February 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Josh Pele Wows With Mind-Reading & Easy Card Tricks, His Magic Moments With Celebs + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Now what's up.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's way up with Angela Yee and Josh Pelly is here.
Josh Pelley Magic is here with us today. I'm excited
to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Okay, you don't sound like it, Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
No, Okay, overwhelmed with emotion.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So when our producer Dan was proposing one of the things,
he had all these plans of like how he wanted
to do it, and one of the things that his
fiancee loves is magic, and so we had a chance
to witness you, you know, doing some magic. And so
I'm just glad that you're here because I have seen
you all over the place and just for people who
are listening, like we've seen you just recently. Jayden Smith,
(00:42):
you did his you did his party. You've done magic
for a fifty cent which you can't mess that up.
There's a lot of pressure right there. J Balvin, Mike
Tyson can't mess that up either. French Montana, Tiffany Hattis, Maya,
just all of our favorite celebrities. So you know, kudos
to you for everything that you've been doing.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, thank you. I mean, they're no Angela Yee, but
they're out there, you know, maybe they'll get there, the
credentials are coming. It's it's just awesome to be able
to do what I do, perform, you know, make moments
for people. I think that a lot of times I
get asked is magic real? And they're asking me is
the effects I'm doing real? And I really think that
the idea should be more on the impact I leave
on people. Is that no matter what you're doing, if
(01:22):
you're having a bad day, a sad day, a good day,
two minutes, three minutes, four minutes I have with you,
you love me, you hate me. That's two three four minutes,
you're living in the moment, which I think is magic
on its own. And the fact that I'm able to
do that to anyone, regardless of circumstance, to me is
what real magic is. So in that definition, I think
that's the magic I'm able to bring and I hope
to do it as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And you're also a mentalist, So can you explain for
people listening you're not just a magician, you're a mentalist.
What is a mentalist?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, a mentalist. It's definitely something that's trending lately, new
kind of magic. I would say with magicians, you hear
things like sleight of hand, which essentially is skills that
we practice. You get in the lab, you work on
the routines, and then you go perform them, assuming that
the trick is based on a slight or a move. Mentalism,
the easiest way to explain it would be the magic
of the mind. So it's a type of magic, but
(02:11):
it's more heavily on less necessarily skill based slight hand,
which it does include, but now I'm also adding in
a lot of body language psychology, right trying to get
you to think one way or another, or trying to
see how you're thinking, and incorporating all of those features.
So cognitive psychology, human behavior is whatever the word is,
different biases that there are, and just a little of
(02:32):
everything there. So it's very more psychological based. It's a
lot harder when something is psychological. You don't have a
guarantee that'll work, versus with some magic tricks. It's kind
of if you do the.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Move, it'll work.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
If you do it poorly, you'll get caught. That's another story.
But at the end of the day, it works, which
is one thing. But with mentalism, it's never guaranteed. You
could be doing the same thing twenty years in a
row and you still never have one hundred percent. You'll
be pretty lucky, I mean not lucky, but most of
the time it'll be right. You'll be in the high
ninety percent of But there's always always room for error
in that way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now, what's so interesting is for people to understand how
you got your start. I saw you were traveling to Italy.
Is that what happened? And started doing med? Like, can
you tell us how this all started for you?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, that's one of the randommest thing people expect to hear,
you know. They come to me, they say, how long
have you been doing magic? You must have loved it
as a kid. You must have bought a kid, you
must have seen a magician, which is how a lot
of people start. You see that moment when you're young,
and to some it goes away, they get into other interests.
To others, they end up doing that as the career.
And for me, I didn't really have that. I was
an athlete growing up. I went all the way through
(03:35):
my career full scholarship, d one soccer player. That was
one of my life I was going to be a
pro s well Pale. Yeah, that's where that's where it
comes from, because the soccer success, that's all I knew,
that's all I wanted to do. I was going through
school just to make my parents happy, and as soon
as I got that degree, I was going to leave,
leave the country go play pro. Got injured very early
in my career, like after I graduated, so the pro
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career was very short. And then the Italy trip. I
went to visit a friend. I'm relaxing in my downtime,
kind of between activities, and there's kind of like there's
a deck of cards on the table, just what people
have in their coffee tables. I grab it. I'm playing
with the cards, just fidgeting, relaxing. I'm tired, jet lagged,
and an idea comes to my mind. Now I don't
have context. I don't know if it's a good idea.
(04:18):
I don't know if it's bad. I don't know if
it's a magic. I don't know what it is. It's
just something that came to me, and I guess my
curious nature came out and I just had to try
it on strangers in the streets in a country that
didn't speak English. But the reactions were really good and
it was enough for me to come back and make
a career out of it. So thank God for curiosity.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Wow, you think that's a divine intervention to be sitting there,
there's a deck of cards and then just to be like,
I'm going to do this in Italy where you don't
speak Italian and they don't speak English.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's a really good question. I haven't thought of
it like that. I think that as I continue my
career and I see again the impact I make on people.
And also it's interesting when I meet other people. There's
a lot of people that I've had, several magicians, several mentalists,
a lot of different experiences from big shows to small
shows that and majority of the time I'm their favorite.
And that's not you know, it's not to say my
(05:08):
tricks are better or not. I know a lot of
people that are much say longer resumes, better skills. I
think that what separates me is that connection I create
with people, is that interactiveness, and so that I think
I've always had that nature to be social, to interact,
to have an experience with someone, and it definitely multiplies
with adding on to the magic. You know, people love
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me first, and then that as opposed to that magician
was great. Sounds great on paper, right, like if Angela
yeese like, oh, Dan, that magician was so cool, And
in a month later you're like Dan, remember that magician
And Dan's like, yeah, you're so good, Like we should
bring him somewhere. He's all, how are you gonna find him?
He's just the magician versus if it's like what Josh
(05:49):
did was amazing, we got a called now, you know,
So it's very important for me to always show myself first.
I'm Josh. You like Josh and you like the magic
Josh does. So if the name is Josh, later on
when you need something like that, you call Josh. If
it's just the magician, you know, that's when I get
lost in the spreadsheets, the CRMs, the databases, and that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Doesn't is it weird?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like people might want to hang out, like you know,
they met you doing magic at an event and then
they're like what are you doing later? And the next thing,
you know, like you're going out for drinks, Like how
does that work? You're social part of it, because like
you said, people like Josh the person, and then there's
Jash the magician and they're like, oh, I really you know,
enjoyed him being there, because a lot of what you
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do is social.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, I think I definitely get cool invites. For example,
yesterday I was doing a show and it was it
was New York's longest running magic show. It's called Monday
Night Magic, and that's like a series of a lot
of performers. So there's a lot of magicians that perform.
So you come get dinner, you might have like one
to ten magicians come up to you in that hour
and a half you're eating dinner, and then there's a
show show that you watch. It's a very long program.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's like, Dan, did you go to this? And did
you know about this? Would you go to this? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
She was to go yeah, yeah, you guys should go
and out. Now I'm one of the performers there, so
now I don't mind talking about it. Before I was like,
don't go there, go to my show. Now I'm part
of it. And the table yesterday actually they had a
few magicians at the end. They came up They're like,
we loved your charisma more than the other people that
came up to us, and they invited me to go
play soccer with them this weekend. I could check when
and where the time, but I get invited to things.
(07:19):
I think for me and the way it is is
my business grows from me being myself, so me being
social always helps. You never know when you go to
an event, right, anyone could be a client. There could
be someone that has something for their party coming up,
someone's engaged, someone's that. There's all kinds of events and
just being in front of them is very important for me.
And by going out more, I increase my chances, my leads.
(07:40):
And then when I do my show is I usually
get a lot of repeats because of what I'm able
to accomplish in that time.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
With them, and even talking about what you're doing now
with other magicians present, how competitive is that? Like is
everybody cool or is it more like Josh ain't all
that Well.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
There's the people that say, hey, Josh, like I'm like
thankful that my resume like has like a very big presence.
You know, someone says Josh and all that, and then
they see, you know, the names that I performed for
the TV appearances. Then they kind of they start to
hold themselves back from comments like that because they probably
are trying to do things like that, and now they're like, oh,
but how does he do that. I think when I
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first started, when I came back from Italy, I maybe
it was the wrong group of magicians but the very
few that I interacted with at the time weren't very
open to me wanting to talk magic. I wasn't asking
them for secrets or how to do tricks. I was
just interested in just talking, just like a subject. And
they were very mean to me, and I think that
kind of threw me away from wanting to meet other magicians.
And I just was like, I'm gonna put my head down,
(08:39):
and I don't like if you tell me I can't
do something, I'm twice as likely going to do it.
I just love doing stuff when people tell me. Now,
like people say I can't wait and see you again. Yeah,
Like if someone if someone says I can do something,
I'm like, yeah, I'll go do it. But if someone
says I can't, I'm like, oh, I'm really gonna go
do it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And from there, I think because I just put my
head down and it started grinding, the magic wasn't quite there.
I mean when I got back from my new one
trick but the business side, I'm like, I'm going meet people,
I'm gonna tell people I do this, I'm gonna sell myself.
I'm gonna push myself. And then the accolades, the resumes,
the videos, the content started coming, and now you know,
now I want people to be to be close with
(09:14):
because I'm starting to get a point where I'm overbooked,
and so if I have two shows, I want to
have friends that I could say, hey, I have a
really good show for you, and I could send you there.
