December 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Road trip! Vegas anyone? Jason and Rosie are back to recap episode six of Pluribus and they are joined by producer Ian to discuss the major revelations from the episode, that incredible cameo, more theories for where the show could possibly be headed and finally, they all share how they would spend their time if there were one of the immune.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Worrying.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode contained spoilers for the sixth episode of Pluribus
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Speaker 4 (00:35):
In today's episode, we are talking about Pluribus one oh
six HDP. There are gonna be some serious reveal guys,
so if you haven't watched, to make sure you watch
it before we jump right in.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
And a quick delectable reminder.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We'll have a couple of shore Us stocking stuffer episodes
for you this holiday season to help cover some more
fun topics we can't hit during our normal episodes.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Keep an eye an air out for them later this month.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But first up, Pluribus episode six HDP. It's a de
Bay Carol drives to Vegas to see Diabate and Diabate
let me tell you he's making the post invasion Hive
mind world seem pretty good.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I would be living like him.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
He's living like a James Bond meets Elvis in a
Heineken commercial kind of lifestyle. Doing make them up, doing
little improvs where like he's James Bond and he's got
to beat some you know, arms dealer at no limit
hold them and they're betting four million dollars a hand,
(01:45):
and it's it's fun for him. He's having a great time.
When Carol approaches, though, the party kind of ends because
all the hive mind folks are like, hey, we gotta go.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
She's annoying us out, Like, let's just yeah, she's a.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Little scary, it's a little annoying.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
She blew up one of us with a grenade and
then gave one of us a heart attack, and then
we all started crying worldwide, and it's just too much.
So I know, we were about it seemed like we're
about to get it into like an orgy here.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
With you and the jacuzzi Diabate, including the cleaning staff.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But we're gonna have to shut that down for now
now and because Carol's coming. Carol gets there, but before
she can tell Diabate her shocking discovery that you know,
if from the walk in freezer, which is just like
heads and arms and legs and basically the high mind's
(02:40):
eating people. He's like, oh, you mean the high minding
people think, yeah, watch this video by John.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Cena incredible, incredible drop.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Sina On behalf of the hive mind, tells Carol what's
going on. Basically, there are you know, seven billion hive
mind and since due to biological rules, they can't kill
a living thing, even plants, which means the hive mind
is steadily starving food left over in storage, fruits, vegetables
that fall on the ground, and I guess you know,
(03:10):
all meat and stuff that are ready to milk or
dye are naturally the.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Main food sources they can interact with.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
That supply is earmarked though for Carol and other survivors,
and they will always receive the best of that. But
there's a lot of caloric deficit to make up. Thus
the people protein HDP HDP, which honestly it's giving soil
and green. We did get it, soil and green. We
(03:38):
did get this right, guys. But I trust me to
have something up his sleeve.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It's peep.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Carol, she is left reeling and she's basically then learns
that all the survivors apart from Paraguay Guy, have been
basically in a group chat because Carol is the annoying
person you don't want in the group chat, and they
don't want her in there. She's aggressive, she's toxic, and
(04:06):
Diabarte's basically like bro. The hive mind has about ten
years before they starve to death. So me and the
other survivors have been trying to figure out solutions, robots
to pick food like, they've actually been coming up with plans.
Carol is her and being left out, but apparently it
went to vote and buy democratic decree.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Absolutely no one likes her and I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Buy it is a brutal, brutal beat for Carol.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So Carol goes to sleep like in the bathroom, like
on a big, big couch. This, you know, Diabate suite
is like every room is the size of a house.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, And the bathroom couch always reminds me of like
if you go into like a fancy Nordstrom or something,
they always have like a women's bathroom and you're like,
why is there a couch here?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I don't know, but I'm into it. It was giving Diabarte, you.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Know, in true Vince Gilgen style, Tay is a hedonist,
but he's like very kind. There's something else. There's a
softness to him. There's a generosity weird weirdly to him
as well as this kind of like you know, over
the top lifestyle. And he puts a blanket on her
and the next day he makes breakfast and Carol tries
(05:19):
to stick around by being by kind of like you know,
as a test balloon and be like, maybe I'll hang
around Vegas, like get my own sweet somewhere, and she
can tell by his body language that he's like, I
don't need that, so so she's like, Aha, just kidding,
I'm gonna go back to Albert. I can't wait to
get back to albertquer.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Go'll be great. I love it that, I love it.
Things are guy great and they're fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Carol, meanwhile, is still obviously hostile to the heart hive mind,
doesn't really care about the starvation issue, basically saying like
that's their fault for doing this, uh, and is still
totally dedicated to figuring out like a solution to this infection.
(06:02):
And she points out to Debat what happens anyway when
they figured out how to infect us and now Diabate
drops a fucking bomb that apparently the Hive mind only
figured out yesterday that they need stem cells from a
survivor in order to infect them to tailor the virus
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directly towards their DNA and.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Their stem cells.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But to harvest the stem cells they would need consent
and if they and if a person won't give consent,
then they can't do it and how And Carol's like what,
So she calls the timeline number to get to to
basically confirm this, and the Hive Mind confirm it and
that's it. And then as Carol is leaving, Diabaate is like,
(06:49):
let the Hive Mind come back. Can you just chill
out so they can you know, they'll come back, and
Soshi wants to see you, and you know, they want
to see you basically, and Carol's like, fuck them, fuck.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Them, I know.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm like, make up your mind, babe. Three days earlier,
Paraguay Guy finally finds the frequency on which the Hive
Mind appeared to be wi fiing. He also opens Carol's
a little special video package and learns that the Hive
Mind cannot lie and are not really a threat as
(07:19):
they're totally nonviolent and will agree to whatever you say.
He finally leaves his bunker goes to collect some stuff
and eat. He gets his car ready, gathers some stuff,
lots of spy maps.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, he's breaks.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
He is definitely a spy of some kind or some
kind of like special preppers, preppers something. Definitely he's ready,
and he's obviously going to visit Carol.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
His mum meets him on the street, but he.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Is hostile to her, saying it's not really his mum,
it's obviously a hive mind. And this is I thought,
such a great Vince moment where he's like, actually, my
mom was fucking mean and horror most and would never
have been fucking nice to me, So don't come to
me with this bullshit fate. That is the first sign
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of the more sinister side. I think of what they're
doing is this kind of reprogramming that means, even if
you are not involved, they are going to try and
restructure your life in a way that's like happier. I
think that that moment for me was the first moment
where I was like, oh, that's really bleak. Like your
(08:31):
abusive mom comes up to you in the street and she's.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Like, hey, don't leave, I love you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's like, no, go away, don't do that, like, you're
not winning me over to the hive mind.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Then let's bring super producer he and then to discuss.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
This episode, and we're back.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Let's tap in Ian super producer ian Ian, Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
What did you think of this episode?
