August 31, 2026 • 53 mins
Anna Camp is living her most authentic life right now. Last year, she came out as bisexual and in her words, a giant weight was lifted. Now, she sits down with Ashlyn to talk about the joy of shedding the expectations others put on you. They discuss the moments in Anna’s career that led to huge personal growth, like the time she literally bared all on a Broadway stage, the frenzy of being part of a huge hit like Pitch Perfect, and being honored as one of the Out 100 last fall.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.
I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris, and today's guest is someone
we've watched transform on screen for almost two decades now.
But I think the most interesting transformation is the one
she's living right now.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome, Anna Camp. She is an actor.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
She is known.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
For Pitch Perfect, True Blood, You, Broadway, and so much more.
But lately, Anna's been talking openly about about something that
feels very connected to what we talk about on this show.
It's having the courage to keep becoming. In her 40s,
Anna publicly embraced her bisexuality and has been outspoken about
(00:43):
the complicated mix of freedom, guilt, excitement, and joy that
came with allowing herself to live more fully as who
she is. And I love that because wide open has
never been about having yourself completely figured out. It's about
being willing to question who you thought you had to
be and having the courage to evolve over and over again.
(01:08):
Today we're talking about acting, ambition, control, identity, love, reinvention,
and what happens when you stop performing the version of
yourself everyone else expects and start living the freedom you
want now.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Anna Camp, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Thank you. Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of Wide Open. I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris. And today
we have the very beautiful Anna Camp.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Welcome to the show. So happy to have you.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I told you I was going to break out in
a little song dance, teeny.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, good. I'm so glad you did. Yes. And not
a bad voice. I want to hear more.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, well, you're being really kind.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I like to think, like, I can only rap because
I'm mortified to actually carry a tune. But in my
second life, when I come back, I really want to
be a performer.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I really miss the mark. Already, you're sounding better than
I could ever play soccer.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, we all have our gifts.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We really do.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You're steps ahead. I know. You know what I wish, though?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I wish my gift didn't have a shelf life.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's like, you know what?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You're bopping, babe, but just know those knees... Those knees
are wonky and they're going to catch up to you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh, my God. Well, you've done so much and you
should be so proud with everything that you have done.
And I'm just so grateful to be here finally and
talk to you. Huge fan, huge fan of the show,
huge fan of you and Sophia. I've known for a while,
you know, in passing, we kind of like said hi
to each other back in the day and. I'm just
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so thankful to talk to you today. It's so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Thank you. Do you want my microphone? You can just
carry this whole conversation. You're perfect.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You're so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Grab it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, I wanted to check in.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I know we had like we this is how it
always operates. So let's just like get get to this
point every time. I start a podcast, we always start
talking and everyone's.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Like, wait, are we recording? I'm like, no, we're hanging.
And I love that that's exactly the way we started.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So I'm just going to kind of rewind a little
bit so the audience can hear what we're talking about.
Because I know there's been some heavy news in the
last like 24 hours of Hayden and we don't know
all the details, but I wanted to check in and
make sure you're doing okay. And I know it's been
a tough morning in our household and And our hearts
(03:47):
are super heavy. And yeah, I wanted to check in
and see.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
How you're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. First of all, thank you for asking me that.
You know, I'm super emotional about it. I had never
worked with Hayden, but I had, you know, obviously followed
her career and I'm sure like brushed elbows with her
at some Hollywood thing, you know, somewhere. But I had
(04:15):
been watching, you know, all of her interviews recently, especially
on Jay Shetty. And, you know, I just was like
very drawn to her being so vulnerable and open about
what she had been going through in her life. But
I also kind of felt like it was almost like
a cry for help from what I was watching. And
(04:38):
I'm getting like chills now. talking about it right now
because when I opened up my phone this morning and
seeing that she had passed away, I was like shocked,
but also like, oh my God, like, did she have
the people around her who could help her? Because I
didn't know her and I wanted to just reach out
just when I was seeing her interviews. So, um, and I,
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I see my, I see myself in her a little
bit too, you know, being an actress in my early
forties and A blonde girl, right? That like you get
pigeonholed in this type of way. And I don't know.
I just I'm super emotional about it.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think it's a really important, important reflection. Like, I
really think as a culture, we need a reset. Like,
we need to take a real look. at ourselves and
what we're creating. And it's really not a safe space online.
And just like looking back at all of her interviews,
(05:38):
it just looked like she could never come up for air.
Like no matter where it, like a child star, a
lot of fame at a very early age, absolutely abused.
And she was trying to have the right words to
talk about it. you know, you know, so many people
right now are talking about the postpartum thing, but the
industry ate her up and she.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Talked about it. She was like, I, I could never
do anything.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's like the second I picked up a drink or
a cigarette, it was, you know, media paparazzi on every,
you know, talking about her private parts, doing this and
then you're off here being abused sexually. It's just like
the list kept going on and on and on and on.
And it's, It's so true. And not only are we
seeing that, we saw the Perez Hilton.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Issue come to light.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's just like we have gone too far. And at
what point are we going to keep allowing this type
of behavior of posting about people?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Half of it's never true. And even if it is,
have some respect. These are humans. These are people with
real feelings.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And we don't always get it right. No one gets
it right. And it's just like we have no grace.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We have no empathy.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We have no like our reality has become so morphed
and jaded. And everything is about this cancel culture and like.
What about, like, loving your neighbor? What about, you know,
reaching out and being like, hey, dude, are you okay? Like,
it feels like it's hard. Like, you have no idea
what someone is walking with every single day. And we're
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just so quick to cut them off at their knees.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I know. And I think that that's why she was
taking those interviews and saying, you have no idea what
I've gone through. And I learned so much about her
while watching those. Yet, I don't know how to stop
the negativity and the hate anymore. Online, I don't know
how to do it. And it gets, I mean, I'm
not like that huge of a public figure and like,
but I get my own amount of hate coming towards me.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, you just, honey, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But I turn, I have to get off, I just
get offline. Oh, yeah, have to. Because I just, for
my own sanity and my own peace of mind, because
if you take the good from online, you also have
to take the bad. So I don't want to take
any at all. You know, I'm always like very I
just I just want peace. And I and I I
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just I wish that other people would have the decency
to treat actors and artists or public figures like as humans.
And I don't know how to how do you get
people to do that?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't know. People have to start speaking out and
talking about exactly what we're talking about is is humanizing
and reconnecting. Everything is so fragmented because of social media.
And it's just this hate pile on. It's like the
second one person starts, it's just like this snowball effect
that everyone jumps in on. And I'm like, you guys, like,
(08:44):
this is so mean and so gross.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Why can't we just transfer all of that and exchange
it for love?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's what I try to do.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I know. Let's seriously. And that's, isn't that so beautiful too?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Like I know, your story lately has just been, it's hard, right?
It's because you're trying to like live your truth and
finally choose your joy.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And you spoke about it. Like, I just want peace.
I want happiness. You know, I'm in my forties.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I know you're in your forties and we're all doing
the best we fucking can. And it's like, no matter
what we do, whether we're out seeking and finding joy
and love, like everyone has an opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It's like, you can't fucking win.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And at some point, it's like.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Oh, my God, Anna, like, I'm so happy you're happy.
And whatever your happiness looks like, I want to be a.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Part of it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I want to support it. Like, what a joy.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I think people need to get to that point of, like,
your happiness is going to look different.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Your joy, your peace, everything.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Is going to look different per every family or household
or whatever the case is. And it's like, why can't
we just celebrate that instead of feeling we have to
chime in and make it about us?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Why does my life affect a stranger so much?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I actually don't know. I don't know. I wasn't born
like judging other people. And I also am just shocked
that the things that I choose to do in my
own personal private life, why does it affect you so much?
It blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Because people are fucking bored and they have nothing better
to do than insert themselves in shit they know nothing about,
which makes me want to bang my head against the
wall even more.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Me too. But then you just have to realize that
you just can't listen to it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You just can't listen to it. You really can't. And
you have to keep on trucking on your own path.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm like, I have a four-year-old and a five-year-old and
I just was with my friend this weekend at a
wedding and her 13-year-old is like, mama, I really want Snapchat.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
All the kids in my school are like, have Snapchat.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I'm like, the thought, like when I went to
college and high school and all these things, I didn't
have any social media.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Homegirl was Living her life.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Thank God. Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Figuring it out. I feel so scared for my children.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm like, just know whatever you post up there will
never come down and will always come back to haunt.
Like these kids can't be kids anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like they have to be so protected.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It has to be so intentional and strategic. You can't
do stupid shit because it will affect you long term.
And I'm like, oh God, my kids, like literally they're
going to have the phone where it's like, you know,
the old.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
School ringer, the rotary, the rotary.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm like, it's going to be like cha-ching. And then
it's like, cha-ching.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I just, I didn't even have a beeper. I was
at the time where all I wanted was a beeper.
That's all I wanted. I had my parents. Oh, I
had it. You're so cool.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I was, I thought I was a doctor.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm like, First off, we had pay phones.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I had no money.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So it was like, okay, if someone paged me, it's like,
can I even call them back?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
No. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I'm not around to pay phone. I didn't have a
cell phone. But I did have– I had the clear one,
and I would, like, clip it inside my jeans, and
I thought I was so cool.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
If only.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
If only.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I was dying for that.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But we have to run it back because, Anna, you've
been in the.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Public eye– Jesus. I mean, you were like a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You are like a baby, baby. How?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And then I was reading up on your past and
you were like talking about how you were a shy kid. Very.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Incredibly. I had one friend, one friend, and she's still
my best friend to this day. I was so quiet.
I had an older sister. She was also into acting.
