June 15, 2025 • 28 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Ash Cash.
In the final installment of the Money Making Conversations Masterclass series MindRight Money Management, Rushion McDonald and Ash Cash explore Hip-Hoponomics, blending Hip-Hop culture with financial education. Ash explains how he uses the stories of Hip-Hop artists and his books to teach financial literacy in an engaging way. They discuss overcoming adversity, the mindset needed for wealth, and the idea that financial success isn’t tied to a specific look. The conversation also covers the importance of vetting business partners online in today’s digital age. Tune in for an inspiring session and show that you believe in G.O.D.—Greatness On Display!
Ash Exantus, also known as Ash Cash, is a distinguished financial educator, author of over 40 books, and founder of MindRight Money Management. He is recognized for his unique approach to financial literacy, blending it with elements of music, pop culture, and psychology. His initiatives like Hip-Hoponomics showcase his innovative methods in teaching financial literacy and entrepreneurship to youth, employing the cultural lens of hip-hop. Additionally, he leads the Abundance Community, focusing on financial spirituality and personal growth, and heads BookRich™, guiding individuals in leveraging personal experiences into multiple income streams.
Ash also hosts the influential business podcast, Inside the Vault with Ash Cash, renowned for its in-depth interviews with successful entrepreneurs and celebrities, contributing to over 7 million video views and 1.3 million audio downloads globally. His commitment to empowering individuals financially and personally has made him a sought-after speaker and a featured expert in top media outlets like CNN, The New York Times, and CNBC. Ash's work is dedicated to inspiring and equipping people to reach their full potential, making significant impacts across various communities. For more insights into his work, visit www.IamAshCash.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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author of Open forty books, and founder of mind Right
Money Management. He is recognized for his unique approach to
financial literacy, blending it with elements of music, pop culture,
and psychology. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass the
one and only Ash Cash.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
My brother, my brother. Goodness, good to be with you, man,
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm gonna tell you up front, I gotta tell you everybody.
One of my most popular and most requested guests that
comes on this show is Ash Cash in fact my podcast,
I was ever greening some old episodes. I finally went, remember,
just call this brother, bring it back on the show,
so we get some new content and find out what
he's doing in his life. So what are you up to,
(02:23):
ask cash and give us a little history about your journey.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yes, absolutely so so far man, I've been on the
same journey. Has been twenty years since I've been teaching
financial education. I have written a whole bunch of books,
you know, really trying to educate the community around how
to be physically responsible. But I started my career as
a banker, you know, nineteen years old. You know, started
(02:47):
my career as a banker, did everything in banking from
personal banker to a private banker, to branch manager to
seeover credit Union. Decided to leave the banking world in
the world, in the words of Jay Z, there there's
much bigger issues in the world, I know when I
first had to take care of the world, I know.
So I decided to become a financial educator and since
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then I've been writing books. Wrot wrote my first book
in two thousand and nine, Mind Right, Money Right, Tellos
of Financial Freedom. I've read over forty books now and
I am one of the fathers, I guess of what
I like to call hip hopponomics, where I mixed hip
hop and finance to teach people how to change their
mindset to manage their money better.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Now, when you say hip hop and finance, because a
lot of my audience a little bit older, may not
know that, and a lot of people who in the
hip hop community may not know that talk about that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, absolutely, So for me, what I realized, like the
like the older folks would say, you know, put the
medicine in the candy. And for me, when I started
to teach financial literacy, I was realizing that, you know,
I wanted to reach an audience of the hip hop
generation who I could use the examples of, like, let's
say fans. Since you know Jay Z when he wrote
(04:00):
the four forty four album you know, a lot of
people always focused on how you know he cheated on
beyond saying this was his his his apology album, if
you will. But twenty percent of that was only him
talking about you know about that. The other eighty percent
of the album he was talking about generational wealth. He
was talking about you know, home ownership, he was talking
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about you know, trust, and wills and things of that nature.
And so what I decided to do was was to
dissect you know, what he was saying in the album
and really just teach right because he told you what,
but he didn't teach you how, and soil as a
financial educator, I decided to do the how. And so
I did it again with you know, Nipsey Hustle when
he talks about vertical integration and I, you know, wrote
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a book called Hustonomics, and so really it's just a
concept of you know, taking stories of hip hop artists
and then really just teaching about financial principles that anybody
regardless of age, if you're young, if you're older. It's
just in a simplified form, but just taking this their
story and just kind of really like intertwining it with
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with hip hop and finance.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Wow, congratulations on that and seeing the vision. I'm talking
to Ash Cash. One of the outstanding minds of financial
education is a founder of mind Right Money Management, Charlemagne
the God. I read his book a couple of years ago.
