April 22, 2026 • 33 mins
Jana is hanging out with actor Scott Wolf and she has a big confession to make…
Jana and Scott bond over the challenge of being a parent AND a working actor. He has some incredible advice for Jana about her feelings when passing on a role.
We get into the struggles of social media and technology when it comes to kids, and how to ignore negative feedback online.
Plus, Scott reveals what it’s like becoming an “accidental villain” in his new series!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This week's special guest, We've got Scott wolf On.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Do I tell him he was on my wall when
I was a.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Child or no? I think you should. Will that get awkward?
Are you two friends? No?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
He has no idea who I am.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh, okay, Okay, Well, I just don't know if I
was like in my jam of course Bailey forever. I know,
like I remember the first time I met Lacy Shaver
and I'm like, oh my god, I up the other day.
But you don't know me, right, So I stop trying
to make that happen. Okay, But I think he's amazing
(00:39):
and I am just you know, he's got his new
show doc so let's see how I embarrass myself. Let's
get him on HI. All right, how are you so good?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Scott?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
This is really I just actually this is just like
wildly fun to me that I get to talk to you.
I haven't felt like this sends Matthew McConaughey to be honest, yeah,
because there's just iconic men in our world.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We both have men trushes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
She has Matthew on my wall, but I had you
on my wall.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Wow, this is.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You want to hear a nutty story.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, tell me all of the stories. I know you
didn't have me on your side. You don't even know I.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
My name is Jane. It's lovely to meet you.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I know who you are. When I was like I
don't know. Halfway through that old show through party at five,
I took a girl I was dating at the time
to see my old house and I was like, I'm
going to knock on the door. I don't even know
who's living here. I want to see who's living So
I went up and I knocked on the door and
(01:48):
this woman answers the door and I was like Hi.
I was like, you don't know me, but I used
to live here. And she's like, oh my god, and
she goes, honey, get Jessica like this, and I was like, oh,
I don't mean to interrupt your day. I just I
used to live here.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And she's like, I know what Jessica's screaming.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Jessica comes down from all the screaming and Jessica is
like fifteen years old and she starts freaking out. So
they watched the show. Jessica is like a fan of
the show, and I said, you know, I haven't been
back here since we moved out of here. It's been
a long time. And she was like, would you want
to look around? And I was like that'd be great.
So we start doing this little tour of the house.
(02:32):
Well she's like, Jessica said, do you want to see
my room? And I'm like sure. So we go up
to her room. So she's in my old room and
over her bed is a poster of me.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Wow, And it was like, oh, it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Was so twilight zoned because I was like, that just
doesn't like this is a simulation we're living in. How
am I traveling back into this old my old bedroom
and there's a poster of me on the wall.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It was bizarro crazy?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Because you Party of Five was so iconic for our
I mean it just was. It was tender, and it
was cozy and it was just it just was lovely
and it's just a part of our DNA. But did
you know while you were doing it that it was
going to be what it was? Because you know, you
hear from like the cast of Friends and those interviews
they kind of talk about like we didn't we were
just so it doesn't feel like it hits in the time.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, I think our families were a bit uh huh.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It was it felt like I had a family within
you guys, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like that, it was it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Was wholesome and then and gave us a little bit
of a litmus test for maybe what family should feel like.
And so that's why you were so important to us,
or more important to us.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Sure, and that part there's there was no way to
have any sense of that that because in a weird
sort of you know, television real life way, people sort
of grew up with us. You know, we sort of
grew up together, and that means something different than just
the show you liked. And so all these years later, yeah,
(04:04):
there's people who come up and when people are like,
oh my god, Party of Five, they don't sound like
they watched it twenty five years ago. They sound like
they watched it last Wednesday. So that, you know, once
the show got going, you know, because we were like
an endangered series in the beginning. It was you know,
it was a time where you know, if you didn't
(04:25):
have decent enough ratings, they would cancel you, and they
still do. But the whole first season we didn't know
if we were ever going to survive into a second season.
And so once the show sort of got a footing
and we could, we won, Like the show got nominated
out of Nowhere for a Golden Globe in its second year,
and we won up against all these like Juggernaut, big
(04:47):
giant grown up series and that sort of put us
on the map a bit and made people go, oh,
wait a minute, what is that? And and from that
point on we knew at least we were going to
get to run and tell tell us story. And that
was the most heartbreaking thing early on, was like we
can feel how important this could be, but people might
(05:08):
never get a chance to stay with it because they
might cancel it. And Fox, to their credit still employing
me to this day, stuck with it and kept it
on the air. And so so yeah, while there's no
way if you had told me, you know, twenty five
years from now, people are going to run up to
in airports and have tears in their eyes and say
(05:30):
that show really really meant so much to me and
help me in this way and help me understand my
family in this way. And yeah, I'm still I mean,
I get you know, all the clem talking about it
because it's you know, it's it's not a given that
this work that we do is going to really mean
something to people in that way, and so I'm forever
(05:51):
proud of that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I have a question about balance, you know, I recently
just passed on a movie offer that I mean, I honestly,
I think my manager is about to drop me because
she's so pissed. It doesn't understand like why I didn't
take the movie. It was going to be a month
in the Dominican Republic, and you know, for me, I'm like,
I've got a two, seven and ten year old, right,
and so my balance between taking jobs and being a mom.
(06:12):
It's baseball season, it's softball season, it's and you know,
she had made a comment, well, you know, maybe you
shouldn't be an actor, and I'm like, well, listen, I
also am a mom first, right, So that's my number
one and I you know, hopefully something else will come up,
which you know there is. But at the same time,
for me, I am struggling with that. I don't want
(06:33):
to miss the ages of where my kids are at
right now, Like in ten years, they're they're not going
to have summers with me anymore. And they're not going
to be doing things. But I'm also like I have
to work right, but I'm struggling with the balance. And
I'm curious, now that you have older kids, have you
looked back and gone, man, I maybe I should have
taken more time with this, or like, what is something
that you can kind of help I guess my balance
(06:56):
heart with that because I am struggling. I'm like, well,
maybe I'm not supposed to be in No, maybe I'm
not cut for this at this moment.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, I think what you're
talking about, this whole work life balance is probably this
central challenge in the majority of people with children's lives,
and it's next to impossible because there is no really
getting it right. There's no right or wrong. You know,
it really is just a personal thing, and it changes
(07:25):
over time. You know, there's periods of your life. You know.