She kind of got me into acting. She's seven years older. Okay.
But I was like very quiet in class, like never spoke.
Every time the teacher would call me to write a
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math problem on the chalkboard, my heart would pound. I
did not want to get up in front of anyone,
super shy, super anxious. And then I did find theater.
I was a big theater nerd.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You and Sophia are the same. I die.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I literally just, it became my piece. And like, I
felt like I could be more confident when I was
playing a character. Like I was not necessarily confident being Anna,
but I was confident playing a role in something. And
that's where I found my freedom. And I think I
also realized through therapy, having a lot of therapy, that
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I wasn't really celebrated. I mean, at home I was
celebrated by my family, but my emotions were not. So
me talking back to say like my father or my
parents or stating what I wanted Um, wasn't really appreciated.
So I found a place where I could be vocal,
expressive and emotive. And that was acting for me. And
(14:05):
that became my whole world.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's so interesting. Cause I like it's in, I'm trying
to like connect the dots because as a shy kid,
and then when you get to play someone else, you
like completely come alive and you can just kind of
morph into these characters and, So I'm curious what acting
gave you that everyday life didn't. Was it the safety
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to try to morph into a new character? Or what
was it for you to actually get out of your shell?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It was a safe space to just figure out who
I was. When I was home, I didn't have a voice.
I didn't really use my voice. Very quiet. So I
think it gave me a safe space to like figure
out who Anna was. At each age that I would
grow up and I would do plays, I would just
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feel very like free and safe at the same time.
And then I would come home and I would just
go up to my little room and shut the door
and be quiet and read a book. You know what
I mean? Such a nerd, such a nerd. Um, but
I'm proud of that person also. And I'm proud of
that person for who, you know, who I am today.
You know, she got me where I am today.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I imagine, and, and you went, was it so
early on, you were on Broadway early and it was
like with Daniel Radcliffe or Radcliffe.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Daniel.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. Harry Potter.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I was like, wait, my home girl, shy friend.
Is out here being like, I don't want to talk
to anyone. I have one friend, but I'm just going
to like bop on here and do my thing.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm like, how does this even work?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Totally naked, by the way.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I heard the vulnerability of both of you so early.
I'm like, yeah, that puts you out of your comfort
zone real, real quick.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I imagine. It did.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It did.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I didn't want that job. When I auditioned for it,
I was like, please don't let me get it. I pray.
I was like, please, God, I don't want to get it.
And I remember because I wasn't a person to like
walk around the gym naked. Like I was living in
New York at the time, like right out of college.
And I was like changing in the dance room, you know,
underneath my shirt. You know what I mean? Like all
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that stuff, like very, very, very shy. And then I
get that audition and I'm like, please, God, no. And
I get onto the train. I was living at Queens
in Astoria, Queens at the time. And I got the
call as the train went above ground. And it was like,
you got the job. And I think I started hyperventilating.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Because here's the thing. And I know most people here understand.
That show, how many days a week are you running
that same show? Seven?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Seven.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Eight shows a week.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Eight shows a week. You get like Monday off, like
one day off, right?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I get Monday off. I get Monday off. And I
am doing two shows on Wednesday. I mean, for months, too.
We did it for months and months and months and
months and months.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's the thing that people don't get.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Like you could be on camera and do one scene
and be like, whew, thank God that's over. They're going
to pick my highlights. They're going to have this as choreographed.
They're going to hit my good angles. Like intimate moments
on camera are so technical and not intimate at all.
But theater, it's like, girl, you have to do this
every night, sometimes two shows.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I mean, totally naked. Like, obviously, when you're doing a
sex scene or something in a movie or TV show, like,
you've got sweatpants on for half the shot, right? Yes.
But they're filming up here and you can do whatever
you want. You've got your socks on. For this, I mean, we,
Daniel and I, have to walk all the way down
to the front of the stage, slowly undress piece by
piece by piece. We're totally naked. And then I have
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to get on, like, a thing, like a bench or
something at the back. And there's onstage seating as well.
So we have people onstage up above me. And I
have to, like, spread my legs. And he gets on
top of me. And then I freeze there. I freeze
while he has a monologue for, like, three minutes totally naked.
And I was a badass, dude. Like, I don't think
(18:13):
I could do that again. That's why I was just
going to ask you.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Do you think you'll ever go back to, like, Broadway
and doing– Would you go back to like Broadway in general?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well, I'm actually going back.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Not nudie 2D.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Not nudie 2Ds. Not nudie 2Ds. I'm not there yet.
But I am going back to do a show actually
this fall. So I'll be there. It's off Broadway. But
I'll be there through January 17th doing eight shows a week.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, we're going to be neighbors.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So, you know, you need to give me a call.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Are you in New York?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I am.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I didn't know you guys were in.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh, I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
We're theater kids now. I guess you can call it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Oh, good.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Half the time I'm like, I don't know what's going on.
And Sophia is.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Just like, sometimes she's like hysterically sobbing.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm like, are you okay, honey?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
If you guys want to go out, let me know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, because there is just something about theater.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because she comes from that same background. And she just,
the way it moves her. emotionally when it's live she
does not act like that and like when we're watching
movies or anything I just think it's just like the
performance and like it really gets inside of you.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
What it takes like physically also to do it it's
like I am in awe of musical theater people this
is not a musical but like I'm in awe of
people who do it because it's just such a it's
such an athletic sport almost that you have to be
like your body has to be so in tuned.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Stay tuned I'll be back in just a moment after
this brief message from our sponsors. We can't talk about
you without talking about Pitch Perfect. So that really changed
the landscape of fucking everything that that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Came on the scene. And I was like, oh, this
is like a cultural moment. Did you know it was
going to be that big? Because it was like, it
was huge.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Absolutely not. I mean, we were blown away by the
response and the response that the first movie still gets.
Like I did a silly thing with Steph Curry like
a couple years ago. He said he was shaking to
meet me. And I said, excuse me?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And he was like, I couldn't believe it. And then
he practiced Bruno Mars just the way you are. And
he wanted to sing it with me. So me, his, me,
his wife, we sang a song from Pitch Perfect and
he said it made his whole life. And I was like,
I'm talking to Steph Curry right now. And you're a
fan of mine.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I mean, he's geeky.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Of course. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But we all know it was such a huge moment.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And the cast, whoever casted that movie was like, sometimes
you just nail it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And it just, it, it, They nailed it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
The cast was absolutely incredible for this movie, but also
so gay.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Are we going to talk about that? Let's talk about it.
Do we have a group.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Chat where we're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, we're all
gay now?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
What?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
We're like, you know, we're not all gay.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Technically, technically. Yes, I do know what you mean. I do. Well,
you know, I don't know. Maybe we are. I don't know.
But yeah, no, it was a very, just like queer thing. Like,
it wasn't technically, like, queer storylines. Like, I remember just
Rebel being, like, lesbianist and, like, adding all of these things, right?
And just, you know, obviously just, like, the singing aspect
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of it. And it was right after Glee, I think, like,
the first season of Glee came out. Yeah. And, you know,
it was such an amazing table read when we had
that table read. Like talking about what you just said
about the casting, like looking around and like I can't
imagine another actor or actress playing those roles. Like we were,
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it was like lightning in a bottle kind of thing.
And the fact that that movie still holds up. Like, just, like,
I go out now and, like, I get people being like, Akka, what? Like,
excuse me. And, you know, it's cute.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's cute.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, it's weird. We were just at a wedding. No,
it's not. You're being really nice. I don't have to
be as nice, okay? So I'm just going to say this.
We were at a wedding.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And, you know, this weekend, there's always a little, you know,
booze going on. You know, people get a little more
courage and a little bit more handsy.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
At a wedding. It's a little more intimate.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Some girl came flying up to Sophia and being like,
oh my God, my favorite line.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And she started talking about something. Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Literally telling Sophia lines from One Tree Hill or.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
John Tucker Must Die. I don't even remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like can't even remove who Sophia is and who the
character is. And I'm curious, like when you're out and about,
sometimes I feel like fans just see you As these, like,
characters and not really, like, who you are. And I
know Sophia does such a good job. But I'm like,
this girl tried to hug her seven times.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I'm like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's a lot. And we're going back and forth on lines.
It's getting weird. We're, like, not in, like, a work environment.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Scary. I'm sure you guys.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It never stops.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It doesn't. And it's, like, I know people say, like,
it's part of the job and, you know, all of that. And, like,
I mean... It's like to a point, to a point,
it's part of the job. Like I didn't sign up
to get like attacked or sign up to get like
screamed at. Like I got screamed at the airport right
after Scream came out. A girl was going through the metal.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
And she goes, she's screaming. She goes, oh my God.
And I go, what? What happened?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Who's behind me?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like, what did I do? And she's like, oh my God,
I just saw Scream. Oh my God. Oh my God.
And like, she was like shaking with her thing. And I, listen,
I love being an actor. I love that people respond
to my work and like what I do. I mean,
that is why, that's part of why I do it.
Like I act because I love telling stories. I love
connecting with my fellow castmates. I love making people who
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watch it feel less alone in some way. And I
love it when people like what I do. If it
gets a little creepy, that's when I'm like, I feel
like you have to be able to separate the character
from the actor. And that goes to a little bit
about like what we were saying about celebrity culture at
the beginning of this where people can't separate the person
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from the actor in the movie or the character or
like the celebrity walking down the street or on the
talk shows. Like there's Anna Camp at home and Anna
Camp like hanging out with her girlfriend and Anna Camp
walking her dogs. And then there's Anna Camp like on
Kelly and whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.
