June 23, 2026 • 29 mins
Beyond the headlines and behind the doors of the White House, part two of this gripping conversation with Dr. Jill Biden explores the deeply personal moments at the heart of Biden's memoir, "View from the East Wing."
Plus, the former First Lady shares an update on her husband's health, her unique acts of international diplomacy, and recounts a memorable encounter with her celebrity crush.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, everyone, it's Sophia.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to Work in Progress. We're back for part two
with doctor B. Let's get back on stage. I know
for you, women's health is a big life calling. You
(00:26):
launched the White House Initiative on Women's Health Research. Why
was that the next right thing for you as the
first Lady?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, you know, I was in the White House. I
was grading papers. It was a Saturday, I think it
was near Easter, and Maria Schreiver came in, First Lady
of California. I'm period and former first Lady, and so
we started talking about women's health. And she said to me, Jill,
do you realize that all the research until the mid
(01:01):
nineteen nineties has been done on men. No women in
those studies, no research men. So all the diagnoses we
would get, all the prescription medicines were based on men,
their you know, physiques, their weights, et cetera. Oh, and
even the mice were male mice. How can you, I mean,
(01:25):
how can you study menopause in a male mouse?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean right, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So anyway, so I went to Joe after Maria and
I spoke. I went up to him and you know,
I said, Joe, there's a big problem. We have to
solve it. And he said, you're right. So, I mean,
this is what I love about Joe. He took a
problem in and he tackled it, and he, you know,
found an answer. So we started the White House Women's
(01:53):
Initiative on Health and in one year we put a
billion dollars into funding and research.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
For women's health. Now, and you know, we.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Got to keep going. Women have to keep fighting for ourselves.
We do. I mean in all areas, which I'm sure
you agree, in all the social areas. We have to
keep fighting the things that have been taken away from us.
We can't give up. I'm a sixties girl. A lot
of you girls are women here who were in the sixties.
Look what we had to fight for, equal rights, equal pay,
(02:29):
women's sports. How about money for women's sports, and so
much that we fought for and we got to an extent.
But now it seems like it's rolling back. So we
have to say to the younger women, come on, take
up the mantle and move forward. I mean, I'm just
you can tell I'm passionate.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm with you, you know, and I think it's so
important that we all know the stats.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean ladies, we need to know. But also like
shout out to all the guys here.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You're here to listen to you ladies, talk like you're
on the right side of history.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And you should know these facts.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You saw us through some of those fights.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I am part of the first American generation of truly
free women, the first nineteen seventy four you couldn't until
nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, in nineteen seventy three, obviously, wrote which they took.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Nineteen seventy four was when you could finally lease an
apartment on your own.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I believe nineteen eighty eight was.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
The first time a woman could get a bank loan
by herself. Nineteen ninety three it was the first time
we were included in a clinical trial. And guess what,
It's also the same year we could finally wear pants
on the floor of.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Congress, nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Like when you think about how it's been a hot second.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah. And by the way, we couldn't even.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Get the era ratified because by the time we got
the forty eight state to sign it, all the bros
in the halls of government were like, m took too long.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We're not gonna let you have it. So the idea that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We've even been totally free is a ruse. But what
we've made like just close enough to equal progress that
they're panicking And now the tradwives are on Instagram and
now they're like.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Women shouldn't vote, and I'm like, excuse you. We had
a revolution about this, Like yeah, what?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that feels like everybody gets a little bit of
info to take home. You're welcome for your initiative. When
I saw you doing this investing work, I was so
excited about it because it's been an area of importance
for me.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I am so lucky to be in.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
A community of incredible women. I'm so lucky to have
intergenerational friendships with incredible women who've shared their stories. And
the disparities in healthcare, not just for women but for
women of color are insane and it only can happen
because there's so little money for us in general. So
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just a few more things for you to take home.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, wait a minute, it was in nineteen seventy four.
That was about when I got my first teaching job.
Up do everything anyway, I got my first teaching job,
and I was telling you this or who anyway, I
forget who I was telling. But anyway, it's been a
long book toory.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay. So the same week that I was hired, I
was hired in an English department. I got seven five
hundred dollars more nurse my first job. A man in
the same English department, same job. You know what, he
got ten thousand? Yes, yes, crazy. And I went to
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buy a car.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They made my father's co sign.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, yeah, they made my father co sign for this.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean, you know here, I had my own teaching job.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was so proud.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And then they're saying, ah, get your father.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The independence didn't matter because the policy hadn't caught up,
and the women's health investing in particular is honestly a
crisis we have to solve. Only one to three percent
of all private healthcare research and development dollars go to
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conditions that affect women.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So we're fifty one percent of the population. There's literally
more of us.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Everyone came from us, and we get one percent of
the money.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
The math is not mathing. Less than two percent.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Of private healthcare investments in capital target women's specific.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Conditions and only five percent of all.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Overall global R and D is dedicated to women's health.
