June 26, 2026 • 30 mins
Having spent much of her life meeting other people's expectations, Brooke Shields is now defining success on her own terms. In part two of this intimate conversation, she reflects on aging, creative control, second acts, and why her popular mystery series "You're Killing Me" feels uniquely aligned with where she is today. Plus, find out how a broken bone led Brooke to one of the most important realizations of her life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome
back to the second portion of our conversation with our
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favorite gal Brookshields. I think there's something so special about
finding your friendships as women, and certainly something that I
think I cherish, especially in our you know, crazy line
of work, and you are one of the people who
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lives in the way that I feel like I want to.
I have looked up to you likewise for so long
because you make sure, despite you know, being the face,
you know, being the icon, like being all of the
things that sometimes women are told they're only allowed to be,
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you add all of your full humanity onto it. And
you've you've shared work about reclaiming ownership of your story.
You know, your your books, as I mentioned, have just
been so beautiful. You've you've lived through moments of celebrity
culture and also helped us process it, and you've made
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us I think think about those things more deeply. And
I'm curious how you feel about fame now. Do you
feel like for you it's healthier? Do you feel like
it's a ruse? Like how what is your relationship? You've
been famous for fifty years?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Like why is that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, so that's a question actually that it's surprising me,
not now because it's been coming up. It's surprising that
it has been coming up of late. And I'm sort
of wondering what is in the zeitgeist and what just
I think because with with internet sensations and TikTok stars
and reality shows and right, and you ask a kid
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what they want to be when they grow up and
they say famous, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You used to be. I want to be a doctor
or I want to be this.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I think people are starting to really look at fame differently,
like what does it really mean? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And is it good? Is it bad? Is it purposeful?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Is it because it doesn't it doesn't rely on the
same criteria that it used to rely on in many ways,
and infamous and famous is also you know what I mean?
Like that that sort of the relationship between those two
things I think is very different in this day and
age and for this next generation is coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
What I have I used to fight it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I used to try to shy away from it, try
to hide it. Don't want to revel in it, don't
want to don't want to oh it because it just
came with too much and it felt like it was
cannibalizing my life, right, So I fought for to be regular,
and I fought to real friends, and I thought I'd
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get an education and all those things, and you kind
of come to this. I've had to come to this
conclusion that it's not going away, and I now look
at it as a business.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And when I was able.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
To sort of make that switch in my head, I
didn't resent it anymore. And yes, I still want privacy,
and I and I, you know, I'm always amazed at
how people don't listen when they're you know, they come
up and they have to tell their story to you,
and you know, I knew you. I had your genes
or your doll or your this, and you were in
my locker and you're like and you could be literally
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saying like I'm actually bleeding out right now, and if
I don't get to the hospital, I probably will die
right here, and it's going to be ugly and really messy,
and and you could literally have a narrative that is that,
and they go, I know, right, and you and my
sister went on and this, and and you're just like, wow,
people really need to just make it about them, And
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that moment and they're desperate for it. And that used
to make me crazy, you know, and it used to
be and then and then the selfie and the autograph
figure just kind of going like.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
There's nothing to do with me, It's all about you.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Then I just sort of stopped and said, Okay, first
of all, let's have empathy for those people, because if
this is the most exciting thing this happened to, I'm like,
I feel bad, you know, if I'm it, you know,
or if that moment is so important to them, let
let them have it. But also, you know, say thank
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you and and but I have to catch a plane
or whatever it is. And it can be kind and
you can still protect yourself. But as an actor, you know,
I've had to look at it more as a commodity
element and use it and access it and pick up
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that phone call and call an executive. And you know
where I never would have done it. I was, you know,
only to be humble and be smaller and be everybody,
you know, don't you know, walk on to a set
and be a I have to walk on to a set.
And I can be kind and have a wonderful work ethic,
but I'm a boss and I have to act like it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And owning that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Power or that fame or whatever you want to call
it has given it this its purpose to me in
a very different way. And you know, it got me
a pickup bun of show, you know what I mean.
And I know it did because of all the publicity
I did and the people wanted, you know, and I thought, Okay,
don't resent it. It's not taking from your life. If
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you can harness it appropriately and don't ever overuse it,
but use it correctly and fairly, you can have a long,
longer career, you know. And I think that that's been
only in older years. Wow, you know, it's a little
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It took me a while because in a way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I was like, oh, that's two.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But then I started looking at it as an executive
producer and as a as someone.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I was talking to the head of the union and
we were at an afl CIO event which was all
the different unions and the presidents of all the unions
and Actor's Equity was there and I went as the president.
And this one woman is just such a dynamo and
she runs all of I mean, she runs the automotive
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union and the constructor union, and she's just this lovely
mom and this beautiful like she's just a great person.