I'm not the same person. Like that still works. And
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I think that it's just like hard for people to
understand that sometimes that it's separate.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And I'm really curious because you spoke a lot about
dismantling some of the armor you've built up throughout your life,
which I imagine most of you who have grown up
in this industry had to.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What was that armor protecting you from? Because I know
you've talked about it. But like there's a hardness that
I think for safety and for your own personal life,
you all.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Have to put up in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But I was just curious when you talk about that,
what were you, are you protecting that young child who
could have been eaten up by that industry that you
still live in? I mean, it's just such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Of speaking about it. And I think as, you.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Know, we put a bow on what we've been talking
about since the top of the show, I think boundaries
and peace and all these things are really important. And
it's not just people who have a beautiful legacy of
their work in the public eye.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It could be an everyday, you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Know, there's women who get abused. There's women who feel
like they can't leave because of children. There's so many
armors that we build up as women in general because
we have to fucking carry so much.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I would love for you to.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Talk about that. Great question. So I think the dismantling
of my armor, I grew up in a very southern household,
South Carolina. You know, there was an idea of what
it meant to be a girl or a woman. And
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it was also, you know, not stepping out of those
boundaries and always being being liked and never doing something
that was going to get you disliked um just being
accommodating kind sweet and having your opinion not rock the
boat in any way and it was ingrained in me
(27:32):
like ingrained in me up until my i would say
recently to to not be um Like the dirty, gross,
ugly parts of a person, I was like, they don't
exist in me. And I've had to slowly take off
this shiny exterior that wasn't me. It was a fully
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different human being that I built to walk through the
world so I would be liked and not risk truly
being myself. And it's been hard to dismantle that. But
I mean... I'm so fucking happy that I am doing it.
And at this point, because I could have gone through
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my life, I could have stayed married to either husband.
You know what I mean? Like, I could have, though.
I do, too. I could have, though, and just, like,
kept going and, like, divorce is bad or whatever and, like,
just kept going the route that I was taught was
the best way to go. And instead, I was like, no,
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I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
And I.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I feel it's scary. It's scary, especially in the public eye.
Even if I wasn't in the public eye, it would
be scary for me to be doing this just with
my family, you know, and they've been very accepting. But that's,
I think, what I'm talking about is like letting go
of the risk of like, who cares if everybody doesn't
like me?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Who actually cares? Because I love myself and I love
who I'm becoming. And that is the path that I
want to continue to walk.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And it's so beautiful that you say that. And I
just have to acknowledge the bravery. And for everyone listening
out there, it's never too late to start over or
choose yourself or choose your truth or fuck it.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If you feel like, you.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Know, everyone's telling you to fall in line and like
that is not for you, we can't just keep falling
in line because that's what society tells us to do
or that's what our parents tell us to do. Like,
We all are different we all have to live our
truth and you said one of the biggest emotional obstacles
you faced was coming out in your 40s and you
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were feeling guilt for not embracing it sooner and this
you know during this incredible excitement and you know freedom
so many people had eyes on you and so many
people were like well what are you what.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Is it and it's like Fuck you guys.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Like, I'm just trying to be me and I'm trying
to choose joy and I'm not putting so much pressure
on the labels and.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What it looks like for you. It feels fucking right
for me.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And that's all that should matter. Yes. Should be.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Very well said. Absolutely. That's that's what I felt. And
that's what I continue to feel.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
How has life felt different since you allowed yourself to
live more fully in your truth?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh God, I feel like a huge stack of anvils
have been lifted off of my back. Yeah. I mean,
just huge. I feel like I have like wings now.
Like I feel like I can actually fly now in
a way that I never felt before. I just, I
feel like the word love is bigger than I ever
(30:49):
even felt the word love was before. Yeah. I just,
I think I just, it's like walking through the world
and going, oh, it's not so black and white. Yeah,
it really isn't. And it's colorful and beautiful. And all
of the people that have reached out to me and
embraced me and not judged me in the community that
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I've found has been so stunning that I just encourage
anyone who is listening to go like, you can do
it too.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You can do it too.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Because I do, I imagine, Anna, that there was a
point where your happiness probably became more important than other
people's expectations of you.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hell yes.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Because you can only fucking fake it for so long.
And even Sophia says this as someone who came out
in her 40s.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I just like as for I can only speak for myself.
I definitely don't want to speak for you. But like
as women, we're so fucking worried about what everyone else
thinks of us. Or if we're in trouble, do we
do something wrong? Did we hurt someone's feelings? Like we
become so good at abandoning our own fucking values and
feelings in life to serve other people. It also becomes exhausting.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, your identity gets lost in all of that.
And you're like, where's my joy? Where's my life? Who
am I? When I'm constantly waking up and I turn
on the phone and I've got Instagram telling me that
I need to do this, this, and this to my
body in order to be acceptable. I need to wear this, this,
and this and buy this product to be better. Why
am I constantly looking and being told that I have
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to be better than I already am? Like it's a lie.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's a lie.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
You don't have to do any of it. You know,
and I I just I just feel so lucky that
I that I embraced this and that I had the
courage to to be myself and still find myself now.
Like life isn't like just because I've come out. Doesn't
mean life is now like over and better. No, we're
still becoming. We're still becoming constantly and constantly. And I'm
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trying to not abandon myself any longer.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah. And that's such a great way to put it
because you did say something that stuck with me. It
was essentially like, you know, I've only got one life
to live and I want to choose happiness. I want
to be happy. I don't want to just like, this
is it. You know, like there's not more to this.
And I ask this because I had to go through
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this myself as someone who went through a very public
divorce and it was very, very hard. Do you feel
that you have given yourself grace.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
For what was in order.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
To be where you're at, 10 toes down fully in
your body, to be able to grasp and have this
life again? Right now in this moment, like it took
a lot of work for me because I felt like
I disappointed people and I hurt people to choose myself.
And like I had to give myself grace for that.
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And no one is harder on us as women than ourselves.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But I'm just curious if.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Like you ever thought about that or you do you
have any relation to that? Did you give yourself grace
for your past and now living like really in your
truth or?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
No, not really at all.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I think that I need to do more of that.
I really do. I think that a lot of what
I do is like block it out or just like
focus on the future. Move forward. Move forward. You're here now.
You're here now. Don't like go back and even think
about the memories or think about those things. And funnily enough,
(34:40):
you asked me this. I live in Palm Springs. I
go back and forth between here and L.A., But I
was just on my computer yesterday and I was like,
my friend, my best friend, Bonnie, who was my one friend. Bonnie,
come on, Bonnie. From high school. She asked me if
I had a photo of like this old ratty car
(35:01):
that she used to drive. And I was like, let
me go look at my computer and like look back
and see if I have any. And I found myself
looking at photos from my past and my past relationships
and And, and I had, I had had, I have
experienced a lot of negative things in those relationships, but
I also was finding joy and photos of myself when
(35:22):
I was younger, laughing with these people, having beautiful moments.
And it was something that I was like, it was
the act of giving grace. I think that I wasn't
even like trying to do, but it was allowing myself
to open that file, go back and, and look at
the girl that, was happy and did have joy and
(35:44):
has come so far. Um, and it's hard to explain
what was happening, but I felt like I was in
process of giving my, my younger self grace. Yeah. Like
it was an emotional experience that I kind of had
yesterday just by myself, hanging out with my dogs, looking
at my old photos and going, wow, you've come so far,
(36:04):
but you also need to be thankful for your past
and the people that you loved and the people that
loved you. And just because it didn't work out, it
doesn't mean that those experiences were not valuable. So that's
kind of, you know, I think what I was doing,
but I want to continue to do it to do
that because You can't block it out. You have to
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like embrace all of the things that led you to
the moment that you're at right now.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
And that's such an important way of putting it because
I think discovering something new about yourself doesn't necessarily mean
everything that came before it wasn't real or wasn't your truth. Right.
It's just we're constantly evolving. We're constantly changing. We're constantly learning.
I mean, I say this genuinely. I'm relentlessly curious. And
(36:50):
for people who are artsy and constantly curious, you're always
asking questions, which means you're always evolving.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Like, I say this, and I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Don't know if this is the athlete in me. Complacency
is the death of me.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't want, especially at 40, I want to be tested.
That's why I love this show, you know, just really
having real conversations with people who just– want to become
the best version and are figuring themselves out in every
season and learning from it constantly and also choosing to
(37:29):
be vulnerable and brave enough to say, you know what,
this is for me and I'm going to live in
that truth because I'm tired of trying to make everyone
else happy by shrinking what I want in myself and
my values and my happiness, my peace, my joy, all
of the things.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There's just so many layers of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I really try to be a master evolver. Yes. That's
what I try to call myself, a master evolver. I
like change. I like new. I like growing. But I
love evolving into the next season of my life. What
is the next chapter going to be like? And instead
of like shutting off, it's like, I mean, wide open, right?
(38:12):
Like being wide open to the possibilities and the experiences
and the things that happen because we only do get
one life so true and if you if you have
a idea of what it's gonna be like good fucking
luck because it's not gonna be at all the idea
of what you thought it was gonna.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Be exactly and and i hope like i got to
meet you in person at the out 100 um to
celebrate you know what an amazing achievement that you were
i think it was out 100 queer change makers yes
is that correct And you.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Were one of those people. And, you know, congratulations, clearly.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
But it took a lot to get there. And I
don't think that's the thing people don't see. The hardest
part that people don't realize is you're literally discovering something
deeply personal and new about yourself all while in the
public eye.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So people can fucking have an opinion about it. And
it's really, really hard. And you held it. So gracefully.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
And you are such a big deal in the community.
