March 26, 2026 • 56 mins
Shyne Opens Up: New Album, Memoir, Prison, BETs, Brandy Drama & Life Lessons + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
His way up for Angela Yee And to clarify this
interview has been in the books for quite some time.
The honor of us Shine is here. Who knew that
all this was going to happen?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh what big Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I have on my flat wish, you know, shout out
to we are Flatbush because I'm from Flatbush?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Is that your brand?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm just listening. Those are my guys, Yeah, Flatbush.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm supposed to go live with them when I come
back for the show, because I'll come back like a
few weeks before the show.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay good.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I met them online. They're amazing, and then they actually
came through to give me.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I actually grew up with them. I went to school
with them. You did, one of the guys, Popy.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I think which school did you went to?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well? I went. I got kicked out all the school.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Because I went to PS two thirty five.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I went to PS ninety two. I went to Grady.
I went to La Fiat.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Wow, you went to Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I went to mid She said.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I want to go to Midwood so bad. When I
was younger, my mom went to Erasmus. My dad went
to Brooklyn Man, So yeah, I grew up right there,
which is King's Theatre's right Byron.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I grew up Church Avenue. That was like the
that's the family location where all of us immigrated to.
And then we branched out and so we moved to Wingate,
Winthrope and Hawthorne, and then we moved over to Little Haiti.
What is Little Haiti? Now? Newkirk and Flatbush?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
How flat Bushsness Prospect, Leffards Gardens.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You know, they've just changed.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
When I was growing up, I always wanted to live
and this is very Brooklyn talk. I've always wanted to
live in Ditmis Park where they had those huge houses.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The huge houses. Well, you would have to walk from
Newkirk Foster Flatbush to go to Ditness. You would have
to walk through those houses. I went to Mom talk to.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I went to poly Prep. So I went to private
school and I.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Went I went to Epiphany.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I didn't even know it was this many schools. How
long were you in high schooling?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well? No, no, no, this is like through primary.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Okay, listen, I watched your Honorable Shane documentary on Hulu.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
He was a wild child back then.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I definitely was an urban child, single parent, household at risk.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, and I want to say that seeing your mom
on there because you know I was at that time
just watching everything unfold when Shane got signed. You know,
we don't know that full story until we see the documentary.
We don't think about everything that you went through. But
your family who was supporting you, especially your mom at
that time, who wanted you to have this amazing life.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
How she must have felt.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You know, when you went through everything that you did,
getting arrested, finding out that you were that you had
gotten arrested after going to the club, and so watching
that documentary your mom seems so amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Women's Day to you and to the most important woman
in my life because my daughter is the most important
person in my life, my mom. I love my mom
and all my heart.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, So for you putting together that documentary, because we've
never had to sit down conversation. So for me, this
is all new thing being revealed. How was that for
you revisiting all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You know, people have been approaching me to do the
documentary for years. Literally, I go back as far as
you know, two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
Mark Wahlberg, all different types of people approaching me to
do a documentary. But you know, it was just a
(03:41):
matter of timing and I'm a hard line negotiators, so
just making sure the deal is always right. And then
in the later years, the intentions of the people wanting
to do the documentary or their vision of the story
that they wanted to tell, was not consistent with my
(04:04):
vision because I went through different stages. I had the
bitter stage, I had the you know, I'm a victim stage.
But then I got to a stage in my life
of release, self liberation, moving on and having some success
(04:26):
as a human being, you know, having my daughter getting
elected to the House of Representatives. It was about six
years of serving in my constituency before I got elected
to the House of Representatives. So during that period my
mind totally changed. I was liberated from my past. Doesn't
(04:48):
mean you forget what you move on, you forgive. And
so I didn't want to tell the documentary that that
fifty put out, you know, and Alex respected them. I
met the director, Alex. She was nominated for Best Documentary
for that documentary at the DGA, the Directors Guild Award
(05:10):
in California. A few weeks ago. So yeah, I'm happy
that they were able to give a platform to the victims,
to people who feel that they were done wrong and
who would otherwise be silenced because of celebrity, because of
the powers that people have and how they can suppress
others truth. But I had moved from that phase, uh,
(05:35):
and I had moved into the phase of accomplishing things
in spite of all that I went through, you know,
wrongfully convicted, down under the bus, all of the things
that you know, deported to believe, which is paradise. Please
visit everyone I encouraged to visit. Is one of the
most beautiful places on planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That you're working on.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Hotels now, chop house, which is a full circle moment
for you to be working with Dampu again because he
early on one of the first discovered me.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yes. Yes, but so overcoming all of that, I felt
that the documentary I want to tell is exactly what
it was like. It's such a beautiful Thank God, it
is so great.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The honorable shine, because I've always been honorable before I
went to the House of Representatives and got that official title.
The sacrifices that I made for integrity, the sacrifices that
I made for the principles that I believed in. I
didn't not snitch. I didn't I did not cooperate with
(06:44):
the UH District Attorney for Puff or for anyone. I
did that for me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You didn't make any payouts to people.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I did that for me because I don't believe in
getting people in trouble to get myself out of trouble.
I don't believe, uh yeah, that all of us have
to perish. If you know, I could save the team.
I believe in that. So yeah, so that's the documentary
I wanted to tell. Finally, I you know, was approached
(07:12):
by Disney and Escape Jason ad and they I told
them exactly what I'm telling you, and they were like, yeah,
that's that's that's what we want to tell. And that's
exactly what they did. Respect the Marcus Clark as I said,
Ascape Disney color uh creative, Yes, color creative. They did
(07:33):
exactly what they said they would because I wasn't creatively involved.
If it was up to me, to be honest, I
would have taken out some of the things.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Like what would you have taken out?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But I felt we spent too much time on Club
New York and not enough time on my political service
and the great things that I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I was wondering if there was going to be like
a follow up, because I do feel like a large
portion of it was on that, and I I'm so
curious more about the time that you didn't have to
spend like Rikers Island and then after that and what
that transformation was like for you, because you did turn
to Judaism and you went to Jerusalem, and I.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Think they covered they covered.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They covered it.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
You wanted more?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, more?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well, I am coming out with a book, a spiritual
book that will deal specific with my spiritual journey. I'm
now at a place of enlightenment. Judaism is my foundation,
but I'm at a place of enlightenment where I'm not religious,
but I'm enlightened. I'm here. My religion is love is
its kindness, compassion, honesty, integrity, tolerance, the things that should
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matter the most to human beings. But I'm also doing
my memoir, which I think will allow me to go
more into detail and is going to be exclusively me.
Whereas the documentary, while it's acclaimed and everyone loves it,
I'm sharing with you. I would have, Yeah, I would
(09:02):
have taken out some things.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
How did you feel about what your dad said on there? Too?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And I'm sure some of that got edited down that
like hearing the conversations about you know, your dad has
some regrets about how he handled things and the relationship
that he had with your mom and with you when
you were younger, and things that he said, and I
wanted to know what you thought, and I didn't know
what conversation you guys had outside of that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, you know, we have we've had a strained relationship
and you know, even today, there are things that we
don't see eye to eye on Politically, you know his Yeah,
he's always been and aloof person, to put it politely,
but I'm a person that I try not to live
(09:46):
in people's spaces. Uh, you know, I understand people and
then I proceed accordingly. But at that point when he
gave the interview, I was, you know, focused on political service,
so I never focused necessarily on relationships with people. Our
(10:06):
interaction was on the basis of him being the former
prime minister of the country, so we would have conversations,
but then on policy, we don't agree, Like I don't
support dictators, I don't support dictators. You know, he's a
friend of Cuba, he's a friend of Maduro, he's a
friend of all these people that I don't understand how
(10:26):
you could be from a democratic country lead a democratic country,
yet you're sympathetic to dictators, right, And so when whenever,
as leader of opposition situations would present themselves, I would
make it clear that you know, I don't support Maduro.
This is way before President Trump was elected, this is
(10:48):
when Biden was president. I in my conversations with the
Foreign House Relations and you know, my different friends in
Congress from the Republicans and the Democrat side, while Biden
was present, I was telling them they need to do
more to move Belize away and other Caribbean nations away
(11:09):
from their fascination and infatuation with these dictatorships, and they
need to invest more. So just to give context of
the relationship, and then that that would bring it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Did your father and uncle help you get into office?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Because you know that that's the interesting thing you you no, No,
it is because because if they if it was, if
it was whereas they said here or they came and
they convinced me and told me we're going to take
care of this for you, don't worry. Then I'd own it.
(11:46):
I'd say, yes, you know, they had everything to do
with it, but they didn't. However, it cannot be ignored
or dismissed that obviously having proximity to them certainly had benefits.
But interestingly enough, my uncle when I approached him when
(12:11):
I returned to Belize at the prompting of a family
friend who thought that I should get involved in politics.
But this person had nothing to do with my father
or my uncle as far as being emissary for them,
telling me this, this is just what this person thought.
And when I approached my uncle, he said, you know,
(12:34):
are you crazy? I already gave this seat to somebody else,
So I'm sorry. You know, the lady's my friend, and
I'm not going to do that to her, like I
already promised her that she would succeed me. And I'm like, okay, well,
I'll take you guys to a convention and let the
people decide, because the people don't want her. From what
I understand, that was the relationship with my uncle, right,
(12:58):
And then he and the lady fell out, right, But
I had already I already told him, listen, I'm going
to keep working. And then he called me one day
and he said, yeah, you know, you can go in there.
I'm like, I'm already in here, already opened my resource. Yeah,
(13:18):
but don't. But see, this is where I want to
be clear. Maybe in the past I didn't give him
enough credit. The credit that I will give him is
that if he would have gone against me, I think
I could have lost right if he would have. But then,
but what I'm saying is he didn't do anything for
me because I was his nephew. He did it for
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me because he fell out with the lady. Because when
I when I went to him and I and I said,
you know, this is what I want to do. He
didn't say, oh, you my nephew, don't worry about her.
He was like, I'm sorry, it's not going to happen. Right.
