April 24, 2026 • 35 mins
Pinky Cole Talks Slutty Vegan, RHOA Drama, Marriage, Rumors & More Truth Revealed + More
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
His way up for Angelae yee? And look as who
looking fabulous today?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Pinky call is here?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hello, I look like this my second home.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well I love that for us. But things are so
different now.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We got like a million things going on with you, Pinky.
We do, yes, I mean you'res of Atlanta now I am.
Last time my son was just a rumor, and you know,
I pressed Derek about it and he was like her yeah,
and that's how I knew it was true. But but
how are you feeling? I mean, so far three episodes
have aired, we're getting ready for episode four to come on.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How are you feeling about the looks?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I feel good. Have you watched it? Girl?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Of course I have.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay, So I let me tell you and I'm going
to ask you a question. I count a question. So
I feel good because it's definitely something new for me.
You know, people know me for having Slutty Vegan, they
know me for being an entrepreneur and doing all these things.
So like being in front of the camera is like
definitely something different.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Because you're used to being behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You used to produce it. I used to being behind
the scenes more it takes my life exactly. So to
be in front of the camera and like showing my
real life. And I've known you for a long time
since you've seen every single layer of it, So to
show my real life, it's definitely different. What do you
think about it?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh Man?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But so, first of all, I want to say, when
I found out you were joining, it's two different things.
I feel right on one end, I'm like, Pinky, You've
always been like living out loud, being really vulnerable and honest.
And I feel like people know you as Slutty Vegan.
Everybody knows you. You say Pinky Cold, It's not like
who is that? Who is It's Pinky Cold from Slutty Vegan.
(01:39):
Everybody knows you, know your story about love. You've been
really honest and transparent. Sometimes I feel like things get
scripted on reality TV because there's no way to not
script certain situations.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So I was just wondering, like, how is this gonna gel?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Because I also know that controversy sells too, and so
I'm like, where's Pinky gonna end up? Because I know
you're not going to hold back. At the same time, yeah,
I think I gave up a little too much.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean, but people can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But then also it is your real life, and so
it's not easy to see people weighing in on things
as they really are happening.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, you know, because everything is happening in real time.
I really just block out the noise. It is a
very sacred practice to block out negative energy, you know
what I'm saying, because like I've already done so many
great things in my career. Nobody could ever erase all
the great things that I've done, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So you know, you know, it's interesting also because when
somebody was asking me, I had a conversation the other day.
They're like, do you think Pinky should have gone on
Reality TV? And I'm like, you know, the thing about
Pinky is that something happens and she's gonna come out
and tell you why it happened, break it down for you,
explain it to you. And that is exactly what you've
been doing. And like you said, you've been blocking out
(02:50):
the noise. I mean that bankruptcy video where you had
to give the ABC's viral so what he went to
extremely viral, and you know, in the way that it is,
some people applaud you and some people are like, what's
wrong with her?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, if they're not talking about you, then you ain't
doing something, Okay, So let the people talk. And you know,
like when I first started Slutty Vegan, they said, don't
start sledty Vegan. People ain't gonna buy vegan burgers. And
I built a hundred million dollar brand.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And people said slutty, who's gonna who's gonna?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, now, old people, young people, white people, black people
don't matter. People love my brand. So I'm always intentional
with everything that I do. Coming on the show was
a really good opportunity to just be open and honest
about my life as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know what, you're an entrepreneur too, and shout out
to me, thank you. Yes, right, but you know it's
South Florida. Okay, I'm having a coffee in there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But you know, as an entrepreneur, like you don't really
get a lot of examples of people who are really
going through challenges and changes in business. Everybody show up
with the lights. Everybody show up and it's beautiful. Nobody
really tells you the real You get it like two percent.
But I want it to be that person to show
you the highs and the lows. I've come on this
show several times, and the other times i've come on
(04:00):
the show, I talked about all of my accolades, all
the great things that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But you've also talked about the struggles you've.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Had exactly, and we need more of that as entrepreneurs.
So I know that it may seem like a platform
that you wouldn't typically see a pinky col on talking
about her struggles and business. But I'm like, let me
do something different, because I could be saving lives in
real time and really just embarking on a new journey
while doing it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Because I watched the show, of course, I gotta dig in.
So what's happening on the show?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Number one, they try to say that you eat meat,
and that turned into a whole thing. What's I thought,
what's just amusing? I didn't think it was anything because
there's always these little things they say, like, well, you
know she eat meat, Well, you know, I don't seeing her.
You know, how do you respond to something like that
or do you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, first of all, it bothered me at first, but
then after a while, I'm like, all right, yeah, I'm
a thick vegan, I'm a little thick. I got some
turkey on my bones, no pun intended, But I mean
the people that know me know to kind of meat.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I like, right, Okay, that meet us called jrk As
can't say that.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That meet us at home?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
How can you be popping out exactly right?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But you know the people who know no, right, I've
been vegan for a very long time and I don't
play about veganism right, like beyond having a business, this
is my lifestyle and who I am. And you know
I told you this before. My mother is Rastafarian, so
I grew up just with a higher level of consciousness
when it came to food. So like, this is for real,
this is who I am.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So that did bother you because I was wondering if
that's something You're just like kind of laugh off.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I feel like zero point five seconds and then okay,
I'm like girl.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Now, we also saw that you were in your lawyer's
office talking about filing for bankruptcy. It's interesting because we
know you've already done it, but we're watching the beforehand, now,
the before you actually file for bankruptcy. Of course, that's
an emotional thing, right because you also know that this
is something that this is your business, this is your baby.
We know how hard you've worked to build a one
(05:50):
hundred million dollar business. Were watch when things kind of spiraled,
and you've been so transparent. That's why we know all this, right,
because you give us the information before we hear about
it somewhere else else. But one thing that was strange
was that you hit this from Derek. You're so transparent
everywhere else, but with your husband, you didn't want him
to know those challenges.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So can you.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Explain that to me? Because he's so supportive. You guys
have a great relationship. He's there for you no matter what.
But this was something you felt like you needed to
do alone.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
So I want to be clear. Derek knew that I
was having challenges, right, He just didn't know about the bankruptcy,
like he understood the dynamic of what was happening in
my business. But my decision to how bankruptcy is a
really big one, right. It's a big one one because
I've always been on this pedal stool as an entrepreneur.
People look up to me, people want to follow in
(06:39):
my footsteps. Right, So there are a lot of people
that have arrived in entrepreneurship because they followed my blueprint, right.
So when I met Derek, I had my own thing
going on, he had his own thing going on. I
was already successful on my own. He was already successful
on his own. So those are the things that attracted
us to each other, you understand, And when you're with
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somebody like that, and the elements that you fell in
love with have now started to change. I didn't want
him to see me in a different light, to be honest, right,
And you know there are some women out here that
will probably say, well, you still should have told your husband. Well,
I didn't tell mine, right, And it is what it is,
and it didn't change the way that he felt about me.
But I want him to see a soldier in his eyes.
You understand what I'm saying. And maybe that's the Jamaican
(07:21):
in me, right, Like I'm always been very independent, and
it could also be a little bit of trauma, okay,
because I've watched my mother work several jobs, get it
on her own, pay all her own bills, not beg
or borrow or ask nobody for anything. And I just
have carried that throughout my whole entire life. And I
feel like I've got myself into this situation and I
want to get myself out of it, and that's not
(07:42):
his problem. Now. Should he support me and be there
for me? Absolutely? And I know that if I fall
on my face, he will scrape me up if I
need him to. So I'm gonna keep him in the
tuck as far as the resources if I needed. But
I already know that he always got my bad. Did
you feel relieved after telling him about it? Because that
was something I was scared, You know, I was. I
(08:04):
was a little nervous. You understand what I'm saying because
also I'm gonna be honest because one thing I don't
do that I don't tell a lie. Like we have
this competitive energy with us in our relationship, Like we
both have these two very successful businesses, right, which I
love the fact that you know that's my business too, right.