I remember having chunks of my life where I was like, well,
during this time, I will not be away from these
children and my wife. And then it got to a
time where I was like, oh, wait a minute, We've
got a little bit of runway here. It feels like
if I'm coming and going and they're doing their thing,
and I, you know, so long as I don't ever
(07:45):
stay away for that. That was a big thing for me,
was we had this like you know, it was like
I was very, very lucky to most of the time
have like a five day rule where I wouldn't ever
be gone for more than five days, even if I've
been coming home for thirty six hours.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, like that's what I'm doing. I'm going now to
go do something. It's only for two and a half weeks,
which is easier on my mom heart. It's not a month, right,
but all I'm going to come home on Saturday to
catch the baseball game with the flyback Sunday to get
you know, but it's I couldn't do that in the Dominican,
you know.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So it's like, yeah, and it'll be you know. I
wish I could tell you that it gets easier or that,
or that it gets simpler. It doesn't. It's just a
constant and each you know, each time you're confronting with it,
it's its own decision. Where are the kids, how old
are the kids, how you know steady do they feel?
Is one of them going through a thing? Are three
(08:38):
of them going through a thing? And yeah, like you said,
how far is it? I've been so blessed, and I
just shout out, you know, I couldn't name them if
I tried, but I have worked with the loveliest people
in this industry who had so much compassion and understanding,
(09:00):
and they were just so good at accommodating. They knew
how important my family was to me, and so you know,
you know, in this business, it's tricky. You know, you
just say, like, hey, I got a thing on next Thursday,
I can't work, and that's like, you know, nineteen hours
of meetings for one hundred and twelve people to figure
(09:20):
out how to make that work. So you know, we
don't take this branded and I never expect people to
bend over backwards just to accommodate my schedule, because there's
a lot of people with families doing this work, and
I just I've been so lucky so that I feel
like I've gotten to this point. My kids are seventeen,
(09:41):
thirteen and eleven now, and while I've spent time away
and I've worked on things that weren't in the city
that I lived in, I don't feel like I really
have missed anything great. I've really been a part of
most everything. You know, I've missed a game here and
there and a concert here and there, but I I've
made every effort to be around for those things. And
(10:02):
I so appreciate the situation that you're in because I've yeah,
I've lived it my whole adult life. And I guess
you know, the one thing is is I've never regretted
saying no to a job. You know, that's the way
I look. I will only regret saying no to one
of my kids, or my wife, or my family. And
(10:24):
looking back, and the same goes for you know, it's
almost impossible to say yes sometimes to like because we're
circus families. So someone's like, I'm getting married on August twelfth,
and you're like, probably, yeah, yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
To, oh yeah, the story of our life.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
My husband's in country music and it's I mean, his
brother is engaged, and he's like, oh, we're going to
plan a way and I was like, he barely made
it to ours, and we planned it in five days.
You know, Like I think we've literally only been to
one wedding together in eleven years, and it was my
own and mine. Yeah oh yeah, you're yeah too, yeah yeah,
But even though we didn't know up until the last
Until the last week, you're like coming, I'm like, great,
(11:00):
I saved to a seat.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah. While and if there and if there happened to
have been a gig or something that got passed up,
you wouldn't be looking back on that thing now. But
if you miss the wedding, you would yea. And so
I tend to just look at it through that kind
of prism. But it's not always that simple sometimes, you know.
I mean, I'd love to say that I'm in a
position where I you know, I don't have to work anymore.
(11:22):
I got to work, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, Well that's the thing that's the balance, because I'm like,
I can't say no to everything, so I'm gotta I
gotta pick and choose, you know, because I need to
work and support the family. And it's I and I
love what I do. That's the thing. Like I told
my daughter, I'm like, hey, I'm you can come out
for a week or you know, mommy won't see for
two and a half. And you know, but she's like, well,
I do want to miss my games. I'm like, I
get it totally. I was like, and I love what
(11:44):
I do, you know, and so Mommy also, you know,
it's it's like finding that too, and I'm curious with
you and you know, and doing your work as well.
What is the biggest advice with the older kids technology?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Like where where did you?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Because I think it's so like I'm I don't like technology. Listen,
I use it. It's how I pay my bills right
doing influencing stuff on the side. And so I tried
to talk to my daughter about this. She's like, but
you're on your phone. I was like, I am. She's like,
because she said, well, why are social media bad? I go,
It's not all bad, baby, I was like, and here
are the positives, I said, but there are also some
really not nice people out there too that like, it
(12:19):
hurts Mommy's heart when I when I see things, I said,
I don't want you to ever, you know, see that
for right now. And so because some of her friends,
I mean, she's in fourth grade and they're getting phones,
I'm like, this is like not it and it's not happening.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So you have your watch that you can talk to
me on. But as you because you're so public and
you've had things that have come to the headlines, like
how do you deal with that with your kids and
protect them in that and then deal with social media
and the parenting side of it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, well, look, the truth is I came on this
podcast because I was hoping you to tell me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
If you're looking for answers, We're got great therapy ideas
from our therapist.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But that's about to be your go base, got Wolf.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
But I should say, though, I'll take this moment to say, like,
this is lovely. Like it's a lot of podcasts feel
so sort of I don't know, for a netekin it's
like question answer, question answer, and this is just like,
this is lovely.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
We waited our whole lives to have this moment. You're
off the wall and on our screen.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It matters to us.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
So I guess what I would say, Well, look, the
first thing I would have to say, as almost any
parent in this time, in this age, would say that
it's like pretty much impossible, Like it's it's just unfair,
all of it. And so I think, just trying to
do the best you can day to day, you know,
I just try and do the best I can. And
(13:40):
so you know, I post it. Years ago, I posted
an instagram of my daughter Lucy when she was like
five or four five. I think she was five, because
you know, when my first son was born, you know,
we'd be walking him through the house and it would
be like he saw a screen, get a book. You
don't get a book, Put the book in this face.
(14:00):
There's like remove the screen from him. And then like
my five year old daughter, you know whatever, eight years later,
is sitting in front. She's got like a laptop in
front of her, head phones, the iPad over here. She's
like multi screening.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's going to be right.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But yeah, first kid, third kid. So the things that
I do think it's important to try and not you know,
I try and not be like an always or a
never person, you know, and I like to live a
little try and be a little more fluid. And this
stuff is moving so fast. If you had told me
my eleven year old would have a phone, if you
had told me that ten years ago, I didn't, like,
(14:39):
you're from another planet. You don't know who I am
as a dad or a human. My eleven year old
has a phone, and and it doesn't seem outlandish to me.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What are the rules with the phone? Is it?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Do you let her have it in the room, because
I've heard people that when it's around that age, it's
like it's only downstairs or like you don't have certain.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
No, because my view on it is like, you know,
it feels like it's it's an impossible thing to have kids,
you know, kids these days, and thinking they're not going
to get exposed to something somehow if it's not in
their room. I get it. I don't want a phone
in her room and behind closed doors, and and of
(15:33):
course I'm concerned about things she might be seeing. But
to me, the answer has always been in just the
communication between us, so that not if, but when she
is exposed to things that would that are horrifying to me,
that there is some kind of foundation in her of
understanding the kinds of things that you know, I don't
(15:57):
would not want her seeing. And you know, I felt
like with our oldest we went through this where you know,
he had a couple of friends who he was like
seeing stuff on their things. And so now you're like,
all right, well it's not in her room, but inevitably
there's going to be some kind of exposure. And then
then it comes down to like hopefully having open conversation
(16:18):
where you can go to your kids. They feel safe
coming to you to say I saw this thing and
it was weird and I didn't like it, or I
have a question about something, and you know, at the
end of the day, I like to I just really
don't have any crystal clear answers, and I'm a day
to day with it like most other parents out there,
(16:42):
and so.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, I think, yeah, because we're all trying to navigate
and now we're the first to do. And that's the
thing too, Like we were after our date night with
my husband. We were you know those cars that drive themselves,
and I go, gosh, this is just so crazy, how
what our kids are going to be because that's going
to probably take over uber at some point, or you
know that taxis ubertook Taxis and I'm just seeing the progression.
