Joy‑Ann Reid Claps Back at Stephen A. Smith, Breaks Down Iraq War, Blasts Trump Speeches + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Its way up with Angela Yee, And what a day
for you to be here today, Joyne Reid is here
with me.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's so good to be here, Angela.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yesterday I was saying to myself, man, there is so
much going on right now, and how appropriate that Joyanne
Read is going to be here because you are the
person that was like the go to person to watch
on the news, but now you're the go to person
to watch with your very own show. So congratulations on
the Joyread Show.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm like so excited about how well it's doing and
how many people are vibing with it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It makes me feel good.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Over a million people have viewed it like in the
first you know, one week and the first week that's huge.
That has to feel good because no matter what, when
you start something new that's yours, you always are like
a little nervous, like what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
How will people receive this?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I was totally nervous. I was in a complete, like
one week panic attack. I mean because every day it's
a different level of intensity because I don't have a
fifteen person staff and a you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Know, thirty person crew.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I don't have all of the resource versus it's you know,
my husband or mine. We have a production company, our
girl Adrian or small group. We were sort of a.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Like little band of determined people.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know. It's half a dozen people as opposed to
you know, fifty people, and so it's all on us,
and so the pressure is all on you know, it's
on us. And so when we launched it, we were
betting on ourselves, you know. And it just makes me
feel good that so many of my people, my folks,
are still here for me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's interesting because it also gives you the opportunity to
kind of say what you want to say.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I remember you talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Like your tweets were a big problem just tweeting how
you know, just expressing things, and that was something that
you were getting cause about.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But now you can do what you want.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I can do what I want.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Sometimes you need that push, though, to get that freedom.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So I think sometimes things that you look at as
a negative are just God saying no, you need to
do this in a different way and you need to
be your authentic self. And look, I mean, they really
did hate my tweets and my social media. They hated
my Instagram. They would literally, I mean I would literally
get call in for liking a post, not reposting it,
just hitting a like on something. I'm like, you guys
are policing me that seriously, that you're looking at what
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I'm liking and I'm not liking like I mean, we've
got Nazism happening in America, I'm not liking that. I mean,
if I knew that somebody was liking like a Nazi
post or like a you know, super racist post something
like that, that would be one thing.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But these were just.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Posts about Gaza. These were just posts about things that
were happening in the world. These were just posts about
Trump or you know, or liking a post that was
mocking him.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
We can't mock the president of the United.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
States, the free country. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He's posted about you, and he's sam and I listen,
I always say it's a compliment if he has some
negative things to say about you, because he basically was
saying you're not a star, you're not this, you're not that.
I remember that too, and I was like, Okay, good,
because the last thing you want is for Trump to
be like I really like her, right.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And also, Donald Trump, I'm saying to myself, I'm like,
if you were logical about this, Donald, you wouldn't do it.
Because what you've done is you've told the whole world
and all your two hundred and fifty million followers that
you know who I am. You're not supposed to if
I'm untalented, unimportant.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why do you know who I am? And why do
you know my Twitter handle?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, absolutely, And you know, I know that the trolls
have been coming. But what I love that you did
is you've turned it around and said, look, you can
watch my stuff for free, but if you want to
leave a comment, you got to pay to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So the trolls have to pay if they want to
leave a comment.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
That's correct, and you can feel free to troll. It will,
but it will cost you eight dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now, tell me about this whole process, because no matter
what I know, you know, there could be some misconceptions
about things that happened.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I saw Steven A.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Smith went and did this whole thing where he complimented you,
but then at the same time he was like, your
ratings went down, you know, forty seven percent, and no
matter what, and after the election, and da da da
da da.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So what did you think when you saw that?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
First of all, I just did the math. Steven A.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Smith is very successful at ESPN, But the last I checked,
it's about half a million people watch that show. I
had double that on a bad day at MSNBC. So
if you're going to talk numbers, let's talk all the numbers,
including your own, Stephen. And the second thing I would
say is, yes, we went down by about forty six
percent at on the readout on my show, the network
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overall went down about fifty one percent. Okay, So we
had just had a ratings meeting saying after the twenty
twenty twenty four election, we were riding high. I mean
there were nights we had one point seven million people
watching just one night of our program because people were
high on Kamala. So in the months leading into the election,
everyone was watching MSNBC. We were going live to her events.
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You know, when Megan these Statue was performing, we were live.
Nicole Wallace was getting nearly two million people watching. That's
Rachel Maddow numbers right, And Rachel Matta was in the
two millions. Like these numbers were huge that we were
getting leading into the election because I think the Democratic
base was on a high, and MSNBC is their channel.
As soon as Kamala Harris was declared not the winner
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of that election, the bottom dropped out of all cable
news ratings other than Fox. Fox ratings swored CNN, which
had already been in the toilet. Their ratings were horrible.
They didn't have a single show with a million viewers
on it, and this had been for over a year,
ever since they did that town hall with Trump. It
really angered their audience and they really had not come back,
and so they didn't have many bright spots on there show.
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Even Anderson Cooper didn't have a million people watching. And
MSNBC was now routinely beating them. We were beating them
every night. We were beating them even in the demo
most nights. So the thing about we have to understand
about cable news ratings is there's the big number. There's
the total number. We called the P two, and that's
how many people totally are watching. So it would be
like for me, you know, on a good night, you know,
post election, one million, one point one million at Fox,
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their P two is like two million. It's like three million,
you know, like three million people watching. Now, you know,
in a country of three hundred fifty million people, it's
not that many people, but it's a lot for news.
Rachel mattaw on a good Night would get two million
people watching, but in the demo, of their six hundred
thousand people watching a show on CNN, a third of that,
Joe would be in the demo. So their strength was
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in the money demo people who were twenty nine to
fifty four in that demo. CNN was still competitive, but
not in the big number. After the election was over,
we were still either matching or defeating our person that
we were up against in the CNN ratings in the demo,
and we were crushing them in the total number.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right for an entire matters.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's why I wanted to ask you about that, because
I remember that a lot of people did come to
your defense and it was a shocking move, I think
for all of us, and I mean most certainly for
you more than anybody, you know, because I was like,
that is as far as what I watched on television.
You know, you're one of the people that I'm going
to tune in for, and I know a lot of
people were. I told you right before we said I
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saw when Plies had been posting you, and he was like,
you know, tell Joyanne Reid. I said, keep fighting that
good fight. And you know, he's always in support of you,
and he's posted you numerous times.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It's a badge of honor.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I'm a super fan of Flies, and when he the
first time he reposted me, I was like, okay. But
between that and like, you know, anytime that's somebody that
I'm a big fan of, you know, is like reposting me,
I'm like, you know what, I can retire.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I love Flies. I think he's great.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
All right, now, let's talk about what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
This is why I'm so glad you're here, because this
is what I'll be watching you to find out about.
So we're watching everything that's happening right now right with
Donald Trump, and New York City is on high alert.
A lot of places are on high alert right now
because we don't know what's about to happen. And so
can you just kind of break down for me as
far as Donald Trump bombing three different places in Iran
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where there were I guess nuclear bases, and then now
they're firing back at some of the US bases in
the Middle East. Can you just tell us what's going
on in Layman's terms.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Yeah, I mean, basically, we launched an unprovoked attack on
a country that had not attacked us.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
To be very much like we did and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Down Hump had said there'd be no wars and corect Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He ran for officing he would not start stupid wars.
He criticized George W. Bush for the Iraq War. He
and I agreed on that. Although he was four before
he was against it, but he eventually was against the
Iraq War. He said that when he if he became
president again, not only would he end the stupid foreign
wars we were in, but he would not start another one.
A lot of people voted for Trump because they thought
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he was the peace candidate. There were a lot of
Muslims who voted for him over Kamala Harris because they
said he would bring peace to the Middle East, specifically.
So Donald Trump comes into office claiming to be the
peace candidate, pushing actually to get a Nobel Peace Prize
because he said he would end the Ukraine War.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He didn't do that. Then he said that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
He would turn the Middle East into a resort. It
would be so peaceful and wonderful, everyone would want to
build hotels on Gaza on the Gaza Strip because he
would end that war. He didn't do that. Literally two
weeks ago, Donald Trump said that he wanted to give
diplomacy a chance with Iran because all of the West,
the Western world, believes Iran does not have a right
to have nuclear weapons. There used to be a deal
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that was going to stop them from getting nuclear weapons.
