Jana fills us in on her experience directing for the first time, and she shares a major revelation she had while on set.
Kristen is visiting her husband down in Florida and she’s implemented a strict rule that could change the affection in their marriage.
Plus, don’t you hate coming home late and the kids aren’t ready for bed?? And what do you do about an overbearing mother in law?? Jana and Kristen get into it all!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey Girl,
Why I miss you? I sent a very co dependent
message yesterday you did. But what's so funny. I think
we said it's been four hundred and how many thousand days?
Four hundred and I said I miss you, and I said,
(00:23):
that's dramatic, but it feels accurate. It's crazy, though, because
I've been watching your stories and I'm like, where I
feel like you've been ten places in a week. I have. Actually,
you were in Florida for to your competition. Where are
you now Florida again? Okay, we went to Pensacola for
to your Competition. We came home four I was home
(00:46):
for thirty six hours and then I this is actually
really good for you and I to talk about because
I reluctantly I know what I have to do. Like
the phrase get to me is what always connects me
in Preston right, It's what saved our relationship at the
very beginning, and he desperately wanted me on this trip,
but it is very much a work trip for him.
Like I saw him for the first time I landed
(01:07):
yesterday at twelve thirty. I saw him for the first
time at like five, So I had to manage myself
to go like, Okay, I'm going to get there and
I'm going to do I know that I also need
the break from my kids after you know, driving them
tune from Pensacola. And I just want to plant it
as a seed for women like me who are like
(01:29):
I don't want to do that. That's a waste of
time or that's a waste of money because I'm not
going to see you and I'm not going to connect
like I think just the small dose is the connection
to be able to eat and drink with both hands
has been already resetting for me. But you know, like
my logistical self is like, well, plane tickets are crazy.
It was a NonStop from Nashville to key West, so
it was just astronomical and to have someone at home
(01:50):
cost something. And I just was talking myself right out
of it, like my proper logistical brain couldn't make sense
of it, but like my heart really did need it.
So here I am in Key West for thirty six
hours before I go home tomorrow. I think it's great
and I think it's something too. Where again, just to
have that connection piece is so important for the relationship
and that's what keeps everything afloat. I know, I know,
(02:14):
and you know we know and also hard Yeah, well
we just get so. I definitely just get so, like
what makes financial sense or what makes logistical sense, like
I'm going to land at midnight tomorrow and I am
going to be at a baseball field by eight am
on Saturday. You know, it's like but also I got
(02:35):
to be in a video with him today, which also
makes my skin crawl. But it's fun, it's connective, Like
I made a rule for us this time. You appreciate this.
We have to kiss at least three times every hour
I'm here. It doesn't count. Oh wow, because I'm like,
if I'm going to be here, then you have to
be around like I need to be around you. Yeah,
for sure. I love that. I'm really proud of you. Yeah.
(02:56):
I feel proud of me too a little bit because
I still was also like why am I hair? But
it's fine, No, it's great again. I think you know
we would we would, you know. I see how Alan
shows up for me when I'm doing a movie, and
you know he'll come for a bit. So it's nice
because I know the reverse, like we would do the
same thing. Well, it's weird that you say that, because
(03:17):
I actually thought of you. I was like, I know,
isn't it wild how sometimes I can be more grace
filled for you than I can my own husband. But
I'm like, I know, when you're out there doing what
you're doing, even though it's fun and it's what you love, right,
it means a lot to you when he gets to you. Yeah,
And so I thought about you yesterday. I was like,
I know that this is part of that. It's like
(03:38):
it's a little bit of home away. I even said
on this time too, because you know, it's it's a
shorter shoot than I'm used to. And it was one
of those things where I even said, like you y'all
don't have to come, like we can go two weeks.
You know, it'll be it'll be fine. But I said,
because truly with this, I'm I don't get a break
on this because I'm also directing. So it's it's not
(04:00):
I don't get to have later calls if I'm not
in the scene, like I'm in every scene because I
have to be there for every scene. And so I'm like,
I truly don't have a lot of time, And so
I kind of also wanted to like set expectations for
you know, when they were going to you know, coming before,
and he was like, it's fine. He's like, as long
as you know, we can just be in the same
bed together at this you know, at night, then that's
(04:22):
that's the connection piece. And so they just got here
the other day and it's been it's been great. It's
like it's you know, today is my two off or
today and tomorrow and my two off days. And just
to be able to just have be in the same uh,
same house and be together is a nice feeling. Yes,
what do you how are we feeling about directing? It's
(04:44):
been so much fun. I just I love it so much.
I think what I love so much too, is this
is it's it's you know, slow budget, it's a smaller crew,
but this crew is so awesome. It's so much fun.
Like I am just obsessed with everyone on the crew.
It's like there were small, but we're mighty. Like they're
(05:04):
just they're all just so dialed in and so good
at what they do and I'm honestly having the best time.
It's one of those shows where I'm like, I wish
this was one of the longer shows. But it just
reaffirmed to me that I made the right decision about
the other movie, that I like, I am exactly where
I was supposed to be when I'm supposed to be,
(05:25):
and it just it makes me so happy because you know,
it's not that I definitely I wasn't regretting the choice
that I made with the other one, but when I
was watching, was I know the person that ended up
getting the role. So I was just kind of looking
at their stories and I'm like, I'm so happy for them,
and I'm really happy for myself too, Like it's just
like it's a I'm so happy to be here and
(05:46):
doing this. It was just with everybody because we would
have had different people if we had moved it to
a different time, and so it's just been incredible and
I'm obsessed with the cast and we were just having blast,
Like I can tell that, Yeah, it's like helpable, Like
that's what I'm like, Oh, I like it when you
get to go away and have like a good time. Yeah,
Because I think I think the last shoot was really
(06:09):
hard because I was sick and I wasn't used to
that kind of smaller budget and less crew, so I
almost was going in really prepared for it to be
kind of similar to that, and then I don't know,
it's just I think it's just that the people are
just they're they're not that the people, and the last
one weren't great, but it was just again you know,
(06:29):
I wasn't I was had the flu. Like, no, they
could have been incredible, it could have been lit fairly,
so it felt but yeah, it's great. So Ryan Rotman
plays my love interest and he's just he's lovely and
so much fun. And then Tammin she's she's from Pretty
Pretty Little Liars and she's just hilarious, I mean constantly,
(06:50):
you know, cracking jokes. And then Daphne who played who
was on One Tree Hill, so I got her to
come into and she's playing my aunt. So it's just
been great, like everyone's just having a great time. We
had the big concert scene last night, so I worked
until about three thirty and yeah, pauses for you on,
(07:11):
for you on, and then you know, this morning got
up and you know, San Antonio is so awesome. It's
so fun. We've got to go back. It's so fun. Yeah,
So we've just I've just been at this little like
Grass area with Roman all morning and now he's down
for a nap and now we're podcasting. So here we
go just juggling all the things. But the directing piece
is so so fun and it's been hard just because
(07:33):
I'm in front of the camera. So I have Christy,
who's a phenomenal director. She came on as an EP
and when I'm on when I'm on set filming in
front of the camera, she's really my eyes and helping.
So I couldn't have done it without her either. For sure.
It's wild because I feel like, you know, they always
say like absence makes the heart grow fonder, and I
(07:54):
feel so I feel so grateful because like we talked
about this all the time, like we never get to
see our friends, but like I don't realize how much
the touch point of like wind down every week, just
like being in your air and like you know what
I mean, Like we all get to just be with
each other. And I was like, okay, like it's just good.
Not that we don't already know that and we're not
(08:15):
like that. I'm not extremely grateful, but it does matter
to me to like be with you, Like I was like,
well where is she? Like what is she doing and
she's having fun with a friend. Well what's that friend's name?
