December 19, 2025 • 45 mins
Tamar Braxton Gets Real: Affairs, Therapy, Explosive Drama & Exes! + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up is way up at Angela.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yee Mano's here, always a treat and hey, my Braxton
is in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm shuld I move my bags so the people can
see the face and the you know, she can't go
on the floor, definitely is not going on the floor.
Let's put it right there on the table.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thank you, all right, and congratulations on Heartbreak Retrograde not
just an EP but also a movie.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yes, yes, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, I had to, and let me tell you why.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I had to because the EP really told a story
and I wanted people to understand the story that I
was telling.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And I had.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
To show a visual of you know, things that happened
during the Heartbreak Retrograde.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's a real thing, yes, a real thing.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, you also did the full EP with Tricky Stewart.
I did, so that's that's a dope thing too, because
it feels very cohesive.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Actually, Tricky and I came up with the whole concept
at a restaurant, were sitting at the bar and I
was just telling him. I don't even know why, I
randomly told him the story and so we did this
EP and now we're doing part two.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So this is a real story.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
So every song is something something that you actually went through.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely, so you were and sing Can you be in
love with two people at once?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Absolutely, you think so. I think you can be confused.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By one, but it's still love, right.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think you're confused by one. There's always somebody you
like better though, That's what I was trying to say. Yeah,
you confused by one.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You might like the attention from one, you know what
I mean. Then you might really have a vibe with
the other, you know what I mean. But it's always
something that's missing, and nothing is. In my experience, nothing
of the two was complete.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I can understand you can I build the perfect person,
but there is no sense you might need.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
A couple people to build that perfect thing, right? Is
that what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, it was just a situation and I didn't mean to,
and you broke somebody's heart, did And sometimes when that happens,
you realize that you messed and that was the person
you should have with.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I knew when I ended the situation, the affair situation,
but I was up front about how I felt about
the person who I spun the block with, and I
just had unresolved feelings, you know, and I had to
see it through. I mean, I'm sorry that somebody got
hurt in the interim with that, but I.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Really had to figure that out and heal from that situation.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Was it something that you wasn't getting in that relationship
that made you feel like you had.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Nothing to do with had everything to do with me? Yeah,
look at that accountability.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You too will take accountability for the stop.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
But you also got some awest.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
First of all, you have Vince on here now.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I find that's so funny with you and your ex husband,
you actually can talk to him.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
That's how we are in real life. That is, did
he talk to you about women?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, he has an amazing girlfriend. I think he did
it this time. Okay, that he really like slam dunkd
it this time. She's a really, really nice, beautiful lady.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's dope. I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Could you ever have seen yourself in this space back then?
Because I also think people have to look into the
future when you first.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Break up with somebody. It's dramatic, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You can't even picture yourself ever being in a space
where you're like, I like his new girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, we know, Vinsent, our situation was a little bit
different because, you know, we basically grew up together almost right,
and so like he became a family member more than
a husband.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Was real friendship.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Does that make sense? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
They you know, I was reading this stat They said,
after five years of being married, the person feels more
like your friend or roommate.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I think it should feel like that though, it should
feel like a super dope close friendship.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, it should. Okay, what's the longest relationship you've been in,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Four years? Yeah, that's a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
How are you a couple?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
A couple of years old?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh my gosh, are you married now?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, he's trying to get married you're engaged? No, he's not.
I'm lost. What happened?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
He once again made okay without the broad but it's
going to get set.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's manifestation or.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Sometimes you got to manifest things. You got to put
it out there.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
What are some red flags if you have to say,
from learning from things that have happened to you in
the past, if you have to give you a three
top red flags, what would they be?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Someone who's not accountable, someone who don't know how to communicate. Okay,
let me say I think those are my two biggest
not knowing how to communicate and not being accountable.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You know, Vince was saying something that was interesting. He
was saying that when people are around you, they want.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
To be you. What this is crazy, but he's been
saying that for years.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, do you think there's any tooth to what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't know. I think that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
When you're dating somebody like us, it is it's easy
to get used to that when they're not that because
I like regular guys, right, and so when the regular
guy come into the situation, it's given lights, camera action different. Okay,
(05:30):
you get what I'm saying, and they want to and
I'm tell you something, you know, like fame is very
contagious and so probably yeah, he might be right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They start to kind of like.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They want that, they want that, they want that for.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Uhi, I've seen it have like if they want to
be a celebrity. So you might think you met the
right person and everything's good, and you probably like the
fact that they're not in the limelight and that I
can be regular. Yeah, but then they turn into wanting
to be the fame monster, righto.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Sheesh?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Now, learning from your past, miss, I wouldn't say mistakes,
but learning from past situations, how do you move forward now? Like,
what are some things that you're like, Okay, this is
what Tay needs to do in order for her to,
you know, find happiness, because I know you want to.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You You've spoken to I really want it, and I
feel like I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And I'm ready now because I fully healed from everything,
all of my past relationships. And I had to do
a lot of work to do that, right and I
didn't even know that I needed that, but I needed
this time off to really heal from all of those things.
Because now I am not bringing baggage into a new situation.
(06:46):
Now I can take that situation. It's face value.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
How do you heal? Girl? Therapy? Real therapy, real therapy,
you know, and medication.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You know, I need little help sometimes, right Yeah, and
so and that's just my journey, you know, And and
that's it's worked for me.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I respect that, Yeah, I respect that. I respect that
you you open about that because a lot of people
not as honest.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, but a lot of people are addicted to their
nervous system. Being out of whack, you know what I mean.
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, I always look at you like you have
so many different things going on that you have to
juggle and balance. And in the public we get to
see a lot of Tamar's life, but I can't even
imagine what it must feel like for people to see
like your family life play out, your relationship, you know,
life play out. I know you're in the middle of
a lawsuit right now, so we can't discuss that situation.
(07:39):
But social media everybody wanting to weigh in on things
and sometimes not feeling your best, but you still got
to push through and keep going.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, you know, which is why my next situation will
be completely private.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay ooh yeah, that's yeah, because that's been a minute
for Yeah, you know, so no coming on the TV
show that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But that's hard. How you're gonna go out in public?
I mean, it won't be a secret, it will just
be private.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, you just won't be letting you into your life, like,
not at all. You know what I wanted to ask
you about.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
This liquid BBL. Yeah, the first time I ever heard
about that, But I was fine for like three weeks
on the.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Practice I got it, So what happens. So it's like
the same injection that you would put your lips your feelings.
So it goes away very quickly. But I was real
good and fine for three weeks. But I won't get
it again because I do not like needles. Yeah, I
can't blame you for that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You ever thought about getting a real BB no?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Why? Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I didn't know that getting an augmentation would change so
much about myself. Yeah, and so yes, I should have
did a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Really yes, and I never wanted to. But what made
you say? I just wanted to, you know, feel good,
you know what I mean, and just.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You know, kind of like enhance things for the better
when you get older, or when you go through a
bad breakup or just when you just want to feel
good about yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, I'm just wondering because I know, you know, I mean,
tell everybody you know, the tay Martians love you.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You've always been.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So I just wondered if there was like a moment
but I get it, a bad breakup and you're like,
let me do me.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, let me just be my best, the best version
of myself I could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now, I want to ask you about one of my
favorite songs on the album. When you know you know
you like that song at the end, it kind of
feels a little Prince vibe it is, okay it yes,
it's my favorite artist. Okay, I felt that in that song. Yeah,
And I love how you sing on that song.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Thank you, thank you so chick can I you know
he's he's such an amazing, amazing producer. He just knew
what it needed.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And he bought it.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And I'm just so grateful for him because we've been
known each other since I was about sixteen years old, right,
and so like we're working with him as an adult
and being vulnerable. There was times I was like straight
up crying in the booth, you know, because I'm letting
it out and letting it go, and it was just
it was just beautiful to see like as kids we
were one way now as adults who've really been through
(10:15):
some things, we can still be that same vulnerable, you know,
great friendship that we have.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So that crime was like releasing and the therapy.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Of it, yeah, because I had a lot of grief
behind it and a lot of guilt too, and so
like a lot of people don't speak about when you
are accountable for things. You are going through something as well,
you know what I mean, And I just had to
allow myself to.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Go through it. What are some things you learned about
yourself and therapy every day? Sharing with.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
What hmmm, like any aha moments that you were like,
that's why I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Trying to think you put me on the spiny.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's so and that's the point of it all many
because since I don't know why we act the way
we act, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
We don't No, you don't, you for sure? That's funny
in relationships.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
The biggest thing that I've learned is I used to
give all of me and I can't do that anymore, okay,
because then I lose myself.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Wow. Because we're told to give, you cannot.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
So what's what's a good.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You're given?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You're give enough to be in it and stay in
it and and and stay focused in firm and and
and really stick to your boundaries because those things are
really important that will make a relationship down to.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
You'll ever find a space or ever be in a
space where you give one hundred.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Again, I don't know what that means.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I give one hundred percent when I fully truly love
somebody absolutely, but I'm not giving one hundred percent of me.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I need a percentage of me to maintain. Okay, I
get that, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, that's like ten percent of like just for me,
my alone time, my time with my friend's time to be.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, you have to be. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I always feel like in relationships you have to be
a whole individual. You know how people will act like
you know, that's my better half or that's but really
we each got to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Gotta be and the people not coming to the table,
not even fifty percent. Now you know, the people are
giving very much fifteen percent and it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Like I I had to get myself out of a
pattern of dating or being with an unhealed person because
I was.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, and you know, it's hard because everyone knows who
you are. Yeah, and so sometimes you don't know what
somebody's there for too.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like you said, they.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Wouldn't be well not you said, Vince said, yeah, like
Vin said, Now we another than you did in this movie.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And y'all got to watch my guy, Julia. I love him.
