April 7, 2026 • 43 mins
Naomi Sharon Opens Up on Music, Love, Drake, Rotterdam Men & Martial Arts + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's ups for Antelage.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My girl Jordy Door is here with me today and
we had Naomi sharing here. Oh this is different for us. Hello,
how are you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm good. Yeah, it's good to be back in New York.
I went to a musical theater show yesterday. Oh would
you say Chicago?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh yeah, and Megan this dallion is coming back today
to the show. So you just.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Look at us. It's cat.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I haven't seen either one. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's really good. You know you should go. Actually, it's
like it's iconic, legendary show.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But if you feel I've seen The Lion King and
I know you did the one the Netherlands and I've
also I also said the Tina Turner play here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, so that's a great one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I actually like going to Broadway. But those are the
two that I haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I had never seen Chicago until my friend was in it,
and that was the reason I went. Still, no, she
hasn't been there for about a year now. I haven't
seen Mulan.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Rouge in the show.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I want to see Megan though.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, and the movie was so good too. Yeah, yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Remember that, so you do, but you do have a
theatrical background. And for everybody listening, she's the first woman
signed to OVL Music period period of Obo music. But
you're so talk to me about just kind of growing
up and Rotterdam Am I saying it right, Yeah, okay,
Radadam in the Netherlands and what that was like and
how you got into there there.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Ronaldam is a I mean, it has some similarities to
New York in a small way, like microwave, but it's
it's a city, a really cool city, a lot of
culture there, very diverse. And oh yeah, I was young
and and I grew up in a family with a
lot of like musicians, singers, dancers. So it was kind
(01:58):
of in the blood, in the blood and in the
stars that I was going to do that. And yeah,
pretty young, I started to do musical theater while I
was doing trek and field as well. For a while
I was I thought I was doing the Olympics like
in the future. No, for real, like I was serious
about it. And then I had to make a decision.
And so when I was like fourteen years I decided
(02:20):
to do musical theater.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
What a hard decision to have to make What made
you say that was the way you were going to
sway toward?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think, you know, being an athlete. I have the
utmost respect for athletes. It's a different type of life
you have. It's very restricted, where when you're an artist
you can create it. Yeah, I can be a little
bit more fun, I guess, but it was a hard one.
I cried, like I was actually going to be in
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like the national team, so it was yeah. I was.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Also I think, you don't know what's going to happen.
It's kind of like you were going to be in
the national team, so you knew that could happen, but
then this was more of a risk.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah it was. Yeah, I mean I don't know, Like
I was very determined and I knew from a young
age and what I wanted to do was what I
was going to do. And I think when you're younger,
you're a little bit more like, yeah, I'm going to
do that, So when you're getting older, you get a
little insecure and whatever. But at that age, I was like,
(03:27):
all right, well I'll just you know, become a singer.
And then I did, thank you, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You have such a powerful voice too, and I can't
even think. When Jordan and I were talking, I was like,
who could I even because you know how whenever you're
a singer and people you know reminds me of X,
Y and Z, there's not a lot that I could say.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
No. Yeah, I mean it's low register, so I think
a lot of people always you know, have their their
say and like there, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, that's a I mean, that's a good thing right
now signing to OVO And I know, I know you've
probably told this story a million times, but even how
that happened because Drake reached out to you personally on
the DM, Yeah, did you think it was real? Because
you know, sometimes you get reached out to and people
are like I always hear stories again, but being like,
oh that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I yeah, well, I was like, you know, the first
thing he said was about the music and that he
was going to listen to it, and I was like,
all right, you know, let's see, he must be so busy.
So but he did. He came back to me and
that followed up with like a meeting with like the
whole team, and then I was like, okay, yeah, this
is legit, Like I want to do this and I think,
(04:46):
you know, it's it's great to have something behind you
that can push you in a direction or whatever. I
was already doing so much by myself though, like I
didn't have a label, didn't have management at the beginning, well,
doing so many things myself. But it's always great to
(05:07):
see like people want to support you.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
How did he even see your music to reach out
to say, I want to hear.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think someone send it over to him or something.
I don't know, Like I asked him this, but the
answer was quite fake.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So I would say that having worked in the A
and R department before previously, yeah, A and I just
really love to find people that people aren't bidding over
yet already, and so what they want to do is
find somebody that has super talent that can be a star,
but isn't already.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Like yeah, maybe yeah, I mean he was complimenting me
on like the music that I made, which I have
three songs out, they reached a lot of people though.
It was really interesting because I released that independently.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Were there people like was there other people reaching out
also to Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, no, I've had people reaching out to me.
I've had labels reaching out to me at the time,
and I don't know, this felt felt right, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And what happened in that initial meeting with the whole team.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It was it was kind of like getting to know
them and see how they work. And what I liked
about it is that they kind of like they have
space for their artists to create this own world. And
also they kind of expect you to be someone who
can do it by themselves in a way, you know
what I mean, Like you can't really you have to
(06:30):
rely on your on your own label always, like that's obvious.
But at the same time, you have to be your
own like company, right, It's like it's your business. Yeah,
so you better like put everything in that and make
sure that you get it across the line.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm glad you said that, because sometimes people think that
as an artist, I'm assigned to a label and they'll
do everything and something to work. But I think the
most valuable thing to do is act like you're not signed.
And yeah, they probably appreciated the fact that dependently, yeah,
you are already handling business and making things happen on
your own.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But look, I always, I say always, this one thing
that I think is really important. I think what I
want is I want people to run as hard or
harder than me, Like the pace is fast with me,
Like I want to accomplish something, and I'm always looking for.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Like and you're a teck star, it is definitely like
yeah no, but like I'm definitely always looking for the
next thing to do to reach more audience or like
it's it's an ongoing thing.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You can be lazy, right, So but I then I
need a team behind me that is doing the same thing.
It's it's important to have this cohesiveness with everyone who
is involved, right And I think if you can find
that as an artist, you're good to go. But you
still have to work. You still have to.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Work, and you've been putting into work.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, I saw your performance to the Miss That song
on the Edison Award.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And then the video also came out, So tell me
how that feels to be like on that because that's
a big award show and to be on that stage.
And then I had the video come out, and I
know you've already had out a project and an EP
before that, but it feels like it's.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
No, it's new, It's like it's a new era. I'm
really glad that I'm out of that freaking late extress,
Like I couldn't move with that on stage. I was like,
it looked fine.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Did you have to boil yourself in to get it?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah? So I have to loop myself like it's it's
insane like that right right womb Like it was beautiful,
but like it was so limited and anyway, so I
was like, Okay, we're gonna do this different. Also, I
want to dance like the music that is coming out
soon on the album is much more in that like
up tempo. Yeah, world, I would say, And it was
(08:56):
so fun to do, Like a TV show like that,
I'm addicted to, like the more the better, right Yeah.
But like I think I talked to someone about this
and they were asking me if I like to perform
for like a small crowd or a big crowd, and
I'm like, give me fifty thousand people like tonight, tonight,
I want it. You know it's nice. It's like I
had it with Track and Field as well. If there
(09:17):
were people watching, I would run faster.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, And it's not that I do you get nervous
or do you feel like no?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
The funny thing is that was the first time that
I got nervous because I had to dance and I
haven't been doing that for a long time for the audience,
because I had you know, I did that the musical
theater that I did Tut Turner was insane. Yeah that
was you saw the show.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I saw that. That's Hi and dance energy.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
She was, oh yeah, and just kind of tilted. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
So so that was like the first time I was
I was nervous. But for singing, I'm not nervous, which
is funny. But it has to do with like doing
the linking for like three years for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's kind of like, yeah, you really have had all
the training to be able to do this.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, and I have so much fun. Like it's when
it was over, I was like again, Okay, I want
to do it again. It's fun, Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
A good thing when it's because it is really still
a jab, but it's a jab that you love, yeah,
you know, and it's it's a passing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I probably you probably feel like you want to make
sure you keep that excitement going too, because and.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'm grateful as well, like I'm practicing bad more, you
know what I mean. Like these sometimes these moments are
so like fleeting, you're exhausting, and then you're like all right,
next and right now, I'm like, no, actually, that was
such a beautiful opportunity. Yes, you know, and then I
extend sealed by that and I'm like, okay, you know. Next.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Time I really liked about your song is that I
feel like people mis interpret it, or not misinterpreted, but
think it's automatically like a love song yeah, or missing
someone yeah. But it's like it is that moment where
you know you're in it and you're like, oh my god,
it's about to be over, and you're just enjoying it
and soaking it up so much and that and I
feel like I have a lot of those moments.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I do so reflective and just like like good yeah for.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You, Like I think, no, good for you. Actually, so
many people can do that. They're just like okay, like
onto the next thing. I remember I had my first
billboard here on Times Square and I saw it and
I was like all right, anyways, and I was like what, Yeah,
you just kind of gloss over it. Yeah, can you
do that too? Like the young girl that I once
(11:32):
was that was screaming if that was her real?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that's amazing feeling and yeah, we have to hold
on to that. Yeah, that type of like being just
grateful and thrilled and appreciative and that wow, I can't
believe this moment, right, Yeah, even and you talked about
this so and missed that, and then we're gonna talk
more about the upcoming music too. But yes, Jordan's She's
had a lot of those moments of I think sometimes
(11:55):
people think that women are the ones that can't let
something go right, Like they think that we can't hit
it and.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Quit it funny and.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Be okay with stepping away and being like I'm gonna
miss that, but peace.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think you know what, actually, if we're talking about
like relationships, I think we as women, there's a known
thing when we're in a relationship and we're not happy.