So because we have these two successful businesses, it's like
the race to the goal, and that's what keeps our
(08:24):
relationships spicy. It might not make sense to other people,
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
To I think a healthy competition yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, And I just always want him to see me
in that light, that winning light. So in my moment
where I didn't feel like I wasn't winning. Like that
was hard to tell somebody who only sees you in
one aspect of life. And remember, I'm like, I'm this
is my first time getting married, right, Like, I don't
got a book that said what to do? Once you
say I, do you understand what I'm saying? It would
(08:52):
be a great book to write, right, But like the
blueprint that we're following is the one that God gave us. Right,
you understand what I'm saying. So, like, we're gonna make
some hiccup along the way, We're going to have some
challenges along the way. And I pray that people see
our marriage and can make their marriage better or identify
how to do their marriage differently just by watching us.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Now, Angela Oakley was up here the other day, and
you know she works in the space of finance investing.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Don't you say nothing?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay, I'm not okay, But she did say that because
I was like, oh, well, did you and Pinky have
a conversation And she was like, oh, you can't tell
Pinky anything.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
She knows everything. Do you feel like at.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Times that it's hard for you to like because you
have gone through a lot, you are you know, in
the process of going through like this whole thing and
you're teaching us, But then who do you go to
when you need to get advice or learn things?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well, you know, it's interesting because I've done in my
professional career what not. A lot of women who look
like me have been able to do so. A lot
of the times that I fell on my face, I
had to do it by myself. I had to learn
by myself. So I saw the comment when she said
I think I know everything. I don't think I know everything,
but I got a lot of expertise. Okay, I got
(10:02):
a lot of expertise. I know what it feels like
to fail. I know what it feels like to win.
I know what it feels like to raise thirty three
million dollars. I know what it feels like to have
a company value at a hundred million dollars. I know
what it feels like to file bankruptcy. I know what
it feels like to go through a restructure. So I
know a thing or two about entrepreneurship. So I got range. Okay,
So that level of range didn't come from picking up
(10:23):
the phone and talking to a mentor. It came from
actually falling on my face because I didn't have a
lot of people who actually went through that same experience
that I did.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You are a mentor, like you said, to a lot
of people, right, But who do you go to? That's
my point because I feel like maybe it wouldn't be
falling on your face when you're like, okay, let me
figure out. You talk to your lawyer, right, that's somebody
that's kind of therapeutic. Which is so funny that your
lawyer is like your therapist when you get to go
in there and be honest about everything that's going on.
(10:52):
But aside from that, you've never had somebody as.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
The tons of people. Okay, talk to tons of people.
But let me tell you something. God has an assignment
on my life. Okay. Everything that has happened to me
in business, whether I caused it or not, was supposed
to happen. You know why, because that turned into a
testimony that I could teach somebody else. Right. So I've
had all the biggest players around me, and my business
still crumbled to pieces. I've had all the experts around me,
(11:19):
and my business still crumbled to pieces. So you can
have all the mentors in the world all day long
and shout out to the ones that I have because
they're fantastic. Honorable mention to Robert Smith, who when my
business was crumbling, he gave me one point seven million
dollars in three days he let me sell one of
my properties to him in DC. So it pays to
have the right people around you. But when it's your
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time to go through a lesson, no mentor no money,
no nothing can stop that lesson from happening. And that's
what happened to me. And I'm okay, I would not
change a thing that happened along my journey. I'm gonna
tell you why, because if I didn't go through the
things that I went through, there's no way that I
would have been able to create Slutty two point zero
and to start franchising and to see my business differently
(12:00):
and to identify what it is that I need and
what I don't need in business, you know, because one
point oh, I gave the people to business and I
went off and I was Ronald McDonald and I was
just doing interviews and looking pretty. But I realized that
you can't take your eye off the wheel, right. But
it took for me to fall on my face to
learn that, and a mentor didn't tell me that you
understand what I'm saying. So, like, the journey has been
(12:21):
a rough but beautiful one and I'm so happy that
I'm coming out on the other side.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, So now let's talk about this for a second
with the bankruptcy and which is really a restructuring, right,
And what is it that you want to do next?
Because I know now you're trying to I see that
you've been doing the pop ups that have been going crazy, right,
and the lines have been down the block, and I'm like,
that's amazing to see like the response that people give
(12:47):
to you. Because as much as people can like talk crazy,
the truth is when you do a pop up and
get that many people, Yeah, when you get that many
people to come out, it is really also a great
way to see where do we need to go to
next and where is that end? So what do you
plan to do moving forward?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
What I'm planning to do, I'm doing right now franchising. Okay,
it's bloody veganis franchising. I've already closed several deals already. Okay,
here it is nowhere. I can't tell you. Yeah, I
have those announcements yet however, But what I will say
is after all of the thunderstorms and lightning that my
business has gone through, people still want to tap into
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my dream and my vision. So that tells me that
I have a weather proof brand and I'm excited about that.
So like me doing the pop ups, that really is
market research. Like I'm just testing the market to see, Okay,
is this a good fit? Do you want a franchise here?
And we're literally getting like seven franchise requests every day. Wow.
That might not sound like a lot to people who
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don't understand, but that's a lot. So a brand like mine,
who I've had a public restructure, I've had a personal bankruptcy.
To get at least six to seven every single day
from people who are qualified that want to still tap
into my brand tells me that we're still doing something right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Where has been the greatest response while you've been doing
this market research?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Ohio? Okay, Columbus, Columbus and Cleveland. Oh they love me.
Down Columbus.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm going to Ohio for Memorial Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Shout out to Ohio, they are great.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yes to go to y Yellow Spring. Shout out to
my guy Donelle Rawlings yes. Now let me ask you
about this too. Now, we also saw the situation where
the house right was seized by the bank. But they
did that and they weren't supposed to. It wasn't your
primary home. This was an investment property, and it felt
like people were like, aha, you know, I saw a
(14:36):
lot of that online. I feel like a lot of
times we tend to drag each other down. But then
it turned out they didn't do something that they were
supposed to do and the house was returned to you.
Tell me about what you were going through emotionally, because
I know you also have to in your head be
like this is not supposed to be happening, and people
are not understanding, and sometimes it's hard to get people
to understand when things are going viral.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well, you're in real estate, so you get it. We
can have a conversation. You would understand this. So the house,
they actually deemed it abandoned because the tenant wasn't in
there at the time, so they put the locks on
the door. But I don't know that they knew that
I filed for personal bankrupts. Okay, you understand what I'm saying,
which is why I was able to get my house
back so fast, and which is why the creditors they
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had to pay my legal fees because my mortgage was current.
You understand what I'm saying. Okay, And because the grass
wasn't cut because I had a tenant that just moved out.
I got a whole bunch of houses in a portfolio.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know how I go like this house, yeah, I said,
I got these property.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, so you know, like I've been around the block
and back, so like the house, the grass didn't get cut.
And then I didn't realize the mailbox was broken, so
I'm going to assume that's why they changed the locks.
But we went to court in two days and I
got my property back. You know what's interesting, I realized
that the internet loves struggle. Okay, here it is like
this is just one of my investment properties, and they
showing my primary home on and ofnet. I'm like, what
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is going on right? But it just tells me that
like headlines are made up, they are not real.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You did say Tamar reached out and she can't stay
in my townhouse, which is you know, which is amazing
that she actually cared to She didn't really know what
was going on and She saw that and was like,
I want to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Help my friend, but but I need more friends like that. Yeah, right,
because like she she didn't even know what was going on, Like, hey,
if you need somewhere to stay, you know what I'm saying.
But what I realized, everything that has happened to me
has happened for me, especially most recently, right, because here
you have the super entrepreneur who I've done it all
right now, I've been laid on the cross, but my
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skin so thick now. I'm like, I see some of
the headlines and I'll be laughing. I'm like, you don't
even realize. The more that y'all talk, Right, the more
that y'all talk, the more opportunities that I get, the
more money in my pocket, the more my business increases,
the more everything grows. So my lesson to entrepreneurs are
people who are faced with public scrutiny is the negative
ain't always negative. You can always turn that into a positive.
(16:57):
I'm seeing it in real time in my businesses.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But you do.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You have a financial series also with ear and your
leisure that you've been doing. I want to ask you
about a decision that you made that your lawyer was like, oh,
they let you do that being a personal guaranteer on
these loans. Talk to people about what that means and
how things were handling that situation.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Let me put my doctor pinky head please. So first
of all, following when you are an entrepreneur, there are
some requirements that when you open up businesses, you want
to get credit, you want to get these things, you
have to file as a personal guaranteur. Okay, like sometimes
you can't get around it. But there's something like a
good guy clause or something like that, right where you
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can stay on as a guaranteel for like the first
six months, and then they're required to take you off
of that guarantee if you do a good job. Right.