Barack Obama signed it beaming at in Yahoo, who was
the Prime Minister of Israel for fifteen years running. He
didn't want that deal done. Obama did it anyway. Trump
came into office, undid it. Joe Biden came into office,
did not put it back in. So now Iran was freedom.
You enrich uranium, and you have to enrich uranium to
a certain point where you can actually take it from
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being just something that can power your energy grid to
something that can make a weapon. And the goal of
the Western world is to stop Iran from getting to
that weapons grade. They don't mind if they have it
just to power their lights, But Iran has never said
they wanted it to be weapons grade. They need to
power their country. They're an oil rich country that should
be independent in terms of generating electricity. So they want
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nuclear energy and they've never said they wanted nukes, and
there's no proof that they've been trying to get nukes,
but beibing at in Yahoo, the leader of Israel is
determined to make sure that not only do they not
get nukes, but that they new to them as a power.
They don't want Iran to be a powerful country in
that region because they want to be the big dog
in the region. Been trying to get president after president
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after US president to get into a war to destroy Iron.
No president was sucker enough to debate until Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I saw a Nanaya who praising course Donald Trump for this,
And so now what does this mean for us? Because
as we're thinking about this as like chess, obviously everything
that you do has multiple reactions, and I see Russia
saying that no matter what, there's supportive not of us
at all.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So what does this mean now for the United States?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I saw Donald Trump, you know, posting about making sure
that we don't that the price of oil doesn't go
up and to keep the price like he can really right,
you know, can have any control over that. But what
now does that mean for us, like what type of danger?
Because this is the main thing I'm trying to figure
out as I'm seeing all these things. I was in Detroit,
I traveled back home. We're in New York, you know,
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we're near Times Square, and I really think about these things,
like is this something that I need to.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Make sure that I'm prepared? Like should I not be here?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I just, you know, I don't want to be in
a state of panic, but I was when I saw
all this this transpiring.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, the irony is New York voted very decisively
against Donald Trump. But New York City is the most
iconic city in America, and when people want to commit
terrorist acts, they tend to go to the iconic cities,
and all the iconic cities are Blue City, San Francisco,
New Orleans, New York City, Washington, D C. And so unfortunately,
the very people who voted not to have Donald Trump
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be president are the most vulnerable if Iran decides to
use one of its proxy forces. So despite them having
their own army and air force and Navy, etc. They
financially control and prop up a group of terrorist organizations.
Hez Belah, the militant wing of Hamas. They get money
from them, and they use them in different countries in
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order to influence politics locally. But they also have the
ability to use those forces against us because we have
military forces station all over the Middle East. And if
they decide they wanted to bomb one and cut in Katar,
for instance, or bomb one in you know, Israel or
somewhere else, our troops are vulnerable, which is.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What they have been doing right now.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, see this is and by the way, it's not
even just bombing our forces in the Middle East, if
they really I mean when Osama bin lad and decide
to wage war against the United States, he did it
by attacking the most iconic buildings he can find, the
World Trade Center, the Pentagon. And I worry being in
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if I would be worried if I were in New
York that if they decide to send a message, and
send a message not just by attacking our troops and
have one of their proxies attack an iconic city. There
is no city more iconic than New York City.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's exactly why I'm like, I'm right here, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And then as far as congressional approval, because I see
that going, that debate going back and forth, like what's
he supposed to get a congression approval? But then I
see people saying and it's hard because you get all
these different messages and I don't know what's true and
what's not. And so then I see them tell about
Barack Obama and he didn't get congressional approval when it
was time to bomb, Like, what is going on? Was
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he supposed to get congressional approval or is this something
that the president has the authority? Well, clearly, you know,
it doesn't really matter if he has the authority to
do something or not if he's not going to abide
by the rules.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And that's the thing is that the Congress of the
United States has become so weak, not just recently but
over the course of decades. We have not declared war
on another country since World War Two, when we declared
war on Japan, not on Germany, but for on Japan
because they bombed Pearl Harbor and so then we declared
war on Japan. Since then, the US has engaged in
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multiple wars Korea, Vietnam, Iraq twice when we kicked them
out of Kuwait and then went and invaded and occupied them.
And now this war none of them was declared. When
Barack Obama bombed Libya to kill Moremar Kadaffi, their leader,
there was no war declared against Libya, but for sure
bombing Libya was an act of war. When Donald Trump
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bombed and killed a man named Sulimani in Iran by
dropping a bomb on him inside of a foreign nation,
that was an act of war, but we didn't treat
it like a war. We've made it so routine for
American presidents to attack foreign nations in acts of war
but not call it a war, call it a special
military operation, or whatever we call it. We've embolden presidents.
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It's not just Trump. There's something wrong with our system
when you can do an act of war against the
country and not call it a war.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
They do it all the time. He isn't the first.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And besides just that, it does feel like Trump has
been embolded and given power to do a lot of
things that previously it's like, okay, there's a system in
place of checks and balances that someone can't just do
whatever it is that they want to do, and rolling
back a lot of things that in particular, it shows
me that he wants to make sure that black and
brown people continue to be oppressed. Women continue to be oppressed,
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but somehow people don't see it that way.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Confusing to me because I feel like these are like
specif And I know you have not been a fan
of Donald tup since the Central Park five, right, which
you've been very clear on, and I agree with that.
That's something that he's still to this day will not
admit that he was.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Seeing him for defamation because he won't stop.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And the fact that people think they have no rationality,
like you ruin these people's lives here, you know, and
now yes, fortunately you know people, but it's still something
that the trauma from that is never going to be
a race from their childhood.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And there's people who still.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Think that they did something wrong and you know it's
already been.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
You know, these were fourteen and fifteen year old boys
and they spent up to thirteen years in prison for
something they did not do. They were called rapists, gang rapists.
People wanted to kill them, and Donald Trump wanted to
kill them. He put an ad.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I remember that ad. I remember his own money. He
had nothing to do with nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Nothing to do with it. And so the reality is
since I have no use for him. Didn't watch the Pants,
no interest because I think he's a criminal. I think
he's a fiend, and I think he's a racist, and so,
you know, I don't care that people like him on
The Apprentice.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
That also doesn't make him qualify to be president of
the United States. And he's shown malignant hatred of black
people his whole life. People like, no, he didn't. He
used to get awards from the NAACP. Yeah, because it
was good for his business to pretend to like black people.
You know, sure he likes boxers, but he thinks that
our worth is confined to athletics. Donald Trump, of course,
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loved being around boxers because to him, we're thoroughbreds. We're
supposed to run, jump, playball, and box. Other than that,
we're not to do anything. I did a book on Trump.
I interviewed a lot of people who know him. He
didn't want black people quote unquote counting his money. He
only wanted Jewish people counting his money, which is also
defaming Jewish people. He did not want black people in
the front office of his buildings so that they would
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be visible when people walked in. He believed all the
visible people at his businesses needed to be white. He
hired on documented immigrants, most of them were brown. He
hired lots of people who were brown. The guy who
took the fall for the document theft at mar Lago
is from Guam.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So he loves having brown people around, but he thinks
they're flunkies. He thinks they're fall guys, and he doesn't
want them to be seen by the public. He wants
white people to be visible. Look at his administration.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's almost qualify people that are loyal to him and
white and white.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And his purpose is that he thinks that the United
States was better in a time in the nineteen fifties
when anyone powerful was a white man. So he's created
and look at when he walked out and gave his
announcement about this war, it was Marco Rubio jd vance
him and Marco Rubio, who I think in his mind
might be a white guy as well, even though he's okay,
I mean, but it's like, the purpose is he that's
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the visual he wants, right, He's like, it's not even
just me, this is my army of conservative white men,
and this is the way America should look, this is
the way it should feel, and we should exert power
over brown people with this look.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And he's clear about that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What did you think did you think that him and
Elon Musk would fall out for a period of time
the way that they did, Because I had thought that
as soon as he announced, you know, and they were
so chummy, I was like, this is probably not gonna end.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Well, yeah, I didn't either, because these are two egoistical, needy,
seventh grade girls who were never going to be able
to live in the same locker room for long because
they both want to be president. They both want to
be the boss. They both want the attention, and they're
both attention hogs, and so I thought and eventually they
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were going to get on each other's nerves. But they
also need each other. And to me, I always said, look.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
He wants those contracts, you know, he wants to make
share financially, everything is good. He wants the power that
Donald Trump can afford. Donald Trump loves people with money
or with money.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And so at the end of the day, I don't
care if they don't personally get along. They still want
the same things, right, They both want to get rid
of DEI. They both don't believe black people should be pilots.