And you've been trying to navigate this whole coming out
experience the best way you know how to. And that's
just really going through it, embracing it. And I'm curious
if you felt any pressure. feeling like, okay, now I'm
like a... Not only were you a big Anna Camp
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identity in the acting world and Broadway and all these
different pieces of who you are, now you're a big
character in the queer community.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
And that's a lot of pressure. It is because.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You know, we are a marginalized community. We have a
lot of pain.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
We have a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
We know what it's like to not be wanted and
feel not like the rest and not.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Falling in line.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
But have you given yourself, like, permission just to simply
belong and experience this first? Or do you feel like
you have to put the captain's hat on?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
I feel like I definitely had a choice to either,
you know, come out... privately to my family or and
you know be like this is who I'm dating this
is who I'm in love with kind of thing or
to answer these questions fully and to accept the out
100 honor so I had like a moment in time
(40:33):
where I was like you could either do you could
not do it or you could do it and I
said well I I feel so free And so excited
by everything that's going on in my life. I think
to like keep it down and push it down and
make it kind of this like hush-hush secretive thing is
the antithesis of what I want and what I want
(40:58):
to do. So for me, it was like a no-brainer.
I was like, no, I don't know if I've put
on a captain's hat per se, but I do feel
as if I am– fully visible in this. And that
to me is my own little, like, I'm out here, man,
I'm out here. And like, it should be normalized, right?
(41:18):
Like it should be normalized. You should be able to like,
love who you love. That's really at the end of
the day. It's just that simple. So I was excited
by the opportunities and the questions because it was, it
just felt freeing for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'll be back in just a moment after this brief
message from our sponsors. I asked this just because at length,
Sophia and I have really spoke about this. With the
personal evolution of becoming this person that you are now
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in this season of your life, this constant evolution is happening.
I find that....
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I say this, I think.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Your career now is evolving differently. You know, is it
Serpent and Salt and Honey? And you just said you're
coming back to New York. Like she speaks about this
and I'm going to paraphrase it, but I'm wondering if you.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Feel it too.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Like when you really live in your body, when you
really live in your truth, it changes the way you
show up for the characters and the roles you pick.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
She said this. She's like, I am such a better.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Version of myself because I've let it all, all the
bullshit and the expectations and all the things I've carried,
like you said, to be the pretty girl in Hollywood,
to be the young sought after straight girl with blonde
hair and beautiful voice and popular. It's like she dropped
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the fucking rope and she's so, she's such a better,
you know, I've done this a long time ago. And
my career is over now. But I'm curious if you're
feeling that sense of freedom, knowing exactly who the fuck
you are right now and showing up in these roles
and feeling such liberation and freedom to really like now
(43:19):
you probably know you can do anything.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Like nothing scares you.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I mean, I definitely I've changed a lot and I
have evolved a lot. I mean, I was acting as
a person for years of my life, for decades of
my life, I was acting. And now I am a
better actor because I'm not fucking acting any longer in
my real life. And I can, I can look at
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the page. I can look at the words. I can
look at the person and like, I'm bringing a pure, whole,
no masked human being into to that instead of a
person who was worried about being liked worried that they
had to present an idea to the world of who
they are like that's all bullshit like like this is
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like like a whole new chapter man this is a
whole new Anna a whole new actor a whole new
artist because I'm fully realizing myself and and like as
an artist isn't that what we're supposed to be doing
and that's why I'm so excited for this half, this,
this other chapter of my career post 42, 43, like
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what happens in my fifties? What happens in my sixties?
What roles am I going to get? And how I'm going,
I'm going to be so different from when I was
in my twenties, bringing it a person that was so
scared to something. And now I'm like, like, thank you
for getting me this far. But like, I'm fucking done
and we're going this way now kind of thing. So, yeah,
I think whatever Sophia is saying, I completely identify with.
(44:55):
And it feels so good and empowering to be there.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, it's just like the pep in her step, you know?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
She's just like, I'm like, girl, whoa, you.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Are really feel like she is in her body.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And I like, I love every, like, as.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
She continues to get more and more comfortable with who
she is. You see the impact.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
It just like radiates outside of her.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
And like me too.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I truthfully am as I am the happiest I have
ever been. And I look back at photos and I go, oh,
I don't even recognize that girl.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Is she okay?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
She looks empty. Totally.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
She looks soulless inside, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I was like, oh, God, that cortisol was really running
rampant through those veins, honey.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
I'm still trying to lower mine. I'm lowering mine to
this day. I'm doing all the things. So we're getting there.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, talk to me about these new projects coming out.
What do we get to look forward to? What do
we get to see? Like, I want to know everything.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Um, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Okay. Well, I have a, I do have a HGTV
show I'm stoked about.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
What? You know, this is my favorite like thing to watch.
This is my favorite network all night.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I didn't know. I didn't know. So September 15th, it's
called A Very Haunted Renovation. And I am the host.
And six designers are renovating and living in a real
haunted house. It's called Beale Manor. It's in Ohio. I
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saw some crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
No.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
It's so haunted. I'm getting chills. It's a competition show,
but like it's so fun and so cool. And they
have to renovate the haunted house while keeping it within
like a kind of, Haunted Mansion style, but modernizing it
at the same time. It's super fun. I'm so excited.
So that's something that I can't wait for everybody to watch.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So exciting. Yay.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Oh my. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I can't wait for it. You know who I've been
watching a lot of in the last week? Jonathan Knight.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Okay. I want to say.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
He has a Reno show.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Oh, no way. Okay.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
He does.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And it's so good. And he's got like, he's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
And I've been really enjoying it. So if you haven't
watched that, go check it out. Wait, why can't I
remember what band that was?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
It's either New Kids on the Block or Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Oof, no, it's not because I know those Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
That's like my karaoke song, so... If you want to
know anything about me, if you want to know anything
about me, I have a video. I just was performing
last week in the Hamptons to my karaoke song.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Oh, my gosh. But I don't know why I'm drawing.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah. You are my, the one that's you, like, you.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Are my fire.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
That one.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Classic.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
I don't remember the song name. Why am I drawing
a blank? But you know what? My fire, maybe.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Tell me why.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
So we're going to karaoke together.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
It's a date. Yes, please. Thank you. I'll sing my
Nancy Sinatra. These boots are made for walking. Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Also, like, I'm a little raunchy, too.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I like a good, like, you know, genuine from the
old school days.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
A little body roll.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
A little body roll.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I like get it going. I'm in full character.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Get out. Get out. I'm dying. That sounds so fun.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I am such a lesbian. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I'm sorry in advance. I am like, Sophia can't take
me anywhere. I'm about to post some videos of me
from this wedding. And when I tell you, I'm bumping
and grinding to genuine.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Dead.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And then all of a sudden, the DJ goes, pour
it up, pour it up from Rihanna.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
And I was like, my mind? Blew up. I melted.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
My skin fell on the floor and my bones just
started moving.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Don't worry, everyone. I'm going to post it.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I'm going to post it.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I hope she gets out there and she starts dancing
with you. I hope she does.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
She was like, girl, you are feeling yourself.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
And I'm like, who me? Who me?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh, my God. I'm dying. I'm dead. That was so funny.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Get to New York. We're going to karaoke.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
To all my great queer people out there it's never
too late to start over don't be trapped in shit
you don't want to be trapped in yeah honestly thank
you for your story though it's oh my god of
course and and also like you didn't choose this life
you didn't choose all of this chaos and the way
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everyone's always in your business, but you've done it so
gracefully and beautifully and our community is so lucky.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
To have you a part of it.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Your partner seems absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Magical and you both look wonderful.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
You look very happy and it's sacred and keep that
peace and keep those boundaries.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Keep choosing joy and keep choosing yourself.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm so proud of you and I'm excited for our
date night.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Oh my God, me too. And thank you for letting
me come on here and talk and share and hopefully
inspire other people. I love that. I love that. I'm
looking forward to our date.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
And I'm looking forward to more conversations. So everyone, thanks
for tuning in. Anna, thank you for coming. Thanks for
being so vulnerable and wide open as always.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
And everyone, go check out her new projects.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Go follow her on all of her social handles and
your Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Accounts and all of that. Do you want to say
what they are?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I mean, I'm at the real Anna Camp on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Okay. Okay. So not cool.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
So not cool.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
But also come to New York and come see me
in my play called 222 at the Lortel Theater.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Wait, you're kidding.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
It's 222?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yes. I did it at the Amundsen. Like, oh, my God.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Sophia did it. Yes. Okay, so I did it at
the Amundsen Theater, and now I'm doing it in New York,
and I forgot that she did it in London, right?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
In London.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
That is crazy. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Wait, who's your character?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
I think we're playing the same character. I'm playing Lauren.
I am.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
We're coming. We're coming. When's opening night? We're coming.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Oh, my goodness. I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I'll let you know. Okay, all the gays, you heard
it here first, okay? We need to show up for 222, Lauren.
We will be in the audience. I want to see
all lessees. Me too. Okay, thank you. That will be great.
And that is somewhat a small world.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
That's right. I totally forgot that she did the same character.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Incredible.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
So many date nights. Everyone, get ready because we're about
to be popping. Just so you know, we're going to
be in them streets.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
We're going to be karaoke-ing it up.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Well, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
And everyone, thanks for joining us for another episode of
Wide Open.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
And we'll see you all next week. Anna, thank you
so much for coming on the show. One of the
things I keep learning through these conversations is that becoming
yourself isn't something you finish.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
We put so much pressure.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
On ourselves to know who we are by a certain age.
But maybe growth isn't being willing to admit that the
person you were at 25 doesn't have to make every
decision for the person you are at 40. You can
change your mind. You can change direction. You can love differently.