So what I'm saying is anybody that was running for
the party have gotten his support or you know, he
(14:02):
would have just he could have just stayed out of it,
which is what I felt he did with me. He didn't.
He didn't. And again I had beaten him up in
the past verbally. But I'll give him this because I
went against him in the last elections. He was secretly
working to get me unseated in the last elections. He
(14:26):
claims he wasn't. He claims he stayed out of it.
But all I'm saying is I know his wrath, so
I have greater appreciation for what it would mean for
him to really be against you. So by him just
not doing anything and just letting the people know, yeah,
you know, that's to go ahead. Yeah he's a good guy.
That was enough. He didn't need to do anything. He
(14:47):
didn't even need to do that. Anybody again, absolutely, but
I just want to give the context that is not
a nepotistic handover. I had to fight for the seat.
How However, he has done such an extraordinary job over
the thirty years that he was there, however, many years
(15:09):
in being a custodian of that seat, that of course
I should be grateful for the job that he did.
But I'm talking in terms of not as a family member,
just as a jogger, not in the constituency. As far
as my father he was. He found out about it
(15:29):
on the news when I declared my candidacy. But the
one thing that he did do is what again, I
don't think he should have done that necessarily for me,
he should have done that for anyone. There were people
in the party that don't like him, so they don't
want any legacy of his to continue. So when I applied,
(15:51):
they wanted to deny my application based on what happened
in Club New York.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Wow, yeah, right, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean right, it feels like that feels political, like
a political move right.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So he told him, all right, well let's go, We'll
go to a vote, and then they backed off. But
I would think that anyone with rationale and compassion would
not judge a nineteen year old king.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And people have to remember you were nineteen years old
when that happened, and had incidents prior to that where
people were shooting at you, getting shot and so feeling
safe and going outside a lot of times people and
in your position and being somebody who people know, you got,
you know, a multi million dollar deal, You're a target.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So with not trying to bring him down, but I'm
just saying, it's not as if we sat there and
he said, this is the game plan. I'm going to
make sure you get to the House of Representatives so
then I get elected. When I get elected, the same
gentlemen that was leading the charge to have me ban
(17:05):
from running for the party. He ends up getting into
a public scandal. Right. So that's how I became the
leader of the opposition, because because there are only five
of us in the House of Representatives, and you can
only be the leader of the opposition if you're a
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member of Parliament, and no one else wanted to do it.
The person that ended up overthrowing me or trying to
overthrow me, engaging the coup detat. We begged her to
take the position because she was senior me and I
had no ambition outside of twenty thirty. I was thinking
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twenty thirty, I'd be the leader. I wanted to win
my seat twice. I wanted to put in the work,
but she didn't want to do it. She aligned herself
with that gentleman. So I became leader of the opposition.
We tried to recall that gentleman. Uh. He withstood the
recall petition. Uh. They gave him back leader of the Opposition.
(18:12):
I relinquished the position. This was in September January. He
gets arrested and charged for assault and so he has
to resign and there has to be convention. Now for
leader of the party. I become leader of Opposition again.
(18:32):
I won that convention. My father never gave me a dime. Yes,
of course, you know he told whoever, would you know,
ask him? Yeah, sure you should vote for him. But
I had to forge relationships with people that he told
me not to forge relationships with.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
As a matter of fact, this is complex.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's a whole there's a whole political book. Back to
May Secondlyn.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
King's Theater, which is so interesting because I think about
what was that like when you were living in Flatbush, you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Know, Kingstead. It was just just a monument. It was inoperable.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So it has to feel amazing to be able to
go back to a place where really, you know, live.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Nation, respect the live nation. They had approached me early
last year after I lost my seat, and I told
Steve O, Who's My God, that this is what I
was thinking about. And I wanted to return to the stage,
wanted to put out the albums uh. And so they
wanted me to start the tour at Brooklyn Paramount. Uh.
(19:40):
But then when the King's Theater situation evolved, I said,
there's no way that I could do it anywhere else.
So yeah, it's and I didn't even when they kept
saying King's Theater, and then I did my research.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I'm like, that's good being there.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I were like four blocks away from there, so it's not.
I'm glad that you're doing it there. And you have
a lot of people popping out because I saw that
you even now some But even I didn't know anything,
like you said, Junior Mafia, I saw you what it is,
what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I don't know if I said, but caes is my.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
My brother is coming BK.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Ruby said well, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say
that you said.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I said. I think I said respect to Ses, respect
to k because they were talking about the history that
we have, and I said that we're all brothers. Now,
we're all good.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Only man can do stuff like Yeah, when when they
become friends.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Whens came to Rikers Island, I took care of him.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
He is a good guy. Yeah, and you know they
really are good guys.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Think about being young teenagers on the same label and
being pitted against it, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, but we you know, once once that situation happened
to Rikers Island and I took care of Sees. We've
been brothers ever since. And d Rock was actually locked
up at the same time, and you know, we were
able to get on the phone. He was like, man,
I really appreciate what you did with Brothers for life.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
What was it like going in and being so high
profile at the time, Like as far as how other
people treated you.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Uh, yeah, it's the gift in the cursed, I believe.
Sure there were people that felt sorry for me. There
were people that felt, well, he's not going to come
in here and think that that sean. You know, status
means anything. And that was from the authority perspective to
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the inmate perspective, So it was both. So it was
really about me and my relationship with God because it
could go either way any day. And I always say
that prayer and God really intervening on my behalf got
me through because you could end up getting killed in
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or you can end up killing someone and have to
do life. So it's not it's nothing nice. So I
prayed every day before the sun came up, I'm praying.
I prayed seven times a day, wrap out to filling,
not fast. There was a time where I was fasting
for six months sun up to sundown, six months straight. Yes,
(22:22):
I did a lot in order to not just survive.
I put out a number one rap.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Album twenty five years we're celebrating.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
No, that's my second the second album, the second album
I released while.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Why you put it out while you were number one gees?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, that was number one. I was on Usher's album
that sold over thirty million records and got a Grammy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And people went hard for you to put that album
out because it felt like, you know, and I've seen
people talking about this, how they wanted these artists to
live the life that they're talking about on the records.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You know, we're having that discussion now as we talk
about what I'm doing with that to Dre and Swiss
Beats and hit Boy and and and all the all
the goats that I'm boy wonder all the goats that
I'm recording with now, they're like, well, what are you
going to talk about? We want that shine Poe And
(23:17):
I'm like, shine Poe is an energy. Shine poe uh
is an energy of what I created with that. When
you listen to the classics, it's it's a flow, it's
a confidence, it's it's a cadence, it's a you know,
it's an attitude. It's a conviction. Uh, but you can
(23:40):
you can repurpose that I don't need to talk about like,
you know, one of my one of the artists I'm
impressed with very much as a rapper is Stove God. Uh.
You know, but I would never say the things that
he's saying because that's not the life that I live.
But I'm not so I'm not impressed with what he's saying.
I don't like him because he's talking that dope boy talk.
(24:03):
I'm impressed with his personality and the way he puts
his words together and the way, you know, so comfortable
and you know, he he's such a larger than life
force on on the beat and not everyone has that.
Like he caught my attention, and I'm hard. I don't
really pay attention and I don't listen to that on
my day to day. I'm more listening to you know,
Octane don Tolliver, you know, and then you know Protege
(24:27):
or lela Ik or you know Valiant Harmony, you know,
bring the boy wiz Kid, Like I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I'm all over money.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He'll be at my coffee shop next week doing a
past the ox.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Just throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brent Fryars. You know Chris Brown.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, so that's more my Brys and Tiller.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh yeah, so he broke through from to you just
his abilities, his skill and how he puts it together.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yes, That's what I'm looking at when you think about
what from Hey, I'm telling you all I have to
do is be shine. The content is irrelevant, but the
content for me, it's irrelevant. As far as skill and
as far as quality of product. It's significant for me
(25:17):
because I can't be dishonest. My art has always I'm
an artist. I've never been one of those people that
just made stuff up and just made you know, records
and went pop. I've always been an artist and so
I'll continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So it feels like it's going to be global. Maybe
talks about ownership and things like that, I don't know.
I'm just trying to because you you were already in
the studio with Doctor Dre. Have you gone in the
studio with Rizza already?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Or is that I have the music. I have the music,
and what happens is you don't get to go in
the studio to record with everyone because of scheduling conflicts.
But I've sat with most of the people come up
with the music. Uh, and then sometimes I'll go record and.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Then we'll example some of what you've recorded so far.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So like we know we have Timberland Swiss s beats.
Oh well I can't. It was just the conversation. But
it's the conversation that I'm having now. It's a retrospective
in the sense of their their questions that people might
have that I need to answer. It's prospective as to
how I see the world and and and what I
(26:30):
would like to see in the world in the future.
It's present, you know, commenting on you know, what is
happening around me having a conversation. But I would I
would liken it to more Bob Marley, you know, type
of electricity and energy where he was the roughest, toughest
(26:52):
talking about the world. He talked about his world, the
world and how he saw the world. And I'm saying
from a parliamentarian's perspective, a personal policymaker, to someone who
came from the gutter, who came from poverty, talking to
my young self, talking to the young people that are
(27:14):
looking at me having a conversation with this, There's so
much to say like you said, with the documentary, you
wanted to hear more. So there's different conversations to have
about my life retrospectively, introspectively and prospectively.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Now listen, another thing that went viral recently, Sean, because
I know this's got to be in the book.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So you went on with Cam and Mace.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
One of the first questions Camera I asked you and
Mace was about Brandy. Brandy did not appreciate the conversation
that you guys had about her. As a matter of fact,
I might have her quote of what she posted because
she normally does not respond to anything. And ray J
I think probably made the issue a little worse with
his comments. But Brandy said in the late nineties, I
(27:59):
had a platon friendship with Rapper Shine. In an unfortunate
turn of events, that friendship is now being mischaracterized as
we dated unequivocally we did not. I'm not sure why
an untrue narrative about a scope of what was a
friendship more than twenty years ago is being reshaped during
his current media interviews. And so she had an issue
(28:19):
with you and Mace discussing her. Now, I felt like
it wasn't tasteless. It wasn't like you guys degraded her
in any way. It was more like I didn't know
that you were dealing with her, and we don't know
if that relationship was intimate or if it was like
a I don't know what it was, but she didn't
appreciate it. So now and then ray J had some
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things to say that were very wild.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
But as far as Brandy, this is the same Brandy
that went on Oprah and said that she was married
when she wasn't and had to go back on Oprah
and apologize for lying because she felt that she had
to protect her image and then want to be a
mother out of wedlock. So Brandy has proven that she
would say whatever in order to protect whatever she thinks
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should be her public PERSONA. I have never done that.