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Fantastic episode. I think this might have been my favorite
of the season so far. Between a lot of big
information reveals that we're given this episode, the John Cena
cameo I thought.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Was excellent, so good.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
He's having a huge year, He's having a massive Isn't.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
That exactly who you would expect aliens to get to? Yes,
I was, yeah, you like, oh, John Cena says, this
is okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Right, like the guy with the most makeup wash grants ever, Like, yeah,
I'll trust him, yeah, you know. And then also just
some of the cinematography to the shots of the Vegas
streets empty, you know. I know that's like a common
trope in a lot of these kind of survival shows
and movies, but it's always super impressive to me when
you see these huge urban cores completely empty and abandoned
(09:56):
like that. And like you mentioned last week, you know,
like the liminal spaces and things, and just seeing these
really densely crowded places completely abandoned. I think those are
those kinds of shots are always super interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I think Vince did a just quickly, just did an
incredible job with those shots, because oftentimes I feel like
nowadays you think about blade around of twenty forty nine
or something compared to your twenty eight days later, they
always feel very cig But I was absolutely like they
must have gone out there and shot at like three
in the morning and closed off certain parts of the
road or something, because it just looked incredible. I love
(10:30):
the little extra mile that he is going to make
this feel real.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Is really selling this and settling the show for me.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Let's talk about Carol's air quotes, discovery, her reveal to Diabate,
and then basically her discovery of how actually complete her
isolation is, because I found that to be such a
fun way to twist these revelations around and adding another
(11:02):
dimension to them and kind of like underlining the basic theme,
which is Carol weirdly is kind of like her own
enemy and yes, yes, mission to try and save the world.
I thought that was so well done. To your point
that John Cena thing was perfect. And the thing that
(11:23):
I love about this episode is how I'm sitting there going, well,
I guess you know the high Mine have a point, right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
What did you do?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I mean, that's what I want to get into.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, let's get into that.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Vince Gilligan has basically like taken a trope that we
all thought is.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
A dangerous trope to play with, which is the unlikable woman.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Right right, But then he turned it into a searing
kind of take on like main character syndrome and how
like being obsessed with your own version of what the
world needs to be and not being in community with
even the twelve people you can still be in community
with the fact that she is essentially the last person
(12:10):
on earth who's been kept out of the group chat
is like such a horrifically yeh crifically millennial thing. Ian
talk a little bit more about the way that Vince
is building that stuff in because that isolation level is
so painful.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think this when Carol learns the
truth about the HGP and how you know she's the
last one essentially to find out that it's basically her
own fault for choosing to isolate herself and be so antagonistic. Yes,
not only towards the hive mind, but towards the other
survivors as well. You know, if she had just taken
the time to ask a few more questions or be
(12:46):
a little bit more curious, she probably would have learned
this information earlier, just like Diabat did you know again?
He was like, well, I asked them, like, why are
you guys drinking milk all the time?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And so they explained it to him because they can't
lie exactly. His note that well, you know, some of
our non English speakers, they were offended. And I think
that there's there's so many interesting levels to this. There's
the one level from the other survivor's perspective of like
I can imagine being Diabaate or being someone else who's like, Okay,
(13:19):
obviously this is concerning and there's a lot of downsides
to this, But I'm also gonna, you know, I'm gonna
enjoy this because why not. And two, it's got to
be pretty off putting for some like white American survivor
to be like, hey, everybody, listen to me.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
That's what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
First of all, you're gonna have to listen to me
in English, and second of all, we're doing this, we're
saving the world. And the other level that I keep
thinking about, especially in this episode of thinking a lot
about it, is like, how much of this do you
think is recall the reaction to the really misogynistic reaction
to Skyler and Breaking Bad, where it's like, oh, it's
(14:02):
Skyle was so boring and she's such a nag, And
it's like when she was just reacting basically how a
normal person would react if they discovered their husband was
like a fucking major drug dealer.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
She kept her family going as well, like there's something
to that. Yeah, how much of this is him saying
he's gonna make a skylaw?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Vince saying, oh you want you want a woman
who you don't like, who you like?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
You want?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Is here we go?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You're gonna get in now?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Oh you really?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I love that take, Jason, because I do think the
Skyla conversation was such a and it's still honestly, there's
probably still someone to write a book about that that
we haven't even read yet about all of it. So
I love that Vince as a re as like a
reaction to Breaking Bad, making Carol like this.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I also think that he is doing a masterclass.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And this is the sort of thing where I think
his way of subverting these stories maybe even takes a
little while for people to clock onto, including like myself, right,
because I think you make a character like this, you
make a character like Carol, it's meant to be about redemption,
or it's meant to be about unlikability, but like it's
meant to be about her trauma. And but what he's
(15:16):
doing is he's giving us all of that, and he
has managed to make Carol an empathetic person to a point,
But now he's saying, what is it like to be
around that person? Like you can be as empathetic as
you want. But like also Diabarte, like who is still
trying to deal with everything Carol's dealing with and he's
chosen to deal with it in a hedonistic way, right
(15:38):
to make the most of it. Like she is acting
like no one else has been through what she's been through,
just because the others are dealing with it differently. And
I think that must be such a frustrating thing. And
we know nothing because we've been in Carol's perspectives. We
know nothing about where these people came from, what their
life experience was, Like, I think this is a very
(15:58):
interesting kind of also a bit of a treatise on
like depression and how when you're incredibly depressed, it doesn't
matter what you do, you still are deep, deep, deep
in that like loneliness and depression. And I do feel
that with Carol sometimes, like I'm like, You're in Vegas
(16:18):
and you could be doing anything you wanted, and all
you can think about is how angry and bitter and
depressed you are and how furious you are. And I
feel like that in its own self is also very relatable.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
So that balance.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Between Carol sucking but still those moments where we all
go oh wow, yeah, I see where she's coming from.
That is a truly gilliganesque balance that I think is
going to really ultimately pay off.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Yeah, one other thing that I wanted to get into,
just to circle back a little bit about the actual
reveal of the HDP and what it is and how
so far throughout the season, I feel like there've been
these questions or mysteries introduced that are pretty quickly explained,
and most of the time the explanations are very reasonable
or make a lot of sense within the logic of
(17:04):
the show, the world of the show, and I think
the HDP thing was a great example of that. So
how do we feel about the reveal that, you know,
our initial obvious assumption like, oh, maybe they're just eating people,
it's a swim and green thing was right. Were you
guys disappointed by that or because that was pretty subversive
in my opinion to just give us the obvious answer.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I was. I was really satisfied. I'm intrigued by the
way that it works in world, and like I immediately
found myself as John Ceno was kind of explaining their
limitations as we can't we can't kill or disrupt any
living thing. I can't go and like pull up wheat
(17:46):
and harvest rice even because that would be disrupting the
plant's natural life. I guess it left me wondering. I go, Okay,
how did like what's the what's the limit? Because like
you're walking around and you're like walking on ants, or
you're exactly killing you're killing single celled organisms like ause
(18:10):
you you know, in your stomach, So like what is
the actual limit?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I just am that can't be the whole story. There's
got to be.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Things around the edges that that are you're not telling
us about.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Definitely, especially because if you think about it, the whole
notion of like, oh, they need consent, but they didn't
need consent when they first infected the people. I think
it must be to infect the people that they know
they can't infect, they would They basically have some kind
of mental block or mental choice that is making it harder,
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so they have to consent, and that leads us to
what they were foreshadowing earlier in this season that Aaron
brought up on pre pro a little bit, which is
kind of this theory of the importance of Carol's frozen eggs.