And she said to me, she called me up one
day and she's like, I have to tell you something,
and I said, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
She said, you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You don't step into your power and you deserve to
and you really really should. And she said, not just
as a union leader, because it's the most uncomfortable thing
for me, but because it's all about taking the attention
and speaking on I can speak on behalf of people
and four people, but I'm used to being of the
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people more. And I think that she said, that's that's
that's known more. You you've to stand in it and
be as big as you can be. And and I
had a therapist who said the same thing, and it
was a It's been a very interesting few years of
being okay walking into a room with my head held
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high and not howlogizing, you know. And I think that that.
I think many women do experience that, yes, And I
want to keep telling them it's not arrogance, it's ownership
and it's a privilege to be able.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
To have that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And that's changed while I've been getting to this sort
of stage in my life and I'm taking more risks
and I'm and then there's a freedom in it too,
And it's amazing what people want that from you, you know,
they want they want that, they look to it and
so you putting yourself down is not it's not helpful
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to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And now a word from our sponsors, who make this
show possible. It's an interesting thing because men are asked
to humble themselves as they succeed. And I will never
forget Connie Britton said something to me similarly to what
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you're saying now. We were, you know, talking about something
we had done and she was gonna post something and
was like she was asking me for like a what's
a what's another way to say? And I said, I
don't know, maybe because this is such a you know,
monumentous moment, open with like something like I'm just so
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humbled to be here. And she looked at me and
she goes, no, I'm not humbled. I worked for this,
and I went oh. And it was this sort of
moment where I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, and also
like your broken shields. She's Connie freaking Britain, you know,
like I'm looking at my friends going oh, right, and
I could see it for other people always, and I
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could do exactly what you're saying. I could say, step
into your power. Know you're worth, organize for more. Our
unions deserve a raise, people deserve healthcare. You know, everyone
deserves rights. Da da da da da da. And it
took me until the last couple of years to realize
I can inhale and expand and speak out power more
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power for us. I take it away from myself in
every second, all the time I and I am currently
in a season where I am trying to recalibrate my
relationship with and my comfort with who I am. Like
I can look at every woman in my life and say,
you are first name and last name. Can I say
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that about myself? And it is a really interesting moment
to go, Oh, I'm sort of an expert analyst at
systems that affect us negatively in the world, and I
have not given myself the same grace to look at
the way I have been impacted by a system that
wants to take worth away from women whoa like. It's
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a crazy it's a crazy moment, and it's really cool
to hear you talking about owning your power when you
walk in a room because I've thought of you as
like this gorgeous, powerful person for as long as I've
known you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean, it's I think that's a common thing.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think women are so used to holding other people
up and taking care of and supporting, and you know, you,
you you spend it all and then you don't have
it for yourself, and it's like, yeah, yeah, but and
you were a part of the like somehow not a
part of the club.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And I think you know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I also, humility isn't interesting being humble and being I
always thought that that was the key, and I had
I had a trainer once who said I will never
teach my children to be humble, and I said, wow,
I always thought that that was a good thing. I
thought those who weren't humble were arrogant. And he said,
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I'm not saying you have to be bad or arrogant
or mean or stuck up or anything like that. But
you walk into a room leading with being humble, and
you've just made yourself smaller.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You can be gracious, you could be thankful.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
You can be humbled by seeing something unbelievable, that's beautiful,
or that's something and a child, you know, that is,
that is being brought to the core of that's not
bad healthy humility, maybe healthy humility, and willingness to willingness
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to celebrate yourself, because how do we expect others to
do it if.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We don't, you know, And you think, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Used to think, oh, I'll self deprecate and then they'll
like me, and then they'll they'll stick up for me.
And then you start believing your self deprecation and then
you start actually being self deprecated to yourself, and then
you're like, oh, wait a minute, and then you're mad
because you feel less then. Yeah, and it's very it's
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the opposite of arrogance. And it's taken me quite some time.
And listen, it served me in the beginning, do you
know what I mean? Because people did like me, and
they did want to work with me, and they did
make friends, and it did put people at ease at
first when they first met me because I was famous
and they weren't or whatever. And it's a stick, you know,
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And and it's funny at times. But as I've gotten older,
it just doesn't fit the same way.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's freeing too, you know, but it's kind of daily
you sort of have to. I have to work on
it daily because I'll fall right into the pattern again
so quickly. And I was, this is a crazy story.
I broke my femur and I was a couple of
few years ago and I was on the ground in
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a gym and I just finished this like crazy two
week challenge that I don't know I needed to do
it for whatever reason. And the paramedics are there and
I'm on the ground and I mean, I'm in the
kind of pain that is unfathomable. I mean, like like
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animal sounds are coming out of me.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And I could see.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
The paramedic recognize me in that moment, he recognized me,
and without missing a freaking beat, as in pain as
I was, I started to say something like not blue lagoon,
but like something for childy right to like, because I
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saw it in.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
His eyes, you were you were going to crack the joke.
It always plays well.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Right, And within a second my trainer grabs my shoulder
and he goes hey, and I kind of looked up.