We know that four years prior, and and we try
and try and try and try, and then when it's done,
it's done, and so you don't miss that.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, so we're already getting over it while.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
We like, all right, well that was great, thank you.
So yeah, And I think maybe that's that's also something
that we do in general, because we're like emotional creatures
that maybe in a moment we have this like intense feeling,
but then when it's gone, it's gone because.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
When that window closes, window closes, is not opening back.
I think that for us, we like heal and then
we're able to move on, and men kind of move
on and then they try to hear water and then
they end up coming back because they never really got
over it because they didn't deal with it. Yes, you know,
while we're like crying, eating ice cream, talking to our
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girls depressed.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, and they're like, okay, I'm right, yeah, alright, Now.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I do want to talk about some of the music
that I've had the pleasure of hearing.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh okay, was it ever love Baby?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Because we're tut it right now. Yes, we're talking about
it right now now.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I wrote down a couple of lyrics from it that
I felt like, Wow, I tried to hold my breath,
I try to argue less. Even quiet moments feel like
I'm screaming. And I wanted you to change. When I
tell you what woman hasn't been through that When you're like,
I'm like, you just said, I'm trying, I'm trying, and
then you're screaming even though you're quiet.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And then it's done. Yeah, and then it's done.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I yeah, And I think we do make the mistake
of trying to change.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well, okay, so let's let's be accountable as well, right,
because it's always like the man or like you're the partner,
woman whatever. I think that we choose people from our
like it's a pattern. We what we know. Sorry, I
think I think people in general. I think people in
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general have this because it's like it's a known thing
as human beings do, like what we know. We tend
to attract or we want that again because that's the
only thing we know. And then once you are waking
up from that, you're like, hold on, this is the
fourth person that does this to me. You can't just
blame it all on them. It's like you are doing
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this and you're like, yeah, like me being in a
relationship that I was unhappy and I was staying in
that relationship because I thought I could change someone. It's
not fair to that person.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's a mistake that we make when we think we
can mold somebody. Yeah, but we think they tell us
one thing, but they mean another.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
No, Yeah, they told you exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
How they act.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I just thought those were so power.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's just such a powerful like yeah, and like you said,
accountability is in there also, What what is it about
that you've done that you felt like you've done over
and over again that you had to be accountable for?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Hmmm? I think staying too long when it's done. Yeah,
you know that's not that's not fair to the other
person as well. I think it's because of fear, you know,
of losing someone. It's it's it's comfortable, right, even the
uncomfortable part is kind of like comfortable and can be
(15:37):
addictive in a way.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And how do you know when it's over? Then, like,
how do you know I should have left? What are
some things?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's just it's it's a feeling. I think we all
know this feeling that you're like and then you're gonna
try and repair it. And then what I want to
get better in is not to repair it anymore. Right.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I want to say this though.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I think sometimes people act like if you don't work
on it, you didn't try hard enough. Because there's also
that where people are like, oh you didn't even try.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh you know, there's always people.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You're not twenty years old anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Because I see.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
People holding women account but well, he cheated, but he's
sorry or he did this. But you can't just like
try to work through it. You can't go to therapy,
you can't do X, Y and Z. You can't just
give up. And sometimes as women, we feel like, but
what are you going to do? Go be with somebody
else and do the same thing with a new person.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That's well, there are good people out there. I will
have to realize that that it's not like you're the
ones you're attracting. Is not like the world, right, There
are good people out there and we all have to
learn things. I'm not saying that like I think also
and this speaks to me as well, but like when
you get out of relationship that was toxic, you're like
never again, right, and then your tolerance is low and
(16:56):
you're the way you're communicating with someone is kind of
like hiden it etchy because it's like, nope, we're not
going to do that anymore. Where you still have to
be open to someone that wants to grow with you.
You don't have to settle for like the you know
less than bare minimum, or like someone cheating on you.
And we all have our different like stories and why
(17:17):
we stay with each other, Like, I'm not going to
judge on that, but I do think that you know
what's healthy and what's not right. I'm just not twenty
years old anymore. I want to have a family in
the future, so I'm not going to settle for something
that is just like whatever. Like then you know, I
wish you the best and I'll move on.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What would you say about the guys in Rotterdam because
I've never been there.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's funny, funny, funny, all right, And if you see
this the preface, if you see this, like change your
ways because you know the moment I came here different
in culture, but gentle men not really, it's rare, very rare.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
So what do they like do they don't open doors?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
No, it's like it's very rare. I don't know, Like
maybe again, maybe I was in like a bad environment
or something. I don't want to say every man in Rotterdam, like,
I don't want to say that, But in the Netherlands
it's not really a thing. Where in America you guys
have a lot more like manners. Wow, which is interesting, right,
(18:29):
but no, you do actually.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You do that because I always think Americans are like rude, right,
and that how would think people look at Americans like
we're rude.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, Europeans can be rude too, Like every everyone can
be rude. Yeah, But like I think, I don't know,
just men in general here, I feel like they have
manners more than and especially when they're from like a
region like the South or whatever. Yeah. Son kind of
like it when they're saying men and like yeah, yeah,
(19:02):
I know, ye yes, ma'am. Yeah no, but yeah, it's different.
It's different. But I don't know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm just wondering because I'm like, what is it right?
Damn man like that? You know.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
So we have beautiful people, I would say, we have
beautiful people in the Netherlands or it's diverse, like mixed.
Everyone is mixed, so beautiful, beautiful, special people and you
know they're they're great.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
How is living in la culturally for you?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
It's very different from the Netherlands, but I kind of
I don't mean I can adapt. I do still have
my my my Dutch. Like I think, like I'm down
to earth. I would say, I don't want to disrespect
anyone from LA. I think that native people from l
A are very down to earth. I think that people
that come in there and try to do Yeah. That's
(19:56):
sometimes where I'm like, all right, guys, I know it's
one big network work party. I get it, but like
right now, yeah, right now, I just want to watch
the movie, like we don't have to. I don't know.
Sometimes I lie about what I do because I don't
want to have like, oh I do this and this, what.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Do you say you do? It's a good lie.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's a bad lie because I started to say like
I'm a hairstylist and like that's stupid, Like that's a
good one. Actually, I don't know. I was just like
and now I something. Sometimes I say like, well, I'm like, uh,
I work in like the creative field. That's so I
should say like it t But I don't know. I
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don't want to do that because then they're gonna talk ID.
I'm like, I don't know what's the good thing to say?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
When does if somebody asks you and I'm in between jobs.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Something like that's a good one. Actually, let's let's come
up with this, because.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Like I'm an engineer or something in science. I like no, no, no,
that's that's and then ask you to say something until
beags too much like that that you'd be given away.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh right, dog, my dog, my dog.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, okay, but that's I can I can see that though,
because people say that about La.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now you've been in New York too, What do you
think about New York? Love? Okay?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I love like how people are down to earth here.