And I've started to make a good number of friends,
and I think with this new show too, I'm gonna
hopefully make some new friends there where we could help
each other feed. Magicians are not very nice in general.
It's not a good industry. Everyone's kind of full of themselves.
It's really easy to remember to think that you're like,
(09:36):
I don't want to curse, but you're the issue because
of the impact you do. But at the end of
the day, that's what you're doing. It's the magic tricks
you're doing. It's not you. And I think a lot
of magicians let that get to their heads and their
egos flow and keep growing over time with that, and
I think it's it's just bad because we could all eat.
There's always going to be more demand than we can supply,
especially because we're such a specific thing, and so by
(09:58):
a by, by working together, there's so much growth. So
I want more magician friends, I want more people. I
want to help them. I want to get more shows
where you can do like.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
A TV show in the making already.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Like yeah, honestly, magicians are like a reality show. It's
not a very interesting one. Like the drama is just boring.
Like I think people would watch and be like that's
just so dumb, Like you're kind of lame, but like
it's just what do you think.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's like the ultimate?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I remember when I was serious, I interviewed Chris Angel
and that was like a really big deal, you know
when that happened. But like being in Vegas and having
like like a residency there, what do you think for
you if you have to think to the future, like
what what do you want?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, that's a really good question. And a lot of
magicians that's their dream to get a residency in Vegas.
And I perform in Vegas every year I go down there.
That's one of my residencies. I have Vegas I do
every year. Miami I usually get to do every year.
In Mexico has been one of the last few years
that I've done. I think that I have a stage show.
You guys haven't seen it, and I'm excited for when
you do come to see it. But I like doing it.
(10:57):
I wouldn't mind a stage show, but I also don't
know how full time I would want a stage show, like,
I don't want to be limited to a city. For me,
I love going to Vegas and performing and then coming
back to New York.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is they're the best money? You think in Vegas or
in my head, it is because I think there.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think because of the product you're offering. The money
can be anywhere, you know, Like there's magicians in New
York City that they pay like venues, like thirty thousand
a month in rent just to do their show twice
a week. And they make that much money that they
can afford like thirty thousands. They're just magicians and they're
paying thirty thousand in rent a month or like, yeah,
(11:33):
it's about thirty I know another guy I know, he
has a deal with a hotel. He pays them five
hundred k a year. To run the show on twice a.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Week, and that is crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So you can do it in New York. It's really
getting the demand, getting the ticket sales, getting the name.
I think you could really do it anywhere. It's all
but that again, like the magic stuff, it just comes
down to business. You could be the best magician in
the world, make no money. You could be a terrible magician. Honestly,
make a couple hundred thousand if you really are good
at the business aspect.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Who's been the most fun?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like, I know people probably ask you this all the time,
but like, what are some memorable experiences that you had,
because you've done a lot of private events.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I think some moments to stick out to me.
Jade and Smith the first time I've did it, two
birthdays of his that were about a year apart. The
first one was cool because in the video he like
he's freaking out so much that he's like smacking the
guy next to him, which is the security guard of
the club. And that security guard ended up becoming one
of my really close friends. And I did like his
sister's His sister had a baby. I did their shower,
(12:32):
so it's kind of cool, like we connected over that moment,
like I freaked out a celebrity and he got to
be the person that got smacked by the celebrity, which
is I mean to some people, that's a very cool moment,
like Jade Smith was smacking me, not you. That stands
out to me. Performing for you stood out, which is
full well it did because because of the timing, because
randomly I'd done Mano before and when I saw you
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guys talk about me the next week, that was just
a cool thing to like just randomly wake up to
you Like Dan's like, hey, we talked about in the
show and I'm like, yeah, what are you're saying? And
I was like wait, this is like amazing because I
you know, I I don't know like how many of
my friends, like a lot of my friends love you,
but I don't know how much of the people throughout
my life. And I had people like from high school,
like I haven't talked to them in years cause I
(13:14):
haven't really seen them in high school. They're like Angela
yee saying that's insane. And I'm getting text from like
high school people because angelaie like Eve like my magic
and I was like that's just a cool thing, like
I haven't had anyone. I didn't have anyone. I don't
think I've had anyone from high school. TXT me about
any of the other names like that. So that's that's
a unique one we're talking about. Yeah, another one would
(13:34):
be Saquon Barkley's huge right now. I have a video
of him saying Josh is the best magician there is
and that's right after I did a trick for him
and his mother.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's why them of the magicians don't like you.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't know if they've seen that click yet, but
that one was good because it was It was a
great trick. It's one of my best ones. I think
it gets a really powerful impact. And you know I
did that with him in front of I did it
for his mother, So not only is it a good trick,
I'm doing it for his mom. And he literally stood
up and ran away if he walked away, and then
he came back and with all of his success, congrats
to him. You know, that's always a good clip, right
(14:06):
when with magic, it's like if someone that you perform
for is doing really well, you could repurpose that content.
If I have a video that's old with someone and
I repost it when they do something right. If you
or UFC fighter and they win the belt, I post
a video perfect time, if it's their birthday, if they
start a new show, if they do like a really
big achievement like going the way up show, like that's
(14:27):
something worth posting.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'm so good at this.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I have one more question too, and before we get
into some tricks. Yes, do you think anybody can do magic?
Can anybody learn it? Or is it something that you
feel like you know because we've we've all seen tricks
go wrong too, and I'm sure there's people who have
tried it and they just gave up. Do you think
that it's something that anyone can actually become good at?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I firmly believe anyone could be a magician, because
I think there's a big distinction between a magician or
what I do. Because I'm a full time magician. To
do magic full time, that's a wholeness, but that doesn't
come down to the nitty gritty of the magic. That
comes down to everything else, the networking, the business, to
selling yourself on a very hard product to sell. It's
not the most straightforward.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Thing, like how do you get even started? I'm sure
if anybody wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's like where do I Yeah, where do I start?
How do I get shows? How to?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And like you said, it's not easy to get like
a mentor in the business.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And then it's also like you know, when you first
getting started, you tell people what you do, you're a magician.
They're going to ask you, Okay, what if I hire you?
What are you going to do? You don't know, like
how do you explain what you do or how? It's
not the most trivial thing, but in terms of doing tricks,
I think that in my mind, if someone knows a trick,
they're a magician. If you asked me to teach you
a card trick and you learn it and you can
(15:39):
go do it to your wife, your husband, your friends,
you're a magician.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
We can put that in our bio exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, well, well you are already a magician, but we're
going to add to your your.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Toolkit and okay, well let's let's I want there to
be because I know we're on the radio, so we
want to make sure that there's some things we can
do that are visual. But I want to do something
also that people listening can follow along.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I think today. We have two tricks. We have
something mind reading into the mentalism, and then we have
a very fun, magic tricky. Cool thing about this magic
trick is that everyone back home listening can follow along.
So if you're listening right now and you have a
deck of cards on you, take a moment and grab them.
We're going to start with the other tricks. You don't
have to worry, but have a deck ready because this
is going to be a fun trick for you all later.
(16:21):
But before we do that, we're going to get into
a little mind reading mentalism. Okay, and not many people do,
but I do have what women want an envelope that
I brought today, And for the people that can't see,
I'm going to literally dictate it's a white envelope that
says gift, and this is literally a gift for you.
And sometimes when we're doing mind reading, we want to
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set that tone, we want to set that imagery up.
So everything I'm going to be saying, a lot of
people can at least picture it at home. They don't
need to necessarily be in the room with us. So
I want you to imagine you're going to go to
look at daily test like a grocery store. Can you
imagine yourself driving to that grocery store, okay, whatever clothes
you might wear, whatever car you might dry, whatever, maybe
(17:01):
trinkets you have in the car. Sometimes people have, like
the air fresheners and the keychains hanging. I don't know
if the word, but you can kind of see all
the little things that describe you. How you customize your
car driving to that grocery store, okay, and imagine how
long that trip is, whether it's a short trip you're
in and out or maybe a little bit of a drive,
depending on where you live. You park your car. It's
a good day, sun is out, it's great. Whether you
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have a spot right in the beginning, so you're happy,
you're ready off to a good start. You get out,
you go into that grocery store and you're shopping around
and you're buying maybe food that you like, maybe things
that you have on your list, maybe things you want
to try, something new. And then you're gonna go to
the candy section. You have a sweet tooth this day,
and you don't feel like cookies or chocolate. You want
(17:44):
like some kind of candy, and can we fruity? Maybe
something fruity you have chocolate or fruity, and you're looking
through the candy store, and I want you to visualize
as you're looking at that aisle buying an item. Can
you see that aisle and you see how many options
are there?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Probably hmmm, I'm trying to think what would I want? Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And you remember that item? Okay, and you're gonna pick
it up and you're gonna buy it. Hey, Now what
I'm gonna have you do. I'm gonna have you close
your eyes for a moment, so I want you to
visualize it. So I'm gonna take out the gifts so
she doesn't see. And you picked up that item. Okay.
On the count of three, you're gonna open your eyes
and say that item that you bought. Okay, okay, one, two, three.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Nerds Gummy cluster.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Nerds to everyone back home. I have Nerds gummy clusters.