(17:03):
And as much as I long for how I was
raised in my childhood with no screens and being outside,
we have to navigate this, but long for the connection
that we didn't. There was Oh it was an Alanis Morsett.
She showed a concert video. Not one phone was out
in the view back in the nineties, you know, and
it's like, oh, I like long for that. And that's
(17:24):
like when we you, We got to absorb you. You know,
we weren't distracted and we could count on you.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Like it's such a now there's a relationship.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, so it's hard to parent when you again, like
that's a thing like with when we were at the lake,
I was like, Okay, you can have one hour of
technology and then one hour no on the ride, not
the full time.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's like that's the balance that I'm trying to find
because I am a little too crunchy I think with it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
But I do think that the balance to me, that
feels what is a good goal? Yeah, right, because I
think it's it's just grown so difficult. Look, my I
am in awe of like no screen families somehow when
their kids are you know, teenagers, and.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Do you let them have social media?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So our oldest does, so the middle one, our middle
son who's thirteen, he has so what he has TikTok Yeah,
and he makes these videos and stuff he creates with it,
and they're the funniest, most adorable things, and I love them.
I wish I could, like, you know, parse out the
like the scrolling side of it. But interestingly, he's just
(18:35):
I don't know, I don't. Each kid is also unique,
you know, each kid has their own appetite and their
own you know, you sort of think differently about how
their relationship to the screens. And you know, the things
I guess I worry the most about are you know,
one of the things that I think you were just
talking about, which is that it's just all input, you know.
(18:55):
And you know, when we used to ride to school
on a bus, you know, you literally just like like
counted hairs on the person in front of you, or
like looked out the window. And it sounds so sort
of crunchy now, but you know, you just had real world.
You had quiet, and you had some space to actually
(19:16):
invent and create and think of your own things and
not just have it at be inundated by someone else's
version of things. And I talk to my kids about
that a lot. I still see a ton of natural
creativity in them, of natural interest in the real world,
the sports they play, the friends they hang out with.
So it does feel like there's balance. My oldest we
(19:40):
moved around a lot in you know, early pandemic time,
and that was hard on everybody, but it was very
hard on him. He was early like eleven twelve thirteen,
So those were tough years to kind of be school hopping,
and so he kind of became very insular. He was
on his computer all the time, and it used to
just like break our hearts seeing that his sort of
(20:02):
world lived in this screen. What I knew was he
would outgrow it. And if I just you know, threw
his computer out the window, it wasn't going to give
us the end result we wanted. And waiting that out
was excruciating, you know, because it was day after day
watching his light did be dim and his world be
so small. And now you know, now he's kind of
(20:25):
had you know what the kids are calling a glow up,
and he's you know, he's a pretty kid, and he's
really funny and sweet and smart. And so now I'm like,
get back in your room and get on the head
yeah writing.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, don't be too hot. What are you doing You're seventeen.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He is out there with So I think, like one
of my things that I have to be mindful of
when my daughter starts to Google, because there's going to
be things that have been very public about my ex husband,
you know, her dad on socials, and it's like, I know,
I need to have a kind of conversation with her,
because if she doesn't google, someone else will google and
(20:59):
then say what that thing that happened in our marriage was.
And so I'm like, how how do you do that? Like,
how do you talk through things that people write about
you before they see it?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah? Well, I mean I do just that, you know,
I have the conversation before, you know, whether it's something
they read or someone at school comes up and it's
like I read this, you know, without going into great detail.
You know, our family went through a really really difficult
thing this past you know year especially, but a little
(21:33):
longer than that, and it became public and that's the
first time that we've ever really dealt with anything like that.
You know, their dad has been on you know, a
talk show talking about the work, and people have been
like your dad's you know, an actor, but it was
never our personal lives. And and that was you know,
pretty pretty horrific, just feeling like they were going to
(21:57):
have to be deal with that, you know about to
be honest, like what was going on in our own
home was so important to be dealing with and manage
the public side of it wasn't really our focus at all.
(22:17):
But I knew that they were going to be confronted
by it, and that they do have phones, especially our oldest,
and you know, they were seeing my my middle guy
on his TikTok, and and then friends at school would
talk about it. You know, a couple of things. I'll say.
The first thing is, you know, we're lucky. I live
in Park City, Utah here, and it's uh, it's just
(22:40):
it's a beautiful town, and it's a it's a real
community has kind of changed and as this town has
grown over the last few years, but people really kind
of wrapped their arms around us and knew that we
were going through something hard, and rather than it being
like people snickering and you know, looking at us at
the market, it was it just felt like we got
a big hug from this place. And so that was
(23:01):
that was pretty remarkable. And everyone at the schools and
even these kids, you know, that's to say, like, for
all of the exposure they're having that horrifies us, they're
also being exposed to like layers of life and different experiences,
and they're way more compassionate and empathetic than we were,
I think, you know, and so rather than kids like
(23:24):
you know, making fun of them about what was happening.
It was just different. They just really you know, every
kid's going goes through versions of something hard in their
own lives.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I like to believe that there's a shift happening too,
even from some of these reality shows that are showing
their personal lives, that there is a shift in people
going listen behind closed doors. It we all struggle with
something and it's hard. You know, marriage is hard, being
a mom is hard. Work is hard. Like it's we
all make mistakes, we all it's it's it's all learning,
(23:54):
growing and just having empathy. And I feel a certain
type of shift with people reaching out to those people,
people that have gone through something, and that's that's how
I want to you know, that's how I hope what
I hope at least for myself and for everybody. You know,
but there's that empathy.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Hug.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I agree, I mean, I I completely agree. I feel
like you can sense, you know, the pendulum sort of
swung way out this way where everything online was this
kind of highly curated you know.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We're perfect, everything is great, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, And I think there's a real swing back to
you know, let's put things out there that feel more
authentic and more honest, and that's a good thing for everybody.