They both don't believe black people should be military leaders.
They both don't believe women should have freedom over their
own bodies. They think they should be baby machines. They
think they should shut the hell up and make them
a sandwich. They agree on all the things are important
to me. So if they're fighting individually, I don't care.
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They don't get along for now, they get along tomorrow.
They're still both getting rich off of us.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
What do you think about elections going on right now?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Like I know in New York we have a big
one for the primaries, Yeah, for you know who's gonna
represent us in the for the Democrats, for mayor actually tomorrow.
I gotta vote tomorrow because that's the last day that
I can vote. But it feels like a lot of
what people are talking about is Trump, which kind of
sucks because I feel like we're not talking about things
that we need to do to be able to move forward.
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I feel like a lot of this is based around
conversations or what are we doing about this president? And
then there are really important conversations like about ice and
immigration and really scary things that are happening in this country.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, And I think that the challenge with just keeping
it local is, you know, the New York's the New
York metro area in terms of its GDP has a
larger GDP than Canada. So if you do the metro
area that goes from Jersey City to New York City
to Connecticut to was it sam for Connecticut, that that
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that metro area, it's it's the d top of Canada.
So if you're the mayor of New York City, you're
essentially the mayor of a nation state. You're like the
president of a nation state. New York City could be
its own country in terms of its economic power, and
so you have to essentially have a global view and
a national view to be the New York City mayor.
And you saw what it looks like when that fails.
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Eric Adams got led around like a donkey by Donald
Trump because he's his corruption set him up to be
played by the President, and he gave in on some
really important things that make New York New York. My
parents are immigrants. They came here as immigrants. They came
to New York. The idea that you can be rounded
up at home depot in New York, that you could
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go to your immigration hearing and have ice waiting for you,
that you could be dragged off the streets of New
York for writing an op ed that New York would
become like the center of a fascist takeover.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Soils when you're scared to go to school, correct, there's
schools that are like a lot of the kids aren't
coming in because they don't know what's going to happen, and.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
They don't know if their parents will be there when
they get home. Can you imagine being a kid right
now in the Bronx and wondering if when you get
home your mom, your dad, or your abuela will be there,
because they might get dragged off and you'll never see
them again. That should not be happening in New York,
sanctuary city, in a sanctuary state, it shouldn't be happening.
But it's happening here because Trump wants to punish here
because this is the city that rejected him. It's the
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city that he wanted to be the king of and
they wouldn't let him. It's the city that keeps rejecting
him in terms of elections. It's where he was born
and raised, and he thinks that he should be popular
and loved here and he's not, and he's deciding to
punish these blue cities because they hate him. And so
I think, to be the mayor of New York City,
you are almost the president of a country that has
to fight Trump. But at the same time, you know,
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we had Zohr Mamdani on the show on The Joy
Reid Show, and he talked a lot about the stuff
he wants to do that is local because he knows
that he has to balance fighting Trump on immigration, letting
people have the freedom to ride and off d or
go to home depot and not get snatched, but at
the same time, make it so people can afford to
pay rent here, make it so people can afford to
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live here, because people are leaving because they can't afford
to be in this great city. So he had a balance,
and I think Brad Lander we also interviewed same thing.
He's like, on the one hand, I can't let this
become like Nazi Germany. But on the other hand, we
gotta make sure people can eat and be afford to
ride the subway and be afford to be safe on
the subway.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
We got to do the basics.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
What do you think about Cuomo also running good?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
God help us Jesus. I was thinking this of me
the other day.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
New York is like, it's like a girlfriend that you
have that meets the most amazing men all the time
and goes right back in dates the asshole every day
in time.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
New York is like that girl who.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
They're like, oh my god, this guy was so good
to me, took me out, we had a great time.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Or are you gonna go out with the band now?
I'm gonna go out with Andrew Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I mean, I see it that they're saying that mom
Donnie is actually doing better than Cuomo so far.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So I hope.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So what they're saying.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
The history of New York is like the other David Dinkins,
Damn new York.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It elects the worst people. What is happening?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I want to ask you? What have you learned from like?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Cause I know you know, when you look back in
things in retrospect, it's different when you're in it. But
now that you look back on your time at MSNBC,
what are some things you would say you learned about
yourself and decisions.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I definitely learned and by the way, I can talk
about New York like that because I'm from Brooklyn, So
don't don't come at me.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Y'all out Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
We can say, well, we've on Okay, use flat Bush.
The biggest thing I learned, and I thought about this
a lot since I left there. I learned that I
was all the way in the bubble, and that I
had encased myself in the bubble and I was not
seeing outside the bubble.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I am.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I pride myself on being a pretty savvy political analyst,
and I'm pretty clear eyed most of the time. But
I was not clear eyed going into twenty twenty four
because I was allowing the things I was seeing on
my MSNBC screen convinced me that that was the world
I was living in, Okay, and I wasn't seeing the anger.
Pece people had the real deep anger at the Democratic
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Party on an existential level that would make them reject
Kamala Harris. I thought, yeah, they're angry at Biden. I
didn't understand the deep anger was for the party itself
and its failures, especially on Gaza. I didn't see that
people were literally looking at Trump, not as the fool
that I was portraying him as and that I saw,
and that I could see in the uncut videos of
him talking that it seemed clear to me. But all
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they were seeing was him as a paycheck, right, they
were seeing him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
As a check and also like a savior.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And a savior he was great at marketing himself correct
specific way.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And I thought to myself, a million people died because
of this dude. He was responsible for a million dead Americans.
No one's gonna lect him again. In my mind, I'm like,
they're never going to put him back again. They would
be crazy to do that. But people looked past the deaths.
They looked past their grandma's dying alone with an iPad.
They looked past his foolishness, his dumb foreign policy, his
(24:55):
treacherousness on Ukraine, all the things that we thought were important,
and all they saw with survival. And then for them,
he was their key to survival, and the Democrats were
their key, were the key to just.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The same old shit.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
And if you give people the choice between ugly survival
and sort of like safe demise, they'll take ugly survival.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right at least they feel like they have a chance somehow,
some way, do you consider yourself an activist because I
see people saying she is not a journalist, she's an activist,
Like you can't be both.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Right, I consider myself an activist journalist. In the frame
of Ida b Wells, Ida b Wells was a whole journalist.
She was uncovering lynchings that the New York Times wasn't,
uncovering the fact behind lynchings that the Chicago Tribune was missing.
She was picking up things that major national journalists could
not figure out. And she was doing that as an
activist and a journalist. And I think that, particularly in
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a time of autocracy and fascism, if you're not an
activist journalist, you're not doing it right.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's right, can you?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, I know on MSNBC, some things are we're
opinionated and it's not just straight reporting because people want
that right, they also want to hear that it does
help you sometimes look at things from a different point
of view, and so I think that's also a distinction
that you've had to make so that people can understand
sometimes it isn't just straight reporting.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well, it's so the difference between us and Fox is
Fox or just I don't even know if it's their opinions.
They're just giving you Trump's opinion. They're doing whatever they
think that Trump voters will want to hear, right, And
they're doing that even when they paid had to pay
seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars in a lawsuit
because they knew the election wasn't stolen. They're the ones
who called it first, but they lied to their audience
because they know their audience needs the dopamine. They need
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the drug of Trump is right.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Trump is right. Trump is right, even if they don't
believe it.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I mean, Tucker Carlson says I love Trump, but he
was texting I hate Trump.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I hate him existentially.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I don't know which is true, because he'll say whichever
thing is the most important.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
At the time, right that paycheck, keep that paycheck.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Whereas at MSNBC, we had a standards department and we
weren't just yapping. We actually were And then now we
were giving analysis and it was fact based based on facts,
based on facts. So we couldn't just get up and lie.
We weren't allowed. And I'll give you a perfect example.