He has a really good book. I'll tell people it's
one of the best entrepreneurial books. If you want to
(05:26):
read a book about small business. I'd be motivation, fact finding,
starting from the back to get to the front. Charlemagnea
God is a book that I would tell people to
least pick up and consider. And that's what you're doing
is so many because sometimes we just see these individuals
as talents but not realizing that they are entrepreneurs. Correct.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Ash absolutely like a prod example of it. You know,
my recent my most recent release is called The Ellmatic Investor,
And what I decided to do was drop this at
the thirtieth anniversary of Non this Ellmatic album. Well, if
you look on Google and look up Naz's net worth,
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it says about seventy million dollars. I personally believe that
he is a billionaire already. He's a quiet billionaire because
he started the Queensbridge Venture Funds and they've already had
two billion dollar exits. So ring they were you know,
early investors in like Uber and Lyft. So so they've
invested you know, a lot, a lot of a lot
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of money in some early startups. And so for me,
what I wanted to do was really teach about, you know,
how he became a billionaire quietly through investing, but also
teaching people how to invest right. A lot of people
from our community don't really understand that you cannot save
your way to wealth, right. I know, you know we
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were told that, you know, you got to work hard
and save your money. But the truth of the matter
is that, yes, saving is part of it. But if
you want to build true wealth you have, it starts
with ownership, and ownership only happens when you're ready to invest.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Cool. Speaking of Ashcash and the found up mind right
money management, how can we get that book and how
we can we access that book that you just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, so all of my books are available on Amazon
dot com. You can look up as Cash, but you
also go to my website which is ascashbooks dot com
and all of my books are available there.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
You know, when you look at different things, the big
word that always comes up to me, especially when you're
a minority, a person of color, is adversity. You know,
we always want to dream, we always want to hope.
You know, sometimes we have that lottery mentality. Just think
we do this one thing that's going to make us
rich overcoming those challenges of adversity. What advice do you
give Ash.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, I would automatically first say that we have to
realize that adversity is actually a part of success. Right.
So when a lot of times people think of adversity,
they think that there's something or someone or forces that
are stopping them from getting to the next level. But
the truth of the matter is that you know, you know,
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success is not a straight line. There's ups and downs,
and in order for you to be successful, to get
to that to that finished line of success, you have
to understand that you have to stick to it. Right. So,
whatever you decide to put your mind to and you
start to go after it, just know that there are
going to be storms, there are going to be detours,
there are going to be things that attempt to stop you.
(08:31):
But those things aren't there to stop you. They're they're
there to make you stronger. And when you get stronger
and you realize that you're going to just keep going
because your mission is there, that's how you get to success.
So I would tell anybody don't look at adversity as
a way that to deter you from your dreams. In fact,
the more adversity you have, the more you know that
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that you are closer to your dreams. And as long
as you keep going and going and going, you'll you'll
eventually get to that level of success.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Ash Cash He's been recognized for as a unique approach.
As you hear how he talks of financial literacy coming
from the banking industry starting when he was nineteen years
of age, blending the elements of music, pop culture, and psychology.
Do you feel like you're a man of your times
when you when I say those things, because social media
wasn't around twenty years ago, you know, pop culture wasn't
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what it is today thirty years ago. And when you're
talking about the psychology of being able to see the
money in crypto and all these things and bitcoins, all
this this this non non binding money. You can't go
into a certain places and eat with cash. They want
the plastic to work. How does your evolution under this
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brand make a difference for people who are still confused? Ash?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, you know definitely. When I when I started twenty
years ago, it was you know that there was it
was different different times, right And what I what I
realized though, is that the philosophy, right like truth never changes.
So regardless of the medium of exchange, whether it's bordering,
whether it's cash, whether it's crypto, whether it's you know,
(10:11):
NFTs and whether it's that's something that we don't even
see yet. The philosophy of wealth, the psychology of wealth,
the psychology of money, the way truth, the truth about
how you build wealth, which is literally just changing your
relationship with money, right, instead of working hard for money,
money needs to work hard for you. When you are uh,
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you know, realizing that you can't rely on your physical
labor in order to build wealth, that you have to like, yes,
if you don't come from money, you're gonna have to
work hard for the money. But once you start getting
the money in whatever form it is, you're gonna have
to now change that relationship with it and use that
to build income producing assets. I think that that that philosophy, uh,
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you know, stays to you know, uh, you know, forever
and and and that's why I believe that it starts
with the mind right. A lot of times when people
are thinking about how to manage money, they focus on
the practicality, like what is the hottest thing? Is it banks?
Is it crypto? Is it neo banks, is it you know,
social med whatever it is. But the truth is, if
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we get the psychology right first, if we understand the
mindset of wealth, and we operate in that mindset of wealth.
I don't care what it changes too. You will always
maintain a level of wealth and become financially free.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's really important. I'm speaking of the ash cash, you know,
as I'm being honest with I tell people all the
time on my show, I try to share them my
story a lot of times. Because a lot of people
see success, they google by name, a lot of information
of success pops up. But when I came out of
high school, my number one goal was to be a
a forklif driver. That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I was eighteen years old. Everybody told me I was excellent,
graduated in the top percentage of my class. But I
was mentored by some guys that fifteen and they were
unloading boxes, they were driving forklifts, and I said, man,
that's what I wanted to be. And guess what, when
I graduated from my high school, I got me a
job as a forklift driver. And when I hear you say, Rashan,
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I got a job in a bank and I was nineteen.
What guided you to that point that you saw finances?
You saw that avenue as a positive for your brand
or for your career or an outlet.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, honestly it was God man Like. I actually started
working at seventeen. So my you know, my sister got
me a job at Blockbuster Videos to those who remember
Blockbuster Videos. And while I was working at Blockbuster, I
think that was the beginning of opening my mind to
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the world of finance and management and you know, working
and just kind of wanted more for my life. And
so within a year and a half, I got promoted
to assistant manager and just kind of knew that it
wasn't really much where you know, I can go within
the you know, video world, you know, as an assistant manager.