I love him too. He's so attracted it. It shouldn't
have been which shouldn't have been. It shouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Wrote it, though I did. You wrote that dialogue. It
was some very graphic.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Which part because let's get into it. I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I was like, you got to stop playing with me.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
You sucking that nigga didn't kiss and kiss on me
after you suck that nigga did?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like that party?
Speaker 5 (13:28):
He still like that was crazy that that was you
really wrote that?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No, he wrote that party.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
He wrote that.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, let me tell you it was a very important
part of the movie because this is okay, So this
is another thing that I learned.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, so we.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Hear all about women all the time. When the woman
sat up, we gone out of here. No one ever
speaks about a man. And when a man is done,
what is that like?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I get done, I get done.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Done, And it was him being done being done. Yeah,
you get it.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I get it. Yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't ready for it.
It was just like he wasn't ready.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Because we you know what it is when you see
people acting and we know me in DC, so I'm like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It's a great actor. Yeah. I was like what is he?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, I mean, I mean both of them are amazing.
And when he heard love Me, he was just like,
I don't know, the character just like really jumped inside
of him.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I was just like, wow, he
did that. Yeah, he had some things. He was like, yeah,
he was ate that up.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You know, it's interesting, You're right though, because a lot
of times men are the ones that are also.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I feel like men don't want to know when women cheat. Well, yes,
they just because I feel like we're always looking for
stuff men. So let me just give it to you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So the part of the film where Medc's takes my phone,
that really happened.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Somebody really took your phone and went through it and
read once again, you shifted my uterus.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Also you that, oh I like her honesty.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You the greatest, greatest shift the woman ever told you that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Absolutely, I mean you're the shift, like absolutely, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But listen, here's my question. Sound listening.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Is this though, for a man to read that about
the woman that he's in a relationship with and that
she's speaking on another.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Man, you can't come back from that.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He might not ever come back from that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's what I'm saying he might be so that all
be thinking, I ain't shifting nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I ain't shifted. I'm not a shifter. I'm not
a shifter.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
When really, and when really, I was just popping ship.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Right, I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You were just talking and I was in my masculine
energy and I was.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Just basically like, yo, I had a good time. Right,
that's good basically, But reading that though a man, it's hard,
and I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Felt that's why I had so much grief around the situation.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Did you tell him that like you shifted me? Did
you ever like hit him with.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Something like that, because that's the worst when you said
the same thing to both of them and now he
got to read you writing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I don't know, but when I was in that energy,
it gave very much. I could have said anything to
both of them.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, I love you. I love your honesty, man.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Because you know, a lot of times we see men
doing stuff like this. It's not as often that and
women do it, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Like talked about.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, And that's why it was so important to me
and why I was so disappointed that so much scandal
was around it, because it was such an important message, Right,
not just me taking accountability, but for other women to
take accountability and live in their truth about it right
and heal from the situation and also give that person
what they need to move on. You know what I'm saying, Like,
(16:53):
I felt so bad. I will never do that to
another person ever, no matter.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What this guy and was like, I saw your project.
I saw the movie, and I'm willing to give it
another shot.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Well, the truth is I sat that person down and
told them that it was coming out okay, and sent
them the record and talked about it and told them
why it was important for me to publicly take accountability
because I had to let it go because it was
so much grief behind it and I and I just
blamed myself for things I shouldn't have blamed myself for
because you know that person too and that same relationship
(17:30):
did things as well, okay, But it wasn't about what
they did. It was about my accountability for breaking their heart,
which until broke mine.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And so back to what if he said, I don't
know about that. Okay, it's not happening. It's too fast,
I'm too heeled, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I'm not mad at that hell for something yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah too, he'll to spend the black and when you
look back at this too though, right, because I know
a lot of people thought the controversy was to also
bring attention, because I'm sure you were like, Okay, we're
gonna let it run because when people see what it is,
then they'll understand why we were in this situation. Like
you know, then might have seen a picture of you
(18:09):
and man DC and they didn't know what it was.
Were you in your head thinking like, Okay, this is
gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
No, okay.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I was pissed about it because I didn't want people
to miss the message which and went over.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Their head and which you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
It's very disappointing because I just feel like we need
it right now, you know, because we're always pointing fingers.
And the truth is, we learned how to do it
from y'all, you know what I'm saying, and getting our
heart you put on, you on, you get going through
those situations from being cheated on and deceived.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
We that's why we are the way we are.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And then we're the bag holders now and so now
we are really going in I do think, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Men do things like that, like they'll cheat.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's been don't really connect it to like emotions or
like y'all just kind of do that. And I also
feel like women are programmed to accept that, yes, like
it's normal, that's what men do, but when women do it,
it feels like could you forgive your girl?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I feel like men and women men are not being
as honest with women as we should about who we are,
what we really deal with, and what we challenge to
deal with. Like we get in these relationships and we
be like, yeah, I want to be with you for
the rest of my life. I want nobody else. But
you know, that's a real struggle. That's a real struggle
for men. And I think that we all we sign
up for so many different things and not be honest
(19:35):
with you about what I go through. You understand, and
therefore the expectation for a man to live up to
that is always like this. So women and men always
going through the same exact thing.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So many need to answer the question, what's the problem?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Would what I forget if shifted? No, it's.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, dioalasists after that, it's crazy, like in a wheelchair,
like it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
What he did a better job than me.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You gotta understand the man as we we ego, we
pride right, So it's sometimes that's our safe space. Like
I'm a person, I probably swallow my blood before I
swallow my pride, right, So I would that's my safe space.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
So if you take that from me, it's like, oh
my god, Like I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I couldn't forgive that. That's that's like the impossible. I
could never go past that. I could never get past
that impossible.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Es what if you teat it first?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Yeah, but the graphicness of you that text, I think
it's like even though we know not, it's just you're
saying you're having a good time, but you bragg into
your friends.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You're in a group chat.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I like to make the group chats, right, I like
to be a positive experience in a group chats.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So when you when you say that, reading that is
really horrifying.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
What's the cheating that's been done to you?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
No, I'm usually the cheaty?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
What's the cheater? Cheaty?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm who they come to see.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
What's your sign?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'm a virgo. I'm sorry this one. I'm sorry. I apologize.
I'm but I'm usually who they come to see.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
What is it about you? And Leo's.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Really well, Leo, females and males are two different things.
I just find that male leos have has the biggest ego.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And it wasn't just.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
About or about a leo, but the sign of a
leo and the ego of a man.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
That's what really. Leos have the biggest egos and the
biggest I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Those guys both both Well, Leo's okay.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Okay, and you're also doing a part two? Yes, all right,
So what's what's gonna be happening? Can you give us
a little sneak peek into what's happening and we have.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
The very beginning stages of writing for it.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
But it's nothing about heartbreak because that'll never happen to
me again.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, so this is the healed, this is Yeah, you
know what I want to ask you to.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I remember you had talked about being celibates for a
period of time. You said you're going to be celibate
till Logan turns eighteen.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I said I wasn't gonna seriously date nobody to turn
I was celebrated.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yes, what did that do for you?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Because people always talk about why they were celibrated and
how it cleared there.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That was not a spiritual journey. It just was a
situation that.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I wasn't dating nobody. That's just what it was.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, But was there any like but did you feel
like you were more productive? Because sometimes not dealing with
somebody does make you be.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Like a little bit more focused.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
I'm kind of always in my bag or in my business.