He goes, you don't have to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And it was that moment that then I ended up
being just able to just I think I passed out
because of the pain.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But it was I thought, wow, this is so hardwired
into me.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yes, I'm even doing it with a broken femur and
I'm dying who They didn't know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
If I was in internal bleeding or like.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It was so so dire and serious and my I
did it even that second. And this was like five
years ago maybe, And I remember like waking up in
the hospital and being in excruciating pain and they wouldn't
give me another X ray. And I finally said, look,
if you want me to be a hysterical female, I
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can do it. I said, I'm really good at it.
And I said, but give me another X ray. Thank
god I did, because my bone had popped off the device.
And I thought, self advocacy, yep, and not don't do
it anymore. Stop just it's not it's not attractive either.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's not good for your girls.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, you don't have to poke fun at yourself
to make other people comfortable.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And it's hard, it's hard, and it's you know, again,
there is a stick in it that kind of does
serve you in a way. It doesn't feel like it
fits anymore. And that's been really kind of eye opening
for me in this era of your life.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well when you talk about how it doesn't fit and
it's a new era and there is a new job,
and you've said you are you are the boss, you
are the executive producer.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know you You.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
By the way, fought to defend the title of your show.
And I love that. It's that you're killing me is
it's the phrase, It's the perfect joke. It's it's also
a little bit of spice in the cozy core mystery world,
you know, for those of us who were raised on
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Angela Lansbury like, I love that you have managed to
thread this needle for yourself. And I'm really curious, did
you set kind of intentions for this on day one?
Because you've been on this journey of oh, the old
shtick doesn't fit. Did you go into this job a
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new version of yourself?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Very much so. And I was fearheading the whole thing.
I mean, I reached.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Out to the showrunner and I'd worked with her multiple times,
and I knew she got my humor and I knew
her writing was smart.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I called her and I.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Said, look, I know we've done movies and episodes here
and there of things, I said, but let's let's write
a let's create.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
A show, Let's find a goal.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And she was like, well, mysteries are very popular right now,
and only murders in the building and Matt Walcke and
murder she wrote, and all of those that kind of
it's kind of coming back, and it's this cozy mystery
sort of a thing. And I said, you know, there's
a huge appeal and it is very much a big
chunk of my audience. And I said, let's and we
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just started talking and brainstorming, and I said, you know,
I'm fascinated by generational differences. And I have kids who
make fun of me and they are in their twenties
and it's funny, but it's also we both teach each other.
So we brought that kind of put in the mystery world.
She came up with this, this sort of idea of
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this character, and every step of the way, I knew
I was going to be an executive producer, but I've
never been an executive producer that had that much say
and that, you know, AMC would call me and say,
what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Or how about this?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Direct her and these actors and what about this? And
they actually wanted my opinion, and I fought for things.
I fought for the title. I fought to keep the
humor in. You know, they get very safe with me.
They want me to just be non offensive and pretty
and and not you know, networks, you know, just keep her,
keep her likable, and and I'm like, no, the reason
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why these characters are likable is because they're flawed and
they're funny.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And we're not doing bloody glory. We're doing Agatha Christie.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
We're doing a little bit of you know, a little
wink without taking you out of it, but you're doing
We're doing things that are relationship oriented. And these people
you care about. I mean, yes, there's a body that's
going to drop every week, right sleep be a little town,
a little fishing safe, little fishing town. And but I
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walked into this whole thing. I pitched it with her,
We pitched it to AMC and amc Acorn, and from
every step of the way, I watched them look at
me differently, and look at my history and my experience
and nostalgia and fame and all of those pieces put together.
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And then I worked my ass offtware for the show
and for the edit and for the pr and I said,
you know, you guys have the capacity and the capability
to make this a hit or not.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I will. I will do everything I can, and I
know I.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Can get the publicity and get the outlets and the
I mean to be on these competing shows. I don't
know how the press department did that, but you know, normally,
if you do one, you can't do the other, and
everybody owns you. And it just I kind of really
looked at it, and I walked on to set every
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day and I set an example. And you watched it
in the electrics, You watched it in the gaffers, you
watched it in the dolleypoll, you know, and guys, these
crunchy old guys would come up, you know, came up
to me and said, you know, you really make this
an enjoyable place to be and you make me laugh every.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Day and it's really good.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
We want to like And these guys have been pulling
cable for you know, fifty years, you know what I mean, and.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They've seen it all.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And there was such respect for the way that I
set the tone for the for the set, and people
worked extra hard and it was just it was so
great to sort of be able to be that example
and feel really not feel arrogant about it, but just
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feel like I did earn the right to have these
opinions and also say like, please prove me wrong, and
I will defer to your expertise and I love that
and I will learn as well. And that's important too,
because it doesn't mean I'm always right, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, And now a word from our sponsors. I had
a producer really early my sort of like you know,
safe person mentor in North Carolina when we did One
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Tree Hill, and he always used to say, the best
idea always wins. He said, if it's my idea, he'd go.
