May 6, 2026 • 27 mins
Jana is live from the set of her next movie and she's hanging out with her co-star Tammin Sursok!
You know Tammin as Jenna from Pretty Little Liars, but did you know that Jana also auditioned for that role?? While catching up, we explore what life may have been like if Jana had been in the PLL-verse.
Jana and Tammin bond over the experience of dealing with constant rejection as an actor, and the pressure of having your body scrutinized.
Plus, Tammin shares why Jana's project felt the perfect creative opportunity@
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
so I'm so excited because this week's special guest We've
got tamis.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So excited to be here. Sisters.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We are in San Antonio right now. We are filming
Love Song for my Texas Ranger.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I think they're going to keep this.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I did a movie called Love and Penguins Okay Ivan Penguin, No,
and my My Mommy's Secret, My Mommy's Secrets, Renymoirs, Mommy's
Mommy Scary Secrets.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's so funny because I feel like these days, titles
just keep getting longer and longer and stronger and so Originally,
if I'm honest with you, and I love Robin who
wrote wrote the script. She's you know, she's first day
ding on the movie too, and she's a producer. She's amazing.
But when I first read the title, I was just like, oh, like,
(00:57):
I don't know if this is going to be any
good And then I wat it like, Okay, this is
super cute, but I wish it could just be I
wish it could be shorter.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, like love song. Right listen, I'm not but they're
not a titleist.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But does that really lend to what the story is
not really no, like love.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The thing about them, like films, is you have to
kind of give it away in the title.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, like gas lit by my husband. It couldn't just
it couldn't just be gas lit, you know, like it
couldn't just be a gas lit by.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
My husband.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes, exactly. The other one that comes out soon is
where the Heart, Where the Heart lands or something. Yeah,
that's a little that's.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
A little confusing because we don't know where that heart's
gonna land exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah. But how are you happy to be here in
San Antonio? No? No, no, truly though, because it's this
is this is a smaller budget film. You're obviously used
to higher budgets. Why did you say yes? And how
much fun have you been having?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do you want? For truth?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I want to be absolute truth, because I will say
I mean, listen, we've been we've been friends. We met
so Tamin and I met at an event for Johnson
and Johnson back in I think I was pregnant with Jayce.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So it was a long obviously long time ago, and
I just thought she was really sweet. I went up
and just like introduced myself to you.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You did. You came up and you were like, Hi,
my name's Jianna Kramer, and I was like, who is
this bach? And you were so cute too, and I
was like, I can't be fear of friends with cute people.
Take away my thunder No, you were amazing. And then
I also thought, you know, we live in the same
place eight minutes I don't know eight or two.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, we live about eight minutes away, and we've seen
each other one time in four years.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
In four years, but you do invite me over a lot,
you know. And I do think that I have probably insecurity,
like we all do, and especially being friends with people
in the business. I find it. I think you're better
at that. It's the sagin you, you know. I find
like for me, I sometimes get insecure about having friends
in the business because your part of you is I
(03:11):
don't want to ask you about this part of you
is so proud of the people in your life, and
then this sometimes part of you that goes, oh shit,
why did I don't get that?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Do you ever feel that, like role wise?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah? Sometimes do you ever feel like you're up for
something with someone who's in your circle? And it's hard
to be friends with people like that, so like you're
competing against them, but it stills like that niggling, like.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Hmm, okay, so I totally I totally know what you're saying.
I think, like, for example, I've auditioned for parts that
you I mean you, I audition for the blind Girl
in pretty much you an audition for that part, right,
but like you know, I auditioned for Jenna and I
obviously didn't get it. You got it. Now we're friends.
I wouldn't I wouldn't not be friends with you because no, no, no, no,
(03:53):
no no. But but well, what I will say is
I think it's any time I ever see one of
my actress friends get a role, I'm happy, But it's
not if the zinger is more like I want to
be working. So it's the jealousy of wanting to work,
not jealous of like you booking a role like the
you know, one of the girls that I had tested
(04:14):
for another show she ended up getting it. I yeah,
do I want to be the one on the horse
right now, you know doing that show off thousand percent?
I wasn't jealous, Yes I was jealous, but not I
was more it's more an internal thing not I don't
want to not be friends with her because of it,
but it's just like, man, like I want that I
(04:34):
wanted that show, but I also know there'll be an
opportunity for me to have a different show. And I
think you and I were alike, but we're different, Like
I feel like you go more comedy with things. But
even if we were up for something like, I would
so celebrate the fact I know now every role is
totally meant to be for in that time and place
in my life, Like if I didn't get this role,
(04:57):
and then I wouldn't have gotten the role of montre Hill,
you know. So I think there's so many things where
I just say, like I can just kind of give
it up and give it away.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But you ever feel like because I feel my whole life,
I've always been the underdog.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
One hundred way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I feel like I'm literally fighting for everything, and then
people can take a step back look at my life
and go, what do you mean? Like You've done so
many things and your life looks a certain way, and
it stuff the highlight reel that we put up. But
I feel like I'm always fighting one percent.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I feel like I've never in the first bag I'm always.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
The first girl.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'm like oo passed. But I will say though, I
did see your your video that you posted and it
went absolutely viral. I mean Jay Low commented on it.
Jennifer Garner, I mean, so many these comments see movies.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I know, like, don't call it, give me something.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
But you had tested for something and you basically were
told that it was yours, and then you got the
call as a TV show in Australia and you got
the call that it ended up you didn't get it,
and you posted as really raw and vulnerable, and it's
like every actor knows. I mean I cried for a
week with this last show that I didn't get. I
mean I didn't, you know, I obviously got up, had
to parent, but like I was depressed for a good
(06:05):
week of it because it's like it's right there, you
could like touch it and taste it basically, and then
it's just ripped. And being an actor is so hard.
No one understands that. And you expressed it, yeah, just
about that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was one of those moments where you know, I've
been so close to certain things and gotten things and
haven't gotten things, but this was the closest I'd been
to another series regular on a show that I was
actually able. I'm from Australia, so I was able to
shoot name my parents. My dad's not well, so it's
like I was able to go shoot there for four
months and then be the lead of a show with paramount.
