers
I'm talking to are saying they think they have a munity.
That's what they're acting like this.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, and I think this is Also, we have to
look at this as sets a precedent, right, because I
think with a lot of these ICE agents, they feel
like they can do whatever they want and know that
they'll be backed by the administration, by the President and
praise for doing things like this.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It is murder.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And they're also recruiting so aggressively.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh my god. Spotify is like, we're not going to
advertise anymore for ICE.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah. And Arrow, I think it's the company's called Arrow,
one of the airlines they've been using to fly people
out of the country. They've said, we're done, We're not
going to do business with you.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
We said the Hilton hotel that actually wouldn't let them
stay there, but now Hilton cut them off.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah. I mean, there's no people are going to start
to treat ICE like the pariahs they really deserve to be.
And you're going to start to see that spreading home
Depot is getting boycottage.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yes, the absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Stopping ICE from coming in, and you're gonna and I
think this woman because again it's not that the black
and brown lie that have been interrupted and destroyed by
ICE don't matter. They obviously matter. But you know, we
live in America this white lady, this Christian white mom,
they killed her. I think it's an em until George
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Floyd moment.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And you know, I just want to respond to like
people who were in my comments saying, oh, well, these
illegals shouldn't be here. Where can Americans go and just
take up residents illegally anytime they went to there are
people who had status here that that got revoked. I mean,
I'm looking at people who have lived here like basically
their whole lives and then have been deported to places
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they've never even been to.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The've never been. And by the way, during the pandemic,
I saw a lot of Americans going and taking up
residents in Mexico where they're not from, because they wanted
to be in a warm space. During the pandemic, I
did go to Mexico for a lot of people did, right.
And so when Americans are saying I want to leave
the country because you know, Trump is bothering me, you
don't want people to say, well, you can't come here.
Americans do it all the time. It's not as if
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it's only other people who do it. Americans do it too.
Americans go where they want to go and they stay
and they overstay their pieces. That's not uncommon. Then the
other thing is we always forget that there's something pulling
these people here, which is the work that most Americans
are not interested in doing. I challenge you to find
ten Americans willing to go in the fields and pick lettuce. Yeah,
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no tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Listen, it's been and we've seen how hard it's been
for certain people who say they have a team of
people they need to hire to do contracting work. And
it's been really really hard for people to even get
people who want to come to work. Even if you're
here legally, you don't know if something's going to happen,
if you're going to get arrested, you're going to get detained, and.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
That has happened.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I know people have said, oh, well, if you're here
and you're supposed to be here, you're fine, But it
has happened.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
It has happened. And if you're in that Minneapolis neighborhood,
not only are you being terrorized by these people, as
JD Ban said, going door to door in a white
suburban neighborhood, they're tracking everyone's phone. They're using pallunteer technology
to track our phones so that they can find anyone
they think might be undocumented there because the Supreme Court
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said they could racially profiling people. So a Latino who's
fully American born here, got a passport but has an
accent or is brown, they're stopping them. It feels very
much like white South Africa in the eighties. Any person
who is not white can be stopped, can be questioned
based on their accent, can have their papers demanded. People
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are having to walk around people I know whose citizens
have to walk around with their passport or their birth certificate.
This is like white South Africa. Who wants to live
in a country where random men who do not have
to show you a badge, who do not have to
show you a warrant, can simply walk up to you
demand to know are you an American citizen? Can bust
into your home, no warrant, nothing, and just demand to
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see your papers. This is not a country anyone who
want to visit or live in.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Now midterms are coming up, and I do see some
Republicans actually maybe feeling like they have I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Know, like maybe five.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So I want to talk about have you seen or
do you feel like there's been any type of pushback
from people that you know obviously be so Marjorie Tailla Green,
and that was with the Epstein Files. But have you
seen any type of like, okay, any humanity would you say?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I would say the Epstein Files was one instance where
you did see a pushback because I think they they.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Ain't talking about that at all, no more.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, also got of succeeded in getting that off the
front pages. But you are seeing people break away on
two things. One on this jerry mandering. In Indiana, they
were like, we're not jerry mandering our state for you.
Donald Trump insulted one of the senior Republicans by using
the R word, and that man happens to have a
son who's emotionally it was mentally disabled, and so that
turned people off, and people were like, I'm not doing it.
(25:49):
So there's some states where the same, We're not going
to do jerry mandering and mess with our maps to
help you get more seats, more seats in Congress. The
other one is the Affordable Care Act. Yes, and this
is self interest. This has nothing to do with humanity.
These Republicans are going home and just like Marjorie Taylor
Green was saying her kids can't afford healthcare. These Republicans,
most of them are in red states that didn't expand Obamacare.
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The subsidies, the federal subsidies for a lot of their
constituents are the only way they get healthcare. So people
are screaming at them, now, I need those subsidies. So
you're starting to see it. So you did see the
House defy Donald Trump use what's called a discharge petition,
meaning they can go around the speaker of the House
force a bill onto the floor.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And it did pass, but it still has to make
it through the Senate.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And the problem we have in the Senate is that
the sucker. The sucker has six I guess you could
call them with it, six of them that decided to
go ahead and reopen the government without getting a deal
to extend those subsidies. Now we have to see if
John Thune they have more power. The Senate works a
little differently. You can't just force things onto the floor.
And so if Republicans who have the majority don't allow
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a vote on this bill, it's still dead in the water.
The House passes whatever it wants, if the Senate doesn't
take it up, it doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know, the midterms and they Affordable Care Act. You know,
Donald Trump was very upset that some Republicans in the
House sided with the Democrats. And I see the Republicans
scrambling now, like we have to really stick together. Now,
you can't go against the home team.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, they're so scared. I mean, there are a few
like Rand Paul because the other thing they're breaking away
on is whether or not we can just start a war,
whether or not the White House.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh yes, And they actually have attempted to say no,
you can't do whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And a few that I was surprised about Josh Hawley
signed on. That was like seven of them who are like,
you can't just start a war, right, So, and Rand
Paul's been very consistent, just as Massy, Congressman Massy on
the House side has been consistent about some things. I
don't count on Republicans to stand against Trump. In the end.
They always fold because they're too afraid of his base.
They're too afraid of his supporters, and his supporters are
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a religious cult. They're going to do whatever Trump wants,
and I think in the end they just do what
he says.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, So what should we be doing now as
I want to say this, I was in San Quari
when everything happened in Venezuela, right, and then.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It was very difficult for people who were.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Trying to travel for the you know, the next couple
of days out of the Caribbean. And I also was
a little concerned, like what's gonna happen here, because everybody
does not agree with Donald Trump kidnapping the president, dictator,
whatever you want to call him out of Venezuela. And
so I'm a little like, Okay, it's something going to
happen here.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That is literally, my son, who was trying to call
me while I was talking to you, has been calling
me about this every day because he lives in the city.