The night that Biden had his very disastrous debate. Now
we knew what we saw right, and we could have
(27:19):
come out there and been like he did great, which
is what his surrogates did, right. Kam Lhers came out
and said he was fine. Gavin News came out and
said he was fine. But they were surrogates. Their job
was to say he was fine. And it was brilliantly done.
And some of our analysis was, sure, he didn't seem great,
but the other side is a Nazi. That's also a
valid point of view. He didn't seem like he was okay,
(27:41):
but the other side bringing fast choosing right. But we
were honest with our audience to the point where we
were getting beat up. Nicole Holson and I were talking
about were like we were getting the crap kicked out
of us on social media by our fans, by people
who love MSNBC because we were not carrying water for
Biden and we just weren't going to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know, It's different because I feel like when it
comes to Republicans, they will do that.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
They will do that, yeah, and they know what they see.
Trump doesn't make no sense. Trump speaks and all I
hear and then but until they edit it and chop
that thing up, you do not I promise you will
not understand anything he says. I challenge people when Donald
Trump does a press conference or anything, don't listen to it,
read it, go back and get the transcript. You will
not understand what he's saying. His brain don't work good.
And y'all know it don't work good. You know that
(28:25):
he is sundowning, you know it. But they fix him
and they make him sound coherent.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
When he gave his speech about invading.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean bombing and Ron, he said, and you know,
you know a lot of people didn't know those bombs
could do it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Those bombs really did it. They did the thing, and
then the bombs did it and they know it.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And he's saying so I'm like, like, what, you're supposed
to be serious, and then he.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Goes, yeah, it's like a journalist's dream, but at the
same time, it's a nightmare because it's real life.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
He's an idiot.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, my Michael Wolfe was on our show. He
said he's an idiot savant and that's not a compliment.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, it's not. And I love that you had Amber
reffing on the first episode.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I thought was that felt very like, Okay, this is
a great way to kick things off.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
It was because she was serious about, you know, surviving
as a comedian in an autocratic system, and she's hilarious
and funny.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But we didn't want to come in just like heavy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
We were like, let's at least make you laugh a
little bit, because you have to laugh at this or
you're just gonna cry.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, I want to ask you, so what can we
expect as we're watching this? Because this is now, you
have the freedom to do whatever it is. And I
know on Fridays it's a good freestyle Friday, so people
can engage, ask questions, get those answers. But can you
just tell me, like what is your goal or what
would be your dream?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
If?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Like people, if you could break it down for this
is what my show is about.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
What my show is about, I would say, is trying
to make the ununderstandable mess that's happening in the world understandable,
right and bite size so you can get it, so
you can get it and move on with your life.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I want to make the horrible things that are happening
digestible so that we can understand what we're dealing with.
Because we got we have to face it. But also
I think you can't just steep yourself in the hell.
You have to have some fun. You have to have
some joy. So we're trying to balance facts, analysis and joy.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean, there's got to be some Like you said,
it does have to be balanced, because sometimes you can
some people choose not to engage at all, and you
can't do that, right, You can't not engage, you can't
not be involved. You have to know what's going on.
But at the same time, it can't be like, you know,
dooms day feeling all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
That's right, en, I mean, and I you know, if
you've ever been to Cuba, So when President Obama briefly
opened the door for you to be able to travel
to Cuba, my husband and I were working on we
were doing some research for a documentary about boxing. And
you really can't do a documentary about boxing unless you
go to Cuba, because Cuba had such a profound influence
on American boxing in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and
(30:56):
so a lot of our research was about Cuba.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So we're like, okay, we'll go. We fined the thing.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
We put our visa as research and we went Cuba
is fascinating because the way that people there respond to
dictatorship because they are under a dictatorship, is they don't
seem continuously depressed. They have these moments of joy. They
have no money, you know, Cuban food is delicious in Miami.
(31:20):
Not so gooding Cuba because they don't have no seasons,
They don't have anything, so you really can't even enjoy
it as a tourism experience. But they find ways to
be joyful. Like some of the knights in the place
where we were staying in Old Havana, they would just
throw a party in the middle of the square and
everyone's out there dancing, playing music. They found ways to
have joy because human beings cannot live in misery forever.
(31:42):
You know, even if you read Anne Frank's diaries, there's
the ways in which she was like being silly and
finding ways to amuse herself. It's like we as a people,
we will break down and be destroyed as humans if
we're just constantly miserable. And the Trump regime is both
terrifying but alsoridiculous, right, Like it's it's as stupid.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
In other countries, like when you travel and people are like,
who am because you know, we see how to Tourism
is down. People are not trying to come here. Yeah,
and so it's going to affect us so much totally, like.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Totally, I mean, And the thing is what he's going
to do, And I think this is the reason that
this dictatorship won't last and won't succeed. Tourism is crashing.
People are not showing up to their farm jobs. So
it's going to hurt the farm industry. It's going to
make food expensives, construction more. Companies are not seeing their
workers show up.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
And housings are already not affordable.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Not affordable, and so it's going to get even worse
because this country relies on the labor of undocumented people
and we're about to find out what it looks like
when they don't show up to work. It's going to
hurt all of us. It's gonna hurt everybody, including a
lot of people who voted for him.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well you know what they say, FAFO.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Listen, The find out phase is always the hardest, but
it must come because you must find out.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You know, you ask for it, this is what you got.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
What do you think when you see people like crying
on social media that voted for Trump, but now family
members are getting deported and things like that are happening
because I see a lot of people being like, what
y'all want from the store, you know, and the comments
and things like that. But I also feel like it
tends to be very divisive, yes at a time when
it does affect not just you know, less people Atlanta's,
(33:17):
but it does affect us too.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
It affects everyone, And when I see that, I get
it on the one hand, but I think what you
have to realize is that they are just first. And
whenever this country has persecuted anyone, they always come back
to the Blacks. They always come back to the Jews,
always come back to the Muslims. You can laugh at
it if you want to, but he said he's coming
(33:39):
for the homegrowns, and the homegrowns means black people. And
so it's I feel sorry for the people getting deported,
regardless of how their family members voted, because I know
they themselves cannot vote and did not vote for this.
They are just here trying to live the same dream
my parents came here to live, the same American dream
my mother got to live to see her daughter, you know,
(34:00):
grow up and go to Harvard and be on TV
like she could have never even imagined that. She unfortunately
didn't live to see it, but she could have never
imagined it in one generation. Or Barack Obama's father, you know,
the idea that his baby boy would become president of
the United States. It's something really that could only happen
in the United States. And so there is a kernel
of something good here and Trump is trying to destroy it.
(34:21):
He's burning down this village because this village would not
give his warmth, give him its warmth. And so I
think that laughing at people who are the subjects of
a fascist dictator, it's only cute until you're the one
being dragged off into this, you know, dragged off into
the van, and you will be. He'll come for everyone.
(34:41):
He came for elon his paymaster. He'll come for all
of his maga people, all those people who think that
he's for them and that he loves them and he
cares about them. He doesn't care about any of them.
He'll burn it all down, including the people who love him.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And it feel good to say exactly what you want, yes, ma'am.
It showed it what's the next book going to be about?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
So I am working on a book that is actually
about America turning two fifty and what a fascinating two
hundred and fifty years that has been.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
M M cannot wait to see it.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Maybe Jump can have a parade for his birthday celebrating
that as well.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
By the way, I have a working theory that part
of the reason that he's so pissy and bombing Iran
is that parade with a joke.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And he is mad about it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I saw you kept being like, now but post a
little squeaky tank going down the block again one more time.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I'm like, It's the only memory I will have of
that parade, the little squeaks.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
All right, Well, listen joy Henry, Thank you so much,
and take care of congratulations.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Just so you know, I'm on your seb stack.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm subscribed so I can pay attention to everything that
you have going on and support you because a lot
of people were upset when that happened. But I am
excited for you to see your own platform and how
this is all going to turn out. But it's important
that everybody goes out and supports too.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Thank you very much, and I'm a big support of yours.
I was just telling my team.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I was like, listen, I'm going in there, and I'm
getting ready because this sister she's gonna in it view you, Okay,
she's gonna be prepared, and I'm like, let me get
ready because you are always prepared, a brilliant interviewer.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Thank you. That was so nice. All Right, I appreciate it.
