October 29, 2025 • 12 mins
Bret Baier of Fox News joins Michael to talk about his new book.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're thrilled to have Brett Behar from Fox News joining
(00:02):
us earlier this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And Michael, your day isn't busy enough, is it?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
There you go, I'm out west right now, so it's
a little early.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Oh you're really sleepy.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well, you've done Ike, You've done Reagan, You've done Fdr.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Grant Washington, and now Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Why tech Well listen, it was he's a consequential figure
in history. He kind of jumps off the page. The
anecdotes are so rich, and you know he's he's obviously
on Mount Rushmore and is very significant. But each one
of these books I look kind of at a soda
straw moment that maybe history overlooked or wasn't covered at
(00:38):
the time that well, or didn't get talked about.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And one of.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The things with Teddy Roosevelt is that his legacy, he
wanted his legacy to be that he put America on
the map in the world, that he was a global leader,
that America was leaning forward in the world.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And he does that by reaching out to two.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Warring nations, Russia and Japan, fighting over a territorial dispute.
It's devolving into what could become a world war, and
he telegrams, writes letters to the leaders of those countries,
gets messages to them and says, I will host a peace.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Negotiation in the US.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And he brings the delegations from Russia and Japan to Portsmouth,
New Hampshire, and he sets up the logistics, and he
sets up all of the peace treaty negotiations, and he
shuttles back and forth. He becomes the guy the crucial
element to getting a peace deal between Russia and Japan.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
He does it, and he gets the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
So you do realize this kind of sounds like somebody.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Exactly, And this is so crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Every time I write one of these books, it seems
like it clicks into modern day one way or another.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know, it's funny, these journeys.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
My friend David Sanati just finished book on John Quincy Adams,
who was always one of my favorite presidents, the son
and maybe one of the most accomplished American servants ever.
And it's amazing these life lessons they're out there in
this and I can't imagine the amount of research you do.
But in all of this research, what surprised you the
most that you discovered that maybe none of us even noticed.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, well, first of all, he's a super complex guy.
He's not you know, all these people are humans, so
they have ups and downs, they have flaws, they have
great things.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
One of the things that surprised me is.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
How much he valued family, how much that he took
time out of every day to play with his kids,
even inside the White House. He at four o'clock, his
kids would come run into the office and say, Paul,
it's time, and he would say goodbye to whoever he
was with, and he would go run the halls of
(02:56):
the White House with roller skates and bicycles and there
were animals inside him. It's like a fun playhouse at times. Edith,
his wife at the time, said that he was the
seventh child. They had six kids, and so I was
surprised at how much he valued family, and that was
something that really came out through the research.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Ike Reagan, Fdr Grant Washington, Where's Teddy fitting and all
of this.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
You know, he's a different character, but definitely consequential and
makes the difference. You know, he gives this speech after
he leaves office in Paris, called the Citizenship in the
Republic speech, which eventually becomes the man in the Arena speech,
and it is basically, get in the game, be a doer,
(03:45):
do something.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Don't be the critic on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's you know, throwing grenades at the guy who's doing something.
Be the person who's down in the mud. And he
was one of those people. And if you look at
his life along the way, he's just got so many
different chapters of his life, but they add up to
something that's really consequential.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Hands down my favorite at Fox Brett Baer his new
book on Teddy Roosevelt. Research can only take it so far,
especially when we go this far back in time. Any
unresolved questions you have for Teddy, if you could ask him,
they could complete the book for you, what would it
have been.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, that's such a good question.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know, he was a troublemaker in each position that
he went into, and the establishment hated him, and he
was always stirring the pod and pushing the envelope.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Guess I would ask would he change anything about that?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
In some ways?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
To be more diplomatic, to get along, to be along
to you know somehow, you know, work through some of
that in each job he is sort of promoted out
of it because they're trying to get him out of there.
And in the ultimate is when he's New York governor
and the establishment says, this guy is too much.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We have to put him someplace where he doesn't do
any harm. And where do they put him? Vice President?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And you know, at the time, it was a very
ceremonial position, and McKinley's friends say to him.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Why are you putting this crazy man here? Whatever you do,
your number.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
One job is to not die in the next four
years so that he's not president. And six months later
an assassin takes McKinley out in Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So this disruptive force sounds very much like Trump. I
sense that Donald Trump is a big JFK guy. I
think he's probably a big Washington guy. Are you suspicious?