He lives in New York City. And if they're you
have to remember Venezuela does have close relationships with Iran,
and Iran does have close relationships with terrorist groups like Hesbola.
That doesn't mean there's gonna be terrorism in reaction to
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Donald Trump overthrowing their dictator, but that doesn't mean it's
not gonna happen. But we don't know, and if it happens,
people tend to go for the Marquis Cities ac DC
New York and the Blue Cities that didn't do anything.
It's like, this isn't even our fault. And so I
think unfortunately, if something like that were to happen, yeah,
I think we should could be concerned about it. But again,
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the whole regime is still in place. It's not like
it's just Madua and his wife.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That got you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
One person out, nobody that has anything to do with
the drug cartels, Like none of the drug card tell
people they're still fine, even though the guys was, oh,
you know, you guys are shipping drugs into Yeah, and
that's that's the whole reason we did.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
This supposedly, and they dropped that real quick. And by
the way, if it's about drugs, then why is the
former president of Hondura free to go when he was
a drug dealer got a pardon And like, you know,
my Maduro is a lot of bad things. But even
the kind of drugs they're saying come out there don't
even come from there. It comes from you know, Mexico
and other places. Yeah, there's probably drug shipments of cocaine
(29:41):
to go through all these Latin American countries, but in
some cases Trump is fine with it. They don't care
about drugs, and they certainly don't care about his base
being strung out. They don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
What do you think is going to happen with midterms?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And if you know today we're looking at everything that's happening,
the trajectory that we're on, what do you anticipate.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I mean, we have free and fair elections, which is
definitely not certain. They've done a lot to mess with elections,
and I don't know how much confidence I have that
the elections will be untainted. But if we had untainted elections,
I think Democrats would take over the House for sure.
There was a Republican House member that just died out
of California, so they only have a one seat majority
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in the House. Now, it's very very tight. It's gonna
be hard for Republicans to hold onto the House. I
think that's likely Democrats get the House. The Senate is
a little more up in there.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That's why I want to tell everybody y'all got to vote.
And I want to say I saw your sit down
interview with Mam Donnie. Yeah, and I met Mam Donnie
super early on when they were so many people that
were in the race from mayor of New York and
I remember thinking to myself, I liked him. He came
to this event that I was hosting at break It
was about the arts and New York City, and he
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got there a little late because he took the train.
He was like, sorry, I'm late, my train was delayed.
And I was like, I didn't really know much about him, right,
And I was like, this is a long shot for
I'm looking at everybody, the State Controller, like everybody else
who's you know, running obviously Eric Adams. And then you know,
we knew Cuomo hadn't thrown his head in yet, but
he was going to. And that's why voting matters. Though,
(31:12):
I do want to say I think that's a prime
example as somebody who was really an underdog at first.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And it also shows you that people who especially like
young people who are votes, are like, well, they don't
care about voting. They'll vote if you give them something
to vote for, right, And I think it really is
a good lesson for the Democratic Party. No, not everybody's
going to be a mom donnie. But he won by
the largest margin in thirty years. He won overwhelmingly, and
he won in places he was not supposed to win
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on paper because people who don't normally vote came out
and voted for him. And so I think what Democrats
need to learn is sometimes y'all are just not offering
people a reason to come out and vote, and saying
Trump is bad is not enough. You know, people are
going to vote against to a certain extent, but people
also want to vote for something. And what I think
he did that was brilliant is he said, let me
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give you something to vote for. Your rent is too
damn high, let me help with that. Your food costs
are too high, Let me help with.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
That child care, childcare, And they that, yeah, that's already
in motion, already.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
In motion to give people free childcare and the free
busses thing. People are like, that's never gonna happen. Until
it does if you get somebody who understands how to
use executive power and it's not afraid. What I love
about my Dannie is he's too young to be jaded
about politics and think I can only nickel and dime
these promises. He is too young to not want to
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do everything he said he wants to do, and to
aggressively push to use as much power as he can
that's not like normal Democrats. They normally nickel and dime
their power and they're like ashamed of it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, because I think there's always this dynamic where you're like, Okay,
this person, you know doesn't have enough experience versus this
person is old. We need to get them out of there, yeah,
you know, and we need to get rid of that.
So there's always like this balance of doing with somebody
who's like super experienced, been doing this for a long time,
knows everybody, you know. Mama was kind of like running
on the premise that he could talk to Trump right
(33:04):
and make things happen. Eric Adams at first too, you know,
was kind of running on that premise. But and then
Mom Donnie went and met with Trump. What did you
think about that? Because I want to know, because people
were definitely up in arms like what is this about?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And Trump seemed to take a liking to him.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It seemed like Trump fell in love with this man.
And I did ask him like what did you do?
Like how did you get I think what it is
is that Trump likes stars, He likes people who he thinks.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Are snybody was handsome.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, And remember when when the Jimmy Carter funeral. He
was like trying to key key with Obama, like he
was all in Obama stage. I'm like, I'm nott. You
hated Obama.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Like each other.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
He loves celebrities and anyone he thinks is a handsome celebrity,
he really wants to suck up to them. So I
think that was part of it. And also I think
he spoke his language. He's like, look, let's just talk business.
I'm not here to be your friend. You're not here
to be my friend. You're still the dictator to me.
You're still a fastest MA don't care. Let's talk business.
And Trump. I think respect somebody that's strong, that sticks
to their principles. And look, if you're the people who
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were saying he shouldn't have gone met with him, yeah
you should have. You're the mayor of the most important
city in the country where Donald Trump is from, where
he's from, and it's the financial capital of the United States.
You don't have to deal with them. You've got to
figure out how to deal with them. And I think
it was smart for him to get in there and
figure out how we're going to deal with each other. Right,
I mean, FDR had to deal with Stalin, so right,
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it's the way it is.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, listen, I appreciate you so much. It's always to
me just amazing that you come and give me your
time because it's important for my platform for people who
listen to this show. And I started off talking about
how we really need to be intentional about what networks
and what outlets that we're paying attention to. I told
you I watched the Jury Read show all the time,
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and that is where I'm able to really kind of
see what's.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Going on, and you can't not pay attention.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I had a conversation with somebody the other day that
was like, I really don't know anything about politics, but
there's like, you don't have to be an expert. I'm
definitely not an expert in anything, but I'm paying attention
so that I know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I always vote, and I always tell people that you
need to get out there and vote, and I always
think about who I think would be a good leader. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Absolutely, And yeah, there's a famous saying that I think
is true that just because you're not interested in politics
doesn't mean the politics is not interested in you. Absolutely,
and the stuff they're doing, you think it doesn't affect you.