Because they mentioned them, they bought up the fact that
they have them, and as Aaron pointed out, if they
wanted to get stem cells from Carol that she'd already
(19:06):
given her consent to have harvested, then she would be
in a situation where maybe that would be something.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Do you think that.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
You guys could see a world whether they Introdruce Paraguay, Guy,
introduce Carol, have them meet. But then the second season,
because of the eggs, they have actually turned Carol to
the hive mind and Carol becomes like the leader of
the hive mind for season two, and we're following the
rest of the group. I'm just I feel like the
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eggs are too much of a you can't.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Leave it for too long.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
They're not gonna be able to last that long. We
need to know whether or not it's going to work soon,
and if it does, I would love to see Ria
do a second season where she's just all sinister, terrifying smiles,
but maybe still trying to fight her way through.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
That would be interesting there, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I I feel like that the eggs have to be something,
and I do agree that if they have the stem
cells already in their possession, that basically disrupts the piece
where they can't get the stem cells without consent, so
they can just i think, escalate to make the infection.
(20:20):
It'll be interesting to see if Carol. I think Carol
will actually figure that out before they do it. I
think she'll ask about it, Hey, guised episode, I think
she'll figure that. I think that, knowing what she now knows,
she will eventually figure that out.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Let's go to a quick breakery right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Let's talk about Paraguay Guy for a second, because I
am it does feel like like he's a spy or
a government agent or a former military like he's too
prepared with maps and with all the stuff he has
hidden in.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
His house for.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Back to cash, for like hitting the road. And one
thing we have not seen is any kind of introduction
of a threat of violence, And I do wonder if
he will bring that, like if his if his philosophy
(21:33):
will be just like, let's, I don't know, let's kill
them all or something.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I was wondering whether it's going to be something like
he was a prepper who knew that aliens were coming
because he was a scientist who'd worked in NASA or something,
or this is the more out there one. But I
believe Vince could present it in an unexpected way, like
you said, and with the so green kind of human reveal,
(22:01):
it felt like that could be the only reveal. But
the way they did it, with this kind of John
Cena psa kind of here's what's going on.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Was so unusual. I also wonder if there's a world
where Paraguay Guy.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Is somebody who escaped from a different planet that they
did this to one hundred years ago and has just
been living chill you know, like Vince Gilligan could actually
present that in a way where I'd go, Yeah, here's
a guy who's been just chilling on this planet fifty
years waiting for this to happen, So I'm interested if
it's that Ian.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What do you think about Paraguay Guy? Yeah, do you
think Paraguay Guy is a spy or what?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Yeah? I think there's gonna be because he seems way
more paranoid or afraid of the Highline in a way
that like even Carol is not. She's more like angry
at them or like annoyed, but he's like paranoid, like afraid.
So I think, yeah, there's there's something more about him,
obviously that we still have yet to learn, but like
he's yeah, a spy or like you said, an alien
(22:57):
who is here just like trying to retire on Earth
or some I'm thinking he's like, shit, this other high
mind is fucking up my retirement plans exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It feels very coded to that. It seems like we're
definitely going towards a Carol Paraguay Guy meet up. Do
you think there's a version where Jason if you're reading
that right, and he shows up and is like I'm
a blo up a bunch of people with dynamite, Like
it's not really them we need to kill the Hive Mind.
Is Carol gonna end up trying to save Zosha and
(23:26):
the other survivors where we see her take a little
step towards redemption in that way, or will hur and
Paraguay Guy team up? I think those are like the
biggest questions.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I think that well, if I'm right, I expect Carol
will be stuck somewhere in the middle of trying to
trying to hold Paraguay Guy back somehow. But I you know,
like again, I think one of the most fantastic things
about this show is like, you don't really I.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Have no idea. I think I just could go in
any direction.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I wanted to ask everybody as kind of our final
cover station starter in inspired by Diabate's you know, fantastic
quality of life and what would we what would you
be doing? Hive Mind hits same exact rules your immune Obviously,
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it's very traumatic and there's other things going. You know,
there's going to be a lot of feelings of loss
and grief and this.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
That and the other. What are we? What do we
end up doing to pass the time.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Oh man, okay, I would probably take a few pages
out of the Diabante playbook. I don't know if I
would go full on harem. I don't know if I
would go full on harem.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I mean it's a harem folks.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
But I would definitely be like, you know, eating dinner
on the Eiffel Tower, or like you know, playing video
games like in the coliseum or some shit like stuff
like that. I think I would like headline Coachella for
the Hive Mind.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Like you know, I like that.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I would definitely be in Palm Springs, I think would
be my base. That's like a good walkable town. They've
got like good infrastructure. I would definitely just be That
would be like my my Vegas style bas I would
be watching a.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Lot of movies in the movie theater.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I would be playing a lot of video games in
the movie theater, hook up the projector you know. I
don't know if I trust the Hive Mind to like
flymy places as much as they say, you know, you
can trust them. That's why I'm I'm driving anywhere I
can go. That's driving.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What don't you try what? I love this?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But what is it that you don't I don't know
you trust that you're worried about a Carol Wi.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Fi outage, Carol Wi Fi outage. We don't really know
how it works. What if one of them has a
memory and ends up.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Getting like stressed and like X is out and just
crashes the plane?
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Like every guy, get it? Who is a part?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Every person in the hive mind can fly a plane
because somebody was a part. But that also means they
have the memories of a drunk pilot who like didn't
know the way.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
You know, like I don't know I'm driving. I'm driving.
I'm also like that's pretty good. I don't know how
to drive.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
So I would just drive there in like a if
I if I haven't larned by then when this happens,
I'll drive that in like a you know, one of
those steam rollers or something. So I'm just like driving
down that one street to Palm Springs in a giant
steamroll and just steam rolling over anything else.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Ian where is where's your home base gonna be?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Where you live in while you fly out to Paris
for the Eiffel Tower dinner?