So if if it's your idea, he goes. If it
comes from one of the electrics, I don't care. Best
idea always wins. And I took that with me forever,
and eventually I finally came to the place that you're
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talking about, which is sometimes I do have the best idea,
and if somebody else has it a plus. But if
I have it, I'm allowed to have it too. And
that little nuance that feels like a nice place to
be where I'm not always saying, oh, well, you know,
you know better than me. No, we're all really smart,
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and let's put our heads together and come up with
something great. I don't have to diminish myself to make
anyone else happy. And actually, if I don't diminish myself,
maybe I can encourage other people.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
To be as big as they are. You know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I've learned a lot from my husband in the writing room,
you know, and you you know, they write, write a
script and then put it to the room and and
they're all around a table and what about this as
a joke or what if he did this?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Or what if she said this?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Or and it becomes it's augmented and the power of
all of it the collective, and nobody is fighting for
their idea just because it's their idea. The best idea
does does make it in yeah the script, you know?
And so you how, I all, yeah, And I think
that's great. I mean writing books too, and having a
really good editor and not and having an editor that
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doesn't just say, well, write this. Instead, they have a
series of questions that they choose to.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Pose to you.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So that the editors that I've had that I've really
enjoyed working with have given me the ability to come
up with the best way to say something because they've
asked certain questions of me and helped guide me into
thinking about it differently instead of saying, here, write.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
This, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
And that's that I think is in most creative endeavors.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
If you're lucky, you know, I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
What do you want the friends listening at home to
know about the show?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Obviously?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Everyone if you've been living under a rock, You're killing
me is on a Horn TV. It's such it's just
such like a delicious thing to watch.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
First of all, it's you really hook into these two
women and they're how they are navigating to get coming
from very different lives and experiences and ages. And I
think that first of all, people have a hard time
finding Acorn.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
It's really easy to do.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You just go on to whatever you stream through, whether
it's like Roku or whatever, and search and then you
can search the show or search up or you can
even go on to Amazon.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think, and you can find it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But it's there and it's like it pops up first.
So that's been interesting to try to help educate people
onto how.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
To get Acorn because not everybody has Acorn.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
But is that you can watch it with all types
of people like you don't. You can watch it with
your kids, you can watch it with a partner. You
can and it's just entertainment and you will laugh, and
you will have your heartstrings pulled every now and then,
and you will you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Know, it's a great escape.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's you know, it's forty five minutes or whatever with
commercials or whatever, and it's just you kind of watch
it and you leave feeling lighter because you forgot everything.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And that's crazy in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
You mean, an enjoyable TV watching experience, remember those.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I know, And you just sort of feel like, oh,
I feel like I just took a yoga class or something.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know, and you've laughed and you've cried. It's better
than cats, and it's.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Just a it's a feel good They say cozy mysteries,
and I don't know, I mean that gets kind of
a little small sy in my opinion, the way that sounds.
But it's definitely, you know, there's room for just entertainment
and it's okay to laugh, and it's okay to you know,
and we're not it's not gory. You don't get a
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sick feeling in your stomach, you know, like so much
of it that I watch and I'm just like, oh God,
And yes, it makes you feel good.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I love that there's so much that you've done, and
I I know you're not I know you're not hanging
anything up anytime soon. So when you think about, you know,
how life feels right now and how fulfilling it is,
what feels like your work in progress still?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I mean probably everything.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I mean, you know, I'm gearing up for the second
season and already I'm already fighting. That's just like already
having conversations like, no, we have to get the writer's
room started two weeks earlier, not two weeks later.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, we have to build the sets, you know,
like all these things.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
But I think I'm I think where I am a
work in progress is giving myself a little bit more
of a pat on the back and knowing that I
really do have to take care of myself and that
means sleeping, and that means physically and because I will run.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So, I mean, look at my arm. I'm in a
huge cat What happened.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
My muscle was starting to attach itself around a nerve
and killing the nerve, and.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I was losing feeling in my hands, and you know,
you don't want to be it. You don't want to
be the crazy lady, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And I finally just said to this doctor, I was like,
can you do all the tests please?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Because it turns.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Out something's up and you know better about your body.
So I think where I am at work in progress
is not really not being afraid to speak up for
myself and for things that don't feel right to me,
and not saying yes to absolutely everything because I just
I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm just tired, I know, I really am.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And you know it's okay. You don't owe anybody anything,
you know, I mean, yes, their kids, but but that
it's comes from a different place, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But I think you know this obligatory.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yes, yes, yess you know, it's just doesn't doesn't feel
good anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's I think that might be my work
in progress. To my friend, well, yes, yes, yes, yes,
well I love it. I mean, for everyone at home
catch up on the whole season of your.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Killing Me sixty chords.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, it's like it's perfect. It's it's it's like a
great weekend of being entertained and then we can all
be ready for season two to come.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Out.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, thank you, just thank you so much. I just
I'm so happy. This is a this is a piece.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Of what you're doing right now, because I think, not
only could I listen to your voice always forever, but
you have so much to say and you're so smart
and lovely and it's and I'm glad people are getting
to experience it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Thanks, honey,
Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome
back to the second portion of our conversation with our
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favorite gal Brookshields. I think there's something so special about
finding your friendships as women, and certainly something that I
think I cherish, especially in our you know, crazy line
of work, and you are one of the people who
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lives in the way that I feel like I want to.