So you see Nerds gummy clusters. That's good. But we
also have here for those that don't see what I have,
I have ASMR. We have these m and ms. These
m and ms are for you in a moment, and
(18:48):
remember you're going through You're getting Nerds gummy cluster. Is
that your favorite candy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, it just was what I felt like.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay, great, so you'll feel that, you'll grab that. What
other stuff might you grab?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Candy or things?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Other things? Anything?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh? I probably get some ginger beer.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Ginger beer good?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay? What else would I get from the supermarket? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Fresh ginger because I love that. And I have a
juicer at home right now, good and.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Some good things. Juicer is good, fresh stuff. Now again,
we were looking through with Dan earlier, were saying we
need to buy a gift as well. Dan, with me earlier,
had these gifts with you. Do you remember your other gift?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
My other gift, the gift that you needed to remember
you have a gift.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yes, yes, there's one more gift for the audience back home.
Angela picked another gift to add on to the gummy
clusters and the ginger and that and what was the gift?
Say it it was?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it was Swedish fish.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Eminem's. I'm holding eminems, she said, Eminem's. That's autocorrect. I'm
sorry it was Swedish fish.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, okay, we can read now, I'm kidding Swedish fish.
Do you like Swedish fish?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Not really, but it's what I picked on.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The Okay, could you cut your hands for me? Do
you like Eminems? Though? Yeah, that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to rip the m and ms and I'm
going to pour in the Swedish fish in the m
and ms. For those back home, we had Swedish fish
in the m and ms.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Can I eat these?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know what's crazy? I also want to know how
did you manage to have that packaging so it looked
like a fresh pack of Eminem's. It's an Eminem's package.
But when he opened it, all the Swedish fish poured out.
And before we started, he asked me to choose a number.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I choose a random, random.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Number and the number I chose was sixty three and
I was a completely random number.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And it says sweetish fish next to that number. And
here they are. I feel like, if I eat this,
it's good luck? Is it?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's what Dan would say?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Is it Dan?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
They're fresh too and nice and chewed. Did not the
stale taste in one The only only amazing. I'm not
gonna lie because I was like, it's not looking good.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Thank you, thank you. Now we get the fun part
the audience is on their toes. I've got some mind red.
So now we're going to do a trick where everyone
back home, hopefully you have your deck of cards can
join us. Okay, Angela, I have a deck of cards
for you, and I'm also holding a deck of cards.
Now for you, I made it easier. I sorted them
in pairs. Okay, And for anyone back home, all you're
gonna have to do is grab four pairs of cards.
(21:28):
So for example, a pair would be like a two
of hearts and a two of diamonds. Because they're red.
You could choose any four pairs you like, and you
could just drop them onto the table. So everyone back home,
whatever four.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Pairs you like, you know, I gott to pick the queen.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yes, can't pick yourself, but will allow it this time.
And everyone back home, once you have your parents, split
them apart. So for me, I'll make an easy example.
I'm using ace two three four, and I'm using the
other color, the same color, so the hearts and the
diamonds the two, three and four, So you'd want to
split those up. So one pile ace two three four,
and then the other pile would be the opposite the pairs. Yes,
(22:07):
just like that. So once you have your pairs split up,
you can take one one pile, so Ace two, three four,
and you could organize it any way you like, so
however you want to, but make sure you can see
that order. Okay, yep, okay, you want to do it
in that exact order, So just like that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Great, maybe I can switch it up.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
You can switch it up, so that's gonna be there.
When you have one pile in a specific order, make
sure that the other four cards the pairs are in
that same order. So match that up as well.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Hope I'm being a good student.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You are, as long as they're the same. So in
your case, you have Jack two, Queen four and then
Jack to and you could square up those two piles. Okay, right,
and everyone back home, hopefully you're following, and you can
put either one on the other, put one on top
of the other, doesn't matter which one. Now you could
pick that up as well. For those of you back home.
There's this thing in cards or casinos called cutting the cards.
(23:06):
Are you familiar with cutting the car? So what do
you do? You hold it like this in a dealer's grip,
and you could take a chunk of cards and you
can put them to the bottom and just just like that.
That's how we're gonna cut. So you can do as
many cuts as you like, taking a chunk from the
top and putting them in the bottom. Do not shuffler mix.
We're just doing clean cuts.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Perfect okay.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Great. Now what we're gonna do. We're gonna take the
top card and we're gonna put it on the bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now the next one, we're gonna take the top two cards.
We're gonna hold them as one, and we're gonna put
them to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Great. Now we're gonna take the top three cards three okay,
hold them as one hip square that up, okay, and
you can put them anywhere in the middle anywhere you want,
just like that. Great, And now that top card, leave
it aside. That'll be our card forli Great. Now, what
(24:06):
we're gonna do this is your choice. You could choose
one card, two cards, or three from the top and
that'll be in one pile again okay, and you can
make sure they stay together. You can put them anywhere
in the middle, just like that. Good. Now, that top
card you can replace it with a card in the deck.
(24:26):
So the top card in your hand, you can move
it aside, okay, and you can grab another card from
the deck from your deck right there deck. Yeah, the
cards that were in play, and you just take a
random one and put that on top. Hopefully we didn't
get rid of your partner. Now that we've done that again,
this will be your choice. You can do one card,
two card, or three cards from the top, however many
(24:49):
you like, and just put them away. We don't want them,
put them put them away somewhere. We'll grab that now.
This is a trick about pairs. And Valentine's Day was
recently Ten's Days about love and romance. So we're gonna
do this. We're gonna take the top card and put
it to the bottom as we spell romance. So what
I mean by that is the top card, we put
it to the bottom, and that'll be the R, and
(25:11):
then the next card will be the O, and then
the M, and then the A, then the N, then
the C and then the EA. You're kind of forming
this romance and hopefully back home you're falling along now again, partners,
and Valentine's is about romance. It's about love and maybe
for those younger audiences. You might not know this game,
(25:31):
but there's a game called she loves Me. With the
rose petals you pluck them saying she loves me, she
loves me. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna
play that game. When it's she loves me, we put
it to the bottom, and if she loves me not,
we get it rid of it. So we'll start so
she loves me, the top card goes to the bottom. Okay,
she loves me not. We just take the next top
card and put it away, and then we keep going
she loves me, she loves me, not she loves me,
(25:54):
she loves me, not card she loves me, she loves
me not. Well, because we did random number of cards
it was one, two or three, so everyone might run
out earlier or okay, later, but once you keep going
through she loves me, she loves me not. Once you
have one card left, you just leave it with your pile,
and on the count of three, everyone will turn their
cards over. One, two, three, We have a perfect pair. Amazing,
(26:22):
and everyone back home. Whether you did lesser and more cards,
you should also have a pair.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Now, how were people supposed to follow along and do that? Trick.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, well, I was very clear it's in the in
the tricks.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, but I mean like this will work for anybody.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They will work for anyone. If you take your cards
and you listen to what I say, then you'll do it.
So again, what we did was we had the four pairs,
so we split up the pairs. So two pile is
basically the same, right my use my example, ace two
three four, So I had one two three four. That
was the order I wanted the first pile. So make
sure your other pile matches one two, three four and square.
(26:57):
Both piles up and then you can put them on top.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
So my cards meshed what your cards were doing. Also,
you in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
In the beginning, the two pairs are in the same order.
So in the first group before your four was the
second card. The second group before it's also the second card.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I want to make sure people do it right. You
also have to know how to spell romance.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, but we did it. We did it. We did
it together. So when you play it back, just just listen,
listen and follow along and you'll see each step that
we did.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
The only things everyone might be different is at the
beginning when we were cutting the cards, you might cut once,
someone else might cut a few times, it doesn't matter.
Then the next step we took a card. Everyone followed along.
Then we did two, everyone fall along, then three. Then
I gave choices. So that's why we were off because
I said you could do one, two, or three cards.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So if you did that, thought I messed up. I
don't even understand how this works, you know what I mean? Like,
I know people are like, how does that even happen?
And the second question I have is can you gamble that?
And are you able to? Like?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Are you good at doing that?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Ends on how good my disguise is on the deck.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Because it feels like I don't know is counting cards
part of this or a.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Counting cards is not part of this? But gambling it's
legal to account cards. You just don't want to be
making too much money. Well it's legal, so you can
do it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But they can.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They can. It is their choice. They could, they could
warn you, they could ban you, or they could do
other things.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's crazy. I don't even understand how that worked. I'm
going to have to do some research, you know, me chat, GPT.
Why did this work?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yes? Well, we had a perfect match for you with
me and anyone that followed along. If it didn't work
for you, you're just bad at listening to instructions.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Can I look at the other card?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yes you can, those were the ones you used.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, all right, this looks real.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yes, you could do this with any cards, anyone, back home, whatever,
even if you you know, sometimes I get calls and
people say, hey, can you do a trick on FaceTime?