You know, Like I'm wanting to be like, hey, girls,
I'm most face. But I also have like not FaceTime
because I know it's like wild for you this time,
but it's like exciting. But I do miss you a lot,
and you've been living your best sort of life too,
(08:35):
and all this the best one ever I've been living one.
I've been living one. Three kids in Pensacola was really something.
(08:56):
Oh I do have a wine. Okay, it's hard for me, though,
whine about this one, because honestly it's it's I think
it's my fault as a as a wife. And this
is just something I wrote down for like a long
time ago that I was like a month ago. Right,
So it's if I was out and then I come
home at let's say eight thirty, but yeah, the kids
(09:17):
aren't showered, in their pjs or in bed, and I'm
like what, like what because you think that like they
would be, you know, ready, And so by the time
you get home, it's like, wait, what it's eight Why
is no one showered? Or like it's the timing to do. Yeah,
I'm like I wasn't, and so that was just like
my little wine because it's like and it's trying not
(09:38):
to be in schedule, but it's like when you're coming
back from something and you're ready to just like go
up to kiss good night, and then it's like mayhem,
and nobody's showered and it's like way past their bedtime,
Like what is happening? Well, I do okay. So this
kind of piggybacks perfectly with what I had, which was
I think it's like a you know, like you treat
people that you want to be treated kind of rules.
(10:00):
So like I you know, like for instance, like we
go to we're going to Pensacola. It's cheercump and there's
all these things that we're gonna do special events for
the girls who were there, which is really sweet. But
I quite literally have four thousand tabs in my brain open,
like I'm trying to remember the blankets and the little
battery lamps for the beach, and you know, Lyon is
obviously going to be at a pool with a lazy river,
so I've got to have a swimmy and I've got
(10:20):
to you know, and that hyper vigilance of that already
has kind of got me a little exhausted. So I'm like, okay,
we've got it. We're packing it in a car, and
what are they going to you know, it's a six
and a half hour drive, no traffic. How are we
going to get there with them being calm? And I
did by myself, so I died because, yeah, poor Preston,
I'm just throwing them straight under the bus of this.
But we get home from Pensacola and he has to
(10:40):
leave literally twenty four hours later to go to West
Palm and he's like, hey, now you know me like
everyone does now, But like I just I have three
suitcases to empty. I like to get our house on track.
I need to pack myself for Key West. I had
tried to do a little bit of that before I left.
And listen hashtag bless. These are all like first world,
wonderful problem. But my nervous system feels good when things
(11:02):
are clean and things are running. And so I'm when
I tell you, be ask like buried Cramer in laundry.
I mean just the wet and the towels and all
the blankets in the sand. The sand, you know, So
I'm like trying to dig us out, and he sweetly
walks up, as if as if to say, I'm not
sure what you've been up to, but he did it.
(11:23):
He goes, can you I get some outfits together for
this trip that I'm about to take? And I thought, okay.
So my my default toxic phrase, which I'll regret saying
out loud to everyone, is what's it like? So I'm like,
what's it like to just pack yourself? What's it like
to just not you know? Like? And I hate that,
(11:43):
but I really did have that moment where it's just
to speak into women at this moment, but like, we
really are just carrying so many things all of the time.
And my toxic trade is I get small and I
go inside of myself and I just get fiercely independent
and I don't share the trillion things going on in
my brain. Yeah, And that was the time. It was
(12:05):
the tipping point. I hadn't I've come off a lot
of not a lot of sleep, and I snapped and
I said, I'm drowning, drowning in here. I can't keep
up with the laundry. I don't like I just it
was sassy and I didn't I'm not proud of the
way I handled it. And then I got mad didn't
change the jolly water filter. And but I do think
(12:26):
like that's part of it. I think like I my
responsibility is to probably say more of like what I
need in those moments, and I'm not I haven't been
doing that, and that's something that like, so I you know,
when I came back from the saw, I think it
was like the softball game or actually was it was.
I was with Jason baseball and softball, so it was
just when I came back, you know, of course I
(12:48):
threw the passive jobs. I'm like, we'll have your shower,
and what do you mean you have a shower? Like
it's eight thirdy, like you should be in like first
of all, you should be in bed thirty minutes ago,
but you like and so I start to throw, you know,
that's my toxic tree does the passiveness. But the next
go around, when it was a late game again, I
just said, hey, can we can you just remind because
(13:08):
I think too like he's like, well he forgets that
he has to remind them to shower. I'm like, no
kid wants to like really go hop in the shower.
So it's like it's to have like you know, to
remind them, like they need to go shower. So and
just me even saying that, I was like, hey, would
you just mind, you know, before I get back, because
I'm not going to get back until like past eight again,
(13:29):
can you just make sure he showers and then is
just ready for bed, Like he doesn't need to go
to bed, he could just as long as he's like
in his pj's, maybe reading a book upstairs or something.
And that was great and it happened, and it was
it was lovely, and I had to do the same
thing like coming back home this, you know, and next
week is the maids were coming. And so I was
just like, I just need you to leave the sheets out,
(13:52):
oh boy, and if you could possibly, you know, just
remove anything that might be on the counters, you know,
because again they just lift up and put back down.
So he called me and he's like, hey, so where
are the sheets? And I'm like labeled in each room
closet that says sheets Tricky times. I can't wait to
(14:12):
follow up with you after they've come. But I will
say though, it was so it was so great because
I didn't even ask, but he goes and by the way,
I did the kids laundry, and I'm like, ah, thank you.
It was like because that I was already thinking ahead, like,
oh god, I gotta do all the laundry when I
get home, and there's going to be like a pile
because I didn't do it before I left because I
was so busy preparing for the movie. And it was
just that sweet load that he also it's almost like
(14:34):
you just want them to read your wavelength of some
of the stuff, and they can't. That's the thing. They
can't do all that. But it was a nice thing
that like he did pick up on. So but it's
not their job to pick up on that either. So
I think it's we we have to remember that we
men and women just don't think the same and we're
not going to parent the same because they're not going
to realize maybe what time it is, you know, and
(14:55):
so we just have to. Yeah, Preston's like fun parent.
So he's like, oh, you know, he's like, old, just
watch movie for five minutes. Well five minutes isn't five minutes.
You and I both know that's another half hour at least.
So I've had to Yeah, I get it, I get it,
and I'm trying. I am trying to be a little
bit better. If we don't say it, then they don't know,
and then we we can't assume that they know, and
then we whine about it on a podcast. Yeah, and
(15:15):
then we're here, we are whining about it, but we're
also affirming that it's also us. Yeah, we want to
make sure that's nice and clear. It's yeah, yeah, yeah,
my bad. Okay, I have to just do a headline
that I had to do a double take. What do
we have? Creamer? Doctor Drey hold hand with The Valley
star Michelle during an unexpected date night. I literally was like,
(15:40):
wait what And I looked and I'm like, yes, girl,
I mean I like started putting on some Doctor Drey
on my Spotify. Doctor Dre said, yeah, she's started to
wonder she's thirty seventy sixty one. I think they're so cute. Though.
I saw the photo, clicked on it and was like, okay,
this is cute. Also, like, name a girl that's not
(16:00):
gonna want to date Doctor Dre. If that's an option,
would you date Doctor Dray? Yeah? For sure, I would date.