Go ahead and deport two three million undocumented people. Watch
the price of everything you eat, every construction project, everything
(35:25):
go up. Mess with China, keep messing with them. Then
walk in Walmart. Go ahead and tear of them. Everything
in Walmart was made in China. So when they mess
with China, they're messing with your Walmart. They're messing with
your shopping machine. They're messing right. If you want to
mess with Japan, come on, I mean, what do we
make in this country. Your PlayStation is made in Japan.
Your iPhone is made in Asia. The parts come from Africa.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And it's easy to say we should just make stuff here,
but you know how long and hard that's going to be,
and the quality, but that's about that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
They like your iPhone can be even jank. They're bad enough.
Wenna have the experts.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Please would not do that and not for the barbers
to come at you. But what did you think about
Nicki Mina?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Listen speaking of undocumented people, This lady came here and
by the way, we share a birthday, so it's a
little weird that we always caught. We did b before.
So I was a fan of her music. I think
she's a musical talent. I mean just you know, like
Kanye West, these are talented musicians. Nobody should never listen
to anything she says other than just her music. This
lady came here at five years old undocumented. She understands
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what it's like to be undocumented, grew up in this city.
She's deportable because she definitely was undocumented originally. She is
a Trinidadian. She didn't say anything about the killing of
those Trinidadian fishermen. I'm quite sure the people in Trinny
noticed that she doesn't seem to care about her people
and the idea of sucking up to Trump. Not long
after you said you don't want a millenia because you
(36:47):
don't want a weak woman, right, you don't want somebody
that's just sucking up to the president, and after you
criticized his deportation policies yourself. But now all of a
sudden you're kissing his ass.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
What do you think happened?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I think she has a brother and a husband. You've
got some serious legal issues around pedophilia, particularly her brother
who's serving what twenty five to life or something for
the you know, violation of a child or of children,
and I think she's thinking, you know how I can
get a pardon. I'll go be friends with the Turning
Points USA. People all kiss Trump's ass and Vance's ass,
(37:19):
and maybe I'll get pardons and maybe I won't get deported.
I mean, I think my cynical self says that she's
trying to protect herself, her brother, and her husband from
the administration by kissing their ass, and it's it's embarrassing
and sad, and as a hip hop fan, I think
it's the thing that hurts me the most is watching
hip hop artists that I respect their respect musically, I'll
(37:40):
line up for Trump because they get nothing from it.
He will never respect you. You will never be one
of them.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, I've seen people get that she's not getting his
no apparently NA, which I was surprised because I know
it's all about the money.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
So I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
He probably didn't write a big enough checking on he cheat.
Though they cheating. You gotta give the real money, because
apparently that's you gotta do. As Carlos Watson, I want
to know how much money they're all paying, But you.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Got to Carlos Watson got his part in too Yeah
from Ozzie Media. You do, well, we gotta have a
pop culture show one day. We should, girl, don't get
I know you talk about every you know, the news
and politics and all of that all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, let's do if you if you haven't watched it,
watch Stranger Things, and then we should do a Stranger
Things conversation. I'm obsessed, obsessed.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, and I saw Prince his music catalog shot up,
like because it's Stranger Things.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh. Absolutely, not only Stranger Things, but the one that
I really I just got finished watching Welcome to Dairy. Oh,
I was watching that to itsessed, Like Welcome to Day
is actually.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You know, my favorite favorite genre of to watch.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh really?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, I love hard too.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh I love a zombie thing, but no, it's a
good one. Well, I mean Welcome to Dairy is the
one I'm actually loved the most because they snucked like
a very black narrative to something that you wouldn't even
think of. You know, the IT franchise is its own thing.
But I'm not going to spoil it for you, but
there's a character in Welcome to Dairy that this is
the prequel to the Shining.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
What I see. I haven't finished it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Listen it is in the car, and then yeah, okay, good,
I'm on it. I gotta That means I gotta go
back because I was actually at home putting together furniture
while I was watching it, so I was like missing
things and having to rewind it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
But I'm I'm gonna make sure I go author through.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Welcome to Dairy. That is actually, to me, the best
series that's out right now. It's saying it is so
good and it's so nuanced, and it's given you timelines
and history and different eras and stuff. But that when
that when I finally got that connection to The Shining,
one of my favorite films, and I love Stephen King. Baby,
it will blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, I'm on it. Well, thank you so much for
joining me. I always appreciate it. I know you're gonna
come back because I feel like we're here, you know
what I'm saying, Thank you, sus I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
All right, It's way up
What's up his way up with Angela Yee And you know,
I love when you come up here. Joy Ann Reid
is here and I was listen every day the Joy
Read Show when I can listen to kind of get informed.
And I just want to start this off by saying, congratulations,
you're almost at four hundred thousand subs on there.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, I mean we've grown really fast. It was so freaky.
We got an email from YouTube this morning. I woke
up to them saying, hey, we love what you're doing.
We want a partner. And so it's like when we
got their attention, that means we're doing something.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, that's so congratulations on that. I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And I love the unfiltered way that you're able to speak.
I always tell you that. But it was really important
for me to have you up here right now because Venezuela,
everything that's going on there, everything that's going on here
with ICE, the Affordable Care Act, there's so much happening,
and I really want to make sure that we're intentional
about where we consume information from, because, as you pointed
(00:54):
out on The Joy Read Show, if you're looking at
the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos versus
is reading articles that with the headline on the New
York Times, you might have a vastly different point of
view about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Absolutely, And the problem is that so many of these
major media organizations are now owned by a billionaire or
a set of billionaires who have business before the government
and want to be friendly with the Bush, with the Bush,
with the Trump administration, so they are calibrating everything that's
being said in the news department on the air to
(01:30):
make sure that they're not offending Donald Trump. I don't
even want I'm done with CBS News, Like I can't
even watch it anymore. Connie Chung, veteran of CBS News.