So when you're hopefully signed up on the five calls,
app to bug your elected officials.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Bug them about.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
This also, and encourage them to continue the work of
the Biden's Healthcare Initiative on women.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Because we should, we should, we should? Yeah? Yeah, now, Oh,
I have so many more questions. I'm looking at the timer.
I'm starting to panic. Okay, We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm curious because I know out of that I got
to see you guys talk about it at CGI a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I know the cancer Moonshot initiative is so deeply.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Personal for your family, and I'm curious, in the years
since you announced the research funding and the moonshot, are
there any really exciting developments you want to share with people,
Because health hardship is terrifying, and sometimes when we have
good news, I feel like we should shout it from
the roof.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yes, I mean there are a lot of advancements in cancer.
I you know, cancer has been rampant really in my family.
Both my parents died from it. My sister had a
stem cell transplant with because of lymphoma and lived. She's great.
(08:03):
And then you know, our son Bo died of gliablastoma,
and which was really tough. I mean we did everything
we could, I mean everything, the diet, the I mean,
going to different trials, getting him on different medicines, and
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you know, it was just one of those things that
I just as a mother, I mean I just never
ever ever believe that, you know, God would take him.
And now I mean there's this cruel irony that, with
the cancer Moonshot and all that we've done for cancer
and will continue to do that, my husband, you know,
(08:47):
ended up with stage four prostate cancer, which is bad enough,
but I want to tell the men here in the
audience that prostate cancer they do have a cure for.
I mean, you can be cured from that. Unfortunately, for Joe,
it metastasized to his bones and that just changed the
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whole ball game. And so now Joe will live, I
mean his whole life will He will live with cancer,
which means that he's on really strong medicines that make
him really tired and you know, have such strong side effects.
And so we keep fighting and you know, and there's
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so much that really that we're going to continue to
do and I you know, people cannot forget to go
get their screenings. I mean, I think in COVID everybody
was scared to death to go into a hospital at
doctor's office, and so the screenings went way down. But
I want you all to think about this, if you
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can think about all of you who are should be
getting like a mammogram or a dexa, you know, the
bone skin. You just stick your hand in an X
ray machine. It doesn't hurt or anything. Prostate cancer, breast cancer.
You know you may not know this, but in the
(10:17):
early nineteen nineties, four four of my friends were diagnosed
with breast cancer and I thought, oh my god, what
can I do. I have to do something. And I thought,
I'm not a doctor, but well I am a doctor,
(10:40):
you're a doctor. So I developed a program. I went
into every school in the state of Delaware, and it
was so long ago. In Dover High School, they made
the girls have a permission slip because we were saying
the word breast. Honest to God, that's the truth. And anyway,
we went in with breast models and we showed women
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what it felt like, you know, a lumpy breast or
if you could feel something in your breast, and we
taught them good health practices. And anyway, I did that
I think for twenty years. Wow, and then I you know,
I finally had to stop because I was a second lady.
But that was my beginning of work, you know, trying
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to fight against awareness and prevention, which I think is
really where we should be focusing, is prevention with all
these cancers. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So yeah, so think about it.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Think about getting your screening if you haven't. And I
know it's hard, and I know you're afraid a lot
of you, but you're going to be more afraid if
you get that negative diagnosis like Jogott.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, Well we all wish him very well.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I know, please tell him.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Boston said, happy anniversar, and thank you. I mean, frankly,
we're very lucky. But he lent you to us on
your anniversary. It's like we got a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I hope we.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Can send some real positivity his way. And I think
it's a really amazing thing that you've chosen not only
to do the advocacy work, but so many of these
moments that are so devastating for families. As you've shared,
you as a family have shared with our families, and
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you've made us all feel less alone in grief or illness.
And I'm guessing I can speak for everyone in the
room in this moment when I say thank you, because
to know you're not alone in that that also helps
save people.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Well, everybody's touched by cancer. I bet every person in
this auditorium has been touched by cancer by someone they
love or themselves.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I think there's.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Something about the presence with which and the frankness with
which you speak about it, though, that not everybody does.
And I want to give you your flowers for that.
You really you know, you've chosen to model not just
the good. And you talk in the book about how
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sometimes the job of a first lady is to sit
with people in grief, whether that is a family who's
lost someone to cancer or mothers who've lost their sons
in Ukraine. I mean you've made it universal in a
way when a lot of people want to put it
on the bottom shelf and not talk about it.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Do you see the willingness to sit with grief.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
As a form of activism also, well I never thought
of it that way, but definitely for me.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And I'll just speak for myself as a former first Lady,
I felt that when Americans something tragic had happened, like UVOLDI,
horrible Maui, the fires in Maui, surfside in Florida. I mean,
there were so many times when Joe and I would
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go and sit with families and just talk to them
and empathize and about grief, and I just think that's
part of the role of a first Lady and a
president to take care of people who are experiencing grief
(14:34):
and loss and so.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But well, it's just such a gorgeous act of compassion.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
We miss it. I miss compassion so much. You know,
you you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Have spent fifty years together. You share wonderful pieces of
your really relationship. I love that he had to propose
five times. I'm like, good for you, doctor b. But
you also share about your female friendships. You know, you
talk about your sisterhood. You also talk about the peculiar
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pressure placed on women in the first place. How you
write in the book about this, and I think most women,
while we've never been the first Lady, we get this part.