You can start again. And none of this erases who
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you were before. It just means you're still becoming. Anna,
thank you so much for being open. And thank you
all for being here again and again and again. And
constantly choosing to evolve, to become, to think outside of
the box, to be open-minded, and.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
To connect and do this together. We'll see you next
week on another episode of Wide Open.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Bye.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Bye.
Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.
I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris, and today's guest is someone
we've watched transform on screen for almost two decades now.
But I think the most interesting transformation is the one
she's living right now.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome, Anna Camp. She is an actor.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
She is known.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
For Pitch Perfect, True Blood, You, Broadway, and so much more.
But lately, Anna's been talking openly about about something that
feels very connected to what we talk about on this show.
It's having the courage to keep becoming. In her 40s,
Anna publicly embraced her bisexuality and has been outspoken about
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the complicated mix of freedom, guilt, excitement, and joy that
came with allowing herself to live more fully as who
she is. And I love that because wide open has
never been about having yourself completely figured out. It's about
being willing to question who you thought you had to
be and having the courage to evolve over and over again.
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Today we're talking about acting, ambition, control, identity, love, reinvention,
and what happens when you stop performing the version of
yourself everyone else expects and start living the freedom you
want now.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Anna Camp, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Thank you. Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of Wide Open. I'm your host, Ashlyn Harris. And today
we have the very beautiful Anna Camp.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Welcome to the show. So happy to have you.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I told you I was going to break out in
a little song dance, teeny.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, good. I'm so glad you did. Yes. And not
a bad voice. I want to hear more.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, well, you're being really kind.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I like to think, like, I can only rap because
I'm mortified to actually carry a tune. But in my
second life, when I come back, I really want to
be a performer.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I really miss the mark. Already, you're sounding better than
I could ever play soccer.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, we all have our gifts.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We really do.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You're steps ahead. I know. You know what I wish, though?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I wish my gift didn't have a shelf life.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's like, you know what?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You're bopping, babe, but just know those knees... Those knees
are wonky and they're going to catch up to you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh, my God. Well, you've done so much and you
should be so proud with everything that you have done.
And I'm just so grateful to be here finally and
talk to you. Huge fan, huge fan of the show,
huge fan of you and Sophia. I've known for a while,
you know, in passing, we kind of like said hi
to each other back in the day and. I'm just
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so thankful to talk to you today. It's so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Thank you. Do you want my microphone? You can just
carry this whole conversation. You're perfect.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You're so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Grab it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, I wanted to check in.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I know we had like we this is how it
always operates. So let's just like get get to this
point every time. I start a podcast, we always start
talking and everyone's.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Like, wait, are we recording? I'm like, no, we're hanging.
And I love that that's exactly the way we started.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So I'm just going to kind of rewind a little
bit so the audience can hear what we're talking about.
Because I know there's been some heavy news in the
last like 24 hours of Hayden and we don't know
all the details, but I wanted to check in and
make sure you're doing okay. And I know it's been
a tough morning in our household and And our hearts
(03:47):
are super heavy. And yeah, I wanted to check in
and see.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
How you're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. First of all, thank you for asking me that.
You know, I'm super emotional about it. I had never
worked with Hayden, but I had, you know, obviously followed
her career and I'm sure like brushed elbows with her
at some Hollywood thing, you know, somewhere. But I had
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been watching, you know, all of her interviews recently, especially
on Jay Shetty. And, you know, I just was like
very drawn to her being so vulnerable and open about
what she had been going through in her life. But
I also kind of felt like it was almost like
a cry for help from what I was watching. And
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I'm getting like chills now. talking about it right now
because when I opened up my phone this morning and
seeing that she had passed away, I was like shocked,
but also like, oh my God, like, did she have
the people around her who could help her? Because I
didn't know her and I wanted to just reach out
just when I was seeing her interviews. So, um, and I,
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I see my, I see myself in her a little
bit too, you know, being an actress in my early
forties and A blonde girl, right? That like you get
pigeonholed in this type of way. And I don't know.
I just I'm super emotional about it.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think it's a really important, important reflection. Like, I
really think as a culture, we need a reset. Like,
we need to take a real look. at ourselves and
what we're creating. And it's really not a safe space online.
And just like looking back at all of her interviews,
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it just looked like she could never come up for air.
Like no matter where it, like a child star, a
lot of fame at a very early age, absolutely abused.
And she was trying to have the right words to
talk about it. you know, you know, so many people
right now are talking about the postpartum thing, but the
industry ate her up and she.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Talked about it. She was like, I, I could never
do anything.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's like the second I picked up a drink or
a cigarette, it was, you know, media paparazzi on every,
you know, talking about her private parts, doing this and
then you're off here being abused sexually. It's just like
the list kept going on and on and on and on.
And it's, It's so true. And not only are we
seeing that, we saw the Perez Hilton.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Issue come to light.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's just like we have gone too far. And at
what point are we going to keep allowing this type
of behavior of posting about people?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Half of it's never true. And even if it is,
have some respect. These are humans. These are people with
real feelings.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And we don't always get it right. No one gets
it right. And it's just like we have no grace.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We have no empathy.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We have no like our reality has become so morphed
and jaded. And everything is about this cancel culture and like.
What about, like, loving your neighbor? What about, you know,
reaching out and being like, hey, dude, are you okay? Like,
it feels like it's hard. Like, you have no idea
what someone is walking with every single day. And we're
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just so quick to cut them off at their knees.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I know. And I think that that's why she was
taking those interviews and saying, you have no idea what
I've gone through. And I learned so much about her
while watching those. Yet, I don't know how to stop
the negativity and the hate anymore. Online, I don't know
how to do it. And it gets, I mean, I'm
not like that huge of a public figure and like,
but I get my own amount of hate coming towards me.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, you just, honey, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But I turn, I have to get off, I just
get offline. Oh, yeah, have to. Because I just, for
my own sanity and my own peace of mind, because
if you take the good from online, you also have
to take the bad. So I don't want to take
any at all. You know, I'm always like very I
just I just want peace. And I and I I
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just I wish that other people would have the decency
to treat actors and artists or public figures like as humans.
And I don't know how to how do you get
people to do that?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't know. People have to start speaking out and
talking about exactly what we're talking about is is humanizing
and reconnecting. Everything is so fragmented because of social media.
And it's just this hate pile on. It's like the
second one person starts, it's just like this snowball effect
that everyone jumps in on. And I'm like, you guys, like,
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this is so mean and so gross.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Why can't we just transfer all of that and exchange
it for love?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's what I try to do.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I know. Let's seriously. And that's, isn't that so beautiful too?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Like I know, your story lately has just been, it's hard, right?
It's because you're trying to like live your truth and
finally choose your joy.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And you spoke about it. Like, I just want peace.
I want happiness. You know, I'm in my forties.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I know you're in your forties and we're all doing
the best we fucking can. And it's like, no matter
what we do, whether we're out seeking and finding joy
and love, like everyone has an opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It's like, you can't fucking win.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And at some point, it's like.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Oh, my God, Anna, like, I'm so happy you're happy.
And whatever your happiness looks like, I want to be a.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Part of it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I want to support it. Like, what a joy.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I think people need to get to that point of, like,
your happiness is going to look different.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Your joy, your peace, everything.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Is going to look different per every family or household
or whatever the case is. And it's like, why can't
we just celebrate that instead of feeling we have to
chime in and make it about us?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Why does my life affect a stranger so much?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I actually don't know. I don't know. I wasn't born
like judging other people. And I also am just shocked
that the things that I choose to do in my
own personal private life, why does it affect you so much?
It blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Because people are fucking bored and they have nothing better
to do than insert themselves in shit they know nothing about,
which makes me want to bang my head against the
wall even more.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Me too. But then you just have to realize that
you just can't listen to it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You just can't listen to it. You really can't. And
you have to keep on trucking on your own path.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm like, I have a four-year-old and a five-year-old and
I just was with my friend this weekend at a
wedding and her 13-year-old is like, mama, I really want Snapchat.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
All the kids in my school are like, have Snapchat.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And I'm like, the thought, like when I went to
college and high school and all these things, I didn't
have any social media.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Homegirl was Living her life.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Thank God. Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Figuring it out. I feel so scared for my children.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm like, just know whatever you post up there will
never come down and will always come back to haunt.
Like these kids can't be kids anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like they have to be so protected.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It has to be so intentional and strategic. You can't
do stupid shit because it will affect you long term.
And I'm like, oh God, my kids, like literally they're
going to have the phone where it's like, you know,
the old.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
School ringer, the rotary, the rotary.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm like, it's going to be like cha-ching. And then
it's like, cha-ching.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I just, I didn't even have a beeper. I was
at the time where all I wanted was a beeper.
That's all I wanted. I had my parents. Oh, I
had it. You're so cool.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I was, I thought I was a doctor.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm like, First off, we had pay phones.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I had no money.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So it was like, okay, if someone paged me, it's like,
can I even call them back?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
No. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I'm not around to pay phone. I didn't have a
cell phone. But I did have– I had the clear one,
and I would, like, clip it inside my jeans, and
I thought I was so cool.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
If only.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
If only.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I was dying for that.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But we have to run it back because, Anna, you've
been in the.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Public eye– Jesus. I mean, you were like a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You are like a baby, baby. How?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And then I was reading up on your past and
you were like talking about how you were a shy kid. Very.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Incredibly. I had one friend, one friend, and she's still
my best friend to this day. I was so quiet.
I had an older sister. She was also into acting.
She kind of got me into acting. She's seven years older. Okay.
But I was like very quiet in class, like never spoke.
Every time the teacher would call me to write a
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math problem on the chalkboard, my heart would pound. I
did not want to get up in front of anyone,
super shy, super anxious. And then I did find theater.