She's like she can't even watch it anymore because they're
doing things like doing a puff piece about Marco Rubio
both sides in January sixth insurrection.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He don't even know how to answer questions directly, and
like you said, when they're being interviewed by women or
you called him dickish, right, and his responses in his
person But like you said, it's kind of like you
get points with that administration when you're rude to in
particular women reporters and people just holding you accountable and
(02:10):
asking you questions. Your job representing us, as you know,
what you're getting paid to do is to be able
to respond to those tough questions and also have accountability
and also take into account different points of view.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know, they're all performing. You know, whenever Pete Hegseth,
the Secretary of Defense who calls himself the Secretary of War,
which actually isn't true in any media. Calling him the
Secretary of War is just kissing Trump's ass because there's
been no change in the name of the Defense Department. Sorry,
I have my I got my invisil line, so I
stretching my speech a little bit. But so you know,
(02:44):
Marco Rubio goes on. He did what they call the
full Ginsburg. He did all the Sunday shows, and it
says if in each of those interviews he was trying
to see how much of an asshole he could be,
because Trump is impressed with that, specifically when he's an
asshole to a woman reporter. Trump loves that. So they're
all performing for him like trained seals. They're not answering questions.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
All right, So let's break down Venezuela in layman's terms
for people who are listening. And I know a lot
of times we feel like, well, I'm not into politics,
or I don't know, or I'm not from Venezuela, so
I shouldn't have And I've seen people who are from
Venezuela saying, y'all don't know anything, so don't try to
tell us how we should feel about something. This is
great for us, you know, we groceries. We haven't been
able to do this. We had a dictator in office.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So just from.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Just to report on what actually happened, right, because, like
you said, depending on what you read, and I want
you to also talk about the different headlines. What happened
in Venezuela on my birthday January third, on.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Your birthday January third, what a birthday present? Essentially, the
Trump regime committed an act of war against a sovereign
country who were not at war with They escalated what
they had already been doing, which is bombing ships off
of the coast Venezuela, including killing, you know, Trinidadian fishermen
because Trinidad is so close to Venezuela, and just bombing ships,
(04:07):
taking control like pirates of oil tankers, all in a quest,
at least according to Donald Trump, who I have to
give one thing. He's straightforward and he's honest about what
he's going to do. He said, I want the oil.
I want Venezuela's oil, and I'm going to get it.
And the whole goal here is to put it very quickly,
to make it really short. Is what's happened over the
(04:29):
last decade is that as the United States has really
ignored the Caribbean, ignored Latin America, ignored our own hemisphere,
China has been knocking on everybody's door. If you go
to Jamaica right now, all of the construction China, if
you go to anywhere in Central and South America, Bahamas,
any place in the Caribbean, China is everywhere, and I'm
(04:49):
sure we've all noticed it. They're also everywhere in Central
and South America, including becoming the biggest customer for what
little oil Venezuela has been selling. They've become not just
their biggest customer, but since we are no longer in
any kind of a relationship with Venezuela, they are sanctioned.
We have sanctions against them because Nicholas Madoro is a
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dictator who stole an election. YadA, YadA, YadA. They've been
not just selling oil to China, but actually buying it
in China's currency, and so what a lot of the
mainstream media is talking about, they're missing the bigger story.
The bigger story is that China is not just taking
over the world in terms of becoming the favorite partner
(05:31):
of every developing country in the world to do business with.
If you want to build roads, if you want to
build bridges, if you want any infrastructure, they ain't come
to us. They're going to them. But they're also starting
to use their currency, which means that the US dollar
is no longer the most power favored currency on earth.
The Chinese you want is challenging us. And if you
always wondered why we tend to have like cheap stuff
(05:54):
in the store, we can buy TVs for a thousand
instead of three thousand, cheap iPhones, all this in China.
It's partly because of China, but it's also because of
our dollar. The dominance of the US dollar has kept
our economy good for decades. And the reason that you're
so accustomed to buying things cheap in a country that
doesn't make anything is because the dollar has been the
king of the world. It isn't anymore. Starting in June
(06:18):
of twenty twenty four, Saudi Arabia, who's one of the
biggest suppliers of oil in the world, no longer has
to buy or sell oil in dollars. That deal that
Richard Nixon made in nineteen seventy three ended in June
of twenty twenty four. That changed the world. It means
it's a free for all. People are selling oil in
(06:39):
their own currency. They're selling oil in rubles, Russian rubles,
are selling it in Chinese yuan, and that means that
our economy, even if you don't care about politics, when
the dollar is no longer the main currency, people are
spending and buying and selling it around the world, our
economy is about to.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Get jacked as and our passport is also not the
most powerful passport used to be either, and a lot
of people we've seen tourism has gone down. We've seen
that even with students, exchange students, they're not coming here
like they used to. And that affects everybody and everybody's economy.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right, And so even if people don't care, think about like,
for instance, I have a friend that just came back
from Las Vegas. No problem getting tables right, no problems
with vegavations druggling right now, struggling and people and their
whole economy is tourism. Same with Florida. Florida tourism way down,
New York tourism way down. It affects all of us
because Trump is alienated the whole world with those tariffs,
with the bullying, with threatening to invade ten countries and
(07:33):
saying he's.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah Greenland, Like why do we want Greenland? Can you
break that down? Because not we, but why does Trump
want Greenland? Because that's another place now that he's talking
about taking over.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
He wants Greenland for the same reason he's saying he
wants to take over Canada, for the same reason he
wants to take over Venezuela Oil. And what they call
they're these minerals, these sort of specific minerals that are
under Greenland's soil that you can't get anywhere else and
they're very profitable if you can get control of them
and sell them. And Greenland is one of the few
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places that has them. So we want these minerals. We
just want their minerals, we want what's under the soil.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So just to wrap this part up, this has nothing
to do with the drug trafficking, because that is the
guys of why Nicholas Maduro was arrested, right and well,
not arrested, but he kidnapped. Him and his wife were kidnapped,
and they broke his wife's ribs and the process of
all of that. Because I think two things can be true.
I didn't know that much about him, but from what
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we've been seeing, a dictator, you know, stole the election,
got his opposition out of there, and so they're rejoicing
the fact that he's no longer in power. But at
the same time, the way that he went about it
with no type of checks and balances system. Here, Congress
had no idea that this was going to happen, but
the oil companies knew.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
The oil companies got a heads up. Our Congress did
not get a heads up. But here's the other thing
people need to understand. We did not overthrow Maduro's regime
all ere, Everyone but him and his wife are still
in power.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So if you're the same people.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's the same people. So if you're a Venezuelan who's
cheering right now, understand that the Trump regim is now
going to say Venezuela's belongs to the oil companies, Our
companies run it, and now it's safe to go home.
You're going to go home to the same guy running
the secret police, the same people who are killing you,
the same people except for Maduro himself and his wife.
The rest of them are still in power, and Trump
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is willing to do business with them because all they
care about is the oil and forcing Venezuela to sell
oil in dollars. The main issue is it's oil, yeah,
but they're down to like ten percent of their real
output in oil. The main thing is if you are
a dictator that's got oil under the soil in your
country and you try to sell oil in anything but dollars,
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you find out. Saddam Hussein got god because he tried
to do it. Mosedek back in nineteen fifty seven in
Iran tried to nationalize their oil and sell it in
whatever currency he wanted. He got got Libyam walmart Cadappi
said hey, maybe we'll sell oil in gold that will
mine right here in Libya. He got gotten. There's a trend.
If you try to sell oil or minerals in anything
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but dollars, the United States will take you down. This
was the same thing that happened that we've done before.
We did it in Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Now some people are under the impression that Donald Trump
is going to be running Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Now that's what Trump thinks.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And I saw Marco Rubio kind of ducking and dodging
around that question. How is that even possible, because there's
a whole country here to run that is a disaster
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
They can't even run the United States, right they can't.
I mean, can you imagine these people who can't get
US health care and can't figure out how to make
this country affordable are going to also run that country.