I mean that was like if I was single, that
was an option. Not now obviously, but I mean that
you grow up as an icon. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, no,
Doctor Dreys, I don't. I don't. I mean I've seen
(16:20):
him in some interviews and stuff, but I mean he
seems just very chill and not in the like when
I think back about you know, nineties rap and that
whole world. It's just I just think of him an
eminem like maybe not in the drama of all the
other stuff that was circling around the area. Yeah. Also,
I don't really care because I'm just going on one
date with him, So it's like I will find out
(16:42):
his personality when we go on that date, and then
I'll decide. I kind of want to text her though,
and just be like, hey girl, how was it? No,
you have to pin and then can you come back
and tell us everything? She called me a couple months
ago talking about podcast stuff, and so I should I
feel like I should just text her and be like,
hey girl, just give me some tea, Give me one
little tea of Doctor Drey, just a tiny We just
(17:04):
want to know a little bit about doctor life. She's
so sweet though, I mean, I listen, you know, can
she was just on the show too. She didn't tell
that then, But I am, you know, dating after divorce,
go for it, have fun. That Ax really got it
handed to him, didn't he holding hands with Doctor Dre
Mike drop next? I think he commented saying he didn't
(17:26):
see that one coming. I don't think anyone saw that
one coming. But it's great doctor Dre was dating. I
didn't know that that was an option. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like I didn't see him on Riah
when I was framer. If you saw him on Riah
and you didn't swipe and we didn't have that moment,
I mean you were on Riyah for us as a
friend group at that point. I will never forget mind
(17:48):
you that. And I'm not going to say who it was,
Oh you, I will not know who it was. But
we were driving I think it was in Chicago and
you were looking at I honestly think you guys had
more fun on that app than I did. But we
were swiping and you were like, oh my god heart him,
And I was like, no, I know you're talking about.
Can I say it on stage and we go out? No?
(18:12):
Can I give a hint? No? No, they could edit
it out. No. But I mean I literally herded for
you you did. Now you really listen. If there's a
point where it's like, it's funny when the world gets
tight like that, you know, like we grew up. Like
I'm trying not to name drop another one, but it's
(18:32):
like when these people are so far away and then
our world just keeps shrinking, shrinking, shrinking, and suddenly there's
this app with these people and I'm like, wait, that
is an option. That's so wild to me. I mean, yeah, listen,
we can live in this world as long as we want.
But there's still a sweet Michigander in me. That's like,
who knew? That's incredible? We could date JTT and a
Riah app that. I'm not saying he's on there, but
(18:53):
I'm just saying, you know, like yeah, a s Weekly
just pick that up. Great, well done. Taylor Paul is
trying to make it work with Bachelor contestant Doug Mason,
so they are seeing each other again and trying to
make it work. Doug is express public support of Taylor
since the season was pulled. In light of everything that
has happened, I'm just sending prayers and Taylor because that
(19:15):
was her moment, and her moment was blocked. It was
previously rumored that they got engaged on the show and
then broke up shortly after because of Dakota. So thoughts, Listen,
I have to put myself I'm I do think I'm
pretty notoriously hard on these girls, like I'm hard on
the Mormon Wives crew because that I get a little
war out by it. But I do have to put
(19:36):
myself in that position, right, Like, you're going on these shows.
If you're going on these shows for the reason you
say you are, you're going to find love in it forever.
So imagine the dating. And there's also that really cool
piece of the show too, where only the people that
are on the show, like only you and your cast
that you're in right now and in your crew, are
going to know what that feels like there and that's special.
So imagine you're doing that, but you're also finding love.
(20:00):
I'd assume that even if it's just for closure, that's
probably he probably feels like it's owed to him a little, right,
like just to be he spent so much time with
her enough to maybe allegedly get engaged, then there's already
a connection. So I think it would be hard to
just cold Turkey. It probably thoughts because you have some
(20:20):
I know. I'm just thinking because I have a feeling
they're going to probably air this season. You do, I
honestly want them to. Now do you think it's because
do you think this is part of that? That That's
what I'm thinking? At first I didn't, but I'm like, interesting,
because I feel like things are rectifying enough that they would,
(20:41):
yeah that like charges were dropped, that they should probably
air it now. Then that would just excite people even
more more because I don't think i'd want to watch
a show knowing that they I mean, i'd still watch it,
Don't get me wrong. I think she's great and I
would love to see it, but I don't think i'd
watch it because I'm like, well, doesn't end up with
anyone because she just went back to the code and
(21:02):
they broke up. But knowing that they were to if
they were together again, that would maybe entice me more
to see their relationship now, so a piece of me wonders,
maybe is it for something? But at the same time,
knowing kind of what she's going through, I don't think
she'd mentally want to add another thing onto her mental load.
(21:22):
You know what. I mean for a show or not,
Like I think she's smart enough to like go, I
know what's right for my mental load of things, and
I don't want maybe this backlash because we broke up
again or something or whatever it is. I could see.
This is where I think I would put on my
kit cat cap and I think Kat would say they're
pulling there. Something is puppeteering in a way like right
(21:45):
promotion wise or something like ABC is like listen, you
cost us a bunch and now we want you to
say you know, So maybe there's a hands tied on that.
I don't know, who knows. I mean, it was a
really really big move by them to pull it when
all of it was like ready to go. But also
like I bet they'd even get more numbers if it
comes back on Wow, and that is why you're directing
(22:06):
films producer brain. Chloe Kardashian says the bridge is burned
when it comes to ax lamar Odom claims he's doubling
(22:27):
down against her. So there's a whole Have you watched
the Netflix documentary I have not. Actually, okay, I haven't
watched the Ether. I love the Kardashians though a lot. Actually, yeah,
no same. I love and I love Chloe claims. The
Chloe claims that he made negative comments about her in
the Netflix documentary and during its press tour. Kardashian reacted
to her exis claims in the April fifteenth episode of
(22:48):
her podcast, calling the narrative some f'd up stuff. She says,
you feel so dumb for participating in Odem's documentary, for
which she was not paid one penny. She said that
the bridge is definitely burned. And I think the thing
that is that makes me really sad is she has
been burned by so many dudes, been disrespected countless times
when she's pregnant in a marriage. This guy, you know,
(23:11):
goes to a brothel, treats her awful, and yet he
still has the disrespect to do this to her again.
It's like another slap in the face that I just
don't think she deserves. And for him to then double
down during press tour saying the things that he said,
I'm just like, you should be grateful that she's even
(23:31):
in your presence after the things that you've done to her.
And I think that's what's so frustrating when women get
cheated on and have that betrayal, and yet they hold
themselves in such a like how Chloe has held herself
with such grace and compassion, has had him back on
the show, has let him come in and apologize, and
for him to just be like, yeah, come on my
documentary and then he says, you know, negative things and listen.
(23:56):
I'm sure there's negative things because two people play a
part in it, but she was also hurt by him
and he did some really awful things to her that
he should have had a way more grace and respect
for her. I'm actually shocked that Mamager Chris Jenner didn't Well,
she loved Lamar, I know, but like for her to
not even get paid to be part of that is
wild to me. So I feel like that's even in
(24:18):
my brain. This could be wrong, but I'm giving gracious
assumption that she was like, I just want to like
clear the air or be part of what you're doing,
because I do feel like she's like such a good
hearted human. I think she would do that just in
support of him, Yeah, you know, because I do think
she cares about him, and it makes me really it
just shows the lack of growth to me. I mean, ultimately,
like if you can't if you can't lived all, if
(24:42):
you can't have had those lived experiences that he's had,
and come back and say, I mean literally, nothing should
come out of his mouth, even if there is something negative.
And everyone can say something negative about every single person,
but at the point where he can't just say she
has supported me, well, I don't have anything to say
like she was by his bedside and helped rehab him
back after he was with other women in a brothel
(25:03):
like embarrassment. Again, please tell your story obviously, like she
has a part in things, I'm sure, just like any
relationship has two sides, like but then to just like
double down and then not even what I'm surprised is
that she didn't have maybe some kind of editorial or
(25:23):
edits rights, you know, to be able to see it,
you know. But that's actually a little shocking to me
that she didn't. But it's still I just am like
I just have always felt I don't want to say
bad for her, because that's I never want people to
be like, oh, I feel bad for her because she
got cheated on. You know, It's more just she deserves
to be respected. Every woman deserves to be respected. And
(25:44):
then when the person continues to disrespect, That's when I'm
just like, nope, you're done. You know, in any part
of reading that does it trigger you with past? I
wondered that when I read the headline, you know, because
I can think about it, like if if my ex
was ever to come out and say, you know, go
on a podcast, like he has every right to talk
about our marriage from his perspective, every single right. But
(26:08):
I do think there's a way to talk about it
still respecting what has happened, right, So it's taking ownership
of like, yeah, I did this and it was messed
up and you know, and not just putting. And again
I didn't I didn't see the documentary, so maybe he did.