I have looked up to you likewise for so long
because you make sure, despite you know, being the face,
you know, being the icon, like being all of the
things that sometimes women are told they're only allowed to be,
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you add all of your full humanity onto it. And
you've you've shared work about reclaiming ownership of your story.
You know, your your books, as I mentioned, have just
been so beautiful. You've you've lived through moments of celebrity
culture and also helped us process it, and you've made
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us I think think about those things more deeply. And
I'm curious how you feel about fame now. Do you
feel like for you it's healthier? Do you feel like
it's a ruse? Like how what is your relationship? You've
been famous for fifty years?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Like why is that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, so that's a question actually that it's surprising me,
not now because it's been coming up. It's surprising that
it has been coming up of late. And I'm sort
of wondering what is in the zeitgeist and what just
I think because with with internet sensations and TikTok stars
and reality shows and right, and you ask a kid
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what they want to be when they grow up and
they say famous, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You used to be. I want to be a doctor
or I want to be this.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I think people are starting to really look at fame differently,
like what does it really mean? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And is it good? Is it bad? Is it purposeful?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Is it because it doesn't it doesn't rely on the
same criteria that it used to rely on in many ways,
and infamous and famous is also you know what I mean?
Like that that sort of the relationship between those two
things I think is very different in this day and
age and for this next generation is coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
What I have I used to fight it.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I used to try to shy away from it, try
to hide it. Don't want to revel in it, don't
want to don't want to oh it because it just
came with too much and it felt like it was
cannibalizing my life, right, So I fought for to be regular,
and I fought to real friends, and I thought I'd
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get an education and all those things, and you kind
of come to this. I've had to come to this
conclusion that it's not going away, and I now look
at it as a business.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And when I was able.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
To sort of make that switch in my head, I
didn't resent it anymore. And yes, I still want privacy,
and I and I, you know, I'm always amazed at
how people don't listen when they're you know, they come
up and they have to tell their story to you,
and you know, I knew you. I had your genes
or your doll or your this, and you were in
my locker and you're like and you could be literally
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saying like I'm actually bleeding out right now, and if
I don't get to the hospital, I probably will die
right here, and it's going to be ugly and really messy,
and and you could literally have a narrative that is that,
and they go, I know, right, and you and my
sister went on and this, and and you're just like, wow,
people really need to just make it about them, And
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that moment and they're desperate for it. And that used
to make me crazy, you know, and it used to
be and then and then the selfie and the autograph
figure just kind of going like.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
There's nothing to do with me, It's all about you.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Then I just sort of stopped and said, Okay, first
of all, let's have empathy for those people, because if
this is the most exciting thing this happened to, I'm like,
I feel bad, you know, if I'm it, you know,
or if that moment is so important to them, let
let them have it. But also, you know, say thank
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you and and but I have to catch a plane
or whatever it is. And it can be kind and
you can still protect yourself. But as an actor, you know,
I've had to look at it more as a commodity
element and use it and access it and pick up
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that phone call and call an executive. And you know
where I never would have done it. I was, you know,
only to be humble and be smaller and be everybody,
you know, don't you know, walk on to a set
and be a I have to walk on to a set.
And I can be kind and have a wonderful work ethic,
but I'm a boss and I have to act like it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And owning that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Power or that fame or whatever you want to call
it has given it this its purpose to me in
a very different way. And you know, it got me
a pickup bun of show, you know what I mean.
And I know it did because of all the publicity
I did and the people wanted, you know, and I thought, Okay,
don't resent it. It's not taking from your life. If
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you can harness it appropriately and don't ever overuse it,
but use it correctly and fairly, you can have a long,
longer career, you know. And I think that that's been
only in older years. Wow, you know, it's a little
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It took me a while because in a way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I was like, oh, that's two.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But then I started looking at it as an executive
producer and as a as someone.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I was talking to the head of the union and
we were at an afl CIO event which was all
the different unions and the presidents of all the unions
and Actor's Equity was there and I went as the president.
And this one woman is just such a dynamo and
she runs all of I mean, she runs the automotive
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union and the constructor union, and she's just this lovely
mom and this beautiful like she's just a great person.
And she said to me, she called me up one
day and she's like, I have to tell you something,
and I said, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
She said, you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You don't step into your power and you deserve to
and you really really should. And she said, not just
as a union leader, because it's the most uncomfortable thing
for me, but because it's all about taking the attention
and speaking on I can speak on behalf of people
and four people, but I'm used to being of the
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people more. And I think that she said, that's that's
that's known more. You you've to stand in it and
be as big as you can be. And and I
had a therapist who said the same thing, and it
was a It's been a very interesting few years of
being okay walking into a room with my head held
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high and not howlogizing, you know. And I think that that.