Uh And and you know when this, when when what
was happening with us first got made public, I was like,
you know, I was pretty shaken by it, just because, uh,
(24:51):
it's just bizarre to to have you know, things would happen.
And then it's like, you know, it's in People magazine
two days later, and it was it was wild, you know.
And there's there's a lot of people at a certain
level of celebrity that deal with that far too often,
even if it's not some horrifying thing, it's just that
they went to you know, Ralph's. But uh, you know,
(25:16):
I do again. I feel like so much of it
comes down to communication, because every time I could sit
down with my daughter and say, hey, this kind of
thing might get said, and I want you to know
this is how I feel about it, and this is
how you know. I want you to know you're safe
(25:37):
for these reasons, and this is the truth. You might
hear this, and then I can just sort of breathe
and go whatever she's exposed to, you know, whatever she sees, she.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Knows the truth from you, and Dad spoke truth into her.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And safety.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, I also think just your ownership of anything. I
think there's a big swing in the way that parenting
is happening because we all did grow up in a
little bit of a sweet spot, even though we were
grown most of us were raised by wildly avoidant parents.
You know, like there's this really precious sweet spot in
the era that we grew up that we can kind
(26:13):
of like give them the best of that and then
also given them the best of like a healthy brain
and the communication and the ownership. And it feels, yeah,
today I lost my shit on them, and I need
to add the boss to be like, you know what,
Mommy was really stressed and I'm sorry, And that's the
ownership piece and that's just them coming in and they
did trust us when we come to them and say
things too.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I think that's huge. I do I because and look
full disclosure without well, not full disclosure, but some disclosure.
I went through like a really low period a couple
of years ago, and it was really hard for me
because I had always I just had this unhealthy version
of like super Dad, perfect, never flawed, never breaks, never cracks,
(26:56):
never isn't there for you. One hundred percent of all
the things, and I had to recover really from that.
But what came out the other side was this like
this really remarkable new thing which was so much more
authentic and and and ultimately, you know, the previous thing,
(27:18):
the sort of flawless super never was really an illusion.
And so I think the more we come to know
each other as just authentic human beings and we're capable,
and we're flawed and we you know, we lose at
the bus stop and it.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Was maj.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Cleaning for the cleaning ladies. Got it really is something
over here. We want to celebrate the you know, Doc
(27:58):
got picked up for a third season. That is amazing,
almost impossible. And if you need a new doc on
the show, I will travel for a hire.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
How do you look in green?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Great?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
She looks phenomenal in every color.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
She's blue, it's blue.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
She does that better?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, Michigan blue go blue.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So I mean talk about that, so, you know, because
we obviously want to promote your show, and I mean
what what is made? And you also directed as well
as when the last episode I believe, so you know,
talk about talk about Doc and and putting on that outfit.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Well, I appreciate you asking me about it. I'm remarkably
proud to be part.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Of the showy seasons. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yes, great, it's they do not give away seasons easily
these days now, so Les yeah again.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
If you need a sidekick, doc, you need some sort
of pa.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I will hire for crafting.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Okay, you crafty too? Sure? I Well, look, when I
first got on this show, I told the producers, I'm like,
I'll do craft service, I will do wardrobe. Just I
want to be a part of it. Yeah, because it
was really special on the page you could tell, but
I was not. So for anyone who hasn't seen it,
(29:17):
it's this really, really really remarkable medical show on Fox
and streams next day on Hulu. Always the salesman, and
it's basically centers around this doctor who gets in a
terrible car accident, loses eight years of her memory, and
that injury to her. During this window of time that
(29:39):
she's lost, her whole life has basically turned one hundred
and eighty degrees. She lost a child, her marriage fell apart.
She ostensibly became kind of a different person and a
different doctor based on all the things that had happened
in her life. And now she wakes up and she's
she's kind of been reset to the person before all
that happened, and this journey of her reconciling all of that,
(30:03):
who she was, who she feels like, who she's finding
out she became, what parts of herself she wants to maintain,
what parts of herself she needs to, you know, change,
But it has ripple effects to everyone in this in
the world, at this hospital, and it's just beautifully, beautifully done. So,
(30:25):
you know, the show at its most basic level is
a true is a hospital show. So it's a couple
of cases and these medical mysteries, they're internal medicine.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm a I'm a big doc show, and that's always
I'm like, I want on a procedural, you know, because
I just feel like they're just they get to be.
People love them like they're great shows. But you still
you have the heart, you have the I love the
you know again, what she went through, and just love
the storyline with it. It just it feels like it
has more heart than some of the other procedurals, which
is why I really like it.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Well, what what's what's necessary anymore, right is the days
of just being like, here's two cases, watch watch us
solve them. Those are sort of bias and audiences need more, really,
they need to be able to to grab onto characters
and to root for people and against people, and this
show does this remarkable. It just balances everything beautifully. And
(31:21):
Molly Parker, who plays the lead Doctors, is incredible. She's
a beautiful actor, and everyone, everyone in this group. I'm
just really proud to be a part of it. And
I was the I was the bad guy, you know,
the antagonist in season one, and he was only ever
supposed to last one season, so I'm kind of pulling
(31:44):
I'm pulling my uh my, Jesse Pinkman. You know, there's
this lore about Breaking Bad where Aaron Paul's character was
only ever supposed to be around for I think the
first season at most, possibly even not the full season,
and once they started to see the chemistry and the
stories that were being told through his character, they were like,
he's not going anywhere. So thankfully, you know, I thought
(32:06):
I might be doing craft service in season two if
I was ever going to be around, because as season
one ended, he was fired and he had he was
I refer to him as the accidental villain because he's
this like really good person, a good doctor, a good father,
a good partner and colleague who makes a terrible mistake
(32:28):
under a great deal of pressure and then feels scared
to come clean so he lies about it and then
he has to cover it up, and suddenly he's the
bad guy he never thought he would be. And so
when I got the call saying they had they wanted
to bring him back this season and had figured out
a way to do it, and they invited me to
direct an episode, I was like, yeah, I mean, pinching myself.
(32:50):
And it doesn't go without saying that, Like it shouldn't
go without saying that, you know, with all this stuff
we're talking about before, you know, this is not a
time where I never take the opportunities I'm given to
do work that I can be proud of, for granted,
but this showed up at a time in life where yeah,
(33:13):
I mean kind of feel saved by the show in
some ways, and so it's my It's an honor and
a pleasure to be able to pour myself into it.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, Scott, thank you so much for coming on and
just sharing your heart. And everyone watched doc on Tuesday
night on Fox or streaming the next day on Hulu.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
There's your little plug too.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Fancy grat Scott, Well, seriously, you've just got to such
a great heart and I just really appreciate you for
coming on.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Thank you so much. We'll have to do it again.