I'm like sure, and I asked them do you have
a deck of cards? And sometimes people tell me I
don't have any cards. I have Uno cards. If you
have Uno cards, you could also do this trick follow
along the same way. Again, your pairs have to match,
(29:07):
so if you picked a reverse, then the pair would
be the reverse. If you picked a two, the pair
would be the two. So any deck of cards, Uno cards,
playing cards, if you have other card games where you
could make pairs, this trick will also work for you.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Geesh, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I don't even know how that worked, but.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know, how is it when like you're an event
and people are sometimes can be a little drunk and
rambunctious while you're trying, and you know, what I mean, like,
has that ever been an issue?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, I mean you have those groups and you just
kind of make sure you don't do that person privately,
Like I wouldn't want the drunk rambunction of person one
on one, but two, one, three, one four.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
One everybody does can calm it down.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, exactly. But a lot of times, you know, the
drunk person at first, it's just their drunkness acting, it's
not them, and so when they see the trick or
when they're amazed, they're suddenly a big raver. Like I've
had it be like the case where you know, i
might be leaving a club and I'm talking to the
dormant because he's my friend. I'm saying hi, and you
know this group, but like maybe like two girls and
a guy will come out and they're friends with the dormant,
(30:09):
and I'm like, oh, show them something before they leave.
And this happened to me about a week and a
half ago, but this does happen a lot. And I
don't know the guy. I don't know these two girls,
but I'm showing them a trick and guys like she's married,
she's what I'm like, And the dorman is like just
relaxed bro like yeah, because he knows that they're not random.
And I'm like, oh, just let me do the trick.
He's like, well no, no, no, she's gotta go. And there
the girls are like just let him do the thing.
And I do the trick. It's amazing, like do a
do it? Trying to tell the guy to watch a
(30:30):
trick and he's like, nah, I don't want to, blah
blah blah. And then he does a trick and then
he does the trick and he's like, did you see that?
Do it again? Do it now? He's like five minutes later,
he's like he wants to stay. He doesn't want to
go with, he doesn't want them to leave. He's like,
let's do more. Like it's not the person per se,
it's just that's just how magic is perceived. There's not
really a frame of reference for magic, and there's no
(30:52):
such thing as what's good magic, what's bad magic? What
is magic? Like I said, if I come up to
you and I say, hey, I'm a magician, I don't
really know what that means. People usually seen tiktoks or
TV or you know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Editing like where's my wallet?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, that one that one gotta be more sneaky on Yeah,
you just got to show them. I think that's what
I do is I show it very well that what
I'm doing is not whatever you think magic is. And
I actually never say I'm a magician. That's my whole
thing is when I approach someone, I just do it,
and by the time it's done and you've put the
two and two together, you realize that what I did
is fun. It's not whatever would have went in your
head if I had just set I'm a magician, because
(31:25):
that way I get a lot more rejections.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And one last thing I want to ask you, are
there new tricks that you come up with or are
there things that you learned that already exists, or what's
the combination?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Like how do you look everything?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I like to create. I always create new stuff, especially
you know, if as I'm growing my brand right now
and I'm doing a lot of stuff like this, like
you know, I wouldn't want to be doing the same
tricks on radio and podcasts and TV. I also don't
want to be doing my generic ones. I also don't
want to be doing ones I always do, so I
try to come up with something cool, something fun, something
that would really enjoy for the team. I come up
(31:58):
with well stuff, I tweak old things, things, I add
in things at times like I might be impromptu, you know,
like yesterday, I have a trick that's one of my
regulars is where I make the cards disappear. And I'm
going around a room when I'm doing that trick, and
then I this one girl just had her phone so open.
I stole it and then I pulled it out of
her friend's here as a joke. I was like, hey,
look behind her ear, and they're thinking I'm joking. I'm like, oh,
(32:20):
it's your phone. And then I'm doing the trick. And
then I took and then and I really just do
that as a joke, but this time I took it
again and I was like, oh, look it's back there.
So then from my mind was like when I got
to the point where I'm doing a trick where the
cards disappeared, I was like, what if I take her
phone a third time? Because now I can make a
joke like do you know where they went? And they're like, no,
where are the cards? And they point to her like,
oh are they behind there? I'm like, yeah, oh no,
(32:41):
it's your phone again and like, wait what? So I
threw in like a little gag a joke into that trick,
which made it a new trick. It's fun. I'm not
necessarily gonna be doing it that way all the time,
but it was fun.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's kind of like being a stand up. Yeah, like
you adapted the crowd.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think my magic's very you know, the equivalent of
like crowd work and common would be what I do.
I'm very imprompt too. I don't plan a lot of
my things. I don't know what I'm going to do
or say. I might know the tricks, I don't know
how I'm going to present them. I feel it for
the crowd. Younger crowds that might be more jokes, more flirty,
older crowds that might be straight to the point or
less talking. Maybe they can't hear, or maybe they just
wouldn't understand if I'm joking. So I just wanted a confusion.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, I saw the mom where it turns into a
goldfish where you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, that's the one said I'm the best for it.
Oh wow, he ran away.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
He ran away for that? What happens to the goldfish.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I have an aquarium at home, so I have a tank.
People are like, oh, that's in I'm like, he's a
he works for me, he's ten ninety nine. You know,
we're good.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know what, since we said stand up comedy, what
about stealing tricks? I know that's a thing with comedians
where people steal jokes, but what about stealing tricks?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean, you're going to see overlap with that depends
I think that if you're going to steal a trick,
it depends on what the trick is, because in magic,
it's really hard to prove something's yours. It's almost impossible.
Like if I create a trick and then you steal it,
it's almost impossible for me to sue you because it's very,
very hard to prove that that trick is originally mine.
(34:07):
The intellectual property on a magic trick, it's there's only
like one case in history of magic tricks someone winning
an IP claim, and it's very difficult because everything does
come down to the fact that the basics, like the
very fundamentals of it, goes back hundreds of thousands, if
not thousands years.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Magic is very old, been around forever.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's kind of like something that, like you said, no
matter what language you speak, even if you don't speak
a language. It's something that people can like look and
still be in awe of, even if they can't understand
what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, exactly, And they're even like some people their whole
job is their magic inventors, which means they're magicians that
they don't perform. They like they're very creative people. They
create magic tricks and then sell them to other magicians.
They're like, I created this, buy it for me for
this price, and you could have it. You could have
the trick and how it works and all the instant
(34:57):
and like some of these are really good magicians flock
to it, and so you might find a lot of
magicians doing the same trick. Sometimes it's just a trick
that's historic, everyone knows it. Sometimes it's that's just the
hottest thing on the market. Magicians are terrible window shoppers.
Like you bring a magician to like a convention, and
they're going to spend so much money on tricks because
the idea is like, oh, this is so good, I'm good,
(35:19):
I love this trick, I'm going to use it. I'm
going to do it. And then you have a bookshelf
of tricks that you haven't even opened, Like they're in
the box, you've never even touched them. You get this,
which is why I stay away from magic shops and
as much as I can, I sometimes need to if
I need refills or stuff. But that's why I prefer
to make my own stuff, because I will go down
a very bad spending spree and I don't have the
(35:39):
space for all these things. Like I see things, I'm like,
this is so good, this is great, but this much
money and I'm probably not going to use it for
a year. I don't. I don't know even if I
use it a month from now, that's already not.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Who would have ever thought of all this?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And who would have ever thought you would have went
from playing professional soccer to being a magician and a mentalist.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I literally spent my whole life and my family making
their whole lives.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Catered around because that's not easy.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Well, my whole life went and like the whole family
was completely invested in everything they did to train and
prepare my legs for me to end up having a
career that's very focused on my hands. I'd never honed
in on football or basketball, or baseball or lacrosse, Like
no handsports. It was soccer only. Everything every all the
money we had was spent towards training and programs and diets.
(36:27):
And then now I make money with it.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
What did they think when you first told them this
is what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, it was right before COVID, so as the interest peak,
COVID hit. So now I'm in my house just spending
all day doing like random stuff. The only thing I
really could do is like social media work. Now I
do virtual shows and I you know, I have companies
call me when they have like, you know, say, a
team where some of the people are scattered, a zoom
call and I do a full show virtual magic. I
(36:53):
mean radio stuff is the hardest magic for sure because
the visual plays a pack.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
But I mean, but we do have a YouTube channel
way up.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
With you, so you could yeah, and I think that,
you know. Then I was just doing all this stuff
and my parents like, why are you wasting your time?
Like there's nothing that I don't really have anything else
to do. It's COVID, Like what am I gonna do? Right?
But they're like, why are you wasting your time?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
This and not.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But then the checks started coming in, and then they
started getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and now they
just they just they just they just don't even ask.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well, it looks like the cards lined up.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, it's always good. My job's easy. No, my job's easy.
You see. I get all the credit. But you're the magician.
You did that yourself. I didn't touch your cards. You
did the trick. It worked, so I basically took credit
for all your magic. So thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You're a good mentalist. Well, thank you so much. And
how can people follow you?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You can find me. I'm Josh palet Magic, Josh P.
E l E. Magic. You can find my website Josh
Palemagic dot com. You can find my instagram, my YouTube,
and you could watch this show on YouTube because you're
definitely gonna want to watch it back and try the
trick with your family, your friends and anyone else and maians.
And then when you go on a date for anyone
that's single and you show them this trick, you'll probably
(37:59):
get a second.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So unless you don't follow directions.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Unless you do, but if you don't follow directions, it's
very unlikely someone would want and second day. Anyway, that's
a whole other new ones.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
All right, Well, thank you so much. It's way up
at Angela y Josh Pelly Magic
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Way Up.