So I wasn't that savvy that time around. I'm just
signing my name on everything, right. I just I never
thought that Sluttyvegan was going to have to go through
a restructure. We're gonna have problems, you got to understand.
For the first six years, I'm having lines down the
box every single rising, right, nobody thinking about failure. So
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I'm like, sure, I'll sign my name so wide. I'm
a Billionaireskay, It's gonna happen for me right. So when
that started to happen, now I gotta get real with myself, like,
oh my goodness, I didn't even realize that I'm the
personal guarantee for this leaset, I'm the personal guarantee for
these credit cards. I'm a personal guarantee for every single
thing in this business. And at this time, it's a corporation. Okay,
(18:22):
So I didn't think that I was on the hook
because it's a corporation. I have investors, I have all
of these people. But what you don't realize is when
you go through a restructure, if they can't get the
money from that estate, they're going to come to the
person that deemed themselves personally responsible, and that.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Was me, and no signing for your own exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And that is why I had to file personally for
bankruptcy because personally, okay, I ain't got the money. Personally, okay,
I have nothing in my name, but I have all
of these creditors coming after me, with all of these
lawsuits from a company that does not even exist. So
now I'm like, I gotta make some tough decisions. And
you know, as on entrepreneurs, you have to cut cancer fast.
(19:02):
You have to and as a good lesson, Yeah, you
have to cut cancer fast. So for the people who
are going through this, if you have to sign as
a personal guaranteur, try to get yourself off of it
in six months. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Now, that is a great lesson.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That's and I'm glad that you also said that personally
you don't have any money, right because there's LLC's. I
was talking about this the other day where Fred who
owns Media Takeout, we were talking about Drew and how
they were saying she only makes X amount of dollars.
But we were discussing how a lot of times money
gets paid to an LLC, it might not personally be
what you make.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It can be that money.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Is there and therefore it doesn't look like you personally
are making well.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You got to understand when you are talent or when
you have been like you become the business.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I know, for me, I have several entities. I have
several businesses. I have Slutdy Vegan, I have bar Vegan,
I have my enterprise company, I have American Sash. I
have all of these things. Those are different vehicles where
money is made, right, So most savvy entrepreneurs really don't
put anything in their personal name, right, They just don't.
It's just the name of the game. So when they
said that, Drew make twelf that. When I saw that,
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I'm like, Okay, that's not right. She's doing what she
needs to. I didn't believe that I can say what
you want to say about the girl. But I can
only imagine that she has other vehicles of revenue coming
in in other entities, So that might be in her
personal name, but I'm sure that she has, if she's smart,
I'm sure that she has several other businesses where she's
getting revenue and collecting and doing what she needs to
do for her family.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
All right, Now, let's pivot away from business for a
second and let's talk the talk.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So you and Faedra, you guys have known each other
for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We've known each other for a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Have you been friends or just known each other? What
is the issue?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I don't know what the issue is with Fadria, And
I'm not about to take up time in this interview
to talk about Fadri because that's not relevant to Well.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm just saying because you guys are on the show together,
and so we see y'all bumping heads with each other.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm bumping. Ain't nothing bumping? Okay, ain't nothing, bumper, she
bumping with herself.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
How have you been feeling about the audience response to
you on there and how saying when you watch that?
Have you watched the episode?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I watch it? Yeah, you know, I think that the
audience is treating me just like they would treat any
new rookie, right, Like you're still trying to figure out, like,
who's this person? Why do we want to like her?
What is it about her? The special? You know, people
don't have their opinions, but I'm not designed to people's opinions, right, So,
like I'm getting good, healthy feedback. A lot of people
(21:29):
like my realness, the real story.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We're seeing that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I've seen a lot of people saying I love her
as an addition to the show because it's real and
it's also relatable and because you give so much of yourself.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
And then there's people it's like she don't fit. I'm like,
I don't fit, and that's why it's the perfect fit.
I'm not fit. Like I don't look like them, I
don't act like them. My energy is different. I'm on
another frequency. But that is exactly why it works amongst
this group, Okay, because if you look at like Old Housewives,
everybody was just quirky and different. Everybody had their own
thing going on, and like, I don't want to be
like nobody else. Okay, I'm not designed to be with
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nobody else. Okay. Like I'm my own person. I got
my own energy, I got my own vibration. And there's
going to be a pocket of people that are gonna
look at me and say, damn, Like I like Pinky
because she's different, and I can I can pay attention
to this because I'm just like that too.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
When you think about your decision to join the cast
and when it was announced, what did people close to
you say and think about it?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Let me tell you what Derek did. Okay, So when
we got down to the end, we sitting in the
office with the executives. Derek pulled out his phone and said, listen,
chat Chad GBT told me not to do this show,
like Pinky don't need to do this show. And I said,
what is wrong with you? He said that yes he did,
and I looked at him and I could have kicked him.
Under his table. But he's just that honest, right, Like
(22:44):
he's just like listen, like you don't need to be honest.
He was like, you don't really need this, Like you
got a successful drive in business. I got a successful
drive in business. But I wanted to do it, and
you know, at the end of the day, he supported me.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Do you feel like you've made friends on there that
you weren't necessarily Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Who do you like the best?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
A couple of them? Love Kay Love Kelly, loves Shamiah,
I love Portia. H Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, who would you like to see from the old
cast come back? Because that's always a conversation that's not
there now.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Nini and Candy. Wow, I've always admired Candy's business acumen.
Okay and me and her together.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh my, can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Wow? We open up thirty businesses and Nini's just funny
to me. I did an interview on her show. I
just think she's funny.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah she is.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I thought she was coming back because of the way
they framed it, but she did like one of the
Bravo shows, like The Trip or whatever. But she's Bravo Royalty,
so it's kind of like, maybe she'll ease her way
back in because I feel like she would want to
do that.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I think that right now, there's a it's a
really good cast right now, but you never know, things
might just shake up.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
How about the kids, how are they adjusting?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Because my daughter, Oh my god, she a superstar, like
you'll see when you watch the episodes, like she is
just a superstar d D. And I'm her mamager and
just like helping her just become the start that she is.
And then the other kids, they don't know what's going on.
They just see all these cameras like where is this, mommy?
But you know, it's exciting. It's just a new world.
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And I'm like, they ain't realize how crazy my family was.
I'm like, this a whole damn spin.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Off right here, family, because I feel like, why we
do see your family some this is a whole nother
different kind of yeah different because we know Pinky the entrepreneur,
But what's Pinky like at home?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
What is she like?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You know, very very light and fun like people don't
real people are now realizing her, like, oh damn, she
actually got a personality. She is not boring. It's not just.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Business all the time, and yeah, this is not boring
to me, So it's not see you would understand that
conversations about that that I was like, let me stop
talking about business this whole time with you even coming
into this group, Like you'll see instances where they're like, Pinky,
here she go again.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
All she do is talk about business. But I'm like,
that's the kind of people that I want to be around,
Like I want to be around people who love to build.
So I think that that probably was the only thing
that was kind of like a shocker to me. Like
Kay and I we talk about business all the time,
and I love that for us, and so do Kelly
and Die. But you also see that like everybody this season,
for the most part, is doing business. Angela, it got
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some business going on. Shamiah got her rum bum, Kelly
got Nana's and navigating through that, and I got Sludy Vegan,
and Kay has put in and her music business and all,
like everybody for the most part has stuff going on.
Drew has her business and all. You know, so like
it's actually really business for it if you ask.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Me, yeah, to focus on because I think sometimes they
don't focus it on as much. What do you think
about Samiah getting into the run business. I know her
husband was apprehensive about it. But as somebody who is
in this field, if you could give her some advice,
what would you say.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I was just asked that question, so the rumbum. I
actually tasted it ten out of ten, probably like the
And I'm not a drinker, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Contrary to Grenada, So I don't imagine phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's fantastic. I love the name, I love the branding,
but I believe that she needs to dive a little
bit deeper in the cost okay, because it all sounds
good in the beginning, until you really got to start
paying the bills. Okay, until you really got to put
stuff on the shelf. And if it's not selling, what
do you do? You got to buy your stuff back
off the shelf. And I think Gerald is super smart.