Thank you both.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Absolutely
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This week's special guest, We've got Scott wolf On.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Do I tell him he was on my wall when
I was a.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Child or no? I think you should. Will that get awkward?
Are you two friends? No?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
He has no idea who I am.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh, okay, Okay, Well, I just don't know if I
was like in my jam of course Bailey forever. I know,
like I remember the first time I met Lacy Shaver
and I'm like, oh my god, I up the other day.
But you don't know me, right, So I stop trying
to make that happen. Okay, But I think he's amazing
(00:39):
and I am just you know, he's got his new
show doc so let's see how I embarrass myself. Let's
get him on HI. All right, how are you so good?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Scott?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
This is really I just actually this is just like
wildly fun to me that I get to talk to you.
I haven't felt like this sends Matthew McConaughey to be honest, yeah,
because there's just iconic men in our world.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We both have men trushes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
She has Matthew on my wall, but I had you
on my wall.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Wow, this is.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You want to hear a nutty story.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, tell me all of the stories. I know you
didn't have me on your side. You don't even know I.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
My name is Jane. It's lovely to meet you.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I know who you are. When I was like I
don't know. Halfway through that old show through party at five,
I took a girl I was dating at the time
to see my old house and I was like, I'm
going to knock on the door. I don't even know
who's living here. I want to see who's living So
I went up and I knocked on the door and
(01:48):
this woman answers the door and I was like Hi.
I was like, you don't know me, but I used
to live here. And she's like, oh my god, and
she goes, honey, get Jessica like this, and I was like, oh,
I don't mean to interrupt your day. I just I
used to live here.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And she's like, I know what Jessica's screaming.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Jessica comes down from all the screaming and Jessica is
like fifteen years old and she starts freaking out. So
they watched the show. Jessica is like a fan of
the show, and I said, you know, I haven't been
back here since we moved out of here. It's been
a long time. And she was like, would you want
to look around? And I was like that'd be great.
So we start doing this little tour of the house.
(02:32):
Well she's like, Jessica said, do you want to see
my room? And I'm like sure. So we go up
to her room. So she's in my old room and
over her bed is a poster of me.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Wow, And it was like, oh, it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Was so twilight zoned because I was like, that just
doesn't like this is a simulation we're living in. How
am I traveling back into this old my old bedroom
and there's a poster of me on the wall.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It was bizarro crazy?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Because you Party of Five was so iconic for our
I mean it just was. It was tender, and it
was cozy and it was just it just was lovely
and it's just a part of our DNA. But did
you know while you were doing it that it was
going to be what it was? Because you know, you
hear from like the cast of Friends and those interviews
they kind of talk about like we didn't we were
just so it doesn't feel like it hits in the time.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, I think our families were a bit uh huh.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It was it felt like I had a family within
you guys, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like that, it was it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Was wholesome and then and gave us a little bit
of a litmus test for maybe what family should feel like.
And so that's why you were so important to us,
or more important to us.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Sure, and that part there's there was no way to
have any sense of that that because in a weird
sort of you know, television real life way, people sort
of grew up with us. You know, we sort of
grew up together, and that means something different than just
the show you liked. And so all these years later, yeah,
(04:04):
there's people who come up and when people are like,
oh my god, Party of Five, they don't sound like
they watched it twenty five years ago. They sound like
they watched it last Wednesday. So that, you know, once
the show got going, you know, because we were like
an endangered series in the beginning. It was you know,
it was a time where you know, if you didn't
(04:25):
have decent enough ratings, they would cancel you, and they
still do. But the whole first season we didn't know
if we were ever going to survive into a second season.
And so once the show sort of got a footing
and we could, we won, Like the show got nominated
out of Nowhere for a Golden Globe in its second year,
and we won up against all these like Juggernaut, big
(04:47):
giant grown up series and that sort of put us
on the map a bit and made people go, oh,
wait a minute, what is that? And and from that
point on we knew at least we were going to
get to run and tell tell us story. And that
was the most heartbreaking thing early on, was like we
can feel how important this could be, but people might
(05:08):
never get a chance to stay with it because they
might cancel it. And Fox, to their credit still employing
me to this day, stuck with it and kept it
on the air. And so so yeah, while there's no
way if you had told me, you know, twenty five
years from now, people are going to run up to
in airports and have tears in their eyes and say
(05:30):
that show really really meant so much to me and
help me in this way and help me understand my
family in this way. And yeah, I'm still I mean,
I get you know, all the clem talking about it
because it's you know, it's it's not a given that
this work that we do is going to really mean
something to people in that way, and so I'm forever
(05:51):
proud of that.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I have a question about balance, you know, I recently
just passed on a movie offer that I mean, I honestly,
I think my manager is about to drop me because
she's so pissed. It doesn't understand like why I didn't
take the movie. It was going to be a month
in the Dominican Republic, and you know, for me, I'm like,
I've got a two, seven and ten year old, right,
and so my balance between taking jobs and being a mom.
(06:12):
It's baseball season, it's softball season, it's and you know,
she had made a comment, well, you know, maybe you
shouldn't be an actor, and I'm like, well, listen, I
also am a mom first, right, So that's my number
one and I you know, hopefully something else will come up,
which you know there is. But at the same time,
for me, I am struggling with that. I don't want
(06:33):
to miss the ages of where my kids are at
right now, Like in ten years, they're they're not going
to have summers with me anymore. And they're not going
to be doing things. But I'm also like I have
to work right, but I'm struggling with the balance. And
I'm curious, now that you have older kids, have you
looked back and gone, man, I maybe I should have
taken more time with this, or like, what is something
that you can kind of help I guess my balance
(06:56):
heart with that because I am struggling. I'm like, well,
maybe I'm not supposed to be in No, maybe I'm
not cut for this at this moment.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, I think what you're
talking about, this whole work life balance is probably this
central challenge in the majority of people with children's lives,
and it's next to impossible because there is no really
getting it right. There's no right or wrong. You know,
it really is just a personal thing, and it changes
(07:25):
over time. You know, there's periods of your life. You know.
I remember having chunks of my life where I was like, well,
during this time, I will not be away from these
children and my wife. And then it got to a
time where I was like, oh, wait a minute, We've
got a little bit of runway here. It feels like
if I'm coming and going and they're doing their thing,
and I, you know, so long as I don't ever
(07:45):
stay away for that. That was a big thing for me,
was we had this like you know, it was like
I was very, very lucky to most of the time
have like a five day rule where I wouldn't ever
be gone for more than five days, even if I've
been coming home for thirty six hours.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, like that's what I'm doing. I'm going now to
go do something. It's only for two and a half weeks,
which is easier on my mom heart. It's not a month, right,
but all I'm going to come home on Saturday to
catch the baseball game with the flyback Sunday to get
you know, but it's I couldn't do that in the Dominican,
you know.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So it's like, yeah, and it'll be you know. I
wish I could tell you that it gets easier or that,
or that it gets simpler. It doesn't. It's just a
constant and each you know, each time you're confronting with it,
it's its own decision. Where are the kids, how old
are the kids, how you know steady do they feel?