So it's like it's like the perfect synergy, right, so
(06:41):
I get to be with my family and be on
the show. The casting director told my manager that they
were like, the other girl's not going to get it.
She was far superior. So I was like, this is man,
you know, Like I was like googling, like where am
I going to stay on the go cost in Australia?
Like who what schools are my kids going to go to?
It got that deep. I didn't actually think there was
the expectation, which is always been my issue. I didn't
(07:01):
think that there was something on the other side of
the expectation of not getting Like I didn't think that
was possible. So the first two seconds the manager, my
manager said, hey, I knew it's always that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The minute they call you, yeah, and I knew it
wasn't gonna happen wor car.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was just gonna video from my stories. But I
thought effort. I'm going to put it up because it's honest,
it's real, and I think a lot of people know
what rejection feels like in any job and in any way.
So I put it up and I didn't expect it
to go like that. But at the end of the day,
I think we all have that universal feeling of what
it's like to be rejected. It doesn't even have to
be in career stuff. It can just be in life
(07:37):
for relationships, like we get so close and then it's
not ours, it's not ours, it's not ours. But I
think actors do get a lot more rejected than any
other job. And yet oh I still keep going. But
my quote that I use right now, which sounds as
a little snarky, it's not meant to is I can
hold on longer than you, and it's not meant to
be like against an actual human. But it's like, I
do believe that if you stay in as long as
(07:59):
you can in the game, yeah, and you are at
least semi talented.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Right right, right, right, then I think that it's people
who stay in like eventually, that's what I keep saying.
I'm like, it's been ten years, I've been fighting to
get back on a TV show. But eventually, if I
don't quit, I will get on a show. And I
do believe that, Like I.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Believe that too for you.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But I think, like after seeing that video, you know,
and I knew this movie was happening, and I'm like, oh,
she probably won't. I mean, I know, you know what
your quote and all the things, but I'm like maybe,
I'm like, I'm just gonna text you and see. But now,
obviously you'd want to be doing that show right now,
but it has been the experience is that we would
never have been we've never been been doing this, and
(08:39):
we never know what's going to come from you never
you never know what's going to come from something else,
you know. And so I was thinking about that too,
and like if I didn't do this movie, and it's
like I wouldn't have had the friendships that like we've
created and just like with Christy and you know, maybe
working on projects with her later in the future.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I think it's I love how things kind of yeah,
and that's the reason I did this. You ask like
why did I do it? And it was because I
think it's always better to say yes to everything, and
yes the money is not exactly when we wanted to
be like a small budget, and like you guys have
been so kind to like at least give me a
call and put me up and stuff like that. But
at the end of the day, it was about being
(09:16):
creative because what else was I going to be doing
sitting pushing crap uphill like you know, and fine, I
just want to be around good energy. And I think
if you put yourself around good vibration, you know, I
don't know, you could have been awful, but you weren't lovely.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And we've been roommates, well roommates, but then you kicked
me out.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
They did not like I did not kick you out.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
To kick out. No, but it's been fun, like we've
just we've had lots of it's it's truly been nice.
I mean the other day, you know, Tamin and I
went to the pool and we're moms and we have
to It was I almost had a little tinge of
I felt bad that the kids weren't here, but at
the same time, like this is so nice. I haven't
sat by a pool and studied solo and had conversations
(10:02):
like we got to. I haven't been able to laugh
like that with friends because the only time I really
see my friends is when we're like podcasting, and so
it was just it's been so refreshing.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, And I only in this last year and a
half have I been doing things without my family, and
I've actually chosen. I've made a decided effort because I
think the guilt is such a patriarchal thing. It's like
crazy that like men don't feel this type of guilt.
And we are sitting here going, oh my gosh, I'm
away for like a week and we're so bad. And
yet my husband's away for seven months on and off
(10:34):
shooting a film. He's a writer director. And I was like,
do you feel bad? He's not. No, Like he missed
us and he missed the kids, but not one time
did he feel guilty about leaving us. Right, and I
go for seven days, I went to Year blast Year,
and like I the first half of the trip, I
was like, I'm such a cri joy this right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
They're fine.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They're like eating whatever they want with dad, you know,
like they're watching too much TV the great and the
kids need to see their parent, their mother, go and
do something that they actually love to do. So now
and my daughter says to me, what are you doing, mom?
I go, I'm gonna go wherever I'm going to work
my friends. And she's like, oh my gosh, but are
you gonna be sad? I said, I'm gonna miss you,
(11:15):
but I'm gonna have a great time.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, and you know it's do you Sarah Drew? Yeah, yeah,
she said. She helped me reframe it too, because I
used to be like, oh my god, I'm gonna miss
you so much. I'm gonna miss you so much, but
I never buttoned it with But Mommy's so excited to
do this movie because I love what I do, you know.
And I think it's so important for kids to hear that,
because you know, and this this is my second time
going two weeks away from seeing my bigs, and you know,
(11:38):
it's it's been hard, but at the same time, like
I know, the summer we're about to have, you know, hopefully,
you know, and and just like that time, it's like,
this is good for them to see us working too.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And hire existence. Isn't just, I believe, isn't just to
be that. There's so many different facets of make that
make up a woman. And I don't think it's just
to be a caregiver. Yeah, you know, yeah, I think
and it makes me a better mom. When I get back,
I'm gonna be so on them, yes, love them so much,
and then leave them again.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well you're busy, you're working. I mean you've been working
since seventeen fourteen fourteen, because he started on Home and
Away Show in Australia Selmsworth with Christ Emsworth. Yeah, when
I was do you have any fun Chris Hemsworth story, Yeah,
it came.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
To my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
He's a really, really great guy. So when I left
the show, he kind of joined and we like, you know,
we're like, hey, well were.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You Oh really, is there any flirtatious?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Oh? He was cute, you know, like hey, who's this guy?
Who's this new guy? But he's always been so nice.
I think it seems like such a good dude. You
can't really be a douchey person, like if you're Australian.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, really, like they don't let you okay.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You have to be like super cool and easy going
or like you'll have to have the accent right, like yeah, everything,
it's all cool night, like don't worry about it, Like yeah,
just sleep on the couch.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's fine, you know, it's very chill. I know your
least favorite question is why don't you anymore?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
My god, you're done.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm done. I'm literally I don't. But you'd hate that
when people ask you that, Yeah, I've lost.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
My Australian accent, but it can get back there, you know.