Not going to happen. We're going to get is a
vacuum like we get every time we try to do
regime change. It's going to be a mess. And the
other thing we need to remember is we did this
in Kuwait back in the nineties. We went in invaded
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them for the oil companies to make the US oil
companies take over Kuwait. Kuwaitis just started burning the oil fields.
That's a country of thirty million people. Are they all
going to cooperate with Marc Rubio and Donald Trump running
their country. Some of them are going to resist, and
they could do a lot of damage to those oil fields.
They could just start burning them, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I was also reading a headline an article about oil
not being it's not going to affect China as much
as they think it is, because they've been moving to
clean energy, correct and in general, I think that's been
a movement to our clean energy. So what does that mean,
Because maybe this oil isn't going to be as valuable
as it once was, it's not.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The thing that's kind of sad about the current administration
and what they're doing. They're chasing the nineteenth century. They
want like nineteenth century laws for women and black people.
They also want a nineteenth century economy with manufacturing and oil,
whereas the rest of the world, particularly China, they're moving on.
They're moving on from the dollar, they're moving on from
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fossil fuels. Even Saudi Arabia that they're all about oil.
They moving on. They're like running comedy shows. They want
to get into the entertainment industry. They're trying to create
their own Hollywood everyone else is moving on except Donald Trump,
who still lives in the eighties. So they're trying to
create this old fashioned economy based on old fashioned and
boss fuels. It's never coming back. The rest of the
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world is moving on from us, and the challenge we're
going to have is that we're so spoiled and used
to being the country. Everyone wants to send their kid
to university here. Everyone wants to come here to visit.
Everyone wants to go to San Francisco, in New Orleans,
everyone wants to visit Las Vegas and New York. That's
all going away. No one wants to do business with us.
They don't want to send the kids here. They don't
want our oil, they don't want our economy, they don't
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want our rules and are bossing them around. The rest
of the world is moving on, and don is making
a movie.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And it feels dangerous here because now I want to
talk about ice, and we saw what happened in Minneapolis,
I mean an absolute disaster. Renee Good shot and killed
by an ICE agent. I believe his name is Jonathan Ross.
Jonathan Ross, Jonathan russ I saw his father spoke out
and said that nothing's going to happen to him, and
he was proud of him, you know, acting like he
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had done nothing wrong. And when you watch that video,
and I want to say, my dad's been staying at
my house and he literally watched it over and over,
like probably about thirty times, to the point where I
was like, Dad, like, and we've seen you know different video.
I saw you had it on the joy Read Show
where you were discussing and breaking down exactly what happened.
So I would love for you to break that down
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now because I've seen people in my comments saying things like, well,
that's why the illegals shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I had somebody call in the other day and talk
about how he was at a party and Ice came
in and raided the party. He's Mexican, but he's a
citizen here and everybody was it was a kin sannio
and they zip tie them pulled him up by his
zip tie. He had his documentation fortunately for him, and
was able to get released. But after he got roughed
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up and beat up and all of that, and you know,
this is really tragic. I can't even imagine what that
must feel like. And the PTSD that you have after
something like that. But I just want you to break
down what happened with.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Renee.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So they are about two thousand ICE agents that have
been surged into Minnesota because of course Trump is whipping
up this fear of Somali's you know, running rampant over
their welfare system. They're like, we're going to deport as
many as we can get our hands on, as well
as obviously as many brown people as they can get
their hands on. This woman was part of a group
of people who they train to try to be ICE interrupters,
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and what they try to do is observe what ICE
is doing, film them, and try to use their white privilege.
To be honest, they're mainly white people.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Which is what we ask which is what we ask
them to.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, right, yeah, because black people like, we can't get on,
we can't put our bodies on the line because cops
will shoot us. And so the presumption had been particularly
a white woman because remember part of the rationale for
doing this with ICE is to save white women, christine,
white women from being ravaged by you know, criminal brown men.
So they white women have been taking the lead in
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being the ones to step forward and challenge ICE. And
to say, as white people, we can step to ice
and step to police in a different way. In this case,
this white woman and her wife who's also a white woman.
We're driving in an suv. They parked to try to
block ICE from snatching people out of a suburban neighborhood.
This was not like on the mean streets in Minneapolis.
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This was in a suburb.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeahouse a doctor.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The neighbor's a doctor. This is a quiet, white suburb.
So they're driving and they park. The ICE agents come
up to the car. They get out of the car
and they to shorten it. They bang on her door
and tell her get out of the car. They order
her to get out of the car. She panics and
starts to back up to get away, and they one
of the ICE officers, Jonathan Ross, shot three times into
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the car, shot her in the face, and killed her.
The reason I think this is significant and is different
from the previous shootings is to me, this is a
George Floyd moment.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
And not far from not far from where that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Happened right six years later. And the reason I think
it's a George Floyd moment is that George Floyd answered
the question are black people making it up when we
say cops can just kill us and will right. We
saw a police officer with people filming him, was willing
to kill George Floyd in front of a crowd on camera.
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In this case, I think it's a George Floyd moment
because this is one of those moments when somebody who's
supposed to be safe with law enforcement, a white woman,
a Christian, a mom, she had just dropped her kid off,
her six year old off at school, who's doing all
the right things. She is a citizen, This is not
a question of her being an undocumented immigrant.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It didn't feel like ICE agents were in danger of
their lives at any way.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They weren't easily have moved out of the way easily, and.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Did move out and walked away no injuries. The chief
of police in Minneapoli said no one was injured except
the woman who was dead. None of those men were injured.
And it was that moment where you realize nobody's safe.
White women aren't safe. They'll kill them too, And so
I think it's a George Floyd level moment. I think
Renee Good becomes like the George Floyd of this resistance
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against ICE because if a white woman. I mean, they've
been killing brown people and shooting I mean, you know,
shooting brown people, shooting black people, harassing them, throwing them
to the ground, degrading them.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's a regular day.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
As a regular day. But you know what we're going
to talk about on the show tonight is you know,
they were doing that to black people until they did
it to a little northern boy named Emmett Till, and
all of a sudden it was a different level of alarm.
There's a different level of alarm when you did it
to Viola Luzo or or Reverend James Reed who were white,
or Goodman and Schwerner who were with Cheney and treated
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just like Cheney. And so I think there are these
moments in history when the state commits violence against somebody
who's supposed to be safe with them.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And then I think the reaction afterward is also instead
of saying this is a tragedy, this should have never happened,
the reaction was basically Trump and his supporter JD. Van
saying that this was justified and she was in the wrong,
and painting her out to be some type of criminal.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
A terrorist. Christy Nome and Jadie Vance are called her
a terrorist. Even Trump, when the New York Times did
an interview, an editorial interview with him, they played him
the video and even he couldn't stand by that. He
started backtracking off of calling her a terrorist. When you
watch the video, and by the way, there's lots of
video CNN's compiled it. I am going to play a
(18:22):
SlowMo version of it. I'm like your dad, I've been
watching this thing on loop because i want to see
every answer.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And this audio too, where you can hear certain things
that she's saying.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You can hear what you said, and you can also
see that this officer was not in any danger. If
you do the slow moo, you can see him lean back.