Maybe he knows a little bit more about Teddy Roosevelt
than he's let.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
On I think so. I do think. So there are similarities.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You know, Teddy Roosevelt is called a human cyclone. I've
been through day where I've ripped up my rundown of
my newscast six times because of the human cyclone of
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So we all have. Yeah, I think I think he
knows a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
He was a fan of McKinley, though he was you know,
he re established the Mount McKinley. He McKinley liked tariffs,
and you know, he points to McKinley, but he looks
at Teddy Roosevelt as a character and larger than life,
and that's what he is.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Right Bear.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
What a thrill it is to visit with you when
you study all these early presidents and you compare them,
not just to today's presidents, but today's America. It's almost
an obsession on the presidency and an over focus on
the presidency, and presidents love to stretch their powers. We're different,
the presidency is different. Are we worse?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, you know, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think that the founders believe that it was crucial
to have that balance.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The last book I wrote was to Rescue the Constitution
about George Way Washington and focused in the soda Straw
moment on the Constitutional Convention and how much George Washington
meant to that we as a country would not get
off the starting line without George Washington and what he
did inside that room.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But they really cared about the balance. I think the balance.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Has gotten, you know, arguably more focused on the presidency
and the executive. And one of the people who did
that was Teddy Roosevelt. In from George Washington to McKinley,
so President one through twenty five collectively all of them
signed twelve hundred executive orders. Teddy Roosevelt signed thirteen hundred
(07:42):
executive orders in his presidency.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now you talk about expanding the executive.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
A lot of that had to do with conservation and
protecting specific lands and national parks and forests and all
that he believed in, which really, to this day is
a huge, huge deal for America that we saved.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
All that land.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But still you talk about expanding the executive.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Teddy Roosevelt did that, bright.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Bear of Fox News, author of To Rescue the American Spirit,
Teddy Roosevelt and the Birth of a Superpower. All right, Well,
it's going to beg the question they should consume this
one and if they haven't read your Special heartbook, read that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
But what could be next?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure of the who I'm going to
dig in. I'm going to look for another soda straw moment.
That's overlooked in history. I do know, I'll tell you,
but I haven't put it out there yet, but it'll
come out soon that I'm going to do a compilation
book with all six presidents and interviews with consequential people
(08:40):
around America.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Ahead of the two hundred and fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So it's called the Case for America, making sort of
like a case for the country before a jury of
your peers, the readers, and so the Case for America
will come out in twenty six.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Do you see why I love you?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
All? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Look, this is the tugger of twenty twenty six. America
is going to turn two hundred and fifty. The left
does not want you reading the Declaration of Independence exploring
any of the intent of the Declaration of Independence. I
think the right is going to fight for that, and
then there just can't be enough emphasis on our intent
on nonfounding fathers on this document on our two hundred
(09:20):
and fiftieth birthday, and you're right there fighting the battle
for it.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, I mean, listen, I really think that it's important,
and I really think that in each one of these presidents,
each one was really striving to reach across the aisle.
They all have some element of common ground, and I
have that thing on my show, common Ground, and I
bring left and right together talking about what they're working
on as opposed to what they're fighting about.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And I headed the two fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I just don't think there's anything more important than realizing
that there is something bigger than all of us in
our party, in our ideology, that the country itself is
worth fighting for.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I said, you're my favorite. I trust you. I trust
you when my television's on. I don't trust many others.
I am not going to insult you, although listeners are
gonna probably want me to ask you a question because
of all the rumors that are flying. I'm just going
to leave it at wherever you go, I will go
with you, and I will trust you even if you
don't go.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So well, you're nice to phrase it that way. Yeah,
there's a lot of a lot of noise out there.
I'll just live it this way. I have a long
term contract, so there's it's all noise.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Really, Oh good, don't go anywhere. That's all I at.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Hey, listen, the books are terrific. But if you've never
Dad's out there, if you've never read Special Heart, the
journey of faith, hope, courage, and love, the personal story
of a father and a family and a son. And
it has a happy ending too, because life's all about
the journey, right the destination that that's where our character
(10:53):
is really formed. I loved your heart in that, and
I want everyone.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
To read that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It was It's a it's a pretty special It's just
a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I love your books. I love you most on Fox.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Thank you very much, really enjoyed this interview.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Brettbear the name of the book to Rescue the American Spirit,
Teddy Roosevelt, who sounds a lot like Donald Trump, and
the birth of a Superpower. You can get that anywhere
great books are sold. By the way, he makes constant
references to straw, a straw moment. I know you're probably
thinking of a big shake with a straw, and I
wondering what a straw moment like an American moment. No,
(11:28):
So to straw is like when you take the straw
and you just look through the straw at something. You're
not seeing the whole picture, what we're missing. That's how
you missed the forest from the trees, so to speak.