The only other place I can go is become a
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store manager. And I really didn't want that. Uh but
but but I remember one day, you know, you know,
you know, shout out to Lashawn Miles, one of the
assistant managers working at Blockbusters. She came in and she
was working two jobs. She was working at Blockbuster and
she was working at the bank, and the bank was
doing an open house and she came in and she said, hey,
you know, they have this referral program. Is anybody interested
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in working at the bank. I thought about it. I said, man,
you know, there's nowhere else I can go here at
the video store, and so I just said, why not.
I took the chance. I said, let me, let me
take the opportunity to see, you know what what this
banking world is about. Got into the banking world as
a teller, and I absolutely fell in love. There was
just so much that I thought I knew about money
(13:54):
that I didn't that learned, and I decided to make
that my lifelong career.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Wow. When he comes back, I want to talk about
when I say him, I'm talking about Ashcash, about being
a teller and looking at the different type of people
who bring their money in and the different type of
people who bring their money in and know why they
putting their money in the bank. They are those people
very clear, and I want him to give some examples
of how he learned and how he was educated by
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transactions that he did with people putting their money in
the bank and taking their money out. Be right back
with more Money Making Conversation Masterclass. My guests, ash Cash.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
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(14:56):
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
Money Making Conversation master Classes and show I created for you.
I bring my guests on the show. This guest Today
is a financial educator, author, Robe forty books, founder of
mind Right Money Management. He is recognized for his unique
approach to financial literacy, blending it with elements of music,
pop culture, and psychology. As as we left for the
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break before, you are a teller. Being a teller, you know,
you get to immediately see what people are, bank accounts,
balances are. What did you learn about people being a teller?
You see, you really loved it, You really got in
that really really inspired you to the financial side and
made you the person you are today. Talk about those
early years and what did you gauge from people making
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deposits and making withdrawals from your bank.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Absolutely, I think the biggest lesson that I learned was
that money doesn't look like anything right because coming you know,
I'm you know, I'm a product of a single parent home.
I grew up in public house in New York and
for whatever reason is. Growing up in you know, you know,
low income, I thought money looked away, right. I thought
(16:08):
that if I look at you and I saw a
car you drive, or I saw what kind of clothes
you wear, or I saw how big your house was,
or whatever I like, I thought things equated to financial
literacy or or or proper money management. But the biggest
thing I learned was that money doesn't look like anything. Right.
There was the person who looked like they had money,
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who were always overdrawn, right, the person who did not
look like they had regularly clothes on, and they did
not look like they had money, but they had millions
of dollars in their account. There was people who looked
like they had money and actually had money. And so
I think that it showed me that that money wasn't
something that you can look at and see. The bank
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account tells a story. It tells the stories about priority,
It tells a story about what people value, and and
really that everybody has choices, right is that you know
you can you can choose for delayed gratification, or you
can choose a life of luxury. You know, all of
it is deeper than just a bank account. It's about
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you know, what you decide to do with your life,
what you decide to do with your money, what you
decide to do with with with you know, with the
knowledge that you're that you're learning, but it's also about
you know, you know, following a methodology that actually works
for you. Right that there isn't just one way to
build wealth. There's several ways to build wealth. And so
it's important that you identify, you know, what is that
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way that you want to build wealth, whether it's working
on the five, whether it's h you know, being an entrepreneur,
whether it's you know, investing in in stocks or or businesses.
There's so many different avenues. Choose that avenue, rest rights
to you and stick with it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know, your barrier breaker ash cash. And that's what
I always appreciate about you because I know when I
first got into the financial set down with you know,
Morgan Stanley type or marilynch type broker. You know, it
was a white guy. This white guy, I'm pretty sure
he knew nothing about me. And I'm saying anything negative.
He just knew nothing about it. He wasn't even for
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my community. He didn't understand my background. All he knew
is that I had money and he was gonna figure
out ways to be able to invest that. You know,
he give you those titles conservative, aggressive, or you want
to be a moderate. That's the options they give you. You know.
Aggressive means that you know you have a short window,
you try to make as much money as possible. Conservative
means that you know you're in there for the long haul.
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You're gonna do a lot of a lot of safe stock,
a lot of safe bonds and things like that. And
moderate you kind of like in between. When you're a
barrier breaker. I commend you because you also have to
convince people who look like you that you can do
the job too.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Correct Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. You know you know what one
of the things that I that I had to deal
with actually because I saw that I was a banker
at nineteen years old. You know, I was relatively young, right,
So I became a VP at the bank at twenty
four years old, helping to manage money for you know,
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wealthy individuals. I was a CEO a credit union at
thirty one years old, and so a lot of people
would look at me and say, man, it's a young guy,
Like what didn't you know about money? And to your point.
You know, you know, the pictures that that that are
painted around those who are able to manage money don't
necessarily look like me and so and so. Yes, it
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was a it was an uphill battle, uh, you know,
trying to convince or not just even convinced, but just
show uh, you know, you know, people that look like
me that I was just as equipped and just as
uh you know, you know, you know, knowledgeable, as as
as those that traditionally are those who are on Wall Street.