You got to come back.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I need I need you.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
We need you. It's way up, way up.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Its way up with Angela Yee, And what a day
for you to be here today, Joyne Reid is here
with me.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's so good to be here, Angela.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yesterday I was saying to myself, man, there is so
much going on right now, and how appropriate that Joyanne
Read is going to be here because you are the
person that was like the go to person to watch
on the news, but now you're the go to person
to watch with your very own show. So congratulations on
the Joyread Show.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm like so excited about how well it's doing and
how many people are vibing with it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It makes me feel good.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Over a million people have viewed it like in the
first you know, one week and the first week that's huge.
That has to feel good because no matter what, when
you start something new that's yours, you always are like
a little nervous, like what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
How will people receive this?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I was totally nervous. I was in a complete, like
one week panic attack. I mean because every day it's
a different level of intensity because I don't have a
fifteen person staff and a you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Know, thirty person crew.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I don't have all of the resource versus it's you know,
my husband or mine. We have a production company, our
girl Adrian or small group. We were sort of a.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Like little band of determined people.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know. It's half a dozen people as opposed to
you know, fifty people, and so it's all on us,
and so the pressure is all on you know, it's
on us. And so when we launched it, we were
betting on ourselves, you know. And it just makes me
feel good that so many of my people, my folks,
are still here for me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's interesting because it also gives you the opportunity to
kind of say what you want to say.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I remember you talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Like your tweets were a big problem just tweeting how
you know, just expressing things, and that was something that
you were getting cause about.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But now you can do what you want.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I can do what I want.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Sometimes you need that push, though, to get that freedom.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So I think sometimes things that you look at as
a negative are just God saying no, you need to
do this in a different way and you need to
be your authentic self. And look, I mean, they really
did hate my tweets and my social media. They hated
my Instagram. They would literally, I mean I would literally
get call in for liking a post, not reposting it,
just hitting a like on something. I'm like, you guys
are policing me that seriously, that you're looking at what
(02:07):
I'm liking and I'm not liking like I mean, we've
got Nazism happening in America, I'm not liking that. I mean,
if I knew that somebody was liking like a Nazi
post or like a you know, super racist post something
like that, that would be one thing.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But these were just.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Posts about Gaza. These were just posts about things that
were happening in the world. These were just posts about
Trump or you know, or liking a post that was
mocking him.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
We can't mock the president of the United.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
States, the free country. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He's posted about you, and he's sam and I listen,
I always say it's a compliment if he has some
negative things to say about you, because he basically was
saying you're not a star, you're not this, you're not that.
I remember that too, and I was like, Okay, good,
because the last thing you want is for Trump to
be like I really like her, right.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And also, Donald Trump, I'm saying to myself, I'm like,
if you were logical about this, Donald, you wouldn't do it.
Because what you've done is you've told the whole world
and all your two hundred and fifty million followers that
you know who I am. You're not supposed to if
I'm untalented, unimportant.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why do you know who I am? And why do
you know my Twitter handle?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, absolutely, And you know, I know that the trolls
have been coming. But what I love that you did
is you've turned it around and said, look, you can
watch my stuff for free, but if you want to
leave a comment, you got to pay to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So the trolls have to pay if they want to
leave a comment.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
That's correct, and you can feel free to troll. It will,
but it will cost you eight dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now, tell me about this whole process, because no matter
what I know, you know, there could be some misconceptions
about things that happened.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I saw Steven A.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Smith went and did this whole thing where he complimented you,
but then at the same time he was like, your
ratings went down, you know, forty seven percent, and no
matter what, and after the election, and da da da
da da.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So what did you think when you saw that?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
First of all, I just did the math. Steven A.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Smith is very successful at ESPN, But the last I checked,
it's about half a million people watch that show. I
had double that on a bad day at MSNBC. So
if you're going to talk numbers, let's talk all the numbers,
including your own, Stephen. And the second thing I would
say is, yes, we went down by about forty six
percent at on the readout on my show, the network
(04:16):
overall went down about fifty one percent. Okay, So we
had just had a ratings meeting saying after the twenty
twenty twenty four election, we were riding high. I mean
there were nights we had one point seven million people
watching just one night of our program because people were
high on Kamala. So in the months leading into the election,
everyone was watching MSNBC. We were going live to her events.
(04:37):
You know, when Megan these Statue was performing, we were live.
Nicole Wallace was getting nearly two million people watching. That's
Rachel Maddow numbers right, And Rachel Matta was in the
two millions. Like these numbers were huge that we were
getting leading into the election because I think the Democratic
base was on a high, and MSNBC is their channel.
As soon as Kamala Harris was declared not the winner
(04:57):
of that election, the bottom dropped out of all cable
news ratings other than Fox. Fox ratings swored CNN, which
had already been in the toilet. Their ratings were horrible.
They didn't have a single show with a million viewers
on it, and this had been for over a year,
ever since they did that town hall with Trump. It
really angered their audience and they really had not come back,
and so they didn't have many bright spots on there show.
(05:18):
Even Anderson Cooper didn't have a million people watching. And
MSNBC was now routinely beating them. We were beating them
every night. We were beating them even in the demo
most nights. So the thing about we have to understand
about cable news ratings is there's the big number. There's
the total number. We called the P two, and that's
how many people totally are watching. So it would be
like for me, you know, on a good night, you know,
post election, one million, one point one million at Fox,
(05:41):
their P two is like two million. It's like three million,
you know, like three million people watching. Now, you know,
in a country of three hundred fifty million people, it's
not that many people, but it's a lot for news.
Rachel mattaw on a good Night would get two million
people watching, but in the demo, of their six hundred
thousand people watching a show on CNN, a third of that,
Joe would be in the demo. So their strength was
(06:02):
in the money demo people who were twenty nine to
fifty four in that demo. CNN was still competitive, but
not in the big number. After the election was over,
we were still either matching or defeating our person that
we were up against in the CNN ratings in the demo,
and we were crushing them in the total number.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right for an entire matters.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's why I wanted to ask you about that, because
I remember that a lot of people did come to
your defense and it was a shocking move, I think
for all of us, and I mean most certainly for
you more than anybody, you know, because I was like,
that is as far as what I watched on television.
You know, you're one of the people that I'm going
to tune in for, and I know a lot of
people were. I told you right before we said I
(06:44):
saw when Plies had been posting you, and he was like,
you know, tell Joyanne Reid. I said, keep fighting that
good fight. And you know, he's always in support of you,
and he's posted you numerous times.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It's a badge of honor.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I'm a super fan of Flies, and when he the
first time he reposted me, I was like, okay. But
between that and like, you know, anytime that's somebody that
I'm a big fan of, you know, is like reposting me,
I'm like, you know what, I can retire.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I love Flies. I think he's great.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
All right, now, let's talk about what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
This is why I'm so glad you're here, because this
is what I'll be watching you to find out about.
So we're watching everything that's happening right now right with
Donald Trump, and New York City is on high alert.
A lot of places are on high alert right now
because we don't know what's about to happen. And so
can you just kind of break down for me as
far as Donald Trump bombing three different places in Iran
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where there were I guess nuclear bases, and then now
they're firing back at some of the US bases in
the Middle East. Can you just tell us what's going
on in Layman's terms.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Yeah, I mean, basically, we launched an unprovoked attack on
a country that had not attacked us.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
To be very much like we did and.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Down Hump had said there'd be no wars and corect Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He ran for officing he would not start stupid wars.
He criticized George W. Bush for the Iraq War. He
and I agreed on that. Although he was four before
he was against it, but he eventually was against the
Iraq War. He said that when he if he became
president again, not only would he end the stupid foreign
wars we were in, but he would not start another one.
A lot of people voted for Trump because they thought
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he was the peace candidate. There were a lot of
Muslims who voted for him over Kamala Harris because they
said he would bring peace to the Middle East, specifically.
So Donald Trump comes into office claiming to be the
peace candidate, pushing actually to get a Nobel Peace Prize
because he said he would end the Ukraine War.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He didn't do that. Then he said that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
He would turn the Middle East into a resort. It
would be so peaceful and wonderful, everyone would want to
build hotels on Gaza on the Gaza Strip because he
would end that war. He didn't do that. Literally two
weeks ago, Donald Trump said that he wanted to give
diplomacy a chance with Iran because all of the West,
the Western world, believes Iran does not have a right
to have nuclear weapons. There used to be a deal
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that was going to stop them from getting nuclear weapons.