You say that being the first Lady could feel like
a catch twenty two because you're encouraged to use your
platform to do good, but not be too aggressive in
pursuing policy goals lest you be seen as overreaching. And
(15:37):
if you knew too little about what you were talking about,
or maybe pretended to to not be overreaching, I don't know,
then you're like some kind of embarrassment. So the balancing act,
you know, your story is specific, but the balancing act
I think is very universal for us. How have you
figured out how to do that? And are your female
(15:58):
friendships kind of the key?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Well, I think they probably are the key. And I
think every first lady has done the role a different way.
I mean, if you remember roseland Carter sat in on
cabinet meetings, and I don't remember that she was criticized
for that. It was just like that was part of
their partnership, and so she did. God forbid I should
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sit in it on a cabinet meeting because then it
would look I mean I was criticized. I went to
one in four years that I walked in to talk
about women's health for like ten minutes. And so it's true.
You can't know too much or know too little, or
be aggressive or not aggressive enough. So it is a
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fine line, and you know it's nice to I mean
I always felt like so supported by really the women
in my friendships. I mean they've meant the world to me.
Of course, as you know, I have four sisters. But
the cool thing is like I've been supported like my
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friends Mary Anne and her sister in laws here are
Annie and her parents are here, people that are just
have been, and people in my staff are in this
audience who work for me like yeah, BP. I mean,
you know, and I've always felt that support and it's
a really important part of my life. And I don't
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know whether it came it stems from growing up with
four sisters and being so close to my mother and
my grandmother's I mean it just was. I mean, my
poor dad, honestly, God, he said, even that is a female.
But he felt overwhelmed. But he handled it, okay, he
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could hold his own.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Who when you think about inspirational women, who inspires you
these days?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh my gosh, there are so many inspirational women today.
For instance, I just wrote a note to Billy Jean King.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Great Us.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Does anybody know why she got her college degree? Yes?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And she got her college It was in the paper.
You must have missed it, but I thought, good for you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, remember that tennis match and she was the winner.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, I love nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yes, I love female athletes and what they're doing because
I feel like, you know, having gone through the Title
nine and money for women's sports, that women's sports is
finally coming into its own and.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
So they inspire me and the women I think, you know,
in women's in health research, I mean these young scientists
that are making all these discoveries for endometriosa, osteoporosis. I
mean some of you in here are maybe a little
bit older. And I know, is now this new and
(19:03):
hot topic no pun intended, is menopause. So now we're
centering on that. But I have to tell you, I
mean I'm past that. I'm like this next wave. And
I told my daughter, I'm in my last quarter and
she's like, Mommy, don't say that. But anyway, there are
all these women postmenopause who are like, is this normal?
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I mean the things that we are now experiencing in
our sixties and our seventies and our eighties, like we
don't have answers. We don't have answers.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Because the mice are men.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yes, well, so there has to be a national conversation
about aging so that when something happens to you or
your spouse, you don't say, what the heck is this?
That we have facts and we know where we're going.
We got to start this as American.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, especially when you think about you know this notion
that this is a country built on a dream, right,
the American dream doesn't stop because you retire.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That should be.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Your best life.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If you get to retire, you should be like living
it up.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I want you to be having a time, and you're right,
you shouldn't be looking around going what's happening to me?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And does anyone care? You know? It should shift?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It should.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I have a couple of just like quick little fun questions. Okay,
the last few minutes, if I may, you're not in
the fish bowl anymore. But there are still lots of
people with the badges around them.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Thank God for them. I had to honestly, God, thank god.
Oh they're so wonderful, so great.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I had to run back into my dressing room to
grab something and like four.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Dudes turned up. I was like, it's just me, just
hobgobbling around. I just needed my papers.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Please don't tackle me, honestly, so kind. I just can't
thank them enough, all of them, Thank you, Thank you
secret service.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Pretty incredible team you have. Yeah, what does a typical
day look like?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Can do you open windows? How often do you.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Wear for a walk? Actually we do have bulletproof glass
in the back of our house because now we have
to write because there's like a lot of craziness and
but a typical day. I'm an early riser. I love
the morning, and so I get up early. And we
have two new black lab puppies. Okay, so here's a
(21:38):
quiz question. Their names are Scout and Boo. Where does
it come from to kill a mockingbird?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Good, some of you are readers. I love that. So anyway,
so I make sure the dogs and Willow are all
fed and taken care of, and then I just sit,
like you know, just sit and have quiet and just
appreciate really my life and what I've been given and
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the opportunities. And then I go to exercise every morning.
