May 11, 2026 • 10 mins
It's the first ever Weird Little Guys emergency broadcast! A weird little guy has filed a lawsuit against another weird little guy.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media. Hello everyone, Molly here with our first
ever Weird Little Guys emergency minisode. You know I don't
like current events. I was just telling you a few
(00:21):
weeks ago what a relief it's been working on this
show that I don't have to deal with the stress
of breaking news. I can work current events into my
narrative flow when the time is right in the history,
I'm trying to write whatever I did say that. But
here's the thing. I couldn't wait this time. It's too funny.
(00:44):
I have to tell you this right now, and it
actually fits in perfectly with the subject of this week's
regular episode, because that's how I found it. I was
doing my due diligence researching for the episode you'll hear
in a few days when I found something extremely unexpected.
(01:05):
A Weird Little Guy has filed a new lawsuit, and
the lawsuit is against another Weird little Guy. This is
one of my favorite things. It doesn't happen very often,
but it's always so special. So this week I was
(01:26):
getting my notes together to write about the President's claim
that the Unite the Right rally was a hoax perpetrated
entirely by the Southern poverty Law Center, So as part
of my process, I popped over to PACER, the public
access site for federal court documents. We'll explore this more
fully in the regular episode, but the Department of Justice
(01:46):
recently indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center, alleging they engaged
in wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering in
their dealings with paid sources within various hate groups. The
government seems to want you to believe that paying sources
for information means that the Southern Poverty Law Center was
actually funneling their donor money into those hate groups for
(02:09):
the purpose of manufacturing racist violence to justify their own existence.
It's very stupid, and we'll talk about it later. But
one of those paid sources described in the indictment is
Field Source thirty seven F thirty seven for short, and
according to the indictment, F thirty seven was involved in
(02:31):
planning the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in twenty seventeen.
The indictment alleges that F thirty seven was paid two
hundred and seventy thousand dollars between twenty fifteen and twenty
twenty three, but the brief paragraph about F thirty seven
only describes the sources activities in the summer of twenty seventeen,
(02:53):
and naturally, I'm very curious about who this could be,
and I know a lot of the guys it could
be are extremely anxious to find out who it really was.
The finger pointing and speculation in their circles has been
a very fun read for me, and that's something we'll
(03:13):
touch on in a regular episode. But there's another group
of people who might be very interested to find out
who got that money. The victims several people who were
injured at the Unite the Right rally won a civil
lawsuit against the rallies organizers. They're owed millions of dollars
(03:36):
in damages and it hasn't been paid. So if someone
who helped organize that rally has a quarter of a
million dollars that nobody knew about, well, that would be
legally relevant to some people, wouldn't it. Now. Of course,
it very well could be that the paid source was
(03:58):
involved in organizing the rally in the manner of the
government alleges in that indictment, but that the source wasn't
one of the defendants in the lawsuit. Right, those things
can both be true, But I went to go dig
around in the federal court filings just to see if
anybody was making moves, you know, check all my boxes,
(04:18):
cover all my bases. Maybe someone who was involved in
that lawsuit on either side is curious about what's going
on here, and maybe they filed something. But I didn't
see any new filings in that old lawsuit or in
any of the appeals related to it. They're all still closed,
sitting quietly accumulating interest on that unpaid judgment. So I
(04:42):
didn't find what I was looking for, but I found
something I wasn't looking for. There is something new under
one of the names I was searching for. So when
I went to pacer, the party I searched for was
the lead defendant in that lawsuit against the rallies organizers.
I searched for lawsuits involving Jason Kessler, and there he
(05:08):
was in my search results. As I expected, it pulled
up a bunch of familiar old lawsuits and what I
hadn't seen before, Jason Kessler has filed a lawsuit against
Gavin McGinnis. Jason Kessler was the man who got the
permit for the Unite the Right rally in the first place.
(05:30):
He was the local loser who thought organizing a big
rally in his hometown would make him a star, only
to end up taking the lion's share of the blame
for the mess that he made and the woman who
got killed. And now he's suing Gavin McGinnis, the founder
of the Proud Boys. It's easy to forget now so
(05:52):
many years later, but back in twenty seventeen, Gavin McGinnis
was still in charge of the Proud Boys and he
didn't attend the Unite the Right rally. Do you, absolutely,
underno circumstances, have to give it up to Gavin fucking McGinness.
But it's true that in twenty seventeen he did spot
from a mile away that that rally was going to
(06:15):
be a mess, and he not only didn't attend, but
he disavowted ahead of time and said that Proud Boys
should not attend. Was a different time they used to
try to keep their distance from a swastika, And just
as an aside, I think it's worth noting here that
Enrique Tario was already a member of the Proud Boys
(06:38):
back then, and he ignored Gavin McGinnis's order to stay away.