Maybe I have no clue, but I'm just hearing snippets
(26:29):
from things, and that's where it's that's where it just
it bums me out for her. But and then how
he's handled it. But again I'm not super sure of
the things that he said in the in the documentary.
But again, I think everyone has the right to tell
their story. I think everyone has there's no there's always
(26:50):
her story, his story, and then the truth somewhere in
the middle. But I also think there's decency to respect
the person, like you know, we've had we had an
incident even just a couple of weeks ago, I mean
my ex there was something had been sent to me
in a DM and a fan had overheard someone on
(27:11):
an airplane talking about me that may or may not
have been talking to said X. And the person told me,
you know what was like being said, And you know,
we had then a conversation about it, and it was
one of those things where I'm like, I hope on
this end of things, like I am the mother of
(27:32):
the children, I should be respected, and he was even
like one hundred percent like I'm not, you know, And
so it was just like a good conversation because after
everything has happened, the past is the past, and on
this side of things, let's respect each other the best
we can, you know. So I think that's the and
I you know, there's been moments where we haven't both
(27:54):
of us like I've faulted in that, he's faulted in that,
But I think that's just past stuff. But when we're
doing a documentary, that's just and then saying some of
the things about like her face, I don't don't know,
it's just like it just feels achy. Agreed. Agreed, Pikey
just feels a little like after everything she's done for him,
(28:16):
I would be hurt for sure. Again, scare your story,
but it's how you say it, you know, I mean again,
even in like my book that I wrote about my acts,
I'm like, yes, I shared some of our stories and
I took so much out to respect our relationship because
I could have went for like the jugular on things
that I've never told or never said, and he could too,
(28:39):
you know what I mean. But it was a respect
layer of let's I want to protect at least the
relationship we have now. And you let him read it.
I told him if he wanted to. Yeah, but I mean,
like the option was there, yeah, yeah, which I think
is also just a maturity thing that that though, you know,
we have to remember that Lamar is very much an addict,
(29:00):
and so attic like behavior is deflect and there's not,
like you know, addicts don't have a lot of ownership
if at all, And so it feels telling to me
of like attic like behavior. If there's anything said that's negative,
that just feels pretty on brand for the mental state. Yeah, yeah, Hey, ladies,
(29:21):
I really need advice because I feel like I'm losing
my mind with my mother in law. Ever since I
had my baby eight months ago, she has acted like
she's the third parent and constantly undermines everything I do.
She'll show up to our house unannounced, tell me I'm
holding the baby too much, and criticize what I feed her.
She constantly says things like well, when I raise my kids,
we did things this way, and makes passive aggressive comments
in front of my husband about how I'm too sensitive
(29:43):
or following trends from the internet. My husband avoids confrontation
and says she's just trying to help. But I feel
completely disrespected in my own home and like my role
as a mother is constantly being challenged. I don't want
to create family drama, but I really don't know how
to handle this any advice. It's wild. I just literally
just had a conversation with a girlfriend about this, Like
(30:03):
I think on this, I think it was like three
days ago, and it's just I mean, this happens a lot.
I do feel like, you know, we talk about like
family a lot on here, and I feel like it's
interesting because I can certainly every family has her faults.
Of course, our kids are going to talk about the
way that we do things as a grandmother. You know,
they just will. But I am very thankful that that
(30:25):
is not the case for me. If anything, I just
have this ours just always want to be involved. But
there's not like a lot of direct to me criticism.
I think there's been things said before. You know, I
like to bubble when they're newborns, and I don't want
to host more people, and I've you know, I have
heard indirectly like kind of comments about that. I just
(30:49):
I mean, I have a girlfriend going through this exact
thing right now. She has a newborn and they wanted
to come and they have a lot of opinions about
just wanting to hold the baby, and she's like that
makes me uncomfortable, and I don't want people in my space,
you know, like you're all of it. I just think
I also have a sweetly avoidant husband when it comes
(31:12):
to this, So I resonate deeply with her, saying like
she tries to bring it up, but it feels like
it's an issue. I really think the best thing you
can do just it it's just honesty, or maybe ask
like what they would do you know how they say, like,
ask a answer a question with a question. I feel
(31:34):
like that's the way out of this a little bit,
Like I just read this thing that said what did
you mean or what would you rather have said? Or
what did you really want to say when you said that?
I almost wonder if like those kinds of questions going
back to her would be beneficial, you know. Yeah, I
also think too it might be one of those things
where if if they say like, oh, well this is
what I did, and be like, oh that's that's that's great,
(31:55):
and then still do it your way, you know, like, yeah, agreed,
stand firm in who you are as a mom, what
you want to do because your maybe mother in law
didn't want to sleep train and you want to sleep train,
and be like, oh, that's that's great. This is what's
going to work best though, for for us or our schedule,
and just be firm on it, because I think at
(32:16):
the end of the day, if they're if they're if
she's inserting herself that way, she's going to continue to
insert herself that way. So sometimes the easiest way to
shut someone down is just to say oh, that's a
great idea and then not do it. Okay, okain of
here for it. You know, it's kind of like the
best way to say the best thing to say to
a narcissist. I'm not saying she's a narcissist, you know,
the mother in law, but is just to say, okay,
(32:37):
we're not not saying either, you know, and then just
and then do it. You're waste out, you know what
I mean. Like it's a great, great idea and you
don't have to follow it, you know, like I remember
reminding mine a lot too, just like that's what works
best for our house. Yeah, because you know, I think
that there is this like, oh, I did it this
way or I did it that way. Well, first of all,
I always think it's wildly ironic when any mother thinks
(32:58):
they've mailed it. And we've married son, so we actually
know all the ways that they maybe haven't nailed it
as well, you know, and so it's like I've just
had to remind them like our circumstances are different, you know,
like we're not this isn't fifty years ago, This isn't
the way we have to parent. And I think there
is something to that piece though, like because when you're
(33:19):
sharing the part that makes your walls come down a little.
It's a little vulnerability, like I'm parenting in a really
hard time, Like the diligence it takes for me to
like pick the right foods and to make sure that
they don't have access to internet, and like all of
those things are things that they've never had to do before.
So it's okay maybe to say it out loud or
you knowah, you know, this is what works best for
our family. Was always kind of my like tagline for
(33:42):
her because our circumstances were just different. Yeah, and anyone
offering advice like a mother in law like that isn't
going to stop. So they can't help they can't help themselves.
Just just say, okay, just wipe the counters, Beverly and
move along diffrectly. We're tired, Oh Lauren, Laura load boo.
I don't know. I will say my dad's wife, Flora
(34:04):
is not who I'm referriend. I love her, she's great,
she's very helpful. I'm gonna wrap up my uh Florida tour,
Go wrap up your flour, go hike your husband, and
I love you so much and I'll see you, God
willing next week
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey Girl,
Why I miss you? I sent a very co dependent
message yesterday you did. But what's so funny. I think
we said it's been four hundred and how many thousand days?