I think many women do experience that, yes, And I
want to keep telling them it's not arrogance, it's ownership
and it's a privilege to be able.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
To have that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And that's changed while I've been getting to this sort
of stage in my life and I'm taking more risks
and I'm and then there's a freedom in it too,
And it's amazing what people want that from you, you know,
they want they want that, they look to it and
so you putting yourself down is not it's not helpful
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to them, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And now a word from our sponsors, who make this
show possible. It's an interesting thing because men are asked
to humble themselves as they succeed. And I will never
forget Connie Britton said something to me similarly to what
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you're saying now. We were, you know, talking about something
we had done and she was gonna post something and
was like she was asking me for like a what's
a what's another way to say? And I said, I
don't know, maybe because this is such a you know,
monumentous moment, open with like something like I'm just so
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humbled to be here. And she looked at me and
she goes, no, I'm not humbled. I worked for this,
and I went oh. And it was this sort of
moment where I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, and also
like your broken shields. She's Connie freaking Britain, you know,
like I'm looking at my friends going oh, right, and
I could see it for other people always, and I
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could do exactly what you're saying. I could say, step
into your power. Know you're worth, organize for more. Our
unions deserve a raise, people deserve healthcare. You know, everyone
deserves rights. Da da da da da da. And it
took me until the last couple of years to realize
I can inhale and expand and speak out power more
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power for us. I take it away from myself in
every second, all the time I and I am currently
in a season where I am trying to recalibrate my
relationship with and my comfort with who I am. Like
I can look at every woman in my life and say,
you are first name and last name. Can I say
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that about myself? And it is a really interesting moment
to go, Oh, I'm sort of an expert analyst at
systems that affect us negatively in the world, and I
have not given myself the same grace to look at
the way I have been impacted by a system that
wants to take worth away from women whoa like. It's
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a crazy it's a crazy moment, and it's really cool
to hear you talking about owning your power when you
walk in a room because I've thought of you as
like this gorgeous, powerful person for as long as I've
known you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean, it's I think that's a common thing.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think women are so used to holding other people
up and taking care of and supporting, and you know, you,
you you spend it all and then you don't have
it for yourself, and it's like, yeah, yeah, but and
you were a part of the like somehow not a
part of the club.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And I think you know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I also, humility isn't interesting being humble and being I
always thought that that was the key, and I had
I had a trainer once who said I will never
teach my children to be humble, and I said, wow,
I always thought that that was a good thing. I
thought those who weren't humble were arrogant. And he said,
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I'm not saying you have to be bad or arrogant
or mean or stuck up or anything like that. But
you walk into a room leading with being humble, and
you've just made yourself smaller.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You can be gracious, you could be thankful.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
You can be humbled by seeing something unbelievable, that's beautiful,
or that's something and a child, you know, that is,
that is being brought to the core of that's not
bad healthy humility, maybe healthy humility, and willingness to willingness
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to celebrate yourself, because how do we expect others to
do it if.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We don't, you know, And you think, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Used to think, oh, I'll self deprecate and then they'll
like me, and then they'll they'll stick up for me.
And then you start believing your self deprecation and then
you start actually being self deprecated to yourself, and then
you're like, oh, wait a minute, and then you're mad
because you feel less then. Yeah, and it's very it's
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the opposite of arrogance. And it's taken me quite some time.
And listen, it served me in the beginning, do you
know what I mean? Because people did like me, and
they did want to work with me, and they did
make friends, and it did put people at ease at
first when they first met me because I was famous
and they weren't or whatever. And it's a stick, you know,
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And and it's funny at times. But as I've gotten older,
it just doesn't fit the same way.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's freeing too, you know, but it's kind of daily
you sort of have to. I have to work on
it daily because I'll fall right into the pattern again
so quickly. And I was, this is a crazy story.
I broke my femur and I was a couple of
few years ago and I was on the ground in
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a gym and I just finished this like crazy two
week challenge that I don't know I needed to do
it for whatever reason. And the paramedics are there and
I'm on the ground and I mean, I'm in the
kind of pain that is unfathomable. I mean, like like
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animal sounds are coming out of me.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And I could see.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
The paramedic recognize me in that moment, he recognized me,
and without missing a freaking beat, as in pain as
I was, I started to say something like not blue lagoon,
but like something for childy right to like, because I
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saw it in.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
His eyes, you were you were going to crack the joke.
It always plays well.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Right, And within a second my trainer grabs my shoulder
and he goes hey, and I kind of looked up.