You know I throw a ship. No one says that
throw a ship on the Bobby. That never happens. So
I was actually born in South Africa lost that accent
when I moved to Australia. I was on Young and
the Restless and I took over a character that was
very American and they pulled me up to the to
(13:51):
the to the production and they said, hey, your Australian
accent keeps coming out. So we don't think that this
role is going to last if it keeps coming out,
because the fans are just aghast, they are shock horrified.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And so if I have like soaps, aren't soaps just
like can they turn that into something that comes in
your body?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And was like like they were like, this was the
character and now you've taken her over to your Australian.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What's out?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So I just spoken on an American accent because I
didn't want to go back to Australia and I didn't
have a visa I needed or I was going to
go back to the dregs of Australia, and so I
spoke an American accent and stuck. But I do think
you can definitely adapt accents. But when I go back,
the Australian comes back up.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I will say, like whenever Alan, like when we're
back with his parents, like his accent, his Scottish accent
gets thicker. And then I'm starting to pick up words too,
like what like bit.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like like use it in a sentence.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Little bits, just little bits of it, like pieces, little
bits And.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
What's the one thing that I can't stand?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Tam has helped me with my vocabulary because I was
your English. I'm not great at speaking. I'm aware even
though i'm not. You're away, you know, but I'll end
things with at, which is a preposition, and I don't
know what that is.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So going back to high school, one o one john.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
On, I just you know, I was, I was daydreaming
of being in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
She's like, where where are we going to dinner at?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And every time I say it. She's like, so, yeah,
so TAM's teaching me a lot of things. But what
you know, we've got a lot of women that listen
to the show that because Catherine talks a lot about
her weight loss journey. She's on GLP one. She's no, no, no, no,
but a lot of like, you know, you even made
a joke about it. She's like your She's like your storyline,
(15:46):
meaning my storyline is about a man that's cheated on.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Me and no one's ever done that. But I've been
with one verson for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, but like my storyline is you know, you were
like this is that and then yours is the I
was a fat kid who you know what? At what
age was that? And then how has that? Like even
to this day, you're still like, well, she's still in
my Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I was two hundred pounds probably from the ages of
like twelve to so. I got on the show just
I just turned fifteen, So it was fourteen fifteen, So
so six months before I got on Home and Away,
which is a TV show, I was very overweight, and
we'd immigrated from South Africa to Australia and I think
we were I was just like unsettled. My parents were amazing.
My mom wasn't like a food push or anything. We
(16:28):
just like eight, We like had, you know, lots of
food around. Like food and happiness was kind of coincided.
And I just remember just deciding One day I was
teased mercilessly by men boys, And I remember going to
my high school formal. Oh no, sorry, one of my formals,
like a dance, and this guy like came up to
me and then he was like damn. And I was like,
(16:48):
this guy's gonna ask me out on a date. And
he comes up and he goes, you need to go
to Jenny Craig, and I just remember it like that
was the turning point. His name was Jonathan Hid Jonathan
nice to see, hope you're listening, And I just remember thinking,
I don't want to feel like this. I don't want
to be teased, you know. Was it like an internal
thing where I thought I want to be healthy? No,
I just didn't want to be mocked anymore. So I
(17:11):
did it healthily, actually lost the white healthily, and then
six months later got on a TV show which is
like the number one TV show in Australia at the time,
ended up doing like fifty magazine covers like head face
of Pepsi, face of Laurel got a record deal. But
that girl who's on the cover of Inside Sport at
seventeen years old still felt like the girl who the
(17:32):
guy said, you need to go to Jenny Craig. And so,
like all my insecurities, it's not even that like I
look at my body and I never do it in
front of the kids, but it's just more about I
look at my body and it's just like there's this
perfectionism thing that I can never attain, which is never attainable,
but I can never attain, but I it's like that
little girl still wants to attain it. And I don't
(17:55):
even know what perfection is, like what is perfection? Right?
And I don't know, but I just like the something
physically that I want to attain that I feel like
I'm never getting to And.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The social media make that harder because maybe people that
you follow are like, oh, her body, I know. But
there is that comparison game right with social media, because
you're like, oh that you know, they that's the body
I want or this is.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Like yeah, And I think that the older I get
and the more friends that I have that are intelligent people.
I realize how boring bodies are. Yeah, Like they're so boring,
And there's so much that we talk about, and so
much in friendship we talk about like our face is
sagging and our body sagging. And I think this is
kind of the most boring topic ever because it's so
(18:39):
much to life and so much to delve into an
interesting and things to talk about that isn't just about ourselves,
you knows, about ideas and theories and all this kind
of stuff. And so the older I get, the more
I read, the more I realize it's just a boring
topic and that security there is what it's still there
and into you know, what's really sad is like when
(19:00):
I remember losing weight, I would go to the mirror
and I'd walk closely to the mirror and I'd always
just stand up straight and I would look at my
body and I still, twenty fricking years later, still do
the same thing. Yeah. And it's like my mother still
does the same thing. She's seventy years old and she
still weighs herself every day. Yeah, and it's still her fault.
She's like just wants to make sure it's all good,
(19:21):
you know, and I thought, gosh, even at seventy you're
still thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I mean, it is such a topic and I
think it has changed now, but that how it shaped
you and that and that's a tough age too.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean I still remember, you know, things from middle
school that people have said that still stay.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, but imagine being overweight, then losing the weight, then
being like this angenou Okay, so you're on these TV
shows and everyone's saying like I want like Australia's sexiest woman, okay,
and then you go, oh crap, I'm gonna lose it.
So then I just stopped eating and I went to
eighty six pounds and I was eating rice cakes and
coffee all day. That's all. I would have, like three
(20:01):
hundred calories a day. And then it was bulimia. And
then because it just because that was then my drug.
My drug was attention because I never got attention and
so I just needed to keep that. So then I
just got thinner and thinner. There. I know what the
crazy thing is. No one is that anything, like, no one.