I was a big theater nerd.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You and Sophia are the same. I die.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I literally just, it became my piece. And like, I
felt like I could be more confident when I was
playing a character. Like I was not necessarily confident being Anna,
but I was confident playing a role in something. And
that's where I found my freedom. And I think I
also realized through therapy, having a lot of therapy, that
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I wasn't really celebrated. I mean, at home I was
celebrated by my family, but my emotions were not. So
me talking back to say like my father or my
parents or stating what I wanted Um, wasn't really appreciated.
So I found a place where I could be vocal,
expressive and emotive. And that was acting for me. And
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that became my whole world.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's so interesting. Cause I like it's in, I'm trying
to like connect the dots because as a shy kid,
and then when you get to play someone else, you
like completely come alive and you can just kind of
morph into these characters and, So I'm curious what acting
gave you that everyday life didn't. Was it the safety
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to try to morph into a new character? Or what
was it for you to actually get out of your shell?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It was a safe space to just figure out who
I was. When I was home, I didn't have a voice.
I didn't really use my voice. Very quiet. So I
think it gave me a safe space to like figure
out who Anna was. At each age that I would
grow up and I would do plays, I would just
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feel very like free and safe at the same time.
And then I would come home and I would just
go up to my little room and shut the door
and be quiet and read a book. You know what
I mean? Such a nerd, such a nerd. Um, but
I'm proud of that person also. And I'm proud of
that person for who, you know, who I am today.
You know, she got me where I am today.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I imagine, and, and you went, was it so
early on, you were on Broadway early and it was
like with Daniel Radcliffe or Radcliffe.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Daniel.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. Harry Potter.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I was like, wait, my home girl, shy friend.
Is out here being like, I don't want to talk
to anyone. I have one friend, but I'm just going
to like bop on here and do my thing.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm like, how does this even work?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Totally naked, by the way.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I heard the vulnerability of both of you so early.
I'm like, yeah, that puts you out of your comfort
zone real, real quick.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I imagine. It did.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It did.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I didn't want that job. When I auditioned for it,
I was like, please don't let me get it. I pray.
I was like, please, God, I don't want to get it.
And I remember because I wasn't a person to like
walk around the gym naked. Like I was living in
New York at the time, like right out of college.
And I was like changing in the dance room, you know,
underneath my shirt. You know what I mean? Like all
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that stuff, like very, very, very shy. And then I
get that audition and I'm like, please, God, no. And
I get onto the train. I was living at Queens
in Astoria, Queens at the time. And I got the
call as the train went above ground. And it was like,
you got the job. And I think I started hyperventilating.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Because here's the thing. And I know most people here understand.
That show, how many days a week are you running
that same show? Seven?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Seven.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Eight shows a week.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Eight shows a week. You get like Monday off, like
one day off, right?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I get Monday off. I get Monday off. And I
am doing two shows on Wednesday. I mean, for months, too.
We did it for months and months and months and
months and months.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's the thing that people don't get.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Like you could be on camera and do one scene
and be like, whew, thank God that's over. They're going
to pick my highlights. They're going to have this as choreographed.
They're going to hit my good angles. Like intimate moments
on camera are so technical and not intimate at all.
But theater, it's like, girl, you have to do this
every night, sometimes two shows.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I mean, totally naked. Like, obviously, when you're doing a
sex scene or something in a movie or TV show, like,
you've got sweatpants on for half the shot, right? Yes.
But they're filming up here and you can do whatever
you want. You've got your socks on. For this, I mean, we,
Daniel and I, have to walk all the way down
to the front of the stage, slowly undress piece by
piece by piece. We're totally naked. And then I have
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to get on, like, a thing, like a bench or
something at the back. And there's onstage seating as well.
So we have people onstage up above me. And I
have to, like, spread my legs. And he gets on
top of me. And then I freeze there. I freeze
while he has a monologue for, like, three minutes totally naked.
And I was a badass, dude. Like, I don't think
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I could do that again. That's why I was just
going to ask you.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Do you think you'll ever go back to, like, Broadway
and doing– Would you go back to like Broadway in general?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well, I'm actually going back.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Not nudie 2D.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Not nudie 2Ds. Not nudie 2Ds. I'm not there yet.
But I am going back to do a show actually
this fall. So I'll be there. It's off Broadway. But
I'll be there through January 17th doing eight shows a week.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, we're going to be neighbors.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So, you know, you need to give me a call.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Are you in New York?
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I am.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I didn't know you guys were in.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh, I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
We're theater kids now. I guess you can call it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Oh, good.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Half the time I'm like, I don't know what's going on.
And Sophia is.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Just like, sometimes she's like hysterically sobbing.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm like, are you okay, honey?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
If you guys want to go out, let me know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, because there is just something about theater.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because she comes from that same background. And she just,
the way it moves her. emotionally when it's live she
does not act like that and like when we're watching
movies or anything I just think it's just like the
performance and like it really gets inside of you.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
What it takes like physically also to do it it's
like I am in awe of musical theater people this
is not a musical but like I'm in awe of
people who do it because it's just such a it's
such an athletic sport almost that you have to be
like your body has to be so in tuned.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Stay tuned I'll be back in just a moment after
this brief message from our sponsors. We can't talk about
you without talking about Pitch Perfect. So that really changed
the landscape of fucking everything that that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Came on the scene. And I was like, oh, this
is like a cultural moment. Did you know it was
going to be that big? Because it was like, it
was huge.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Absolutely not. I mean, we were blown away by the
response and the response that the first movie still gets.
Like I did a silly thing with Steph Curry like
a couple years ago. He said he was shaking to
meet me. And I said, excuse me?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And he was like, I couldn't believe it. And then
he practiced Bruno Mars just the way you are. And
he wanted to sing it with me. So me, his, me,
his wife, we sang a song from Pitch Perfect and
he said it made his whole life. And I was like,
I'm talking to Steph Curry right now. And you're a
fan of mine.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I mean, he's geeky.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Of course. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But we all know it was such a huge moment.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And the cast, whoever casted that movie was like, sometimes
you just nail it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And it just, it, it, They nailed it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
The cast was absolutely incredible for this movie, but also
so gay.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Are we going to talk about that? Let's talk about it.
Do we have a group.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Chat where we're like, ha, ha, ha, ha, we're all
gay now?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
What?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
We're like, you know, we're not all gay.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Technically, technically. Yes, I do know what you mean. I do. Well,
you know, I don't know. Maybe we are. I don't know.
But yeah, no, it was a very, just like queer thing. Like,
it wasn't technically, like, queer storylines. Like, I remember just
Rebel being, like, lesbianist and, like, adding all of these things, right?
And just, you know, obviously just, like, the singing aspect
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of it. And it was right after Glee, I think, like,
the first season of Glee came out. Yeah. And, you know,
it was such an amazing table read when we had
that table read. Like talking about what you just said
about the casting, like looking around and like I can't
imagine another actor or actress playing those roles. Like we were,
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it was like lightning in a bottle kind of thing.
And the fact that that movie still holds up. Like, just, like,
I go out now and, like, I get people being like, Akka, what? Like,
excuse me. And, you know, it's cute.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's cute.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, it's weird. We were just at a wedding. No,
it's not. You're being really nice. I don't have to
be as nice, okay? So I'm just going to say this.
We were at a wedding.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And, you know, this weekend, there's always a little, you know,
booze going on. You know, people get a little more
courage and a little bit more handsy.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
At a wedding. It's a little more intimate.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Some girl came flying up to Sophia and being like,
oh my God, my favorite line.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And she started talking about something. Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Literally telling Sophia lines from One Tree Hill or.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
John Tucker Must Die. I don't even remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like can't even remove who Sophia is and who the
character is. And I'm curious, like when you're out and about,
sometimes I feel like fans just see you As these, like,
characters and not really, like, who you are. And I
know Sophia does such a good job. But I'm like,
this girl tried to hug her seven times.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I'm like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's a lot. And we're going back and forth on lines.
It's getting weird. We're, like, not in, like, a work environment.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Scary. I'm sure you guys.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It never stops.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It doesn't. And it's, like, I know people say, like,
it's part of the job and, you know, all of that. And, like,
I mean... It's like to a point, to a point,
it's part of the job. Like I didn't sign up
to get like attacked or sign up to get like
screamed at. Like I got screamed at the airport right
after Scream came out. A girl was going through the metal.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
And she goes, she's screaming. She goes, oh my God.
And I go, what? What happened?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Who's behind me?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like, what did I do? And she's like, oh my God,
I just saw Scream. Oh my God. Oh my God.
And like, she was like shaking with her thing. And I, listen,
I love being an actor. I love that people respond
to my work and like what I do. I mean,
that is why, that's part of why I do it.
Like I act because I love telling stories. I love
connecting with my fellow castmates. I love making people who
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watch it feel less alone in some way. And I
love it when people like what I do. If it
gets a little creepy, that's when I'm like, I feel
like you have to be able to separate the character
from the actor. And that goes to a little bit
about like what we were saying about celebrity culture at
the beginning of this where people can't separate the person
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from the actor in the movie or the character or
like the celebrity walking down the street or on the
talk shows. Like there's Anna Camp at home and Anna
Camp like hanging out with her girlfriend and Anna Camp
walking her dogs. And then there's Anna Camp like on
Kelly and whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.