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But I think that you know, you know, you know,
thank God for you know me, you know, you know,
longevity and me being in the game for a very
long time. You know, thank God for social media and
the ability for people to look someone up now, right,
because before you know, you walk into a mortgage, Daly
or any other type of financial institution. It was the
financial institution that mattered, and people would just say, hey,
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this person works for this institution, so they got to
know what they're talking about. Now we have a you know,
a way to be able to look up and say, hey,
let me look at this guy's LinkedIn, where has he worked,
how much dollars does he have? Let me see, let
me check him out on Google, let me check out
on social media. Now, when you're dealing with a person,
you get to really investigate before you make these these
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these choices. You get to really investigate who they they
really are and what knowledge they really have. And that's
been a blessing, you know, for me and especially for
everybody out there who who you know, in the day
and age where people always are trying to get over,
you know, for those who have been in the game,
who have receipts right, who have been really you know,
doing the work, it's a blessing now that you can
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you can really vet out, you know, who you're working with.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I want to make sure your your phone's kind
of going in and out a little bit there. Ask
so you know, just stay stay in the stay in
and stay in a certain zone now because I don't
want to lose you. Because we getting into valuable information
about stereotypes. Because if somebody, if if you told somebody
you want to be a basketball player or an athlete,
they say, Okay, I got you, I got just the
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possibility or entertainment because you're a person of color. I
got you, I got you. They might ask you can
you can you can you play sports? They might ask you,
can you sing? They might ask you can you act?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
When you get into the financial world and your person
of color, they might not even ask you. They just
assume that's not a path that is normal and that
you should consider. They might ask you, do you have
an easier way to go than that? How you gonna
They might ask you something like how you gonna make money?
How you because they don't see that, you know, the
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average person in our community understands what a person does physically.
When I say physically, I mean what a mechanic does,
what a what a what a cook does?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What a person?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Who a postman does? What a laborer does? We get that.
We get that is when you get into this new world,
the new generation that you've become, where as cast you
have developed, develop a dominant voice. It is so important
that people realize now that they can be you as
a mentor. How do you help people and young people
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get through those barriers that are pumping up against them
and sometimes turning them away?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
No, one thousand percent. And I think, like, that's exactly
why I do what I do because I remember coming
up the only mentors are the only people I saw
were athletes, and drug dealers to be honest with you, right, athletes,
entertainers and drug dealers. And so for me, you know,
you know, I have to saying that that we're all
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made in the image and likeness of God, and so
our goal in life is to be G O. D.
But that but that doesn't mean God. It means greatness
on display. Right, you have you have to your greatness
because once people are able to see you right, then
they have something else to aspire to. And so for me,
I think that it's it's been important. Like even in
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my mentorship, you know, I do a lot of work
with with high schools, with colleges and even a lot
of adults that I've that I'm mentored. It's really just
sharing my story, which is why I write so many books.
It's really sharing my story letting them know that I
am you.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
There is no difference between you know you and I.
You know you know we We we are the same,
We have similar backgrounds. I just decided to make different
choices and I just teach people based on my story
and what I've been able to do that. It's really
all about mindset. If you change your mind, right, if
you change your mind and you put your mind to it,
you can be, do and have anything. There is no
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limits whatsoever. You know, as somebody who you know, I'm
the I'm the first person that ever generated multi million dollars,
you know, as an entrepreneur in my family, right, so
from a you know, first person to graduate, first person
to generate a lot of money. So a lot of
these things that I am the first to do. It's
not it's not just so I can have a trophy
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and say hey, I did this, and and and and
I you know, I just sit back. No, I need
to to spread that word. I need people to understand this.
I need people to know that it is possible for
them in order for for for me not to be
the last. Right, I'm the first, but not the last.
And that's why it's important that you know people like
you right like you, like you've been a mentor for
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me for before I even met you. You were a
mentor for me. I know your story, you know, I
know where you come from, and and that was inspiration
for me to understand, Man, this guy is behind the
scenes doing these multi million dollar deals like it encouraged
me to kind of, you know, get to the next level.
Of business and and and understand what I could do
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as an entrepreneur. And so that's how we pay it forward.
We we take our greatness and we don't hide it.
We have to take that greatness. We have to put
it on display so that goals will come behind us
to continue to elevate and be just as good or
even better than we are.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wows as we close out the show Man and you
know you mentioned that are hip hipponomics. Tell us about
leveraging that, tell us about that being such a major
key part of your brand, and also how we can
get in touch with you. The floor is yours.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, so hip Hoponomics for me, when I think about
the school of prison pipeline, when I think about all
of the crime and and the things that are happening
in our community, I think it's it's it's for me,
you know, you know, you know something that I, oh,
I owe back to the community. And so my goal
is to really just uh you know, you know, you know,
(25:43):
you know, help close that wealth gap through hip hoponomics.
And so it's been an initiative that I've been really
passionate about, you know, not only with the books, but
we also have a curriculum where we go into you know,
high schools and colleges and teach all different facets of
not just not just finance, but also business, business ethics,
(26:06):
business communications, you know, financial literacy, credit, real estate, like
everything you need to know from an economical standpoint, just
so that you know, again, you know, reaching you, you know,
reaching this the young people at a level that they
can understand. We started this program. We've been you know,
you know, very successful with with partnerships with schools, with colleges,
(26:30):
and we just look to you know, we look forward
to expanding the program you know, all around the country
and even worldwide, to be honest, because hip hop is
is not only a culture that's here in America, but
it's a culture that you know, people people understand worldwide.
And so I'm excited about hip Hoponomics and where it's going.