It's really similar to Rotterdam, I would say. Okay, mentality
sometimes a little harsh, but I can I can see,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And the men are rude here too a little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think people right here in this city they don't
take like the pool yeah, you know, like there and
I kind of like that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Our patience level is ye, like yeah, it's real.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Also, I think you know, one thing I would say
about this side of the world. I think we in
Europe we have it like, we have a good life.
We don't have to struggle as much as you guys do.
And so sometimes that attitude is also something that I'm like,
I get it, it's fine. I don't think I'm not
going to take it personal.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Like, I get it. You don't have health insurance, right, no.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah. What I do want to say is that the
tipping culture here.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Oh right, because they don't tip.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
But yeah, but it's I guess we sit here.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That's so funny, and you guys don't really have that
as part of.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
No, because people get paid right first.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You once and these women were at the table next
to me and I think they were from like Sweden
or something, they said, and they asked me about tipping
because they they don't tip, so they were asking me,
like what are they they?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I guess they had gotten.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, a crazy bill maybe, or they.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Just didn't understand it, like what am I? I'm like, well,
we normally leave a tip. I was trying to explain
it to them because it is like a very here.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
So you're right, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But it's so funny that it's put on other people
to take care of each other. Which I'm not like
against like taking care of each other, but it's kind
of wild, like if I pay for what if I
have one hundred dollars, that's it, and then I have
to pay one hundred and fifty because I have to
pay for someone sloan With all due respect, but it's
it's what about at me? Hello? No, Like you know,
(23:09):
I have a good life, but for other people, you know,
like if you don't have that, then it's it's a lot,
but I don't know, like you know, and what I
don't like about it is that if you are getting
a tip and that's how it works in Europe you're
a good waiter yeah, or a waitress yeah, when you're
(23:30):
not giving the tip they want and I'm like, excuse you,
and then.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You end up on social media like Nami sham Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now, like I'll leave you a tip, but also just work,
be happy, like you know, yeah, do the job.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, and yeah you earn a tip. It's not supposed
to be. That's what still right, Yeah, it is still
like the hospitality of it. And I love when somebody
does a great job.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And I, yes, I love me too, like especially on vacation,
like I that I love to give to people. Yeah
for sure, but show up right, do your job, do
your job. I get it. It's not yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Now, I also saw you at the Telfar. I was
just telling Jordan's even before I knew that you had
went there that I love that store.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, and I love their clothes.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not just their bad but I think people have to
understand their their clothes are amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm like, we're going in tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yeah, tel Far is also so nice and so on
it because I think he's a true creative where he
really likes just the music that he likes.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
For me meeting him, and he's such an icon of
like this like Rigin of America as well, right, like
he's he's he's like tell far and he did so
many things for the culture and he's such an interesting guy.
Like he comes in I meet him, he has these
glasses on with like a camera, Like, what do you
mean I haven't I've been filming might No, like he
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bought it somewhere. I've been filming my life for like
five years now I'm making I'm like I love that. Yeah,
I love that. You're so like artistic and you're creative
and he lives in his own world.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and you see that, like because it's not just fashion.
It's like he has like a multi media company.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
The way he does it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, are you documenting a lot of what you're doing
right now?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because that's valuable for you too.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I try to do it more and more. I have
this really nice camera that I forgotten thenolence, but I
will get it back. And but yeah, I try to
do it more and more. It's fun to kind of
like watch it back. I missed that when when I
was younger. Yeah, my parents were filming it. It's always
good to see that.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And how has life changed or has it changed for
you after signing, because you know it's it is.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You're the first lady of Obo now. Yeah, yeah, I
feel like things are different, do you.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think some things are different and some are not
because I'm still like working my ass off, and like
we said, like when you're signed to a label, it
doesn't mean that then you don't have to do anything anymore, right,
It's like I still have to work, so but beautiful opportunities,
you know. Touring with Tames was really nice yea.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I want to say you and Thames are both
like I could slide from your music to her music.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah nice, And that's.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Just even the way it sounds. It does have like
an Afro type of vibe to it as well.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, she's great. He's amazing, beautiful and such a nice person.
So these things are are great, you know, and just
making a lot of music and meeting new people like
right now. The new album is executive produced by Jordan
from Modred and Jordan's Yeah, and that whole process was
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just so special and dear to me.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, how are your label mats? Like how do you
get along with them? Do you have you met most
of them?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I met most of them. We kind of everyone is
working hard, you know, everyone is busy, and so it's
not that we have dinner every week, right yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
But is it like studio link ups?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Like I think about other crews, like they'll be in
the studio this person, this person, like you know.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I think, yeah, I think we have our like right now,
I'm like working with Jordan Yep. Sometimes we've moge in
the studio. Like that's kind of like my world. It
does make sense with the music as well, right, Like
it will be a fun crossover if me and Smiley
would make something, but like it's it, that's rep right
and so yeah, I think that's how it moves around,
(27:47):
Like we all find each other in different a different timing,
right Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
And I know people ask you is Drake has Is
he going to have something on the album?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It's so funny that question because the answer is no,
but like no, but because I know people are going
to ask because you are on ovo and he yeah,
because he posts the music and history. Yeah, yeah to me,
it's important that I can show myself but also other
people that I can do this by myself. I don't
need a feature to get there. These are stepping stones
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and they're really good, and of course I would be grateful,
but it's not like the number one priority for me.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Is that album done.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
The album is done, Okay, my album?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah right, I said, you're telling people text Paradise if
you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I know it's done.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, stealedn't delivered, so it's gonna come out very soon.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's a vibe though, too, and I just feel like
it gives you, like the feels, it gives you the
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
The other song that's the standout is better Days.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah you like that song?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I love that song.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I haven't heard I don't have everything.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
They just gave me a little couple of you know,
yeah nippets to be able to hear.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's really good. It's as in sorry, well not sorry,
I don't want to be argod but like, I really
love that song. Now. I just really loved that song
and I made it with Blush, amazing singer songwriter, and
we had some like working with her. It's just like
riffing off ideas, and then every time we're in the
studio it's like an hour or two hours and we
(29:27):
have a full song and better days, like she's so
good in like listening to your story and whatever, and
then you're creating the lyrics together and then that came along.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's a very like, yeah, listen, you talk about healing
a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Also, do you feel like you've do you feel healed
from past experiences?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
And I mean it's good for the music too.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Journey of hearing your thoughts and what you've been going through.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, I think I'm way happier than I was, but
I think now I have to heal from that, right,
So I taking my time to taking the time and
also giving myself some grace that healing doesn't have to
happen over a week or a day or a night,
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and I try to be kind to myself.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But yeah, because better days and then worse days.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, And it's it's kind of like if you go
through a lot, and let's say you stay in a
relationship for a long time, you deal with things and behavior,
and then after that you're like, so is that love
or was that me? And like I said, you will
have to be accountable as well. I have to work
on myself as well.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And yeah, now what is no Sleep in Paradise even mean,
I know it's open to interpretation, but for you, no.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
For me, the title came after I had no sleep
after five weeks in like the studio, and I did
that to myself. By the way, I'm I'm my work
attic is pretty intense. But when I go in, I
lock in and we were running on like three hours
of sleep a day, which is insane. That is insane,
and we were kind of just on a high, like
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on a high of like adrenaline and success that we
were experiencing through this whole process. And after that, I
was like, wow, it's so funny how how we like
romanticize our relationship with work, and especially as artists or creatives.
Were like, we subject ourselves to the most intense process
(31:36):
ever because we think that that's the best thing, and
then we look for a quick fix. And so no
Sleep in Paradise means like paradise to me? Is this
like artist world that I'm in right, Like from the
outside it looks beautiful. Like so many people, I have
these ideas about being a celebrity or like an artist,
I'm like, honey, I still have to pay my rent,
(31:56):
like it's not yeah, no, it's not all that like and.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Then people do have these expectations and yeah, I also
expected to like post and like be everything and do
everything be in the studio.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, so and so like that whole paradise thing. And
I kind of made this like dystopian concept around it.
So you're going to see that like when I release it.