I'm not the same person. Like that still works. And
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I think that it's just like hard for people to
understand that sometimes that it's separate.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And I'm really curious because you spoke a lot about
dismantling some of the armor you've built up throughout your life,
which I imagine most of you who have grown up
in this industry had to.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What was that armor protecting you from? Because I know
you've talked about it. But like there's a hardness that
I think for safety and for your own personal life,
you all.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Have to put up in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But I was just curious when you talk about that,
what were you, are you protecting that young child who
could have been eaten up by that industry that you
still live in? I mean, it's just such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Of speaking about it. And I think as, you.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Know, we put a bow on what we've been talking
about since the top of the show, I think boundaries
and peace and all these things are really important. And
it's not just people who have a beautiful legacy of
their work in the public eye.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It could be an everyday, you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Know, there's women who get abused. There's women who feel
like they can't leave because of children. There's so many
armors that we build up as women in general because
we have to fucking carry so much.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I would love for you to.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Talk about that. Great question. So I think the dismantling
of my armor, I grew up in a very southern household,
South Carolina. You know, there was an idea of what
it meant to be a girl or a woman. And
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it was also, you know, not stepping out of those
boundaries and always being being liked and never doing something
that was going to get you disliked um just being
accommodating kind sweet and having your opinion not rock the
boat in any way and it was ingrained in me
(27:32):
like ingrained in me up until my i would say
recently to to not be um Like the dirty, gross,
ugly parts of a person, I was like, they don't
exist in me. And I've had to slowly take off
this shiny exterior that wasn't me. It was a fully
(27:53):
different human being that I built to walk through the
world so I would be liked and not risk truly
being myself. And it's been hard to dismantle that. But
I mean... I'm so fucking happy that I am doing it.
And at this point, because I could have gone through
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my life, I could have stayed married to either husband.
You know what I mean? Like, I could have, though.
I do, too. I could have, though, and just, like,
kept going and, like, divorce is bad or whatever and, like,
just kept going the route that I was taught was
the best way to go. And instead, I was like, no,
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I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
And I.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I feel it's scary. It's scary, especially in the public eye.
Even if I wasn't in the public eye, it would
be scary for me to be doing this just with
my family, you know, and they've been very accepting. But that's,
I think, what I'm talking about is like letting go
of the risk of like, who cares if everybody doesn't
like me?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Who actually cares? Because I love myself and I love
who I'm becoming. And that is the path that I
want to continue to walk.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And it's so beautiful that you say that. And I
just have to acknowledge the bravery. And for everyone listening
out there, it's never too late to start over or
choose yourself or choose your truth or fuck it.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If you feel like, you.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Know, everyone's telling you to fall in line and like
that is not for you, we can't just keep falling
in line because that's what society tells us to do
or that's what our parents tell us to do. Like,
We all are different we all have to live our
truth and you said one of the biggest emotional obstacles
you faced was coming out in your 40s and you
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were feeling guilt for not embracing it sooner and this
you know during this incredible excitement and you know freedom
so many people had eyes on you and so many
people were like well what are you what.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Is it and it's like Fuck you guys.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Like, I'm just trying to be me and I'm trying
to choose joy and I'm not putting so much pressure
on the labels and.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What it looks like for you. It feels fucking right
for me.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
And that's all that should matter. Yes. Should be.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Very well said. Absolutely. That's that's what I felt. And
that's what I continue to feel.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
How has life felt different since you allowed yourself to
live more fully in your truth?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Oh God, I feel like a huge stack of anvils
have been lifted off of my back. Yeah. I mean,
just huge. I feel like I have like wings now.
Like I feel like I can actually fly now in
a way that I never felt before. I just, I
feel like the word love is bigger than I ever
(30:49):
even felt the word love was before. Yeah. I just,
I think I just, it's like walking through the world
and going, oh, it's not so black and white. Yeah,
it really isn't. And it's colorful and beautiful. And all
of the people that have reached out to me and
embraced me and not judged me in the community that
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I've found has been so stunning that I just encourage
anyone who is listening to go like, you can do
it too.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You can do it too.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Because I do, I imagine, Anna, that there was a
point where your happiness probably became more important than other
people's expectations of you.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hell yes.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Because you can only fucking fake it for so long.
And even Sophia says this as someone who came out
in her 40s.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I just like as for I can only speak for myself.
I definitely don't want to speak for you. But like
as women, we're so fucking worried about what everyone else
thinks of us. Or if we're in trouble, do we
do something wrong? Did we hurt someone's feelings? Like we
become so good at abandoning our own fucking values and
feelings in life to serve other people. It also becomes exhausting.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, your identity gets lost in all of that.
And you're like, where's my joy? Where's my life? Who
am I? When I'm constantly waking up and I turn
on the phone and I've got Instagram telling me that
I need to do this, this, and this to my
body in order to be acceptable. I need to wear this, this,
and this and buy this product to be better. Why
am I constantly looking and being told that I have
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to be better than I already am? Like it's a lie.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's a lie.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
You don't have to do any of it. You know,
and I I just I just feel so lucky that
I that I embraced this and that I had the
courage to to be myself and still find myself now.
Like life isn't like just because I've come out. Doesn't
mean life is now like over and better. No, we're
still becoming. We're still becoming constantly and constantly. And I'm
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trying to not abandon myself any longer.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah. And that's such a great way to put it
because you did say something that stuck with me. It
was essentially like, you know, I've only got one life
to live and I want to choose happiness. I want
to be happy. I don't want to just like, this
is it. You know, like there's not more to this.
And I ask this because I had to go through
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this myself as someone who went through a very public
divorce and it was very, very hard. Do you feel
that you have given yourself grace.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
For what was in order.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
To be where you're at, 10 toes down fully in
your body, to be able to grasp and have this
life again? Right now in this moment, like it took
a lot of work for me because I felt like
I disappointed people and I hurt people to choose myself.
And like I had to give myself grace for that.
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And no one is harder on us as women than ourselves.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
But I'm just curious if.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Like you ever thought about that or you do you
have any relation to that? Did you give yourself grace
for your past and now living like really in your
truth or?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
No, not really at all.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I think that I need to do more of that.
I really do. I think that a lot of what
I do is like block it out or just like
focus on the future. Move forward. Move forward. You're here now.
You're here now. Don't like go back and even think
about the memories or think about those things. And funnily enough,
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you asked me this. I live in Palm Springs. I
go back and forth between here and L.A., But I
was just on my computer yesterday and I was like,
my friend, my best friend, Bonnie, who was my one friend. Bonnie,
come on, Bonnie. From high school. She asked me if
I had a photo of like this old ratty car
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that she used to drive. And I was like, let
me go look at my computer and like look back
and see if I have any. And I found myself
looking at photos from my past and my past relationships
and And, and I had, I had had, I have
experienced a lot of negative things in those relationships, but
I also was finding joy and photos of myself when
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I was younger, laughing with these people, having beautiful moments.
And it was something that I was like, it was
the act of giving grace. I think that I wasn't
even like trying to do, but it was allowing myself
to open that file, go back and, and look at
the girl that, was happy and did have joy and
(35:44):
has come so far. Um, and it's hard to explain
what was happening, but I felt like I was in
process of giving my, my younger self grace. Yeah. Like
it was an emotional experience that I kind of had
yesterday just by myself, hanging out with my dogs, looking
at my old photos and going, wow, you've come so far,
(36:04):
but you also need to be thankful for your past
and the people that you loved and the people that
loved you. And just because it didn't work out, it
doesn't mean that those experiences were not valuable. So that's
kind of, you know, I think what I was doing,
but I want to continue to do it to do
that because You can't block it out. You have to
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like embrace all of the things that led you to
the moment that you're at right now.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
And that's such an important way of putting it because
I think discovering something new about yourself doesn't necessarily mean
everything that came before it wasn't real or wasn't your truth. Right.
It's just we're constantly evolving. We're constantly changing. We're constantly learning.
I mean, I say this genuinely. I'm relentlessly curious. And
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for people who are artsy and constantly curious, you're always
asking questions, which means you're always evolving.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Like, I say this, and I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Don't know if this is the athlete in me. Complacency
is the death of me.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't want, especially at 40, I want to be tested.
That's why I love this show, you know, just really
having real conversations with people who just– want to become
the best version and are figuring themselves out in every
season and learning from it constantly and also choosing to
(37:29):
be vulnerable and brave enough to say, you know what,
this is for me and I'm going to live in
that truth because I'm tired of trying to make everyone
else happy by shrinking what I want in myself and
my values and my happiness, my peace, my joy, all
of the things.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There's just so many layers of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I really try to be a master evolver. Yes. That's
what I try to call myself, a master evolver. I
like change. I like new. I like growing. But I
love evolving into the next season of my life. What
is the next chapter going to be like? And instead
of like shutting off, it's like, I mean, wide open, right?
(38:12):
Like being wide open to the possibilities and the experiences
and the things that happen because we only do get
one life so true and if you if you have
a idea of what it's gonna be like good fucking
luck because it's not gonna be at all the idea
of what you thought it was gonna.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Be exactly and and i hope like i got to
meet you in person at the out 100 um to
celebrate you know what an amazing achievement that you were
i think it was out 100 queer change makers yes
is that correct And you.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Were one of those people. And, you know, congratulations, clearly.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
But it took a lot to get there. And I
don't think that's the thing people don't see. The hardest
part that people don't realize is you're literally discovering something
deeply personal and new about yourself all while in the
public eye.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So people can fucking have an opinion about it. And
it's really, really hard. And you held it. So gracefully.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
And you are such a big deal in the community.