Four hundred and I said I miss you, and I said,
(00:23):
that's dramatic, but it feels accurate. It's crazy, though, because
I've been watching your stories and I'm like, where I
feel like you've been ten places in a week. I have. Actually,
you were in Florida for to your competition. Where are
you now Florida again? Okay, we went to Pensacola for
to your Competition. We came home four I was home
(00:46):
for thirty six hours and then I this is actually
really good for you and I to talk about because
I reluctantly I know what I have to do. Like
the phrase get to me is what always connects me
in Preston right, It's what saved our relationship at the
very beginning, and he desperately wanted me on this trip,
but it is very much a work trip for him.
Like I saw him for the first time I landed
(01:07):
yesterday at twelve thirty. I saw him for the first
time at like five, So I had to manage myself
to go like, Okay, I'm going to get there and
I'm going to do I know that I also need
the break from my kids after you know, driving them
tune from Pensacola. And I just want to plant it
as a seed for women like me who are like
(01:29):
I don't want to do that. That's a waste of
time or that's a waste of money because I'm not
going to see you and I'm not going to connect
like I think just the small dose is the connection
to be able to eat and drink with both hands
has been already resetting for me. But you know, like
my logistical self is like, well, plane tickets are crazy.
It was a NonStop from Nashville to key West, so
it was just astronomical and to have someone at home
(01:50):
cost something. And I just was talking myself right out
of it, like my proper logistical brain couldn't make sense
of it, but like my heart really did need it.
So here I am in Key West for thirty six
hours before I go home tomorrow. I think it's great
and I think it's something too. Where again, just to
have that connection piece is so important for the relationship
and that's what keeps everything afloat. I know, I know,
(02:14):
and you know we know and also hard Yeah, well
we just get so. I definitely just get so, like
what makes financial sense or what makes logistical sense, like
I'm going to land at midnight tomorrow and I am
going to be at a baseball field by eight am
on Saturday. You know, it's like but also I got
(02:35):
to be in a video with him today, which also
makes my skin crawl. But it's fun, it's connective, Like
I made a rule for us this time. You appreciate this.
We have to kiss at least three times every hour
I'm here. It doesn't count. Oh wow, because I'm like,
if I'm going to be here, then you have to
be around like I need to be around you. Yeah,
for sure. I love that. I'm really proud of you. Yeah.
(02:56):
I feel proud of me too a little bit because
I still was also like why am I hair? But
it's fine, No, it's great again. I think you know
we would we would, you know. I see how Alan
shows up for me when I'm doing a movie, and
you know he'll come for a bit. So it's nice
because I know the reverse, like we would do the
same thing. Well, it's weird that you say that, because
(03:17):
I actually thought of you. I was like, I know,
isn't it wild how sometimes I can be more grace
filled for you than I can my own husband. But
I'm like, I know, when you're out there doing what
you're doing, even though it's fun and it's what you love, right,
it means a lot to you when he gets to you. Yeah,
And so I thought about you yesterday. I was like,
I know that this is part of that. It's like
(03:38):
it's a little bit of home away. I even said
on this time too, because you know, it's it's a
shorter shoot than I'm used to. And it was one
of those things where I even said, like you y'all
don't have to come, like we can go two weeks.
You know, it'll be it'll be fine. But I said,
because truly with this, I'm I don't get a break
on this because I'm also directing. So it's it's not
(04:00):
I don't get to have later calls if I'm not
in the scene, like I'm in every scene because I
have to be there for every scene. And so I'm like,
I truly don't have a lot of time, And so
I kind of also wanted to like set expectations for
you know, when they were going to you know, coming before,
and he was like, it's fine. He's like, as long
as you know, we can just be in the same
bed together at this you know, at night, then that's
(04:22):
that's the connection piece. And so they just got here
the other day and it's been it's been great. It's
like it's you know, today is my two off or
today and tomorrow and my two off days. And just
to be able to just have be in the same uh,
same house and be together is a nice feeling. Yes,
what do you how are we feeling about directing? It's
(04:44):
been so much fun. I just I love it so much.
I think what I love so much too, is this
is it's it's you know, slow budget, it's a smaller crew,
but this crew is so awesome. It's so much fun.
Like I am just obsessed with everyone on the crew.
It's like there were small, but we're mighty. Like they're
(05:04):
just they're all just so dialed in and so good
at what they do and I'm honestly having the best time.
It's one of those shows where I'm like, I wish
this was one of the longer shows. But it just
reaffirmed to me that I made the right decision about
the other movie, that I like, I am exactly where
I was supposed to be when I'm supposed to be,
(05:25):
and it just it makes me so happy because you know,
it's not that I definitely I wasn't regretting the choice
that I made with the other one, but when I
was watching, was I know the person that ended up
getting the role. So I was just kind of looking
at their stories and I'm like, I'm so happy for them,
and I'm really happy for myself too, Like it's just
like it's a I'm so happy to be here and
(05:46):
doing this. It was just with everybody because we would
have had different people if we had moved it to
a different time, and so it's just been incredible and
I'm obsessed with the cast and we were just having blast,
Like I can tell that, Yeah, it's like helpable, Like
that's what I'm like, Oh, I like it when you
get to go away and have like a good time. Yeah,
Because I think I think the last shoot was really
(06:09):
hard because I was sick and I wasn't used to
that kind of smaller budget and less crew, so I
almost was going in really prepared for it to be
kind of similar to that, and then I don't know,
it's just I think it's just that the people are
just they're they're not that the people, and the last
one weren't great, but it was just again you know,
(06:29):
I wasn't I was had the flu. Like, no, they
could have been incredible, it could have been lit fairly,
so it felt but yeah, it's great. So Ryan Rotman
plays my love interest and he's just he's lovely and
so much fun. And then Tammin she's she's from Pretty
Pretty Little Liars and she's just hilarious, I mean constantly,
(06:50):
you know, cracking jokes. And then Daphne who played who
was on One Tree Hill, so I got her to
come into and she's playing my aunt. So it's just
been great, like everyone's just having a great time. We
had the big concert scene last night, so I worked
until about three thirty and yeah, pauses for you on,
(07:11):
for you on, and then you know, this morning got
up and you know, San Antonio is so awesome. It's
so fun. We've got to go back. It's so fun. Yeah,
So we've just I've just been at this little like
Grass area with Roman all morning and now he's down
for a nap and now we're podcasting. So here we
go just juggling all the things. But the directing piece
is so so fun and it's been hard just because
(07:33):
I'm in front of the camera. So I have Christy,
who's a phenomenal director. She came on as an EP
and when I'm on when I'm on set filming in
front of the camera, she's really my eyes and helping.
So I couldn't have done it without her either. For sure.
It's wild because I feel like, you know, they always
say like absence makes the heart grow fonder, and I
(07:54):
feel so I feel so grateful because like we talked
about this all the time, like we never get to
see our friends, but like I don't realize how much
the touch point of like wind down every week, just
like being in your air and like you know what
I mean, Like we all get to just be with
each other. And I was like, okay, like it's just good.
Not that we don't already know that and we're not
(08:15):
like that. I'm not extremely grateful, but it does matter
to me to like be with you, Like I was like,
well where is she? Like what is she doing and
she's having fun with a friend. Well what's that friend's name?
You know, Like I'm wanting to be like, hey, girls,
I'm most face. But I also have like not FaceTime
because I know it's like wild for you this time,
but it's like exciting. But I do miss you a lot,
and you've been living your best sort of life too,
(08:35):
and all this the best one ever I've been living one.
I've been living one. Three kids in Pensacola was really something.