And I went this morning to bar and if you
know bar three, wow, So I cycle, I do bar pilates.
You know, I'm a big exerciser. And then I have
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like a ton of things to do between women's health
and writing, and you know, Joe's writing his book. He's
always home. I always have to make him breakfast. He's
a terrible cook.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So the day is full.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You know. Usually my kids, my grandkids are in and
out of the house. They're bringing their friends. I mean
half the time, I don't even know who's sleeping in
my house, you know, because I just come with their friends.
And that's the way I want it. That's the way
it's always been, and everybody's welcome, and so anyway, that's
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that's my life.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I think a full house is kind of a.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah true, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
What as our exercise guru on top of all the
other things you do? What what's this phrase that you've coined,
soul cycle diplomacy.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh, this is so much fun. So when I would
go to foreign countries, I would still cycle because they
have soul cycle all over the world. And so it
was we were in England and and so I cycled there
with got to get Rishi. I'm thinking ahead of thank you,
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and so anyway we cycled together. Sorry, I had that
just one of those moments. And then in Paris, I
went to the cycle center, and so I would always
invite people to cycle with me, I mean, leaders of
foreign countries, and sometimes they came and sometimes they didn't.
But it was so fun to go because even in France,
and you know, I don't really know French that well,
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but you just followed the person ahead of you and
you just know it was just it was just funny.
So and it was fun and it was a way
to connect on a different level. And so and you know,
Sophie Trudeau and I, I mean just we just it's
another way to connect with people that isn't like stuppy
(24:27):
and you know that you just go have fun. So
that's what soul cycle diplomacy was.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well, it strikes me as you bringing some of that
normalcy to an extraordinary situation, or perhaps it terrary is.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
The word I should have used.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I have another little pop culture question, because I did
hear that you just went and saw Bono at the
sphere And I do know, because you know, you did
admit it once and now everything we've ever said is
on the internet.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I do Oh, he is your celebrity crush.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's true, And I know, like in the world should
save this on my anniversary though.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Joe's not here. He's not here, I know in the world.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like most people would say, I'm intimidated by a rock star.
But does a president get intimidated by a rock star?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I didn't think so, but I needed to know.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But can I tell you the Bono story?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Please? Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So it was so anyway, Joe and Bono started out
as friends, and so Bona would come to the White
House and when he's talking to you, like all he
does is speak poetry, Like he just recites poetry. I mean,
he's like so his soul is so beautiful, and he
does so many good things in the world. I mean,
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he's a humanitarian. He's really a good decent man. So
Anthony took me to the Sphere for my birthday one year.
We were out there for something, probably campaigning, and so
you two was there and so Bono said, come on
backstage and meet the band and you know, meet my wife, etc.
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This is the beautiful thing. So before they go on stage,
they get in a circle and they pray, and that's
what we did. We got in a circle, we held
hands and we prayed before they went out on stage.
Then they go out and they play this crazy rock
music and everything, and then the last song of the
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night he dedicated to me, come on, I love it.
I love it now you see why? Yeah? I mean
we won't tell Joe.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know, you tell them tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
After everything you have experienced as a teacher, a mother,
a wife, a first lady, a memoirrist.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What I love that word memoir?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I know, isn't it? It feels it has a nice
mouth feel.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
What's your favorite word?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
My favorite word? I mean not to be cheesy, probably
love love.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oh what a great answer. Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You know what other word though?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Has one of my favorite mouth feels? What My favorite
word in Spanish?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Esa eskierta. What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Is it? It's a right or left? It is left right? Okay?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Great?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Left right now? No, By the way, I just started
nice Spanish lessons on due lingo. I did take fresh
and I'm not good at that either.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But like the word just saying it, I'm like that,
like I don't need it sounds sexy to me and.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
It feels nice and it means left. But you know,
I think progressives are sexy. So maybe we're onto something here.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
What's your least favorite word? Well, we all those, Wow,
we know.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think I think it's I think we share it.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
You've done so much, you know, you've like.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You've just lived this big, beautiful life, and you've set
an example for so many of us, and and you
know you've checked so many things off the list, the
bucket list, you've sol cycled with you know, foreign leaders
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
But I'm curious with all the things you've done and
everything you have to be so proud of. What in
your life still feels like a work in progress?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh? Everything, I mean everything is still a work in progress.
I mean I'm not giving up, and I don't know,
I still have a lot to do. I just, you know,
like I said my teaching, I want to I do
want to do stuff with women's self. I do want
to do prevention of cancer. I do you know going
into the prisons. I just I have a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Plus garden, plus garden me too. I don't know you
were a gardener.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Oh yeah, okay, we'll talk after we have a lot
of talk.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Flowers.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I need your tips because I've been a West
Coast gardener my whole life, and how I'm an East Coast.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Gardener, like, what is winter? Yeah, my plants?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I know, Okay, we can talk.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
This will be, this will be for later, but for
now we're out of time and those are all my oh.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
My gosh, we are I know. It's been so much fun.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Thank you for coming, Thank you for coming me. Thank
you help me up, thank you, Thank you guys, thank
you for being here.