We're actually starting a podcast pretty soon called hip Hoponomics,
(26:53):
where we'll be you know, having more you know, daily
conversations around it. But if anybody wants to connect thinking
you know, see all of my work, they can go
to my website it's ironashcash dot com, or they can
follow me on all social media platforms at I am
ass Cash.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Wow, You're always brilliant man, and like again, like again again,
I have to tell you I appreciate you taking the time,
you know, anytime you got something you want to talk
about because your education, your angle, your approach is so
fresh and so energized and so authentic. Thank you Ashcash
for coming on my show, money Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Thank you brother, appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
We talked soon. Bye bye. This has been another edition
of Money Making Conversation Masterclass posted by me Rashaun McDonald.
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author of Open forty books, and founder of mind Right
Money Management. He is recognized for his unique approach to
financial literacy, blending it with elements of music, pop culture,
and psychology. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass the
one and only Ash Cash.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
My brother, my brother. Goodness, good to be with you, man,
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm gonna tell you up front, I gotta tell you everybody.
One of my most popular and most requested guests that
comes on this show is Ash Cash in fact my podcast,
I was ever greening some old episodes. I finally went, remember,
just call this brother, bring it back on the show,
so we get some new content and find out what
he's doing in his life. So what are you up to,
(02:23):
ask cash and give us a little history about your journey.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yes, absolutely so so far man, I've been on the
same journey. Has been twenty years since I've been teaching
financial education. I have written a whole bunch of books,
you know, really trying to educate the community around how
to be physically responsible. But I started my career as
a banker, you know, nineteen years old. You know, started
(02:47):
my career as a banker, did everything in banking from
personal banker to a private banker, to branch manager to
seeover credit Union. Decided to leave the banking world in
the world, in the words of Jay Z, there there's
much bigger issues in the world, I know when I
first had to take care of the world, I know.
So I decided to become a financial educator and since
(03:08):
then I've been writing books. Wrot wrote my first book
in two thousand and nine, Mind Right, Money Right, Tellos
of Financial Freedom. I've read over forty books now and
I am one of the fathers, I guess of what
I like to call hip hopponomics, where I mixed hip
hop and finance to teach people how to change their
mindset to manage their money better.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Now, when you say hip hop and finance, because a
lot of my audience a little bit older, may not
know that, and a lot of people who in the
hip hop community may not know that talk about that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, absolutely, So for me, what I realized, like the
like the older folks would say, you know, put the
medicine in the candy. And for me, when I started
to teach financial literacy, I was realizing that, you know,
I wanted to reach an audience of the hip hop
generation who I could use the examples of, like, let's
say fans. Since you know Jay Z when he wrote
(04:00):
the four forty four album you know, a lot of
people always focused on how you know he cheated on
beyond saying this was his his his apology album, if
you will. But twenty percent of that was only him
talking about you know about that. The other eighty percent
of the album he was talking about generational wealth. He
was talking about you know, home ownership, he was talking
(04:22):
about you know, trust, and wills and things of that nature.
And so what I decided to do was was to
dissect you know, what he was saying in the album
and really just teach right because he told you what,
but he didn't teach you how, and soil as a
financial educator, I decided to do the how. And so
I did it again with you know, Nipsey Hustle when
he talks about vertical integration and I, you know, wrote
(04:43):
a book called Hustonomics, and so really it's just a
concept of you know, taking stories of hip hop artists
and then really just teaching about financial principles that anybody
regardless of age, if you're young, if you're older. It's
just in a simplified form, but just taking this their
story and just kind of really like intertwining it with
(05:04):
with hip hop and finance.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Wow, congratulations on that and seeing the vision. I'm talking
to Ash Cash. One of the outstanding minds of financial
education is a founder of mind Right Money Management, Charlemagne
the God. I read his book a couple of years ago.
He has a really good book. I'll tell people it's
one of the best entrepreneurial books. If you want to
(05:26):
read a book about small business. I'd be motivation, fact finding,
starting from the back to get to the front. Charlemagnea
God is a book that I would tell people to
least pick up and consider. And that's what you're doing
is so many because sometimes we just see these individuals
as talents but not realizing that they are entrepreneurs. Correct.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Ash absolutely like a prod example of it. You know,
my recent my most recent release is called The Ellmatic Investor,
And what I decided to do was drop this at
the thirtieth anniversary of Non this Ellmatic album. Well, if
you look on Google and look up Naz's net worth,
(06:06):
it says about seventy million dollars. I personally believe that
he is a billionaire already. He's a quiet billionaire because
he started the Queensbridge Venture Funds and they've already had
two billion dollar exits. So ring they were you know,
early investors in like Uber and Lyft. So so they've
invested you know, a lot, a lot of a lot
(06:29):
of money in some early startups. And so for me,
what I wanted to do was really teach about, you know,
how he became a billionaire quietly through investing, but also
teaching people how to invest right. A lot of people
from our community don't really understand that you cannot save
your way to wealth, right. I know, you know we
(06:50):
were told that, you know, you got to work hard
and save your money. But the truth of the matter
is that, yes, saving is part of it. But if
you want to build true wealth you have, it starts
with ownership, and ownership only happens when you're ready to invest.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Cool. Speaking of Ashcash and the found up mind right
money management, how can we get that book and how
we can we access that book that you just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, so all of my books are available on Amazon
dot com. You can look up as Cash, but you
also go to my website which is ascashbooks dot com
and all of my books are available there.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
You know, when you look at different things, the big
word that always comes up to me, especially when you're
a minority, a person of color, is adversity. You know,
we always want to dream, we always want to hope.