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Oh I would probably hmm. I would probably set up
in like cancoon or talloom or something like that. Keep it,
keep it, keep it real, chill, keep it. What about you, Jason,
what would you do?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Wow, That's that's it. I would, you know, I would like,
I think i'd follow the sun. You know, I'd be like,
what's the great place to hang out for a season,
So i' you know, three months of the year in Cancun, Tuloom,
I think is a great on New Mexico City, three
months of the year in Hawaii. Yeah, just kind of
(27:15):
like follow it around. I think that I would set
up in I don't need the I don't need to
I get a nice house in all the places, okay,
And then I would I would have obviously all the
Hive mind are the greatest musicians of all time. It's
like you can just have a random.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But I would, But I would still be like, Okay,
where's you know, I don't know where's King is?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
King Von still like, who can I get people like
musicians for the vessels?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He's still going.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And I would just have them come out and whatever
and we talk and they do like stage play and stuff,
and have comedians come out. And then I would also
and I'd spend a lot of that time, like digging
into you know, what's up with what's up with JFK,
what's up with RFK, what's up with aliens?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
What's up with the lock ness? Big Foot?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know like MH three seventy, you know, the whole Epstein.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Like the whole.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
All the ship. I'd be like, tell me what happened.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Literally, you would be like the you could become this
is something I will say different show, but you could
become essentially like the world's most objective archivist.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Where you just not you're just like askin. You're like,
tell me everything, and it's not just archiving it. You're like, hey,
you know what happened in the government. What do we
need to know for the next world?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Like that's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Actually, that's a great idea, and just be like, now
I have all the shit for you know, hopefully one day,
Carol or somebody we figure it out and we turn
it off. We get everything in the most non violent,
non disruptive way back to normal, and look, I've got.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
All the what do you want to know?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Let's release it now.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
We can tell everybody now what's going releasing every five
alien technology since the fifties.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
I need to add to my list because I forgot
about like all the other like people who would still
be around. So I'm having Lebron to like teach me
how to shoot threes. Cocoa golf is my tennis instructor.
I'm going back to back with Scrillx like on Coachella
main stage.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
I'm doing all of it.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm doing all of it.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I do like the idea that like the moment that
we all become available, like in the Hive Mind, where like, well,
I mind.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Already took over everyone, we may as.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Well use them while they hit, like let me enjoy it,
like they seem to enjoy it right, Like I'm mine
Schoolsesey's coming.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Around to like teach you about how to make a movie.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Now I'm making him watch all the Marvel movies with me.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I mean, listen, do you bout it? I don't I
feel listen.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I think that there's questions about the ethics of what
Diabat is doing.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
At the same time he made he makes it.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Look good, and it's like, you know, when you actually
talk to the Hive Mind, you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
They make a lot of good points.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They want to they kind of want to be doing it,
you know, hey.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Ben said when he made this show, his basic idea
was like what if the Hive Mind had a point,
Like what if you maybe should join the body snatches
or whatever? You know, So I kind of love that
on that on that topic, actually this has inspired like one,
what is the music that you know the Paraguay guy
(30:43):
was hearing, like that loan radio frequency he can pick up?
Because I want to know about that. And also the
other thing that I'm kind of really interested in him
now is just what is the Hive Mind's ultimate goal
that's gonna eye feel make us all go, oh, yeah,
they do have a point, Like are they trying to.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Save their land? Is I think that?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Is it gonna go that textual to the point of like, oh,
Carol really is going against what's best for her and
best for the planet and best to everyone on it,
because right now she is already doing that simply by
the fact that she's putting seven billion people at risk
if she tries to pursue the what she wants. But
I'm very interested to see how far Vince goes with
(31:28):
that kind of like the moralistic aspect of like is
it better to join the hive mind. I'm guessing that's
probably a season two question because we've only got a
couple of episodes left.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, Like, what if it's like a global warming or
like a climate change kind of play rightly, you guys
are going to burn up all these resources. We know
how to be more efficient. We can save this dying
planet kind of thing, and.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Then we can give everyone their consent back or whatever
version they flame.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Interesting, I mean, what if it's literally just to spread,
Like I don't know that there's necessarily any kind of
like higher reason maybe than to just keep spreading and going.
Like when you think about it, it's not like humans
have any reason to keep going, Like we just at
(32:15):
like I don't know, make more of us, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
It lived comfortably.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It feels like it. It really might be that simple.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like maybe you know, maybe we've we've tossed around the
idea that maybe they're harnessing the biomass of a planet
to build something. And I'm sure part of their project
is going to be building the antenna right to send
to send the beam ount And it might also be
(32:44):
that in doing this and infecting a planet this problem
that they're encountering is probably the same problem that they
encountered on the last planet, which is feeding everybody, And
so maybe it's simply build the antenna before we all starve,
(33:05):
so that you can you know, build literally.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Oh okay, interesting.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I like that. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued to see
where it's going.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I can't believe we've got more than one show on
at the moment where I'm just like, where the fuck
is this going? It's blessing, it's blessing. Any lost big
plurbus thoughts ian before we leave off one oh six.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah, just kind of to tie up some of the
things we touched on already. It's, you know, again, a
lot of the explanations from the High Mind have been
very reasonable or made sense, and you know, within the
logic of the show, and so I'm wondering, like it's
almost too convenient, too easy, Like they almost have an
answer for everything, and at a certain point, I feel
like that's going to set us up for a turn
(33:51):
or something sinister. And to that point, I feel like
Diabate is also like a little maybe too trusting of
everything they're telling him. I know they can't lie, but
I feel like he's just taking everything at face value,
and like, I feel like that might end up coming
back to bite him at some point, you know, because
I think ultimately Carol is going to have some kind
of vindication moment where she's gonna be like, see, I
(34:12):
told you, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
So I didn't want to I did want.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
To wonder about that.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Who do we think?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So there's that moment where Diabat is on the phone
with somebody, yes, and he's like, well, she's so lonely.
It's clearly somebody is trying to talk him out of
hanging out with Carol. And again we see this kind
of interesting and surprising generous side to him where he
just like actually feels bad for her. Who's he talking
to another survivor? Zosha hive mind? Like, oh, who do
(34:41):
we think?
Speaker 6 (34:42):
My two guesses were either like LOCKSHMI or one of
the other survivors, or or Zosia I think, or like
some other hive mind person.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
My simple answer is the hive mind because it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
My slightly more still simple, but hoping it's a Vince Gilligan.
I wonder if they're going to bring in with the
arrival of the Paraguay Man and Carol team up.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
I wonder if they're going to bring in we're learning more.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
About the hierarchy of the survivors as it exists without Carol,
we didn't know anything about that. I wonder if they're
going to bring in a survivor who's kind of become
the boss of the survivors in this ensuing time, because
that's essentially an entire social structure we know nothing about
because they've all been in conversation with each other, they've
(35:30):
been in constant contact, and Carol.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
So it will be really interesting if there's someone who
comes out as a kind of figurehead against Carol and
Paraguay guy who's maybe more in on it than them.
But I feel like, ultimately, especially because some of the
posters they've been revealing recently, there was a great post
that they did that was like a painted poster of
Carol kind of kneeling next to Zosha and a wheelchair
(35:53):
and stuff. I ultimately think Zosha and Carol that's going
to be a connection that put she is Carol into
goodness because I do think she cares about her. So
my guest says, it's someone else on the phone because
I don't think Zosha would convince even after what happened
to I don't think she'd got out of her way
to try and convince them not to spend time with Carol.