He did attend the Nazi rally. But now in the
wake of the indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center,
Gavin McGinnis feels vindicated. He thinks that this is proof
that the whole rally was a trap to begin with,
or at least that's what he's saying in public on
(07:00):
his social media, on his own podcast, in appearances on
other people's podcasts, he's saying that maybe Field Source thirty
seven was Jason Kessler, and that the whole rally was
a setup orchestrated by the Southern Poverty Law Center, organized
by that paid informant. Now, for the record, he's wrong
(07:22):
about all of that. It's just not possible. The facts
don't fit. F thirty seven wasn't Jason Kessler. I don't
know who it was, but it couldn't have been Jason
Kessler if the facts in the indictment are correct. The
payments to F thirty seven started in twenty fifteen, and
Kessler wasn't anything to anybody until the summer of twenty seventeen.
(07:46):
Because that rally was his entry into the scene, that
was his ticket to relevance. The SPLC wouldn't have heard
of him or had any reason to pay him for
information any earlier than twenty seventeen, so he's not f
thirty seven. But Gavin McGinnis is saying that he was.
(08:07):
According to Jason Kessler's complaint, McGinnis said, among a variety
of other things, quote, I'm ninety five percent sure that
Jason was getting SPLC money. But again, that's just my theory,
and I'm basing it strictly, almost exclusively on vibes end quote.
(08:28):
The defamation complaint is a mess. Jason doesn't have a lawyer.
Gavin does, but it's Mark Randazza. Jason Kessler has already
filed the motion asking the court to refuse to admit Randazza,
citing Rendzza's very real history of discipline from other state
bar associations and some alleged threatening statements he made in
(08:51):
a conversation they had leading up to this lawsuit. I
suspect that Gavin is going to say vibes based assessments
aren't actionable in defamation claim, and Jason is already arguing
that he's not a public figure for the purposes of defamation.
I suspect they may both come to discover their mistaken
(09:12):
I just wish it were possible for everyone involved to
lose a lawsuit. It's gonna be a huge mess, and
I've got my docket alerts on for this one. Weird
(09:38):
Little Guys is a production of Coolshie Media and iHeartRadio.
It's researched, written and recorded by me, Molly Conger. Our
executive producers are Sophielectre Men and Robert Evans. The show
is edited by the wildly talented Glory Gagan. The theme
music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email me
at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com. I
will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.
It's nothing personal. Gange conspiracy theories about the show with
(10:01):
other listeners on the Weird Little Guys subreddit. Just don't
post anything that's going to make you one of my
Weird Little Guys.
Cool Zone Media. Hello everyone, Molly here with our first
ever Weird Little Guys emergency minisode. You know I don't
like current events. I was just telling you a few
(00:21):
weeks ago what a relief it's been working on this
show that I don't have to deal with the stress
of breaking news. I can work current events into my
narrative flow when the time is right in the history,
I'm trying to write whatever I did say that. But
here's the thing. I couldn't wait this time. It's too funny.
(00:44):
I have to tell you this right now, and it
actually fits in perfectly with the subject of this week's
regular episode, because that's how I found it. I was
doing my due diligence researching for the episode you'll hear
in a few days when I found something extremely unexpected.
(01:05):
A Weird Little Guy has filed a new lawsuit, and
the lawsuit is against another Weird little Guy. This is
one of my favorite things. It doesn't happen very often,
but it's always so special. So this week I was
(01:26):
getting my notes together to write about the President's claim
that the Unite the Right rally was a hoax perpetrated
entirely by the Southern poverty Law Center, So as part
of my process, I popped over to PACER, the public
access site for federal court documents. We'll explore this more
fully in the regular episode, but the Department of Justice
(01:46):
recently indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center, alleging they engaged
in wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering in
their dealings with paid sources within various hate groups. The
government seems to want you to believe that paying sources
for information means that the Southern Poverty Law Center was
actually funneling their donor money into those hate groups for
(02:09):
the purpose of manufacturing racist violence to justify their own existence.
It's very stupid, and we'll talk about it later. But
one of those paid sources described in the indictment is
Field Source thirty seven F thirty seven for short, and
according to the indictment, F thirty seven was involved in
(02:31):
planning the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in twenty seventeen.
The indictment alleges that F thirty seven was paid two
hundred and seventy thousand dollars between twenty fifteen and twenty
twenty three, but the brief paragraph about F thirty seven
only describes the sources activities in the summer of twenty seventeen,
(02:53):
and naturally, I'm very curious about who this could be,
and I know a lot of the guys it could
be are extremely anxious to find out who it really was.