No one pulled me up and said like, hey, we
think you're losing too much weight. And we think you
(20:22):
look ill or anything like that. They just kind of
were like.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You look great, and I remember, which also feeds the narrative,
you know, like eat when I say like, hey, you
look great to Catherine, She's like, oh, did I not
look great twenty found? And then yeah, you know, I
mean that's that what she'd say, but like, you know,
that's what the mind goes to think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And then and then so for me, it's like I
was so worried about not retaining it and losing it,
so then I had an eating disorder badly from seventeen
to twenty five. And then I remember the last time
I threw up. I'd met my husband at twenty three,
and I looked in the mirror and I was like,
I'm done. And I never threw up again. And they
always say like, oh, did you go to therapy before
or whatever? And I thought no, because when you hit
(20:59):
rock in any addiction, and you really hit rock bottom,
that's when you change. And like that was my I
just looked in the mirror and like my eyes were
bleeding because it's like sort of so much of my
you know, it was raw. And I've had so many kolonoscopes.
Because I lost my stomach gliding and all that stuff.
I lost two teeth. It was so bad and I
was like I'm done. I'm like never going to do
(21:19):
it again. I never have. I mean one time, I
think when I was really drunk, I was like, I
feel so sick, you know when that was about it.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, it creates in now though, because like you just said,
like you know, you realize that the conversation about it,
but the conversation is so powerful because there are women
that's still struggling with that. So what has been your
biggest tip to get out of that, either comparison game
or to not go back because it's gonna it's those
things are going to come up. My issues from childhood
will come in.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It's just like that's just normal. No matter how much work,
no matter how much we read here, whatever, it's there's
there's that still history in us.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So for me now I'm better. I think age does help,
oh for sure. I think age and experience or whatever,
but I still really do compare myself and that's when
I start to go into a negative spiral. But I
go back to the basics of like who I am,
and at the end of the day. I know the
things that I do well, and it does come back
(22:30):
to my career. It's always been my career. Like I've
never doubted being a good mom, right right, right for
doubted so true. That's the one thing too. I'm not
great at this. I'm not great at this, but I'm
a good mom. Yeah, and I still am not the best,
you know, but I know I'm I'm like, they're so lucky,
you know. I think my husband's so lucky. I'm like,
I'm a great wife. Like I really don't struggle with that.
(22:52):
I know that I haven't even begun in my career,
Like I don't even think I've started, because the small
parts that I've been able to show have so far
inview between the life, I haven't even begun. But I
know that with my career, I know that my purpose
is to tell stories. Yeah, and my purpose is to
(23:14):
make people feel things and to feel better about themselves
or to feel less alone. And so I just always
go back to what is the purpose. If I'm about
to post an Instagram and I'm like, oh, do I
want this to go viral? Is it going to go viral?
I have to say to myself, it's not about going viral.
It's about like what your purpose is and if the
people who are meant to see it see it and
it affects them in some way, then that's the point. Yeah,
(23:35):
that's the only point. And it's not about the other stuff,
which is like, oh, you do it because you want
it to make money, but money comes.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, but that also is Yeah, it's important, it's important.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
But I do believe that money comes when you're being
your most authentic and when you're telling that, like the
stories for me that are the most authentic, you get
end up getting paid for those types of things. But
it's hard making your finances creative. Yeah, it's better to
have a sileshole. Right, So what are we doing? Jay?
And on the side and now you're like, this is
my side, hustle.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
We can come up with another one together.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Huh. So I would love that we'll get right on that,
right on that with all your time.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
No, But I just I love you and I always
just appreciate how real and honest you are. I mean,
listen to you some of the skits that you do
on Instagram, you end up in the hospital. I think
it's funny you know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That you that you share all the I really just
I really just dive in guys like something gave no context.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
No, she's like, you.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Do these skits and you end up in.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
The You have to you have to just go on
Instagram and see it's pretty funny. She wrapped yourself up
like a newborn photo and she fell off the bed
and she got a concussion.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And then the doctor was like, I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
When I saw that, I laughed out.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Loud like and the doctor was like, hey, ma'am, how
did this happen? Like doing a ticked up. He's like,
can I watch it? It's like, do you have to.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Like you know, just imagine, like please go back to
guysco follow Tayman if you haven't already. But she's literally
wrapped up in a swaddle blanket. This forty version, forty
year old version is wrapped out in swaddle version on
a bed.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
But I was so mad at my husband because I realized,
like he knew I was gonna fall in the bed.
That was the gag where I was supposed to fall
on the bed and I'm swaddled, so I can't like
break my fall with my arms, so I'm like going
to fall, But he knew that my head is heavier
than my ass, so it's gonna I'm gonna fall like
head over ass, and he knew that when I hit
there was nothing there, so I was gonna fall like
(25:27):
this and I had nothing to hold myself. So I
landed on Jenna. I've never hit my head so hard.
I landed on my head upside down, and I thought
I was I thought I was dead. I thought that's it.
That's brain believe if I thought that's how I was
gonna go, guys, I was like, this is my story.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It was.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Imagine people being like, oh, we're so upset about like
the way she went. It's like and then the last
picture of me would be in a baby's spoil. That
would be like the thing it's too good that happened.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's just too good.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But my tampon once, we'll talk about that once. And
I did good to the emergency because I didn't know
how to find it. And that's yeah, I lost it.
I don't still know to this day where it is
that you really die from that. Yeah, but it's been
like a long time. I feel like it would have
It's it's not there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm sure like disintegrated but I think so I have
no clue. Okay, on that note, guys sponsor for this
one over imagine.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They did the like, oh ma'am, there's like a tampon
up there.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh boy, then this is what set looks like. Guys,
just are random chats. But thank you guys for listening
to tam and thank you for being so open and.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Join us on our new Yeah, Janna, but we have
to have a really long title ramon.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And where come the listeners find you?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh my gosh, right now, Oh, I do have something
to plug. Go to my YouTube, guys. I wrote and
directed and acted in my own television series that never
went to television because it was a short from content
so we didn't know where to put it. But seven
episodes is called Ozzie Girl, and it's on my YouTube
right now.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm so jealous. I can't be friends with you anymore.