He is not being touched by the car, put his gun,
point his gun at this white woman and shoot her
in the face three times. He was not in danger.
If this in any other situation, you would expect the
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Justice Department to investigate. But now the FBI is refusing
to cooperate with local law enforcement. They normally cooperated, and
shooting like this, they're refusing to cooperate. So that just
shows me that they know that this is wrong. You know.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
In addition, after she was shot and killed.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
We talked about the neighbor who was a doctor, wanted
to go and actually tried to do something, and they
would not let her do.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That, would not allow a doctor to help, would not
allow her to And you didn't see anyone trying to
give her aid at all. This guy shot her and
then walked away and then was waving the crowd off.
There was no attempt to do CPR, there was no
attempt to save her life. Nothing was done.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, I want to ask you do you think
because like I said, Jonathan and Ross, we're going to
say his name. His father, Ed Ross, has defended his
son's actions said he will not be charged with anything.
She hit him. He also had an officer whose arm
was in the car. That's what he told the Daily Mail.
What do you see happening? Because I know people are
calling for there to be some type of justice in
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your opinion, what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What I would say is to all of these ice
offers who are getting there, you know, I don't even
know if they've ever collected their fifty thousand dollars bonuses
to sign up for this duty, I would not listen
to Steven Miller and JD. Vance giving you legal advice,
because I would more listen to JB. Pritzker, the governor
of Illinois, who said, y'all just keep playing because there
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will be a change in administration and there will be
a different Justice Department one day. And there's the statue
of limitations on murder is long. And there are also
the possibility of state charges, which Donald Trump can't help
you with. He cannot pardon you if you get charged
by the state. If this guy gets charged with murder
in the state of Minnesota, there's nothing Trump can do
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about it. And I would not get too comfortable. These
people are not showing warrants, which they're required to do.
They're violating people's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. There's something
called a constitutional violation under color of law. And if
you are exercising undue force without asking, you know, having
a reasonable attempt to get the person to comply, you
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don't have absolute immunity. That is just not true. I'm
a lawyer, but I can tell you that the lawyers
I'm talking to are saying they think they have a munity.
That's what they're acting like this.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, and I think this is Also, we have to
look at this as sets a precedent, right, because I
think with a lot of these ICE agents, they feel
like they can do whatever they want and know that
they'll be backed by the administration, by the President and
praise for doing things like this.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It is murder.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And they're also recruiting so aggressively.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh my god. Spotify is like, we're not going to
advertise anymore for ICE.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah. And Arrow, I think it's the company's called Arrow,
one of the airlines they've been using to fly people
out of the country. They've said, we're done, We're not
going to do business with you.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
We said the Hilton hotel that actually wouldn't let them
stay there, but now Hilton cut them off.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah. I mean, there's no people are going to start
to treat ICE like the pariahs they really deserve to be.
And you're going to start to see that spreading home
Depot is getting boycottage.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yes, the absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Stopping ICE from coming in, and you're gonna and I
think this woman because again it's not that the black
and brown lie that have been interrupted and destroyed by
ICE don't matter. They obviously matter. But you know, we
live in America this white lady, this Christian white mom,
they killed her. I think it's an em until George
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Floyd moment.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And you know, I just want to respond to like
people who were in my comments saying, oh, well, these
illegals shouldn't be here. Where can Americans go and just
take up residents illegally anytime they went to there are
people who had status here that that got revoked. I mean,
I'm looking at people who have lived here like basically
their whole lives and then have been deported to places
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they've never even been to.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The've never been. And by the way, during the pandemic,
I saw a lot of Americans going and taking up
residents in Mexico where they're not from, because they wanted
to be in a warm space. During the pandemic, I
did go to Mexico for a lot of people did, right.
And so when Americans are saying I want to leave
the country because you know, Trump is bothering me, you
don't want people to say, well, you can't come here.
Americans do it all the time. It's not as if
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it's only other people who do it. Americans do it too.
Americans go where they want to go and they stay
and they overstay their pieces. That's not uncommon. Then the
other thing is we always forget that there's something pulling
these people here, which is the work that most Americans
are not interested in doing. I challenge you to find
ten Americans willing to go in the fields and pick lettuce. Yeah,
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no tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Listen, it's been and we've seen how hard it's been
for certain people who say they have a team of
people they need to hire to do contracting work. And
it's been really really hard for people to even get
people who want to come to work. Even if you're
here legally, you don't know if something's going to happen,
if you're going to get arrested, you're going to get detained, and.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
That has happened.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I know people have said, oh, well, if you're here
and you're supposed to be here, you're fine, But it
has happened.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
It has happened. And if you're in that Minneapolis neighborhood,
not only are you being terrorized by these people, as
JD Ban said, going door to door in a white
suburban neighborhood, they're tracking everyone's phone. They're using pallunteer technology
to track our phones so that they can find anyone
they think might be undocumented there because the Supreme Court
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said they could racially profiling people. So a Latino who's
fully American born here, got a passport but has an
accent or is brown, they're stopping them. It feels very
much like white South Africa in the eighties. Any person
who is not white can be stopped, can be questioned
based on their accent, can have their papers demanded. People
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are having to walk around people I know whose citizens
have to walk around with their passport or their birth certificate.
This is like white South Africa. Who wants to live
in a country where random men who do not have
to show you a badge, who do not have to
show you a warrant, can simply walk up to you
demand to know are you an American citizen? Can bust
into your home, no warrant, nothing, and just demand to
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see your papers. This is not a country anyone who
want to visit or live in.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Now midterms are coming up, and I do see some
Republicans actually maybe feeling like they have I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Know, like maybe five.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So I want to talk about have you seen or
do you feel like there's been any type of pushback
from people that you know obviously be so Marjorie Tailla Green,
and that was with the Epstein Files. But have you
seen any type of like, okay, any humanity would you say?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I would say the Epstein Files was one instance where
you did see a pushback because I think they they.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Ain't talking about that at all, no more.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, also got of succeeded in getting that off the
front pages. But you are seeing people break away on
two things. One on this jerry mandering. In Indiana, they
were like, we're not jerry mandering our state for you.
Donald Trump insulted one of the senior Republicans by using
the R word, and that man happens to have a
son who's emotionally it was mentally disabled, and so that
turned people off, and people were like, I'm not doing it.
(25:49):
So there's some states where the same, We're not going
to do jerry mandering and mess with our maps to
help you get more seats, more seats in Congress. The
other one is the Affordable Care Act. Yes, and this
is self interest. This has nothing to do with humanity.