Is one of them going through a thing? Are three
(08:38):
of them going through a thing? And yeah, like you said,
how far is it? I've been so blessed, and I
just shout out, you know, I couldn't name them if
I tried, but I have worked with the loveliest people
in this industry who had so much compassion and understanding,
(09:00):
and they were just so good at accommodating. They knew
how important my family was to me, and so you know,
you know, in this business, it's tricky. You know, you
just say, like, hey, I got a thing on next Thursday,
I can't work, and that's like, you know, nineteen hours
of meetings for one hundred and twelve people to figure
(09:20):
out how to make that work. So you know, we
don't take this branded and I never expect people to
bend over backwards just to accommodate my schedule, because there's
a lot of people with families doing this work, and
I just I've been so lucky so that I feel
like I've gotten to this point. My kids are seventeen,
(09:41):
thirteen and eleven now, and while I've spent time away
and I've worked on things that weren't in the city
that I lived in, I don't feel like I really
have missed anything great. I've really been a part of
most everything. You know, I've missed a game here and
there and a concert here and there, but I I've
made every effort to be around for those things. And
(10:02):
I so appreciate the situation that you're in because I've yeah,
I've lived it my whole adult life. And I guess
you know, the one thing is is I've never regretted
saying no to a job. You know, that's the way
I look. I will only regret saying no to one
of my kids, or my wife, or my family. And
(10:24):
looking back, and the same goes for you know, it's
almost impossible to say yes sometimes to like because we're
circus families. So someone's like, I'm getting married on August twelfth,
and you're like, probably, yeah, yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
To, oh yeah, the story of our life.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
My husband's in country music and it's I mean, his
brother is engaged, and he's like, oh, we're going to
plan a way and I was like, he barely made
it to ours, and we planned it in five days.
You know, Like I think we've literally only been to
one wedding together in eleven years, and it was my
own and mine. Yeah oh yeah, you're yeah too, yeah yeah,
But even though we didn't know up until the last
Until the last week, you're like coming, I'm like, great,
(11:00):
I saved to a seat.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah. While and if there and if there happened to
have been a gig or something that got passed up,
you wouldn't be looking back on that thing now. But
if you miss the wedding, you would yea. And so
I tend to just look at it through that kind
of prism. But it's not always that simple sometimes, you know.
I mean, I'd love to say that I'm in a
position where I you know, I don't have to work anymore.
(11:22):
I got to work, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, Well that's the thing that's the balance, because I'm like,
I can't say no to everything, so I'm gotta I
gotta pick and choose, you know, because I need to
work and support the family. And it's I and I
love what I do. That's the thing. Like I told
my daughter, I'm like, hey, I'm you can come out
for a week or you know, mommy won't see for
two and a half. And you know, but she's like, well,
I do want to miss my games. I'm like, I
get it totally. I was like, and I love what
(11:44):
I do, you know, and so Mommy also, you know,
it's it's like finding that too, and I'm curious with
you and you know, and doing your work as well.
What is the biggest advice with the older kids technology?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Like where where did you?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Because I think it's so like I'm I don't like technology. Listen,
I use it. It's how I pay my bills right
doing influencing stuff on the side. And so I tried
to talk to my daughter about this. She's like, but
you're on your phone. I was like, I am. She's like,
because she said, well, why are social media bad? I go,
It's not all bad, baby, I was like, and here
are the positives, I said, but there are also some
really not nice people out there too that like, it
(12:19):
hurts Mommy's heart when I when I see things, I said,
I don't want you to ever, you know, see that
for right now. And so because some of her friends,
I mean, she's in fourth grade and they're getting phones,
I'm like, this is like not it and it's not happening.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So you have your watch that you can talk to
me on. But as you because you're so public and
you've had things that have come to the headlines, like
how do you deal with that with your kids and
protect them in that and then deal with social media
and the parenting side of it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, well, look, the truth is I came on this
podcast because I was hoping you to tell me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
If you're looking for answers, We're got great therapy ideas
from our therapist.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But that's about to be your go base, got Wolf.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
But I should say, though, I'll take this moment to say, like,
this is lovely. Like it's a lot of podcasts feel
so sort of I don't know, for a netekin it's
like question answer, question answer, and this is just like,
this is lovely.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
We waited our whole lives to have this moment. You're
off the wall and on our screen.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It matters to us.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
So I guess what I would say, Well, look, the
first thing I would have to say, as almost any
parent in this time, in this age, would say that
it's like pretty much impossible, Like it's it's just unfair,
all of it. And so I think, just trying to
do the best you can day to day, you know,
I just try and do the best I can. And
(13:40):
so you know, I post it. Years ago, I posted
an instagram of my daughter Lucy when she was like
five or four five. I think she was five, because
you know, when my first son was born, you know,
we'd be walking him through the house and it would
be like he saw a screen, get a book. You
don't get a book, Put the book in this face.
(14:00):
There's like remove the screen from him. And then like
my five year old daughter, you know whatever, eight years later,
is sitting in front. She's got like a laptop in
front of her, head phones, the iPad over here. She's
like multi screening.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's going to be right.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But yeah, first kid, third kid. So the things that
I do think it's important to try and not you know,
I try and not be like an always or a
never person, you know, and I like to live a
little try and be a little more fluid. And this
stuff is moving so fast. If you had told me
my eleven year old would have a phone, if you
had told me that ten years ago, I didn't, like,
(14:39):
you're from another planet. You don't know who I am
as a dad or a human. My eleven year old
has a phone, and and it doesn't seem outlandish to me.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What are the rules with the phone? Is it?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Do you let her have it in the room, because
I've heard people that when it's around that age, it's
like it's only downstairs or like you don't have certain.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
No, because my view on it is like, you know,
it feels like it's it's an impossible thing to have kids,
you know, kids these days, and thinking they're not going
to get exposed to something somehow if it's not in
their room. I get it. I don't want a phone
in her room and behind closed doors, and and of
(15:33):
course I'm concerned about things she might be seeing. But
to me, the answer has always been in just the
communication between us, so that not if, but when she
is exposed to things that would that are horrifying to me,
that there is some kind of foundation in her of
understanding the kinds of things that you know, I don't
(15:57):
would not want her seeing. And you know, I felt
like with our oldest we went through this where you know,
he had a couple of friends who he was like
seeing stuff on their things. And so now you're like,
all right, well it's not in her room, but inevitably
there's going to be some kind of exposure. And then
then it comes down to like hopefully having open conversation
(16:18):
where you can go to your kids. They feel safe
coming to you to say I saw this thing and
it was weird and I didn't like it, or I
have a question about something, and you know, at the
end of the day, I like to I just really
don't have any crystal clear answers, and I'm a day
to day with it like most other parents out there,
(16:42):
and so.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, I think, yeah, because we're all trying to navigate
and now we're the first to do. And that's the
thing too, Like we were after our date night with
my husband. We were you know those cars that drive themselves,
and I go, gosh, this is just so crazy, how
what our kids are going to be because that's going
to probably take over uber at some point, or you
know that taxis ubertook Taxis and I'm just seeing the progression.