Why this joke?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But what did I do? Like that was the thing?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Because of that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Sorry, guys, I'm fay She's the best. You guys, follow
along and watch out for a movie I think sometime
later this year. Love song for my Texas Ranger here
in Barlata, Texas.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, pending title bye
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
so I'm so excited because this week's special guest We've
got tamis.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So excited to be here. Sisters.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We are in San Antonio right now. We are filming
Love Song for my Texas Ranger.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I think they're going to keep this.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I did a movie called Love and Penguins Okay Ivan Penguin, No,
and my My Mommy's Secret, My Mommy's Secrets, Renymoirs, Mommy's
Mommy Scary Secrets.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's so funny because I feel like these days, titles
just keep getting longer and longer and stronger and so Originally,
if I'm honest with you, and I love Robin who
wrote wrote the script. She's you know, she's first day
ding on the movie too, and she's a producer. She's amazing.
But when I first read the title, I was just like, oh, like,
(00:57):
I don't know if this is going to be any
good And then I wat it like, Okay, this is
super cute, but I wish it could just be I
wish it could be shorter.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, like love song. Right listen, I'm not but they're
not a titleist.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But does that really lend to what the story is
not really no, like love.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The thing about them, like films, is you have to
kind of give it away in the title.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, like gas lit by my husband. It couldn't just
it couldn't just be gas lit, you know, like it
couldn't just be a gas lit by.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
My husband.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes, exactly. The other one that comes out soon is
where the Heart, Where the Heart lands or something. Yeah,
that's a little that's.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
A little confusing because we don't know where that heart's
gonna land exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah. But how are you happy to be here in
San Antonio? No? No, no, truly though, because it's this
is this is a smaller budget film. You're obviously used
to higher budgets. Why did you say yes? And how
much fun have you been having?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do you want? For truth?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I want to be absolute truth, because I will say
I mean, listen, we've been we've been friends. We met
so Tamin and I met at an event for Johnson
and Johnson back in I think I was pregnant with Jayce.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So it was a long obviously long time ago, and
I just thought she was really sweet. I went up
and just like introduced myself to you.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
You did. You came up and you were like, Hi,
my name's Jianna Kramer, and I was like, who is
this bach? And you were so cute too, and I
was like, I can't be fear of friends with cute people.
Take away my thunder No, you were amazing. And then
I also thought, you know, we live in the same
place eight minutes I don't know eight or two.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, we live about eight minutes away, and we've seen
each other one time in four years.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
In four years, but you do invite me over a lot,
you know. And I do think that I have probably insecurity,
like we all do, and especially being friends with people
in the business. I find it. I think you're better
at that. It's the sagin you, you know. I find
like for me, I sometimes get insecure about having friends
in the business because your part of you is I
(03:11):
don't want to ask you about this part of you
is so proud of the people in your life, and
then this sometimes part of you that goes, oh shit,
why did I don't get that?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Do you ever feel that, like role wise?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah? Sometimes do you ever feel like you're up for
something with someone who's in your circle? And it's hard
to be friends with people like that, so like you're
competing against them, but it stills like that niggling, like.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Hmm, okay, so I totally I totally know what you're saying.
I think, like, for example, I've auditioned for parts that
you I mean you, I audition for the blind Girl
in pretty much you an audition for that part, right,
but like you know, I auditioned for Jenna and I
obviously didn't get it. You got it. Now we're friends.
I wouldn't I wouldn't not be friends with you because no, no, no, no,
(03:53):
no no. But but well, what I will say is
I think it's any time I ever see one of
my actress friends get a role, I'm happy, But it's
not if the zinger is more like I want to
be working. So it's the jealousy of wanting to work,
not jealous of like you booking a role like the
you know, one of the girls that I had tested
(04:14):
for another show she ended up getting it. I yeah,
do I want to be the one on the horse
right now, you know doing that show off thousand percent?
I wasn't jealous, Yes I was jealous, but not I
was more it's more an internal thing not I don't
want to not be friends with her because of it,
but it's just like, man, like I want that I
(04:34):
wanted that show, but I also know there'll be an
opportunity for me to have a different show. And I
think you and I were alike, but we're different, Like
I feel like you go more comedy with things. But
even if we were up for something like, I would
so celebrate the fact I know now every role is
totally meant to be for in that time and place
in my life, Like if I didn't get this role,
(04:57):
and then I wouldn't have gotten the role of montre Hill,
you know. So I think there's so many things where
I just say, like I can just kind of give
it up and give it away.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But you ever feel like because I feel my whole life,
I've always been the underdog.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
One hundred way.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I feel like I'm literally fighting for everything, and then
people can take a step back look at my life
and go, what do you mean? Like You've done so
many things and your life looks a certain way, and
it stuff the highlight reel that we put up. But
I feel like I'm always fighting one percent.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I feel like I've never in the first bag I'm always.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
The first girl.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'm like oo passed. But I will say though, I
did see your your video that you posted and it
went absolutely viral. I mean Jay Low commented on it.
Jennifer Garner, I mean, so many these comments see movies.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I know, like, don't call it, give me something.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
But you had tested for something and you basically were
told that it was yours, and then you got the
call as a TV show in Australia and you got
the call that it ended up you didn't get it,
and you posted as really raw and vulnerable, and it's
like every actor knows. I mean I cried for a
week with this last show that I didn't get. I
mean I didn't, you know, I obviously got up, had
to parent, but like I was depressed for a good
(06:05):
week of it because it's like it's right there, you
could like touch it and taste it basically, and then
it's just ripped. And being an actor is so hard.
No one understands that. And you expressed it, yeah, just
about that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was one of those moments where you know, I've
been so close to certain things and gotten things and
haven't gotten things, but this was the closest I'd been
to another series regular on a show that I was
actually able. I'm from Australia, so I was able to
shoot name my parents. My dad's not well, so it's
like I was able to go shoot there for four
months and then be the lead of a show with paramount.
So it's like it's like the perfect synergy, right, so
(06:41):
I get to be with my family and be on
the show. The casting director told my manager that they
were like, the other girl's not going to get it.
She was far superior. So I was like, this is man,
you know, Like I was like googling, like where am
I going to stay on the go cost in Australia?