I never lie. I have no need to lie. And
the context in which I spoke about her was actually
giving her flowers and praising her. But nothing that I
said about my relationship interaction with her is untrue. It's
a trillion it's a trillion percent true. And in fact,
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in the documentary I don't call her name, Clark Kent
calls her name and says, yeah, everybody knew Sean was
messing with Brandy. That's a known fact. Any person you
speak to from back then knew that. You know, there
was an interaction there simultaneous to the interaction with Mace.
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That's just a fact. And I didn't bring it up
to say, ooh, you know I was seeing Brandy at
the same time Mace was seeing Brandy. You know, yeah,
I'm a top shot for that. No. I brought it
up in the context of I shouldn't have done that
because I was just coming to the label and you know,
he was the superstar of the label. But initially I
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really didn't know because their relationship was private, and she
didn't say anything. You know, when she invited me to
come see her in Los Angeles and I got on
a plane, she didn't say, oh, by the way, you
should know that. You know, but yes, because what I
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was doing is I was, and something that I have
never done since because I learned my lesson and now
I'm one of the most private people on planet Earth.
I never talk about my personal life, my love life,
and I never post pictures of anyone that's just not
me in real life. I don't talk about, you know,
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my intimate life to anyone because of that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But I was because of that situation, of.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Course, yeah, because that that damaged the situation that it was.
You know, I can understand why you wouldn't want to
continue with someone because then it's like, yo, what are
you doing? And especially someone in her position. So yeah,
I was so excited. I was so excited that I
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was interacting with her. I was telling, you know, a
mutual friend of Mace, and I not knowing that he
would go back and tell Mace until she came to
me and she's like, first.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Of all, so you were basically so would you say
you were the side piece?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You're getting me into further conundrum, quagmire of these labels.
All I will say is everything that I have said
is a trillion per se true. There's no cat with me.
There's no need for me to cap It's all true.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And the intent was not to be disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And I'm feelings me saying that that you're my crush
and you're a dream come true? How could that be tasteless? Like?
How in what world and what planet? Now? Now you
being exposed for seeing two label mates at the same time.
I could understand maybe why she would want to revise
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that truth, but it is the truth. And again I
never got into the details as to, you know, every
single moment and what was done and what was not.
I never even went there.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It's interesting because it is in the documentary, like we
said two years ago. But I feel like, yeah, for
some reason, this turned into.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Because Mace, because Mace confirms it, and Mace is like, yeah,
you know. And and again if anyone knows Mace, and
even in the interview that I did with Mace, we
didn't necessarily agree on everything. You know, Like his position
on Puff is a little bit more extreme than mind
because he feels like, you know what, you shouldn't even
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be around him, you shouldn't even have reconnected with him
after what he did. And he's you know, he went
into a thing of, you know, blaming everyone for the
monster that Puff became because they never said anything. It's
a lot. So if I was capping, he would have
been like, nah, nah, pro I don't remember it like that.
(33:24):
I was. I was the only one special. He wasn't.
I don't know, I don't, I don't know. No, but
he said he I wanted to be special, and he
let me be specially.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think maybe the Shaq and Kobe line. And that's
awesome in the documentary because you guys, but that was
just the fact.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
And that, but but it was actually but that's another again.
You know, maybe her her idea of interacting with with
men is just different, right, So yeah, I guess her
and Kobe were platonic friends. Hermon wan Ye were platonic friends.
Her and Mace were platonic friends. No problem. You know.
(34:00):
All I'm saying is, don't have me out here as
if I'm I'm lying, I'm making things up.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's ridiculous, Okay, I understood, And the intent was not
malicious though I didn't. I didn't get that from it,
not at all when I watched it. And all I'm
saying is, and it was in the documentary, like I said, and.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Said by Clark Kent. Yeah, I kept her identity private.
Clark Kent is the one that said it because he
said it's like a known fact. Rest in peace, Clark Kent.
Why would Clark Kent lie? Why would may slide? Again,
we can't say that about her if we're going to
be putting people's credibility into question, which is what I
feel her statement. Did. She's the only one that we
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know that has lied about something very significant to the public.
I've never been accused of that. I've never done that.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You also did respond to ray J.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I mean I was just having a little fun. Uh,
you know, I just just have this happened. I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get into any details.
I just was having a little fun and I said
the truth. I did not hit first.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
What did you think when you saw his post?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Because I saw it and I have love for raising,
but I was like, Raisy, Yeah, but I think.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
We all, we all, we all accept that he's having
some mental issues right now or some type of some
type of emotional whatever he's going through.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, Okay, you're like moving on.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Lay second Kings Big Brooklyn new album coming out November.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay. So the album is coming out in November, and
what's the title, Honorable the Honorable? Okay, all right, And I.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Have another album coming out next.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Year, Memory coming out, and the Memoir come.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Out next year early next year, spring next year. Yeah,
then the the Rap Prime Minister still come out and
fall again.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You know, we got to give it up to Manny Haley.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I want to say that too, but being a person
that was there with you throughout this whole entire ordeal.
People talk about this music industry game and how wicked
it can be, and how people are fair weather when
it comes to your on top they're with you, then
something happens and everybody forgets about you.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
But he literally put his house up to.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Get you out on bell when nobody was trying to
do that from the label. You couldn't even get anyone
to pick up the phone.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yes, yes, And we're friends to this day, to this day,
and when I.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Go to California, always get together to this day.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
One thing that I also loved learning about you was
how determined you were to get signed, like you were
going and showing up to five sixty State Street and
standing outside getting your CD thrown out by Jay Z.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Because he didn't physically throw the cet just roll the
window up. He just rolled the four point six, roll
the wind up and drove off. But yeah, I think
you know what. One of the reasons I wanted to
do the documentary as well is for inspirational purposes. I
do feel that people can look at my life and
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they can draw from my life. Never give up never given, endure,
prey and your time will come, and I'm the poster
child for your time or will come, and that we
are invincible. I don't feel that I'm special, even though
Mace thinks that I wanted to be special and let
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me be special. I think we're all special. I think
we all have what I have. We just have to
dig deep inside and find it. And so that's a
part of the gift of entertainment, the gift of storytelling,
whether it be documentaries or movies or albums or this
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platform right these instruments can be used to lift people up.
So if someone is listening right now that's having a
difficult time and they feel stuck, they feel overwhelmed, they
feel like why me, I've been there, and I pray
and I keep powering through. And when people ask me
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what was the most difficult thing I ever did, it
was going from being poor in a single parent household,
having nothing but hope and a dream, to becoming shine.
Once I did that, there's nothing else that I couldn't do.
Chasing the Street team down, going to five sixty State Street.
I'll never forget. It's in the documentary when I was
delivering packages and it was raining, and if you don't
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deliver the packages when it rains, you get fired. And
like I was there at Barrack Street, right downstairs from
Deaf Jam, and I wanted to give up, and I
kept going, having the hope of tomorrow in mind that
you know what, I'm not going to be delivering packages
much longer. And you know, that's one of the reasons
I'm so grateful. And this is such a celebratory time
(38:52):
for me. That's why I may second it is so important.
That's why I'm returning to the stage. I'm not returning
to the stage to be famous or to be a
rapper per se, or to be a celebrity. I've moved
on from such existence. As I said, I'm in enlightenment.
So now I create music. I create experiences for human connection.
(39:14):
Like I love the people that love me. That love
has gotten me through knowing even in politics and believes
in politics and beliefs. I went through hell because of
being a deportee, being someone who's convicted once in their
entire life, that one thing at nineteen. They wouldn't let
me live it down until now finally, I'm like a
(39:37):
hero in my country because of the resilience because of
not turning my back after I lost and when I
started traveling the States again, even though I did it before,
I always mentioned belize, like right now, inviting you to come.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
To believe and I want to go. Isn't that where
Ja Prince has.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
His few islands.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Yeah, he has thousands of acres.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, he's doing the most out there.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But what do you think is tough for the rap
game or the politics game?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Uh? I would say it's it's a bit tougher for
me politically, But both are tough because both are dealing
with people and people's subjective opinion. So I think maybe
(40:25):
the question you're more targeting is the infrastructure, meaning the
business of politics and the business of music. And I
would say the business of politics is a bit more
challenging because we're in the business of music. At least
in hip hop music, people knew what lines not to
cross and politics and believe they were out the window
(40:47):
with no parachute, and uh, you know, they would really
test test your patients.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And be the most judgmental.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, I'm talking about the politicians, the fellow politicians judging everybody, well,
not just judging, butting fraud.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yes, and the are the ones doing right.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And doing things that will trigger you. But then I
don't want to be the politician to change uh the
climate and resort to things that are unlawful. Uh, you
know so, But it was tough because the way that
they did me, they did me dirty.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Do you sometimes think that things happened for your own protection?
Because and I know that sometimes a hard thing to consider,
but seeing how things have turned out now, right, and
you know, seeing where did he's at and the things
he's gone through when people saying why didn't the people around.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Him, you know, do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
But and thank god you weren't around for any of
those things. But sometimes things happen and we can't explain it.
But in the grand scheme of things, it could have
been protecting protecting you from something worse.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
That is a that is a possibility.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I think the decisions that we make create the life
that we receive. So I'm not sure. I don't necessarily
think God babies us. I think God wants us to
(42:20):
be creators and he allows us to make the choices.