These Republicans are going home and just like Marjorie Taylor
Green was saying her kids can't afford healthcare. These Republicans,
most of them are in red states that didn't expand Obamacare.
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The subsidies, the federal subsidies for a lot of their
constituents are the only way they get healthcare. So people
are screaming at them, now, I need those subsidies. So
you're starting to see it. So you did see the
House defy Donald Trump use what's called a discharge petition,
meaning they can go around the speaker of the House
force a bill onto the floor.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
And it did pass, but it still has to make
it through the Senate.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And the problem we have in the Senate is that
the sucker. The sucker has six I guess you could
call them with it, six of them that decided to
go ahead and reopen the government without getting a deal
to extend those subsidies. Now we have to see if
John Thune they have more power. The Senate works a
little differently. You can't just force things onto the floor.
And so if Republicans who have the majority don't allow
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a vote on this bill, it's still dead in the water.
The House passes whatever it wants, if the Senate doesn't
take it up, it doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know, the midterms and they Affordable Care Act. You know,
Donald Trump was very upset that some Republicans in the
House sided with the Democrats. And I see the Republicans
scrambling now, like we have to really stick together. Now,
you can't go against the home team.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, they're so scared. I mean, there are a few
like Rand Paul because the other thing they're breaking away
on is whether or not we can just start a war,
whether or not the White House.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh yes, And they actually have attempted to say no,
you can't do whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
And a few that I was surprised about Josh Hawley
signed on. That was like seven of them who are like,
you can't just start a war, right, So, and Rand
Paul's been very consistent, just as Massy, Congressman Massy on
the House side has been consistent about some things. I
don't count on Republicans to stand against Trump. In the end.
They always fold because they're too afraid of his base.
They're too afraid of his supporters, and his supporters are
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a religious cult. They're going to do whatever Trump wants,
and I think in the end they just do what
he says.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, So what should we be doing now as
I want to say this, I was in San Quari
when everything happened in Venezuela, right, and then.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It was very difficult for people who were.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Trying to travel for the you know, the next couple
of days out of the Caribbean. And I also was
a little concerned, like what's gonna happen here, because everybody
does not agree with Donald Trump kidnapping the president, dictator,
whatever you want to call him out of Venezuela. And
so I'm a little like, Okay, it's something going to
happen here.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That is literally, my son, who was trying to call
me while I was talking to you, has been calling
me about this every day because he lives in the city.
He lives in New York City. And if they're you
have to remember Venezuela does have close relationships with Iran,
and Iran does have close relationships with terrorist groups like Hesbola.
That doesn't mean there's gonna be terrorism in reaction to
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Donald Trump overthrowing their dictator, but that doesn't mean it's
not gonna happen. But we don't know, and if it happens,
people tend to go for the Marquis Cities ac DC
New York and the Blue Cities that didn't do anything.
It's like, this isn't even our fault. And so I
think unfortunately, if something like that were to happen, yeah,
I think we should could be concerned about it. But again,
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the whole regime is still in place. It's not like
it's just Madua and his wife.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That got you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
One person out, nobody that has anything to do with
the drug cartels, Like none of the drug card tell
people they're still fine, even though the guys was, oh,
you know, you guys are shipping drugs into Yeah, and
that's that's the whole reason we did.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
This supposedly, and they dropped that real quick. And by
the way, if it's about drugs, then why is the
former president of Hondura free to go when he was
a drug dealer got a pardon And like, you know,
my Maduro is a lot of bad things. But even
the kind of drugs they're saying come out there don't
even come from there. It comes from you know, Mexico
and other places. Yeah, there's probably drug shipments of cocaine
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to go through all these Latin American countries, but in
some cases Trump is fine with it. They don't care
about drugs, and they certainly don't care about his base
being strung out. They don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
What do you think is going to happen with midterms?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And if you know today we're looking at everything that's happening,
the trajectory that we're on, what do you anticipate.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I mean, we have free and fair elections, which is
definitely not certain. They've done a lot to mess with elections,
and I don't know how much confidence I have that
the elections will be untainted. But if we had untainted elections,
I think Democrats would take over the House for sure.
There was a Republican House member that just died out
of California, so they only have a one seat majority
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in the House. Now, it's very very tight. It's gonna
be hard for Republicans to hold onto the House. I
think that's likely Democrats get the House. The Senate is
a little more up in there.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That's why I want to tell everybody y'all got to vote.
And I want to say I saw your sit down
interview with Mam Donnie. Yeah, and I met Mam Donnie
super early on when they were so many people that
were in the race from mayor of New York and
I remember thinking to myself, I liked him. He came
to this event that I was hosting at break It
was about the arts and New York City, and he
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got there a little late because he took the train.
He was like, sorry, I'm late, my train was delayed.
And I was like, I didn't really know much about him, right,
And I was like, this is a long shot for
I'm looking at everybody, the State Controller, like everybody else
who's you know, running obviously Eric Adams. And then you know,
we knew Cuomo hadn't thrown his head in yet, but
he was going to. And that's why voting matters. Though,
(31:12):
I do want to say I think that's a prime
example as somebody who was really an underdog at first.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And it also shows you that people who especially like
young people who are votes, are like, well, they don't
care about voting. They'll vote if you give them something
to vote for, right, And I think it really is
a good lesson for the Democratic Party. No, not everybody's
going to be a mom donnie. But he won by
the largest margin in thirty years. He won overwhelmingly, and
he won in places he was not supposed to win
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on paper because people who don't normally vote came out
and voted for him. And so I think what Democrats
need to learn is sometimes y'all are just not offering
people a reason to come out and vote, and saying
Trump is bad is not enough. You know, people are
going to vote against to a certain extent, but people
also want to vote for something. And what I think
he did that was brilliant is he said, let me
(32:00):
give you something to vote for. Your rent is too
damn high, let me help with that. Your food costs
are too high, Let me help with.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
That child care, childcare, And they that, yeah, that's already
in motion, already.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
In motion to give people free childcare and the free
busses thing. People are like, that's never gonna happen. Until
it does if you get somebody who understands how to
use executive power and it's not afraid. What I love
about my Dannie is he's too young to be jaded
about politics and think I can only nickel and dime
these promises. He is too young to not want to
(32:31):
do everything he said he wants to do, and to
aggressively push to use as much power as he can
that's not like normal Democrats. They normally nickel and dime
their power and they're like ashamed of it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, because I think there's always this dynamic where you're like, Okay,
this person, you know doesn't have enough experience versus this
person is old. We need to get them out of there, yeah,
you know, and we need to get rid of that.