But I am so encouraged that he is going to
be doing something on the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
(11:49):
of our country and the document that started it all,
the Declaration of Independence. Brettbear with Fox News. If you
want to share that with somebody, I'll put it up
on social media. Also be on our podcast about Now
More in fifteen minutes from now.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
This is Your Morning Show with Michael del Tono
We're thrilled to have Brett Behar from Fox News joining
(00:02):
us earlier this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And Michael, your day isn't busy enough, is it?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
There you go, I'm out west right now, so it's
a little early.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Oh you're really sleepy.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well, you've done Ike, You've done Reagan, You've done Fdr.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Grant Washington, and now Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Why tech Well listen, it was he's a consequential figure
in history. He kind of jumps off the page. The
anecdotes are so rich, and you know he's he's obviously
on Mount Rushmore and is very significant. But each one
of these books I look kind of at a soda
straw moment that maybe history overlooked or wasn't covered at
(00:38):
the time that well, or didn't get talked about.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And one of.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The things with Teddy Roosevelt is that his legacy, he
wanted his legacy to be that he put America on
the map in the world, that he was a global leader,
that America was leaning forward in the world.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And he does that by reaching out to two.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Warring nations, Russia and Japan, fighting over a territorial dispute.
It's devolving into what could become a world war, and
he telegrams, writes letters to the leaders of those countries,
gets messages to them and says, I will host a peace.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Negotiation in the US.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And he brings the delegations from Russia and Japan to Portsmouth,
New Hampshire, and he sets up the logistics, and he
sets up all of the peace treaty negotiations, and he
shuttles back and forth. He becomes the guy the crucial
element to getting a peace deal between Russia and Japan.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
He does it, and he gets the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
So you do realize this kind of sounds like somebody.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Exactly, And this is so crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Every time I write one of these books, it seems
like it clicks into modern day one way or another.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know, it's funny, these journeys.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
My friend David Sanati just finished book on John Quincy Adams,
who was always one of my favorite presidents, the son
and maybe one of the most accomplished American servants ever.
And it's amazing these life lessons they're out there in
this and I can't imagine the amount of research you do.
But in all of this research, what surprised you the
most that you discovered that maybe none of us even noticed.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, well, first of all, he's a super complex guy.
He's not you know, all these people are humans, so
they have ups and downs, they have flaws, they have
great things.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
One of the things that surprised me is.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
How much he valued family, how much that he took
time out of every day to play with his kids,
even inside the White House. He at four o'clock, his
kids would come run into the office and say, Paul,
it's time, and he would say goodbye to whoever he
was with, and he would go run the halls of
(02:56):
the White House with roller skates and bicycles and there
were animals inside him. It's like a fun playhouse at times. Edith,
his wife at the time, said that he was the
seventh child. They had six kids, and so I was
surprised at how much he valued family, and that was
something that really came out through the research.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Ike Reagan, Fdr Grant Washington, Where's Teddy fitting and all
of this.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
You know, he's a different character, but definitely consequential and
makes the difference. You know, he gives this speech after
he leaves office in Paris, called the Citizenship in the
Republic speech, which eventually becomes the man in the Arena speech,
and it is basically, get in the game, be a doer,
(03:45):
do something.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Don't be the critic on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's you know, throwing grenades at the guy who's doing something.
Be the person who's down in the mud. And he
was one of those people. And if you look at
his life along the way, he's just got so many
different chapters of his life, but they add up to
something that's really consequential.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Hands down my favorite at Fox Brett Baer his new
book on Teddy Roosevelt. Research can only take it so far,
especially when we go this far back in time. Any
unresolved questions you have for Teddy, if you could ask him,
they could complete the book for you, what would it
have been.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, that's such a good question.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know, he was a troublemaker in each position that
he went into, and the establishment hated him, and he
was always stirring the pod and pushing the envelope.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Guess I would ask would he change anything about that?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
In some ways?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
To be more diplomatic, to get along, to be along
to you know somehow, you know, work through some of
that in each job he is sort of promoted out
of it because they're trying to get him out of there.
And in the ultimate is when he's New York governor
and the establishment says, this guy is too much.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We have to put him someplace where he doesn't do
any harm. And where do they put him? Vice President?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And you know, at the time, it was a very
ceremonial position, and McKinley's friends say to him.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Why are you putting this crazy man here? Whatever you do,
your number.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
One job is to not die in the next four
years so that he's not president. And six months later
an assassin takes McKinley out in Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So this disruptive force sounds very much like Trump. I
sense that Donald Trump is a big JFK guy. I
think he's probably a big Washington guy. Are you suspicious?