But quick Fix l A is known for that, Like
we're all on the copper peptides and things, and I'm
not against it, like I wouldn't look good too, But
(32:28):
it's funny how we do it, like we we tire
ourselves and then we're like, oh no, I want to
have an ivy Dripp's even really work because they do.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But I don't know if I feel different or if
I'm the same, Like I just can't tell.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I like getting them right before I can feel I'm
getting a cold. I feel like it saves me from
the cold every time, or if I really am am
just like drained, it will give me the vitamins and
that hydration that I don't have.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Are you big on supplements? I need to be better.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I take I take vitamins every day, supplements every every day.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay, so that's good. Yeah, I'm not so good. So
I found a way. I was in aern and I
and I found this like mineral like dropper and has zinc, magnesium,
all these things. I'm like, yeah, like I just want
to have something that I can put in my drink
and yeah, that's what I need, right, So I bought
that and I'm sold. Yeah it works. You can feel
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the magnesium they have the electrolyzed the magnesium. It just
puts me to bad. I'm relaxed.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I have magnesium gummies at home and I take to
go to Yeah, isn't it good? And I sleep so good?
And you don't feel graggy when you make it up.
You just feel like okay right now. It was like
a nice smooth like but you know, like.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We were, we need that. Like a lot of people
don't realize that based on your mood and whatever. It's
like food where you put inside your body is so important.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, that's why you can't sleep for three hours a
night and then go right. So that's why I was like,
well after that, I was on edge and I was like,
all right, but you also do a great job of
staying in shape and working out. And I know you've
also done martial arts. Tell me about that and.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Why that was a decision.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It's still it's passed right now because I have my nails,
but I love martial arts. The decision came after I
had a moment on the street where someone put his
hands on me. Wow, when he was asking the way
and I was like, you know, in the moment itself,
I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna tell
him where it is. And I was not anxious. I'm
(34:43):
not really like that, but I can. It was definitely
a lot and so when that happened, I remember I
was so mad. I had so much rach in me.
And you know, as a woman, we're subjected to a
lot of that. I think unfortunately, there are people and
(35:03):
men that can I don't know, they're just like they
have a problem with just keeping it in, you know,
or or keeping their hands to themselves. And I was like,
that rage needs to be I don't know, put into somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I need to know. If that happens, I'm a drop
kick him.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
In the throat. Well, what's funny, because that was my
that that was my first initial thought then, but later
on you're gonna learn that you don't know what you're
gonna encounter, like you never know. You think you might,
you know, handle that guy or a person, or you
never know, so you kind of handle with I think
(35:44):
martial art comes to a lot of discipline and respect
and also knowing that you have to walk away from
a situation first. You don't want to end up around.
And I did boxing, kickboxing or tie boxing and brazil
In jiu jitsu. If I can recommend a martial art
(36:05):
to women, Brazilian.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Jiu jitsu, Oh wow, okay, yes good, if.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You're ever in a situation, I think it's really important
to know what you have to do on the ground
or like to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
And you took it very seriously, like not just I
was competing. Yeah, I love that for you and even
but I do want to say I'm sorry that that
happened to you. Yeah, yeah, you know that's awful and
nobody should have to experience that. I want to say,
I'm sorry that happened, but it led you on a
path of.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Now, yeah, I understand more and I understand more about
my rage as well. Sometimes it's I think a lot
of women have that. You know, it's you have this
like thing and you don't want that to come out ever, right,
that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
So well we're trying to control that. Yeah, we're trying
to act like everything's okay.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No. Yeah, but I think one thing is really good
if you can walk around with like security, like just
like in yourself, within yourself, I think that also affects
how people approach you. I'm not saying that it will
be much different, but you knowing that you can do
(37:13):
something is a really good power, right you can have
And I can told myself if I have yes, and
I hope that no one gets into that, or if
you listen and you had gone into that, I'm sorry too,
like it's it's not nice. But yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And I also and even just as far as the
fitness aspect and the therapy and the I'm sure a
meditative aspect of working out and feeling better about yourself
and strong.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Being strong is a great feeling.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting because I think a lot
of times, even on social media, I see people react
to my body being like oh my god, like you're
so big, or like are you a man or whatever.
And I'm like, since when do women have to be petite? Like,
if you are, that's great, but I think, like I
love my strong body.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, I think you look amazing. You say, he's not
in here right now, but are board up? We're not
tell them you were coming. There's a picture of you
that's so viral. He's like, yeah, this is the picture
a picture.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
We asked him.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And he was like yes. I was like, all right,
calm down. But now that I know you, could you know.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, no, no, But I think it's so important to
just like be good in your body. For me, that
means that I go to the gym every now and then.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Look at it and I'm like I want to like yeah,
like I need to go to to go.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Some class, but also something something. But also i'm you know,
like if I if I A lot of people are like, oh,
what is your your your gym like your workout thing,
and I'm like, it's also genetics, like my dad his
body is you know, he's Caribbean. Like it's a bill too, what.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Part of the Caribbean because I know you're a Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And yeah, he's born in a Ruban Okay, But the
family is from Saint Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
When I get out of here, what do you mean
the Dutch side?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
No, I mean his Oh okay, Saint Martin though, because
I know there's the French side and the dead side.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Oh the Dutch there, yeah, so French English side side.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Okay, Yeah, I love Saint Martin.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, I've never been.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What listen you said the girl, you have got to
go there. That's one of my favorite places.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I know, I have to.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I have to go because I have no reason.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
You were love it, I know, but I didn't know.
So first of all, my grandma rests in peace. She
was five years ago. She was like, now you're not
you're not from a Ruba. Like, that's not I'm like,
what do you mean, it's not a thing. That's not
a thing. I was like, what do you mean. She's like, well,
your dad was born there, but we're all from Saint Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
So I know this.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
For like five years, I've been to a Ruba and Cursel.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, that's beautiful, that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
But I have to go to Saint Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Now, I got listen, he knows, I'm like, I go there.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
A couple of times ago a lot of Americans go
to that part. It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Even a Ruba, right, like it's yeah, yeah, people love
a Ruba, but I do love same.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And the British Virgin Islands and the US Virgin Islands
are like some of my favorite places to go.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm going the same time. It's at the end of
the month.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Wow for you when you are you carebban?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yes, my mom is Caribbean, she's from she's from Manserrat,
but it's a really small, small yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And then my dad's Chinese.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh wow, yeah, what a beautiful what are you.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
We've been in America all four hundred years. I fear
we run the first boat over and I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
We're American.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
That's down to the boat.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, I mean yes. Well, when I did my blood test, yeah,
it actually said that I was Scandinavian, that I'm Scandinavian
and Nigerian.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Wow, okay, wow, And do you know any of your lineage,
like you.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Know, you know what ironically just said. At one point
it just said Viking. I was like, oh, oh, so
that could be a couple of different places.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's so funny.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
And then it said Scandinavian.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, and so it still hasn't like broken down into
yeah Scandinavia.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
No, I don't know. I was joking, but it was real.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yep, yep. No. I the other day at sol Far,
someone came up to me and he's like, are you Viking?
And I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, I I mean I know a
little bit of my heeritage, like but yeah, like I
know that they're Irish, they're black Irish people.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, my family in Man, there's a lot of people.
They call it the Emerald Isle because a lot of
Irish settlers. Yeah, but yeah, Passions Day is their biggest holiday.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, See my last name, Webster is Irish.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Okay, So look as we got into all kinds of things,
I know, conversation.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
So when you got your tattoo, which was extensive, you
said you talked for like seven hours before even getting started.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah. Sorry, I were that wrong because the session was
seven hours.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I was like, dang, you got time.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
No, no, no, this session was seven hours. But yeah,
I mean I was with him for seven hours. It's
a very personal thing that you do with him, because
he goes in with you only that day you talked
to him and then based on you know, your energy,
he does something intuitive. But I was in that room
for seven hours. So yeah, we talked for seven hours, but.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I was in pain.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I bet because that your tattoo is extensive. I know,
anybody listening, go and look it out and have a
chance to see.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yes, but you left it. I love it, but it
was it was a very beautiful moment getting a tattoo
like this. Someone putting it on you, intuitively is a
very spiritual woman, even the pain, like enduring the pain.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
And that's something you should have filmed because you probably
got all kind of gems. Yeah, next one, no kidding
that part.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Next lag.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Put the little blastes on that could record the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Well, Naomi, thank you so much for joining us nicely
in Paradise, coming very soon, sooner than we think.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, okay, and to tour anything, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
We are definitely touring.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah that's all I can say.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I mean, no, I'm touring and maybe something earlier.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And uh, who knows, I don't know, Okay, who knows?