(26:12):
He's a really good businessman. And I think that the
advice that he gives her is because he has her
best interests at heart. Social Media, listen to your man, okay.
But you know, I will never tell somebody like don't
follow your dreams because there are people that deter me
from mine. So if it don't work at least you tried. Now.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Kelly also was like she had reached out to you.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And obviously you were going through a lot though, and
people have to understand that too, and people sometimes don't
know that you're going through a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But it was devastating for her too because.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
We're watching her business open and then we know in
real life it's you know, she's faced her challenges as well.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Do you guys bond over that we do.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's a lot of trauma bonding happening of a failed
business as child. You know what I like about Kelly
is Kelly like, all right, let's keep it moving right.
Like one thing that all the women do really well
is they know how to just keep going, like it
could be hard today and you just start over tomorrow,
and there's nothing wrong with starting over right, Like she
(27:09):
got the best fried green tomatoes on this side of
the hemisphere, Okay, because that's the only thing that I tasted.
So yeah, she may have closed Sandy Springs, but she's
doing incredibly well in her next location, and she's going
to do even better as she opens up more locations.
And that's the name of the game. I've closed several
locations that don't mean that I'm a failed business woman.
That means that that location didn't work and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, Well, so moving forward now you want to be
you would never do like get the investors like you
did last time, because I know part of it was
also buying your business back and losing that control that
you had over it and letting people kind of paint
their own narrative of what happened. And I know that
had to be like the biggest education ever.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Oh it was so big, you know. I will say
this shout out to Richiliu, Dennis who bought into my
dream and the Danny Meyers and team. I wouldn't be
where I am if it wasn't for them believing in
my dream initially. So I'll never take that away from it.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And let's not forget you got engaged at Essence Fast.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And I got engaged at Essence Fest, so like they
hold a place in my heart that no matter what,
like they believed in my dream when nobody else didn't, Right,
So I'll never take that away from them. What I
will say is if I ever go out and raise
investment again, I'm going to be very critical on who
it is that I decide to do marriage business with.
Does that make sense? Okay? Right? Because when you get investors,
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these are the people that you are locked in forever, okay,
until you decide to sell your business. So there's a
couple of things that you need to look for. You
need to make sure that when all things fall apart,
they're gonna stand right there beside you to help dig
you up out the ground. That's the first thing. The
second thing, you got to make sure that your investors
are quit with the resources that they actually want to share, okay,
because not everybody wants to share resources, but resources that
(28:50):
they actually want to share. And then lastly, finding investors
that actually tap into your already existing vision. I've seen
investors come into businesses and want to change the whole model,
and this is not why you invested in the first place.
You understand what I'm saying. So like, investment is a
beautiful thing. If I could go back and do it
all over again, I would with the information that I
know now, I would absolutely do it, but I would
(29:13):
do it with more valued information, and I would do
it a lot differently.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I feel the school of Pinky coming because this is information,
you know, I'm always trying to figure out like even
the franchise model, which is what you're doing now, you know, yeah,
which is different, and so this is interesting to watch
as your journey is continuing. I hope you get to
see a lot of this, yes on the show this season,
you will, okay, a.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Whole lot of everything, and you'll see Pinky in a
whole nother light, and I think that every entrepreneur in
America will we'll have a reason to watch your Housewives again.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I saw you saying that you like cried all the time,
And is this something that you've always been that way
more emotional or is it something that's more recent because
of all the challenges and things that you've had to
go through.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I never lose a hundred million dollar brand.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Before, have you know?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Okay, so what right? Right? Right? So, like navigating through
that for the first time, and I pray for the
last time has been incredibly hard. So I've always been
a strong friend, so I've tapped into a whole nother
vulnerable side of me and maybe yeah, it was different
for me, but it also showed me that, like, I'm
not perfect, and I'm not striving to be perfect. I'm
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just trying to be perfect in God's eyes, and that's okay.
And I know that I'm going to be a vessel
and I'm going to inspire people around the world, whether
it's on this show or anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I saw somebody do a post about how as black people,
when we do things like file for bankruptcy and things
like that, it gets looked at so different than when
like Grant Cardon is getting lawsuits and doing this and
doing that. One thing you taught me and I've always
remembered this is that losses are a part of being
a business owner. And how hard that is, because even
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for myself, like having to have dealt with that a
couple of times, it is like devastating the first time
you're like, somebody's suing me. I didn't even do anything, yeah,
because you can't get sued for anything, And it's like
it really Like but then I remember when you said,
getting sued is just part of being a business owner.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Especially when people know that you have something to give, Okay,
Like there are people in the world that are actually
sue happy, right, and like by law, you have the
right to go and file a claim if you feel
like following the claim like a hundred people can file
a claim on me today if they wanted to. Yes,
please don't do it. I have enough. But it's just
the name of the game. And the most successful companies,
(31:36):
the most successful entrepreneurs have gotten at least five lawsuits.
And I'm not condoning it. It's not okay, but it's
just real.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And it's also important to know to protect yourself and
you have to have something like that happens.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You have to have a good attorney, always operating best practices.
You know. One of the biggest mistakes that I've made
is a lot of the lawsuits that you've seen about
me and the unpaid wages and all that stuff. I
wasn't even running my company. I'm like, what, Like I'm
learning about it? What the world is learning about it
at the same time, which is why it's so important
to make sure that you have the right people on
your team.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And that's so hard to tell at first too, because
you may think you do and sometimes people are great
at first until they're.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Not until they're not. Yeah, I learned it the hard way,
and it almost cost me my reputation. I'm still fighting
for that.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, because I listen, I went through a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Something popped up on my timeline and it's like I
used to work for Pinky and she was X, Y
and Z And I'm like, but were you talking directly?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, But when your name is on the business and.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yourself got to you gotta take it, which is why
I take full account of it. You gotta take when
things go good, but you want to got to take
it take those things go bad.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I've been nothing but a professional throughout this whole experience,
my bankruptcy, everything that's happened to me. There's a lot
of names that I could say before, what like success
is my best revenge and I'm going to be vindicated
by the hard work that I put in for my
business and it's going to take me where I need
to go.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
How does it affect your home life when the business
isn't going the way that you want it to? Because
I always think that sometimes when things aren't good here,
I could like take it out on my person at home.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
How is that for you?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You know I publicly talked about this, me and me
and Derek went through some rocky patches right Like it
was hard because you know, when I was getting my
rise in business, Derek was supporting me, right, and then
he got his moments and then you know, as much
as I tried to support him, this is when my
business started crumbling. Right. So, like it got tough at home,
(33:26):
to be honest, because like I caved in, I got quiet,
I was stressed, I got depressed, and he like, all right,
what's going on? What's wrong with you? You know what
I'm saying. And you know it caused some traffic in
my marriage, but I think they were finally over that hump.
And the reason why I'm open and vocal about that
is because people don't talk about that side when you
think about business, entrepreneurship and marriages. And I want people
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to know that you could really fight through the hardest
thunderstorms in your marriage and like, no matter what, we're
gonna keep fighting and we're gonna keep swinging to the
wheels fall off. He ain't going nowhere. I'm not going on.
We locked in my skin.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And like you said, you had a period where you
went through a depression. Did you get therapy? Ever, I
didn't get well.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
We have marriage marriage counselor shout out to Montell Jordan,
But I have close people around me, like my managers,
my best friends. You know what I'm saying, like being
there for me and just being a support system. And
that is better than any therapy that you could have
ever paid for. Having people that are going to like
peel you up up off the ground when you're going
(34:28):
through your hardest times. I could not have been sitting
here having this conversation with you if for one for
some of them people.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, I'm glad you have them, and you have Ayana.
You can always call her right well, thank you so much, Pinky.
I appreciate you. You know, I'm locked in when I
saw and I knew for a long time you were
because it was all those little rumors floating around and
I felt like Derek confirmed it when I kind of
lightweight brought it up and he was like, you got
(34:53):
to ask her. I was like that, I said yes,
because you would say here we are, and here we are.
So I'm locked in and you're part of the reason why.
So kudos to you for that. You know, I'm always
cheering you on. You know, I go to Sluddy Vegan
in Brooklyn, you know, so I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I appreciate you and I'm proud of you too.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Thank you we way up,
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
His way up for Angelae yee? And look as who
looking fabulous today?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Pinky call is here?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hello, I look like this my second home.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well I love that for us. But things are so
different now.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We got like a million things going on with you, Pinky.