Hi, everyone, it's Sophia.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to Work in Progress. We're back for part two
with doctor B. Let's get back on stage. I know
for you, women's health is a big life calling. You
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launched the White House Initiative on Women's Health Research. Why
was that the next right thing for you as the
first Lady?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, you know, I was in the White House. I
was grading papers. It was a Saturday, I think it
was near Easter, and Maria Schreiver came in, First Lady
of California. I'm period and former first Lady, and so
we started talking about women's health. And she said to me, Jill,
do you realize that all the research until the mid
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nineteen nineties has been done on men. No women in
those studies, no research men. So all the diagnoses we
would get, all the prescription medicines were based on men,
their you know, physiques, their weights, et cetera. Oh, and
even the mice were male mice. How can you, I mean,
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how can you study menopause in a male mouse?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean right, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So anyway, so I went to Joe after Maria and
I spoke. I went up to him and you know,
I said, Joe, there's a big problem. We have to
solve it. And he said, you're right. So, I mean,
this is what I love about Joe. He took a
problem in and he tackled it, and he, you know,
found an answer. So we started the White House Women's
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Initiative on Health and in one year we put a
billion dollars into funding and research.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
For women's health. Now, and you know, we.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Got to keep going. Women have to keep fighting for ourselves.
We do. I mean in all areas, which I'm sure
you agree, in all the social areas. We have to
keep fighting the things that have been taken away from us.
We can't give up. I'm a sixties girl. A lot
of you girls are women here who were in the sixties.
Look what we had to fight for, equal rights, equal pay,
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women's sports. How about money for women's sports, and so
much that we fought for and we got to an extent.
But now it seems like it's rolling back. So we
have to say to the younger women, come on, take
up the mantle and move forward. I mean, I'm just
you can tell I'm passionate.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm with you, you know, and I think it's so
important that we all know the stats.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean ladies, we need to know. But also like
shout out to all the guys here.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You're here to listen to you ladies, talk like you're
on the right side of history.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And you should know these facts.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You saw us through some of those fights.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I am part of the first American generation of truly
free women, the first nineteen seventy four you couldn't until
nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, in nineteen seventy three, obviously, wrote which they took.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Nineteen seventy four was when you could finally lease an
apartment on your own.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I believe nineteen eighty eight was.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
The first time a woman could get a bank loan
by herself. Nineteen ninety three it was the first time
we were included in a clinical trial. And guess what,
It's also the same year we could finally wear pants
on the floor of.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Congress, nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Like when you think about how it's been a hot second.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah. And by the way, we couldn't even.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Get the era ratified because by the time we got
the forty eight state to sign it, all the bros
in the halls of government were like, m took too long.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
We're not gonna let you have it. So the idea that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We've even been totally free is a ruse. But what
we've made like just close enough to equal progress that
they're panicking And now the tradwives are on Instagram and
now they're like.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Women shouldn't vote, and I'm like, excuse you. We had
a revolution about this, Like yeah, what?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that feels like everybody gets a little bit of
info to take home. You're welcome for your initiative. When
I saw you doing this investing work, I was so
excited about it because it's been an area of importance
for me.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I am so lucky to be in.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
A community of incredible women. I'm so lucky to have
intergenerational friendships with incredible women who've shared their stories. And
the disparities in healthcare, not just for women but for
women of color are insane and it only can happen
because there's so little money for us in general. So
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just a few more things for you to take home.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, wait a minute, it was in nineteen seventy four.
That was about when I got my first teaching job.
Up do everything anyway, I got my first teaching job,
and I was telling you this or who anyway, I
forget who I was telling. But anyway, it's been a
long book toory.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay. So the same week that I was hired, I
was hired in an English department. I got seven five
hundred dollars more nurse my first job. A man in
the same English department, same job. You know what, he
got ten thousand? Yes, yes, crazy. And I went to
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buy a car.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They made my father's co sign.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, yeah, they made my father co sign for this.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean, you know here, I had my own teaching job.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was so proud.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And then they're saying, ah, get your father.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The independence didn't matter because the policy hadn't caught up,
and the women's health investing in particular is honestly a
crisis we have to solve. Only one to three percent
of all private healthcare research and development dollars go to
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conditions that affect women.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So we're fifty one percent of the population. There's literally
more of us.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Everyone came from us, and we get one percent of
the money.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
The math is not mathing. Less than two percent.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Of private healthcare investments in capital target women's specific.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Conditions and only five percent of all.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Overall global R and D is dedicated to women's health.
So when you're hopefully signed up on the five calls,
app to bug your elected officials.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Bug them about.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
This also, and encourage them to continue the work of
the Biden's Healthcare Initiative on women.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Because we should, we should, we should? Yeah? Yeah, now, Oh,
I have so many more questions. I'm looking at the timer.