It just really truly was I wasn't dating anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was just it just it just.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Was like a dry period that the universe gave me. Yeah,
you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And then so let's talk more about things that you
discussed in the Heartbreak retrograde movie. Like you said, we
saw the whole situation where you know, you showed up
at your ex's house to spend the block. So that
was a real thing that happened, and when you popped
up in the middle of the night four am, maybe
it was well sort of okay, Okay, it's based on
(23:30):
a true story, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I just wanted to tell the story as simple and
as detailed as I could, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But not just about everything that happened.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But some things that can happen or yeah, because we're
creeping so everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's my second favorite sife. Yeah, I had to put
them in order as I really. Yeah, I'm glad you
like it, you know, Tamar, aside from like and you
have so many different jobs too, it's been a while
since you've put out a project.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yes as well. What was the.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Delay for I feel like you get so like you
have this going on, you're filming, and I know that
wasn't easy for you.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, this season of the Bracstons was a lot for everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, and you want to know why.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I think it was a lot for everyone, not just
because people are not used to seeing us that way.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I think that a lot of people mirror their families.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I was just talking about Oprah discussing I don't know
if you saw when she was talking about the kind
of like taking a break from your families and setting
those boundaries for the holidays and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I didn't see her, but I understand.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, and that's a real thing, like family estrangement and
holiday time too, is the time when it gets really stressful.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, but not all of us are like in that space, right.
I think that everybody is at some point comfortable going
into their corner and healing in their own way and
coming back around to the family when it's time.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It felt like this was the It was explosive, ever though,
like we've never seen you guys physically like get into it. Yeah,
and so I know for you and for everybody, it
felt like, oh my god, I can't believe this is
It was so heavy.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
It never ever happened on or off camera before. We
just never got that close to being physical. My first
of all, mother growing up would not allow it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
But you know I am.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I mean, I knew Tony Brackson was gangsta, but she
was ready to go down and shit like five too.
I'm five eight.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I've never seen I would never think to see her
get that mad.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I just think that too much was discussed right, yeah,
at the table.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I'm sure that the network was like yes, because
you know that's how they feel when things happen.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, and it gets explosive. How much control do you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Have over although I'm executive producer and it's through my
company Partial, I disengaged after that episode, which was the second.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Film, so then you guys have to keep on. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I didn't, but we went on a What was important
for me was to show some kind of resolve, right,
and so I.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Orchestrated a retreat.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It says, yeah, that three of us went on it
and that made things much better.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, that's good, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
As much as it's awful that this happened, it also
is relatable, man.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Sometimes you have to look at it like we're going
through this, but you know how many families go through.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Literally it took a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Of courage though, in strength to put all your stuff
out there and then for people to know that and
then walk around and knowing that the world knows that.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Well, it's not a lot of shame in my real life, right.
And so of course there's a lot of things that
you know, publicly didn't want to divulge because there's other
people involved, right, and other other people meaning like my
nieces and nephews.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Do you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And so although me and my sisters go through what
we go through as sisters, the kids are still very
very close to us, right, And mine is the youngest,
and mine becomes the most affected because my nieces and
nephews are older and they have experienced some sort of life, right,
(27:30):
And mine is only twelve and doesn't have any siblings,
and so when he looks at it is given very much.
Why are you and my auntie's fighting?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
And that's the part for me is embarrassing because now
I have to explain, and also the embarrassment of my
mother because I can't imagine my mother having to watch
her daughters go through be like that on national TV.
Although I'm gonna say this, although it was.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Very necessary, right, Yeah, you know, you guys did fix
my life a long time ago could.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Do That was terrible. Yeah, that was terrible too. Oh
my god, that was terrible. Too. Too much came out
then too, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But I feel like that's part of what people relate
to you for, Like when too much comes out, it's
also things that other people wouldn't ever really put out
there like that, And you know.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
What something I think it sparked different conversations in people's
families that needed to be talked about, right, And I
don't know, I just don't feel like it was all bad.
I feel like, you know, everything works together for the good.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I also feel like a lot of people put things
on you that you have nothing to do with, Like
when they kept saying that you and burnt Man and
why was she?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You know, how did I become a whole?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
In a relationship?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know what I means? Ever heard me sporadic date anybody?
Because that's just not who I am?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right, And like the whole Brian thing for me, it
was very weird because I've never dated him.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I don't know who started that, Okay, I introduced Yeah,
you introduced Tony and Brian like, and he was very
serious about her from day one.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
People were so shocked, I want to say. When they
found that out, it was like, it's mad random.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Even to this day, it's still like it's not random.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't feel like that. It's not random. I like
love like that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
It's like, you got this image of this woman and
it's a classy. Then you've got the street guy that's
or proceed to be the street guy. But they meet
and they got a lot in comic.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Get that from Tony Presson is a Libra? Like what
are you talking about? Like Cardi b is a Libra?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So they okay, get it, but her image image, but
the image is not the real person.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Got it. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So they're not far apart from the spectral mia talk
to each other. Baby.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Just see how gangs to Tony Brexley when she got up.
Do you think she like you think that just came
last week?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I don't see when she's sitting there about to lose
her temper too, and she be like.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
She said no with Tony brexit on my heavyweight.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know how does a regular guy approach you?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
How does that happen? Because you said you like regular guys, right,
and something.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
That I did, you're not showing them wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
You need this ship like like a like a construction
work or something, right, come in after hard days work.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Not not that there's anything wrong with that, right, but
I am tired of explaining my life.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I don't want to explain why.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And then this nigga turns into a whole.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I don't want I'm not explaining why I got ahead
at bag right, right, you know that much, I'm not
explaining that.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I feel like you need like a VC fun person
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
VC. What's that like?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Venture capitalists?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You know somebody that makes a lot of money heads
and you know kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I see you because look I see that too. Yeah,
I see that's for you see that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, somebody that is like, Okay, let me show you something.
You understand me something, Thank you, because if everybody is
trying to turn into you, you need somebody that's gonna
make you aspire to the world of different.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
World of the lost. She's a preacher.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I need to learn.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
She can't just be Oh my god, yes, so we
got a manifest They got a manifest unless.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
You have somebody now now I'm actually not dating at
all at all. Okay, I don't have a rostapasta. I
need one roster. Oh my god, you know, a little
rosta don't hurt nobody.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You mentioned Cardi b being a Libra, and that's somebody
you said she needs to teach a Harvard course. I
think all libra females. Yes, I love that. My mom's
a Libra. Okay, my best friend's a Libra, my brother's
a Libra. But yeah, so I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
For you for I'm really really smart though, well they're
really emotional, but calculated emotional.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I'm trying to think, you know what that's to my
best friend, I would say she's super creative. And will
decide like she randomly wants to do something and go
out and do it and make it happen. And she
has a lot of knowledge about weird things. I'm like,
why do you even know that random? Yeah, yeah, that's
Tony Broxton too. Now Bridezilla's yes, you're also the voice now, Bridezilla.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I am.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What kind of bride were you when you had the time?
That's the first time, because I was, you know, the
first go around.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
The first go around, I was, I wasn't a Brazil
was very very chill.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well, my parents.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Were divorced and so they kind of took sent a
stage of the weddings, okay, because we were trying to
keep them happy.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And then and then with Vince, that was another level.
Then you guys were friends for so long, and.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I was talking about Vince. I was talking about something
that we talk about, Okay, my bad.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well you said how many and so that was that
you have my bad and then you actually did marry
again after that?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
How long did that last? I'm really grateful for the
time that I spend with you. Are so good.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, I'm really really really grateful about no, really about
the experiences that I've had in my relationships.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I really really am okay. That's good. You know.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I feel like whatever doesn't break us just builds us
up even more.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So much, ye, so much. And I'm really I'm grateful.
I really am grateful because I'm not enemies with any
of them. That's good. You still speak to everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, I know i'd be married on my third you know,
marriage by now, but really I haven't done it at all.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I think not seeing too many successful marriages has made
me not really want to think about that, Like, would
I do it?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yes? But am I like? I can't wait. I'm okay
with like forever just being with somebody. Yeah, I think
I am too. Mh. I'm ready for my partner though. Yeah,
I'm definitely ready.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
It doesn't have to be an actual marriage, but a
union of souls.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, because that's really what matters, right. I want somebody
to be in my life voluntarily.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, that's what you want.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Somebody that voluntarily once they hit you, I mean, not
hit you like that, but wants to text you, call
you every day, come home every night, messes you special
little thing.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And when you're ready to go. I need you to go.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
What what that means?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
That means when you're ready to go, you can leave now. Okay,
you don't have to wait for a piece of paper.