So I had an unlicensed weapon, and so there are
consequences to that. I would never encourage any young person
listening to me now to have an unlicensed weapon. But
I was defending myself.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
They kept saying, if you would just do the gun,
I'm like, how is that possible, because when your prints
have been all over it and witness.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, the thing is, I accept that I was defending myself.
The reason I went to prison was because of puff
and I don't necessarily care to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
It's not about I know you've talked it exactly, but
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Making the point that he made a decision. He made
like we're all making choices.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It's not like it's not like God.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
It's not like God is sitting up there like, oh,
I'm going to let Shine go to jail so that
he's not a part of the free call. I wouldn't
have been a part of the free call, no matter what,
right I'm yeah, well no, I mean, listen, I'm not
here to judge. I'm just saying that wasn't me. I
wasn't you know, Yeah, no, it wouldn't have been me.
(43:28):
But so I didn't need to go ten years to
be to be away from because if I was here
for ten years, I'd be a billionaire. That's how I
look at it. I look at the positives I would
I would have probably you know, been the other rapper
to win an oscar because my dream was to follow
the Tupac prototype of being an actor and a a rapper.
(43:55):
So so yeah, I don't look at it, but you know,
God knows best. So I just thank God for mercy
because I think we make choices and then we have
to figure out our life. We make choices. People make choices,
and then you have to make lemonade out of lemons
and you have to make the best of it.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
When did forgiveness happen for you? Like, was there a
particular time when you were finally like, and I know
it's for you. It's like you said, it's not that
you forget, but forgiveness is necessary, so you're not holding on.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
When I was in Israel, when I was in Jerusalem,
that's when I chose forgiveness. And it was a up
and down thing thereafter because after my interaction with him
in Paris. You know, remember there's a thing in the
in the lawsuit where Cassie talks about being in Paris
(44:46):
and him spending you know, a half a million dollars
because he has just put hands on her or whatever,
and so that's what he would do to make things
right and to cover up all that he was doing.
I didn't see him put hands on her. I didn't
see that the after results, but he definitely went. I
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saw him one Saturday, went and spent like a half
a million dollars shopping and I was like, man, you
could have gave that to me for that ten years
that I did at least right anyway. But so I
think what happened when he and I. So there was forgiveness,
but then there was a period of expectation. It's like,
(45:31):
you sent me to prison, you're a billionaire or maybe
that time he wasn't at a billion, but he had
a couple hundred million, right, fine, So that led to,
you know what, just keep living my life but not
holding on to that, moving on as much as possible.
(45:52):
But when I really became liberated is when I didn't
even think about what he had.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
And what he owed me as far as him owing
me his.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Life, because I feel I saved his life. Once I
got to that space, that is when I was able to,
you know, interact with him because I didn't expect anything
from him and I knew better, and I know who
he is, and it's like, well, you know what, if
he begged me to perform at the BET Awards, that
(46:24):
was him, that wasn't me. I was actually offended when
he asked me. I was like, I'm not a rapper.
I'm trying to be the Prime Minister. Believe what are
you doing to me? I already have to struggle with
these people that call me a deportee, called me a criminal,
and think that I'm just a rapper and I don't
know about policy and education and healthcare and economic development,
Like why would you even ask me that? But the
(46:45):
only reason I did it was because I said, well listen,
if I'll do it, it's because of Belize. I'm going
to you know, I need that big flag on the
stage and everything has to be Belize, and you know,
we need to talk about how you're going to work
to help believe. And that was how I looked at
that relationship. Yeah. So so he's the one that kept
(47:09):
asking me to.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Do things because it makes him look better too.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Whatever it was, But I just thought about believes. So
when people said, well, why were you on the stage
with him? Believe right? It was it was an opportunity.
And and also I won't I won't deny it wasn't
in a sense of a full circle moment. Whereas now
he's needing me, he keeps asking me to help him.
(47:36):
Maybe he knew what was in the pipeline as far
as the case and the charges and the accusations. Maybe
he knew something and he was I don't want to
go that far. I wasn't even thinking that. I was
just thinking, here it is. And if you look at
how that my performance ends, it really ends, you know,
us face to face, you know, me saluting him, him
(47:57):
saluting me. And that was a moment, and that that's
what the documentary is so beautiful, because I'm the victor,
I triumph. I got nothing from him, and I made
myself and I was able to thrive despite that. And
now I'm in a position where he needs me to
celebrate his legacy. Because there are many bad boy artists,
(48:18):
you know, but I was one of them. I could
they could have excluded me.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
You know, Belize is so important to you.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yes, and so if somebody's never been to Belize and
they're listening right now and they're like, you know what
I'm listening to? I want to go to Belize, what
would you where would you tell them to go? Where
would you tell them to stay? Just because I know
people are thinking about planning travel and.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, so San Pedro. San Pedro is one of my
favorite places. Placentia is another one of my favorite places.
Hopkins another one of my favorite places as far as
where I would recommend to go visit that have the
resorts that I stay if you're into the because in
(49:06):
my older age, as I've evolved and matured, I like
the river. I'm I'm a beach person. First, it's beach,
that salt water, that Caribbean sea, that Belizean sea. But
as I've gotten older, I appreciate, uh the river jungle vibe.
(49:27):
It makes me feel like I'm in the Garden of Eden. Yeah.
So there's this one place in in Cayo, So Cayo
is where I would go. That's in the west and
uh in San Ignacio, uh called Kana. It feels like
the Garden of Eden and yeah, and they have the
plunge pools and they could take you to the river. Yeah.
(49:51):
But so those are my places, San Pedro, Placentia, Hopkins,
uh Kana. Yeah, and make sure that you visit the
Maya temples.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, right there.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, that's very very very spiritual, very very spiritual, very
powerful and pactful. The food is so delicious and and
so all those places I name are in different parts
of Belize. So San Pedro is in the north, in
Amberger's Key, Placentia is in the south, in stan Creek,
Hopkins is in stan Creek. Uh. San Ignacio is in
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the Cayo District. That's in the west. So that is
what is so divine about Belize. The multi dimensionalism is
just enthralling. You get a different experience everywhere. Nothing is
the same. What you're going to experience in San Pedro
is different than what you're experience right now.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Like, okay, let's go to Belize, girl.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, the food is delicious, but different tasts everywhere. You know,
we have the Garyfund of food, we have the Creole food,
we have the Spanish food, we have everything.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's just and as you're thinking about your new projects.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
We want to do resorts. That's why I'm not naming
any resorts right now, because you know, I want I
want you to stay. I want you to stay at
my resort. But I named one that that yeah, because
I'm not going out there. I'm not going to Cayo yet.
I want to start with San Pedro and Placentia and
maybe maybe Hopkins dan Griga is nice too.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Like we're taking notes.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yes, if ever, if ever a time to visit, A
good time to visit. These are the two good times
I would tell people to visit, besides New Year's September,
which is the most important month in the Belizian calendar
because it is the month of our independence, September twenty first,
and it is the month of the Battle Saint George's Key,
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which is when we the enslaved Africans joined forces with
the British Enslavers and they defeated the Spanish, and that
is how we got on the pathway to become independent.
And that's September tenth. And right before that is Carnival out. Yes,
(52:23):
a carnival is emerging. We're not Trinidad yet, we're not Barbados,
but it's definitely emerging. It's a great experience, wonderful, beautiful people,
beautiful women. Yeah, so that would be a good time
to visit. A lot of concerts, a great opportunity to
(52:44):
experience the culture, and you know, you could go around
the country. You can go to San Pedro and the
city's fifteen minutes away by plane. Placentia would be a
little further. It's a forty five minute flight from the city.
But yeah, the next time to visit would be November eighteenth,
(53:06):
nineteenth because that is Garifuna Settlement Day. My ancestors are
Garyfuna on my mother's side, Garyfuna. They're African people, you know,
that mixed with Arawak in Saint Vincent and they were
expelled and then they went to Honduras and Guatemala and Belize.
(53:27):
But their Garyfuna Settlement Day is amazing because what they
do is they re enact when the boat came to Belize,
and so we talk about culture. And then what's so
beautiful about and that is in dan Grega, that is
in stand Quick as well, but a place called dan Griga.
What is so beautiful about dan Griga is they still
(53:50):
speak Garyfuna. So that is a you travel into time
so to still hear original African lang which mixed with
the Irawuak and they mix some Spanish with it because
obviously they settle in the Spanish, but it's African. They
still wear the African Garbo. Outside of that November that's
(54:11):
in November, November eighteenth, nineteenth. It's nineteenth is the day,
but then the celebration starts on the eighteenth because they
celebrate all day and they stay up all night until
the boat comes in.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
So it feels like we're going to believe. Yeah to beliez, you.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Just let me know. I'm sure. I work very closely
with the Ministry of Tourism. I know they would love
to have someone like you down there, and so you
just got to tell us when you want to come.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
All right, girls, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
You should actually do lip service, lip service and belize.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
All right, imagine to talk about somethings on on the.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Beach drinking some cabinet. I don't know what you and
the ladies be drinking.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, I know that camp champagne. What's the what's the drink?
What do people drinking? Belize? Like, what's the rum? Rum?
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Okay, I'm down with that, yeah, rum punt. Well listen, Sean,
I'm so excited. May second King's Theater, Brooklyn. We outside,
flat wish we are flat, wish we're outside. And this
is you headlining too, a headlining tour which is something
you haven't had a chance to.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
Do before, unfortunately, but thank god we can correct that now.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
All right, we're outside. Well, thank you so much. I
appreciate you. The honorable coming out when.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
The honorable album is coming out in November.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
November, okay, which is an important month in Belize too,
so ed your birthday, Well, thank you so much for
coming through.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
You gotta come back and we gotta This was fun
for me and I love talking about politics. But I'm
excited to travel to Belize. So all right, and congratulations
on everything. Honestly, like watching your journey, that is just
remarkable to see where you are today after everything that
you've been through. But we appreciate your being so open
about everything and transparent than you.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
You're special.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Thank you, Belief.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Don't let anybody tell you not.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yep.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
His way up for Angela Yee And to clarify this
interview has been in the books for quite some time.