You know, sometimes we have that lottery mentality. Just think
we do this one thing that's going to make us
rich overcoming those challenges of adversity. What advice do you
give Ash.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, I would automatically first say that we have to
realize that adversity is actually a part of success. Right.
So when a lot of times people think of adversity,
they think that there's something or someone or forces that
are stopping them from getting to the next level. But
the truth of the matter is that you know, you know,
(08:08):
success is not a straight line. There's ups and downs,
and in order for you to be successful, to get
to that to that finished line of success, you have
to understand that you have to stick to it. Right. So,
whatever you decide to put your mind to and you
start to go after it, just know that there are
going to be storms, there are going to be detours,
there are going to be things that attempt to stop you.
(08:31):
But those things aren't there to stop you. They're they're
there to make you stronger. And when you get stronger
and you realize that you're going to just keep going
because your mission is there, that's how you get to success.
So I would tell anybody don't look at adversity as
a way that to deter you from your dreams. In fact,
the more adversity you have, the more you know that
(08:53):
that you are closer to your dreams. And as long
as you keep going and going and going, you'll you'll
eventually get to that level of success.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Ash Cash He's been recognized for as a unique approach.
As you hear how he talks of financial literacy coming
from the banking industry starting when he was nineteen years
of age, blending the elements of music, pop culture, and psychology.
Do you feel like you're a man of your times
when you when I say those things, because social media
wasn't around twenty years ago, you know, pop culture wasn't
(09:21):
what it is today thirty years ago. And when you're
talking about the psychology of being able to see the
money in crypto and all these things and bitcoins, all
this this this non non binding money. You can't go
into a certain places and eat with cash. They want
the plastic to work. How does your evolution under this
(09:43):
brand make a difference for people who are still confused? Ash?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, you know definitely. When I when I started twenty
years ago, it was you know that there was it
was different different times, right And what I what I
realized though, is that the philosophy, right like truth never changes.
So regardless of the medium of exchange, whether it's bordering,
whether it's cash, whether it's crypto, whether it's you know,
(10:11):
NFTs and whether it's that's something that we don't even
see yet. The philosophy of wealth, the psychology of wealth,
the psychology of money, the way truth, the truth about
how you build wealth, which is literally just changing your
relationship with money, right, instead of working hard for money,
money needs to work hard for you. When you are uh,
(10:33):
you know, realizing that you can't rely on your physical
labor in order to build wealth, that you have to like, yes,
if you don't come from money, you're gonna have to
work hard for the money. But once you start getting
the money in whatever form it is, you're gonna have
to now change that relationship with it and use that
to build income producing assets. I think that that that philosophy, uh,
(10:55):
you know, stays to you know, uh, you know, forever
and and and that's why I believe that it starts
with the mind right. A lot of times when people
are thinking about how to manage money, they focus on
the practicality, like what is the hottest thing? Is it banks?
Is it crypto? Is it neo banks, is it you know,
social med whatever it is. But the truth is, if
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we get the psychology right first, if we understand the
mindset of wealth, and we operate in that mindset of wealth.
I don't care what it changes too. You will always
maintain a level of wealth and become financially free.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's really important. I'm speaking of the ash cash, you know,
as I'm being honest with I tell people all the
time on my show, I try to share them my
story a lot of times. Because a lot of people
see success, they google by name, a lot of information
of success pops up. But when I came out of
high school, my number one goal was to be a
a forklif driver. That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Believe me.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I was eighteen years old. Everybody told me I was excellent,
graduated in the top percentage of my class. But I
was mentored by some guys that fifteen and they were
unloading boxes, they were driving forklifts, and I said, man,
that's what I wanted to be. And guess what, when
I graduated from my high school, I got me a
job as a forklift driver. And when I hear you say, Rashan,
(12:14):
I got a job in a bank and I was nineteen.
What guided you to that point that you saw finances?
You saw that avenue as a positive for your brand
or for your career or an outlet.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, honestly it was God man Like. I actually started
working at seventeen. So my you know, my sister got
me a job at Blockbuster Videos to those who remember
Blockbuster Videos. And while I was working at Blockbuster, I
think that was the beginning of opening my mind to
(12:50):
the world of finance and management and you know, working
and just kind of wanted more for my life. And
so within a year and a half, I got promoted
to assistant manager and just kind of knew that it
wasn't really much where you know, I can go within
the you know, video world, you know, as an assistant manager.
The only other place I can go is become a
(13:10):
store manager. And I really didn't want that. Uh but
but but I remember one day, you know, you know,
you know, shout out to Lashawn Miles, one of the
assistant managers working at Blockbusters. She came in and she
was working two jobs. She was working at Blockbuster and
she was working at the bank, and the bank was
doing an open house and she came in and she said, hey,
you know, they have this referral program. Is anybody interested
(13:33):
in working at the bank. I thought about it. I said, man,
you know, there's nowhere else I can go here at
the video store, and so I just said, why not.
I took the chance. I said, let me, let me
take the opportunity to see, you know what what this
banking world is about. Got into the banking world as
a teller, and I absolutely fell in love. There was
just so much that I thought I knew about money
(13:54):
that I didn't that learned, and I decided to make
that my lifelong career.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Wow. When he comes back, I want to talk about
when I say him, I'm talking about Ashcash, about being
a teller and looking at the different type of people
who bring their money in and the different type of
people who bring their money in and know why they
putting their money in the bank. They are those people
very clear, and I want him to give some examples
of how he learned and how he was educated by
(14:22):
transactions that he did with people putting their money in
the bank and taking their money out. Be right back
with more Money Making Conversation Masterclass. My guests, ash Cash.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
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(14:56):
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
Money Making Conversation master Classes and show I created for you.