We do, yes, I mean you'res of Atlanta now I am.
Last time my son was just a rumor, and you know,
I pressed Derek about it and he was like her yeah,
and that's how I knew it was true. But but
how are you feeling? I mean, so far three episodes
have aired, we're getting ready for episode four to come on.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How are you feeling about the looks?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I feel good. Have you watched it? Girl?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Of course I have.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Okay, So I let me tell you and I'm going
to ask you a question. I count a question. So
I feel good because it's definitely something new for me.
You know, people know me for having Slutty Vegan, they
know me for being an entrepreneur and doing all these things.
So like being in front of the camera is like
definitely something different.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Because you're used to being behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You used to produce it. I used to being behind
the scenes more it takes my life exactly. So to
be in front of the camera and like showing my
real life. And I've known you for a long time
since you've seen every single layer of it, So to
show my real life, it's definitely different. What do you
think about it?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh Man?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
But so, first of all, I want to say, when
I found out you were joining, it's two different things.
I feel right on one end, I'm like, Pinky, You've
always been like living out loud, being really vulnerable and honest.
And I feel like people know you as Slutty Vegan.
Everybody knows you. You say Pinky Cold, It's not like
who is that? Who is It's Pinky Cold from Slutty Vegan.
(01:39):
Everybody knows you, know your story about love. You've been
really honest and transparent. Sometimes I feel like things get
scripted on reality TV because there's no way to not
script certain situations.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So I was just wondering, like, how is this gonna gel?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Because I also know that controversy sells too, and so
I'm like, where's Pinky gonna end up? Because I know
you're not going to hold back. At the same time, yeah,
I think I gave up a little too much.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean, but people can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But then also it is your real life, and so
it's not easy to see people weighing in on things
as they really are happening.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, you know, because everything is happening in real time.
I really just block out the noise. It is a
very sacred practice to block out negative energy, you know
what I'm saying, because like I've already done so many
great things in my career. Nobody could ever erase all
the great things that I've done, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So you know, you know, it's interesting also because when
somebody was asking me, I had a conversation the other day.
They're like, do you think Pinky should have gone on
Reality TV? And I'm like, you know, the thing about
Pinky is that something happens and she's gonna come out
and tell you why it happened, break it down for you,
explain it to you. And that is exactly what you've
been doing. And like you said, you've been blocking out
(02:50):
the noise. I mean that bankruptcy video where you had
to give the ABC's viral so what he went to
extremely viral, and you know, in the way that it is,
some people applaud you and some people are like, what's
wrong with her?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, if they're not talking about you, then you ain't
doing something, Okay, So let the people talk. And you know,
like when I first started Slutty Vegan, they said, don't
start sledty Vegan. People ain't gonna buy vegan burgers. And
I built a hundred million dollar brand.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And people said slutty, who's gonna who's gonna?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, now, old people, young people, white people, black people
don't matter. People love my brand. So I'm always intentional
with everything that I do. Coming on the show was
a really good opportunity to just be open and honest
about my life as an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know what, you're an entrepreneur too, and shout out
to me, thank you. Yes, right, but you know it's
South Florida. Okay, I'm having a coffee in there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But you know, as an entrepreneur, like you don't really
get a lot of examples of people who are really
going through challenges and changes in business. Everybody show up
with the lights. Everybody show up and it's beautiful. Nobody
really tells you the real You get it like two percent.
But I want it to be that person to show
you the highs and the lows. I've come on this
show several times, and the other times i've come on
(04:00):
the show, I talked about all of my accolades, all
the great things that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But you've also talked about the struggles you've.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Had exactly, and we need more of that as entrepreneurs.
So I know that it may seem like a platform
that you wouldn't typically see a pinky col on talking
about her struggles and business. But I'm like, let me
do something different, because I could be saving lives in
real time and really just embarking on a new journey
while doing it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Because I watched the show, of course, I gotta dig in.
So what's happening on the show?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Number one, they try to say that you eat meat,
and that turned into a whole thing. What's I thought,
what's just amusing? I didn't think it was anything because
there's always these little things they say, like, well, you
know she eat meat, Well, you know, I don't seeing her.
You know, how do you respond to something like that
or do you.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, first of all, it bothered me at first, but
then after a while, I'm like, all right, yeah, I'm
a thick vegan, I'm a little thick. I got some
turkey on my bones, no pun intended, But I mean
the people that know me know to kind of meat.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I like, right, Okay, that meet us called jrk As
can't say that.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That meet us at home?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
How can you be popping out exactly right?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But you know the people who know no, right, I've
been vegan for a very long time and I don't
play about veganism right, like beyond having a business, this
is my lifestyle and who I am. And you know
I told you this before. My mother is Rastafarian, so
I grew up just with a higher level of consciousness
when it came to food. So like, this is for real,
this is who I am.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So that did bother you because I was wondering if
that's something You're just like kind of laugh off.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I feel like zero point five seconds and then okay,
I'm like girl.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Now, we also saw that you were in your lawyer's
office talking about filing for bankruptcy. It's interesting because we
know you've already done it, but we're watching the beforehand, now,
the before you actually file for bankruptcy. Of course, that's
an emotional thing, right because you also know that this
is something that this is your business, this is your baby.
We know how hard you've worked to build a one
(05:50):
hundred million dollar business. Were watch when things kind of spiraled,
and you've been so transparent. That's why we know all this, right,
because you give us the information before we hear about
it somewhere else else. But one thing that was strange
was that you hit this from Derek. You're so transparent
everywhere else, but with your husband, you didn't want him
to know those challenges.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So can you.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Explain that to me? Because he's so supportive. You guys
have a great relationship. He's there for you no matter what.
But this was something you felt like you needed to
do alone.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
So I want to be clear. Derek knew that I
was having challenges, right, He just didn't know about the bankruptcy,
like he understood the dynamic of what was happening in
my business. But my decision to how bankruptcy is a
really big one, right. It's a big one one because
I've always been on this pedal stool as an entrepreneur.
People look up to me, people want to follow in
(06:39):
my footsteps. Right, So there are a lot of people
that have arrived in entrepreneurship because they followed my blueprint, right.
So when I met Derek, I had my own thing
going on, he had his own thing going on. I
was already successful on my own. He was already successful
on his own. So those are the things that attracted
us to each other, you understand, And when you're with
(06:59):
somebody like that, and the elements that you fell in
love with have now started to change. I didn't want
him to see me in a different light, to be honest, right,
And you know there are some women out here that
will probably say, well, you still should have told your husband. Well,
I didn't tell mine, right, And it is what it is,
and it didn't change the way that he felt about me.
But I want him to see a soldier in his eyes.
You understand what I'm saying. And maybe that's the Jamaican
(07:21):
in me, right, Like I'm always been very independent, and
it could also be a little bit of trauma, okay,
because I've watched my mother work several jobs, get it
on her own, pay all her own bills, not beg
or borrow or ask nobody for anything. And I just
have carried that throughout my whole entire life. And I
feel like I've got myself into this situation and I
want to get myself out of it, and that's not
(07:42):
his problem. Now. Should he support me and be there
for me? Absolutely? And I know that if I fall
on my face, he will scrape me up if I
need him to. So I'm gonna keep him in the
tuck as far as the resources if I needed. But
I already know that he always got my bad. Did
you feel relieved after telling him about it? Because that
was something I was scared, You know, I was. I
(08:04):
was a little nervous. You understand what I'm saying because
also I'm gonna be honest because one thing I don't
do that I don't tell a lie. Like we have
this competitive energy with us in our relationship, Like we
both have these two very successful businesses, right, which I
love the fact that you know that's my business too, right.