The honor of us Shine is here. Who knew that
all this was going to happen?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh what big Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I have on my flat wish, you know, shout out
to we are Flatbush because I'm from Flatbush?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Is that your brand?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm just listening. Those are my guys, Yeah, Flatbush.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm supposed to go live with them when I come
back for the show, because I'll come back like a
few weeks before the show.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay good.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I met them online. They're amazing, and then they actually
came through to give me.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I actually grew up with them. I went to school
with them. You did, one of the guys, Popy.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I think which school did you went to?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well? I went. I got kicked out all the school.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Because I went to PS two thirty five.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I went to PS ninety two. I went to Grady.
I went to La Fiat.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Wow, you went to Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I went to mid She said.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I want to go to Midwood so bad. When I
was younger, my mom went to Erasmus. My dad went
to Brooklyn Man, So yeah, I grew up right there,
which is King's Theatre's right Byron.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I grew up Church Avenue. That was like the
that's the family location where all of us immigrated to.
And then we branched out and so we moved to Wingate,
Winthrope and Hawthorne, and then we moved over to Little Haiti.
What is Little Haiti? Now? Newkirk and Flatbush?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
How flat Bushsness Prospect, Leffards Gardens.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You know, they've just changed.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
When I was growing up, I always wanted to live
and this is very Brooklyn talk. I've always wanted to
live in Ditmis Park where they had those huge houses.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The huge houses. Well, you would have to walk from
Newkirk Foster Flatbush to go to Ditness. You would have
to walk through those houses. I went to Mom talk to.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I went to poly Prep. So I went to private
school and I.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Went I went to Epiphany.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I didn't even know it was this many schools. How
long were you in high schooling?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well? No, no, no, this is like through primary.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Okay, listen, I watched your Honorable Shane documentary on Hulu.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
He was a wild child back then.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I definitely was an urban child, single parent, household at risk.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, and I want to say that seeing your mom
on there because you know I was at that time
just watching everything unfold when Shane got signed. You know,
we don't know that full story until we see the documentary.
We don't think about everything that you went through. But
your family who was supporting you, especially your mom at
that time, who wanted you to have this amazing life.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
How she must have felt.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
You know, when you went through everything that you did,
getting arrested, finding out that you were that you had
gotten arrested after going to the club, and so watching
that documentary your mom seems so amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Women's Day to you and to the most important woman
in my life because my daughter is the most important
person in my life, my mom. I love my mom
and all my heart.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Okay, So for you putting together that documentary, because we've
never had to sit down conversation. So for me, this
is all new thing being revealed. How was that for
you revisiting all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You know, people have been approaching me to do the
documentary for years. Literally, I go back as far as
you know, two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
Mark Wahlberg, all different types of people approaching me to
do a documentary. But you know, it was just a
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matter of timing and I'm a hard line negotiators, so
just making sure the deal is always right. And then
in the later years, the intentions of the people wanting
to do the documentary or their vision of the story
that they wanted to tell, was not consistent with my
(04:04):
vision because I went through different stages. I had the
bitter stage, I had the you know, I'm a victim stage.
But then I got to a stage in my life
of release, self liberation, moving on and having some success
(04:26):
as a human being, you know, having my daughter getting
elected to the House of Representatives. It was about six
years of serving in my constituency before I got elected
to the House of Representatives. So during that period my
mind totally changed. I was liberated from my past. Doesn't
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mean you forget what you move on, you forgive. And
so I didn't want to tell the documentary that that
fifty put out, you know, and Alex respected them. I
met the director, Alex. She was nominated for Best Documentary
for that documentary at the DGA, the Directors Guild Award
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in California. A few weeks ago. So yeah, I'm happy
that they were able to give a platform to the victims,
to people who feel that they were done wrong and
who would otherwise be silenced because of celebrity, because of
the powers that people have and how they can suppress
others truth. But I had moved from that phase, uh,
(05:35):
and I had moved into the phase of accomplishing things
in spite of all that I went through, you know,
wrongfully convicted, down under the bus, all of the things
that you know, deported to believe, which is paradise. Please
visit everyone I encouraged to visit. Is one of the
most beautiful places on planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That you're working on.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Hotels now, chop house, which is a full circle moment
for you to be working with Dampu again because he
early on one of the first discovered me.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yes. Yes, but so overcoming all of that, I felt
that the documentary I want to tell is exactly what
it was like. It's such a beautiful Thank God, it
is so great.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The honorable shine, because I've always been honorable before I
went to the House of Representatives and got that official title.
The sacrifices that I made for integrity, the sacrifices that
I made for the principles that I believed in. I
didn't not snitch. I didn't I did not cooperate with
(06:44):
the UH District Attorney for Puff or for anyone. I
did that for me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You didn't make any payouts to people.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I did that for me because I don't believe in
getting people in trouble to get myself out of trouble.
I don't believe, uh yeah, that all of us have
to perish. If you know, I could save the team.
I believe in that. So yeah, so that's the documentary
I wanted to tell. Finally, I you know, was approached
(07:12):
by Disney and Escape Jason ad and they I told
them exactly what I'm telling you, and they were like, yeah,
that's that's that's what we want to tell. And that's
exactly what they did. Respect the Marcus Clark as I said,
Ascape Disney color uh creative, Yes, color creative. They did
(07:33):
exactly what they said they would because I wasn't creatively involved.
If it was up to me, to be honest, I
would have taken out some of the things.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Like what would you have taken out?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But I felt we spent too much time on Club
New York and not enough time on my political service
and the great things that I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I was wondering if there was going to be like
a follow up, because I do feel like a large
portion of it was on that, and I I'm so
curious more about the time that you didn't have to
spend like Rikers Island and then after that and what
that transformation was like for you, because you did turn
to Judaism and you went to Jerusalem, and I.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Think they covered they covered.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
They covered it.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
You wanted more?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, more?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well, I am coming out with a book, a spiritual
book that will deal specific with my spiritual journey. I'm
now at a place of enlightenment. Judaism is my foundation,
but I'm at a place of enlightenment where I'm not religious,
but I'm enlightened. I'm here. My religion is love is
its kindness, compassion, honesty, integrity, tolerance, the things that should
(08:41):
matter the most to human beings. But I'm also doing
my memoir, which I think will allow me to go
more into detail and is going to be exclusively me.
Whereas the documentary, while it's acclaimed and everyone loves it,
I'm sharing with you. I would have, Yeah, I would
(09:02):
have taken out some things.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
How did you feel about what your dad said on there? Too?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And I'm sure some of that got edited down that
like hearing the conversations about you know, your dad has
some regrets about how he handled things and the relationship
that he had with your mom and with you when
you were younger, and things that he said, and I
wanted to know what you thought, and I didn't know
what conversation you guys had outside of that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, you know, we have we've had a strained relationship
and you know, even today, there are things that we
don't see eye to eye on Politically, you know his Yeah,
he's always been and aloof person, to put it politely,
but I'm a person that I try not to live
(09:46):
in people's spaces. Uh, you know, I understand people and
then I proceed accordingly. But at that point when he
gave the interview, I was, you know, focused on political service,
so I never focused necessarily on relationships with people. Our
(10:06):
interaction was on the basis of him being the former
prime minister of the country, so we would have conversations,
but then on policy, we don't agree, Like I don't
support dictators, I don't support dictators. You know, he's a
friend of Cuba, he's a friend of Maduro, he's a
friend of all these people that I don't understand how
(10:26):
you could be from a democratic country lead a democratic country,
yet you're sympathetic to dictators, right, And so when whenever,
as leader of opposition situations would present themselves, I would
make it clear that you know, I don't support Maduro.
This is way before President Trump was elected, this is
(10:48):
when Biden was president. I in my conversations with the
Foreign House Relations and you know, my different friends in
Congress from the Republicans and the Democrat side, while Biden
was present, I was telling them they need to do
more to move Belize away and other Caribbean nations away
(11:09):
from their fascination and infatuation with these dictatorships, and they
need to invest more. So just to give context of
the relationship, and then that that would bring it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Did your father and uncle help you get into office?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Because you know that that's the interesting thing you you no, No,
it is because because if they if it was, if
it was whereas they said here or they came and
they convinced me and told me we're going to take
care of this for you, don't worry. Then I'd own it.
(11:46):
I'd say, yes, you know, they had everything to do
with it, but they didn't. However, it cannot be ignored
or dismissed that obviously having proximity to them certainly had benefits.
But interestingly enough, my uncle when I approached him when
(12:11):
I returned to Belize at the prompting of a family
friend who thought that I should get involved in politics.
But this person had nothing to do with my father
or my uncle as far as being emissary for them,
telling me this, this is just what this person thought.
And when I approached my uncle, he said, you know,
(12:34):
are you crazy? I already gave this seat to somebody else,
So I'm sorry. You know, the lady's my friend, and
I'm not going to do that to her, like I
already promised her that she would succeed me. And I'm like, okay, well,
I'll take you guys to a convention and let the
people decide, because the people don't want her. From what
I understand, that was the relationship with my uncle, right,
(12:58):
And then he and the lady fell out, right, But
I had already I already told him, listen, I'm going
to keep working. And then he called me one day
and he said, yeah, you know, you can go in there.
I'm like, I'm already in here, already opened my resource. Yeah,
(13:18):
but don't. But see, this is where I want to
be clear. Maybe in the past I didn't give him
enough credit. The credit that I will give him is
that if he would have gone against me, I think
I could have lost right if he would have. But then,
but what I'm saying is he didn't do anything for
me because I was his nephew. He did it for
(13:41):
me because he fell out with the lady. Because when
I when I went to him and I and I said,
you know, this is what I want to do. He
didn't say, oh, you my nephew, don't worry about her.
He was like, I'm sorry, it's not going to happen. Right.
So what I'm saying is anybody that was running for
the party have gotten his support or you know, he
(14:02):
would have just he could have just stayed out of it,
which is what I felt he did with me. He didn't.