(08:56):
Oh I do have a wine. Okay, it's hard for me, though,
whine about this one, because honestly it's it's I think
it's my fault as a as a wife. And this
is just something I wrote down for like a long
time ago that I was like a month ago. Right,
So it's if I was out and then I come
home at let's say eight thirty, but yeah, the kids
(09:17):
aren't showered, in their pjs or in bed, and I'm
like what, like what because you think that like they
would be, you know, ready, And so by the time
you get home, it's like, wait, what it's eight Why
is no one showered? Or like it's the timing to do. Yeah,
I'm like I wasn't, and so that was just like
my little wine because it's like and it's trying not
(09:38):
to be in schedule, but it's like when you're coming
back from something and you're ready to just like go
up to kiss good night, and then it's like mayhem,
and nobody's showered and it's like way past their bedtime,
Like what is happening? Well, I do okay. So this
kind of piggybacks perfectly with what I had, which was
I think it's like a you know, like you treat
people that you want to be treated kind of rules.
(10:00):
So like I you know, like for instance, like we
go to we're going to Pensacola. It's cheercump and there's
all these things that we're gonna do special events for
the girls who were there, which is really sweet. But
I quite literally have four thousand tabs in my brain open,
like I'm trying to remember the blankets and the little
battery lamps for the beach, and you know, Lyon is
obviously going to be at a pool with a lazy river,
so I've got to have a swimmy and I've got
(10:20):
to you know, and that hyper vigilance of that already
has kind of got me a little exhausted. So I'm like, okay,
we've got it. We're packing it in a car, and
what are they going to you know, it's a six
and a half hour drive, no traffic. How are we
going to get there with them being calm? And I
did by myself, so I died because, yeah, poor Preston,
I'm just throwing them straight under the bus of this.
But we get home from Pensacola and he has to
(10:40):
leave literally twenty four hours later to go to West
Palm and he's like, hey, now you know me like
everyone does now, But like I just I have three
suitcases to empty. I like to get our house on track.
I need to pack myself for Key West. I had
tried to do a little bit of that before I left.
And listen hashtag bless. These are all like first world,
wonderful problem. But my nervous system feels good when things
(11:02):
are clean and things are running. And so I'm when
I tell you, be ask like buried Cramer in laundry.
I mean just the wet and the towels and all
the blankets in the sand. The sand, you know, So
I'm like trying to dig us out, and he sweetly
walks up, as if as if to say, I'm not
sure what you've been up to, but he did it.
(11:23):
He goes, can you I get some outfits together for
this trip that I'm about to take? And I thought, okay.
So my my default toxic phrase, which I'll regret saying
out loud to everyone, is what's it like? So I'm like,
what's it like to just pack yourself? What's it like
to just not you know? Like? And I hate that,
(11:43):
but I really did have that moment where it's just
to speak into women at this moment, but like, we
really are just carrying so many things all of the time.
And my toxic trade is I get small and I
go inside of myself and I just get fiercely independent
and I don't share the trillion things going on in
my brain. Yeah, And that was the time. It was
(12:05):
the tipping point. I hadn't I've come off a lot
of not a lot of sleep, and I snapped and
I said, I'm drowning, drowning in here. I can't keep
up with the laundry. I don't like I just it
was sassy and I didn't I'm not proud of the
way I handled it. And then I got mad didn't
change the jolly water filter. And but I do think
(12:26):
like that's part of it. I think like I my
responsibility is to probably say more of like what I
need in those moments, and I'm not I haven't been
doing that, and that's something that like, so I you know,
when I came back from the saw, I think it
was like the softball game or actually was it was.
I was with Jason baseball and softball, so it was
just when I came back, you know, of course I
(12:48):
threw the passive jobs. I'm like, we'll have your shower,
and what do you mean you have a shower? Like
it's eight thirdy, like you should be in like first
of all, you should be in bed thirty minutes ago,
but you like and so I start to throw, you know,
that's my toxic tree does the passiveness. But the next
go around, when it was a late game again, I
just said, hey, can we can you just remind because
(13:08):
I think too like he's like, well he forgets that
he has to remind them to shower. I'm like, no
kid wants to like really go hop in the shower.
So it's like it's to have like you know, to
remind them, like they need to go shower. So and
just me even saying that, I was like, hey, would
you just mind, you know, before I get back, because
I'm not going to get back until like past eight again,
(13:29):
can you just make sure he showers and then is
just ready for bed, Like he doesn't need to go
to bed, he could just as long as he's like
in his pj's, maybe reading a book upstairs or something.
And that was great and it happened, and it was
it was lovely, and I had to do the same
thing like coming back home this, you know, and next
week is the maids were coming. And so I was
just like, I just need you to leave the sheets out,
(13:52):
oh boy, and if you could possibly, you know, just
remove anything that might be on the counters, you know,
because again they just lift up and put back down.
So he called me and he's like, hey, so where
are the sheets? And I'm like labeled in each room
closet that says sheets Tricky times. I can't wait to
(14:12):
follow up with you after they've come. But I will
say though, it was so it was so great because
I didn't even ask, but he goes and by the way,
I did the kids laundry, and I'm like, ah, thank you.
It was like because that I was already thinking ahead, like,
oh god, I gotta do all the laundry when I
get home, and there's going to be like a pile
because I didn't do it before I left because I
was so busy preparing for the movie. And it was
just that sweet load that he also it's almost like
(14:34):
you just want them to read your wavelength of some
of the stuff, and they can't. That's the thing. They
can't do all that. But it was a nice thing
that like he did pick up on. So but it's
not their job to pick up on that either. So
I think it's we we have to remember that we
men and women just don't think the same and we're
not going to parent the same because they're not going
to realize maybe what time it is, you know, and
(14:55):
so we just have to. Yeah, Preston's like fun parent.
So he's like, oh, you know, he's like, old, just
watch movie for five minutes. Well five minutes isn't five minutes.
You and I both know that's another half hour at least.
So I've had to Yeah, I get it, I get it,
and I'm trying. I am trying to be a little
bit better. If we don't say it, then they don't know,
and then we we can't assume that they know, and
then we whine about it on a podcast. Yeah, and
(15:15):
then we're here, we are whining about it, but we're
also affirming that it's also us. Yeah, we want to
make sure that's nice and clear. It's yeah, yeah, yeah,
my bad. Okay, I have to just do a headline
that I had to do a double take. What do
we have? Creamer? Doctor Drey hold hand with The Valley
star Michelle during an unexpected date night. I literally was like,
(15:40):
wait what And I looked and I'm like, yes, girl,
I mean I like started putting on some Doctor Drey
on my Spotify. Doctor Dre said, yeah, she's started to
wonder she's thirty seventy sixty one. I think they're so cute. Though.
I saw the photo, clicked on it and was like, okay,
this is cute. Also, like, name a girl that's not
(16:00):
gonna want to date Doctor Dre. If that's an option,
would you date Doctor Dray? Yeah? For sure, I would date.
I mean that was like if I was single, that
was an option. Not now obviously, but I mean that
you grow up as an icon. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, no,
Doctor Dreys, I don't. I don't. I mean I've seen
(16:20):
him in some interviews and stuff, but I mean he
seems just very chill and not in the like when
I think back about you know, nineties rap and that
whole world. It's just I just think of him an
eminem like maybe not in the drama of all the
other stuff that was circling around the area. Yeah. Also,
I don't really care because I'm just going on one
date with him, So it's like I will find out
(16:42):
his personality when we go on that date, and then
I'll decide. I kind of want to text her though,
and just be like, hey girl, how was it? No,
you have to pin and then can you come back
and tell us everything? She called me a couple months
ago talking about podcast stuff, and so I should I
feel like I should just text her and be like,
hey girl, just give me some tea, Give me one
little tea of Doctor Drey, just a tiny We just
(17:04):
want to know a little bit about doctor life. She's
so sweet though, I mean, I listen, you know, can
she was just on the show too. She didn't tell
that then, But I am, you know, dating after divorce,
go for it, have fun. That Ax really got it
handed to him, didn't he holding hands with Doctor Dre
Mike drop next? I think he commented saying he didn't
(17:26):
see that one coming. I don't think anyone saw that
one coming. But it's great doctor Dre was dating. I
didn't know that that was an option. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like I didn't see him on Riah
when I was framer. If you saw him on Riah
and you didn't swipe and we didn't have that moment,
I mean you were on Riyah for us as a
friend group at that point. I will never forget mind
(17:48):
you that. And I'm not going to say who it was,
Oh you, I will not know who it was. But
we were driving I think it was in Chicago and
you were looking at I honestly think you guys had
more fun on that app than I did. But we
were swiping and you were like, oh my god heart him,
And I was like, no, I know you're talking about.