So because we have these two successful businesses, it's like
the race to the goal, and that's what keeps our
(08:24):
relationships spicy. It might not make sense to other people,
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
To I think a healthy competition yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, And I just always want him to see me
in that light, that winning light. So in my moment
where I didn't feel like I wasn't winning. Like that
was hard to tell somebody who only sees you in
one aspect of life. And remember, I'm like, I'm this
is my first time getting married, right, Like, I don't
got a book that said what to do? Once you
say I, do you understand what I'm saying? It would
(08:52):
be a great book to write, right, But like the
blueprint that we're following is the one that God gave us. Right,
you understand what I'm saying. So, like, we're gonna make
some hiccup along the way, We're going to have some
challenges along the way. And I pray that people see
our marriage and can make their marriage better or identify
how to do their marriage differently just by watching us.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Now, Angela Oakley was up here the other day, and
you know she works in the space of finance investing.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Don't you say nothing?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay, I'm not okay, But she did say that because
I was like, oh, well, did you and Pinky have
a conversation And she was like, oh, you can't tell
Pinky anything.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
She knows everything. Do you feel like at.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Times that it's hard for you to like because you
have gone through a lot, you are you know, in
the process of going through like this whole thing and
you're teaching us, But then who do you go to
when you need to get advice or learn things?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well, you know, it's interesting because I've done in my
professional career what not. A lot of women who look
like me have been able to do so. A lot
of the times that I fell on my face, I
had to do it by myself. I had to learn
by myself. So I saw the comment when she said
I think I know everything. I don't think I know everything,
but I got a lot of expertise. Okay, I got
(10:02):
a lot of expertise. I know what it feels like
to fail. I know what it feels like to win.
I know what it feels like to raise thirty three
million dollars. I know what it feels like to have
a company value at a hundred million dollars. I know
what it feels like to file bankruptcy. I know what
it feels like to go through a restructure. So I
know a thing or two about entrepreneurship. So I got range. Okay,
So that level of range didn't come from picking up
(10:23):
the phone and talking to a mentor. It came from
actually falling on my face because I didn't have a
lot of people who actually went through that same experience
that I did.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You are a mentor, like you said, to a lot
of people, right, But who do you go to? That's
my point because I feel like maybe it wouldn't be
falling on your face when you're like, okay, let me
figure out. You talk to your lawyer, right, that's somebody
that's kind of therapeutic. Which is so funny that your
lawyer is like your therapist when you get to go
in there and be honest about everything that's going on.
(10:52):
But aside from that, you've never had somebody as.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
The tons of people. Okay, talk to tons of people.
But let me tell you something. God has an assignment
on my life. Okay. Everything that has happened to me
in business, whether I caused it or not, was supposed
to happen. You know why, because that turned into a
testimony that I could teach somebody else. Right. So I've
had all the biggest players around me, and my business
still crumbled to pieces. I've had all the experts around me,
(11:19):
and my business still crumbled to pieces. So you can
have all the mentors in the world all day long
and shout out to the ones that I have because
they're fantastic. Honorable mention to Robert Smith, who when my
business was crumbling, he gave me one point seven million
dollars in three days he let me sell one of
my properties to him in DC. So it pays to
have the right people around you. But when it's your
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time to go through a lesson, no mentor no money,
no nothing can stop that lesson from happening. And that's
what happened to me. And I'm okay, I would not
change a thing that happened along my journey. I'm gonna
tell you why, because if I didn't go through the
things that I went through, there's no way that I
would have been able to create Slutty two point zero
and to start franchising and to see my business differently
(12:00):
and to identify what it is that I need and
what I don't need in business, you know, because one
point oh, I gave the people to business and I
went off and I was Ronald McDonald and I was
just doing interviews and looking pretty. But I realized that
you can't take your eye off the wheel, right. But
it took for me to fall on my face to
learn that, and a mentor didn't tell me that you
understand what I'm saying. So, like, the journey has been
(12:21):
a rough but beautiful one and I'm so happy that
I'm coming out on the other side.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, So now let's talk about this for a second
with the bankruptcy and which is really a restructuring, right,
And what is it that you want to do next?
Because I know now you're trying to I see that
you've been doing the pop ups that have been going crazy, right,
and the lines have been down the block, and I'm like,
that's amazing to see like the response that people give
(12:47):
to you. Because as much as people can like talk crazy,
the truth is when you do a pop up and
get that many people, Yeah, when you get that many
people to come out, it is really also a great
way to see where do we need to go to
next and where is that end? So what do you
plan to do moving forward?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
What I'm planning to do, I'm doing right now franchising. Okay,
it's bloody veganis franchising. I've already closed several deals already. Okay,
here it is nowhere. I can't tell you. Yeah, I
have those announcements yet however, But what I will say
is after all of the thunderstorms and lightning that my
business has gone through, people still want to tap into
(13:24):
my dream and my vision. So that tells me that
I have a weather proof brand and I'm excited about that.
So like me doing the pop ups, that really is
market research. Like I'm just testing the market to see, Okay,
is this a good fit? Do you want a franchise here?
And we're literally getting like seven franchise requests every day. Wow.
That might not sound like a lot to people who
(13:45):
don't understand, but that's a lot. So a brand like mine,
who I've had a public restructure, I've had a personal bankruptcy.
To get at least six to seven every single day
from people who are qualified that want to still tap
into my brand tells me that we're still doing something right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Where has been the greatest response while you've been doing
this market research?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Ohio? Okay, Columbus, Columbus and Cleveland. Oh they love me.
Down Columbus.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm going to Ohio for Memorial Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Shout out to Ohio, they are great.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yes to go to y Yellow Spring. Shout out to
my guy Donelle Rawlings yes. Now let me ask you
about this too. Now, we also saw the situation where
the house right was seized by the bank. But they
did that and they weren't supposed to. It wasn't your
primary home. This was an investment property, and it felt
like people were like, aha, you know, I saw a
(14:36):
lot of that online. I feel like a lot of
times we tend to drag each other down. But then
it turned out they didn't do something that they were
supposed to do and the house was returned to you.
Tell me about what you were going through emotionally, because
I know you also have to in your head be
like this is not supposed to be happening, and people
are not understanding, and sometimes it's hard to get people
to understand when things are going viral.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well, you're in real estate, so you get it. We
can have a conversation. You would understand this. So the house,
they actually deemed it abandoned because the tenant wasn't in
there at the time, so they put the locks on
the door. But I don't know that they knew that
I filed for personal bankrupts. Okay, you understand what I'm saying,
which is why I was able to get my house
back so fast, and which is why the creditors they
(15:17):
had to pay my legal fees because my mortgage was current.
You understand what I'm saying. Okay, And because the grass
wasn't cut because I had a tenant that just moved out.
I got a whole bunch of houses in a portfolio.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know how I go like this house, yeah, I said,
I got these property.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, so you know, like I've been around the block
and back, so like the house, the grass didn't get cut.
And then I didn't realize the mailbox was broken, so
I'm going to assume that's why they changed the locks.
But we went to court in two days and I
got my property back. You know what's interesting, I realized
that the internet loves struggle. Okay, here it is like
this is just one of my investment properties, and they
showing my primary home on and ofnet. I'm like, what
(15:57):
is going on right? But it just tells me that
like headlines are made up, they are not real.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You did say Tamar reached out and she can't stay
in my townhouse, which is you know, which is amazing
that she actually cared to She didn't really know what
was going on and She saw that and was like,
I want to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Help my friend, but but I need more friends like that. Yeah, right,
because like she she didn't even know what was going on, Like, hey,
if you need somewhere to stay, you know what I'm saying.
But what I realized, everything that has happened to me
has happened for me, especially most recently, right, because here
you have the super entrepreneur who I've done it all
right now, I've been laid on the cross, but my
(16:35):
skin so thick now. I'm like, I see some of
the headlines and I'll be laughing. I'm like, you don't
even realize. The more that y'all talk, Right, the more
that y'all talk, the more opportunities that I get, the
more money in my pocket, the more my business increases,
the more everything grows. So my lesson to entrepreneurs are
people who are faced with public scrutiny is the negative
ain't always negative. You can always turn that into a positive.
(16:57):
I'm seeing it in real time in my businesses.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But you do.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You have a financial series also with ear and your
leisure that you've been doing. I want to ask you
about a decision that you made that your lawyer was like, oh,
they let you do that being a personal guaranteer on
these loans. Talk to people about what that means and
how things were handling that situation.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Let me put my doctor pinky head please. So first
of all, following when you are an entrepreneur, there are
some requirements that when you open up businesses, you want
to get credit, you want to get these things, you
have to file as a personal guaranteur. Okay, like sometimes
you can't get around it. But there's something like a
good guy clause or something like that, right where you
(17:39):
can stay on as a guaranteel for like the first
six months, and then they're required to take you off
of that guarantee if you do a good job. Right.