I'm starting to panic. Okay, We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm curious because I know out of that I got
to see you guys talk about it at CGI a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I know the cancer Moonshot initiative is so deeply.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Personal for your family, and I'm curious, in the years
since you announced the research funding and the moonshot, are
there any really exciting developments you want to share with people,
Because health hardship is terrifying, and sometimes when we have
good news, I feel like we should shout it from
the roof.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yes, I mean there are a lot of advancements in cancer.
I you know, cancer has been rampant really in my family.
Both my parents died from it. My sister had a
stem cell transplant with because of lymphoma and lived. She's great.
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And then you know, our son Bo died of gliablastoma,
and which was really tough. I mean we did everything
we could, I mean everything, the diet, the I mean,
going to different trials, getting him on different medicines, and
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you know, it was just one of those things that
I just as a mother, I mean I just never
ever ever believe that, you know, God would take him.
And now I mean there's this cruel irony that, with
the cancer Moonshot and all that we've done for cancer
and will continue to do that, my husband, you know,
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ended up with stage four prostate cancer, which is bad enough,
but I want to tell the men here in the
audience that prostate cancer they do have a cure for.
I mean, you can be cured from that. Unfortunately, for Joe,
it metastasized to his bones and that just changed the
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whole ball game. And so now Joe will live, I
mean his whole life will He will live with cancer,
which means that he's on really strong medicines that make
him really tired and you know, have such strong side effects.
And so we keep fighting and you know, and there's
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so much that really that we're going to continue to
do and I you know, people cannot forget to go
get their screenings. I mean, I think in COVID everybody
was scared to death to go into a hospital at
doctor's office, and so the screenings went way down. But
I want you all to think about this, if you
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can think about all of you who are should be
getting like a mammogram or a dexa, you know, the
bone skin. You just stick your hand in an X
ray machine. It doesn't hurt or anything. Prostate cancer, breast cancer.
You know you may not know this, but in the
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early nineteen nineties, four four of my friends were diagnosed
with breast cancer and I thought, oh my god, what
can I do. I have to do something. And I thought,
I'm not a doctor, but well I am a doctor,
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you're a doctor. So I developed a program. I went
into every school in the state of Delaware, and it
was so long ago. In Dover High School, they made
the girls have a permission slip because we were saying
the word breast. Honest to God, that's the truth. And anyway,
we went in with breast models and we showed women
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what it felt like, you know, a lumpy breast or
if you could feel something in your breast, and we
taught them good health practices. And anyway, I did that
I think for twenty years. Wow, and then I you know,
I finally had to stop because I was a second lady.
But that was my beginning of work, you know, trying
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to fight against awareness and prevention, which I think is
really where we should be focusing, is prevention with all
these cancers. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So yeah, so think about it.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Think about getting your screening if you haven't. And I
know it's hard, and I know you're afraid a lot
of you, but you're going to be more afraid if
you get that negative diagnosis like Jogott.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, Well we all wish him very well.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I know, please tell him.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Boston said, happy anniversar, and thank you. I mean, frankly,
we're very lucky. But he lent you to us on
your anniversary. It's like we got a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I hope we.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Can send some real positivity his way. And I think
it's a really amazing thing that you've chosen not only
to do the advocacy work, but so many of these
moments that are so devastating for families. As you've shared,
you as a family have shared with our families, and
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you've made us all feel less alone in grief or illness.
And I'm guessing I can speak for everyone in the
room in this moment when I say thank you, because
to know you're not alone in that that also helps
save people.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Well, everybody's touched by cancer. I bet every person in
this auditorium has been touched by cancer by someone they
love or themselves.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I think there's.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Something about the presence with which and the frankness with
which you speak about it, though, that not everybody does.
And I want to give you your flowers for that.
You really you know, you've chosen to model not just
the good. And you talk in the book about how
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sometimes the job of a first lady is to sit
with people in grief, whether that is a family who's
lost someone to cancer or mothers who've lost their sons
in Ukraine. I mean you've made it universal in a
way when a lot of people want to put it
on the bottom shelf and not talk about it.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Do you see the willingness to sit with grief.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
As a form of activism also, well I never thought
of it that way, but definitely for me.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And I'll just speak for myself as a former first Lady,
I felt that when Americans something tragic had happened, like UVOLDI,
horrible Maui, the fires in Maui, surfside in Florida. I mean,
there were so many times when Joe and I would
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go and sit with families and just talk to them
and empathize and about grief, and I just think that's
part of the role of a first Lady and a
president to take care of people who are experiencing grief
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and loss and so.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But well, it's just such a gorgeous act of compassion.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
We miss it. I miss compassion so much. You know,
you you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Have spent fifty years together. You share wonderful pieces of
your really relationship. I love that he had to propose
five times. I'm like, good for you, doctor b. But
you also share about your female friendships. You know, you
talk about your sisterhood. You also talk about the peculiar
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pressure placed on women in the first place. How you
write in the book about this, and I think most women,
while we've never been the first Lady, we get this part.