Can I say it on stage and we go out? No?
(18:12):
Can I give a hint? No? No, they could edit
it out. No. But I mean I literally herded for
you you did. Now you really listen. If there's a
point where it's like, it's funny when the world gets
tight like that, you know, like we grew up. Like
I'm trying not to name drop another one, but it's
(18:32):
like when these people are so far away and then
our world just keeps shrinking, shrinking, shrinking, and suddenly there's
this app with these people and I'm like, wait, that
is an option. That's so wild to me. I mean, yeah, listen,
we can live in this world as long as we want.
But there's still a sweet Michigander in me. That's like,
who knew? That's incredible? We could date JTT and a
Riah app that. I'm not saying he's on there, but
(18:53):
I'm just saying, you know, like yeah, a s Weekly
just pick that up. Great, well done. Taylor Paul is
trying to make it work with Bachelor contestant Doug Mason,
so they are seeing each other again and trying to
make it work. Doug is express public support of Taylor
since the season was pulled. In light of everything that
has happened, I'm just sending prayers and Taylor because that
(19:15):
was her moment, and her moment was blocked. It was
previously rumored that they got engaged on the show and
then broke up shortly after because of Dakota. So thoughts, Listen,
I have to put myself I'm I do think I'm
pretty notoriously hard on these girls, like I'm hard on
the Mormon Wives crew because that I get a little
war out by it. But I do have to put
(19:36):
myself in that position, right, Like, you're going on these shows.
If you're going on these shows for the reason you
say you are, you're going to find love in it forever.
So imagine the dating. And there's also that really cool
piece of the show too, where only the people that
are on the show, like only you and your cast
that you're in right now and in your crew, are
going to know what that feels like there and that's special.
So imagine you're doing that, but you're also finding love.
(20:00):
I'd assume that even if it's just for closure, that's
probably he probably feels like it's owed to him a little, right,
like just to be he spent so much time with
her enough to maybe allegedly get engaged, then there's already
a connection. So I think it would be hard to
just cold Turkey. It probably thoughts because you have some
(20:20):
I know. I'm just thinking because I have a feeling
they're going to probably air this season. You do, I
honestly want them to. Now do you think it's because
do you think this is part of that? That That's
what I'm thinking? At first I didn't, but I'm like, interesting,
because I feel like things are rectifying enough that they would,
(20:41):
yeah that like charges were dropped, that they should probably
air it now. Then that would just excite people even
more more because I don't think i'd want to watch
a show knowing that they I mean, i'd still watch it,
Don't get me wrong. I think she's great and I
would love to see it, but I don't think i'd
watch it because I'm like, well, doesn't end up with
anyone because she just went back to the code and
(21:02):
they broke up. But knowing that they were to if
they were together again, that would maybe entice me more
to see their relationship now, so a piece of me wonders,
maybe is it for something? But at the same time,
knowing kind of what she's going through, I don't think
she'd mentally want to add another thing onto her mental load.
(21:22):
You know what. I mean for a show or not,
Like I think she's smart enough to like go, I
know what's right for my mental load of things, and
I don't want maybe this backlash because we broke up
again or something or whatever it is. I could see.
This is where I think I would put on my
kit cat cap and I think Kat would say they're
pulling there. Something is puppeteering in a way like right
(21:45):
promotion wise or something like ABC is like listen, you
cost us a bunch and now we want you to
say you know, So maybe there's a hands tied on that.
I don't know, who knows. I mean, it was a
really really big move by them to pull it when
all of it was like ready to go. But also
like I bet they'd even get more numbers if it
comes back on Wow, and that is why you're directing
(22:06):
films producer brain. Chloe Kardashian says the bridge is burned
when it comes to ax lamar Odom claims he's doubling
(22:27):
down against her. So there's a whole Have you watched
the Netflix documentary I have not. Actually, okay, I haven't
watched the Ether. I love the Kardashians though a lot. Actually, yeah,
no same. I love and I love Chloe claims. The
Chloe claims that he made negative comments about her in
the Netflix documentary and during its press tour. Kardashian reacted
to her exis claims in the April fifteenth episode of
(22:48):
her podcast, calling the narrative some f'd up stuff. She says,
you feel so dumb for participating in Odem's documentary, for
which she was not paid one penny. She said that
the bridge is definitely burned. And I think the thing
that is that makes me really sad is she has
been burned by so many dudes, been disrespected countless times
when she's pregnant in a marriage. This guy, you know,
(23:11):
goes to a brothel, treats her awful, and yet he
still has the disrespect to do this to her again.
It's like another slap in the face that I just
don't think she deserves. And for him to then double
down during press tour saying the things that he said,
I'm just like, you should be grateful that she's even
(23:31):
in your presence after the things that you've done to her.
And I think that's what's so frustrating when women get
cheated on and have that betrayal, and yet they hold
themselves in such a like how Chloe has held herself
with such grace and compassion, has had him back on
the show, has let him come in and apologize, and
for him to just be like, yeah, come on my
documentary and then he says, you know, negative things and listen.
(23:56):
I'm sure there's negative things because two people play a
part in it, but she was also hurt by him
and he did some really awful things to her that
he should have had a way more grace and respect
for her. I'm actually shocked that Mamager Chris Jenner didn't Well,
she loved Lamar, I know, but like for her to
not even get paid to be part of that is
wild to me. So I feel like that's even in
(24:18):
my brain. This could be wrong, but I'm giving gracious
assumption that she was like, I just want to like
clear the air or be part of what you're doing,
because I do feel like she's like such a good
hearted human. I think she would do that just in
support of him, Yeah, you know, because I do think
she cares about him, and it makes me really it
just shows the lack of growth to me. I mean, ultimately,
like if you can't if you can't lived all, if
(24:42):
you can't have had those lived experiences that he's had,
and come back and say, I mean literally, nothing should
come out of his mouth, even if there is something negative.
And everyone can say something negative about every single person,
but at the point where he can't just say she
has supported me, well, I don't have anything to say
like she was by his bedside and helped rehab him
back after he was with other women in a brothel
(25:03):
like embarrassment. Again, please tell your story obviously, like she
has a part in things, I'm sure, just like any
relationship has two sides, like but then to just like
double down and then not even what I'm surprised is
that she didn't have maybe some kind of editorial or
(25:23):
edits rights, you know, to be able to see it,
you know. But that's actually a little shocking to me
that she didn't. But it's still I just am like
I just have always felt I don't want to say
bad for her, because that's I never want people to
be like, oh, I feel bad for her because she
got cheated on. You know, It's more just she deserves
to be respected. Every woman deserves to be respected. And
(25:44):
then when the person continues to disrespect, That's when I'm
just like, nope, you're done. You know, in any part
of reading that does it trigger you with past? I
wondered that when I read the headline, you know, because
I can think about it, like if if my ex
was ever to come out and say, you know, go
on a podcast, like he has every right to talk
about our marriage from his perspective, every single right. But
(26:08):
I do think there's a way to talk about it
still respecting what has happened, right, So it's taking ownership
of like, yeah, I did this and it was messed
up and you know, and not just putting. And again
I didn't I didn't see the documentary, so maybe he did.