Now what's up.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's way up with Angela Yee and Josh Pelly is here.
Josh Pelley Magic is here with us today. I'm excited
to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Okay, you don't sound like it, Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
No, Okay, overwhelmed with emotion.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So when our producer Dan was proposing one of the things,
he had all these plans of like how he wanted
to do it, and one of the things that his
fiancee loves is magic, and so we had a chance
to witness you, you know, doing some magic. And so
I'm just glad that you're here because I have seen
you all over the place and just for people who
are listening, like we've seen you just recently. Jayden Smith,
(00:42):
you did his you did his party. You've done magic
for a fifty cent which you can't mess that up.
There's a lot of pressure right there. J Balvin, Mike
Tyson can't mess that up either. French Montana, Tiffany Hattis, Maya,
just all of our favorite celebrities. So you know, kudos
to you for everything that you've been doing.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, thank you. I mean, they're no Angela Yee, but
they're out there, you know, maybe they'll get there, the
credentials are coming. It's it's just awesome to be able
to do what I do, perform, you know, make moments
for people. I think that a lot of times I
get asked is magic real? And they're asking me is
the effects I'm doing real? And I really think that
the idea should be more on the impact I leave
on people. Is that no matter what you're doing, if
(01:22):
you're having a bad day, a sad day, a good day,
two minutes, three minutes, four minutes I have with you,
you love me, you hate me. That's two three four minutes,
you're living in the moment, which I think is magic
on its own. And the fact that I'm able to
do that to anyone, regardless of circumstance, to me is
what real magic is. So in that definition, I think
that's the magic I'm able to bring and I hope
to do it as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And you're also a mentalist, So can you explain for
people listening you're not just a magician, you're a mentalist.
What is a mentalist?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, a mentalist. It's definitely something that's trending lately, new
kind of magic. I would say with magicians, you hear
things like sleight of hand, which essentially is skills that
we practice. You get in the lab, you work on
the routines, and then you go perform them, assuming that
the trick is based on a slight or a move. Mentalism,
the easiest way to explain it would be the magic
of the mind. So it's a type of magic, but
(02:11):
it's more heavily on less necessarily skill based slight hand,
which it does include, but now I'm also adding in
a lot of body language psychology, right trying to get
you to think one way or another, or trying to
see how you're thinking, and incorporating all of those features.
So cognitive psychology, human behavior is whatever the word is,
different biases that there are, and just a little of
(02:32):
everything there. So it's very more psychological based. It's a
lot harder when something is psychological. You don't have a
guarantee that'll work, versus with some magic tricks. It's kind
of if you do the.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Move, it'll work.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
If you do it poorly, you'll get caught. That's another story.
But at the end of the day, it works, which
is one thing. But with mentalism, it's never guaranteed. You
could be doing the same thing twenty years in a
row and you still never have one hundred percent. You'll
be pretty lucky, I mean not lucky, but most of
the time it'll be right. You'll be in the high
ninety percent of But there's always always room for error
in that way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now, what's so interesting is for people to understand how
you got your start. I saw you were traveling to Italy.
Is that what happened? And started doing med? Like, can
you tell us how this all started for you?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, that's one of the randommest thing people expect to hear,
you know. They come to me, they say, how long
have you been doing magic? You must have loved it
as a kid. You must have bought a kid, you
must have seen a magician, which is how a lot
of people start. You see that moment when you're young,
and to some it goes away, they get into other interests.
To others, they end up doing that as the career.
And for me, I didn't really have that. I was
an athlete growing up. I went all the way through
(03:35):
my career full scholarship, d one soccer player. That was
one of my life I was going to be a
pro s well Pale. Yeah, that's where that's where it
comes from, because the soccer success, that's all I knew,
that's all I wanted to do. I was going through
school just to make my parents happy, and as soon
as I got that degree, I was going to leave,
leave the country go play pro. Got injured very early
in my career, like after I graduated, so the pro
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career was very short. And then the Italy trip. I
went to visit a friend. I'm relaxing in my downtime,
kind of between activities, and there's kind of like there's
a deck of cards on the table, just what people
have in their coffee tables. I grab it. I'm playing
with the cards, just fidgeting, relaxing. I'm tired, jet lagged,
and an idea comes to my mind. Now I don't
have context. I don't know if it's a good idea.
(04:18):
I don't know if it's bad. I don't know if
it's a magic. I don't know what it is. It's
just something that came to me, and I guess my
curious nature came out and I just had to try
it on strangers in the streets in a country that
didn't speak English. But the reactions were really good and
it was enough for me to come back and make
a career out of it. So thank God for curiosity.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Wow, you think that's a divine intervention to be sitting there,
there's a deck of cards and then just to be like,
I'm going to do this in Italy where you don't
speak Italian and they don't speak English.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's a really good question. I haven't thought of
it like that. I think that as I continue my
career and I see again the impact I make on people.
And also it's interesting when I meet other people. There's
a lot of people that I've had, several magicians, several mentalists,
a lot of different experiences from big shows to small
shows that and majority of the time I'm their favorite.
And that's not you know, it's not to say my
(05:08):
tricks are better or not. I know a lot of
people that are much say longer resumes, better skills. I
think that what separates me is that connection I create
with people, is that interactiveness, and so that I think
I've always had that nature to be social, to interact,
to have an experience with someone, and it definitely multiplies
with adding on to the magic. You know, people love
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me first, and then that as opposed to that magician
was great. Sounds great on paper, right, like if Angela
yeese like, oh, Dan, that magician was so cool, And
in a month later you're like Dan, remember that magician
And Dan's like, yeah, you're so good, Like we should
bring him somewhere. He's all, how are you gonna find him?
He's just the magician versus if it's like what Josh
(05:49):
did was amazing, we got a called now, you know,
So it's very important for me to always show myself first.
I'm Josh. You like Josh and you like the magic
Josh does. So if the name is Josh, later on
when you need something like that, you call Josh. If
it's just the magician, you know, that's when I get
lost in the spreadsheets, the CRMs, the databases, and that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Doesn't is it weird?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like people might want to hang out, like you know,
they met you doing magic at an event and then
they're like what are you doing later? And the next thing,
you know, like you're going out for drinks, Like how
does that work? You're social part of it, because like
you said, people like Josh the person, and then there's
Jash the magician and they're like, oh, I really you know,
enjoyed him being there, because a lot of what you
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do is social.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, I think I definitely get cool invites. For example,
yesterday I was doing a show and it was it
was New York's longest running magic show. It's called Monday
Night Magic, and that's like a series of a lot
of performers. So there's a lot of magicians that perform.
So you come get dinner, you might have like one
to ten magicians come up to you in that hour
and a half you're eating dinner, and then there's a
show show that you watch. It's a very long program.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's like, Dan, did you go to this? And did
you know about this? Would you go to this? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
She was to go yeah, yeah, you guys should go
and out. Now I'm one of the performers there, so
now I don't mind talking about it. Before I was like,
don't go there, go to my show. Now I'm part
of it. And the table yesterday actually they had a
few magicians at the end. They came up They're like,
we loved your charisma more than the other people that
came up to us, and they invited me to go
play soccer with them this weekend. I could check when
and where the time, but I get invited to things.
(07:19):
I think for me and the way it is is
my business grows from me being myself, so me being
social always helps. You never know when you go to
an event, right, anyone could be a client. There could
be someone that has something for their party coming up,
someone's engaged, someone's that. There's all kinds of events and
just being in front of them is very important for me.
And by going out more, I increase my chances, my leads.
(07:40):
And then when I do my show is I usually
get a lot of repeats because of what I'm able
to accomplish in that time.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
With them, and even talking about what you're doing now
with other magicians present, how competitive is that? Like is
everybody cool or is it more like Josh ain't all
that Well.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
There's the people that say, hey, Josh, like I'm like
thankful that my resume like has like a very big presence.
You know, someone says Josh and all that, and then
they see, you know, the names that I performed for
the TV appearances. Then they kind of they start to
hold themselves back from comments like that because they probably
are trying to do things like that, and now they're like, oh,
but how does he do that. I think when I
(08:19):
first started, when I came back from Italy, I maybe
it was the wrong group of magicians but the very
few that I interacted with at the time weren't very
open to me wanting to talk magic. I wasn't asking
them for secrets or how to do tricks. I was
just interested in just talking, just like a subject. And
they were very mean to me, and I think that
kind of threw me away from wanting to meet other magicians.
And I just was like, I'm gonna put my head down,
(08:39):
and I don't like if you tell me I can't
do something, I'm twice as likely going to do it.
I just love doing stuff when people tell me. Now,
like people say I can't wait and see you again. Yeah,
Like if someone if someone says I can do something,
I'm like, yeah, I'll go do it. But if someone
says I can't, I'm like, oh, I'm really gonna go
do it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And from there, I think because I just put my
head down and it started grinding, the magic wasn't quite there.
I mean when I got back from my new one
trick but the business side, I'm like, I'm going meet people,
I'm gonna tell people I do this, I'm gonna sell myself.
I'm gonna push myself. And then the accolades, the resumes,
the videos, the content started coming, and now you know,
now I want people to be to be close with
(09:14):
because I'm starting to get a point where I'm overbooked,
and so if I have two shows, I want to
have friends that I could say, hey, I have a
really good show for you, and I could send you there.