You say that being the first Lady could feel like
a catch twenty two because you're encouraged to use your
platform to do good, but not be too aggressive in
pursuing policy goals lest you be seen as overreaching. And
(15:37):
if you knew too little about what you were talking about,
or maybe pretended to to not be overreaching, I don't know,
then you're like some kind of embarrassment. So the balancing act,
you know, your story is specific, but the balancing act
I think is very universal for us. How have you
figured out how to do that? And are your female
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friendships kind of the key?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Well, I think they probably are the key. And I
think every first lady has done the role a different way.
I mean, if you remember roseland Carter sat in on
cabinet meetings, and I don't remember that she was criticized
for that. It was just like that was part of
their partnership, and so she did. God forbid I should
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sit in it on a cabinet meeting because then it
would look I mean I was criticized. I went to
one in four years that I walked in to talk
about women's health for like ten minutes. And so it's true.
You can't know too much or know too little, or
be aggressive or not aggressive enough. So it is a
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fine line, and you know it's nice to I mean
I always felt like so supported by really the women
in my friendships. I mean they've meant the world to me.
Of course, as you know, I have four sisters. But
the cool thing is like I've been supported like my
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friends Mary Anne and her sister in laws here are
Annie and her parents are here, people that are just
have been, and people in my staff are in this
audience who work for me like yeah, BP. I mean,
you know, and I've always felt that support and it's
a really important part of my life. And I don't
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know whether it came it stems from growing up with
four sisters and being so close to my mother and
my grandmother's I mean it just was. I mean, my
poor dad, honestly, God, he said, even that is a female.
But he felt overwhelmed. But he handled it, okay, he
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could hold his own.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Who when you think about inspirational women, who inspires you
these days?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh my gosh, there are so many inspirational women today.
For instance, I just wrote a note to Billy Jean King.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Great Us.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Does anybody know why she got her college degree? Yes?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And she got her college It was in the paper.
You must have missed it, but I thought, good for you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, remember that tennis match and she was the winner.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean, I love nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yes, I love female athletes and what they're doing because
I feel like, you know, having gone through the Title
nine and money for women's sports, that women's sports is
finally coming into its own and.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
So they inspire me and the women I think, you know,
in women's in health research, I mean these young scientists
that are making all these discoveries for endometriosa, osteoporosis. I
mean some of you in here are maybe a little
bit older. And I know, is now this new and
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hot topic no pun intended, is menopause. So now we're
centering on that. But I have to tell you, I
mean I'm past that. I'm like this next wave. And
I told my daughter, I'm in my last quarter and
she's like, Mommy, don't say that. But anyway, there are
all these women postmenopause who are like, is this normal?
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I mean the things that we are now experiencing in
our sixties and our seventies and our eighties, like we
don't have answers. We don't have answers.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Because the mice are men.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yes, well, so there has to be a national conversation
about aging so that when something happens to you or
your spouse, you don't say, what the heck is this?
That we have facts and we know where we're going.
We got to start this as American.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, especially when you think about you know this notion
that this is a country built on a dream, right,
the American dream doesn't stop because you retire.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That should be.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Your best life.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
If you get to retire, you should be like living
it up.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I want you to be having a time, and you're right,
you shouldn't be looking around going what's happening to me?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And does anyone care? You know? It should shift?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It should.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I have a couple of just like quick little fun questions. Okay,
the last few minutes, if I may, you're not in
the fish bowl anymore. But there are still lots of
people with the badges around them.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Thank God for them. I had to honestly, God, thank god.
Oh they're so wonderful, so great.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I had to run back into my dressing room to
grab something and like four.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Dudes turned up. I was like, it's just me, just
hobgobbling around. I just needed my papers.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Please don't tackle me, honestly, so kind. I just can't
thank them enough, all of them, Thank you, Thank you
secret service.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Pretty incredible team you have. Yeah, what does a typical
day look like?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Can do you open windows? How often do you.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Wear for a walk? Actually we do have bulletproof glass
in the back of our house because now we have
to write because there's like a lot of craziness and
but a typical day. I'm an early riser. I love
the morning, and so I get up early. And we
have two new black lab puppies. Okay, so here's a
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quiz question. Their names are Scout and Boo. Where does
it come from to kill a mockingbird?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Good, some of you are readers. I love that. So anyway,
so I make sure the dogs and Willow are all
fed and taken care of, and then I just sit,
like you know, just sit and have quiet and just
appreciate really my life and what I've been given and
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the opportunities. And then I go to exercise every morning.
And I went this morning to bar and if you
know bar three, wow, So I cycle, I do bar pilates.