He didn't. And again I had beaten him up in
the past verbally. But I'll give him this because I
went against him in the last elections. He was secretly
working to get me unseated in the last elections. He
(14:26):
claims he wasn't. He claims he stayed out of it.
But all I'm saying is I know his wrath, so
I have greater appreciation for what it would mean for
him to really be against you. So by him just
not doing anything and just letting the people know, yeah,
you know, that's to go ahead. Yeah he's a good guy.
That was enough. He didn't need to do anything. He
(14:47):
didn't even need to do that. Anybody again, absolutely, but
I just want to give the context that is not
a nepotistic handover. I had to fight for the seat.
How However, he has done such an extraordinary job over
the thirty years that he was there, however, many years
(15:09):
in being a custodian of that seat, that of course
I should be grateful for the job that he did.
But I'm talking in terms of not as a family member,
just as a jogger, not in the constituency. As far
as my father he was. He found out about it
(15:29):
on the news when I declared my candidacy. But the
one thing that he did do is what again, I
don't think he should have done that necessarily for me,
he should have done that for anyone. There were people
in the party that don't like him, so they don't
want any legacy of his to continue. So when I applied,
(15:51):
they wanted to deny my application based on what happened
in Club New York.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Wow, yeah, right, I could see that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean right, it feels like that feels political, like
a political move right.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So he told him, all right, well let's go, We'll
go to a vote, and then they backed off. But
I would think that anyone with rationale and compassion would
not judge a nineteen year old king.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And people have to remember you were nineteen years old
when that happened, and had incidents prior to that where
people were shooting at you, getting shot and so feeling
safe and going outside a lot of times people and
in your position and being somebody who people know, you got,
you know, a multi million dollar deal, You're a target.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So with not trying to bring him down, but I'm
just saying, it's not as if we sat there and
he said, this is the game plan. I'm going to
make sure you get to the House of Representatives so
then I get elected. When I get elected, the same
gentlemen that was leading the charge to have me ban
(17:05):
from running for the party. He ends up getting into
a public scandal. Right. So that's how I became the
leader of the opposition, because because there are only five
of us in the House of Representatives, and you can
only be the leader of the opposition if you're a
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member of Parliament, and no one else wanted to do it.
The person that ended up overthrowing me or trying to
overthrow me, engaging the coup detat. We begged her to
take the position because she was senior me and I
had no ambition outside of twenty thirty. I was thinking
(17:50):
twenty thirty, I'd be the leader. I wanted to win
my seat twice. I wanted to put in the work,
but she didn't want to do it. She aligned herself
with that gentleman. So I became leader of the opposition.
We tried to recall that gentleman. Uh. He withstood the
recall petition. Uh. They gave him back leader of the Opposition.
(18:12):
I relinquished the position. This was in September January. He
gets arrested and charged for assault and so he has
to resign and there has to be convention. Now for
leader of the party. I become leader of Opposition again.
(18:32):
I won that convention. My father never gave me a dime. Yes,
of course, you know he told whoever, would you know,
ask him? Yeah, sure you should vote for him. But
I had to forge relationships with people that he told
me not to forge relationships with.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
As a matter of fact, this is complex.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's a whole there's a whole political book. Back to
May Secondlyn.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
King's Theater, which is so interesting because I think about
what was that like when you were living in Flatbush, you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Know, Kingstead. It was just just a monument. It was inoperable.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So it has to feel amazing to be able to
go back to a place where really, you know, live.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Nation, respect the live nation. They had approached me early
last year after I lost my seat, and I told
Steve O, Who's My God, that this is what I
was thinking about. And I wanted to return to the stage,
wanted to put out the albums uh. And so they
wanted me to start the tour at Brooklyn Paramount. Uh.
(19:40):
But then when the King's Theater situation evolved, I said,
there's no way that I could do it anywhere else.
So yeah, it's and I didn't even when they kept
saying King's Theater, and then I did my research.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I'm like, that's good being there.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I were like four blocks away from there, so it's not.
I'm glad that you're doing it there. And you have
a lot of people popping out because I saw that
you even now some But even I didn't know anything,
like you said, Junior Mafia, I saw you what it is,
what it is.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I don't know if I said, but caes is my.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
My brother is coming BK.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Ruby said well, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say
that you said.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I said. I think I said respect to Ses, respect
to k because they were talking about the history that
we have, and I said that we're all brothers. Now,
we're all good.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Only man can do stuff like Yeah, when when they
become friends.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Whens came to Rikers Island, I took care of him.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
He is a good guy. Yeah, and you know they
really are good guys.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Think about being young teenagers on the same label and
being pitted against it, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, but we you know, once once that situation happened
to Rikers Island and I took care of Sees. We've
been brothers ever since. And d Rock was actually locked
up at the same time, and you know, we were
able to get on the phone. He was like, man,
I really appreciate what you did with Brothers for life.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
What was it like going in and being so high
profile at the time, Like as far as how other
people treated you.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Uh, yeah, it's the gift in the cursed, I believe.
Sure there were people that felt sorry for me. There
were people that felt, well, he's not going to come
in here and think that that sean. You know, status
means anything. And that was from the authority perspective to
(21:34):
the inmate perspective, So it was both. So it was
really about me and my relationship with God because it
could go either way any day. And I always say
that prayer and God really intervening on my behalf got
me through because you could end up getting killed in
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or you can end up killing someone and have to
do life. So it's not it's nothing nice. So I
prayed every day before the sun came up, I'm praying.
I prayed seven times a day, wrap out to filling,
not fast. There was a time where I was fasting
for six months sun up to sundown, six months straight. Yes,
(22:22):
I did a lot in order to not just survive.
I put out a number one rap.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Album twenty five years we're celebrating.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
No, that's my second the second album, the second album
I released while.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Why you put it out while you were number one gees?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, that was number one. I was on Usher's album
that sold over thirty million records and got a Grammy.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And people went hard for you to put that album
out because it felt like, you know, and I've seen
people talking about this, how they wanted these artists to
live the life that they're talking about on the records.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You know, we're having that discussion now as we talk
about what I'm doing with that to Dre and Swiss
Beats and hit Boy and and and all the all
the goats that I'm boy wonder all the goats that
I'm recording with now, they're like, well, what are you
going to talk about? We want that shine Poe And
(23:17):
I'm like, shine Poe is an energy. Shine poe uh
is an energy of what I created with that. When
you listen to the classics, it's it's a flow, it's
a confidence, it's it's a cadence, it's a you know,
it's an attitude. It's a conviction. Uh, but you can
(23:40):
you can repurpose that I don't need to talk about like,
you know, one of my one of the artists I'm
impressed with very much as a rapper is Stove God. Uh.
You know, but I would never say the things that
he's saying because that's not the life that I live.
But I'm not so I'm not impressed with what he's saying.
I don't like him because he's talking that dope boy talk.
(24:03):
I'm impressed with his personality and the way he puts
his words together and the way, you know, so comfortable
and you know, he he's such a larger than life
force on on the beat and not everyone has that.
Like he caught my attention, and I'm hard. I don't
really pay attention and I don't listen to that on
my day to day. I'm more listening to you know,
Octane don Tolliver, you know, and then you know Protege
(24:27):
or lela Ik or you know Valiant Harmony, you know,
bring the boy wiz Kid, Like I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I'm all over money.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He'll be at my coffee shop next week doing a
past the ox.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Just throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brent Fryars. You know Chris Brown.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, so that's more my Brys and Tiller.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh yeah, so he broke through from to you just
his abilities, his skill and how he puts it together.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yes, That's what I'm looking at when you think about
what from Hey, I'm telling you all I have to
do is be shine. The content is irrelevant, but the
content for me, it's irrelevant. As far as skill and
as far as quality of product. It's significant for me
(25:17):
because I can't be dishonest. My art has always I'm
an artist. I've never been one of those people that
just made stuff up and just made you know, records
and went pop. I've always been an artist and so
I'll continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So it feels like it's going to be global. Maybe
talks about ownership and things like that, I don't know.
I'm just trying to because you you were already in
the studio with Doctor Dre. Have you gone in the
studio with Rizza already?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Or is that I have the music. I have the music,
and what happens is you don't get to go in
the studio to record with everyone because of scheduling conflicts.
But I've sat with most of the people come up
with the music. Uh, and then sometimes I'll go record and.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Then we'll example some of what you've recorded so far.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So like we know we have Timberland Swiss s beats.
Oh well I can't. It was just the conversation. But
it's the conversation that I'm having now. It's a retrospective
in the sense of their their questions that people might
have that I need to answer. It's prospective as to
how I see the world and and and what I
(26:30):
would like to see in the world in the future.
It's present, you know, commenting on you know, what is
happening around me having a conversation. But I would I
would liken it to more Bob Marley, you know, type
of electricity and energy where he was the roughest, toughest
(26:52):
talking about the world. He talked about his world, the
world and how he saw the world. And I'm saying
from a parliamentarian's perspective, a personal policymaker, to someone who
came from the gutter, who came from poverty, talking to
my young self, talking to the young people that are
(27:14):
looking at me having a conversation with this, There's so
much to say like you said, with the documentary, you
wanted to hear more. So there's different conversations to have
about my life retrospectively, introspectively and prospectively.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Now listen, another thing that went viral recently, Sean, because
I know this's got to be in the book.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So you went on with Cam and Mace.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
One of the first questions Camera I asked you and
Mace was about Brandy. Brandy did not appreciate the conversation
that you guys had about her. As a matter of fact,
I might have her quote of what she posted because
she normally does not respond to anything. And ray J
I think probably made the issue a little worse with
his comments. But Brandy said in the late nineties, I
(27:59):
had a platon friendship with Rapper Shine. In an unfortunate
turn of events, that friendship is now being mischaracterized as
we dated unequivocally we did not. I'm not sure why
an untrue narrative about a scope of what was a
friendship more than twenty years ago is being reshaped during
his current media interviews. And so she had an issue
(28:19):
with you and Mace discussing her. Now, I felt like
it wasn't tasteless. It wasn't like you guys degraded her
in any way. It was more like I didn't know
that you were dealing with her, and we don't know
if that relationship was intimate or if it was like
a I don't know what it was, but she didn't
appreciate it. So now and then ray J had some
(28:41):
things to say that were very wild.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
But as far as Brandy, this is the same Brandy
that went on Oprah and said that she was married
when she wasn't and had to go back on Oprah
and apologize for lying because she felt that she had
to protect her image and then want to be a
mother out of wedlock. So Brandy has proven that she
would say whatever in order to protect whatever she thinks
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should be her public PERSONA. I have never done that.