We don't have to go about permanently.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm talking about permanently.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
If you don't want to go, then I'm going because
I'm not going to waste his time or mind, you
know what I mean. But I believe that the next
person that I get with, I'm gonna be with forever.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, Yeah, that's good, and you gotta sometimes stick it through.
That's the other thing about relationship.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I believe in that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, because you know some I can't stay when people
break up all the time and get back together like
every other day. But that's relationships, though. But I don't
think you need to break up. I think you if
you know you're in an argument, this is how I am. Yeah,
I know we're in an argument right now and we're
gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah. Yeah, that's how I look at it. That's great security.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, you know what's your sign? I'm a Capricorn. Oh,
I love a Capricorn. My mom's a Capricorn.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, I love very chill you guys, are relationships. No, sister,
you said we're not easy in relationships. No, I think
I'm pretty I'm pretty easy.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Why you say that, Well, Capricorn females love themselves first, wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You gotta put my oxygen mask on first before I
say you're the dig and so you know, when you're
deeply invested in a relationship.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
It can't always be like that, but it's always like
that with female Capricorns, which is not a character farts false.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Just who you guys are and what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm a Pisces, Okay, I don't know a lot about
a female pisces, which is different than the male. We
don't date male pisces. They're not for dating. Okay, I
don't think so.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, so what are your characteristics? I don't know. You
don't play about yourself yours. I'm really really honest.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I love love and I could go deep, and that's
why I have to be very careful. That's why I
said I'm not giving one hundred percent of myself right.
And we are loyal to a fault?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, yeah, Capricains are loyal to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yes, you guys are. Yes, you guys are. And I'm
very very very very intuitive. You guys are too, are
you know?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I was thinking about also in the Heartbreak Retrograde movie
how Vince was saying, how because it feels like he
thinks you quickly all in love?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah? Yeah, that's that's a price.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
We in love?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Three days? Many you think you've been in love? Of course?
How many times? Of course?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Once?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Just wow?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Okay? Which one you said? Once or three times?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah? Once so three?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, once so three. I'm in love every time. But
you know what that means. Falling out of love is tough. Yeah,
when you fall And is it really love if you
could fall in love?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And I agree with what he said too, Is it
really love if you can fall in love that fast?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Or is it just that honeymoon phase lust? For me,
it was one hundred percent real, really a hundred percent.
So do you believe in love at first sight? I
believe in our strong connection at first sight?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Yeah, that can happen, yeah sometimes, But love love?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Love is love really unconditional?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's love unconditional. I'm gonna say yes, and let me
tell you why.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Because if I truly love you, I have to accept
everything about you, and that's unconditional and so let me
just tell you this. So let's just say you and
I are together, right, and I know that you like
women and you like variety of women. If I really
(38:30):
truly love you, I have to accept that about you.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I feel like you just described into it.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Just how to accept it until you're ready to change,
until you're ready enough, Okay, But if I really love you,
I have to accept that about this person.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You as Ben's when do men stop hon around?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And because you know, some people think once a man
is this way, always this way, but you do feel
like when the right way and he said this, when
the right woman comes alone.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He's gonna make an effort to change.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
He's going I think I think he'll make the effort.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Who's he I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Man? Is he right?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
If the right woman comes along? I think he'll make
that effort absolutely. You know, whether he struggles and he
hits his head a few times, but he's going to
make a better effort than he was doing in the past.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
What if a man told you we could be together?
But I do want to have an open relationship.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's not for me, okay, but I respect it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
It's really nice. Respect.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
I think is important though, And I think this is
where we go wrong at I'm not honest.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
When we don't accept everything about that person.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Right, But whether you accept it or not, at least
I gave you that. I gave you your freedom by being.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Honest with you.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Now, if I come to you selling you some ship
that I'm not that, I'm taking your taste like I'm
taking a freedom.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
So let me just go back here.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
So the person the heartbea retrogade person, right, I was
honest with them.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
About how I felt about my the other person.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You get what I'm saying, and we still entered in
the relationship with.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
You already knowing.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I'm not saying that I get a pass. I'm not
saying I get a pass.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
You listen, this is my person. I'm not leaving them.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
He was still in my life. He was still in
my life, but we were platonic in my life.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Does that make sense? It makes sense, But not if
you still feel a way about them. I was honest
about it, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Saying I can understand, like you know, okay, but why
not go back there then?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Like that's not for me either, Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, I learned during this situation that I just really
had to heal and wrap things up.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Sometimes you gotta close the tactic.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
That's what my mother through it though first.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Sometimes right you had to experience it a little bit
first and then close.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
It because you never find the right thing when you
have too much like going on. I feel like sometimes
you got to just clean the slate off, clear everything out,
and then be like, okay, now I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
And you know, men, when they see you move on,
they get upset about that. And when they see you
happy or looking like you're happy with somebody and want
to be with somebody, they want to spend the block
because they want to see it. They still got it.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I've seen you do that.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Now I see you look at it and be like, oh,
she would let me call her. That's horrible.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I see, I say, he'd like, she would hold on,
let me get her out.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's a horrible thing to like.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Sometimes when women get in relationships with other guys, they
block him.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You better, you better, if you want you, if you
want to give you a real the new relationship will
change you better.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Your business acumen has been amazing, and so you're also
going to be producing a movie that you're stirring in
with Tay Diggs.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Well, I'm not producing it. No, not that you're producing.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
No, this is Chris Stokes, Okay, yes, And I'm just
so grateful because it all came at the right time,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I did produce my movie. Yeah, you did your
movie and wrote it and yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
So I don't know, I'm feeling I'm feeling like I'm
a filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, I'm feeling that way, always always evolving. How is
it working with diggsse we're getting ready to wrap in
another week.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
But it's amazing. I've learned so much from him. He's
such a professional and I just feel like he made
me step up to the plate. I felt like I
was army a good actress, but I feel like he's
He's made me take it very, very seriously.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Man.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And so you already have a part two to this plan.
So it was it's going to be another movie too,
because it feels like now you have the bug, yes
to be able to do these you know. I feel
like we do need these visuals and to see a
full on movie, like, yeah, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
But yeah, I don't think that people would have I
think the music is great on heartbreak retro grade by itself,
but I don't think that people would have truly understood
the message and why I call it heartbreak retrograde, you
know what I mean, and why the songs are the
way that they are it had it not been for
the visual and the artwork is beautiful too.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Thank you, Thank you. I feel like that's a painting.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Well, you know, it was just about me being vulnerable.
That's why I'm basically like a Barbie neeckad and also
you know the whole you know, understanding that the universe
gives us what we need when we need, and so
that's what that picture was about.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
All right, Well, we are really hoping for healing for everything.
I know, thank youseal for relationships.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
But I know you have a lot of things happening
just personally right now.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
So here's to hoping that all of that. I mean,
it's families, so ups and downs.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
You guys you know go through it sometimes publicly unfortunately,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It helps other people too.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
But I just feel, you know, this is twenty twenty
six is coming.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
It will be a great year. Yeah for you two, sister,
Thank you. I'm out here working hard and you too.
I hope that you find your your wife when the
wait for the wedding.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We didn't set the new date yet it's a week now.
We're so well what.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
I'm saying, I didn't. I didn't put the date out
there yet. I'm just still trying.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
So you have somebody in mind yet you see how.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
May yet see how they be doing? When I speaking,
I'm speaking.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Plural speaking speaking play When I say we, I'm speaking
you haven't made the decisions.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I haven't made the date yet.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
See last year, the date was set for July twenty six,
and what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
He's trying to he put together.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
The venue, the venue I had, the ring, the tuxedo, yeah, everything.
I was even I was even getting, uh what uh?
What are the girls that they have?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Usually women, the flower girls that you don't choose the man.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You don't choose that.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You don't have a lot of friends.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So she don't have any so it's just you and
her standing up there. You don't choose the brides maids.
Why would you choose.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
There was a package deal. I was like, all you
have to do is.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
It feels like this is just a TV show and
it's not serious.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Are you being serious? Okay, but I was gonna say
this is disgusting. I would run from you. I'm like, hell.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
All right, Well, we'll be watching what you're doing privately.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Also, because I know Tamar gets spotted outside, it's gonna
be on the blog.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
So what is that? Because you're Tamar Braxton, what do
you want us to do? See?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So yes, I'll make sure though before I report it,
I'm a DMU and be like is this and I
will let you know. Okay, thank you appreciate it, all right,
Tamar Braxton. If you haven't seen Heartbreak Retrograde the movie,
make sure you watch it.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
It it's entirety. It's about forty five.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Minutes long, and then you can really go back and
listen to the music and kind.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Of put it all together. Yes, on my YouTube. It's
on her YouTube. Get that money girl, Yeah right,
What's up is way up at Angela.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yee Mano's here, always a treat and hey, my Braxton
is in the building.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm shuld I move my bags so the people can
see the face and the you know, she can't go
on the floor, definitely is not going on the floor.