But yeah, the Dea Barty conversation and Diabartaya's general character
(36:18):
just such a good subversion of what we expect because
he is very thoughtful and kind of kind.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Well, can't wait to keep talking about this show coming
up next on X Revision.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
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But first up, Pluribus episode six HDP. It's a de
Bay Carol drives to Vegas to see Diabate and Diabate
let me tell you he's making the post invasion Hive
mind world seem pretty good.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I would be living like him.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
He's living like a James Bond meets Elvis in a
Heineken commercial kind of lifestyle. Doing make them up, doing
little improvs where like he's James Bond and he's got
to beat some you know, arms dealer at no limit
hold them and they're betting four million dollars a hand,
(01:45):
and it's it's fun for him. He's having a great time.
When Carol approaches, though, the party kind of ends because
all the hive mind folks are like, hey, we gotta go.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
She's annoying us out, Like, let's just yeah, she's a.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Little scary, it's a little annoying.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
She blew up one of us with a grenade and
then gave one of us a heart attack, and then
we all started crying worldwide, and it's just too much.
So I know, we were about it seemed like we're
about to get it into like an orgy here.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
With you and the jacuzzi Diabate, including the cleaning staff.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But we're gonna have to shut that down for now
now and because Carol's coming. Carol gets there, but before
she can tell Diabate her shocking discovery that you know,
if from the walk in freezer, which is just like
heads and arms and legs and basically the high mind's
(02:40):
eating people. He's like, oh, you mean the high minding
people think, yeah, watch this video by John.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Cena incredible, incredible drop.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Sina On behalf of the hive mind, tells Carol what's
going on. Basically, there are you know, seven billion hive
mind and since due to biological rules, they can't kill
a living thing, even plants, which means the hive mind
is steadily starving food left over in storage, fruits, vegetables
that fall on the ground, and I guess you know,
(03:10):
all meat and stuff that are ready to milk or
dye are naturally the.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Main food sources they can interact with.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
That supply is earmarked though for Carol and other survivors,
and they will always receive the best of that. But
there's a lot of caloric deficit to make up. Thus
the people protein HDP HDP, which honestly it's giving soil
and green. We did get it, soil and green. We
(03:38):
did get this right, guys. But I trust me to
have something up his sleeve.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
It's peep.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Carol, she is left reeling and she's basically then learns
that all the survivors apart from Paraguay Guy, have been
basically in a group chat because Carol is the annoying
person you don't want in the group chat, and they
don't want her in there. She's aggressive, she's toxic, and
(04:06):
Diabarte's basically like bro. The hive mind has about ten
years before they starve to death. So me and the
other survivors have been trying to figure out solutions, robots
to pick food like, they've actually been coming up with plans.
Carol is her and being left out, but apparently it
went to vote and buy democratic decree.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Absolutely no one likes her and I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Buy it is a brutal, brutal beat for Carol.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So Carol goes to sleep like in the bathroom, like
on a big, big couch. This, you know, Diabate suite
is like every room is the size of a house.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, And the bathroom couch always reminds me of like
if you go into like a fancy Nordstrom or something,
they always have like a women's bathroom and you're like,
why is there a couch here?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I don't know, but I'm into it. It was giving Diabarte, you.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Know, in true Vince Gilgen style, Tay is a hedonist,
but he's like very kind. There's something else. There's a
softness to him. There's a generosity weird weirdly to him
as well as this kind of like you know, over
the top lifestyle. And he puts a blanket on her
and the next day he makes breakfast and Carol tries
(05:19):
to stick around by being by kind of like you know,
as a test balloon and be like, maybe I'll hang
around Vegas, like get my own sweet somewhere, and she
can tell by his body language that he's like, I
don't need that, so so she's like, Aha, just kidding,
I'm gonna go back to Albert. I can't wait to
get back to albertquer.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Go'll be great. I love it that, I love it.
Things are guy great and they're fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Carol, meanwhile, is still obviously hostile to the heart hive mind,
doesn't really care about the starvation issue, basically saying like
that's their fault for doing this, uh, and is still
totally dedicated to figuring out like a solution to this infection.
(06:02):
And she points out to Debat what happens anyway when
they figured out how to infect us and now Diabate
drops a fucking bomb that apparently the Hive mind only
figured out yesterday that they need stem cells from a
survivor in order to infect them to tailor the virus
(06:25):
directly towards their DNA and.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Their stem cells.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But to harvest the stem cells they would need consent
and if they and if a person won't give consent,
then they can't do it and how And Carol's like what,
So she calls the timeline number to get to to
basically confirm this, and the Hive Mind confirm it and
that's it. And then as Carol is leaving, Diabaate is like,
(06:49):
let the Hive Mind come back. Can you just chill
out so they can you know, they'll come back, and
Soshi wants to see you, and you know, they want
to see you basically, and Carol's like, fuck them, fuck.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Them, I know.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm like, make up your mind, babe. Three days earlier,
Paraguay Guy finally finds the frequency on which the Hive
Mind appeared to be wi fiing. He also opens Carol's
a little special video package and learns that the Hive
Mind cannot lie and are not really a threat as
(07:19):
they're totally nonviolent and will agree to whatever you say.
He finally leaves his bunker goes to collect some stuff
and eat. He gets his car ready, gathers some stuff,
lots of spy maps.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, he's breaks.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
He is definitely a spy of some kind or some
kind of like special preppers, preppers something. Definitely he's ready,
and he's obviously going to visit Carol.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
His mum meets him on the street, but he.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Is hostile to her, saying it's not really his mum,
it's obviously a hive mind. And this is I thought,
such a great Vince moment where he's like, actually, my
mom was fucking mean and horror most and would never
have been fucking nice to me, So don't come to
me with this bullshit fate. That is the first sign
(08:11):
of the more sinister side. I think of what they're
doing is this kind of reprogramming that means, even if
you are not involved, they are going to try and
restructure your life in a way that's like happier. I
think that that moment for me was the first moment
where I was like, oh, that's really bleak. Like your
(08:31):
abusive mom comes up to you in the street and she's.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Like, hey, don't leave, I love you.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's like, no, go away, don't do that, like, you're
not winning me over to the hive mind.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Then let's bring super producer he and then to discuss.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
This episode, and we're back.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Let's tap in Ian super producer ian Ian, Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
What did you think of this episode?