I never lie. I have no need to lie. And
the context in which I spoke about her was actually
giving her flowers and praising her. But nothing that I
said about my relationship interaction with her is untrue. It's
a trillion it's a trillion percent true. And in fact,
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in the documentary I don't call her name, Clark Kent
calls her name and says, yeah, everybody knew Sean was
messing with Brandy. That's a known fact. Any person you
speak to from back then knew that. You know, there
was an interaction there simultaneous to the interaction with Mace.
(29:51):
That's just a fact. And I didn't bring it up
to say, ooh, you know I was seeing Brandy at
the same time Mace was seeing Brandy. You know, yeah,
I'm a top shot for that. No. I brought it
up in the context of I shouldn't have done that
because I was just coming to the label and you know,
he was the superstar of the label. But initially I
(30:14):
really didn't know because their relationship was private, and she
didn't say anything. You know, when she invited me to
come see her in Los Angeles and I got on
a plane, she didn't say, oh, by the way, you
should know that. You know, but yes, because what I
(30:36):
was doing is I was, and something that I have
never done since because I learned my lesson and now
I'm one of the most private people on planet Earth.
I never talk about my personal life, my love life,
and I never post pictures of anyone that's just not
me in real life. I don't talk about, you know,
(30:56):
my intimate life to anyone because of that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But I was because of that situation, of.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Course, yeah, because that that damaged the situation that it was.
You know, I can understand why you wouldn't want to
continue with someone because then it's like, yo, what are
you doing? And especially someone in her position. So yeah,
I was so excited. I was so excited that I
(31:24):
was interacting with her. I was telling, you know, a
mutual friend of Mace, and I not knowing that he
would go back and tell Mace until she came to
me and she's like, first.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Of all, so you were basically so would you say
you were the side piece?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You're getting me into further conundrum, quagmire of these labels.
All I will say is everything that I have said
is a trillion per se true. There's no cat with me.
There's no need for me to cap It's all true.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And the intent was not to be disrespectful.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And I'm feelings me saying that that you're my crush
and you're a dream come true? How could that be tasteless? Like?
How in what world and what planet? Now? Now you
being exposed for seeing two label mates at the same time.
I could understand maybe why she would want to revise
(32:23):
that truth, but it is the truth. And again I
never got into the details as to, you know, every
single moment and what was done and what was not.
I never even went there.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It's interesting because it is in the documentary, like we
said two years ago. But I feel like, yeah, for
some reason, this turned into.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Because Mace, because Mace confirms it, and Mace is like, yeah,
you know. And and again if anyone knows Mace, and
even in the interview that I did with Mace, we
didn't necessarily agree on everything. You know, Like his position
on Puff is a little bit more extreme than mind
because he feels like, you know what, you shouldn't even
(33:02):
be around him, you shouldn't even have reconnected with him
after what he did. And he's you know, he went
into a thing of, you know, blaming everyone for the
monster that Puff became because they never said anything. It's
a lot. So if I was capping, he would have
been like, nah, nah, pro I don't remember it like that.
(33:24):
I was. I was the only one special. He wasn't.
I don't know, I don't, I don't know. No, but
he said he I wanted to be special, and he
let me be specially.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think maybe the Shaq and Kobe line. And that's
awesome in the documentary because you guys, but that was
just the fact.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
And that, but but it was actually but that's another again.
You know, maybe her her idea of interacting with with
men is just different, right, So yeah, I guess her
and Kobe were platonic friends. Hermon wan Ye were platonic friends.
Her and Mace were platonic friends. No problem. You know.
(34:00):
All I'm saying is, don't have me out here as
if I'm I'm lying, I'm making things up.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's ridiculous, Okay, I understood, And the intent was not
malicious though I didn't. I didn't get that from it,
not at all when I watched it. And all I'm
saying is, and it was in the documentary, like I said, and.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Said by Clark Kent. Yeah, I kept her identity private.
Clark Kent is the one that said it because he
said it's like a known fact. Rest in peace, Clark Kent.
Why would Clark Kent lie? Why would may slide? Again,
we can't say that about her if we're going to
be putting people's credibility into question, which is what I
feel her statement. Did. She's the only one that we
(34:42):
know that has lied about something very significant to the public.
I've never been accused of that. I've never done that.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You also did respond to ray J.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, I mean I was just having a little fun. Uh,
you know, I just just have this happened. I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get into any details.
I just was having a little fun and I said
the truth. I did not hit first.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
What did you think when you saw his post?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Because I saw it and I have love for raising,
but I was like, Raisy, Yeah, but I think.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
We all, we all, we all accept that he's having
some mental issues right now or some type of some
type of emotional whatever he's going through.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, Okay, you're like moving on.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Lay second Kings Big Brooklyn new album coming out November.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay. So the album is coming out in November, and
what's the title, Honorable the Honorable? Okay, all right, And I.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Have another album coming out next.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Year, Memory coming out, and the Memoir come.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Out next year early next year, spring next year. Yeah,
then the the Rap Prime Minister still come out and
fall again.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You know, we got to give it up to Manny Haley.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I want to say that too, but being a person
that was there with you throughout this whole entire ordeal.
People talk about this music industry game and how wicked
it can be, and how people are fair weather when
it comes to your on top they're with you, then
something happens and everybody forgets about you.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
But he literally put his house up to.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Get you out on bell when nobody was trying to
do that from the label. You couldn't even get anyone
to pick up the phone.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yes, yes, And we're friends to this day, to this day,
and when I.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Go to California, always get together to this day.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
One thing that I also loved learning about you was
how determined you were to get signed, like you were
going and showing up to five sixty State Street and
standing outside getting your CD thrown out by Jay Z.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Because he didn't physically throw the cet just roll the
window up. He just rolled the four point six, roll
the wind up and drove off. But yeah, I think
you know what. One of the reasons I wanted to
do the documentary as well is for inspirational purposes. I
do feel that people can look at my life and
(37:02):
they can draw from my life. Never give up never given, endure,
prey and your time will come, and I'm the poster
child for your time or will come, and that we
are invincible. I don't feel that I'm special, even though
Mace thinks that I wanted to be special and let
(37:23):
me be special. I think we're all special. I think
we all have what I have. We just have to
dig deep inside and find it. And so that's a
part of the gift of entertainment, the gift of storytelling,
whether it be documentaries or movies or albums or this
(37:45):
platform right these instruments can be used to lift people up.
So if someone is listening right now that's having a
difficult time and they feel stuck, they feel overwhelmed, they
feel like why me, I've been there, and I pray
and I keep powering through. And when people ask me
(38:05):
what was the most difficult thing I ever did, it
was going from being poor in a single parent household,
having nothing but hope and a dream, to becoming shine.
Once I did that, there's nothing else that I couldn't do.
Chasing the Street team down, going to five sixty State Street.
I'll never forget. It's in the documentary when I was
delivering packages and it was raining, and if you don't
(38:29):
deliver the packages when it rains, you get fired. And
like I was there at Barrack Street, right downstairs from
Deaf Jam, and I wanted to give up, and I
kept going, having the hope of tomorrow in mind that
you know what, I'm not going to be delivering packages
much longer. And you know, that's one of the reasons
I'm so grateful. And this is such a celebratory time
(38:52):
for me. That's why I may second it is so important.
That's why I'm returning to the stage. I'm not returning
to the stage to be famous or to be a
rapper per se, or to be a celebrity. I've moved
on from such existence. As I said, I'm in enlightenment.
So now I create music. I create experiences for human connection.
(39:14):
Like I love the people that love me. That love
has gotten me through knowing even in politics and believes
in politics and beliefs. I went through hell because of
being a deportee, being someone who's convicted once in their
entire life, that one thing at nineteen. They wouldn't let
me live it down until now finally, I'm like a
(39:37):
hero in my country because of the resilience because of
not turning my back after I lost and when I
started traveling the States again, even though I did it before,
I always mentioned belize, like right now, inviting you to come.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
To believe and I want to go. Isn't that where
Ja Prince has.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
His few islands.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Yeah, he has thousands of acres.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, he's doing the most out there.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But what do you think is tough for the rap
game or the politics game?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Uh? I would say it's it's a bit tougher for
me politically, But both are tough because both are dealing
with people and people's subjective opinion. So I think maybe
(40:25):
the question you're more targeting is the infrastructure, meaning the
business of politics and the business of music. And I
would say the business of politics is a bit more
challenging because we're in the business of music. At least
in hip hop music, people knew what lines not to
cross and politics and believe they were out the window
(40:47):
with no parachute, and uh, you know, they would really
test test your patients.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And be the most judgmental.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, I'm talking about the politicians, the fellow politicians judging everybody, well,
not just judging, butting fraud.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yes, and the are the ones doing right.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And doing things that will trigger you. But then I
don't want to be the politician to change uh the
climate and resort to things that are unlawful. Uh, you
know so, But it was tough because the way that
they did me, they did me dirty.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Do you sometimes think that things happened for your own protection?
Because and I know that sometimes a hard thing to consider,
but seeing how things have turned out now, right, and
you know, seeing where did he's at and the things
he's gone through when people saying why didn't the people around.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Him, you know, do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
But and thank god you weren't around for any of
those things. But sometimes things happen and we can't explain it.
But in the grand scheme of things, it could have
been protecting protecting you from something worse.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
That is a that is a possibility.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I think the decisions that we make create the life
that we receive. So I'm not sure. I don't necessarily
think God babies us. I think God wants us to
(42:20):
be creators and he allows us to make the choices.