Let's put it right there on the table.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thank you, all right, and congratulations on Heartbreak Retrograde not
just an EP but also a movie.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yes, yes, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, I had to, and let me tell you why.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I had to because the EP really told a story
and I wanted people to understand the story that I
was telling.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And I had.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
To show a visual of you know, things that happened
during the Heartbreak Retrograde.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's a real thing, yes, a real thing.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, you also did the full EP with Tricky Stewart.
I did, so that's that's a dope thing too, because
it feels very cohesive.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Actually, Tricky and I came up with the whole concept
at a restaurant, were sitting at the bar and I
was just telling him. I don't even know why, I
randomly told him the story and so we did this
EP and now we're doing part two.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So this is a real story.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
So every song is something something that you actually went through.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely, so you were and sing Can you be in
love with two people at once?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Absolutely, you think so. I think you can be confused.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By one, but it's still love, right.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think you're confused by one. There's always somebody you
like better though, That's what I was trying to say. Yeah,
you confused by one.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You might like the attention from one, you know what
I mean. Then you might really have a vibe with
the other, you know what I mean. But it's always
something that's missing, and nothing is. In my experience, nothing
of the two was complete.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I can understand you can I build the perfect person,
but there is no sense you might need.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
A couple people to build that perfect thing, right? Is
that what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, it was just a situation and I didn't mean to,
and you broke somebody's heart, did And sometimes when that happens,
you realize that you messed and that was the person
you should have with.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I knew when I ended the situation, the affair situation,
but I was up front about how I felt about
the person who I spun the block with, and I
just had unresolved feelings, you know, and I had to
see it through. I mean, I'm sorry that somebody got
hurt in the interim with that, but I.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Really had to figure that out and heal from that situation.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Was it something that you wasn't getting in that relationship
that made you feel like you had.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Nothing to do with had everything to do with me? Yeah,
look at that accountability.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You too will take accountability for the stop.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
But you also got some awest.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
First of all, you have Vince on here now.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I find that's so funny with you and your ex husband,
you actually can talk to him.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
That's how we are in real life. That is, did
he talk to you about women?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, he has an amazing girlfriend. I think he did
it this time. Okay, that he really like slam dunkd
it this time. She's a really, really nice, beautiful lady.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's dope. I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Could you ever have seen yourself in this space back then?
Because I also think people have to look into the
future when you first.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Break up with somebody. It's dramatic, it's awful.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You can't even picture yourself ever being in a space
where you're like, I like his new girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, we know, Vinsent, our situation was a little bit
different because, you know, we basically grew up together almost right,
and so like he became a family member more than
a husband.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Was real friendship.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Does that make sense? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
They you know, I was reading this stat They said,
after five years of being married, the person feels more
like your friend or roommate.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I think it should feel like that though, it should
feel like a super dope close friendship.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, it should. Okay, what's the longest relationship you've been in,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Four years? Yeah, that's a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
How are you a couple?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
A couple of years old?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh my gosh, are you married now?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, he's trying to get married you're engaged? No, he's not.
I'm lost. What happened?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
He once again made okay without the broad but it's
going to get set.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's manifestation or.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Sometimes you got to manifest things. You got to put
it out there.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
What are some red flags if you have to say,
from learning from things that have happened to you in
the past, if you have to give you a three
top red flags, what would they be?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Someone who's not accountable, someone who don't know how to communicate. Okay,
let me say I think those are my two biggest
not knowing how to communicate and not being accountable.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You know, Vince was saying something that was interesting. He
was saying that when people are around you, they want.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
To be you. What this is crazy, but he's been
saying that for years.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, do you think there's any tooth to what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't know. I think that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
When you're dating somebody like us, it is it's easy
to get used to that when they're not that because
I like regular guys, right, and so when the regular
guy come into the situation, it's given lights, camera action different. Okay,
(05:30):
you get what I'm saying, and they want to and
I'm tell you something, you know, like fame is very
contagious and so probably yeah, he might be right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's so interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They start to kind of like.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They want that, they want that, they want that for.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Uhi, I've seen it have like if they want to
be a celebrity. So you might think you met the
right person and everything's good, and you probably like the
fact that they're not in the limelight and that I
can be regular. Yeah, but then they turn into wanting
to be the fame monster, righto.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Sheesh?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Now, learning from your past, miss, I wouldn't say mistakes,
but learning from past situations, how do you move forward now? Like,
what are some things that you're like, Okay, this is
what Tay needs to do in order for her to,
you know, find happiness, because I know you want to.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You You've spoken to I really want it, and I
feel like I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And I'm ready now because I fully healed from everything,
all of my past relationships. And I had to do
a lot of work to do that, right and I
didn't even know that I needed that, but I needed
this time off to really heal from all of those things.
Because now I am not bringing baggage into a new situation.
(06:46):
Now I can take that situation. It's face value.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
How do you heal? Girl? Therapy? Real therapy, real therapy,
you know, and medication.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You know, I need little help sometimes, right Yeah, and
so and that's just my journey, you know, And and
that's it's worked for me.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I respect that, Yeah, I respect that. I respect that
you you open about that because a lot of people
not as honest.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, but a lot of people are addicted to their
nervous system. Being out of whack, you know what I mean.
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, I always look at you like you have
so many different things going on that you have to
juggle and balance. And in the public we get to
see a lot of Tamar's life, but I can't even
imagine what it must feel like for people to see
like your family life play out, your relationship, you know,
life play out. I know you're in the middle of
a lawsuit right now, so we can't discuss that situation.
(07:39):
But social media everybody wanting to weigh in on things
and sometimes not feeling your best, but you still got
to push through and keep going.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, you know, which is why my next situation will
be completely private.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay ooh yeah, that's yeah, because that's been a minute
for Yeah, you know, so no coming on the TV
show that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But that's hard. How you're gonna go out in public?
I mean, it won't be a secret, it will just
be private.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, you just won't be letting you into your life, like,
not at all. You know what I wanted to ask
you about.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
This liquid BBL. Yeah, the first time I ever heard
about that, But I was fine for like three weeks
on the.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Practice I got it, So what happens. So it's like
the same injection that you would put your lips your feelings.
So it goes away very quickly. But I was real
good and fine for three weeks. But I won't get
it again because I do not like needles. Yeah, I
can't blame you for that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You ever thought about getting a real BB no?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Why? Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I didn't know that getting an augmentation would change so
much about myself. Yeah, and so yes, I should have
did a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Really yes, and I never wanted to. But what made
you say? I just wanted to, you know, feel good,
you know what I mean, and just.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You know, kind of like enhance things for the better
when you get older, or when you go through a
bad breakup or just when you just want to feel
good about yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, I'm just wondering because I know, you know, I mean,
tell everybody you know, the tay Martians love you.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You've always been.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So I just wondered if there was like a moment
but I get it, a bad breakup and you're like,
let me do me.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, let me just be my best, the best version
of myself I could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now, I want to ask you about one of my
favorite songs on the album. When you know you know
you like that song at the end, it kind of
feels a little Prince vibe it is, okay it yes,
it's my favorite artist. Okay, I felt that in that song. Yeah,
And I love how you sing on that song.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Thank you, thank you so chick can I you know
he's he's such an amazing, amazing producer. He just knew
what it needed.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And he bought it.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And I'm just so grateful for him because we've been
known each other since I was about sixteen years old, right,
and so like we're working with him as an adult
and being vulnerable. There was times I was like straight
up crying in the booth, you know, because I'm letting
it out and letting it go, and it was just
it was just beautiful to see like as kids we
were one way now as adults who've really been through
(10:15):
some things, we can still be that same vulnerable, you know,
great friendship that we have.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So that crime was like releasing and the therapy.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Of it, yeah, because I had a lot of grief
behind it and a lot of guilt too, and so
like a lot of people don't speak about when you
are accountable for things. You are going through something as well,
you know what I mean, And I just had to
allow myself to.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Go through it. What are some things you learned about
yourself and therapy every day? Sharing with.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
What hmmm, like any aha moments that you were like,
that's why I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Trying to think you put me on the spiny.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's so and that's the point of it all many
because since I don't know why we act the way
we act, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
We don't No, you don't, you for sure? That's funny
in relationships.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
The biggest thing that I've learned is I used to
give all of me and I can't do that anymore, okay,
because then I lose myself.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Wow. Because we're told to give, you cannot.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
So what's what's a good.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You're given?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You're give enough to be in it and stay in
it and and and stay focused in firm and and
and really stick to your boundaries because those things are
really important that will make a relationship down to.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
You'll ever find a space or ever be in a
space where you give one hundred.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Again, I don't know what that means.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I give one hundred percent when I fully truly love
somebody absolutely, but I'm not giving one hundred percent of me.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I need a percentage of me to maintain. Okay, I
get that, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, that's like ten percent of like just for me,
my alone time, my time with my friend's time to be.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, you have to be. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I always feel like in relationships you have to be
a whole individual. You know how people will act like
you know, that's my better half or that's but really
we each got to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Gotta be and the people not coming to the table,
not even fifty percent. Now you know, the people are
giving very much fifteen percent and it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Like I I had to get myself out of a
pattern of dating or being with an unhealed person because
I was.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, and you know, it's hard because everyone knows who
you are. Yeah, and so sometimes you don't know what
somebody's there for too.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like you said, they.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Wouldn't be well not you said, Vince said, yeah, like
Vin said, Now we another than you did in this movie.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And y'all got to watch my guy, Julia. I love him.