He goes, you don't have to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And it was that moment that then I ended up
being just able to just I think I passed out
because of the pain.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But it was I thought, wow, this is so hardwired
into me.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yes, I'm even doing it with a broken femur and
I'm dying who They didn't know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
If I was in internal bleeding or like.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It was so so dire and serious and my I
did it even that second. And this was like five
years ago maybe, And I remember like waking up in
the hospital and being in excruciating pain and they wouldn't
give me another X ray. And I finally said, look,
if you want me to be a hysterical female, I
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can do it. I said, I'm really good at it.
And I said, but give me another X ray. Thank
god I did, because my bone had popped off the device.
And I thought, self advocacy, yep, and not don't do
it anymore. Stop just it's not it's not attractive either.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's not good for your girls.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, you don't have to poke fun at yourself
to make other people comfortable.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And it's hard, it's hard, and it's you know, again,
there is a stick in it that kind of does
serve you in a way. It doesn't feel like it
fits anymore. And that's been really kind of eye opening
for me in this era of your life.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well when you talk about how it doesn't fit and
it's a new era and there is a new job,
and you've said you are you are the boss, you
are the executive producer.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know you You.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
By the way, fought to defend the title of your show.
And I love that. It's that you're killing me is
it's the phrase, It's the perfect joke. It's it's also
a little bit of spice in the cozy core mystery world,
you know, for those of us who were raised on
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Angela Lansbury like, I love that you have managed to
thread this needle for yourself. And I'm really curious, did
you set kind of intentions for this on day one?
Because you've been on this journey of oh, the old
shtick doesn't fit. Did you go into this job a
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new version of yourself?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Very much so. And I was fearheading the whole thing.
I mean, I reached.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Out to the showrunner and I'd worked with her multiple times,
and I knew she got my humor and I knew
her writing was smart.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I called her and I.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Said, look, I know we've done movies and episodes here
and there of things, I said, but let's let's write
a let's create.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
A show, Let's find a goal.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And she was like, well, mysteries are very popular right now,
and only murders in the building and Matt Walcke and
murder she wrote, and all of those that kind of
it's kind of coming back, and it's this cozy mystery
sort of a thing. And I said, you know, there's
a huge appeal and it is very much a big
chunk of my audience. And I said, let's and we
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just started talking and brainstorming, and I said, you know,
I'm fascinated by generational differences. And I have kids who
make fun of me and they are in their twenties
and it's funny, but it's also we both teach each other.
So we brought that kind of put in the mystery world.
She came up with this, this sort of idea of
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this character, and every step of the way, I knew
I was going to be an executive producer, but I've
never been an executive producer that had that much say
and that, you know, AMC would call me and say,
what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Or how about this?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Direct her and these actors and what about this? And
they actually wanted my opinion, and I fought for things.
I fought for the title. I fought to keep the
humor in. You know, they get very safe with me.
They want me to just be non offensive and pretty
and and not you know, networks, you know, just keep her,
keep her likable, and and I'm like, no, the reason
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why these characters are likable is because they're flawed and
they're funny.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And we're not doing bloody glory. We're doing Agatha Christie.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
We're doing a little bit of you know, a little
wink without taking you out of it, but you're doing
We're doing things that are relationship oriented. And these people
you care about. I mean, yes, there's a body that's
going to drop every week, right sleep be a little town,
a little fishing safe, little fishing town. And but I
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walked into this whole thing. I pitched it with her,
We pitched it to AMC and amc Acorn, and from
every step of the way, I watched them look at
me differently, and look at my history and my experience
and nostalgia and fame and all of those pieces put together.
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And then I worked my ass offtware for the show
and for the edit and for the pr and I said,
you know, you guys have the capacity and the capability
to make this a hit or not.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I will. I will do everything I can, and I
know I.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Can get the publicity and get the outlets and the
I mean to be on these competing shows. I don't
know how the press department did that, but you know, normally,
if you do one, you can't do the other, and
everybody owns you. And it just I kind of really
looked at it, and I walked on to set every
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day and I set an example. And you watched it
in the electrics, You watched it in the gaffers, you
watched it in the dolleypoll, you know, and guys, these
crunchy old guys would come up, you know, came up
to me and said, you know, you really make this
an enjoyable place to be and you make me laugh every.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Day and it's really good.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
We want to like And these guys have been pulling
cable for you know, fifty years, you know what I mean, and.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They've seen it all.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And there was such respect for the way that I
set the tone for the for the set, and people
worked extra hard and it was just it was so
great to sort of be able to be that example
and feel really not feel arrogant about it, but just
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feel like I did earn the right to have these
opinions and also say like, please prove me wrong, and
I will defer to your expertise and I love that
and I will learn as well. And that's important too,
because it doesn't mean I'm always right, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, And now a word from our sponsors. I had
a producer really early my sort of like you know,
safe person mentor in North Carolina when we did One
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Tree Hill, and he always used to say, the best
idea always wins. He said, if it's my idea, he'd go.