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Fantastic episode. I think this might have been my favorite
of the season so far. Between a lot of big
information reveals that we're given this episode, the John Cena
cameo I thought.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Was excellent, so good.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
He's having a huge year, He's having a massive Isn't.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
That exactly who you would expect aliens to get to? Yes,
I was, yeah, you like, oh, John Cena says, this
is okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Right, like the guy with the most makeup wash grants ever, Like, yeah,
I'll trust him, yeah, you know. And then also just
some of the cinematography to the shots of the Vegas
streets empty, you know. I know that's like a common
trope in a lot of these kind of survival shows
and movies, but it's always super impressive to me when
you see these huge urban cores completely empty and abandoned
(09:56):
like that. And like you mentioned last week, you know,
like the liminal spaces and things, and just seeing these
really densely crowded places completely abandoned. I think those are
those kinds of shots are always super interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I think Vince did a just quickly, just did an
incredible job with those shots, because oftentimes I feel like
nowadays you think about blade around of twenty forty nine
or something compared to your twenty eight days later, they
always feel very cig But I was absolutely like they
must have gone out there and shot at like three
in the morning and closed off certain parts of the
road or something, because it just looked incredible. I love
(10:30):
the little extra mile that he is going to make
this feel real.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Is really selling this and settling the show for me.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Let's talk about Carol's air quotes, discovery, her reveal to Diabate,
and then basically her discovery of how actually complete her
isolation is, because I found that to be such a
fun way to twist these revelations around and adding another
(11:02):
dimension to them and kind of like underlining the basic theme,
which is Carol weirdly is kind of like her own
enemy and yes, yes, mission to try and save the world.
I thought that was so well done. To your point
that John Cena thing was perfect. And the thing that
(11:23):
I love about this episode is how I'm sitting there going, well,
I guess you know the high Mine have a point, right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
What did you do?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I mean, that's what I want to get into.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, let's get into that.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Vince Gilligan has basically like taken a trope that we
all thought is.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
A dangerous trope to play with, which is the unlikable woman.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Right right, But then he turned it into a searing
kind of take on like main character syndrome and how
like being obsessed with your own version of what the
world needs to be and not being in community with
even the twelve people you can still be in community
with the fact that she is essentially the last person
(12:10):
on earth who's been kept out of the group chat
is like such a horrifically yeh crifically millennial thing. Ian
talk a little bit more about the way that Vince
is building that stuff in because that isolation level is
so painful.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean, I think this when Carol learns the
truth about the HGP and how you know she's the
last one essentially to find out that it's basically her
own fault for choosing to isolate herself and be so antagonistic. Yes,
not only towards the hive mind, but towards the other
survivors as well. You know, if she had just taken
the time to ask a few more questions or be
(12:46):
a little bit more curious, she probably would have learned
this information earlier, just like Diabat did you know again?
He was like, well, I asked them, like, why are
you guys drinking milk all the time?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And so they explained it to him because they can't
lie exactly. His note that well, you know, some of
our non English speakers, they were offended. And I think
that there's there's so many interesting levels to this. There's
the one level from the other survivor's perspective of like
I can imagine being Diabaate or being someone else who's like, Okay,
(13:19):
obviously this is concerning and there's a lot of downsides
to this, But I'm also gonna, you know, I'm gonna
enjoy this because why not. And two, it's got to
be pretty off putting for some like white American survivor
to be like, hey, everybody, listen to me.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
That's what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
First of all, you're gonna have to listen to me
in English, and second of all, we're doing this, we're
saving the world. And the other level that I keep
thinking about, especially in this episode of thinking a lot
about it, is like, how much of this do you
think is recall the reaction to the really misogynistic reaction
to Skyler and Breaking Bad, where it's like, oh, it's
(14:02):
Skyle was so boring and she's such a nag, And
it's like when she was just reacting basically how a
normal person would react if they discovered their husband was
like a fucking major drug dealer.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
She kept her family going as well, like there's something
to that. Yeah, how much of this is him saying
he's gonna make a skylaw?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Vince saying, oh you want you want a woman
who you don't like, who you like?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
You want?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Is here we go?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You're gonna get in now?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Oh you really?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I love that take, Jason, because I do think the
Skyla conversation was such a and it's still honestly, there's
probably still someone to write a book about that that
we haven't even read yet about all of it. So
I love that Vince as a re as like a
reaction to Breaking Bad, making Carol like this.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I also think that he is doing a masterclass.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And this is the sort of thing where I think
his way of subverting these stories maybe even takes a
little while for people to clock onto, including like myself, right,
because I think you make a character like this, you
make a character like Carol, it's meant to be about redemption,
or it's meant to be about unlikability, but like it's
meant to be about her trauma. And but what he's
(15:16):
doing is he's giving us all of that, and he
has managed to make Carol an empathetic person to a point,
But now he's saying, what is it like to be
around that person? Like you can be as empathetic as
you want. But like also Diabarte, like who is still
trying to deal with everything Carol's dealing with and he's
chosen to deal with it in a hedonistic way, right
(15:38):
to make the most of it. Like she is acting
like no one else has been through what she's been through,
just because the others are dealing with it differently. And
I think that must be such a frustrating thing. And
we know nothing because we've been in Carol's perspectives. We
know nothing about where these people came from, what their
life experience was, Like, I think this is a very
(15:58):
interesting kind of also a bit of a treatise on
like depression and how when you're incredibly depressed, it doesn't
matter what you do, you still are deep, deep, deep
in that like loneliness and depression. And I do feel
that with Carol sometimes, like I'm like, You're in Vegas
(16:18):
and you could be doing anything you wanted, and all
you can think about is how angry and bitter and
depressed you are and how furious you are. And I
feel like that in its own self is also very relatable.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
So that balance.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Between Carol sucking but still those moments where we all
go oh wow, yeah, I see where she's coming from.
That is a truly gilliganesque balance that I think is
going to really ultimately pay off.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Yeah, one other thing that I wanted to get into,
just to circle back a little bit about the actual
reveal of the HDP and what it is and how
so far throughout the season, I feel like there've been
these questions or mysteries introduced that are pretty quickly explained,
and most of the time the explanations are very reasonable
or make a lot of sense within the logic of
(17:04):
the show, the world of the show, and I think
the HDP thing was a great example of that. So
how do we feel about the reveal that, you know,
our initial obvious assumption like, oh, maybe they're just eating people,
it's a swim and green thing was right. Were you
guys disappointed by that or because that was pretty subversive
in my opinion to just give us the obvious answer.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I was. I was really satisfied. I'm intrigued by the
way that it works in world, and like I immediately
found myself as John Ceno was kind of explaining their
limitations as we can't we can't kill or disrupt any
living thing. I can't go and like pull up wheat
(17:46):
and harvest rice even because that would be disrupting the
plant's natural life. I guess it left me wondering. I go, Okay,
how did like what's the what's the limit? Because like
you're walking around and you're like walking on ants, or
you're exactly killing you're killing single celled organisms like ause
(18:10):
you you know, in your stomach, So like what is
the actual limit?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I just am that can't be the whole story. There's
got to be.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Things around the edges that that are you're not telling
us about.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Definitely, especially because if you think about it, the whole
notion of like, oh, they need consent, but they didn't
need consent when they first infected the people. I think
it must be to infect the people that they know
they can't infect, they would They basically have some kind
of mental block or mental choice that is making it harder,
(18:44):
so they have to consent, and that leads us to
what they were foreshadowing earlier in this season that Aaron
brought up on pre pro a little bit, which is
kind of this theory of the importance of Carol's frozen eggs.