I love him too. He's so attracted it. It shouldn't
have been which shouldn't have been. It shouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Wrote it, though I did. You wrote that dialogue. It
was some very graphic.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Which part because let's get into it. I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I was like, you got to stop playing with me.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
You sucking that nigga didn't kiss and kiss on me
after you suck that nigga did?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like that party?
Speaker 5 (13:28):
He still like that was crazy that that was you
really wrote that?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No, he wrote that party.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
He wrote that.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, let me tell you it was a very important
part of the movie because this is okay, So this
is another thing that I learned.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, so we.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Hear all about women all the time. When the woman
sat up, we gone out of here. No one ever
speaks about a man. And when a man is done,
what is that like?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I get done, I get done.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Done, And it was him being done being done. Yeah,
you get it.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I get it. Yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't ready for it.
It was just like he wasn't ready.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Because we you know what it is when you see
people acting and we know me in DC, so I'm like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It's a great actor. Yeah. I was like what is he?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, I mean, I mean both of them are amazing.
And when he heard love Me, he was just like,
I don't know, the character just like really jumped inside
of him.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I was just like, wow, he
did that. Yeah, he had some things. He was like, yeah,
he was ate that up.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You know, it's interesting, You're right though, because a lot
of times men are the ones that are also.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I feel like men don't want to know when women cheat. Well, yes,
they just because I feel like we're always looking for
stuff men. So let me just give it to you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So the part of the film where Medc's takes my phone,
that really happened.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Somebody really took your phone and went through it and
read once again, you shifted my uterus.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Also you that, oh I like her honesty.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You the greatest, greatest shift the woman ever told you that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Absolutely, I mean you're the shift, like absolutely, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But listen, here's my question. Sound listening.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Is this though, for a man to read that about
the woman that he's in a relationship with and that
she's speaking on another.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Man, you can't come back from that.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
He might not ever come back from that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's what I'm saying he might be so that all
be thinking, I ain't shifting nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I ain't shifted. I'm not a shifter. I'm not
a shifter.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
When really, and when really, I was just popping ship.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Right, I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You were just talking and I was in my masculine
energy and I was.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Just basically like, yo, I had a good time. Right,
that's good basically, But reading that though a man, it's hard,
and I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Felt that's why I had so much grief around the situation.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Did you tell him that like you shifted me? Did
you ever like hit him with.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Something like that, because that's the worst when you said
the same thing to both of them and now he
got to read you writing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I don't know, but when I was in that energy,
it gave very much. I could have said anything to
both of them.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, I love you. I love your honesty, man.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Because you know, a lot of times we see men
doing stuff like this. It's not as often that and
women do it, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Like talked about.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah, And that's why it was so important to me
and why I was so disappointed that so much scandal
was around it, because it was such an important message, Right,
not just me taking accountability, but for other women to
take accountability and live in their truth about it right
and heal from the situation and also give that person
what they need to move on. You know what I'm saying, Like,
(16:53):
I felt so bad. I will never do that to
another person ever, no matter.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What this guy and was like, I saw your project.
I saw the movie, and I'm willing to give it
another shot.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Well, the truth is I sat that person down and
told them that it was coming out okay, and sent
them the record and talked about it and told them
why it was important for me to publicly take accountability
because I had to let it go because it was
so much grief behind it and I and I just
blamed myself for things I shouldn't have blamed myself for
because you know that person too and that same relationship
(17:30):
did things as well, okay, But it wasn't about what
they did. It was about my accountability for breaking their heart,
which until broke mine.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And so back to what if he said, I don't
know about that. Okay, it's not happening. It's too fast,
I'm too heeled, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I'm not mad at that hell for something yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah too, he'll to spend the black and when you
look back at this too though, right, because I know
a lot of people thought the controversy was to also
bring attention, because I'm sure you were like, Okay, we're
gonna let it run because when people see what it is,
then they'll understand why we were in this situation. Like
you know, then might have seen a picture of you
(18:09):
and man DC and they didn't know what it was.
Were you in your head thinking like, Okay, this is
gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
No, okay.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I was pissed about it because I didn't want people
to miss the message which and went over.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Their head and which you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
It's very disappointing because I just feel like we need
it right now, you know, because we're always pointing fingers.
And the truth is, we learned how to do it
from y'all, you know what I'm saying, and getting our
heart you put on, you on, you get going through
those situations from being cheated on and deceived.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
We that's why we are the way we are.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And then we're the bag holders now and so now
we are really going in I do think, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Men do things like that, like they'll cheat.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's been don't really connect it to like emotions or
like y'all just kind of do that. And I also
feel like women are programmed to accept that, yes, like
it's normal, that's what men do, but when women do it,
it feels like could you forgive your girl?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I feel like men and women men are not being
as honest with women as we should about who we are,
what we really deal with, and what we challenge to
deal with. Like we get in these relationships and we
be like, yeah, I want to be with you for
the rest of my life. I want nobody else. But
you know, that's a real struggle. That's a real struggle
for men. And I think that we all we sign
up for so many different things and not be honest
(19:35):
with you about what I go through. You understand, and
therefore the expectation for a man to live up to
that is always like this. So women and men always
going through the same exact thing.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So many need to answer the question, what's the problem?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Would what I forget if shifted? No, it's.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, dioalasists after that, it's crazy, like in a wheelchair,
like it's over.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
What he did a better job than me.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You gotta understand the man as we we ego, we
pride right, So it's sometimes that's our safe space. Like
I'm a person, I probably swallow my blood before I
swallow my pride, right, So I would that's my safe space.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
So if you take that from me, it's like, oh
my god, Like I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I couldn't forgive that. That's that's like the impossible. I
could never go past that. I could never get past
that impossible.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Es what if you teat it first?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Yeah, but the graphicness of you that text, I think
it's like even though we know not, it's just you're
saying you're having a good time, but you bragg into
your friends.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You're in a group chat.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I like to make the group chats, right, I like
to be a positive experience in a group chats.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So when you when you say that, reading that is
really horrifying.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
What's the cheating that's been done to you?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
No, I'm usually the cheaty?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
What's the cheater? Cheaty?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm who they come to see.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
What's your sign?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'm a virgo. I'm sorry this one. I'm sorry. I apologize.
I'm but I'm usually who they come to see.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
What is it about you? And Leo's.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Really well, Leo, females and males are two different things.
I just find that male leos have has the biggest ego.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And it wasn't just.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
About or about a leo, but the sign of a
leo and the ego of a man.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
That's what really. Leos have the biggest egos and the
biggest I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Those guys both both Well, Leo's okay.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Okay, and you're also doing a part two? Yes, all right,
So what's what's gonna be happening? Can you give us
a little sneak peek into what's happening and we have.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
The very beginning stages of writing for it.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
But it's nothing about heartbreak because that'll never happen to
me again.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, so this is the healed, this is Yeah, you
know what I want to ask you to.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I remember you had talked about being celibates for a
period of time. You said you're going to be celibate
till Logan turns eighteen.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I said I wasn't gonna seriously date nobody to turn
I was celebrated.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yes, what did that do for you?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Because people always talk about why they were celibrated and
how it cleared there.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That was not a spiritual journey. It just was a
situation that.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I wasn't dating nobody. That's just what it was.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, But was there any like but did you feel
like you were more productive? Because sometimes not dealing with
somebody does make you be.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Like a little bit more focused.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
I'm kind of always in my bag or in my business.