Barack Obama signed it beaming at in Yahoo, who was
the Prime Minister of Israel for fifteen years running. He
didn't want that deal done. Obama did it anyway. Trump
came into office, undid it. Joe Biden came into office,
did not put it back in. So now Iran was freedom.
You enrich uranium, and you have to enrich uranium to
a certain point where you can actually take it from
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being just something that can power your energy grid to
something that can make a weapon. And the goal of
the Western world is to stop Iran from getting to
that weapons grade. They don't mind if they have it
just to power their lights, But Iran has never said
they wanted it to be weapons grade. They need to
power their country. They're an oil rich country that should
be independent in terms of generating electricity. So they want
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nuclear energy and they've never said they wanted nukes, and
there's no proof that they've been trying to get nukes,
but beibing at in Yahoo, the leader of Israel is
determined to make sure that not only do they not
get nukes, but that they new to them as a power.
They don't want Iran to be a powerful country in
that region because they want to be the big dog
in the region. Been trying to get president after president
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after US president to get into a war to destroy Iron.
No president was sucker enough to debate until Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I saw a Nanaya who praising course Donald Trump for this,
And so now what does this mean for us? Because
as we're thinking about this as like chess, obviously everything
that you do has multiple reactions, and I see Russia
saying that no matter what, there's supportive not of us
at all.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So what does this mean now for the United States?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I saw Donald Trump, you know, posting about making sure
that we don't that the price of oil doesn't go
up and to keep the price like he can really right,
you know, can have any control over that. But what
now does that mean for us, like what type of danger?
Because this is the main thing I'm trying to figure
out as I'm seeing all these things. I was in Detroit,
I traveled back home. We're in New York, you know,
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we're near Times Square, and I really think about these things,
like is this something that I need to.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Make sure that I'm prepared? Like should I not be here?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I just, you know, I don't want to be in
a state of panic, but I was when I saw
all this this transpiring.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, the irony is New York voted very decisively
against Donald Trump. But New York City is the most
iconic city in America, and when people want to commit
terrorist acts, they tend to go to the iconic cities,
and all the iconic cities are Blue City, San Francisco,
New Orleans, New York City, Washington, D C. And so unfortunately,
the very people who voted not to have Donald Trump
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be president are the most vulnerable if Iran decides to
use one of its proxy forces. So despite them having
their own army and air force and Navy, etc. They
financially control and prop up a group of terrorist organizations.
Hez Belah, the militant wing of Hamas. They get money
from them, and they use them in different countries in
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order to influence politics locally. But they also have the
ability to use those forces against us because we have
military forces station all over the Middle East. And if
they decide they wanted to bomb one and cut in Katar,
for instance, or bomb one in you know, Israel or
somewhere else, our troops are vulnerable, which is.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What they have been doing right now.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, see this is and by the way, it's not
even just bombing our forces in the Middle East, if
they really I mean when Osama bin lad and decide
to wage war against the United States, he did it
by attacking the most iconic buildings he can find, the
World Trade Center, the Pentagon. And I worry being in
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if I would be worried if I were in New
York that if they decide to send a message, and
send a message not just by attacking our troops and
have one of their proxies attack an iconic city. There
is no city more iconic than New York City.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's exactly why I'm like, I'm right here, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And then as far as congressional approval, because I see
that going, that debate going back and forth, like what's
he supposed to get a congression approval? But then I
see people saying and it's hard because you get all
these different messages and I don't know what's true and
what's not. And so then I see them tell about
Barack Obama and he didn't get congressional approval when it
was time to bomb, Like, what is going on? Was
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he supposed to get congressional approval or is this something
that the president has the authority? Well, clearly, you know,
it doesn't really matter if he has the authority to
do something or not if he's not going to abide
by the rules.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And that's the thing is that the Congress of the
United States has become so weak, not just recently but
over the course of decades. We have not declared war
on another country since World War Two, when we declared
war on Japan, not on Germany, but for on Japan
because they bombed Pearl Harbor and so then we declared
war on Japan. Since then, the US has engaged in
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multiple wars Korea, Vietnam, Iraq twice when we kicked them
out of Kuwait and then went and invaded and occupied them.
And now this war none of them was declared. When
Barack Obama bombed Libya to kill Moremar Kadaffi, their leader,
there was no war declared against Libya, but for sure
bombing Libya was an act of war. When Donald Trump
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bombed and killed a man named Sulimani in Iran by
dropping a bomb on him inside of a foreign nation,
that was an act of war, but we didn't treat
it like a war. We've made it so routine for
American presidents to attack foreign nations in acts of war
but not call it a war, call it a special
military operation, or whatever we call it. We've embolden presidents.
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It's not just Trump. There's something wrong with our system
when you can do an act of war against the
country and not call it a war.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
They do it all the time. He isn't the first.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And besides just that, it does feel like Trump has
been embolded and given power to do a lot of
things that previously it's like, okay, there's a system in
place of checks and balances that someone can't just do
whatever it is that they want to do, and rolling
back a lot of things that in particular, it shows
me that he wants to make sure that black and
brown people continue to be oppressed. Women continue to be oppressed,
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but somehow people don't see it that way.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Confusing to me because I feel like these are like
specif And I know you have not been a fan
of Donald tup since the Central Park five, right, which
you've been very clear on, and I agree with that.
That's something that he's still to this day will not
admit that he was.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Seeing him for defamation because he won't stop.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And the fact that people think they have no rationality,
like you ruin these people's lives here, you know, and
now yes, fortunately you know people, but it's still something
that the trauma from that is never going to be
a race from their childhood.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And there's people who still.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Think that they did something wrong and you know it's
already been.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
You know, these were fourteen and fifteen year old boys
and they spent up to thirteen years in prison for
something they did not do. They were called rapists, gang rapists.
People wanted to kill them, and Donald Trump wanted to
kill them. He put an ad.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I remember that ad. I remember his own money. He
had nothing to do with nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Nothing to do with it. And so the reality is
since I have no use for him. Didn't watch the Pants,
no interest because I think he's a criminal. I think
he's a fiend, and I think he's a racist, and so,
you know, I don't care that people like him on
The Apprentice.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
That also doesn't make him qualify to be president of
the United States. And he's shown malignant hatred of black
people his whole life. People like, no, he didn't. He
used to get awards from the NAACP. Yeah, because it
was good for his business to pretend to like black people.
You know, sure he likes boxers, but he thinks that
our worth is confined to athletics. Donald Trump, of course,
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loved being around boxers because to him, we're thoroughbreds. We're
supposed to run, jump, playball, and box. Other than that,
we're not to do anything. I did a book on Trump.
I interviewed a lot of people who know him. He
didn't want black people quote unquote counting his money. He
only wanted Jewish people counting his money, which is also
defaming Jewish people. He did not want black people in
the front office of his buildings so that they would
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be visible when people walked in. He believed all the
visible people at his businesses needed to be white. He
hired on documented immigrants, most of them were brown. He
hired lots of people who were brown. The guy who
took the fall for the document theft at mar Lago
is from Guam.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So he loves having brown people around, but he thinks
they're flunkies. He thinks they're fall guys, and he doesn't
want them to be seen by the public. He wants
white people to be visible. Look at his administration.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's almost qualify people that are loyal to him and
white and white.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
And his purpose is that he thinks that the United
States was better in a time in the nineteen fifties
when anyone powerful was a white man. So he's created
and look at when he walked out and gave his
announcement about this war, it was Marco Rubio jd vance
him and Marco Rubio, who I think in his mind
might be a white guy as well, even though he's okay,
I mean, but it's like, the purpose is he that's
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the visual he wants, right, He's like, it's not even
just me, this is my army of conservative white men,
and this is the way America should look, this is
the way it should feel, and we should exert power
over brown people with this look.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And he's clear about that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What did you think did you think that him and
Elon Musk would fall out for a period of time
the way that they did, Because I had thought that
as soon as he announced, you know, and they were
so chummy, I was like, this is probably not gonna end.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Well, yeah, I didn't either, because these are two egoistical, needy,
seventh grade girls who were never going to be able
to live in the same locker room for long because
they both want to be president. They both want to
be the boss. They both want the attention, and they're
both attention hogs, and so I thought and eventually they
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were going to get on each other's nerves. But they
also need each other. And to me, I always said, look.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
He wants those contracts, you know, he wants to make
share financially, everything is good. He wants the power that
Donald Trump can afford. Donald Trump loves people with money
or with money.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And so at the end of the day, I don't
care if they don't personally get along. They still want
the same things, right, They both want to get rid
of DEI. They both don't believe black people should be pilots.