Because they mentioned them, they bought up the fact that
they have them, and as Aaron pointed out, if they
wanted to get stem cells from Carol that she'd already
(19:06):
given her consent to have harvested, then she would be
in a situation where maybe that would be something.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Do you think that.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
You guys could see a world whether they Introdruce Paraguay, Guy,
introduce Carol, have them meet. But then the second season,
because of the eggs, they have actually turned Carol to
the hive mind and Carol becomes like the leader of
the hive mind for season two, and we're following the
rest of the group. I'm just I feel like the
(19:36):
eggs are too much of a you can't.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Leave it for too long.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
They're not gonna be able to last that long. We
need to know whether or not it's going to work soon,
and if it does, I would love to see Ria
do a second season where she's just all sinister, terrifying smiles,
but maybe still trying to fight her way through.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
That would be interesting there, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I I feel like that the eggs have to be something,
and I do agree that if they have the stem
cells already in their possession, that basically disrupts the piece
where they can't get the stem cells without consent, so
they can just i think, escalate to make the infection.
(20:20):
It'll be interesting to see if Carol. I think Carol
will actually figure that out before they do it. I
think she'll ask about it, Hey, guised episode, I think
she'll figure that. I think that, knowing what she now knows,
she will eventually figure that out.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Let's go to a quick breakery right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Let's talk about Paraguay Guy for a second, because I
am it does feel like like he's a spy or
a government agent or a former military like he's too
prepared with maps and with all the stuff he has
hidden in.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
His house for.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Back to cash, for like hitting the road. And one
thing we have not seen is any kind of introduction
of a threat of violence, And I do wonder if
he will bring that, like if his if his philosophy
(21:33):
will be just like, let's, I don't know, let's kill
them all or something.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I was wondering whether it's going to be something like
he was a prepper who knew that aliens were coming
because he was a scientist who'd worked in NASA or something,
or this is the more out there one. But I
believe Vince could present it in an unexpected way, like
you said, and with the so green kind of human reveal,
(22:01):
it felt like that could be the only reveal. But
the way they did it, with this kind of John
Cena psa kind of here's what's going on.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Was so unusual. I also wonder if there's a world
where Paraguay Guy.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Is somebody who escaped from a different planet that they
did this to one hundred years ago and has just
been living chill you know, like Vince Gilligan could actually
present that in a way where I'd go, Yeah, here's
a guy who's been just chilling on this planet fifty
years waiting for this to happen, So I'm interested if
it's that Ian.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
What do you think about Paraguay Guy? Yeah, do you
think Paraguay Guy is a spy or what?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Yeah? I think there's gonna be because he seems way
more paranoid or afraid of the Highline in a way
that like even Carol is not. She's more like angry
at them or like annoyed, but he's like paranoid, like afraid.
So I think, yeah, there's there's something more about him,
obviously that we still have yet to learn, but like
he's yeah, a spy or like you said, an alien
(22:57):
who is here just like trying to retire on Earth
or some I'm thinking he's like, shit, this other high
mind is fucking up my retirement plans exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It feels very coded to that. It seems like we're
definitely going towards a Carol Paraguay Guy meet up. Do
you think there's a version where Jason if you're reading
that right, and he shows up and is like I'm
a blo up a bunch of people with dynamite, Like
it's not really them we need to kill the Hive Mind.
Is Carol gonna end up trying to save Zosha and
(23:26):
the other survivors where we see her take a little
step towards redemption in that way, or will hur and
Paraguay Guy team up? I think those are like the
biggest questions.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I think that well, if I'm right, I expect Carol
will be stuck somewhere in the middle of trying to
trying to hold Paraguay Guy back somehow. But I you know,
like again, I think one of the most fantastic things
about this show is like, you don't really I.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Have no idea. I think I just could go in
any direction.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I wanted to ask everybody as kind of our final
cover station starter in inspired by Diabate's you know, fantastic
quality of life and what would we what would you
be doing? Hive Mind hits same exact rules your immune Obviously,
(24:21):
it's very traumatic and there's other things going. You know,
there's going to be a lot of feelings of loss
and grief and this.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
That and the other. What are we? What do we
end up doing to pass the time.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Oh man, okay, I would probably take a few pages
out of the Diabante playbook. I don't know if I
would go full on harem. I don't know if I
would go full on harem.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I mean it's a harem folks.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
But I would definitely be like, you know, eating dinner
on the Eiffel Tower, or like you know, playing video
games like in the coliseum or some shit like stuff
like that. I think I would like headline Coachella for
the Hive Mind.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Like you know, I like that.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I would definitely be in Palm Springs, I think would
be my base. That's like a good walkable town. They've
got like good infrastructure. I would definitely just be That
would be like my my Vegas style bas I would
be watching a.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Lot of movies in the movie theater.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I would be playing a lot of video games in
the movie theater, hook up the projector you know. I
don't know if I trust the Hive Mind to like
flymy places as much as they say, you know, you
can trust them. That's why I'm I'm driving anywhere I
can go. That's driving.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What don't you try what? I love this?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But what is it that you don't I don't know
you trust that you're worried about a Carol Wi.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Fi outage, Carol Wi Fi outage. We don't really know
how it works. What if one of them has a
memory and ends up.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Getting like stressed and like X is out and just
crashes the plane?
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Like every guy, get it? Who is a part?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Every person in the hive mind can fly a plane
because somebody was a part. But that also means they
have the memories of a drunk pilot who like didn't
know the way.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
You know, like I don't know I'm driving. I'm driving.
I'm also like that's pretty good. I don't know how
to drive.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
So I would just drive there in like a if
I if I haven't larned by then when this happens,
I'll drive that in like a you know, one of
those steam rollers or something. So I'm just like driving
down that one street to Palm Springs in a giant
steamroll and just steam rolling over anything else.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Ian where is where's your home base gonna be?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Where you live in while you fly out to Paris
for the Eiffel Tower dinner?
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Oh I would probably hmm. I would probably set up
in like cancoon or talloom or something like that. Keep it,
keep it, keep it real, chill, keep it. What about you, Jason,
what would you do?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Wow, That's that's it. I would, you know, I would like,
I think i'd follow the sun. You know, I'd be like,
what's the great place to hang out for a season,
So i' you know, three months of the year in Cancun, Tuloom,
I think is a great on New Mexico City, three
months of the year in Hawaii. Yeah, just kind of
(27:15):
like follow it around. I think that I would set
up in I don't need the I don't need to
I get a nice house in all the places, okay,
And then I would I would have obviously all the
Hive mind are the greatest musicians of all time. It's
like you can just have a random.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But I would, But I would still be like, Okay,
where's you know, I don't know where's King is?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
King Von still like, who can I get people like
musicians for the vessels?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He's still going.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
And I would just have them come out and whatever
and we talk and they do like stage play and stuff,
and have comedians come out. And then I would also
and I'd spend a lot of that time, like digging
into you know, what's up with what's up with JFK,
what's up with RFK, what's up with aliens?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
What's up with the lock ness? Big Foot?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know like MH three seventy, you know, the whole Epstein.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Like the whole.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
All the ship. I'd be like, tell me what happened.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Literally, you would be like the you could become this
is something I will say different show, but you could
become essentially like the world's most objective archivist.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Where you just not you're just like askin. You're like,
tell me everything, and it's not just archiving it. You're like, hey,
you know what happened in the government. What do we
need to know for the next world?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Like that's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Actually, that's a great idea, and just be like, now
I have all the shit for you know, hopefully one day,
Carol or somebody we figure it out and we turn
it off. We get everything in the most non violent,
non disruptive way back to normal, and look, I've got.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
All the what do you want to know?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Let's release it now.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
We can tell everybody now what's going releasing every five
alien technology since the fifties.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
I need to add to my list because I forgot
about like all the other like people who would still
be around. So I'm having Lebron to like teach me
how to shoot threes. Cocoa golf is my tennis instructor.