You know I know that I'm gonna tour. Okay, all right, Well,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
It's well
What's ups for Antelage.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My girl Jordy Door is here with me today and
we had Naomi sharing here. Oh this is different for us. Hello,
how are you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm good. Yeah, it's good to be back in New York.
I went to a musical theater show yesterday. Oh would
you say Chicago?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh yeah, and Megan this dallion is coming back today
to the show. So you just.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Look at us. It's cat.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I haven't seen either one. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's really good. You know you should go. Actually, it's
like it's iconic, legendary show.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But if you feel I've seen The Lion King and
I know you did the one the Netherlands and I've
also I also said the Tina Turner play here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, so that's a great one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I actually like going to Broadway. But those are the
two that I haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I had never seen Chicago until my friend was in it,
and that was the reason I went. Still, no, she
hasn't been there for about a year now. I haven't
seen Mulan.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Rouge in the show.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I want to see Megan though.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, and the movie was so good too. Yeah, yeah, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Remember that, so you do, but you do have a
theatrical background. And for everybody listening, she's the first woman
signed to OVL Music period period of Obo music. But
you're so talk to me about just kind of growing
up and Rotterdam Am I saying it right, Yeah, okay,
Radadam in the Netherlands and what that was like and
how you got into there there.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Ronaldam is a I mean, it has some similarities to
New York in a small way, like microwave, but it's
it's a city, a really cool city, a lot of
culture there, very diverse. And oh yeah, I was young
and and I grew up in a family with a
lot of like musicians, singers, dancers. So it was kind
(01:58):
of in the blood, in the blood and in the
stars that I was going to do that. And yeah,
pretty young, I started to do musical theater while I
was doing trek and field as well. For a while
I was I thought I was doing the Olympics like
in the future. No, for real, like I was serious
about it. And then I had to make a decision.
And so when I was like fourteen years I decided
(02:20):
to do musical theater.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
What a hard decision to have to make What made
you say that was the way you were going to
sway toward?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think, you know, being an athlete. I have the
utmost respect for athletes. It's a different type of life
you have. It's very restricted, where when you're an artist
you can create it. Yeah, I can be a little
bit more fun, I guess, but it was a hard one.
I cried, like I was actually going to be in
(02:51):
like the national team, so it was yeah. I was.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Also I think, you don't know what's going to happen.
It's kind of like you were going to be in
the national team, so you knew that could happen, but
then this was more of a risk.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah it was. Yeah, I mean I don't know, Like
I was very determined and I knew from a young
age and what I wanted to do was what I
was going to do. And I think when you're younger,
you're a little bit more like, yeah, I'm going to
do that, So when you're getting older, you get a
little insecure and whatever. But at that age, I was like,
(03:27):
all right, well I'll just you know, become a singer.
And then I did, thank you, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You have such a powerful voice too, and I can't
even think. When Jordan and I were talking, I was like,
who could I even because you know how whenever you're
a singer and people you know reminds me of X,
Y and Z, there's not a lot that I could say.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
No. Yeah, I mean it's low register, so I think
a lot of people always you know, have their their
say and like there, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, that's a I mean, that's a good thing right
now signing to OVO And I know, I know you've
probably told this story a million times, but even how
that happened because Drake reached out to you personally on
the DM, Yeah, did you think it was real? Because
you know, sometimes you get reached out to and people
are like I always hear stories again, but being like,
oh that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I yeah, well, I was like, you know, the first
thing he said was about the music and that he
was going to listen to it, and I was like,
all right, you know, let's see, he must be so busy.
So but he did. He came back to me and
that followed up with like a meeting with like the
whole team, and then I was like, okay, yeah, this
is legit, Like I want to do this and I think,
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you know, it's it's great to have something behind you
that can push you in a direction or whatever. I
was already doing so much by myself though, like I
didn't have a label, didn't have management at the beginning, well,
doing so many things myself. But it's always great to
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see like people want to support you.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
How did he even see your music to reach out
to say, I want to hear.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think someone send it over to him or something.
I don't know, Like I asked him this, but the
answer was quite fake.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So I would say that having worked in the A
and R department before previously, yeah, A and I just
really love to find people that people aren't bidding over
yet already, and so what they want to do is
find somebody that has super talent that can be a star,
but isn't already.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Like yeah, maybe yeah, I mean he was complimenting me
on like the music that I made, which I have
three songs out, they reached a lot of people though.
It was really interesting because I released that independently.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Were there people like was there other people reaching out
also to Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, no, I've had people reaching out to me.
I've had labels reaching out to me at the time,
and I don't know, this felt felt right, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And what happened in that initial meeting with the whole team.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It was it was kind of like getting to know
them and see how they work. And what I liked
about it is that they kind of like they have
space for their artists to create this own world. And
also they kind of expect you to be someone who
can do it by themselves in a way, you know
what I mean, Like you can't really you have to
(06:30):
rely on your on your own label always, like that's obvious.
But at the same time, you have to be your
own like company, right, It's like it's your business. Yeah,
so you better like put everything in that and make
sure that you get it across the line.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm glad you said that, because sometimes people think that
as an artist, I'm assigned to a label and they'll
do everything and something to work. But I think the
most valuable thing to do is act like you're not signed.
And yeah, they probably appreciated the fact that dependently, yeah,
you are already handling business and making things happen on
your own.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But look, I always, I say always, this one thing
that I think is really important. I think what I
want is I want people to run as hard or
harder than me, Like the pace is fast with me,
Like I want to accomplish something, and I'm always looking for.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Like and you're a teck star, it is definitely like
yeah no, but like I'm definitely always looking for the
next thing to do to reach more audience or like
it's it's an ongoing thing.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You can be lazy, right, So but I then I
need a team behind me that is doing the same thing.
It's it's important to have this cohesiveness with everyone who
is involved, right And I think if you can find
that as an artist, you're good to go. But you
still have to work. You still have to.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Work, and you've been putting into work.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, I saw your performance to the Miss That song
on the Edison Award.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And then the video also came out, So tell me
how that feels to be like on that because that's
a big award show and to be on that stage.
And then I had the video come out, and I
know you've already had out a project and an EP
before that, but it feels like it's.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
No, it's new, It's like it's a new era. I'm
really glad that I'm out of that freaking late extress,
Like I couldn't move with that on stage. I was like,
it looked fine.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Did you have to boil yourself in to get it?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah? So I have to loop myself like it's it's
insane like that right right womb Like it was beautiful,
but like it was so limited and anyway, so I
was like, Okay, we're gonna do this different. Also, I
want to dance like the music that is coming out
soon on the album is much more in that like
up tempo. Yeah, world, I would say, And it was
(08:56):
so fun to do, Like a TV show like that,
I'm addicted to, like the more the better, right Yeah.
But like I think I talked to someone about this
and they were asking me if I like to perform
for like a small crowd or a big crowd, and
I'm like, give me fifty thousand people like tonight, tonight,
I want it. You know it's nice. It's like I
had it with Track and Field as well. If there
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were people watching, I would run faster.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, And it's not that I do you get nervous
or do you feel like no?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
The funny thing is that was the first time that
I got nervous because I had to dance and I
haven't been doing that for a long time for the audience,
because I had you know, I did that the musical
theater that I did Tut Turner was insane. Yeah that
was you saw the show.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I saw that. That's Hi and dance energy.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
She was, oh yeah, and just kind of tilted. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
So so that was like the first time I was
I was nervous. But for singing, I'm not nervous, which
is funny. But it has to do with like doing
the linking for like three years for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's kind of like, yeah, you really have had all
the training to be able to do this.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, and I have so much fun. Like it's when
it was over, I was like again, Okay, I want
to do it again. It's fun, Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
A good thing when it's because it is really still
a jab, but it's a jab that you love, yeah,
you know, and it's it's a passing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I probably you probably feel like you want to make
sure you keep that excitement going too, because and.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'm grateful as well, like I'm practicing bad more, you
know what I mean. Like these sometimes these moments are
so like fleeting, you're exhausting, and then you're like all right,
next and right now, I'm like, no, actually, that was
such a beautiful opportunity. Yes, you know, and then I
extend sealed by that and I'm like, okay, you know. Next.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Time I really liked about your song is that I
feel like people mis interpret it, or not misinterpreted, but
think it's automatically like a love song yeah, or missing
someone yeah. But it's like it is that moment where
you know you're in it and you're like, oh my god,
it's about to be over, and you're just enjoying it
and soaking it up so much and that and I
feel like I have a lot of those moments.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I do so reflective and just like like good yeah for.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
You, Like I think, no, good for you. Actually, so
many people can do that. They're just like okay, like
onto the next thing. I remember I had my first
billboard here on Times Square and I saw it and
I was like all right, anyways, and I was like what, Yeah,
you just kind of gloss over it. Yeah, can you
do that too? Like the young girl that I once
(11:32):
was that was screaming if that was her real?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that's amazing feeling and yeah, we have to hold
on to that. Yeah, that type of like being just
grateful and thrilled and appreciative and that wow, I can't
believe this moment, right, Yeah, even and you talked about
this so and missed that, and then we're gonna talk
more about the upcoming music too. But yes, Jordan's She's
had a lot of those moments of I think sometimes
(11:55):
people think that women are the ones that can't let
something go right, Like they think that we can't hit
it and.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Quit it funny and.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Be okay with stepping away and being like I'm gonna
miss that, but peace.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think you know what, actually, if we're talking about
like relationships, I think we as women, there's a known
thing when we're in a relationship and we're not happy.