And you've been trying to navigate this whole coming out
experience the best way you know how to. And that's
just really going through it, embracing it. And I'm curious
if you felt any pressure. feeling like, okay, now I'm
like a... Not only were you a big Anna Camp
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identity in the acting world and Broadway and all these
different pieces of who you are, now you're a big
character in the queer community.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
And that's a lot of pressure. It is because.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You know, we are a marginalized community. We have a
lot of pain.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
We have a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
We know what it's like to not be wanted and
feel not like the rest and not.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Falling in line.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
But have you given yourself, like, permission just to simply
belong and experience this first? Or do you feel like
you have to put the captain's hat on?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
I feel like I definitely had a choice to either,
you know, come out... privately to my family or and
you know be like this is who I'm dating this
is who I'm in love with kind of thing or
to answer these questions fully and to accept the out
100 honor so I had like a moment in time
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where I was like you could either do you could
not do it or you could do it and I
said well I I feel so free And so excited
by everything that's going on in my life. I think
to like keep it down and push it down and
make it kind of this like hush-hush secretive thing is
the antithesis of what I want and what I want
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to do. So for me, it was like a no-brainer.
I was like, no, I don't know if I've put
on a captain's hat per se, but I do feel
as if I am– fully visible in this. And that
to me is my own little, like, I'm out here, man,
I'm out here. And like, it should be normalized, right?
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Like it should be normalized. You should be able to like,
love who you love. That's really at the end of
the day. It's just that simple. So I was excited
by the opportunities and the questions because it was, it
just felt freeing for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'll be back in just a moment after this brief
message from our sponsors. I asked this just because at length,
Sophia and I have really spoke about this. With the
personal evolution of becoming this person that you are now
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in this season of your life, this constant evolution is happening.
I find that....
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I say this, I think.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Your career now is evolving differently. You know, is it
Serpent and Salt and Honey? And you just said you're
coming back to New York. Like she speaks about this
and I'm going to paraphrase it, but I'm wondering if you.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Feel it too.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Like when you really live in your body, when you
really live in your truth, it changes the way you
show up for the characters and the roles you pick.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
She said this. She's like, I am such a better.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Version of myself because I've let it all, all the
bullshit and the expectations and all the things I've carried,
like you said, to be the pretty girl in Hollywood,
to be the young sought after straight girl with blonde
hair and beautiful voice and popular. It's like she dropped
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the fucking rope and she's so, she's such a better,
you know, I've done this a long time ago. And
my career is over now. But I'm curious if you're
feeling that sense of freedom, knowing exactly who the fuck
you are right now and showing up in these roles
and feeling such liberation and freedom to really like now
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you probably know you can do anything.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Like nothing scares you.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I mean, I definitely I've changed a lot and I
have evolved a lot. I mean, I was acting as
a person for years of my life, for decades of
my life, I was acting. And now I am a
better actor because I'm not fucking acting any longer in
my real life. And I can, I can look at
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the page. I can look at the words. I can
look at the person and like, I'm bringing a pure, whole,
no masked human being into to that instead of a
person who was worried about being liked worried that they
had to present an idea to the world of who
they are like that's all bullshit like like this is
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like like a whole new chapter man this is a
whole new Anna a whole new actor a whole new
artist because I'm fully realizing myself and and like as
an artist isn't that what we're supposed to be doing
and that's why I'm so excited for this half, this,
this other chapter of my career post 42, 43, like
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what happens in my fifties? What happens in my sixties?
What roles am I going to get? And how I'm going,
I'm going to be so different from when I was
in my twenties, bringing it a person that was so
scared to something. And now I'm like, like, thank you
for getting me this far. But like, I'm fucking done
and we're going this way now kind of thing. So, yeah,
I think whatever Sophia is saying, I completely identify with.
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And it feels so good and empowering to be there.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, it's just like the pep in her step, you know?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
She's just like, I'm like, girl, whoa, you.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Are really feel like she is in her body.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And I like, I love every, like, as.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
She continues to get more and more comfortable with who
she is. You see the impact.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
It just like radiates outside of her.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
And like me too.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I truthfully am as I am the happiest I have
ever been. And I look back at photos and I go, oh,
I don't even recognize that girl.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Is she okay?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
She looks empty. Totally.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
She looks soulless inside, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I was like, oh, God, that cortisol was really running
rampant through those veins, honey.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
I'm still trying to lower mine. I'm lowering mine to
this day. I'm doing all the things. So we're getting there.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, talk to me about these new projects coming out.
What do we get to look forward to? What do
we get to see? Like, I want to know everything.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Um, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Okay. Well, I have a, I do have a HGTV
show I'm stoked about.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
What? You know, this is my favorite like thing to watch.
This is my favorite network all night.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I didn't know. I didn't know. So September 15th, it's
called A Very Haunted Renovation. And I am the host.
And six designers are renovating and living in a real
haunted house. It's called Beale Manor. It's in Ohio. I
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saw some crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
No.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
It's so haunted. I'm getting chills. It's a competition show,
but like it's so fun and so cool. And they
have to renovate the haunted house while keeping it within
like a kind of, Haunted Mansion style, but modernizing it
at the same time. It's super fun. I'm so excited.
So that's something that I can't wait for everybody to watch.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So exciting. Yay.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Oh my. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I can't wait for it. You know who I've been
watching a lot of in the last week? Jonathan Knight.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Okay. I want to say.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
He has a Reno show.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Oh, no way. Okay.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
He does.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And it's so good. And he's got like, he's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
And I've been really enjoying it. So if you haven't
watched that, go check it out. Wait, why can't I
remember what band that was?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
It's either New Kids on the Block or Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Oof, no, it's not because I know those Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
That's like my karaoke song, so... If you want to
know anything about me, if you want to know anything
about me, I have a video. I just was performing
last week in the Hamptons to my karaoke song.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Oh, my gosh. But I don't know why I'm drawing.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah. You are my, the one that's you, like, you.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Are my fire.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
That one.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Classic.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
I don't remember the song name. Why am I drawing
a blank? But you know what? My fire, maybe.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Tell me why.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
So we're going to karaoke together.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
It's a date. Yes, please. Thank you. I'll sing my
Nancy Sinatra. These boots are made for walking. Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Also, like, I'm a little raunchy, too.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I like a good, like, you know, genuine from the
old school days.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
A little body roll.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
A little body roll.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I like get it going. I'm in full character.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Get out. Get out. I'm dying. That sounds so fun.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I am such a lesbian. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I'm sorry in advance. I am like, Sophia can't take
me anywhere. I'm about to post some videos of me
from this wedding. And when I tell you, I'm bumping
and grinding to genuine.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Dead.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And then all of a sudden, the DJ goes, pour
it up, pour it up from Rihanna.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
And I was like, my mind? Blew up. I melted.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
My skin fell on the floor and my bones just
started moving.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Don't worry, everyone. I'm going to post it.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I'm going to post it.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I hope she gets out there and she starts dancing
with you. I hope she does.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
She was like, girl, you are feeling yourself.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
And I'm like, who me? Who me?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh, my God. I'm dying. I'm dead. That was so funny.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Get to New York. We're going to karaoke.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
To all my great queer people out there it's never
too late to start over don't be trapped in shit
you don't want to be trapped in yeah honestly thank
you for your story though it's oh my god of
course and and also like you didn't choose this life
you didn't choose all of this chaos and the way
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everyone's always in your business, but you've done it so
gracefully and beautifully and our community is so lucky.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
To have you a part of it.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Your partner seems absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Magical and you both look wonderful.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
You look very happy and it's sacred and keep that
peace and keep those boundaries.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Keep choosing joy and keep choosing yourself.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm so proud of you and I'm excited for our
date night.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Oh my God, me too. And thank you for letting
me come on here and talk and share and hopefully
inspire other people. I love that. I love that. I'm
looking forward to our date.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
And I'm looking forward to more conversations. So everyone, thanks
for tuning in. Anna, thank you for coming. Thanks for
being so vulnerable and wide open as always.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
And everyone, go check out her new projects.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Go follow her on all of her social handles and
your Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Accounts and all of that. Do you want to say
what they are?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I mean, I'm at the real Anna Camp on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Okay. Okay. So not cool.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
So not cool.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
But also come to New York and come see me
in my play called 222 at the Lortel Theater.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Wait, you're kidding.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
It's 222?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yes. I did it at the Amundsen. Like, oh, my God.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Sophia did it. Yes. Okay, so I did it at
the Amundsen Theater, and now I'm doing it in New York,
and I forgot that she did it in London, right?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
In London.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
That is crazy. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Wait, who's your character?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
I think we're playing the same character. I'm playing Lauren.
I am.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
We're coming. We're coming. When's opening night? We're coming.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Oh, my goodness. I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I'll let you know. Okay, all the gays, you heard
it here first, okay? We need to show up for 222, Lauren.
We will be in the audience. I want to see
all lessees. Me too. Okay, thank you. That will be great.
And that is somewhat a small world.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
That's right. I totally forgot that she did the same character.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Incredible.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
So many date nights. Everyone, get ready because we're about
to be popping. Just so you know, we're going to
be in them streets.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
We're going to be karaoke-ing it up.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Well, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
And everyone, thanks for joining us for another episode of
Wide Open.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
And we'll see you all next week. Anna, thank you
so much for coming on the show. One of the
things I keep learning through these conversations is that becoming
yourself isn't something you finish.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
We put so much pressure.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
On ourselves to know who we are by a certain age.
But maybe growth isn't being willing to admit that the
person you were at 25 doesn't have to make every
decision for the person you are at 40. You can
change your mind. You can change direction. You can love differently.
You can start again. And none of this erases who
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you were before. It just means you're still becoming. Anna,
thank you so much for being open. And thank you
all for being here again and again and again. And
constantly choosing to evolve, to become, to think outside of
the box, to be open-minded, and.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
To connect and do this together. We'll see you next
week on another episode of Wide Open.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Bye.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Bye.
Host
Ashlyn Harris
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