I bring my guests on the show. This guest Today
is a financial educator, author, Robe forty books, founder of
mind Right Money Management. He is recognized for his unique
approach to financial literacy, blending it with elements of music,
pop culture, and psychology. As as we left for the
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break before, you are a teller. Being a teller, you know,
you get to immediately see what people are, bank accounts,
balances are. What did you learn about people being a teller?
You see, you really loved it, You really got in
that really really inspired you to the financial side and
made you the person you are today. Talk about those
early years and what did you gauge from people making
(15:43):
deposits and making withdrawals from your bank.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Absolutely, I think the biggest lesson that I learned was
that money doesn't look like anything right because coming you know,
I'm you know, I'm a product of a single parent home.
I grew up in public house in New York and
for whatever reason is. Growing up in you know, you know,
low income, I thought money looked away, right. I thought
(16:08):
that if I look at you and I saw a
car you drive, or I saw what kind of clothes
you wear, or I saw how big your house was,
or whatever I like, I thought things equated to financial
literacy or or or proper money management. But the biggest
thing I learned was that money doesn't look like anything. Right.
There was the person who looked like they had money,
(16:30):
who were always overdrawn, right, the person who did not
look like they had regularly clothes on, and they did
not look like they had money, but they had millions
of dollars in their account. There was people who looked
like they had money and actually had money. And so
I think that it showed me that that money wasn't
something that you can look at and see. The bank
(16:51):
account tells a story. It tells the stories about priority,
It tells a story about what people value, and and
really that everybody has choices, right is that you know
you can you can choose for delayed gratification, or you
can choose a life of luxury. You know, all of
it is deeper than just a bank account. It's about
(17:12):
you know, what you decide to do with your life,
what you decide to do with your money, what you
decide to do with with with you know, with the
knowledge that you're that you're learning, but it's also about
you know, you know, following a methodology that actually works
for you. Right that there isn't just one way to
build wealth. There's several ways to build wealth. And so
it's important that you identify, you know, what is that
(17:34):
way that you want to build wealth, whether it's working
on the five, whether it's h you know, being an entrepreneur,
whether it's you know, investing in in stocks or or businesses.
There's so many different avenues. Choose that avenue, rest rights
to you and stick with it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know, your barrier breaker ash cash. And that's what
I always appreciate about you because I know when I
first got into the financial set down with you know,
Morgan Stanley type or marilynch type broker. You know, it
was a white guy. This white guy, I'm pretty sure
he knew nothing about me. And I'm saying anything negative.
He just knew nothing about it. He wasn't even for
(18:11):
my community. He didn't understand my background. All he knew
is that I had money and he was gonna figure
out ways to be able to invest that. You know,
he give you those titles conservative, aggressive, or you want
to be a moderate. That's the options they give you. You know.
Aggressive means that you know you have a short window,
you try to make as much money as possible. Conservative
means that you know you're in there for the long haul.
(18:32):
You're gonna do a lot of a lot of safe stock,
a lot of safe bonds and things like that. And
moderate you kind of like in between. When you're a
barrier breaker. I commend you because you also have to
convince people who look like you that you can do
the job too.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Correct Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. You know you know what one
of the things that I that I had to deal
with actually because I saw that I was a banker
at nineteen years old. You know, I was relatively young, right,
So I became a VP at the bank at twenty
four years old, helping to manage money for you know,
(19:08):
wealthy individuals. I was a CEO a credit union at
thirty one years old, and so a lot of people
would look at me and say, man, it's a young guy,
Like what didn't you know about money? And to your point.
You know, you know, the pictures that that that are
painted around those who are able to manage money don't
necessarily look like me and so and so. Yes, it
(19:29):
was a it was an uphill battle, uh, you know,
trying to convince or not just even convinced, but just
show uh, you know, you know, people that look like
me that I was just as equipped and just as
uh you know, you know, you know, knowledgeable, as as
as those that traditionally are those who are on Wall Street.
(19:52):
But I think that you know, you know, you know,
thank God for you know me, you know, you know,
longevity and me being in the game for a very
long time. You know, thank God for social media and
the ability for people to look someone up now, right,
because before you know, you walk into a mortgage, Daly
or any other type of financial institution. It was the
financial institution that mattered, and people would just say, hey,
(20:14):
this person works for this institution, so they got to
know what they're talking about. Now we have a you know,
a way to be able to look up and say, hey,
let me look at this guy's LinkedIn, where has he worked,
how much dollars does he have? Let me see, let
me check him out on Google, let me check out
on social media. Now, when you're dealing with a person,
you get to really investigate before you make these these
(20:34):
these choices. You get to really investigate who they they
really are and what knowledge they really have. And that's
been a blessing, you know, for me and especially for
everybody out there who who you know, in the day
and age where people always are trying to get over,
you know, for those who have been in the game,
who have receipts right, who have been really you know,
doing the work, it's a blessing now that you can
(20:57):
you can really vet out, you know, who you're working with.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I want to make sure your your phone's kind
of going in and out a little bit there. Ask
so you know, just stay stay in the stay in
and stay in a certain zone now because I don't
want to lose you. Because we getting into valuable information
about stereotypes. Because if somebody, if if you told somebody
you want to be a basketball player or an athlete,
they say, Okay, I got you, I got just the
(21:20):
possibility or entertainment because you're a person of color. I
got you, I got you. They might ask you can
you can you can you play sports? They might ask you,
can you sing? They might ask you can you act?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
When you get into the financial world and your person
of color, they might not even ask you. They just
assume that's not a path that is normal and that
you should consider. They might ask you, do you have
an easier way to go than that? How you gonna
They might ask you something like how you gonna make money?