We know that four years prior, and and we try
and try and try and try, and then when it's done,
it's done, and so you don't miss that.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, so we're already getting over it while.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
We like, all right, well that was great, thank you.
So yeah, And I think maybe that's that's also something
that we do in general, because we're like emotional creatures
that maybe in a moment we have this like intense feeling,
but then when it's gone, it's gone because.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
When that window closes, window closes, is not opening back.
I think that for us, we like heal and then
we're able to move on, and men kind of move
on and then they try to hear water and then
they end up coming back because they never really got
over it because they didn't deal with it. Yes, you know,
while we're like crying, eating ice cream, talking to our
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girls depressed.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, and they're like, okay, I'm right, yeah, alright, Now.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I do want to talk about some of the music
that I've had the pleasure of hearing.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh okay, was it ever love Baby?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Because we're tut it right now. Yes, we're talking about
it right now now.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I wrote down a couple of lyrics from it that
I felt like, Wow, I tried to hold my breath,
I try to argue less. Even quiet moments feel like
I'm screaming. And I wanted you to change. When I
tell you what woman hasn't been through that When you're like,
I'm like, you just said, I'm trying, I'm trying, and
then you're screaming even though you're quiet.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And then it's done. Yeah, and then it's done.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I yeah, And I think we do make the mistake
of trying to change.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well, okay, so let's let's be accountable as well, right,
because it's always like the man or like you're the partner,
woman whatever. I think that we choose people from our
like it's a pattern. We what we know. Sorry, I
think I think people in general. I think people in
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general have this because it's like it's a known thing
as human beings do, like what we know. We tend
to attract or we want that again because that's the
only thing we know. And then once you are waking
up from that, you're like, hold on, this is the
fourth person that does this to me. You can't just
blame it all on them. It's like you are doing
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this and you're like, yeah, like me being in a
relationship that I was unhappy and I was staying in
that relationship because I thought I could change someone. It's
not fair to that person.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's a mistake that we make when we think we
can mold somebody. Yeah, but we think they tell us
one thing, but they mean another.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
No, Yeah, they told you exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
How they act.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I just thought those were so power.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's just such a powerful like yeah, and like you said,
accountability is in there also, What what is it about
that you've done that you felt like you've done over
and over again that you had to be accountable for?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Hmmm? I think staying too long when it's done. Yeah,
you know that's not that's not fair to the other
person as well. I think it's because of fear, you know,
of losing someone. It's it's it's comfortable, right, even the
uncomfortable part is kind of like comfortable and can be
(15:37):
addictive in a way.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And how do you know when it's over? Then, like,
how do you know I should have left? What are
some things?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's just it's it's a feeling. I think we all
know this feeling that you're like and then you're gonna
try and repair it. And then what I want to
get better in is not to repair it anymore. Right.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I want to say this though.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I think sometimes people act like if you don't work
on it, you didn't try hard enough. Because there's also
that where people are like, oh you didn't even try.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh you know, there's always people.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You're not twenty years old anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Because I see.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
People holding women account but well, he cheated, but he's
sorry or he did this. But you can't just like
try to work through it. You can't go to therapy,
you can't do X, Y and Z. You can't just
give up. And sometimes as women, we feel like, but
what are you going to do? Go be with somebody
else and do the same thing with a new person.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
That's well, there are good people out there. I will
have to realize that that it's not like you're the
ones you're attracting. Is not like the world, right, There
are good people out there and we all have to
learn things. I'm not saying that like I think also
and this speaks to me as well, but like when
you get out of relationship that was toxic, you're like
never again, right, and then your tolerance is low and
(16:56):
you're the way you're communicating with someone is kind of
like hiden it etchy because it's like, nope, we're not
going to do that anymore. Where you still have to
be open to someone that wants to grow with you.
You don't have to settle for like the you know
less than bare minimum, or like someone cheating on you.
And we all have our different like stories and why
(17:17):
we stay with each other, Like, I'm not going to
judge on that, but I do think that you know
what's healthy and what's not right. I'm just not twenty
years old anymore. I want to have a family in
the future, so I'm not going to settle for something
that is just like whatever. Like then you know, I
wish you the best and I'll move on.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What would you say about the guys in Rotterdam because
I've never been there.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's funny, funny, funny, all right, And if you see
this the preface, if you see this, like change your
ways because you know the moment I came here different
in culture, but gentle men not really, it's rare, very rare.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
So what do they like do they don't open doors?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
No, it's like it's very rare. I don't know, Like
maybe again, maybe I was in like a bad environment
or something. I don't want to say every man in Rotterdam, like,
I don't want to say that, But in the Netherlands
it's not really a thing. Where in America you guys
have a lot more like manners. Wow, which is interesting, right,
(18:29):
but no, you do actually.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You do that because I always think Americans are like rude, right,
and that how would think people look at Americans like
we're rude.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, Europeans can be rude too, Like every everyone can
be rude. Yeah, But like I think, I don't know,
just men in general here, I feel like they have
manners more than and especially when they're from like a
region like the South or whatever. Yeah. Son kind of
like it when they're saying men and like yeah, yeah,
(19:02):
I know, ye yes, ma'am. Yeah no, but yeah, it's different.
It's different. But I don't know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm just wondering because I'm like, what is it right?
Damn man like that? You know.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
So we have beautiful people, I would say, we have
beautiful people in the Netherlands or it's diverse, like mixed.
Everyone is mixed, so beautiful, beautiful, special people and you
know they're they're great.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
How is living in la culturally for you?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
It's very different from the Netherlands, but I kind of
I don't mean I can adapt. I do still have
my my my Dutch. Like I think, like I'm down
to earth. I would say, I don't want to disrespect
anyone from LA. I think that native people from l
A are very down to earth. I think that people
that come in there and try to do Yeah. That's
(19:56):
sometimes where I'm like, all right, guys, I know it's
one big network work party. I get it, but like
right now, yeah, right now, I just want to watch
the movie, like we don't have to. I don't know.
Sometimes I lie about what I do because I don't
want to have like, oh I do this and this, what.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Do you say you do? It's a good lie.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's a bad lie because I started to say like
I'm a hairstylist and like that's stupid, Like that's a
good one. Actually, I don't know. I was just like
and now I something. Sometimes I say like, well, I'm like, uh,
I work in like the creative field. That's so I
should say like it t But I don't know. I
(20:33):
don't want to do that because then they're gonna talk ID.
I'm like, I don't know what's the good thing to say?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
When does if somebody asks you and I'm in between jobs.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Something like that's a good one. Actually, let's let's come
up with this, because.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Like I'm an engineer or something in science. I like no, no, no,
that's that's and then ask you to say something until
beags too much like that that you'd be given away.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh right, dog, my dog, my dog.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, okay, but that's I can I can see that though,
because people say that about La.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now you've been in New York too, What do you
think about New York? Love? Okay?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I love like how people are down to earth here.
It's really similar to Rotterdam, I would say. Okay, mentality
sometimes a little harsh, but I can I can see,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And the men are rude here too a little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think people right here in this city they don't
take like the pool yeah, you know, like there and
I kind of like that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Our patience level is ye, like yeah, it's real.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Also, I think you know, one thing I would say
about this side of the world. I think we in
Europe we have it like, we have a good life.