And I've started to make a good number of friends,
and I think with this new show too, I'm gonna
hopefully make some new friends there where we could help
each other feed. Magicians are not very nice in general.
It's not a good industry. Everyone's kind of full of themselves.
It's really easy to remember to think that you're like,
(09:36):
I don't want to curse, but you're the issue because
of the impact you do. But at the end of
the day, that's what you're doing. It's the magic tricks
you're doing. It's not you. And I think a lot
of magicians let that get to their heads and their
egos flow and keep growing over time with that, and
I think it's it's just bad because we could all eat.
There's always going to be more demand than we can supply,
especially because we're such a specific thing, and so by
(09:58):
a by, by working together, there's so much growth. So
I want more magician friends, I want more people. I
want to help them. I want to get more shows
where you can do like.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
A TV show in the making already.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Like yeah, honestly, magicians are like a reality show. It's
not a very interesting one. Like the drama is just boring.
Like I think people would watch and be like that's
just so dumb, Like you're kind of lame, but like
it's just what do you think.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's like the ultimate?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I remember when I was serious, I interviewed Chris Angel
and that was like a really big deal, you know
when that happened. But like being in Vegas and having
like like a residency there, what do you think for
you if you have to think to the future, like
what what do you want?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, that's a really good question. And a lot of
magicians that's their dream to get a residency in Vegas.
And I perform in Vegas every year I go down there.
That's one of my residencies. I have Vegas I do
every year. Miami I usually get to do every year.
In Mexico has been one of the last few years
that I've done. I think that I have a stage show.
You guys haven't seen it, and I'm excited for when
you do come to see it. But I like doing it.
(10:57):
I wouldn't mind a stage show, but I also don't
know how full time I would want a stage show, like,
I don't want to be limited to a city. For me,
I love going to Vegas and performing and then coming
back to New York.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is they're the best money? You think in Vegas or
in my head, it is because I think there.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think because of the product you're offering. The money
can be anywhere, you know, Like there's magicians in New
York City that they pay like venues, like thirty thousand
a month in rent just to do their show twice
a week. And they make that much money that they
can afford like thirty thousands. They're just magicians and they're
paying thirty thousand in rent a month or like, yeah,
(11:33):
it's about thirty I know another guy I know, he
has a deal with a hotel. He pays them five
hundred k a year. To run the show on twice a.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Week, and that is crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So you can do it in New York. It's really
getting the demand, getting the ticket sales, getting the name.
I think you could really do it anywhere. It's all
but that again, like the magic stuff, it just comes
down to business. You could be the best magician in
the world, make no money. You could be a terrible magician. Honestly,
make a couple hundred thousand if you really are good
at the business aspect.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Who's been the most fun?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like, I know people probably ask you this all the time,
but like, what are some memorable experiences that you had,
because you've done a lot of private events.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I think some moments to stick out to me.
Jade and Smith the first time I've did it, two
birthdays of his that were about a year apart. The
first one was cool because in the video he like
he's freaking out so much that he's like smacking the
guy next to him, which is the security guard of
the club. And that security guard ended up becoming one
of my really close friends. And I did like his
sister's His sister had a baby. I did their shower,
(12:32):
so it's kind of cool, like we connected over that moment,
like I freaked out a celebrity and he got to
be the person that got smacked by the celebrity, which
is I mean to some people, that's a very cool moment,
like Jade Smith was smacking me, not you. That stands
out to me. Performing for you stood out, which is
full well it did because because of the timing, because
randomly I'd done Mano before and when I saw you
(12:53):
guys talk about me the next week, that was just
a cool thing to like just randomly wake up to
you Like Dan's like, hey, we talked about in the
show and I'm like, yeah, what are you're saying? And
I was like wait, this is like amazing because I
you know, I I don't know like how many of
my friends, like a lot of my friends love you,
but I don't know how much of the people throughout
my life. And I had people like from high school,
like I haven't talked to them in years cause I
(13:14):
haven't really seen them in high school. They're like Angela
yee saying that's insane. And I'm getting text from like
high school people because angelaie like Eve like my magic
and I was like that's just a cool thing, like
I haven't had anyone. I didn't have anyone. I don't
think I've had anyone from high school. TXT me about
any of the other names like that. So that's that's
a unique one we're talking about. Yeah, another one would
(13:34):
be Saquon Barkley's huge right now. I have a video
of him saying Josh is the best magician there is
and that's right after I did a trick for him
and his mother.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's why them of the magicians don't like you.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't know if they've seen that click yet, but
that one was good because it was It was a
great trick. It's one of my best ones. I think
it gets a really powerful impact. And you know I
did that with him in front of I did it
for his mother, So not only is it a good trick,
I'm doing it for his mom. And he literally stood
up and ran away if he walked away, and then
he came back and with all of his success, congrats
to him. You know, that's always a good clip, right
(14:06):
when with magic, it's like if someone that you perform
for is doing really well, you could repurpose that content.
If I have a video that's old with someone and
I repost it when they do something right. If you
or UFC fighter and they win the belt, I post
a video perfect time, if it's their birthday, if they
start a new show, if they do like a really
big achievement like going the way up show, like that's
(14:27):
something worth posting.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'm so good at this.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I have one more question too, and before we get
into some tricks. Yes, do you think anybody can do magic?
Can anybody learn it? Or is it something that you
feel like you know because we've we've all seen tricks
go wrong too, and I'm sure there's people who have
tried it and they just gave up. Do you think
that it's something that anyone can actually become good at?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I firmly believe anyone could be a magician, because
I think there's a big distinction between a magician or
what I do. Because I'm a full time magician. To
do magic full time, that's a wholeness, but that doesn't
come down to the nitty gritty of the magic. That
comes down to everything else, the networking, the business, to
selling yourself on a very hard product to sell. It's
not the most straightforward.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Thing, like how do you get even started? I'm sure
if anybody wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's like where do I Yeah, where do I start?
How do I get shows? How to?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And like you said, it's not easy to get like
a mentor in the business.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And then it's also like you know, when you first
getting started, you tell people what you do, you're a magician.
They're going to ask you, Okay, what if I hire you?
What are you going to do? You don't know, like
how do you explain what you do or how? It's
not the most trivial thing, but in terms of doing tricks,
I think that in my mind, if someone knows a trick,
they're a magician. If you asked me to teach you
a card trick and you learn it and you can
(15:39):
go do it to your wife, your husband, your friends,
you're a magician.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
We can put that in our bio exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, well, well you are already a magician, but we're
going to add to your your.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Toolkit and okay, well let's let's I want there to
be because I know we're on the radio, so we
want to make sure that there's some things we can
do that are visual. But I want to do something
also that people listening can follow along.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I think today. We have two tricks. We have
something mind reading into the mentalism, and then we have
a very fun, magic tricky. Cool thing about this magic
trick is that everyone back home listening can follow along.
So if you're listening right now and you have a
deck of cards on you, take a moment and grab them.
We're going to start with the other tricks. You don't
have to worry, but have a deck ready because this
is going to be a fun trick for you all later.
(16:21):
But before we do that, we're going to get into
a little mind reading mentalism. Okay, and not many people do,
but I do have what women want an envelope that
I brought today, And for the people that can't see,
I'm going to literally dictate it's a white envelope that
says gift, and this is literally a gift for you.
And sometimes when we're doing mind reading, we want to
(16:41):
set that tone, we want to set that imagery up.
So everything I'm going to be saying, a lot of
people can at least picture it at home. They don't
need to necessarily be in the room with us. So
I want you to imagine you're going to go to
look at daily test like a grocery store. Can you
imagine yourself driving to that grocery store, okay, whatever clothes
you might wear, whatever car you might dry, whatever, maybe
(17:01):
trinkets you have in the car. Sometimes people have, like
the air fresheners and the keychains hanging. I don't know
if the word, but you can kind of see all
the little things that describe you. How you customize your
car driving to that grocery store, okay, and imagine how
long that trip is, whether it's a short trip you're
in and out or maybe a little bit of a drive,
depending on where you live. You park your car. It's
a good day, sun is out, it's great. Whether you
(17:22):
have a spot right in the beginning, so you're happy,
you're ready off to a good start. You get out,
you go into that grocery store and you're shopping around
and you're buying maybe food that you like, maybe things
that you have on your list, maybe things you want
to try, something new. And then you're gonna go to
the candy section. You have a sweet tooth this day,
and you don't feel like cookies or chocolate. You want
(17:44):
like some kind of candy, and can we fruity? Maybe
something fruity you have chocolate or fruity, and you're looking
through the candy store, and I want you to visualize
as you're looking at that aisle buying an item. Can
you see that aisle and you see how many options
are there?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Probably hmmm, I'm trying to think what would I want? Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And you remember that item? Okay, and you're gonna pick
it up and you're gonna buy it. Hey, Now what
I'm gonna have you do. I'm gonna have you close
your eyes for a moment, so I want you to
visualize it. So I'm gonna take out the gifts so
she doesn't see. And you picked up that item. Okay.
On the count of three, you're gonna open your eyes
and say that item that you bought. Okay, okay, one, two, three.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Nerds Gummy cluster.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Nerds to everyone back home. I have Nerds gummy clusters.