Maybe I have no clue, but I'm just hearing snippets
(26:29):
from things, and that's where it's that's where it just
it bums me out for her. But and then how
he's handled it. But again I'm not super sure of
the things that he said in the in the documentary.
But again, I think everyone has the right to tell
their story. I think everyone has there's no there's always
(26:50):
her story, his story, and then the truth somewhere in
the middle. But I also think there's decency to respect
the person, like you know, we've had we had an
incident even just a couple of weeks ago, I mean
my ex there was something had been sent to me
in a DM and a fan had overheard someone on
(27:11):
an airplane talking about me that may or may not
have been talking to said X. And the person told me,
you know what was like being said, And you know,
we had then a conversation about it, and it was
one of those things where I'm like, I hope on
this end of things, like I am the mother of
(27:32):
the children, I should be respected, and he was even
like one hundred percent like I'm not, you know, And
so it was just like a good conversation because after
everything has happened, the past is the past, and on
this side of things, let's respect each other the best
we can, you know. So I think that's the and
I you know, there's been moments where we haven't both
(27:54):
of us like I've faulted in that, he's faulted in that,
But I think that's just past stuff. But when we're
doing a documentary, that's just and then saying some of
the things about like her face, I don't don't know,
it's just like it just feels achy. Agreed. Agreed, Pikey
just feels a little like after everything she's done for him,
(28:16):
I would be hurt for sure. Again, scare your story,
but it's how you say it, you know, I mean again,
even in like my book that I wrote about my acts,
I'm like, yes, I shared some of our stories and
I took so much out to respect our relationship because
I could have went for like the jugular on things
that I've never told or never said, and he could too,
(28:39):
you know what I mean. But it was a respect
layer of let's I want to protect at least the
relationship we have now. And you let him read it.
I told him if he wanted to. Yeah, but I mean,
like the option was there, yeah, yeah, which I think
is also just a maturity thing that that though, you know,
we have to remember that Lamar is very much an addict,
(29:00):
and so attic like behavior is deflect and there's not,
like you know, addicts don't have a lot of ownership
if at all, And so it feels telling to me
of like attic like behavior. If there's anything said that's negative,
that just feels pretty on brand for the mental state. Yeah, yeah, Hey, ladies,
(29:21):
I really need advice because I feel like I'm losing
my mind with my mother in law. Ever since I
had my baby eight months ago, she has acted like
she's the third parent and constantly undermines everything I do.
She'll show up to our house unannounced, tell me I'm
holding the baby too much, and criticize what I feed her.
She constantly says things like well, when I raise my kids,
we did things this way, and makes passive aggressive comments
in front of my husband about how I'm too sensitive
(29:43):
or following trends from the internet. My husband avoids confrontation
and says she's just trying to help. But I feel
completely disrespected in my own home and like my role
as a mother is constantly being challenged. I don't want
to create family drama, but I really don't know how
to handle this any advice. It's wild. I just literally
just had a conversation with a girlfriend about this, Like
(30:03):
I think on this, I think it was like three
days ago, and it's just I mean, this happens a lot.
I do feel like, you know, we talk about like
family a lot on here, and I feel like it's
interesting because I can certainly every family has her faults.
Of course, our kids are going to talk about the
way that we do things as a grandmother. You know,
they just will. But I am very thankful that that
(30:25):
is not the case for me. If anything, I just
have this ours just always want to be involved. But
there's not like a lot of direct to me criticism.
I think there's been things said before. You know, I
like to bubble when they're newborns, and I don't want
to host more people, and I've you know, I have
heard indirectly like kind of comments about that. I just
(30:49):
I mean, I have a girlfriend going through this exact
thing right now. She has a newborn and they wanted
to come and they have a lot of opinions about
just wanting to hold the baby, and she's like that
makes me uncomfortable, and I don't want people in my space,
you know, like you're all of it. I just think
I also have a sweetly avoidant husband when it comes
(31:12):
to this, So I resonate deeply with her, saying like
she tries to bring it up, but it feels like
it's an issue. I really think the best thing you
can do just it it's just honesty, or maybe ask
like what they would do you know how they say, like,
ask a answer a question with a question. I feel
(31:34):
like that's the way out of this a little bit,
Like I just read this thing that said what did
you mean or what would you rather have said? Or
what did you really want to say when you said that?
I almost wonder if like those kinds of questions going
back to her would be beneficial, you know. Yeah, I
also think too it might be one of those things
where if if they say like, oh, well this is
what I did, and be like, oh that's that's that's great,
(31:55):
and then still do it your way, you know, like, yeah, agreed,
stand firm in who you are as a mom, what
you want to do because your maybe mother in law
didn't want to sleep train and you want to sleep train,
and be like, oh, that's that's great. This is what's
going to work best though, for for us or our schedule,
and just be firm on it, because I think at
(32:16):
the end of the day, if they're if they're if
she's inserting herself that way, she's going to continue to
insert herself that way. So sometimes the easiest way to
shut someone down is just to say oh, that's a
great idea and then not do it. Okay, okain of
here for it. You know, it's kind of like the
best way to say the best thing to say to
a narcissist. I'm not saying she's a narcissist, you know,
the mother in law, but is just to say, okay,
(32:37):
we're not not saying either, you know, and then just
and then do it. You're waste out, you know what
I mean. Like it's a great, great idea and you
don't have to follow it, you know, like I remember
reminding mine a lot too, just like that's what works
best for our house. Yeah, because you know, I think
that there is this like, oh, I did it this
way or I did it that way. Well, first of all,
I always think it's wildly ironic when any mother thinks
(32:58):
they've mailed it. And we've married son, so we actually
know all the ways that they maybe haven't nailed it
as well, you know, and so it's like I've just
had to remind them like our circumstances are different, you know,
like we're not this isn't fifty years ago, This isn't
the way we have to parent. And I think there
is something to that piece though, like because when you're
(33:19):
sharing the part that makes your walls come down a little.
It's a little vulnerability, like I'm parenting in a really
hard time, Like the diligence it takes for me to
like pick the right foods and to make sure that
they don't have access to internet, and like all of
those things are things that they've never had to do before.
So it's okay maybe to say it out loud or
you knowah, you know, this is what works best for
our family. Was always kind of my like tagline for
(33:42):
her because our circumstances were just different. Yeah, and anyone
offering advice like a mother in law like that isn't
going to stop. So they can't help they can't help themselves.
Just just say, okay, just wipe the counters, Beverly and
move along diffrectly. We're tired, Oh Lauren, Laura load boo.
I don't know. I will say my dad's wife, Flora
(34:04):
is not who I'm referriend. I love her, she's great,
she's very helpful. I'm gonna wrap up my uh Florida tour,
Go wrap up your flour, go hike your husband, and
I love you so much and I'll see you, God
willing next week
Host
Jana Kramer
Popular Podcasts
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Bleep! with Ana Navarro
Fear thrives in silence and confusion. Ana Navarro rejects both. Her voice is an antidote to today’s chaos. Her new podcast, Bleep! with Ana Navarro, takes on today’s most pressing issues with the voices most connected to it: decision-makers, political leaders, cultural shapers, and people on the frontlines of the story. The conversations acknowledge the emotions we all feel—despair, sadness, fear— but emerge with knowledge, perspective, and hope. The belief is simple: fearless dialogue can transform fear into courage, and courage into change. When fear dominates the headlines, this show digs deeper. Because information, debate, and conversation don’t just ease fear, they give us power to shape the future.
Hey Jonas!
Hey Jonas! The official Jonas Brothers podcast. Hosted by Kevin, Joe, and Nick Jonas. It’s the Jonas Brothers you know... musicians, actors, and well, yes, brothers. Now, they’re sharing another side of themselves in the playful, intimate, and irreverent way only they can. Spend time with the Jonas Brothers here and stay a little bit longer for deep conversations like never before.