Maybe he knows a little bit more about Teddy Roosevelt
than he's let.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
On I think so. I do think. So there are similarities.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You know, Teddy Roosevelt is called a human cyclone. I've
been through day where I've ripped up my rundown of
my newscast six times because of the human cyclone of
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So we all have. Yeah, I think I think he
knows a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
He was a fan of McKinley, though he was you know,
he re established the Mount McKinley. He McKinley liked tariffs,
and you know, he points to McKinley, but he looks
at Teddy Roosevelt as a character and larger than life,
and that's what he is.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Right Bear.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
What a thrill it is to visit with you when
you study all these early presidents and you compare them,
not just to today's presidents, but today's America. It's almost
an obsession on the presidency and an over focus on
the presidency, and presidents love to stretch their powers. We're different,
the presidency is different. Are we worse?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, you know, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think that the founders believe that it was crucial
to have that balance.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The last book I wrote was to Rescue the Constitution
about George Way Washington and focused in the soda Straw
moment on the Constitutional Convention and how much George Washington
meant to that we as a country would not get
off the starting line without George Washington and what he
did inside that room.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But they really cared about the balance. I think the balance.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Has gotten, you know, arguably more focused on the presidency
and the executive. And one of the people who did
that was Teddy Roosevelt. In from George Washington to McKinley,
so President one through twenty five collectively all of them
signed twelve hundred executive orders. Teddy Roosevelt signed thirteen hundred
(07:42):
executive orders in his presidency.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now you talk about expanding the executive.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
A lot of that had to do with conservation and
protecting specific lands and national parks and forests and all
that he believed in, which really, to this day is
a huge, huge deal for America that we saved.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
All that land.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But still you talk about expanding the executive.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Teddy Roosevelt did that, bright.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Bear of Fox News, author of To Rescue the American Spirit,
Teddy Roosevelt and the Birth of a Superpower. All right, Well,
it's going to beg the question they should consume this
one and if they haven't read your Special heartbook, read that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
But what could be next?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure of the who I'm going to
dig in. I'm going to look for another soda straw moment.
That's overlooked in history. I do know, I'll tell you,
but I haven't put it out there yet, but it'll
come out soon that I'm going to do a compilation
book with all six presidents and interviews with consequential people
(08:40):
around America.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Ahead of the two hundred and fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So it's called the Case for America, making sort of
like a case for the country before a jury of
your peers, the readers, and so the Case for America
will come out in twenty six.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Do you see why I love you?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
All? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Look, this is the tugger of twenty twenty six. America
is going to turn two hundred and fifty. The left
does not want you reading the Declaration of Independence exploring
any of the intent of the Declaration of Independence. I
think the right is going to fight for that, and
then there just can't be enough emphasis on our intent
on nonfounding fathers on this document on our two hundred
(09:20):
and fiftieth birthday, and you're right there fighting the battle
for it.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, I mean, listen, I really think that it's important,
and I really think that in each one of these presidents,
each one was really striving to reach across the aisle.
They all have some element of common ground, and I
have that thing on my show, common Ground, and I
bring left and right together talking about what they're working
on as opposed to what they're fighting about.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And I headed the two fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I just don't think there's anything more important than realizing
that there is something bigger than all of us in
our party, in our ideology, that the country itself is
worth fighting for.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I said, you're my favorite. I trust you. I trust
you when my television's on. I don't trust many others.
I am not going to insult you, although listeners are
gonna probably want me to ask you a question because
of all the rumors that are flying. I'm just going
to leave it at wherever you go, I will go
with you, and I will trust you even if you
don't go.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So well, you're nice to phrase it that way. Yeah,
there's a lot of a lot of noise out there.
I'll just live it this way. I have a long
term contract, so there's it's all noise.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Really, Oh good, don't go anywhere. That's all I at.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Hey, listen, the books are terrific. But if you've never
Dad's out there, if you've never read Special Heart, the
journey of faith, hope, courage, and love, the personal story
of a father and a family and a son. And
it has a happy ending too, because life's all about
the journey, right the destination that that's where our character
(10:53):
is really formed. I loved your heart in that, and
I want everyone.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
To read that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It was It's a it's a pretty special It's just
a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I love your books. I love you most on Fox.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Thank you very much, really enjoyed this interview.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Brettbear the name of the book to Rescue the American Spirit,
Teddy Roosevelt, who sounds a lot like Donald Trump, and
the birth of a Superpower. You can get that anywhere
great books are sold. By the way, he makes constant
references to straw, a straw moment. I know you're probably
thinking of a big shake with a straw, and I
wondering what a straw moment like an American moment. No,
(11:28):
So to straw is like when you take the straw
and you just look through the straw at something. You're
not seeing the whole picture, what we're missing. That's how
you missed the forest from the trees, so to speak.
But I am so encouraged that he is going to
be doing something on the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
(11:49):
of our country and the document that started it all,
the Declaration of Independence. Brettbear with Fox News. If you
want to share that with somebody, I'll put it up
on social media. Also be on our podcast about Now
More in fifteen minutes from now.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!