They both don't believe black people should be military leaders.
They both don't believe women should have freedom over their
own bodies. They think they should be baby machines. They
think they should shut the hell up and make them
a sandwich. They agree on all the things are important
to me. So if they're fighting individually, I don't care.
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They don't get along for now, they get along tomorrow.
They're still both getting rich off of us.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
What do you think about elections going on right now?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Like I know in New York we have a big
one for the primaries, Yeah, for you know who's gonna
represent us in the for the Democrats, for mayor actually tomorrow.
I gotta vote tomorrow because that's the last day that
I can vote. But it feels like a lot of
what people are talking about is Trump, which kind of
sucks because I feel like we're not talking about things
that we need to do to be able to move forward.
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I feel like a lot of this is based around
conversations or what are we doing about this president? And
then there are really important conversations like about ice and
immigration and really scary things that are happening in this country.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, And I think that the challenge with just keeping
it local is, you know, the New York's the New
York metro area in terms of its GDP has a
larger GDP than Canada. So if you do the metro
area that goes from Jersey City to New York City
to Connecticut to was it sam for Connecticut, that that
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that metro area, it's it's the d top of Canada.
So if you're the mayor of New York City, you're
essentially the mayor of a nation state. You're like the
president of a nation state. New York City could be
its own country in terms of its economic power, and
so you have to essentially have a global view and
a national view to be the New York City mayor.
And you saw what it looks like when that fails.
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Eric Adams got led around like a donkey by Donald
Trump because he's his corruption set him up to be
played by the President, and he gave in on some
really important things that make New York New York. My
parents are immigrants. They came here as immigrants. They came
to New York. The idea that you can be rounded
up at home depot in New York, that you could
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go to your immigration hearing and have ice waiting for you,
that you could be dragged off the streets of New
York for writing an op ed that New York would
become like the center of a fascist takeover.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Soils when you're scared to go to school, correct, there's
schools that are like a lot of the kids aren't
coming in because they don't know what's going to happen, and.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
They don't know if their parents will be there when
they get home. Can you imagine being a kid right
now in the Bronx and wondering if when you get
home your mom, your dad, or your abuela will be there,
because they might get dragged off and you'll never see
them again. That should not be happening in New York,
sanctuary city, in a sanctuary state, it shouldn't be happening.
But it's happening here because Trump wants to punish here
because this is the city that rejected him. It's the
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city that he wanted to be the king of and
they wouldn't let him. It's the city that keeps rejecting
him in terms of elections. It's where he was born
and raised, and he thinks that he should be popular
and loved here and he's not, and he's deciding to
punish these blue cities because they hate him. And so
I think, to be the mayor of New York City,
you are almost the president of a country that has
to fight Trump. But at the same time, you know,
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we had Zohr Mamdani on the show on The Joy
Reid Show, and he talked a lot about the stuff
he wants to do that is local because he knows
that he has to balance fighting Trump on immigration, letting
people have the freedom to ride and off d or
go to home depot and not get snatched, but at
the same time, make it so people can afford to
pay rent here, make it so people can afford to
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live here, because people are leaving because they can't afford
to be in this great city. So he had a balance,
and I think Brad Lander we also interviewed same thing.
He's like, on the one hand, I can't let this
become like Nazi Germany. But on the other hand, we
gotta make sure people can eat and be afford to
ride the subway and be afford to be safe on
the subway.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
We got to do the basics.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
What do you think about Cuomo also running good?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
God help us Jesus. I was thinking this of me
the other day.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
New York is like, it's like a girlfriend that you
have that meets the most amazing men all the time
and goes right back in dates the asshole every day
in time.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
New York is like that girl who.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
They're like, oh my god, this guy was so good
to me, took me out, we had a great time.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Or are you gonna go out with the band now?
I'm gonna go out with Andrew Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I mean, I see it that they're saying that mom
Donnie is actually doing better than Cuomo so far.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So I hope.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So what they're saying.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
The history of New York is like the other David Dinkins,
Damn new York.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It elects the worst people. What is happening?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I want to ask you? What have you learned from like?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Cause I know you know, when you look back in
things in retrospect, it's different when you're in it. But
now that you look back on your time at MSNBC,
what are some things you would say you learned about
yourself and decisions.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I definitely learned and by the way, I can talk
about New York like that because I'm from Brooklyn, So
don't don't come at me.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Y'all out Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
We can say, well, we've on Okay, use flat Bush.
The biggest thing I learned, and I thought about this
a lot since I left there. I learned that I
was all the way in the bubble, and that I
had encased myself in the bubble and I was not
seeing outside the bubble.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I am.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I pride myself on being a pretty savvy political analyst,
and I'm pretty clear eyed most of the time. But
I was not clear eyed going into twenty twenty four
because I was allowing the things I was seeing on
my MSNBC screen convinced me that that was the world
I was living in, Okay, and I wasn't seeing the anger.
Pece people had the real deep anger at the Democratic
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Party on an existential level that would make them reject
Kamala Harris. I thought, yeah, they're angry at Biden. I
didn't understand the deep anger was for the party itself
and its failures, especially on Gaza. I didn't see that
people were literally looking at Trump, not as the fool
that I was portraying him as and that I saw,
and that I could see in the uncut videos of
him talking that it seemed clear to me. But all
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they were seeing was him as a paycheck, right, they
were seeing him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
As a check and also like a savior.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And a savior he was great at marketing himself correct
specific way.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And I thought to myself, a million people died because
of this dude. He was responsible for a million dead Americans.
No one's gonna lect him again. In my mind, I'm like,
they're never going to put him back again. They would
be crazy to do that. But people looked past the deaths.
They looked past their grandma's dying alone with an iPad.
They looked past his foolishness, his dumb foreign policy, his
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treacherousness on Ukraine, all the things that we thought were important,
and all they saw with survival. And then for them,
he was their key to survival, and the Democrats were
their key, were the key to just.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The same old shit.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
And if you give people the choice between ugly survival
and sort of like safe demise, they'll take ugly survival.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right at least they feel like they have a chance somehow,
some way, do you consider yourself an activist because I
see people saying she is not a journalist, she's an activist,
Like you can't be both.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Right, I consider myself an activist journalist. In the frame
of Ida b Wells, Ida b Wells was a whole journalist.
She was uncovering lynchings that the New York Times wasn't,
uncovering the fact behind lynchings that the Chicago Tribune was missing.
She was picking up things that major national journalists could
not figure out. And she was doing that as an
activist and a journalist. And I think that, particularly in
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a time of autocracy and fascism, if you're not an
activist journalist, you're not doing it right.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's right, can you?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I mean, I know on MSNBC, some things are we're
opinionated and it's not just straight reporting because people want
that right, they also want to hear that it does
help you sometimes look at things from a different point
of view, and so I think that's also a distinction
that you've had to make so that people can understand
sometimes it isn't just straight reporting.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well, it's so the difference between us and Fox is
Fox or just I don't even know if it's their opinions.
They're just giving you Trump's opinion. They're doing whatever they
think that Trump voters will want to hear, right, And
they're doing that even when they paid had to pay
seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars in a lawsuit
because they knew the election wasn't stolen. They're the ones
who called it first, but they lied to their audience
because they know their audience needs the dopamine. They need
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the drug of Trump is right.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Trump is right. Trump is right, even if they don't
believe it.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I mean, Tucker Carlson says I love Trump, but he
was texting I hate Trump.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I hate him existentially.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I don't know which is true, because he'll say whichever
thing is the most important.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
At the time, right that paycheck, keep that paycheck.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Whereas at MSNBC, we had a standards department and we
weren't just yapping. We actually were And then now we
were giving analysis and it was fact based based on facts,
based on facts. So we couldn't just get up and lie.
We weren't allowed. And I'll give you a perfect example.