Like who what schools are my kids going to go to?
It got that deep. I didn't actually think there was
the expectation, which is always been my issue. I didn't
(07:01):
think that there was something on the other side of
the expectation of not getting Like I didn't think that
was possible. So the first two seconds the manager, my
manager said, hey, I knew it's always that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The minute they call you, yeah, and I knew it
wasn't gonna happen wor car.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was just gonna video from my stories. But I
thought effort. I'm going to put it up because it's honest,
it's real, and I think a lot of people know
what rejection feels like in any job and in any way.
So I put it up and I didn't expect it
to go like that. But at the end of the day,
I think we all have that universal feeling of what
it's like to be rejected. It doesn't even have to
be in career stuff. It can just be in life
(07:37):
for relationships, like we get so close and then it's
not ours, it's not ours, it's not ours. But I
think actors do get a lot more rejected than any
other job. And yet oh I still keep going. But
my quote that I use right now, which sounds as
a little snarky, it's not meant to is I can
hold on longer than you, and it's not meant to
be like against an actual human. But it's like, I
do believe that if you stay in as long as
(07:59):
you can in the game, yeah, and you are at
least semi talented.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Right right, right, right, then I think that it's people
who stay in like eventually, that's what I keep saying.
I'm like, it's been ten years, I've been fighting to
get back on a TV show. But eventually, if I
don't quit, I will get on a show. And I
do believe that, Like I.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Believe that too for you.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But I think, like after seeing that video, you know,
and I knew this movie was happening, and I'm like, oh,
she probably won't. I mean, I know, you know what
your quote and all the things, but I'm like maybe,
I'm like, I'm just gonna text you and see. But now,
obviously you'd want to be doing that show right now,
but it has been the experience is that we would
never have been we've never been been doing this, and
(08:39):
we never know what's going to come from you never
you never know what's going to come from something else,
you know. And so I was thinking about that too,
and like if I didn't do this movie, and it's
like I wouldn't have had the friendships that like we've
created and just like with Christy and you know, maybe
working on projects with her later in the future.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I think it's I love how things kind of yeah,
and that's the reason I did this. You ask like
why did I do it? And it was because I
think it's always better to say yes to everything, and
yes the money is not exactly when we wanted to
be like a small budget, and like you guys have
been so kind to like at least give me a
call and put me up and stuff like that. But
at the end of the day, it was about being
(09:16):
creative because what else was I going to be doing
sitting pushing crap uphill like you know, and fine, I
just want to be around good energy. And I think
if you put yourself around good vibration, you know, I
don't know, you could have been awful, but you weren't lovely.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And we've been roommates, well roommates, but then you kicked
me out.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
They did not like I did not kick you out.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
To kick out. No, but it's been fun, like we've
just we've had lots of it's it's truly been nice.
I mean the other day, you know, Tamin and I
went to the pool and we're moms and we have
to It was I almost had a little tinge of
I felt bad that the kids weren't here, but at
the same time, like this is so nice. I haven't
sat by a pool and studied solo and had conversations
(10:02):
like we got to. I haven't been able to laugh
like that with friends because the only time I really
see my friends is when we're like podcasting, and so
it was just it's been so refreshing.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, And I only in this last year and a
half have I been doing things without my family, and
I've actually chosen. I've made a decided effort because I
think the guilt is such a patriarchal thing. It's like
crazy that like men don't feel this type of guilt.
And we are sitting here going, oh my gosh, I'm
away for like a week and we're so bad. And
yet my husband's away for seven months on and off
(10:34):
shooting a film. He's a writer director. And I was like,
do you feel bad? He's not. No, Like he missed
us and he missed the kids, but not one time
did he feel guilty about leaving us. Right, and I
go for seven days, I went to Year blast Year,
and like I the first half of the trip, I
was like, I'm such a cri joy this right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
They're fine.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They're like eating whatever they want with dad, you know,
like they're watching too much TV the great and the
kids need to see their parent, their mother, go and
do something that they actually love to do. So now
and my daughter says to me, what are you doing, mom?
I go, I'm gonna go wherever I'm going to work
my friends. And she's like, oh my gosh, but are
you gonna be sad? I said, I'm gonna miss you,
(11:15):
but I'm gonna have a great time.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, and you know it's do you Sarah Drew? Yeah, yeah,
she said. She helped me reframe it too, because I
used to be like, oh my god, I'm gonna miss
you so much. I'm gonna miss you so much, but
I never buttoned it with But Mommy's so excited to
do this movie because I love what I do, you know.
And I think it's so important for kids to hear that,
because you know, and this this is my second time
going two weeks away from seeing my bigs, and you know,
(11:38):
it's it's been hard, but at the same time, like
I know, the summer we're about to have, you know, hopefully,
you know, and and just like that time, it's like,
this is good for them to see us working too.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And hire existence. Isn't just, I believe, isn't just to
be that. There's so many different facets of make that
make up a woman. And I don't think it's just
to be a caregiver. Yeah, you know, yeah, I think
and it makes me a better mom. When I get back,
I'm gonna be so on them, yes, love them so much,
and then leave them again.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well you're busy, you're working. I mean you've been working
since seventeen fourteen fourteen, because he started on Home and
Away Show in Australia Selmsworth with Christ Emsworth. Yeah, when
I was do you have any fun Chris Hemsworth story, Yeah,
it came.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
To my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
He's a really, really great guy. So when I left
the show, he kind of joined and we like, you know,
we're like, hey, well were.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You Oh really, is there any flirtatious?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Oh? He was cute, you know, like hey, who's this guy?
Who's this new guy? But he's always been so nice.
I think it seems like such a good dude. You
can't really be a douchey person, like if you're Australian.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, really, like they don't let you okay.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You have to be like super cool and easy going
or like you'll have to have the accent right, like yeah, everything,
it's all cool night, like don't worry about it, Like yeah,
just sleep on the couch.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's fine, you know, it's very chill. I know your
least favorite question is why don't you anymore?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
My god, you're done.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm done. I'm literally I don't. But you'd hate that
when people ask you that, Yeah, I've lost.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
My Australian accent, but it can get back there, you know.