So there's always like this balance of doing with somebody
who's like super experienced, been doing this for a long time,
knows everybody, you know. Mama was kind of like running
on the premise that he could talk to Trump right
(33:04):
and make things happen. Eric Adams at first too, you know,
was kind of running on that premise. But and then
Mom Donnie went and met with Trump. What did you
think about that? Because I want to know, because people
were definitely up in arms like what is this about?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And Trump seemed to take a liking to him.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It seemed like Trump fell in love with this man.
And I did ask him like what did you do?
Like how did you get I think what it is
is that Trump likes stars, He likes people who he thinks.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Are snybody was handsome.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, And remember when when the Jimmy Carter funeral. He
was like trying to key key with Obama, like he
was all in Obama stage. I'm like, I'm nott. You
hated Obama.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Like each other.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
He loves celebrities and anyone he thinks is a handsome celebrity,
he really wants to suck up to them. So I
think that was part of it. And also I think
he spoke his language. He's like, look, let's just talk business.
I'm not here to be your friend. You're not here
to be my friend. You're still the dictator to me.
You're still a fastest MA don't care. Let's talk business.
And Trump. I think respect somebody that's strong, that sticks
to their principles. And look, if you're the people who
(33:59):
were saying he shouldn't have gone met with him, yeah
you should have. You're the mayor of the most important
city in the country where Donald Trump is from, where
he's from, and it's the financial capital of the United States.
You don't have to deal with them. You've got to
figure out how to deal with them. And I think
it was smart for him to get in there and
figure out how we're going to deal with each other. Right,
I mean, FDR had to deal with Stalin, so right,
(34:22):
it's the way it is.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, listen, I appreciate you so much. It's always to
me just amazing that you come and give me your
time because it's important for my platform for people who
listen to this show. And I started off talking about
how we really need to be intentional about what networks
and what outlets that we're paying attention to. I told
you I watched the Jury Read show all the time,
(34:45):
and that is where I'm able to really kind of
see what's.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Going on, and you can't not pay attention.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I had a conversation with somebody the other day that
was like, I really don't know anything about politics, but
there's like, you don't have to be an expert. I'm
definitely not an expert in anything, but I'm paying attention
so that I know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I always vote, and I always tell people that you
need to get out there and vote, and I always
think about who I think would be a good leader. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Absolutely, And yeah, there's a famous saying that I think
is true that just because you're not interested in politics
doesn't mean the politics is not interested in you. Absolutely,
and the stuff they're doing, you think it doesn't affect you.
Go ahead and deport two three million undocumented people. Watch
the price of everything you eat, every construction project, everything
(35:25):
go up. Mess with China, keep messing with them. Then
walk in Walmart. Go ahead and tear of them. Everything
in Walmart was made in China. So when they mess
with China, they're messing with your Walmart. They're messing with
your shopping machine. They're messing right. If you want to
mess with Japan, come on, I mean, what do we
make in this country. Your PlayStation is made in Japan.
Your iPhone is made in Asia. The parts come from Africa.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And it's easy to say we should just make stuff here,
but you know how long and hard that's going to be,
and the quality, but that's about that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
They like your iPhone can be even jank. They're bad enough.
Wenna have the experts.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Please would not do that and not for the barbers
to come at you. But what did you think about
Nicki Mina?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Listen speaking of undocumented people, This lady came here and
by the way, we share a birthday, so it's a
little weird that we always caught. We did b before.
So I was a fan of her music. I think
she's a musical talent. I mean just you know, like
Kanye West, these are talented musicians. Nobody should never listen
to anything she says other than just her music. This
lady came here at five years old undocumented. She understands
(36:24):
what it's like to be undocumented, grew up in this city.
She's deportable because she definitely was undocumented originally. She is
a Trinidadian. She didn't say anything about the killing of
those Trinidadian fishermen. I'm quite sure the people in Trinny
noticed that she doesn't seem to care about her people
and the idea of sucking up to Trump. Not long
after you said you don't want a millenia because you
(36:47):
don't want a weak woman, right, you don't want somebody
that's just sucking up to the president, and after you
criticized his deportation policies yourself. But now all of a
sudden you're kissing his ass.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
What do you think happened?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I think she has a brother and a husband. You've
got some serious legal issues around pedophilia, particularly her brother
who's serving what twenty five to life or something for
the you know, violation of a child or of children,
and I think she's thinking, you know how I can
get a pardon. I'll go be friends with the Turning
Points USA. People all kiss Trump's ass and Vance's ass,
(37:19):
and maybe I'll get pardons and maybe I won't get deported.
I mean, I think my cynical self says that she's
trying to protect herself, her brother, and her husband from
the administration by kissing their ass, and it's it's embarrassing
and sad, and as a hip hop fan, I think
it's the thing that hurts me the most is watching
hip hop artists that I respect their respect musically, I'll
(37:40):
line up for Trump because they get nothing from it.
He will never respect you. You will never be one
of them.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, I've seen people get that she's not getting his
no apparently NA, which I was surprised because I know
it's all about the money.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
So I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
He probably didn't write a big enough checking on he cheat.
Though they cheating. You gotta give the real money, because
apparently that's you gotta do. As Carlos Watson, I want
to know how much money they're all paying, But you.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Got to Carlos Watson got his part in too Yeah
from Ozzie Media. You do, well, we gotta have a
pop culture show one day. We should, girl, don't get
I know you talk about every you know, the news
and politics and all of that all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, let's do if you if you haven't watched it,
watch Stranger Things, and then we should do a Stranger
Things conversation. I'm obsessed, obsessed.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, and I saw Prince his music catalog shot up,
like because it's Stranger Things.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh. Absolutely, not only Stranger Things, but the one that
I really I just got finished watching Welcome to Dairy. Oh,
I was watching that to itsessed, Like Welcome to Day
is actually.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You know, my favorite favorite genre of to watch.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Oh really?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, I love hard too.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh I love a zombie thing, but no, it's a
good one. Well, I mean Welcome to Dairy is the
one I'm actually loved the most because they snucked like
a very black narrative to something that you wouldn't even
think of. You know, the IT franchise is its own thing.
But I'm not going to spoil it for you, but
there's a character in Welcome to Dairy that this is
the prequel to the Shining.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
What I see. I haven't finished it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Listen it is in the car, and then yeah, okay, good,
I'm on it. I gotta That means I gotta go
back because I was actually at home putting together furniture
while I was watching it, so I was like missing
things and having to rewind it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
But I'm I'm gonna make sure I go author through.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Welcome to Dairy. That is actually, to me, the best
series that's out right now. It's saying it is so
good and it's so nuanced, and it's given you timelines
and history and different eras and stuff. But that when
that when I finally got that connection to The Shining,
one of my favorite films, and I love Stephen King. Baby,
it will blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, I'm on it. Well, thank you so much for
joining me. I always appreciate it. I know you're gonna
come back because I feel like we're here, you know
what I'm saying, Thank you, sus I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
All right, It's way up
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