So I wasn't that savvy that time around. I'm just
signing my name on everything, right. I just I never
thought that Sluttyvegan was going to have to go through
a restructure. We're gonna have problems, you got to understand.
For the first six years, I'm having lines down the
box every single rising, right, nobody thinking about failure. So
(18:01):
I'm like, sure, I'll sign my name so wide. I'm
a Billionaireskay, It's gonna happen for me right. So when
that started to happen, now I gotta get real with myself, like,
oh my goodness, I didn't even realize that I'm the
personal guarantee for this leaset, I'm the personal guarantee for
these credit cards. I'm a personal guarantee for every single
thing in this business. And at this time, it's a corporation. Okay,
(18:22):
So I didn't think that I was on the hook
because it's a corporation. I have investors, I have all
of these people. But what you don't realize is when
you go through a restructure, if they can't get the
money from that estate, they're going to come to the
person that deemed themselves personally responsible, and that.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Was me, and no signing for your own exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And that is why I had to file personally for
bankruptcy because personally, okay, I ain't got the money. Personally, okay,
I have nothing in my name, but I have all
of these creditors coming after me, with all of these
lawsuits from a company that does not even exist. So
now I'm like, I gotta make some tough decisions. And
you know, as on entrepreneurs, you have to cut cancer fast.
(19:02):
You have to and as a good lesson, Yeah, you
have to cut cancer fast. So for the people who
are going through this, if you have to sign as
a personal guaranteur, try to get yourself off of it
in six months. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Now, that is a great lesson.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
That's and I'm glad that you also said that personally
you don't have any money, right because there's LLC's. I
was talking about this the other day where Fred who
owns Media Takeout, we were talking about Drew and how
they were saying she only makes X amount of dollars.
But we were discussing how a lot of times money
gets paid to an LLC, it might not personally be
what you make.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It can be that money.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Is there and therefore it doesn't look like you personally
are making well.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You got to understand when you are talent or when
you have been like you become the business.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I know, for me, I have several entities. I have
several businesses. I have Slutdy Vegan, I have bar Vegan,
I have my enterprise company, I have American Sash. I
have all of these things. Those are different vehicles where
money is made, right, So most savvy entrepreneurs really don't
put anything in their personal name, right, They just don't.
It's just the name of the game. So when they
said that, Drew make twelf that. When I saw that,
(20:07):
I'm like, Okay, that's not right. She's doing what she
needs to. I didn't believe that I can say what
you want to say about the girl. But I can
only imagine that she has other vehicles of revenue coming
in in other entities, So that might be in her
personal name, but I'm sure that she has, if she's smart,
I'm sure that she has several other businesses where she's
getting revenue and collecting and doing what she needs to
do for her family.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
All right, Now, let's pivot away from business for a
second and let's talk the talk.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So you and Faedra, you guys have known each other
for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We've known each other for a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Have you been friends or just known each other? What
is the issue?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I don't know what the issue is with Fadria, And
I'm not about to take up time in this interview
to talk about Fadri because that's not relevant to Well.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm just saying because you guys are on the show together,
and so we see y'all bumping heads with each other.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm bumping. Ain't nothing bumping? Okay, ain't nothing, bumper, she
bumping with herself.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
How have you been feeling about the audience response to
you on there and how saying when you watch that?
Have you watched the episode?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I watch it? Yeah, you know, I think that the
audience is treating me just like they would treat any
new rookie, right, Like you're still trying to figure out, like,
who's this person? Why do we want to like her?
What is it about her? The special? You know, people
don't have their opinions, but I'm not designed to people's opinions, right, So,
like I'm getting good, healthy feedback. A lot of people
(21:29):
like my realness, the real story.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We're seeing that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I've seen a lot of people saying I love her
as an addition to the show because it's real and
it's also relatable and because you give so much of yourself.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
And then there's people it's like she don't fit. I'm like,
I don't fit, and that's why it's the perfect fit.
I'm not fit. Like I don't look like them, I
don't act like them. My energy is different. I'm on
another frequency. But that is exactly why it works amongst
this group, Okay, because if you look at like Old Housewives,
everybody was just quirky and different. Everybody had their own
thing going on, and like, I don't want to be
like nobody else. Okay, I'm not designed to be with
(22:00):
nobody else. Okay. Like I'm my own person. I got
my own energy, I got my own vibration. And there's
going to be a pocket of people that are gonna
look at me and say, damn, Like I like Pinky
because she's different, and I can I can pay attention
to this because I'm just like that too.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
When you think about your decision to join the cast
and when it was announced, what did people close to
you say and think about it?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Let me tell you what Derek did. Okay, So when
we got down to the end, we sitting in the
office with the executives. Derek pulled out his phone and said, listen,
chat Chad GBT told me not to do this show,
like Pinky don't need to do this show. And I said,
what is wrong with you? He said that yes he did,
and I looked at him and I could have kicked him.
Under his table. But he's just that honest, right, Like
(22:44):
he's just like listen, like you don't need to be honest.
He was like, you don't really need this, Like you
got a successful drive in business. I got a successful
drive in business. But I wanted to do it, and
you know, at the end of the day, he supported me.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Do you feel like you've made friends on there that
you weren't necessarily Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Who do you like the best?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
A couple of them? Love Kay Love Kelly, loves Shamiah,
I love Portia. H Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, who would you like to see from the old
cast come back? Because that's always a conversation that's not
there now.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Nini and Candy. Wow, I've always admired Candy's business acumen.
Okay and me and her together.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh my, can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Wow? We open up thirty businesses and Nini's just funny
to me. I did an interview on her show. I
just think she's funny.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah she is.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I thought she was coming back because of the way
they framed it, but she did like one of the
Bravo shows, like The Trip or whatever. But she's Bravo Royalty,
so it's kind of like, maybe she'll ease her way
back in because I feel like she would want to
do that.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I think that right now, there's a it's a
really good cast right now, but you never know, things
might just shake up.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
How about the kids, how are they adjusting?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Because my daughter, Oh my god, she a superstar, like
you'll see when you watch the episodes, like she is
just a superstar d D. And I'm her mamager and
just like helping her just become the start that she is.
And then the other kids, they don't know what's going on.
They just see all these cameras like where is this, mommy?
But you know, it's exciting. It's just a new world.
(24:09):
And I'm like, they ain't realize how crazy my family was.
I'm like, this a whole damn spin.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Off right here, family, because I feel like, why we
do see your family some this is a whole nother
different kind of yeah different because we know Pinky the entrepreneur,
But what's Pinky like at home?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
What is she like?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You know, very very light and fun like people don't
real people are now realizing her, like, oh damn, she
actually got a personality. She is not boring. It's not just.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Business all the time, and yeah, this is not boring
to me, So it's not see you would understand that
conversations about that that I was like, let me stop
talking about business this whole time with you even coming
into this group, Like you'll see instances where they're like, Pinky,
here she go again.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
All she do is talk about business. But I'm like,
that's the kind of people that I want to be around,
Like I want to be around people who love to build.
So I think that that probably was the only thing
that was kind of like a shocker to me. Like
Kay and I we talk about business all the time,
and I love that for us, and so do Kelly
and Die. But you also see that like everybody this season,
for the most part, is doing business. Angela, it got
(25:08):
some business going on. Shamiah got her rum bum, Kelly
got Nana's and navigating through that, and I got Sludy Vegan,
and Kay has put in and her music business and all,
like everybody for the most part has stuff going on.
Drew has her business and all. You know, so like
it's actually really business for it if you ask.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Me, yeah, to focus on because I think sometimes they
don't focus it on as much. What do you think
about Samiah getting into the run business. I know her
husband was apprehensive about it. But as somebody who is
in this field, if you could give her some advice,
what would you say.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I was just asked that question, so the rumbum. I
actually tasted it ten out of ten, probably like the
And I'm not a drinker, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Contrary to Grenada, So I don't imagine phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's fantastic. I love the name, I love the branding,
but I believe that she needs to dive a little
bit deeper in the cost okay, because it all sounds
good in the beginning, until you really got to start
paying the bills. Okay, until you really got to put
stuff on the shelf. And if it's not selling, what
do you do? You got to buy your stuff back
off the shelf. And I think Gerald is super smart.