You know I throw a ship. No one says that
throw a ship on the Bobby. That never happens. So
I was actually born in South Africa lost that accent
when I moved to Australia. I was on Young and
the Restless and I took over a character that was
very American and they pulled me up to the to
(13:51):
the to the production and they said, hey, your Australian
accent keeps coming out. So we don't think that this
role is going to last if it keeps coming out,
because the fans are just aghast, they are shock horrified.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And so if I have like soaps, aren't soaps just
like can they turn that into something that comes in
your body?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And was like like they were like, this was the
character and now you've taken her over to your Australian.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What's out?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So I just spoken on an American accent because I
didn't want to go back to Australia and I didn't
have a visa I needed or I was going to
go back to the dregs of Australia, and so I
spoke an American accent and stuck. But I do think
you can definitely adapt accents. But when I go back,
the Australian comes back up.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I will say, like whenever Alan, like when we're
back with his parents, like his accent, his Scottish accent
gets thicker. And then I'm starting to pick up words too,
like what like bit.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like like use it in a sentence.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Little bits, just little bits of it, like pieces, little
bits And.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
What's the one thing that I can't stand?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Tam has helped me with my vocabulary because I was
your English. I'm not great at speaking. I'm aware even
though i'm not. You're away, you know, but I'll end
things with at, which is a preposition, and I don't
know what that is.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So going back to high school, one o one john.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
On, I just you know, I was, I was daydreaming
of being in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
She's like, where where are we going to dinner at?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And every time I say it. She's like, so, yeah,
so TAM's teaching me a lot of things. But what
you know, we've got a lot of women that listen
to the show that because Catherine talks a lot about
her weight loss journey. She's on GLP one. She's no, no, no, no,
but a lot of like, you know, you even made
a joke about it. She's like your She's like your storyline,
(15:46):
meaning my storyline is about a man that's cheated on.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Me and no one's ever done that. But I've been
with one verson for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, but like my storyline is you know, you were
like this is that and then yours is the I
was a fat kid who you know what? At what
age was that? And then how has that? Like even
to this day, you're still like, well, she's still in
my Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I was two hundred pounds probably from the ages of
like twelve to so. I got on the show just
I just turned fifteen, So it was fourteen fifteen, So
so six months before I got on Home and Away,
which is a TV show, I was very overweight, and
we'd immigrated from South Africa to Australia and I think
we were I was just like unsettled. My parents were amazing.
My mom wasn't like a food push or anything. We
(16:28):
just like eight, We like had, you know, lots of
food around. Like food and happiness was kind of coincided.
And I just remember just deciding One day I was
teased mercilessly by men boys, And I remember going to
my high school formal. Oh no, sorry, one of my formals,
like a dance, and this guy like came up to
me and then he was like damn. And I was like,
(16:48):
this guy's gonna ask me out on a date. And
he comes up and he goes, you need to go
to Jenny Craig, and I just remember it like that
was the turning point. His name was Jonathan Hid Jonathan
nice to see, hope you're listening, And I just remember thinking,
I don't want to feel like this. I don't want
to be teased, you know. Was it like an internal
thing where I thought I want to be healthy? No,
I just didn't want to be mocked anymore. So I
(17:11):
did it healthily, actually lost the white healthily, and then
six months later got on a TV show which is
like the number one TV show in Australia at the time,
ended up doing like fifty magazine covers like head face
of Pepsi, face of Laurel got a record deal. But
that girl who's on the cover of Inside Sport at
seventeen years old still felt like the girl who the
(17:32):
guy said, you need to go to Jenny Craig. And so,
like all my insecurities, it's not even that like I
look at my body and I never do it in
front of the kids, but it's just more about I
look at my body and it's just like there's this
perfectionism thing that I can never attain, which is never attainable,
but I can never attain, but I it's like that
little girl still wants to attain it. And I don't
(17:55):
even know what perfection is, like what is perfection? Right?
And I don't know, but I just like the something
physically that I want to attain that I feel like
I'm never getting to And.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The social media make that harder because maybe people that
you follow are like, oh, her body, I know. But
there is that comparison game right with social media, because
you're like, oh that you know, they that's the body
I want or this is.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Like yeah, And I think that the older I get
and the more friends that I have that are intelligent people.
I realize how boring bodies are. Yeah, Like they're so boring,
And there's so much that we talk about, and so
much in friendship we talk about like our face is
sagging and our body sagging. And I think this is
kind of the most boring topic ever because it's so
(18:39):
much to life and so much to delve into an
interesting and things to talk about that isn't just about ourselves,
you knows, about ideas and theories and all this kind
of stuff. And so the older I get, the more
I read, the more I realize it's just a boring
topic and that security there is what it's still there
and into you know, what's really sad is like when
(19:00):
I remember losing weight, I would go to the mirror
and I'd walk closely to the mirror and I'd always
just stand up straight and I would look at my
body and I still, twenty fricking years later, still do
the same thing. Yeah. And it's like my mother still
does the same thing. She's seventy years old and she
still weighs herself every day. Yeah, and it's still her fault.
She's like just wants to make sure it's all good,
(19:21):
you know, and I thought, gosh, even at seventy you're
still thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I mean, it is such a topic and I
think it has changed now, but that how it shaped
you and that and that's a tough age too.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean I still remember, you know, things from middle
school that people have said that still stay.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, but imagine being overweight, then losing the weight, then
being like this angenou Okay, so you're on these TV
shows and everyone's saying like I want like Australia's sexiest woman, okay,
and then you go, oh crap, I'm gonna lose it.
So then I just stopped eating and I went to
eighty six pounds and I was eating rice cakes and
coffee all day. That's all. I would have, like three
(20:01):
hundred calories a day. And then it was bulimia. And
then because it just because that was then my drug.
My drug was attention because I never got attention and
so I just needed to keep that. So then I
just got thinner and thinner. There. I know what the
crazy thing is. No one is that anything, like, no one.