The night that Biden had his very disastrous debate. Now
we knew what we saw right, and we could have
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come out there and been like he did great, which
is what his surrogates did, right. Kam Lhers came out
and said he was fine. Gavin News came out and
said he was fine. But they were surrogates. Their job
was to say he was fine. And it was brilliantly done.
And some of our analysis was, sure, he didn't seem great,
but the other side is a Nazi. That's also a
valid point of view. He didn't seem like he was okay,
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but the other side bringing fast choosing right. But we
were honest with our audience to the point where we
were getting beat up. Nicole Holson and I were talking
about were like we were getting the crap kicked out
of us on social media by our fans, by people
who love MSNBC because we were not carrying water for
Biden and we just weren't going to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know, It's different because I feel like when it
comes to Republicans, they will do that.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
They will do that, yeah, and they know what they see.
Trump doesn't make no sense. Trump speaks and all I
hear and then but until they edit it and chop
that thing up, you do not I promise you will
not understand anything he says. I challenge people when Donald
Trump does a press conference or anything, don't listen to it,
read it, go back and get the transcript. You will
not understand what he's saying. His brain don't work good.
And y'all know it don't work good. You know that
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he is sundowning, you know it. But they fix him
and they make him sound coherent.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
When he gave his speech about invading.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean bombing and Ron, he said, and you know,
you know a lot of people didn't know those bombs
could do it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Those bombs really did it. They did the thing, and
then the bombs did it and they know it.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And he's saying so I'm like, like, what, you're supposed
to be serious, and then he.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Goes, yeah, it's like a journalist's dream, but at the
same time, it's a nightmare because it's real life.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
He's an idiot.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, my Michael Wolfe was on our show. He
said he's an idiot savant and that's not a compliment.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, it's not. And I love that you had Amber
reffing on the first episode.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I thought was that felt very like, Okay, this is
a great way to kick things off.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
It was because she was serious about, you know, surviving
as a comedian in an autocratic system, and she's hilarious
and funny.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
But we didn't want to come in just like heavy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
We were like, let's at least make you laugh a
little bit, because you have to laugh at this or
you're just gonna cry.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, I want to ask you, so what can we
expect as we're watching this? Because this is now, you
have the freedom to do whatever it is. And I
know on Fridays it's a good freestyle Friday, so people
can engage, ask questions, get those answers. But can you
just tell me, like what is your goal or what
would be your dream?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
If?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Like people, if you could break it down for this
is what my show is about.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
What my show is about, I would say, is trying
to make the ununderstandable mess that's happening in the world understandable,
right and bite size so you can get it, so
you can get it and move on with your life.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I want to make the horrible things that are happening
digestible so that we can understand what we're dealing with.
Because we got we have to face it. But also
I think you can't just steep yourself in the hell.
You have to have some fun. You have to have
some joy. So we're trying to balance facts, analysis and joy.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean, there's got to be some Like you said,
it does have to be balanced, because sometimes you can
some people choose not to engage at all, and you
can't do that, right, You can't not engage, you can't
not be involved. You have to know what's going on.
But at the same time, it can't be like, you know,
dooms day feeling all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
That's right, en, I mean, and I you know, if
you've ever been to Cuba, So when President Obama briefly
opened the door for you to be able to travel
to Cuba, my husband and I were working on we
were doing some research for a documentary about boxing. And
you really can't do a documentary about boxing unless you
go to Cuba, because Cuba had such a profound influence
on American boxing in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and
(30:56):
so a lot of our research was about Cuba.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So we're like, okay, we'll go. We fined the thing.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
We put our visa as research and we went Cuba
is fascinating because the way that people there respond to
dictatorship because they are under a dictatorship, is they don't
seem continuously depressed. They have these moments of joy. They
have no money, you know, Cuban food is delicious in Miami.
(31:20):
Not so gooding Cuba because they don't have no seasons,
They don't have anything, so you really can't even enjoy
it as a tourism experience. But they find ways to
be joyful. Like some of the knights in the place
where we were staying in Old Havana, they would just
throw a party in the middle of the square and
everyone's out there dancing, playing music. They found ways to
have joy because human beings cannot live in misery forever.
(31:42):
You know, even if you read Anne Frank's diaries, there's
the ways in which she was like being silly and
finding ways to amuse herself. It's like we as a people,
we will break down and be destroyed as humans if
we're just constantly miserable. And the Trump regime is both
terrifying but alsoridiculous, right, Like it's it's as stupid.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
In other countries, like when you travel and people are like,
who am because you know, we see how to Tourism
is down. People are not trying to come here. Yeah,
and so it's going to affect us so much totally, like.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Totally, I mean, And the thing is what he's going
to do, And I think this is the reason that
this dictatorship won't last and won't succeed. Tourism is crashing.
People are not showing up to their farm jobs. So
it's going to hurt the farm industry. It's going to
make food expensives, construction more. Companies are not seeing their
workers show up.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
And housings are already not affordable.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Not affordable, and so it's going to get even worse
because this country relies on the labor of undocumented people
and we're about to find out what it looks like
when they don't show up to work. It's going to
hurt all of us. It's gonna hurt everybody, including a
lot of people who voted for him.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well you know what they say, FAFO.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Listen, The find out phase is always the hardest, but
it must come because you must find out.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You know, you ask for it, this is what you got.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
What do you think when you see people like crying
on social media that voted for Trump, but now family
members are getting deported and things like that are happening
because I see a lot of people being like, what
y'all want from the store, you know, and the comments
and things like that. But I also feel like it
tends to be very divisive, yes at a time when
it does affect not just you know, less people Atlanta's,
(33:17):
but it does affect us too.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
It affects everyone, And when I see that, I get
it on the one hand, but I think what you
have to realize is that they are just first. And
whenever this country has persecuted anyone, they always come back
to the Blacks. They always come back to the Jews,
always come back to the Muslims. You can laugh at
it if you want to, but he said he's coming
(33:39):
for the homegrowns, and the homegrowns means black people. And
so it's I feel sorry for the people getting deported,
regardless of how their family members voted, because I know
they themselves cannot vote and did not vote for this.
They are just here trying to live the same dream
my parents came here to live, the same American dream
my mother got to live to see her daughter, you know,
(34:00):
grow up and go to Harvard and be on TV
like she could have never even imagined that. She unfortunately
didn't live to see it, but she could have never
imagined it in one generation. Or Barack Obama's father, you know,
the idea that his baby boy would become president of
the United States. It's something really that could only happen
in the United States. And so there is a kernel
of something good here and Trump is trying to destroy it.
(34:21):
He's burning down this village because this village would not
give his warmth, give him its warmth. And so I
think that laughing at people who are the subjects of
a fascist dictator, it's only cute until you're the one
being dragged off into this, you know, dragged off into
the van, and you will be. He'll come for everyone.
(34:41):
He came for elon his paymaster. He'll come for all
of his maga people, all those people who think that
he's for them and that he loves them and he
cares about them. He doesn't care about any of them.
He'll burn it all down, including the people who love him.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And it feel good to say exactly what you want, yes, ma'am.
It showed it what's the next book going to be about?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
So I am working on a book that is actually
about America turning two fifty and what a fascinating two
hundred and fifty years that has been.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
M M cannot wait to see it.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Maybe Jump can have a parade for his birthday celebrating
that as well.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
By the way, I have a working theory that part
of the reason that he's so pissy and bombing Iran
is that parade with a joke.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And he is mad about it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I saw you kept being like, now but post a
little squeaky tank going down the block again one more time.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I'm like, It's the only memory I will have of
that parade, the little squeaks.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
All right, Well, listen joy Henry, Thank you so much,
and take care of congratulations.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Just so you know, I'm on your seb stack.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm subscribed so I can pay attention to everything that
you have going on and support you because a lot
of people were upset when that happened. But I am
excited for you to see your own platform and how
this is all going to turn out. But it's important
that everybody goes out and supports too.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Thank you very much, and I'm a big support of yours.
I was just telling my team.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I was like, listen, I'm going in there, and I'm
getting ready because this sister she's gonna in it view you, Okay,
she's gonna be prepared, and I'm like, let me get
ready because you are always prepared, a brilliant interviewer.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Thank you. That was so nice. All Right, I appreciate it.
You got to come back.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I need I need you.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
We need you. It's way up, way up.
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