(17:03):
And as much as I long for how I was
raised in my childhood with no screens and being outside,
we have to navigate this, but long for the connection
that we didn't. There was Oh it was an Alanis Morsett.
She showed a concert video. Not one phone was out
in the view back in the nineties, you know, and
it's like, oh, I like long for that. And that's
(17:24):
like when we you, We got to absorb you. You know,
we weren't distracted and we could count on you.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Like it's such a now there's a relationship.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, so it's hard to parent when you again, like
that's a thing like with when we were at the lake,
I was like, Okay, you can have one hour of
technology and then one hour no on the ride, not
the full time.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's like that's the balance that I'm trying to find
because I am a little too crunchy I think with it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
But I do think that the balance to me, that
feels what is a good goal? Yeah, right, because I
think it's it's just grown so difficult. Look, my I
am in awe of like no screen families somehow when
their kids are you know, teenagers, and.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Do you let them have social media?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So our oldest does, so the middle one, our middle
son who's thirteen, he has so what he has TikTok Yeah,
and he makes these videos and stuff he creates with it,
and they're the funniest, most adorable things, and I love them.
I wish I could, like, you know, parse out the
like the scrolling side of it. But interestingly, he's just
(18:35):
I don't know, I don't. Each kid is also unique,
you know, each kid has their own appetite and their
own you know, you sort of think differently about how
their relationship to the screens. And you know, the things
I guess I worry the most about are you know,
one of the things that I think you were just
talking about, which is that it's just all input, you know.
(18:55):
And you know, when we used to ride to school
on a bus, you know, you literally just like like
counted hairs on the person in front of you, or
like looked out the window. And it sounds so sort
of crunchy now, but you know, you just had real world.
You had quiet, and you had some space to actually
(19:16):
invent and create and think of your own things and
not just have it at be inundated by someone else's
version of things. And I talk to my kids about
that a lot. I still see a ton of natural
creativity in them, of natural interest in the real world,
the sports they play, the friends they hang out with.
So it does feel like there's balance. My oldest we
(19:40):
moved around a lot in you know, early pandemic time,
and that was hard on everybody, but it was very
hard on him. He was early like eleven twelve thirteen,
So those were tough years to kind of be school hopping,
and so he kind of became very insular. He was
on his computer all the time, and it used to
just like break our hearts seeing that his sort of
(20:02):
world lived in this screen. What I knew was he
would outgrow it. And if I just you know, threw
his computer out the window, it wasn't going to give
us the end result we wanted. And waiting that out
was excruciating, you know, because it was day after day
watching his light did be dim and his world be
so small. And now you know, now he's kind of
(20:25):
had you know what the kids are calling a glow up,
and he's you know, he's a pretty kid, and he's
really funny and sweet and smart. And so now I'm like,
get back in your room and get on the head
yeah writing.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, don't be too hot. What are you doing You're seventeen.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He is out there with So I think, like one
of my things that I have to be mindful of
when my daughter starts to Google, because there's going to
be things that have been very public about my ex husband,
you know, her dad on socials, and it's like, I know,
I need to have a kind of conversation with her,
because if she doesn't google, someone else will google and
(20:59):
then say what that thing that happened in our marriage was.
And so I'm like, how how do you do that? Like,
how do you talk through things that people write about
you before they see it?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah? Well, I mean I do just that, you know,
I have the conversation before, you know, whether it's something
they read or someone at school comes up and it's
like I read this, you know, without going into great detail.
You know, our family went through a really really difficult
thing this past you know year especially, but a little
(21:33):
longer than that, and it became public and that's the
first time that we've ever really dealt with anything like that.
You know, their dad has been on you know, a
talk show talking about the work, and people have been
like your dad's you know, an actor, but it was
never our personal lives. And and that was you know,
pretty pretty horrific, just feeling like they were going to
(21:57):
have to be deal with that, you know about to
be honest, like what was going on in our own
home was so important to be dealing with and manage
the public side of it wasn't really our focus at all.
(22:17):
But I knew that they were going to be confronted
by it, and that they do have phones, especially our oldest,
and you know, they were seeing my my middle guy
on his TikTok, and and then friends at school would
talk about it. You know, a couple of things. I'll say.
The first thing is, you know, we're lucky. I live
in Park City, Utah here, and it's uh, it's just
(22:40):
it's a beautiful town, and it's a it's a real
community has kind of changed and as this town has
grown over the last few years, but people really kind
of wrapped their arms around us and knew that we
were going through something hard, and rather than it being
like people snickering and you know, looking at us at
the market, it was it just felt like we got
a big hug from this place. And so that was
(23:01):
that was pretty remarkable. And everyone at the schools and
even these kids, you know, that's to say, like, for
all of the exposure they're having that horrifies us, they're
also being exposed to like layers of life and different experiences,
and they're way more compassionate and empathetic than we were,
I think, you know, and so rather than kids like
(23:24):
you know, making fun of them about what was happening.
It was just different. They just really you know, every
kid's going goes through versions of something hard in their
own lives.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I like to believe that there's a shift happening too,
even from some of these reality shows that are showing
their personal lives, that there is a shift in people
going listen behind closed doors. It we all struggle with
something and it's hard. You know, marriage is hard, being
a mom is hard. Work is hard. Like it's we
all make mistakes, we all it's it's it's all learning,
(23:54):
growing and just having empathy. And I feel a certain
type of shift with people reaching out to those people,
people that have gone through something, and that's that's how
I want to you know, that's how I hope what
I hope at least for myself and for everybody. You know,
but there's that empathy.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Hug.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I agree, I mean, I I completely agree. I feel
like you can sense, you know, the pendulum sort of
swung way out this way where everything online was this
kind of highly curated you know.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We're perfect, everything is great, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, And I think there's a real swing back to
you know, let's put things out there that feel more
authentic and more honest, and that's a good thing for everybody.