It just really truly was I wasn't dating anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was just it just it just.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Was like a dry period that the universe gave me. Yeah,
you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And then so let's talk more about things that you
discussed in the Heartbreak retrograde movie. Like you said, we
saw the whole situation where you know, you showed up
at your ex's house to spend the block. So that
was a real thing that happened, and when you popped
up in the middle of the night four am, maybe
it was well sort of okay, Okay, it's based on
(23:30):
a true story, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I just wanted to tell the story as simple and
as detailed as I could, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But not just about everything that happened.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But some things that can happen or yeah, because we're
creeping so everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's my second favorite sife. Yeah, I had to put
them in order as I really. Yeah, I'm glad you
like it, you know, Tamar, aside from like and you
have so many different jobs too, it's been a while
since you've put out a project.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yes as well. What was the.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Delay for I feel like you get so like you
have this going on, you're filming, and I know that
wasn't easy for you.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, this season of the Bracstons was a lot for everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, and you want to know why.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I think it was a lot for everyone, not just
because people are not used to seeing us that way.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I think that a lot of people mirror their families.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I was just talking about Oprah discussing I don't know
if you saw when she was talking about the kind
of like taking a break from your families and setting
those boundaries for the holidays and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I didn't see her, but I understand.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, and that's a real thing, like family estrangement and
holiday time too, is the time when it gets really stressful.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, but not all of us are like in that space, right.
I think that everybody is at some point comfortable going
into their corner and healing in their own way and
coming back around to the family when it's time.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It felt like this was the It was explosive, ever though,
like we've never seen you guys physically like get into it. Yeah,
and so I know for you and for everybody, it
felt like, oh my god, I can't believe this is
It was so heavy.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
It never ever happened on or off camera before. We
just never got that close to being physical. My first
of all, mother growing up would not allow it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
But you know I am.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I mean, I knew Tony Brackson was gangsta, but she
was ready to go down and shit like five too.
I'm five eight.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I've never seen I would never think to see her
get that mad.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I just think that too much was discussed right, yeah,
at the table.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I'm sure that the network was like yes, because
you know that's how they feel when things happen.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, and it gets explosive. How much control do you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Have over although I'm executive producer and it's through my
company Partial, I disengaged after that episode, which was the second.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Film, so then you guys have to keep on. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I didn't, but we went on a What was important
for me was to show some kind of resolve, right,
and so I.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Orchestrated a retreat.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It says, yeah, that three of us went on it
and that made things much better.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, that's good, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
As much as it's awful that this happened, it also
is relatable, man.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Sometimes you have to look at it like we're going
through this, but you know how many families go through.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Literally it took a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Of courage though, in strength to put all your stuff
out there and then for people to know that and
then walk around and knowing that the world knows that.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Well, it's not a lot of shame in my real life, right.
And so of course there's a lot of things that
you know, publicly didn't want to divulge because there's other
people involved, right, and other other people meaning like my
nieces and nephews.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Do you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And so although me and my sisters go through what
we go through as sisters, the kids are still very
very close to us, right, And mine is the youngest,
and mine becomes the most affected because my nieces and
nephews are older and they have experienced some sort of life, right,
(27:30):
And mine is only twelve and doesn't have any siblings,
and so when he looks at it is given very much.
Why are you and my auntie's fighting?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
And that's the part for me is embarrassing because now
I have to explain, and also the embarrassment of my
mother because I can't imagine my mother having to watch
her daughters go through be like that on national TV.
Although I'm gonna say this, although it was.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Very necessary, right, Yeah, you know, you guys did fix
my life a long time ago could.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Do That was terrible. Yeah, that was terrible too. Oh
my god, that was terrible. Too. Too much came out
then too, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But I feel like that's part of what people relate
to you for, Like when too much comes out, it's
also things that other people wouldn't ever really put out
there like that, And you know.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
What something I think it sparked different conversations in people's
families that needed to be talked about, right, And I
don't know, I just don't feel like it was all bad.
I feel like, you know, everything works together for the good.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I also feel like a lot of people put things
on you that you have nothing to do with, Like
when they kept saying that you and burnt Man and
why was she?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You know, how did I become a whole?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
In a relationship?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know what I means? Ever heard me sporadic date anybody?
Because that's just not who I am?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right, And like the whole Brian thing for me, it
was very weird because I've never dated him.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I don't know who started that, Okay, I introduced Yeah,
you introduced Tony and Brian like, and he was very
serious about her from day one.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
People were so shocked, I want to say. When they
found that out, it was like, it's mad random.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Even to this day, it's still like it's not random.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't feel like that. It's not random. I like
love like that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
It's like, you got this image of this woman and
it's a classy. Then you've got the street guy that's
or proceed to be the street guy. But they meet
and they got a lot in comic.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Get that from Tony Presson is a Libra? Like what
are you talking about? Like Cardi b is a Libra?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So they okay, get it, but her image image, but
the image is not the real person.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Got it. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So they're not far apart from the spectral mia talk
to each other. Baby.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Just see how gangs to Tony Brexley when she got up.
Do you think she like you think that just came
last week?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I don't see when she's sitting there about to lose
her temper too, and she be like.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
She said no with Tony brexit on my heavyweight.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know how does a regular guy approach you?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
How does that happen? Because you said you like regular guys, right,
and something.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
That I did, you're not showing them wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
You need this ship like like a like a construction
work or something, right, come in after hard days work.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Not not that there's anything wrong with that, right, but
I am tired of explaining my life.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I don't want to explain why.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And then this nigga turns into a whole.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I don't want I'm not explaining why I got ahead
at bag right, right, you know that much, I'm not
explaining that.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I feel like you need like a VC fun person
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
VC. What's that like?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Venture capitalists?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You know somebody that makes a lot of money heads
and you know kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I see you because look I see that too. Yeah,
I see that's for you see that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, somebody that is like, Okay, let me show you something.
You understand me something, Thank you, because if everybody is
trying to turn into you, you need somebody that's gonna
make you aspire to the world of different.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
World of the lost. She's a preacher.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I need to learn.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
She can't just be Oh my god, yes, so we
got a manifest They got a manifest unless.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
You have somebody now now I'm actually not dating at
all at all. Okay, I don't have a rostapasta. I
need one roster. Oh my god, you know, a little
rosta don't hurt nobody.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You mentioned Cardi b being a Libra, and that's somebody
you said she needs to teach a Harvard course. I
think all libra females. Yes, I love that. My mom's
a Libra. Okay, my best friend's a Libra, my brother's
a Libra. But yeah, so I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
For you for I'm really really smart though, well they're
really emotional, but calculated emotional.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I'm trying to think, you know what that's to my
best friend, I would say she's super creative. And will
decide like she randomly wants to do something and go
out and do it and make it happen. And she
has a lot of knowledge about weird things. I'm like,
why do you even know that random? Yeah, yeah, that's
Tony Broxton too. Now Bridezilla's yes, you're also the voice now, Bridezilla.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I am.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What kind of bride were you when you had the time?
That's the first time, because I was, you know, the
first go around.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
The first go around, I was, I wasn't a Brazil
was very very chill.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well, my parents.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Were divorced and so they kind of took sent a
stage of the weddings, okay, because we were trying to
keep them happy.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And then and then with Vince, that was another level.
Then you guys were friends for so long, and.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I was talking about Vince. I was talking about something
that we talk about, Okay, my bad.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well you said how many and so that was that
you have my bad and then you actually did marry
again after that?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
How long did that last? I'm really grateful for the
time that I spend with you. Are so good.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yeah, I'm really really really grateful about no, really about
the experiences that I've had in my relationships.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I really really am okay. That's good. You know.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I feel like whatever doesn't break us just builds us
up even more.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So much, ye, so much. And I'm really I'm grateful.
I really am grateful because I'm not enemies with any
of them. That's good. You still speak to everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, I know i'd be married on my third you know,
marriage by now, but really I haven't done it at all.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I think not seeing too many successful marriages has made
me not really want to think about that, Like, would
I do it?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yes? But am I like? I can't wait. I'm okay
with like forever just being with somebody. Yeah, I think
I am too. Mh. I'm ready for my partner though. Yeah,
I'm definitely ready.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
It doesn't have to be an actual marriage, but a
union of souls.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, because that's really what matters, right. I want somebody
to be in my life voluntarily.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, that's what you want.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Somebody that voluntarily once they hit you, I mean, not
hit you like that, but wants to text you, call
you every day, come home every night, messes you special
little thing.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And when you're ready to go. I need you to go.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
What what that means?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
That means when you're ready to go, you can leave now. Okay,
you don't have to wait for a piece of paper.