We don't have to struggle as much as you guys do.
And so sometimes that attitude is also something that I'm like,
I get it, it's fine. I don't think I'm not
going to take it personal.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Like, I get it. You don't have health insurance, right, no.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah. What I do want to say is that the
tipping culture here.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Oh right, because they don't tip.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
But yeah, but it's I guess we sit here.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That's so funny, and you guys don't really have that
as part of.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
No, because people get paid right first.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You once and these women were at the table next
to me and I think they were from like Sweden
or something, they said, and they asked me about tipping
because they they don't tip, so they were asking me,
like what are they they?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I guess they had gotten.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, a crazy bill maybe, or they.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Just didn't understand it, like what am I? I'm like, well,
we normally leave a tip. I was trying to explain
it to them because it is like a very here.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
So you're right, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But it's so funny that it's put on other people
to take care of each other. Which I'm not like
against like taking care of each other, but it's kind
of wild, like if I pay for what if I
have one hundred dollars, that's it, and then I have
to pay one hundred and fifty because I have to
pay for someone sloan With all due respect, but it's
it's what about at me? Hello? No, Like you know,
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I have a good life, but for other people, you know,
like if you don't have that, then it's it's a lot,
but I don't know, like you know, and what I
don't like about it is that if you are getting
a tip and that's how it works in Europe you're
a good waiter yeah, or a waitress yeah, when you're
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not giving the tip they want and I'm like, excuse you,
and then.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You end up on social media like Nami sham Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now, like I'll leave you a tip, but also just work,
be happy, like you know, yeah, do the job.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, and yeah you earn a tip. It's not supposed
to be. That's what still right, Yeah, it is still
like the hospitality of it. And I love when somebody
does a great job.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And I, yes, I love me too, like especially on vacation,
like I that I love to give to people. Yeah
for sure, but show up right, do your job, do
your job. I get it. It's not yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Now, I also saw you at the Telfar. I was
just telling Jordan's even before I knew that you had
went there that I love that store.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, and I love their clothes.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not just their bad but I think people have to
understand their their clothes are amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm like, we're going in tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yeah, tel Far is also so nice and so on
it because I think he's a true creative where he
really likes just the music that he likes.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
For me meeting him, and he's such an icon of
like this like Rigin of America as well, right, like
he's he's he's like tell far and he did so
many things for the culture and he's such an interesting guy.
Like he comes in I meet him, he has these
glasses on with like a camera, Like, what do you
mean I haven't I've been filming might No, like he
(25:02):
bought it somewhere. I've been filming my life for like
five years now I'm making I'm like I love that. Yeah,
I love that. You're so like artistic and you're creative
and he lives in his own world.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and you see that, like because it's not just fashion.
It's like he has like a multi media company.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
The way he does it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, are you documenting a lot of what you're doing
right now?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Because that's valuable for you too.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I try to do it more and more. I have
this really nice camera that I forgotten thenolence, but I
will get it back. And but yeah, I try to
do it more and more. It's fun to kind of
like watch it back. I missed that when when I
was younger. Yeah, my parents were filming it. It's always
good to see that.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And how has life changed or has it changed for
you after signing, because you know it's it is.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You're the first lady of Obo now. Yeah, yeah, I
feel like things are different, do you.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I think some things are different and some are not
because I'm still like working my ass off, and like
we said, like when you're signed to a label, it
doesn't mean that then you don't have to do anything anymore, right,
It's like I still have to work, so but beautiful opportunities,
you know. Touring with Tames was really nice yea.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I want to say you and Thames are both
like I could slide from your music to her music.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah nice, And that's.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Just even the way it sounds. It does have like
an Afro type of vibe to it as well.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, she's great. He's amazing, beautiful and such a nice person.
So these things are are great, you know, and just
making a lot of music and meeting new people like
right now. The new album is executive produced by Jordan
from Modred and Jordan's Yeah, and that whole process was
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just so special and dear to me.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, how are your label mats? Like how do you
get along with them? Do you have you met most
of them?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I met most of them. We kind of everyone is
working hard, you know, everyone is busy, and so it's
not that we have dinner every week, right yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
But is it like studio link ups?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Like I think about other crews, like they'll be in
the studio this person, this person, like you know.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I think, yeah, I think we have our like right now,
I'm like working with Jordan Yep. Sometimes we've moge in
the studio. Like that's kind of like my world. It
does make sense with the music as well, right, Like
it will be a fun crossover if me and Smiley
would make something, but like it's it, that's rep right
and so yeah, I think that's how it moves around,
(27:47):
Like we all find each other in different a different timing,
right Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
And I know people ask you is Drake has Is
he going to have something on the album?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It's so funny that question because the answer is no,
but like no, but because I know people are going
to ask because you are on ovo and he yeah,
because he posts the music and history. Yeah, yeah to me,
it's important that I can show myself but also other
people that I can do this by myself. I don't
need a feature to get there. These are stepping stones
(28:23):
and they're really good, and of course I would be grateful,
but it's not like the number one priority for me.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Is that album done.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
The album is done, Okay, my album?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah right, I said, you're telling people text Paradise if
you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I know it's done.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, stealedn't delivered, so it's gonna come out very soon.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's a vibe though, too, and I just feel like
it gives you, like the feels, it gives you the
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
The other song that's the standout is better Days.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah you like that song?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I love that song.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I haven't heard I don't have everything.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
They just gave me a little couple of you know,
yeah nippets to be able to hear.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's really good. It's as in sorry, well not sorry,
I don't want to be argod but like, I really
love that song. Now. I just really loved that song
and I made it with Blush, amazing singer songwriter, and
we had some like working with her. It's just like
riffing off ideas, and then every time we're in the
studio it's like an hour or two hours and we
(29:27):
have a full song and better days, like she's so
good in like listening to your story and whatever, and
then you're creating the lyrics together and then that came along.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's a very like, yeah, listen, you talk about healing
a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Also, do you feel like you've do you feel healed
from past experiences?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
And I mean it's good for the music too.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Journey of hearing your thoughts and what you've been going through.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, I think I'm way happier than I was, but
I think now I have to heal from that, right,
So I taking my time to taking the time and
also giving myself some grace that healing doesn't have to
happen over a week or a day or a night,
(30:18):
and I try to be kind to myself.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But yeah, because better days and then worse days.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, And it's it's kind of like if you go
through a lot, and let's say you stay in a
relationship for a long time, you deal with things and behavior,
and then after that you're like, so is that love
or was that me? And like I said, you will
have to be accountable as well. I have to work
on myself as well.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And yeah, now what is no Sleep in Paradise even mean,
I know it's open to interpretation, but for you, no.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
For me, the title came after I had no sleep
after five weeks in like the studio, and I did
that to myself. By the way, I'm I'm my work
attic is pretty intense. But when I go in, I
lock in and we were running on like three hours
of sleep a day, which is insane. That is insane,
and we were kind of just on a high, like
(31:12):
on a high of like adrenaline and success that we
were experiencing through this whole process. And after that, I
was like, wow, it's so funny how how we like
romanticize our relationship with work, and especially as artists or creatives.
Were like, we subject ourselves to the most intense process
(31:36):
ever because we think that that's the best thing, and
then we look for a quick fix. And so no
Sleep in Paradise means like paradise to me? Is this
like artist world that I'm in right, Like from the
outside it looks beautiful. Like so many people, I have
these ideas about being a celebrity or like an artist,
I'm like, honey, I still have to pay my rent,
(31:56):
like it's not yeah, no, it's not all that like and.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Then people do have these expectations and yeah, I also
expected to like post and like be everything and do
everything be in the studio.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, so and so like that whole paradise thing. And
I kind of made this like dystopian concept around it.
So you're going to see that like when I release it.