I'm going back to back with Scrillx like on Coachella
main stage.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
I'm doing all of it.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm doing all of it.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I do like the idea that like the moment that
we all become available, like in the Hive Mind, where like, well,
I mind.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Already took over everyone, we may as.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Well use them while they hit, like let me enjoy it,
like they seem to enjoy it right, Like I'm mine
Schoolsesey's coming.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Around to like teach you about how to make a movie.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Now I'm making him watch all the Marvel movies with me.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I mean, listen, do you bout it? I don't I
feel listen.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I think that there's questions about the ethics of what
Diabat is doing.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
At the same time he made he makes it.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Look good, and it's like, you know, when you actually
talk to the Hive Mind, you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
They make a lot of good points.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They want to they kind of want to be doing it,
you know, hey.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Ben said when he made this show, his basic idea
was like what if the Hive Mind had a point,
Like what if you maybe should join the body snatches
or whatever? You know, So I kind of love that
on that on that topic, actually this has inspired like one,
what is the music that you know the Paraguay guy
(30:43):
was hearing, like that loan radio frequency he can pick up?
Because I want to know about that. And also the
other thing that I'm kind of really interested in him
now is just what is the Hive Mind's ultimate goal
that's gonna eye feel make us all go, oh, yeah,
they do have a point, Like are they trying to.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Save their land? Is I think that?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Is it gonna go that textual to the point of like, oh,
Carol really is going against what's best for her and
best for the planet and best to everyone on it,
because right now she is already doing that simply by
the fact that she's putting seven billion people at risk
if she tries to pursue the what she wants. But
I'm very interested to see how far Vince goes with
(31:28):
that kind of like the moralistic aspect of like is
it better to join the hive mind. I'm guessing that's
probably a season two question because we've only got a
couple of episodes left.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, Like, what if it's like a global warming or
like a climate change kind of play rightly, you guys
are going to burn up all these resources. We know
how to be more efficient. We can save this dying
planet kind of thing, and.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Then we can give everyone their consent back or whatever
version they flame.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Interesting, I mean, what if it's literally just to spread,
Like I don't know that there's necessarily any kind of
like higher reason maybe than to just keep spreading and going.
Like when you think about it, it's not like humans
have any reason to keep going, Like we just at
(32:15):
like I don't know, make more of us, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
It lived comfortably.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It feels like it. It really might be that simple.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like maybe you know, maybe we've we've tossed around the
idea that maybe they're harnessing the biomass of a planet
to build something. And I'm sure part of their project
is going to be building the antenna right to send
to send the beam ount And it might also be
(32:44):
that in doing this and infecting a planet this problem
that they're encountering is probably the same problem that they
encountered on the last planet, which is feeding everybody, And
so maybe it's simply build the antenna before we all starve,
(33:05):
so that you can you know, build literally.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Oh okay, interesting.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I like that. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued to see
where it's going.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I can't believe we've got more than one show on
at the moment where I'm just like, where the fuck
is this going? It's blessing, it's blessing. Any lost big
plurbus thoughts ian before we leave off one oh six.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah, just kind of to tie up some of the
things we touched on already. It's, you know, again, a
lot of the explanations from the High Mind have been
very reasonable or made sense, and you know, within the
logic of the show, and so I'm wondering, like it's
almost too convenient, too easy, Like they almost have an
answer for everything, and at a certain point, I feel
like that's going to set us up for a turn
(33:51):
or something sinister. And to that point, I feel like
Diabate is also like a little maybe too trusting of
everything they're telling him. I know they can't lie, but
I feel like he's just taking everything at face value,
and like, I feel like that might end up coming
back to bite him at some point, you know, because
I think ultimately Carol is going to have some kind
of vindication moment where she's gonna be like, see, I
(34:12):
told you, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
So I didn't want to I did want.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
To wonder about that.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Who do we think?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So there's that moment where Diabat is on the phone
with somebody, yes, and he's like, well, she's so lonely.
It's clearly somebody is trying to talk him out of
hanging out with Carol. And again we see this kind
of interesting and surprising generous side to him where he
just like actually feels bad for her. Who's he talking
to another survivor? Zosha hive mind? Like, oh, who do
(34:41):
we think?
Speaker 6 (34:42):
My two guesses were either like LOCKSHMI or one of
the other survivors, or or Zosia I think, or like
some other hive mind person.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
My simple answer is the hive mind because it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
My slightly more still simple, but hoping it's a Vince Gilligan.
I wonder if they're going to bring in with the
arrival of the Paraguay Man and Carol team up.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
I wonder if they're going to bring in we're learning more.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
About the hierarchy of the survivors as it exists without Carol,
we didn't know anything about that. I wonder if they're
going to bring in a survivor who's kind of become
the boss of the survivors in this ensuing time, because
that's essentially an entire social structure we know nothing about
because they've all been in conversation with each other, they've
(35:30):
been in constant contact, and Carol.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
So it will be really interesting if there's someone who
comes out as a kind of figurehead against Carol and
Paraguay guy who's maybe more in on it than them.
But I feel like, ultimately, especially because some of the
posters they've been revealing recently, there was a great post
that they did that was like a painted poster of
Carol kind of kneeling next to Zosha and a wheelchair
(35:53):
and stuff. I ultimately think Zosha and Carol that's going
to be a connection that put she is Carol into
goodness because I do think she cares about her. So
my guest says, it's someone else on the phone because
I don't think Zosha would convince even after what happened
to I don't think she'd got out of her way
to try and convince them not to spend time with Carol.
But yeah, the Dea Barty conversation and Diabartaya's general character
(36:18):
just such a good subversion of what we expect because
he is very thoughtful and kind of kind.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Well, can't wait to keep talking about this show coming
up next on X Revision.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
We have reactions to it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Welcome to Darry, episode seven and our end of the
Year awards.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
That's it for this episode.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
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by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is a production
of I Heard Podcast.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
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Speaker 1 (36:51):
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Speaker 4 (36:54):
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Speaker 2 (36:58):
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