We don't have to go about permanently.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm talking about permanently.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
If you don't want to go, then I'm going because
I'm not going to waste his time or mind, you
know what I mean. But I believe that the next
person that I get with, I'm gonna be with forever.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, Yeah, that's good, and you gotta sometimes stick it through.
That's the other thing about relationship.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I believe in that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, because you know some I can't stay when people
break up all the time and get back together like
every other day. But that's relationships, though. But I don't
think you need to break up. I think you if
you know you're in an argument, this is how I am. Yeah,
I know we're in an argument right now and we're
gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah. Yeah, that's how I look at it. That's great security.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, you know what's your sign? I'm a Capricorn. Oh,
I love a Capricorn. My mom's a Capricorn.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, I love very chill you guys, are relationships. No, sister,
you said we're not easy in relationships. No, I think
I'm pretty I'm pretty easy.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Why you say that, Well, Capricorn females love themselves first, wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You gotta put my oxygen mask on first before I
say you're the dig and so you know, when you're
deeply invested in a relationship.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
It can't always be like that, but it's always like
that with female Capricorns, which is not a character farts false.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Just who you guys are and what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm a Pisces, Okay, I don't know a lot about
a female pisces, which is different than the male. We
don't date male pisces. They're not for dating. Okay, I
don't think so.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, so what are your characteristics? I don't know. You
don't play about yourself yours. I'm really really honest.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I love love and I could go deep, and that's
why I have to be very careful. That's why I
said I'm not giving one hundred percent of myself right.
And we are loyal to a fault?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, yeah, Capricains are loyal to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yes, you guys are. Yes, you guys are. And I'm
very very very very intuitive. You guys are too, are
you know?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I was thinking about also in the Heartbreak Retrograde movie
how Vince was saying, how because it feels like he
thinks you quickly all in love?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah? Yeah, that's that's a price.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
We in love?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Three days? Many you think you've been in love? Of course?
How many times? Of course?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Once?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Just wow?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Okay? Which one you said? Once or three times?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah? Once so three?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, once so three. I'm in love every time. But
you know what that means. Falling out of love is tough. Yeah,
when you fall And is it really love if you
could fall in love?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And I agree with what he said too, Is it
really love if you can fall in love that fast?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Or is it just that honeymoon phase lust? For me,
it was one hundred percent real, really a hundred percent.
So do you believe in love at first sight? I
believe in our strong connection at first sight?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Yeah, that can happen, yeah sometimes, But love love?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Love is love really unconditional?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's love unconditional. I'm gonna say yes, and let me
tell you why.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Because if I truly love you, I have to accept
everything about you, and that's unconditional and so let me
just tell you this. So let's just say you and
I are together, right, and I know that you like
women and you like variety of women. If I really
(38:30):
truly love you, I have to accept that about you.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I feel like you just described into it.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Just how to accept it until you're ready to change,
until you're ready enough, Okay, But if I really love you,
I have to accept that about this person.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You as Ben's when do men stop hon around?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And because you know, some people think once a man
is this way, always this way, but you do feel
like when the right way and he said this, when
the right woman comes alone.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
He's gonna make an effort to change.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
He's going I think I think he'll make the effort.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Who's he I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Man? Is he right?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
If the right woman comes along? I think he'll make
that effort absolutely. You know, whether he struggles and he
hits his head a few times, but he's going to
make a better effort than he was doing in the past.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
What if a man told you we could be together?
But I do want to have an open relationship.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's not for me, okay, but I respect it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
It's really nice. Respect.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
I think is important though, And I think this is
where we go wrong at I'm not honest.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
When we don't accept everything about that person.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Right, But whether you accept it or not, at least
I gave you that. I gave you your freedom by being.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Honest with you.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Now, if I come to you selling you some ship
that I'm not that, I'm taking your taste like I'm
taking a freedom.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
So let me just go back here.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
So the person the heartbea retrogade person, right, I was
honest with them.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
About how I felt about my the other person.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You get what I'm saying, and we still entered in
the relationship with.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
You already knowing.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I'm not saying that I get a pass. I'm not
saying I get a pass.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
You listen, this is my person. I'm not leaving them.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
He was still in my life. He was still in
my life, but we were platonic in my life.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Does that make sense? It makes sense, But not if
you still feel a way about them. I was honest
about it, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Saying I can understand, like you know, okay, but why
not go back there then?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Like that's not for me either, Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, I learned during this situation that I just really
had to heal and wrap things up.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Sometimes you gotta close the tactic.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
That's what my mother through it though first.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Sometimes right you had to experience it a little bit
first and then close.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
It because you never find the right thing when you
have too much like going on. I feel like sometimes
you got to just clean the slate off, clear everything out,
and then be like, okay, now I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
And you know, men, when they see you move on,
they get upset about that. And when they see you
happy or looking like you're happy with somebody and want
to be with somebody, they want to spend the block
because they want to see it. They still got it.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I've seen you do that.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Now I see you look at it and be like, oh,
she would let me call her. That's horrible.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I see, I say, he'd like, she would hold on,
let me get her out.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's a horrible thing to like.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Sometimes when women get in relationships with other guys, they
block him.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
You better, you better, if you want you, if you
want to give you a real the new relationship will
change you better.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Your business acumen has been amazing, and so you're also
going to be producing a movie that you're stirring in
with Tay Diggs.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Well, I'm not producing it. No, not that you're producing.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
No, this is Chris Stokes, Okay, yes, And I'm just
so grateful because it all came at the right time,
you know.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I did produce my movie. Yeah, you did your
movie and wrote it and yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
So I don't know, I'm feeling I'm feeling like I'm
a filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, I'm feeling that way, always always evolving. How is
it working with diggsse we're getting ready to wrap in
another week.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
But it's amazing. I've learned so much from him. He's
such a professional and I just feel like he made
me step up to the plate. I felt like I
was army a good actress, but I feel like he's
He's made me take it very, very seriously.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Man.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And so you already have a part two to this plan.
So it was it's going to be another movie too,
because it feels like now you have the bug, yes
to be able to do these you know. I feel
like we do need these visuals and to see a
full on movie, like, yeah, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
But yeah, I don't think that people would have I
think the music is great on heartbreak retro grade by itself,
but I don't think that people would have truly understood
the message and why I call it heartbreak retrograde, you
know what I mean, and why the songs are the
way that they are it had it not been for
the visual and the artwork is beautiful too.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Thank you, Thank you. I feel like that's a painting.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Well, you know, it was just about me being vulnerable.
That's why I'm basically like a Barbie neeckad and also
you know the whole you know, understanding that the universe
gives us what we need when we need, and so
that's what that picture was about.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
All right, Well, we are really hoping for healing for everything.
I know, thank youseal for relationships.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
But I know you have a lot of things happening
just personally right now.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
So here's to hoping that all of that. I mean,
it's families, so ups and downs.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
You guys you know go through it sometimes publicly unfortunately,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It helps other people too.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
But I just feel, you know, this is twenty twenty
six is coming.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
It will be a great year. Yeah for you two, sister,
Thank you. I'm out here working hard and you too.
I hope that you find your your wife when the
wait for the wedding.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We didn't set the new date yet it's a week now.
We're so well what.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
I'm saying, I didn't. I didn't put the date out
there yet. I'm just still trying.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
So you have somebody in mind yet you see how.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
May yet see how they be doing? When I speaking,
I'm speaking.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Plural speaking speaking play When I say we, I'm speaking
you haven't made the decisions.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I haven't made the date yet.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
See last year, the date was set for July twenty six,
and what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
He's trying to he put together.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
The venue, the venue I had, the ring, the tuxedo, yeah, everything.
I was even I was even getting, uh what uh?
What are the girls that they have?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Usually women, the flower girls that you don't choose the man.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You don't choose that.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You don't have a lot of friends.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So she don't have any so it's just you and
her standing up there. You don't choose the brides maids.
Why would you choose.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
There was a package deal. I was like, all you
have to do is.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
It feels like this is just a TV show and
it's not serious.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Are you being serious? Okay, but I was gonna say
this is disgusting. I would run from you. I'm like, hell.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
All right, Well, we'll be watching what you're doing privately.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Also, because I know Tamar gets spotted outside, it's gonna
be on the blog.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
So what is that? Because you're Tamar Braxton, what do
you want us to do? See?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So yes, I'll make sure though before I report it,
I'm a DMU and be like is this and I
will let you know. Okay, thank you appreciate it, all right,
Tamar Braxton. If you haven't seen Heartbreak Retrograde the movie,
make sure you watch it.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
It it's entirety. It's about forty five.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Minutes long, and then you can really go back and
listen to the music and kind.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Of put it all together. Yes, on my YouTube. It's
on her YouTube. Get that money girl, Yeah right,
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