(26:12):
He's a really good businessman. And I think that the
advice that he gives her is because he has her
best interests at heart. Social Media, listen to your man, okay.
But you know, I will never tell somebody like don't
follow your dreams because there are people that deter me
from mine. So if it don't work at least you tried. Now.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Kelly also was like she had reached out to you.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And obviously you were going through a lot though, and
people have to understand that too, and people sometimes don't
know that you're going through a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But it was devastating for her too because.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
We're watching her business open and then we know in
real life it's you know, she's faced her challenges as well.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Do you guys bond over that we do.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's a lot of trauma bonding happening of a failed
business as child. You know what I like about Kelly
is Kelly like, all right, let's keep it moving right.
Like one thing that all the women do really well
is they know how to just keep going, like it
could be hard today and you just start over tomorrow,
and there's nothing wrong with starting over right, Like she
(27:09):
got the best fried green tomatoes on this side of
the hemisphere, Okay, because that's the only thing that I tasted.
So yeah, she may have closed Sandy Springs, but she's
doing incredibly well in her next location, and she's going
to do even better as she opens up more locations.
And that's the name of the game. I've closed several
locations that don't mean that I'm a failed business woman.
That means that that location didn't work and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, Well, so moving forward now you want to be
you would never do like get the investors like you
did last time, because I know part of it was
also buying your business back and losing that control that
you had over it and letting people kind of paint
their own narrative of what happened. And I know that
had to be like the biggest education ever.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Oh it was so big, you know. I will say
this shout out to Richiliu, Dennis who bought into my
dream and the Danny Meyers and team. I wouldn't be
where I am if it wasn't for them believing in
my dream initially. So I'll never take that away from it.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And let's not forget you got engaged at Essence Fast.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And I got engaged at Essence Fest, so like they
hold a place in my heart that no matter what,
like they believed in my dream when nobody else didn't, Right,
So I'll never take that away from them. What I
will say is if I ever go out and raise
investment again, I'm going to be very critical on who
it is that I decide to do marriage business with.
Does that make sense? Okay? Right? Because when you get investors,
(28:28):
these are the people that you are locked in forever, okay,
until you decide to sell your business. So there's a
couple of things that you need to look for. You
need to make sure that when all things fall apart,
they're gonna stand right there beside you to help dig
you up out the ground. That's the first thing. The
second thing, you got to make sure that your investors
are quit with the resources that they actually want to share, okay,
because not everybody wants to share resources, but resources that
(28:50):
they actually want to share. And then lastly, finding investors
that actually tap into your already existing vision. I've seen
investors come into businesses and want to change the whole model,
and this is not why you invested in the first place.
You understand what I'm saying. So like, investment is a
beautiful thing. If I could go back and do it
all over again, I would with the information that I
know now, I would absolutely do it, but I would
(29:13):
do it with more valued information, and I would do
it a lot differently.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I feel the school of Pinky coming because this is information,
you know, I'm always trying to figure out like even
the franchise model, which is what you're doing now, you know, yeah,
which is different, and so this is interesting to watch
as your journey is continuing. I hope you get to
see a lot of this, yes on the show this season,
you will, okay, a.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Whole lot of everything, and you'll see Pinky in a
whole nother light, and I think that every entrepreneur in
America will we'll have a reason to watch your Housewives again.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I saw you saying that you like cried all the time,
And is this something that you've always been that way
more emotional or is it something that's more recent because
of all the challenges and things that you've had to
go through.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I never lose a hundred million dollar brand.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Before, have you know?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Okay, so what right? Right? Right? So, like navigating through
that for the first time, and I pray for the
last time has been incredibly hard. So I've always been
a strong friend, so I've tapped into a whole nother
vulnerable side of me and maybe yeah, it was different
for me, but it also showed me that, like, I'm
not perfect, and I'm not striving to be perfect. I'm
(30:24):
just trying to be perfect in God's eyes, and that's okay.
And I know that I'm going to be a vessel
and I'm going to inspire people around the world, whether
it's on this show or anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I saw somebody do a post about how as black people,
when we do things like file for bankruptcy and things
like that, it gets looked at so different than when
like Grant Cardon is getting lawsuits and doing this and
doing that. One thing you taught me and I've always
remembered this is that losses are a part of being
a business owner. And how hard that is, because even
(30:53):
for myself, like having to have dealt with that a
couple of times, it is like devastating the first time
you're like, somebody's suing me. I didn't even do anything, yeah,
because you can't get sued for anything, And it's like
it really Like but then I remember when you said,
getting sued is just part of being a business owner.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Especially when people know that you have something to give, Okay,
Like there are people in the world that are actually
sue happy, right, and like by law, you have the
right to go and file a claim if you feel
like following the claim like a hundred people can file
a claim on me today if they wanted to. Yes,
please don't do it. I have enough. But it's just
the name of the game. And the most successful companies,
(31:36):
the most successful entrepreneurs have gotten at least five lawsuits.
And I'm not condoning it. It's not okay, but it's
just real.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And it's also important to know to protect yourself and
you have to have something like that happens.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You have to have a good attorney, always operating best practices.
You know. One of the biggest mistakes that I've made
is a lot of the lawsuits that you've seen about
me and the unpaid wages and all that stuff. I
wasn't even running my company. I'm like, what, Like I'm
learning about it? What the world is learning about it
at the same time, which is why it's so important
to make sure that you have the right people on
your team.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And that's so hard to tell at first too, because
you may think you do and sometimes people are great
at first until they're.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Not until they're not. Yeah, I learned it the hard way,
and it almost cost me my reputation. I'm still fighting
for that.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, because I listen, I went through a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Something popped up on my timeline and it's like I
used to work for Pinky and she was X, Y
and Z And I'm like, but were you talking directly?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, But when your name is on the business and.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yourself got to you gotta take it, which is why
I take full account of it. You gotta take when
things go good, but you want to got to take
it take those things go bad.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I've been nothing but a professional throughout this whole experience,
my bankruptcy, everything that's happened to me. There's a lot
of names that I could say before, what like success
is my best revenge and I'm going to be vindicated
by the hard work that I put in for my
business and it's going to take me where I need
to go.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
How does it affect your home life when the business
isn't going the way that you want it to? Because
I always think that sometimes when things aren't good here,
I could like take it out on my person at home.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
How is that for you?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You know I publicly talked about this, me and me
and Derek went through some rocky patches right Like it
was hard because you know, when I was getting my
rise in business, Derek was supporting me, right, and then
he got his moments and then you know, as much
as I tried to support him, this is when my
business started crumbling. Right. So, like it got tough at home,
(33:26):
to be honest, because like I caved in, I got quiet,
I was stressed, I got depressed, and he like, all right,
what's going on? What's wrong with you? You know what
I'm saying. And you know it caused some traffic in
my marriage, but I think they were finally over that hump.
And the reason why I'm open and vocal about that
is because people don't talk about that side when you
think about business, entrepreneurship and marriages. And I want people
(33:49):
to know that you could really fight through the hardest
thunderstorms in your marriage and like, no matter what, we're
gonna keep fighting and we're gonna keep swinging to the
wheels fall off. He ain't going nowhere. I'm not going on.
We locked in my skin.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And like you said, you had a period where you
went through a depression. Did you get therapy? Ever, I
didn't get well.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
We have marriage marriage counselor shout out to Montell Jordan,
But I have close people around me, like my managers,
my best friends. You know what I'm saying, like being
there for me and just being a support system. And
that is better than any therapy that you could have
ever paid for. Having people that are going to like
peel you up up off the ground when you're going
(34:28):
through your hardest times. I could not have been sitting
here having this conversation with you if for one for
some of them people.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, I'm glad you have them, and you have Ayana.
You can always call her right well, thank you so much, Pinky.
I appreciate you. You know, I'm locked in when I
saw and I knew for a long time you were
because it was all those little rumors floating around and
I felt like Derek confirmed it when I kind of
lightweight brought it up and he was like, you got
(34:53):
to ask her. I was like that, I said yes,
because you would say here we are, and here we are.
So I'm locked in and you're part of the reason why.
So kudos to you for that. You know, I'm always
cheering you on. You know, I go to Sluddy Vegan
in Brooklyn, you know, so I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I appreciate you and I'm proud of you too.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Thank you we way up,
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