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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Wellness sun masks. I'm doctor Nicole Sapphire and
this is your weekly rundown Well Today, I want to
update you on something that kind of went viral this week.
My old friend and colleague from Fox New's Secretary of War,
Pete Hegseth. He made a big announcement announcing that the
Pentagon will no longer require the annual flu vaccine for
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military service members. Now, this mandate has been in place
for decades upon decades upon decades. Remember Spanish influenza, Yeah,
it was a thing as pretty much since we have
the flu vaccine, military mandated to get it, kind of
like doctors were. Now, anytime the government removes a medical mandate,
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especially in the military, it's going to spark some strong reactions.
Some we'll call it a win for medical autonomy. Others
will say it puts readiness at risk and as usual.
The truth, it's definitely somewhere in between and more nuanced
than that. So let's start with some facts. Influenza is
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not the same threat to a twenty two year old
marine as it is to an eighty two year old
nursing home resident with heart failure. It's just not and
in a typical flu season, The CITC estimates millions of illnesses,
hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations, and tens of thousands of debts.
But the overwhelming majority of severe outcomes occur in older
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adults and very young children, pregnant women, and those with
chronic disease and immune deficiencies like cancer patients. The military population,
generally speaking, is younger, healthier, and undergo intense medical screening.
That's why I've long believed that medicine should move towards
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more of risk based recommendations rather than one size fits all.
Now I've kind of personally believed this for a while,
I became a little bit more vocal about it publicly
during COVID. Now, not every healthy young adult carries the
same risk profile as someone with diabetes, asthma, obesity, or
immuses oppression. You have to remember a lot of our
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quote unquote healthy young adults are living with some of
these metabolic disorders because healthy young adults today are not
what they were a couple of decades ago. The reality is,
in the United States, we have a lot of chronic illness.
But remember, in addition to that, so we are already
are saying that risk is not the same. So one
twenty six year old male is not the same as
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another twenty six year old male.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
They're different.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But on the flip side of that, when we're actually
talking about the flu vaccine, it is.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Far from perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's not like your measles vaccine where it has a
very high efficacy of preventing illness. No, no, no, flu
vaccine actually has less than fifty percent chance of preventing illness.
The effectiveness of the flu vaccine varies dramatically, and every
single year, the effectiveness changes because it depends on how
well they were able to predict which flu virus. You know,
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which type of subtype of the virus influenza is circulating,
and really it is a guess and that's the best
we can do. Over the last decade, effectiveness has ranged
anywhere from nineteen percent yes, less than twenty percent to
over fifty percent in better years, So about fifty percent
that's considered a good flu vaccine match. It usually lands
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somewhere between thirty and forty percent. So that said this conversation,
we can't just limit it to mortality alone. When we
talk about the flu vaccine, do we want it to
prevent deaths. Absolutely, it prevents the most amount of deaths
and the people who are most vulnerable, like the elderly
and the very young children and the pregnant women. But
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we also are talking about flu burden, and that's where
I want to kind of get into a little bit
more of a detailed discussion, especially when it comes to
our military. Because from the mill military, does the flu
vaccine every single year save a ton of lives?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Probably not? But what does it do to the flu burden?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
This is all about talking about our operational readiness. Even
if a young service member is unlikely to die from influenza,
getting six still matters. The flu can knock someone out
for days, for some people, even weeks, and it can
spread rapidly, especially in close quarters like barracks, ships, training facilities,
and deployment settings. One outbreak on an aircraft carrier, military base,
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or during active training exercises, it can sideline dozens or
even hundreds of personnel and that can have real consequences.
Every mistraining day, every grounded pilot, every delayed deployment, every
medical visit. It all affects force readiness. We saw this
play out during past respiratory outbreaks where illness spread quickly
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in congregate settings. There's also a broader concern here. If
flu mandates are removed, does that signal a y shift
in military vaccine policy? Will other immunization requirements be reevaluated?
And how do and this is my question, how do
military leaders balance individual autonomy with the reality that service
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often requires personal sacrifice for collective mission success. Now these
are fair questions, and they deserve data driven answers, not
just political talking points. Personally, I think risk based vaccination strategies.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Are worth exploring.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Focus on those in higher risk roles, those deploying to
vulnerable environments, health care personnel, and service members with underlying
medical conditions. I say healthcare personnel, but even when it
comes to doctors and people working in the hospitals, I
think the flu vaccine mandates sometimes go a little bit
too far. I think we need to have more of
a conversation there. We have to be honest, we will
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not know whether this policy change when it comes to
the Department of War will help her or really just
make little difference until we have real world outcomes.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Next season.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Do we see more flu cases amongst our military members?
I can't imagine that the death rates are going to change,
must as I expect that there are few to none
every single year. But I do wonder how it affects
overall readiness because okay, so maybe hospitalization rates and death
rates won't change next year if we have lower uptake
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of flu vaccine in our military personnel, But what does
it do for people.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Who have to call out sick that day?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Because the flu vaccine does shorten illness duration and it
does prevent doctor's visits in a lot of these instances.
So maybe if they had the vaccine, they were out
one to two days. If they don't have the vaccine,
they're out three to five days, maybe even more.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So was there any effect?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I really hope that there's data collection happening because this
will be interesting to see. This is a big experiment,
So I think, you know, I don't know if we
should do away with all vaccines in our military to personnel.
There's some pretty bad diseases that our military are subjected
to as they travel all throughout this world, but I
think the flu vaccine is one that's worth having that
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conversation about. So I don't know if I'm for or
against this move. I approach it with caution, and I
really hope that they're put together some data so that
we can evaluate next year to see what sort of
outcome this has. Did influenza cases rise, did hospitalizations increase,
did readiness decline that would be a terrible thing for
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our national security, or did nothing, meaning flea change. That's
what we should be watching, because good health policy shouldn't
be driven by ideology or people trying to get political
talking points. It should be driven by evidence. So we'll
see next year after flu season what effect this has.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'm doctor Nicole Saffire.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Thanks so much for listening to Wellness on MASS. Be
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