Uh And and you know when this, when when what
was happening with us first got made public, I was like,
you know, I was pretty shaken by it, just because, uh,
(24:51):
it's just bizarre to to have you know, things would happen.
And then it's like, you know, it's in People magazine
two days later, and it was it was wild, you know.
And there's there's a lot of people at a certain
level of celebrity that deal with that far too often,
even if it's not some horrifying thing, it's just that
they went to you know, Ralph's. But uh, you know,
(25:16):
I do again. I feel like so much of it
comes down to communication, because every time I could sit
down with my daughter and say, hey, this kind of
thing might get said, and I want you to know
this is how I feel about it, and this is
how you know. I want you to know you're safe
(25:37):
for these reasons, and this is the truth. You might
hear this, and then I can just sort of breathe
and go whatever she's exposed to, you know, whatever she sees, she.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Knows the truth from you, and Dad spoke truth into her.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And safety.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, I also think just your ownership of anything. I
think there's a big swing in the way that parenting
is happening because we all did grow up in a
little bit of a sweet spot, even though we were
grown most of us were raised by wildly avoidant parents.
You know, like there's this really precious sweet spot in
the era that we grew up that we can kind
(26:13):
of like give them the best of that and then
also given them the best of like a healthy brain
and the communication and the ownership. And it feels, yeah,
today I lost my shit on them, and I need
to add the boss to be like, you know what,
Mommy was really stressed and I'm sorry, And that's the
ownership piece and that's just them coming in and they
did trust us when we come to them and say
things too.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I think that's huge. I do I because and look
full disclosure without well, not full disclosure, but some disclosure.
I went through like a really low period a couple
of years ago, and it was really hard for me
because I had always I just had this unhealthy version
of like super Dad, perfect, never flawed, never breaks, never cracks,
(26:56):
never isn't there for you. One hundred percent of all
the things, and I had to recover really from that.
But what came out the other side was this like
this really remarkable new thing which was so much more
authentic and and and ultimately, you know, the previous thing,
(27:18):
the sort of flawless super never was really an illusion.
And so I think the more we come to know
each other as just authentic human beings and we're capable,
and we're flawed and we you know, we lose at
the bus stop and it.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Was maj.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Cleaning for the cleaning ladies. Got it really is something
over here. We want to celebrate the you know, Doc
(27:58):
got picked up for a third season. That is amazing,
almost impossible. And if you need a new doc on
the show, I will travel for a hire.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
How do you look in green?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Great?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
She looks phenomenal in every color.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
She's blue, it's blue.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
She does that better?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, Michigan blue go blue.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So I mean talk about that, so, you know, because
we obviously want to promote your show, and I mean
what what is made? And you also directed as well
as when the last episode I believe, so you know,
talk about talk about Doc and and putting on that outfit.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Well, I appreciate you asking me about it. I'm remarkably
proud to be part.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Of the showy seasons. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yes, great, it's they do not give away seasons easily
these days now, so Les yeah again.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
If you need a sidekick, doc, you need some sort
of pa.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I will hire for crafting.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Okay, you crafty too? Sure? I Well, look, when I
first got on this show, I told the producers, I'm like,
I'll do craft service, I will do wardrobe. Just I
want to be a part of it. Yeah, because it
was really special on the page you could tell, but
I was not. So for anyone who hasn't seen it,
(29:17):
it's this really, really really remarkable medical show on Fox
and streams next day on Hulu. Always the salesman, and
it's basically centers around this doctor who gets in a
terrible car accident, loses eight years of her memory, and
that injury to her. During this window of time that
(29:39):
she's lost, her whole life has basically turned one hundred
and eighty degrees. She lost a child, her marriage fell apart.
She ostensibly became kind of a different person and a
different doctor based on all the things that had happened
in her life. And now she wakes up and she's
she's kind of been reset to the person before all
that happened, and this journey of her reconciling all of that,
(30:03):
who she was, who she feels like, who she's finding
out she became, what parts of herself she wants to maintain,
what parts of herself she needs to, you know, change,
But it has ripple effects to everyone in this in
the world, at this hospital, and it's just beautifully, beautifully done. So,
(30:25):
you know, the show at its most basic level is
a true is a hospital show. So it's a couple
of cases and these medical mysteries, they're internal medicine.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm a I'm a big doc show, and that's always
I'm like, I want on a procedural, you know, because
I just feel like they're just they get to be.
People love them like they're great shows. But you still
you have the heart, you have the I love the
you know again, what she went through, and just love
the storyline with it. It just it feels like it
has more heart than some of the other procedurals, which
is why I really like it.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Well, what what's what's necessary anymore, right is the days
of just being like, here's two cases, watch watch us
solve them. Those are sort of bias and audiences need more, really,
they need to be able to to grab onto characters
and to root for people and against people, and this
show does this remarkable. It just balances everything beautifully. And
(31:21):
Molly Parker, who plays the lead Doctors, is incredible. She's
a beautiful actor, and everyone, everyone in this group. I'm
just really proud to be a part of it. And
I was the I was the bad guy, you know,
the antagonist in season one, and he was only ever
supposed to last one season, so I'm kind of pulling
(31:44):
I'm pulling my uh my, Jesse Pinkman. You know, there's
this lore about Breaking Bad where Aaron Paul's character was
only ever supposed to be around for I think the
first season at most, possibly even not the full season,
and once they started to see the chemistry and the
stories that were being told through his character, they were like,
he's not going anywhere. So thankfully, you know, I thought
(32:06):
I might be doing craft service in season two if
I was ever going to be around, because as season
one ended, he was fired and he had he was
I refer to him as the accidental villain because he's
this like really good person, a good doctor, a good father,
a good partner and colleague who makes a terrible mistake
(32:28):
under a great deal of pressure and then feels scared
to come clean so he lies about it and then
he has to cover it up, and suddenly he's the
bad guy he never thought he would be. And so
when I got the call saying they had they wanted
to bring him back this season and had figured out
a way to do it, and they invited me to
direct an episode, I was like, yeah, I mean, pinching myself.
(32:50):
And it doesn't go without saying that, Like it shouldn't
go without saying that, you know, with all this stuff
we're talking about before, you know, this is not a
time where I never take the opportunities I'm given to
do work that I can be proud of, for granted,
but this showed up at a time in life where yeah,
(33:13):
I mean kind of feel saved by the show in
some ways, and so it's my It's an honor and
a pleasure to be able to pour myself into it.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, Scott, thank you so much for coming on and
just sharing your heart. And everyone watched doc on Tuesday
night on Fox or streaming the next day on Hulu.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
There's your little plug too.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Fancy grat Scott, Well, seriously, you've just got to such
a great heart and I just really appreciate you for
coming on.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Thank you so much. We'll have to do it again.
Thank you both.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Absolutely
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