So if if it's your idea, he goes. If it
comes from one of the electrics, I don't care. Best
idea always wins. And I took that with me forever,
and eventually I finally came to the place that you're
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talking about, which is sometimes I do have the best idea,
and if somebody else has it a plus. But if
I have it, I'm allowed to have it too. And
that little nuance that feels like a nice place to
be where I'm not always saying, oh, well, you know,
you know better than me. No, we're all really smart,
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and let's put our heads together and come up with
something great. I don't have to diminish myself to make
anyone else happy. And actually, if I don't diminish myself,
maybe I can encourage other people.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
To be as big as they are. You know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I've learned a lot from my husband in the writing room,
you know, and you you know, they write, write a
script and then put it to the room and and
they're all around a table and what about this as
a joke or what if he did this?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Or what if she said this?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Or and it becomes it's augmented and the power of
all of it the collective, and nobody is fighting for
their idea just because it's their idea. The best idea
does does make it in yeah the script, you know?
And so you how, I all, yeah, And I think
that's great. I mean writing books too, and having a
really good editor and not and having an editor that
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doesn't just say, well, write this. Instead, they have a
series of questions that they choose to.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Pose to you.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So that the editors that I've had that I've really
enjoyed working with have given me the ability to come
up with the best way to say something because they've
asked certain questions of me and helped guide me into
thinking about it differently instead of saying, here, write.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
This, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
And that's that I think is in most creative endeavors.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
If you're lucky, you know, I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
What do you want the friends listening at home to
know about the show?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Obviously?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Everyone if you've been living under a rock, You're killing
me is on a Horn TV. It's such it's just
such like a delicious thing to watch.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
First of all, it's you really hook into these two
women and they're how they are navigating to get coming
from very different lives and experiences and ages. And I
think that first of all, people have a hard time
finding Acorn.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
It's really easy to do.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
You just go on to whatever you stream through, whether
it's like Roku or whatever, and search and then you
can search the show or search up or you can
even go on to Amazon.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think, and you can find it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But it's there and it's like it pops up first.
So that's been interesting to try to help educate people
onto how.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
To get Acorn because not everybody has Acorn.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
But is that you can watch it with all types
of people like you don't. You can watch it with
your kids, you can watch it with a partner. You
can and it's just entertainment and you will laugh, and
you will have your heartstrings pulled every now and then,
and you will you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Know, it's a great escape.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's you know, it's forty five minutes or whatever with
commercials or whatever, and it's just you kind of watch
it and you leave feeling lighter because you forgot everything.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And that's crazy in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
You mean, an enjoyable TV watching experience, remember those.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I know, And you just sort of feel like, oh,
I feel like I just took a yoga class or something.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know, and you've laughed and you've cried. It's better
than cats, and it's.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Just a it's a feel good They say cozy mysteries,
and I don't know, I mean that gets kind of
a little small sy in my opinion, the way that sounds.
But it's definitely, you know, there's room for just entertainment
and it's okay to laugh, and it's okay to you know,
and we're not it's not gory. You don't get a
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sick feeling in your stomach, you know, like so much
of it that I watch and I'm just like, oh God,
And yes, it makes you feel good.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I love that there's so much that you've done, and
I I know you're not I know you're not hanging
anything up anytime soon. So when you think about, you know,
how life feels right now and how fulfilling it is,
what feels like your work in progress still?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I mean probably everything.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I mean, you know, I'm gearing up for the second
season and already I'm already fighting. That's just like already
having conversations like, no, we have to get the writer's
room started two weeks earlier, not two weeks later.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, we have to build the sets, you know,
like all these things.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
But I think I'm I think where I am a
work in progress is giving myself a little bit more
of a pat on the back and knowing that I
really do have to take care of myself and that
means sleeping, and that means physically and because I will run.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So, I mean, look at my arm. I'm in a
huge cat What happened.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
My muscle was starting to attach itself around a nerve
and killing the nerve, and.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I was losing feeling in my hands, and you know,
you don't want to be it. You don't want to
be the crazy lady, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And I finally just said to this doctor, I was like,
can you do all the tests please?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Because it turns.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Out something's up and you know better about your body.
So I think where I am at work in progress
is not really not being afraid to speak up for
myself and for things that don't feel right to me,
and not saying yes to absolutely everything because I just
I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm just tired, I know, I really am.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And you know it's okay. You don't owe anybody anything,
you know, I mean, yes, their kids, but but that
it's comes from a different place, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But I think you know this obligatory.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yes, yes, yess you know, it's just doesn't doesn't feel
good anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's I think that might be my work
in progress. To my friend, well, yes, yes, yes, yes,
well I love it. I mean, for everyone at home
catch up on the whole season of your.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Killing Me sixty chords.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, it's like it's perfect. It's it's it's like a
great weekend of being entertained and then we can all
be ready for season two to come.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Out.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, thank you, just thank you so much. I just
I'm so happy. This is a this is a piece.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Of what you're doing right now, because I think, not
only could I listen to your voice always forever, but
you have so much to say and you're so smart
and lovely and it's and I'm glad people are getting
to experience it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Thanks, honey,
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