The finger pointing and speculation in their circles has been
a very fun read for me, and that's something we'll
(03:13):
touch on in a regular episode. But there's another group
of people who might be very interested to find out
who got that money. The victims several people who were
injured at the Unite the Right rally won a civil
lawsuit against the rallies organizers. They're owed millions of dollars
(03:36):
in damages and it hasn't been paid. So if someone
who helped organize that rally has a quarter of a
million dollars that nobody knew about, well, that would be
legally relevant to some people, wouldn't it. Now. Of course,
it very well could be that the paid source was
(03:58):
involved in organizing the rally in the manner of the
government alleges in that indictment, but that the source wasn't
one of the defendants in the lawsuit. Right, those things
can both be true, But I went to go dig
around in the federal court filings just to see if
anybody was making moves, you know, check all my boxes,
(04:18):
cover all my bases. Maybe someone who was involved in
that lawsuit on either side is curious about what's going
on here, and maybe they filed something. But I didn't
see any new filings in that old lawsuit or in
any of the appeals related to it. They're all still closed,
sitting quietly accumulating interest on that unpaid judgment. So I
(04:42):
didn't find what I was looking for, but I found
something I wasn't looking for. There is something new under
one of the names I was searching for. So when
I went to pacer, the party I searched for was
the lead defendant in that lawsuit against the rallies organizers.
I searched for lawsuits involving Jason Kessler, and there he
(05:08):
was in my search results. As I expected, it pulled
up a bunch of familiar old lawsuits and what I
hadn't seen before, Jason Kessler has filed a lawsuit against
Gavin McGinnis. Jason Kessler was the man who got the
permit for the Unite the Right rally in the first place.
(05:30):
He was the local loser who thought organizing a big
rally in his hometown would make him a star, only
to end up taking the lion's share of the blame
for the mess that he made and the woman who
got killed. And now he's suing Gavin McGinnis, the founder
of the Proud Boys. It's easy to forget now so
(05:52):
many years later, but back in twenty seventeen, Gavin McGinnis
was still in charge of the Proud Boys and he
didn't attend the Unite the Right rally. Do you, absolutely,
underno circumstances, have to give it up to Gavin fucking McGinness.
But it's true that in twenty seventeen he did spot
from a mile away that that rally was going to
(06:15):
be a mess, and he not only didn't attend, but
he disavowted ahead of time and said that Proud Boys
should not attend. Was a different time they used to
try to keep their distance from a swastika, And just
as an aside, I think it's worth noting here that
Enrique Tario was already a member of the Proud Boys
(06:38):
back then, and he ignored Gavin McGinnis's order to stay away.
He did attend the Nazi rally. But now in the
wake of the indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center,
Gavin McGinnis feels vindicated. He thinks that this is proof
that the whole rally was a trap to begin with,
or at least that's what he's saying in public on
(07:00):
his social media, on his own podcast, in appearances on
other people's podcasts, he's saying that maybe Field Source thirty
seven was Jason Kessler, and that the whole rally was
a setup orchestrated by the Southern Poverty Law Center, organized
by that paid informant. Now, for the record, he's wrong
(07:22):
about all of that. It's just not possible. The facts
don't fit. F thirty seven wasn't Jason Kessler. I don't
know who it was, but it couldn't have been Jason
Kessler if the facts in the indictment are correct. The
payments to F thirty seven started in twenty fifteen, and
Kessler wasn't anything to anybody until the summer of twenty seventeen.
(07:46):
Because that rally was his entry into the scene, that
was his ticket to relevance. The SPLC wouldn't have heard
of him or had any reason to pay him for
information any earlier than twenty seventeen, so he's not f
thirty seven. But Gavin McGinnis is saying that he was.
(08:07):
According to Jason Kessler's complaint, McGinnis said, among a variety
of other things, quote, I'm ninety five percent sure that
Jason was getting SPLC money. But again, that's just my theory,
and I'm basing it strictly, almost exclusively on vibes end quote.
(08:28):
The defamation complaint is a mess. Jason doesn't have a lawyer.
Gavin does, but it's Mark Randazza. Jason Kessler has already
filed the motion asking the court to refuse to admit Randazza,
citing Rendzza's very real history of discipline from other state
bar associations and some alleged threatening statements he made in
(08:51):
a conversation they had leading up to this lawsuit. I
suspect that Gavin is going to say vibes based assessments
aren't actionable in defamation claim, and Jason is already arguing
that he's not a public figure for the purposes of defamation.
I suspect they may both come to discover their mistaken
(09:12):
I just wish it were possible for everyone involved to
lose a lawsuit. It's gonna be a huge mess, and
I've got my docket alerts on for this one. Weird
(09:38):
Little Guys is a production of Coolshie Media and iHeartRadio.
It's researched, written and recorded by me, Molly Conger. Our
executive producers are Sophielectre Men and Robert Evans. The show
is edited by the wildly talented Glory Gagan. The theme
music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email me
at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com. I
will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.
It's nothing personal. Gange conspiracy theories about the show with
(10:01):
other listeners on the Weird Little Guys subreddit. Just don't
post anything that's going to make you one of my
Weird Little Guys.
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