But quick Fix l A is known for that, Like
we're all on the copper peptides and things, and I'm
not against it, like I wouldn't look good too, But
(32:28):
it's funny how we do it, like we we tire
ourselves and then we're like, oh no, I want to
have an ivy Dripp's even really work because they do.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But I don't know if I feel different or if
I'm the same, Like I just can't tell.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I like getting them right before I can feel I'm
getting a cold. I feel like it saves me from
the cold every time, or if I really am am
just like drained, it will give me the vitamins and
that hydration that I don't have.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Are you big on supplements? I need to be better.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I take I take vitamins every day, supplements every every day.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay, so that's good. Yeah, I'm not so good. So
I found a way. I was in aern and I
and I found this like mineral like dropper and has zinc, magnesium,
all these things. I'm like, yeah, like I just want
to have something that I can put in my drink
and yeah, that's what I need, right, So I bought
that and I'm sold. Yeah it works. You can feel
(33:36):
the magnesium they have the electrolyzed the magnesium. It just
puts me to bad. I'm relaxed.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I have magnesium gummies at home and I take to
go to Yeah, isn't it good? And I sleep so good?
And you don't feel graggy when you make it up.
You just feel like okay right now. It was like
a nice smooth like but you know, like.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
We were, we need that. Like a lot of people
don't realize that based on your mood and whatever. It's
like food where you put inside your body is so important.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, that's why you can't sleep for three hours a
night and then go right. So that's why I was like,
well after that, I was on edge and I was like,
all right, but you also do a great job of
staying in shape and working out. And I know you've
also done martial arts. Tell me about that and.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Why that was a decision.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It's still it's passed right now because I have my nails,
but I love martial arts. The decision came after I
had a moment on the street where someone put his
hands on me. Wow, when he was asking the way
and I was like, you know, in the moment itself,
I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna tell
him where it is. And I was not anxious. I'm
(34:43):
not really like that, but I can. It was definitely
a lot and so when that happened, I remember I
was so mad. I had so much rach in me.
And you know, as a woman, we're subjected to a
lot of that. I think unfortunately, there are people and
(35:03):
men that can I don't know, they're just like they
have a problem with just keeping it in, you know,
or or keeping their hands to themselves. And I was like,
that rage needs to be I don't know, put into somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I need to know. If that happens, I'm a drop
kick him.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
In the throat. Well, what's funny, because that was my
that that was my first initial thought then, but later
on you're gonna learn that you don't know what you're
gonna encounter, like you never know. You think you might,
you know, handle that guy or a person, or you
never know, so you kind of handle with I think
(35:44):
martial art comes to a lot of discipline and respect
and also knowing that you have to walk away from
a situation first. You don't want to end up around.
And I did boxing, kickboxing or tie boxing and brazil
In jiu jitsu. If I can recommend a martial art
(36:05):
to women, Brazilian.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Jiu jitsu, Oh wow, okay, yes good, if.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You're ever in a situation, I think it's really important
to know what you have to do on the ground
or like to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
And you took it very seriously, like not just I
was competing. Yeah, I love that for you and even
but I do want to say I'm sorry that that
happened to you. Yeah, yeah, you know that's awful and
nobody should have to experience that. I want to say,
I'm sorry that happened, but it led you on a
path of.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Now, yeah, I understand more and I understand more about
my rage as well. Sometimes it's I think a lot
of women have that. You know, it's you have this
like thing and you don't want that to come out ever, right,
that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
So well we're trying to control that. Yeah, we're trying
to act like everything's okay.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No. Yeah, but I think one thing is really good
if you can walk around with like security, like just
like in yourself, within yourself, I think that also affects
how people approach you. I'm not saying that it will
be much different, but you knowing that you can do
(37:13):
something is a really good power, right you can have
And I can told myself if I have yes, and
I hope that no one gets into that, or if
you listen and you had gone into that, I'm sorry too,
like it's it's not nice. But yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And I also and even just as far as the
fitness aspect and the therapy and the I'm sure a
meditative aspect of working out and feeling better about yourself
and strong.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Being strong is a great feeling.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting because I think a lot
of times, even on social media, I see people react
to my body being like oh my god, like you're
so big, or like are you a man or whatever.
And I'm like, since when do women have to be petite? Like,
if you are, that's great, but I think, like I
love my strong body.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, I think you look amazing. You say, he's not
in here right now, but are board up? We're not
tell them you were coming. There's a picture of you
that's so viral. He's like, yeah, this is the picture
a picture.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
We asked him.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And he was like yes. I was like, all right,
calm down. But now that I know you, could you know.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, no, no, But I think it's so important to
just like be good in your body. For me, that
means that I go to the gym every now and then.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Look at it and I'm like I want to like yeah,
like I need to go to to go.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Some class, but also something something. But also i'm you know,
like if I if I A lot of people are like, oh,
what is your your your gym like your workout thing,
and I'm like, it's also genetics, like my dad his
body is you know, he's Caribbean. Like it's a bill too, what.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Part of the Caribbean because I know you're a Caribbean.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And yeah, he's born in a Ruban Okay, But the
family is from Saint Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
When I get out of here, what do you mean
the Dutch side?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
No, I mean his Oh okay, Saint Martin though, because
I know there's the French side and the dead side.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Oh the Dutch there, yeah, so French English side side.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Okay, Yeah, I love Saint Martin.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, I've never been.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What listen you said the girl, you have got to
go there. That's one of my favorite places.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I know, I have to.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I have to go because I have no reason.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
You were love it, I know, but I didn't know.
So first of all, my grandma rests in peace. She
was five years ago. She was like, now you're not
you're not from a Ruba. Like, that's not I'm like,
what do you mean, it's not a thing. That's not
a thing. I was like, what do you mean. She's like, well,
your dad was born there, but we're all from Saint Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
So I know this.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
For like five years, I've been to a Ruba and Cursel.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, that's beautiful, that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
But I have to go to Saint Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Now, I got listen, he knows, I'm like, I go there.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
A couple of times ago a lot of Americans go
to that part. It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Even a Ruba, right, like it's yeah, yeah, people love
a Ruba, but I do love same.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And the British Virgin Islands and the US Virgin Islands
are like some of my favorite places to go.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm going the same time. It's at the end of
the month.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Wow for you when you are you carebban?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yes, my mom is Caribbean, she's from she's from Manserrat,
but it's a really small, small yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And then my dad's Chinese.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh wow, yeah, what a beautiful what are you.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
We've been in America all four hundred years. I fear
we run the first boat over and I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
We're American.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
That's down to the boat.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, I mean yes. Well, when I did my blood test, yeah,
it actually said that I was Scandinavian, that I'm Scandinavian
and Nigerian.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Wow, okay, wow, And do you know any of your lineage,
like you.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Know, you know what ironically just said. At one point
it just said Viking. I was like, oh, oh, so
that could be a couple of different places.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's so funny.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
And then it said Scandinavian.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, and so it still hasn't like broken down into
yeah Scandinavia.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
No, I don't know. I was joking, but it was real.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yep, yep. No. I the other day at sol Far,
someone came up to me and he's like, are you Viking?
And I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, I I mean I know a
little bit of my heeritage, like but yeah, like I
know that they're Irish, they're black Irish people.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, my family in Man, there's a lot of people.
They call it the Emerald Isle because a lot of
Irish settlers. Yeah, but yeah, Passions Day is their biggest holiday.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, See my last name, Webster is Irish.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Okay, So look as we got into all kinds of things,
I know, conversation.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
So when you got your tattoo, which was extensive, you
said you talked for like seven hours before even getting started.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah. Sorry, I were that wrong because the session was
seven hours.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I was like, dang, you got time.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
No, no, no, this session was seven hours. But yeah,
I mean I was with him for seven hours. It's
a very personal thing that you do with him, because
he goes in with you only that day you talked
to him and then based on you know, your energy,
he does something intuitive. But I was in that room
for seven hours. So yeah, we talked for seven hours, but.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I was in pain.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I bet because that your tattoo is extensive. I know,
anybody listening, go and look it out and have a
chance to see.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yes, but you left it. I love it, but it
was it was a very beautiful moment getting a tattoo
like this. Someone putting it on you, intuitively is a
very spiritual woman, even the pain, like enduring the pain.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
And that's something you should have filmed because you probably
got all kind of gems. Yeah, next one, no kidding
that part.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Next lag.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Put the little blastes on that could record the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Well, Naomi, thank you so much for joining us nicely
in Paradise, coming very soon, sooner than we think.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, okay, and to tour anything, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (43:30):
We are definitely touring.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah that's all I can say.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
I mean, no, I'm touring and maybe something earlier.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And uh, who knows, I don't know, Okay, who knows?
You know I know that I'm gonna tour. Okay, all right, Well,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
It's well
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