So I had an unlicensed weapon, and so there are
consequences to that. I would never encourage any young person
listening to me now to have an unlicensed weapon. But
I was defending myself.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
They kept saying, if you would just do the gun,
I'm like, how is that possible, because when your prints
have been all over it and witness.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, the thing is, I accept that I was defending myself.
The reason I went to prison was because of puff
and I don't necessarily care to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
It's not about I know you've talked it exactly, but
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Making the point that he made a decision. He made
like we're all making choices.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It's not like it's not like God.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
It's not like God is sitting up there like, oh,
I'm going to let Shine go to jail so that
he's not a part of the free call. I wouldn't
have been a part of the free call, no matter what,
right I'm yeah, well no, I mean, listen, I'm not
here to judge. I'm just saying that wasn't me. I
wasn't you know, Yeah, no, it wouldn't have been me.
(43:28):
But so I didn't need to go ten years to
be to be away from because if I was here
for ten years, I'd be a billionaire. That's how I
look at it. I look at the positives I would
I would have probably you know, been the other rapper
to win an oscar because my dream was to follow
the Tupac prototype of being an actor and a a rapper.
(43:55):
So so yeah, I don't look at it, but you know,
God knows best. So I just thank God for mercy
because I think we make choices and then we have
to figure out our life. We make choices. People make choices,
and then you have to make lemonade out of lemons
and you have to make the best of it.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
When did forgiveness happen for you? Like, was there a
particular time when you were finally like, and I know
it's for you. It's like you said, it's not that
you forget, but forgiveness is necessary, so you're not holding on.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
When I was in Israel, when I was in Jerusalem,
that's when I chose forgiveness. And it was a up
and down thing thereafter because after my interaction with him
in Paris. You know, remember there's a thing in the
in the lawsuit where Cassie talks about being in Paris
(44:46):
and him spending you know, a half a million dollars
because he has just put hands on her or whatever,
and so that's what he would do to make things
right and to cover up all that he was doing.
I didn't see him put hands on her. I didn't
see that the after results, but he definitely went. I
(45:08):
saw him one Saturday, went and spent like a half
a million dollars shopping and I was like, man, you
could have gave that to me for that ten years
that I did at least right anyway. But so I
think what happened when he and I. So there was forgiveness,
but then there was a period of expectation. It's like,
(45:31):
you sent me to prison, you're a billionaire or maybe
that time he wasn't at a billion, but he had
a couple hundred million, right, fine, So that led to,
you know what, just keep living my life but not
holding on to that, moving on as much as possible.
(45:52):
But when I really became liberated is when I didn't
even think about what he had.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
And what he owed me as far as him owing
me his.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Life, because I feel I saved his life. Once I
got to that space, that is when I was able to,
you know, interact with him because I didn't expect anything
from him and I knew better, and I know who
he is, and it's like, well, you know what, if
he begged me to perform at the BET Awards, that
(46:24):
was him, that wasn't me. I was actually offended when
he asked me. I was like, I'm not a rapper.
I'm trying to be the Prime Minister. Believe what are
you doing to me? I already have to struggle with
these people that call me a deportee, called me a criminal,
and think that I'm just a rapper and I don't
know about policy and education and healthcare and economic development,
Like why would you even ask me that? But the
(46:45):
only reason I did it was because I said, well listen,
if I'll do it, it's because of Belize. I'm going
to you know, I need that big flag on the
stage and everything has to be Belize, and you know,
we need to talk about how you're going to work
to help believe. And that was how I looked at
that relationship. Yeah. So so he's the one that kept
(47:09):
asking me to.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Do things because it makes him look better too.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Whatever it was, But I just thought about believes. So
when people said, well, why were you on the stage
with him? Believe right? It was it was an opportunity.
And and also I won't I won't deny it wasn't
in a sense of a full circle moment. Whereas now
he's needing me, he keeps asking me to help him.
(47:36):
Maybe he knew what was in the pipeline as far
as the case and the charges and the accusations. Maybe
he knew something and he was I don't want to
go that far. I wasn't even thinking that. I was
just thinking, here it is. And if you look at
how that my performance ends, it really ends, you know,
us face to face, you know, me saluting him, him
(47:57):
saluting me. And that was a moment, and that that's
what the documentary is so beautiful, because I'm the victor,
I triumph. I got nothing from him, and I made
myself and I was able to thrive despite that. And
now I'm in a position where he needs me to
celebrate his legacy. Because there are many bad boy artists,
(48:18):
you know, but I was one of them. I could
they could have excluded me.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
You know, Belize is so important to you.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yes, and so if somebody's never been to Belize and
they're listening right now and they're like, you know what
I'm listening to? I want to go to Belize, what
would you where would you tell them to go? Where
would you tell them to stay? Just because I know
people are thinking about planning travel and.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, so San Pedro. San Pedro is one of my
favorite places. Placentia is another one of my favorite places.
Hopkins another one of my favorite places as far as
where I would recommend to go visit that have the
resorts that I stay if you're into the because in
(49:06):
my older age, as I've evolved and matured, I like
the river. I'm I'm a beach person. First, it's beach,
that salt water, that Caribbean sea, that Belizean sea. But
as I've gotten older, I appreciate, uh the river jungle vibe.
(49:27):
It makes me feel like I'm in the Garden of Eden. Yeah.
So there's this one place in in Cayo, So Cayo
is where I would go. That's in the west and
uh in San Ignacio, uh called Kana. It feels like
the Garden of Eden and yeah, and they have the
plunge pools and they could take you to the river. Yeah.
(49:51):
But so those are my places, San Pedro, Placentia, Hopkins,
uh Kana. Yeah, and make sure that you visit the
Maya temples.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, right there.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, that's very very very spiritual, very very spiritual, very
powerful and pactful. The food is so delicious and and
so all those places I name are in different parts
of Belize. So San Pedro is in the north, in
Amberger's Key, Placentia is in the south, in stan Creek,
Hopkins is in stan Creek. Uh. San Ignacio is in
(50:31):
the Cayo District. That's in the west. So that is
what is so divine about Belize. The multi dimensionalism is
just enthralling. You get a different experience everywhere. Nothing is
the same. What you're going to experience in San Pedro
is different than what you're experience right now.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Like, okay, let's go to Belize, girl.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, the food is delicious, but different tasts everywhere. You know,
we have the Garyfund of food, we have the Creole food,
we have the Spanish food, we have everything.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's just and as you're thinking about your new projects.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
We want to do resorts. That's why I'm not naming
any resorts right now, because you know, I want I
want you to stay. I want you to stay at
my resort. But I named one that that yeah, because
I'm not going out there. I'm not going to Cayo yet.
I want to start with San Pedro and Placentia and
maybe maybe Hopkins dan Griga is nice too.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Like we're taking notes.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yes, if ever, if ever a time to visit, A
good time to visit. These are the two good times
I would tell people to visit, besides New Year's September,
which is the most important month in the Belizian calendar
because it is the month of our independence, September twenty first,
and it is the month of the Battle Saint George's Key,
(52:01):
which is when we the enslaved Africans joined forces with
the British Enslavers and they defeated the Spanish, and that
is how we got on the pathway to become independent.
And that's September tenth. And right before that is Carnival out. Yes,
(52:23):
a carnival is emerging. We're not Trinidad yet, we're not Barbados,
but it's definitely emerging. It's a great experience, wonderful, beautiful people,
beautiful women. Yeah, so that would be a good time
to visit. A lot of concerts, a great opportunity to
(52:44):
experience the culture, and you know, you could go around
the country. You can go to San Pedro and the
city's fifteen minutes away by plane. Placentia would be a
little further. It's a forty five minute flight from the city.
But yeah, the next time to visit would be November eighteenth,
(53:06):
nineteenth because that is Garifuna Settlement Day. My ancestors are
Garyfuna on my mother's side, Garyfuna. They're African people, you know,
that mixed with Arawak in Saint Vincent and they were
expelled and then they went to Honduras and Guatemala and Belize.
(53:27):
But their Garyfuna Settlement Day is amazing because what they
do is they re enact when the boat came to Belize,
and so we talk about culture. And then what's so
beautiful about and that is in dan Grega, that is
in stand Quick as well, but a place called dan Griga.
What is so beautiful about dan Griga is they still
(53:50):
speak Garyfuna. So that is a you travel into time
so to still hear original African lang which mixed with
the Irawuak and they mix some Spanish with it because
obviously they settle in the Spanish, but it's African. They
still wear the African Garbo. Outside of that November that's
(54:11):
in November, November eighteenth, nineteenth. It's nineteenth is the day,
but then the celebration starts on the eighteenth because they
celebrate all day and they stay up all night until
the boat comes in.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
So it feels like we're going to believe. Yeah to beliez, you.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Just let me know. I'm sure. I work very closely
with the Ministry of Tourism. I know they would love
to have someone like you down there, and so you
just got to tell us when you want to come.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
All right, girls, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
You should actually do lip service, lip service and belize.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
All right, imagine to talk about somethings on on the.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Beach drinking some cabinet. I don't know what you and
the ladies be drinking.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, I know that camp champagne. What's the what's the drink?
What do people drinking? Belize? Like, what's the rum? Rum?
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Okay, I'm down with that, yeah, rum punt. Well listen, Sean,
I'm so excited. May second King's Theater, Brooklyn. We outside,
flat wish we are flat, wish we're outside. And this
is you headlining too, a headlining tour which is something
you haven't had a chance to.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
Do before, unfortunately, but thank god we can correct that now.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
All right, we're outside. Well, thank you so much. I
appreciate you. The honorable coming out when.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
The honorable album is coming out in November.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
November, okay, which is an important month in Belize too,
so ed your birthday, Well, thank you so much for
coming through.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
You gotta come back and we gotta This was fun
for me and I love talking about politics. But I'm
excited to travel to Belize. So all right, and congratulations
on everything. Honestly, like watching your journey, that is just
remarkable to see where you are today after everything that
you've been through. But we appreciate your being so open
about everything and transparent than you.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
You're special.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Thank you, Belief.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Don't let anybody tell you not.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yep.
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