How you because they don't see that, you know, the
(21:52):
average person in our community understands what a person does physically.
When I say physically, I mean what a mechanic does,
what a what a what a cook does?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What a person?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Who a postman does? What a laborer does? We get that.
We get that is when you get into this new world,
the new generation that you've become, where as cast you
have developed, develop a dominant voice. It is so important
that people realize now that they can be you as
a mentor. How do you help people and young people
(22:23):
get through those barriers that are pumping up against them
and sometimes turning them away?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
No, one thousand percent. And I think, like, that's exactly
why I do what I do because I remember coming
up the only mentors are the only people I saw
were athletes, and drug dealers to be honest with you, right, athletes,
entertainers and drug dealers. And so for me, you know,
you know, I have to saying that that we're all
(22:50):
made in the image and likeness of God, and so
our goal in life is to be G O. D.
But that but that doesn't mean God. It means greatness
on display. Right, you have you have to your greatness
because once people are able to see you right, then
they have something else to aspire to. And so for me,
I think that it's it's been important. Like even in
(23:10):
my mentorship, you know, I do a lot of work
with with high schools, with colleges and even a lot
of adults that I've that I'm mentored. It's really just
sharing my story, which is why I write so many books.
It's really sharing my story letting them know that I
am you.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
There is no difference between you know you and I.
You know you know we We we are the same,
We have similar backgrounds. I just decided to make different
choices and I just teach people based on my story
and what I've been able to do that. It's really
all about mindset. If you change your mind, right, if
you change your mind and you put your mind to it,
you can be, do and have anything. There is no
(23:48):
limits whatsoever. You know, as somebody who you know, I'm
the I'm the first person that ever generated multi million dollars,
you know, as an entrepreneur in my family, right, so
from a you know, first person to graduate, first person
to generate a lot of money. So a lot of
these things that I am the first to do. It's
not it's not just so I can have a trophy
(24:09):
and say hey, I did this, and and and and
I you know, I just sit back. No, I need
to to spread that word. I need people to understand this.
I need people to know that it is possible for
them in order for for for me not to be
the last. Right, I'm the first, but not the last.
And that's why it's important that you know people like
you right like you, like you've been a mentor for
(24:31):
me for before I even met you. You were a
mentor for me. I know your story, you know, I
know where you come from, and and that was inspiration
for me to understand, Man, this guy is behind the
scenes doing these multi million dollar deals like it encouraged
me to kind of, you know, get to the next level.
Of business and and and understand what I could do
(24:51):
as an entrepreneur. And so that's how we pay it forward.
We we take our greatness and we don't hide it.
We have to take that greatness. We have to put
it on display so that goals will come behind us
to continue to elevate and be just as good or
even better than we are.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wows as we close out the show Man and you
know you mentioned that are hip hipponomics. Tell us about
leveraging that, tell us about that being such a major
key part of your brand, and also how we can
get in touch with you. The floor is yours.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, so hip Hoponomics for me, when I think about
the school of prison pipeline, when I think about all
of the crime and and the things that are happening
in our community, I think it's it's it's for me,
you know, you know, you know something that I, oh,
I owe back to the community. And so my goal
is to really just uh you know, you know, you know,
(25:43):
you know, help close that wealth gap through hip hoponomics.
And so it's been an initiative that I've been really
passionate about, you know, not only with the books, but
we also have a curriculum where we go into you know,
high schools and colleges and teach all different facets of
not just not just finance, but also business, business ethics,
(26:06):
business communications, you know, financial literacy, credit, real estate, like
everything you need to know from an economical standpoint, just
so that you know, again, you know, reaching you, you know,
reaching this the young people at a level that they
can understand. We started this program. We've been you know,
you know, very successful with with partnerships with schools, with colleges,
(26:30):
and we just look to you know, we look forward
to expanding the program you know, all around the country
and even worldwide, to be honest, because hip hop is
is not only a culture that's here in America, but
it's a culture that you know, people people understand worldwide.
And so I'm excited about hip Hoponomics and where it's going.
We're actually starting a podcast pretty soon called hip Hoponomics,
(26:53):
where we'll be you know, having more you know, daily
conversations around it. But if anybody wants to connect thinking
you know, see all of my work, they can go
to my website it's ironashcash dot com, or they can
follow me on all social media platforms at I am
ass Cash.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Wow, You're always brilliant man, and like again, like again again,
I have to tell you I appreciate you taking the time,
you know, anytime you got something you want to talk
about because your education, your angle, your approach is so
fresh and so energized and so authentic. Thank you Ashcash
for coming on my show, money Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Thank you brother, appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
We talked soon. Bye bye. This has been another edition
of Money Making Conversation Masterclass posted by me Rashaun McDonald.
Thank you to our guests on the show today and
thank you our listening to audience now. If you want
to listen to any episode I want to be a
guest on the show, visit Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social
media handle is money Making Conversation. Join us next week
(27:52):
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