So you see Nerds gummy clusters. That's good. But we
also have here for those that don't see what I have,
I have ASMR. We have these m and ms. These
m and ms are for you in a moment, and
(18:48):
remember you're going through You're getting Nerds gummy cluster. Is
that your favorite candy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, it just was what I felt like.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay, great, so you'll feel that, you'll grab that. What
other stuff might you grab?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Candy or things?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Other things? Anything?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh? I probably get some ginger beer.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Ginger beer good?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay? What else would I get from the supermarket? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Fresh ginger because I love that. And I have a
juicer at home right now, good and.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Some good things. Juicer is good, fresh stuff. Now again,
we were looking through with Dan earlier, were saying we
need to buy a gift as well. Dan, with me earlier,
had these gifts with you. Do you remember your other gift?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
My other gift, the gift that you needed to remember
you have a gift.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yes, yes, there's one more gift for the audience back home.
Angela picked another gift to add on to the gummy
clusters and the ginger and that and what was the gift?
Say it it was?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it was Swedish fish.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Eminem's. I'm holding eminems, she said, Eminem's. That's autocorrect. I'm
sorry it was Swedish fish.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, okay, we can read now, I'm kidding Swedish fish.
Do you like Swedish fish?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Not really, but it's what I picked on.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The Okay, could you cut your hands for me? Do
you like Eminems? Though? Yeah, that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to rip the m and ms and I'm
going to pour in the Swedish fish in the m
and ms. For those back home, we had Swedish fish
in the m and ms.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Can I eat these?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know what's crazy? I also want to know how
did you manage to have that packaging so it looked
like a fresh pack of Eminem's. It's an Eminem's package.
But when he opened it, all the Swedish fish poured out.
And before we started, he asked me to choose a number.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I choose a random, random.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Number and the number I chose was sixty three and
I was a completely random number.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And it says sweetish fish next to that number. And
here they are. I feel like, if I eat this,
it's good luck? Is it?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's what Dan would say?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Is it Dan?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
They're fresh too and nice and chewed. Did not the
stale taste in one The only only amazing. I'm not
gonna lie because I was like, it's not looking good.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Thank you, thank you. Now we get the fun part
the audience is on their toes. I've got some mind red.
So now we're going to do a trick where everyone
back home, hopefully you have your deck of cards can
join us. Okay, Angela, I have a deck of cards
for you, and I'm also holding a deck of cards.
Now for you, I made it easier. I sorted them
in pairs. Okay, And for anyone back home, all you're
gonna have to do is grab four pairs of cards.
(21:28):
So for example, a pair would be like a two
of hearts and a two of diamonds. Because they're red.
You could choose any four pairs you like, and you
could just drop them onto the table. So everyone back home,
whatever four.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Pairs you like, you know, I gott to pick the queen.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yes, can't pick yourself, but will allow it this time.
And everyone back home, once you have your parents, split
them apart. So for me, I'll make an easy example.
I'm using ace two three four, and I'm using the
other color, the same color, so the hearts and the
diamonds the two, three and four, So you'd want to
split those up. So one pile ace two three four,
and then the other pile would be the opposite the pairs. Yes,
(22:07):
just like that. So once you have your pairs split up,
you can take one one pile, so Ace two, three four,
and you could organize it any way you like, so
however you want to, but make sure you can see
that order. Okay, yep, okay, you want to do it
in that exact order, So just like that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Great, maybe I can switch it up.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
You can switch it up, so that's gonna be there.
When you have one pile in a specific order, make
sure that the other four cards the pairs are in
that same order. So match that up as well.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Hope I'm being a good student.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You are, as long as they're the same. So in
your case, you have Jack two, Queen four and then
Jack to and you could square up those two piles. Okay, right,
and everyone back home, hopefully you're following, and you can
put either one on the other, put one on top
of the other, doesn't matter which one. Now you could
pick that up as well. For those of you back home.
There's this thing in cards or casinos called cutting the cards.
(23:06):
Are you familiar with cutting the car? So what do
you do? You hold it like this in a dealer's grip,
and you could take a chunk of cards and you
can put them to the bottom and just just like that.
That's how we're gonna cut. So you can do as
many cuts as you like, taking a chunk from the
top and putting them in the bottom. Do not shuffler mix.
We're just doing clean cuts.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Perfect okay.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Great. Now what we're gonna do. We're gonna take the
top card and we're gonna put it on the bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now the next one, we're gonna take the top two cards.
We're gonna hold them as one, and we're gonna put
them to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Great. Now we're gonna take the top three cards three okay,
hold them as one hip square that up, okay, and
you can put them anywhere in the middle anywhere you want,
just like that. Great, And now that top card, leave
it aside. That'll be our card forli Great. Now, what
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we're gonna do this is your choice. You could choose
one card, two cards, or three from the top and
that'll be in one pile again okay, and you can
make sure they stay together. You can put them anywhere
in the middle, just like that. Good. Now, that top
card you can replace it with a card in the deck.
(24:26):
So the top card in your hand, you can move
it aside, okay, and you can grab another card from
the deck from your deck right there deck. Yeah, the
cards that were in play, and you just take a
random one and put that on top. Hopefully we didn't
get rid of your partner. Now that we've done that again,
this will be your choice. You can do one card,
two card, or three cards from the top, however many
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you like, and just put them away. We don't want them,
put them put them away somewhere. We'll grab that now.
This is a trick about pairs. And Valentine's Day was
recently Ten's Days about love and romance. So we're gonna
do this. We're gonna take the top card and put
it to the bottom as we spell romance. So what
I mean by that is the top card, we put
it to the bottom, and that'll be the R, and
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then the next card will be the O, and then
the M, and then the A, then the N, then
the C and then the EA. You're kind of forming
this romance and hopefully back home you're falling along now again, partners,
and Valentine's is about romance. It's about love and maybe
for those younger audiences. You might not know this game,
(25:31):
but there's a game called she loves Me. With the
rose petals you pluck them saying she loves me, she
loves me. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna
play that game. When it's she loves me, we put
it to the bottom, and if she loves me not,
we get it rid of it. So we'll start so
she loves me, the top card goes to the bottom. Okay,
she loves me not. We just take the next top
card and put it away, and then we keep going
she loves me, she loves me, not she loves me,
(25:54):
she loves me, not card she loves me, she loves
me not. Well, because we did random number of cards
it was one, two or three, so everyone might run
out earlier or okay, later, but once you keep going
through she loves me, she loves me not. Once you
have one card left, you just leave it with your pile,
and on the count of three, everyone will turn their
cards over. One, two, three, We have a perfect pair. Amazing,
(26:22):
and everyone back home. Whether you did lesser and more cards,
you should also have a pair.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Now, how were people supposed to follow along and do that? Trick.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, well, I was very clear it's in the in
the tricks.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No, but I mean like this will work for anybody.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
They will work for anyone. If you take your cards
and you listen to what I say, then you'll do it.
So again, what we did was we had the four pairs,
so we split up the pairs. So two pile is
basically the same, right my use my example, ace two
three four, So I had one two three four. That
was the order I wanted the first pile. So make
sure your other pile matches one two, three four and square.
(26:57):
Both piles up and then you can put them on top.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
So my cards meshed what your cards were doing. Also,
you in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
In the beginning, the two pairs are in the same order.
So in the first group before your four was the
second card. The second group before it's also the second card.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I want to make sure people do it right. You
also have to know how to spell romance.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yes, but we did it. We did it. We did
it together. So when you play it back, just just listen,
listen and follow along and you'll see each step that
we did.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
The only things everyone might be different is at the
beginning when we were cutting the cards, you might cut once,
someone else might cut a few times, it doesn't matter.
Then the next step we took a card. Everyone followed along.
Then we did two, everyone fall along, then three. Then
I gave choices. So that's why we were off because
I said you could do one, two, or three cards.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So if you did that, thought I messed up. I
don't even understand how this works, you know what I mean? Like,
I know people are like, how does that even happen?
And the second question I have is can you gamble that?
And are you able to? Like?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Are you good at doing that?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Ends on how good my disguise is on the deck.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Because it feels like I don't know is counting cards
part of this or a.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Counting cards is not part of this? But gambling it's
legal to account cards. You just don't want to be
making too much money. Well it's legal, so you can
do it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But they can.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They can. It is their choice. They could, they could
warn you, they could ban you, or they could do
other things.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's crazy. I don't even understand how that worked. I'm
going to have to do some research, you know, me chat, GPT.
Why did this work?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yes? Well, we had a perfect match for you with
me and anyone that followed along. If it didn't work
for you, you're just bad at listening to instructions.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Can I look at the other card?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yes you can, those were the ones you used.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, all right, this looks real.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yes, you could do this with any cards, anyone, back home, whatever,
even if you you know, sometimes I get calls and
people say, hey, can you do a trick on FaceTime?