No one pulled me up and said like, hey, we
think you're losing too much weight. And we think you
(20:22):
look ill or anything like that. They just kind of
were like.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You look great, and I remember, which also feeds the narrative,
you know, like eat when I say like, hey, you
look great to Catherine, She's like, oh, did I not
look great twenty found? And then yeah, you know, I
mean that's that what she'd say, but like, you know,
that's what the mind goes to think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And then and then so for me, it's like I
was so worried about not retaining it and losing it,
so then I had an eating disorder badly from seventeen
to twenty five. And then I remember the last time
I threw up. I'd met my husband at twenty three,
and I looked in the mirror and I was like,
I'm done. And I never threw up again. And they
always say like, oh, did you go to therapy before
or whatever? And I thought no, because when you hit
(20:59):
rock in any addiction, and you really hit rock bottom,
that's when you change. And like that was my I
just looked in the mirror and like my eyes were
bleeding because it's like sort of so much of my
you know, it was raw. And I've had so many kolonoscopes.
Because I lost my stomach gliding and all that stuff.
I lost two teeth. It was so bad and I
was like I'm done. I'm like never going to do
(21:19):
it again. I never have. I mean one time, I
think when I was really drunk, I was like, I
feel so sick, you know when that was about it.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, it creates in now though, because like you just said,
like you know, you realize that the conversation about it,
but the conversation is so powerful because there are women
that's still struggling with that. So what has been your
biggest tip to get out of that, either comparison game
or to not go back because it's gonna it's those
things are going to come up. My issues from childhood
will come in.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It's just like that's just normal. No matter how much work,
no matter how much we read here, whatever, it's there's
there's that still history in us.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So for me now I'm better. I think age does help,
oh for sure. I think age and experience or whatever,
but I still really do compare myself and that's when
I start to go into a negative spiral. But I
go back to the basics of like who I am,
and at the end of the day. I know the
things that I do well, and it does come back
(22:30):
to my career. It's always been my career. Like I've
never doubted being a good mom, right right, right for
doubted so true. That's the one thing too. I'm not
great at this. I'm not great at this, but I'm
a good mom. Yeah, and I still am not the best,
you know, but I know I'm I'm like, they're so lucky,
you know. I think my husband's so lucky. I'm like,
I'm a great wife. Like I really don't struggle with that.
(22:52):
I know that I haven't even begun in my career,
Like I don't even think I've started, because the small
parts that I've been able to show have so far
inview between the life, I haven't even begun. But I
know that with my career, I know that my purpose
is to tell stories. Yeah, and my purpose is to
(23:14):
make people feel things and to feel better about themselves
or to feel less alone. And so I just always
go back to what is the purpose. If I'm about
to post an Instagram and I'm like, oh, do I
want this to go viral? Is it going to go viral?
I have to say to myself, it's not about going viral.
It's about like what your purpose is and if the
people who are meant to see it see it and
it affects them in some way, then that's the point. Yeah,
(23:35):
that's the only point. And it's not about the other stuff,
which is like, oh, you do it because you want
it to make money, but money comes.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, but that also is Yeah, it's important, it's important.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
But I do believe that money comes when you're being
your most authentic and when you're telling that, like the
stories for me that are the most authentic, you get
end up getting paid for those types of things. But
it's hard making your finances creative. Yeah, it's better to
have a sileshole. Right, So what are we doing? Jay?
And on the side and now you're like, this is
my side, hustle.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
We can come up with another one together.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Huh. So I would love that we'll get right on that,
right on that with all your time.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
No, But I just I love you and I always
just appreciate how real and honest you are. I mean,
listen to you some of the skits that you do
on Instagram, you end up in the hospital. I think
it's funny you know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
That you that you share all the I really just
I really just dive in guys like something gave no context.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
No, she's like, you.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Do these skits and you end up in.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
The You have to you have to just go on
Instagram and see it's pretty funny. She wrapped yourself up
like a newborn photo and she fell off the bed
and she got a concussion.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And then the doctor was like, I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
When I saw that, I laughed out.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Loud like and the doctor was like, hey, ma'am, how
did this happen? Like doing a ticked up. He's like,
can I watch it? It's like, do you have to.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Like you know, just imagine, like please go back to
guysco follow Tayman if you haven't already. But she's literally
wrapped up in a swaddle blanket. This forty version, forty
year old version is wrapped out in swaddle version on
a bed.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
But I was so mad at my husband because I realized,
like he knew I was gonna fall in the bed.
That was the gag where I was supposed to fall
on the bed and I'm swaddled, so I can't like
break my fall with my arms, so I'm like going
to fall, But he knew that my head is heavier
than my ass, so it's gonna I'm gonna fall like
head over ass, and he knew that when I hit
there was nothing there, so I was gonna fall like
(25:27):
this and I had nothing to hold myself. So I
landed on Jenna. I've never hit my head so hard.
I landed on my head upside down, and I thought
I was I thought I was dead. I thought that's it.
That's brain believe if I thought that's how I was
gonna go, guys, I was like, this is my story.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It was.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Imagine people being like, oh, we're so upset about like
the way she went. It's like and then the last
picture of me would be in a baby's spoil. That
would be like the thing it's too good that happened.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's just too good.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But my tampon once, we'll talk about that once. And
I did good to the emergency because I didn't know
how to find it. And that's yeah, I lost it.
I don't still know to this day where it is
that you really die from that. Yeah, but it's been
like a long time. I feel like it would have
It's it's not there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm sure like disintegrated but I think so I have
no clue. Okay, on that note, guys sponsor for this
one over imagine.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They did the like, oh ma'am, there's like a tampon
up there.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh boy, then this is what set looks like. Guys,
just are random chats. But thank you guys for listening
to tam and thank you for being so open and.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Join us on our new Yeah, Janna, but we have
to have a really long title ramon.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And where come the listeners find you?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh my gosh, right now, Oh, I do have something
to plug. Go to my YouTube, guys. I wrote and
directed and acted in my own television series that never
went to television because it was a short from content
so we didn't know where to put it. But seven
episodes is called Ozzie Girl, and it's on my YouTube
right now.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm so jealous. I can't be friends with you anymore.
Why this joke?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But what did I do? Like that was the thing?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Because of that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Sorry, guys, I'm fay She's the best. You guys, follow
along and watch out for a movie I think sometime
later this year. Love song for my Texas Ranger here
in Barlata, Texas.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, pending title bye
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