You know, I'm a big exerciser. And then I have
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like a ton of things to do between women's health
and writing, and you know, Joe's writing his book. He's
always home. I always have to make him breakfast. He's
a terrible cook.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So the day is full.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You know. Usually my kids, my grandkids are in and
out of the house. They're bringing their friends. I mean
half the time, I don't even know who's sleeping in
my house, you know, because I just come with their friends.
And that's the way I want it. That's the way
it's always been, and everybody's welcome, and so anyway, that's
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that's my life.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I think a full house is kind of a.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah true, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
What as our exercise guru on top of all the
other things you do? What what's this phrase that you've coined,
soul cycle diplomacy.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh, this is so much fun. So when I would
go to foreign countries, I would still cycle because they
have soul cycle all over the world. And so it
was we were in England and and so I cycled there
with got to get Rishi. I'm thinking ahead of thank you,
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and so anyway we cycled together. Sorry, I had that
just one of those moments. And then in Paris, I
went to the cycle center, and so I would always
invite people to cycle with me, I mean, leaders of
foreign countries, and sometimes they came and sometimes they didn't.
But it was so fun to go because even in France,
and you know, I don't really know French that well,
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but you just followed the person ahead of you and
you just know it was just it was just funny.
So and it was fun and it was a way
to connect on a different level. And so and you know,
Sophie Trudeau and I, I mean just we just it's
another way to connect with people that isn't like stuppy
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and you know that you just go have fun. So
that's what soul cycle diplomacy was.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well, it strikes me as you bringing some of that
normalcy to an extraordinary situation, or perhaps it terrary is.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
The word I should have used.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I have another little pop culture question, because I did
hear that you just went and saw Bono at the
sphere And I do know, because you know, you did
admit it once and now everything we've ever said is
on the internet.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I do Oh, he is your celebrity crush.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That's true, And I know, like in the world should
save this on my anniversary though.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Joe's not here. He's not here, I know in the world.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like most people would say, I'm intimidated by a rock star.
But does a president get intimidated by a rock star?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I didn't think so, but I needed to know.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But can I tell you the Bono story?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Please? Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So it was so anyway, Joe and Bono started out
as friends, and so Bona would come to the White
House and when he's talking to you, like all he
does is speak poetry, Like he just recites poetry. I mean,
he's like so his soul is so beautiful, and he
does so many good things in the world. I mean,
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he's a humanitarian. He's really a good decent man. So
Anthony took me to the Sphere for my birthday one year.
We were out there for something, probably campaigning, and so
you two was there and so Bono said, come on
backstage and meet the band and you know, meet my wife, etc.
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This is the beautiful thing. So before they go on stage,
they get in a circle and they pray, and that's
what we did. We got in a circle, we held
hands and we prayed before they went out on stage.
Then they go out and they play this crazy rock
music and everything, and then the last song of the
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night he dedicated to me, come on, I love it.
I love it now you see why? Yeah? I mean
we won't tell Joe.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know, you tell them tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
After everything you have experienced as a teacher, a mother,
a wife, a first lady, a memoirrist.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What I love that word memoir?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I know, isn't it? It feels it has a nice
mouth feel.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
What's your favorite word?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
My favorite word? I mean not to be cheesy, probably
love love.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oh what a great answer. Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You know what other word though?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Has one of my favorite mouth feels? What My favorite
word in Spanish?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Esa eskierta. What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Is it? It's a right or left? It is left right? Okay?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Great?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Left right now? No, By the way, I just started
nice Spanish lessons on due lingo. I did take fresh
and I'm not good at that either.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But like the word just saying it, I'm like that,
like I don't need it sounds sexy to me and.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
It feels nice and it means left. But you know,
I think progressives are sexy. So maybe we're onto something here.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
What's your least favorite word? Well, we all those, Wow,
we know.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think I think it's I think we share it.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
You've done so much, you know, you've like.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You've just lived this big, beautiful life, and you've set
an example for so many of us, and and you
know you've checked so many things off the list, the
bucket list, you've sol cycled with you know, foreign leaders
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
But I'm curious with all the things you've done and
everything you have to be so proud of. What in
your life still feels like a work in progress?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh? Everything, I mean everything is still a work in progress.
I mean I'm not giving up, and I don't know,
I still have a lot to do. I just, you know,
like I said my teaching, I want to I do
want to do stuff with women's self. I do want
to do prevention of cancer. I do you know going
into the prisons. I just I have a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Plus garden, plus garden me too. I don't know you
were a gardener.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Oh yeah, okay, we'll talk after we have a lot
of talk.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Flowers.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I need your tips because I've been a West
Coast gardener my whole life, and how I'm an East Coast.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Gardener, like, what is winter? Yeah, my plants?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I know, Okay, we can talk.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
This will be, this will be for later, but for
now we're out of time and those are all my oh.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
My gosh, we are I know. It's been so much fun.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Thank you for coming, Thank you for coming me. Thank
you help me up, thank you, Thank you guys, thank
you for being here.
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Sophia Bush
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