I'm like sure, and I asked them do you have
a deck of cards? And sometimes people tell me I
don't have any cards. I have Uno cards. If you
have Uno cards, you could also do this trick follow
along the same way. Again, your pairs have to match,
(29:07):
so if you picked a reverse, then the pair would
be the reverse. If you picked a two, the pair
would be the two. So any deck of cards, Uno cards,
playing cards, if you have other card games where you
could make pairs, this trick will also work for you.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Geesh, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I don't even know how that worked, but.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know, how is it when like you're an event
and people are sometimes can be a little drunk and
rambunctious while you're trying, and you know, what I mean, like,
has that ever been an issue?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, I mean you have those groups and you just
kind of make sure you don't do that person privately,
Like I wouldn't want the drunk rambunction of person one
on one, but two, one, three, one four.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
One everybody does can calm it down.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, exactly. But a lot of times, you know, the
drunk person at first, it's just their drunkness acting, it's
not them, and so when they see the trick or
when they're amazed, they're suddenly a big raver. Like I've
had it be like the case where you know, i
might be leaving a club and I'm talking to the
dormant because he's my friend. I'm saying hi, and you
know this group, but like maybe like two girls and
a guy will come out and they're friends with the dormant,
(30:09):
and I'm like, oh, show them something before they leave.
And this happened to me about a week and a
half ago, but this does happen a lot. And I
don't know the guy. I don't know these two girls,
but I'm showing them a trick and guys like she's married,
she's what I'm like, And the dorman is like just
relaxed bro like yeah, because he knows that they're not random.
And I'm like, oh, just let me do the trick.
He's like, well no, no, no, she's gotta go. And there
the girls are like just let him do the thing.
And I do the trick. It's amazing, like do a
do it? Trying to tell the guy to watch a
(30:30):
trick and he's like, nah, I don't want to, blah
blah blah. And then he does a trick and then
he does the trick and he's like, did you see that?
Do it again? Do it now? He's like five minutes later,
he's like he wants to stay. He doesn't want to
go with, he doesn't want them to leave. He's like,
let's do more. Like it's not the person per se,
it's just that's just how magic is perceived. There's not
really a frame of reference for magic, and there's no
(30:52):
such thing as what's good magic, what's bad magic? What
is magic? Like I said, if I come up to
you and I say, hey, I'm a magician, I don't
really know what that means. People usually seen tiktoks or
TV or you know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Editing like where's my wallet?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, that one that one gotta be more sneaky on Yeah,
you just got to show them. I think that's what
I do is I show it very well that what
I'm doing is not whatever you think magic is. And
I actually never say I'm a magician. That's my whole
thing is when I approach someone, I just do it,
and by the time it's done and you've put the
two and two together, you realize that what I did
is fun. It's not whatever would have went in your
head if I had just set I'm a magician, because
(31:25):
that way I get a lot more rejections.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And one last thing I want to ask you, are
there new tricks that you come up with or are
there things that you learned that already exists, or what's
the combination?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Like how do you look everything?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I like to create. I always create new stuff, especially
you know, if as I'm growing my brand right now
and I'm doing a lot of stuff like this, like
you know, I wouldn't want to be doing the same
tricks on radio and podcasts and TV. I also don't
want to be doing my generic ones. I also don't
want to be doing ones I always do, so I
try to come up with something cool, something fun, something
that would really enjoy for the team. I come up
(31:58):
with well stuff, I tweak old things, things, I add
in things at times like I might be impromptu, you know,
like yesterday, I have a trick that's one of my
regulars is where I make the cards disappear. And I'm
going around a room when I'm doing that trick, and
then I this one girl just had her phone so open.
I stole it and then I pulled it out of
her friend's here as a joke. I was like, hey,
look behind her ear, and they're thinking I'm joking. I'm like, oh,
(32:20):
it's your phone. And then I'm doing the trick. And
then I took and then and I really just do
that as a joke, but this time I took it
again and I was like, oh, look it's back there.
So then from my mind was like when I got
to the point where I'm doing a trick where the
cards disappeared, I was like, what if I take her
phone a third time? Because now I can make a
joke like do you know where they went? And they're like, no,
where are the cards? And they point to her like,
oh are they behind there? I'm like, yeah, oh no,
(32:41):
it's your phone again and like, wait what? So I
threw in like a little gag a joke into that trick,
which made it a new trick. It's fun. I'm not
necessarily gonna be doing it that way all the time,
but it was fun.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's kind of like being a stand up. Yeah, like
you adapted the crowd.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think my magic's very you know, the equivalent of
like crowd work and common would be what I do.
I'm very imprompt too. I don't plan a lot of
my things. I don't know what I'm going to do
or say. I might know the tricks, I don't know
how I'm going to present them. I feel it for
the crowd. Younger crowds that might be more jokes, more flirty,
older crowds that might be straight to the point or
less talking. Maybe they can't hear, or maybe they just
wouldn't understand if I'm joking. So I just wanted a confusion.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, I saw the mom where it turns into a
goldfish where you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, that's the one said I'm the best for it.
Oh wow, he ran away.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
He ran away for that? What happens to the goldfish.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I have an aquarium at home, so I have a tank.
People are like, oh, that's in I'm like, he's a
he works for me, he's ten ninety nine. You know,
we're good.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know what, since we said stand up comedy, what
about stealing tricks? I know that's a thing with comedians
where people steal jokes, but what about stealing tricks?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean, you're going to see overlap with that depends
I think that if you're going to steal a trick,
it depends on what the trick is, because in magic,
it's really hard to prove something's yours. It's almost impossible.
Like if I create a trick and then you steal it,
it's almost impossible for me to sue you because it's very,
very hard to prove that that trick is originally mine.
(34:07):
The intellectual property on a magic trick, it's there's only
like one case in history of magic tricks someone winning
an IP claim, and it's very difficult because everything does
come down to the fact that the basics, like the
very fundamentals of it, goes back hundreds of thousands, if
not thousands years.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Magic is very old, been around forever.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's kind of like something that, like you said, no
matter what language you speak, even if you don't speak
a language. It's something that people can like look and
still be in awe of, even if they can't understand
what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, exactly, And they're even like some people their whole
job is their magic inventors, which means they're magicians that
they don't perform. They like they're very creative people. They
create magic tricks and then sell them to other magicians.
They're like, I created this, buy it for me for
this price, and you could have it. You could have
the trick and how it works and all the instant
(34:57):
and like some of these are really good magicians flock
to it, and so you might find a lot of
magicians doing the same trick. Sometimes it's just a trick
that's historic, everyone knows it. Sometimes it's that's just the
hottest thing on the market. Magicians are terrible window shoppers.
Like you bring a magician to like a convention, and
they're going to spend so much money on tricks because
the idea is like, oh, this is so good, I'm good,
(35:19):
I love this trick, I'm going to use it. I'm
going to do it. And then you have a bookshelf
of tricks that you haven't even opened, Like they're in
the box, you've never even touched them. You get this,
which is why I stay away from magic shops and
as much as I can, I sometimes need to if
I need refills or stuff. But that's why I prefer
to make my own stuff, because I will go down
a very bad spending spree and I don't have the
(35:39):
space for all these things. Like I see things, I'm like,
this is so good, this is great, but this much
money and I'm probably not going to use it for
a year. I don't. I don't know even if I
use it a month from now, that's already not.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Who would have ever thought of all this?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And who would have ever thought you would have went
from playing professional soccer to being a magician and a mentalist.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I literally spent my whole life and my family making
their whole lives.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Catered around because that's not easy.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Well, my whole life went and like the whole family
was completely invested in everything they did to train and
prepare my legs for me to end up having a
career that's very focused on my hands. I'd never honed
in on football or basketball, or baseball or lacrosse, Like
no handsports. It was soccer only. Everything every all the
money we had was spent towards training and programs and diets.
(36:27):
And then now I make money with it.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
What did they think when you first told them this
is what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, it was right before COVID, so as the interest peak,
COVID hit. So now I'm in my house just spending
all day doing like random stuff. The only thing I
really could do is like social media work. Now I
do virtual shows and I you know, I have companies
call me when they have like, you know, say, a
team where some of the people are scattered, a zoom
call and I do a full show virtual magic. I
(36:53):
mean radio stuff is the hardest magic for sure because
the visual plays a pack.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
But I mean, but we do have a YouTube channel
way up.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
With you, so you could yeah, and I think that,
you know. Then I was just doing all this stuff
and my parents like, why are you wasting your time?
Like there's nothing that I don't really have anything else
to do. It's COVID, Like what am I gonna do? Right?
But they're like, why are you wasting your time?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
This and not.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But then the checks started coming in, and then they
started getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and now they
just they just they just they just don't even ask.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well, it looks like the cards lined up.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, it's always good. My job's easy. No, my job's easy.
You see. I get all the credit. But you're the magician.
You did that yourself. I didn't touch your cards. You
did the trick. It worked, so I basically took credit
for all your magic. So thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You're a good mentalist. Well, thank you so much. And
how can people follow you?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You can find me. I'm Josh palet Magic, Josh P.
E l E. Magic. You can find my website Josh
Palemagic dot com. You can find my instagram, my YouTube,
and you could watch this show on YouTube because you're
definitely gonna want to watch it back and try the
trick with your family, your friends and anyone else and maians.
And then when you go on a date for anyone
that's single and you show them this trick, you'll probably
(37:59):
get a second.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So unless you don't follow directions.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Unless you do, but if you don't follow directions, it's
very unlikely someone would want and second day. Anyway, that's
a whole other new ones.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
All right, Well, thank you so much. It's way up
at Angela y Josh Pelly Magic
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Way Up.
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