March 13, 2025 • 43 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon to react to all of the news from around the NFL on day four of free agency. The guys break down Mason Rudolph heading back to the Steelers (01:40), Mac Jones signing with the 49ers (06:30), what Brandon Allen signing with the Titans means for the team (08:25), an update on Cooper Kupp (10:44) and Trey Hendrickson (12:29), and more! Plus, some of the quotes that stood out from players in new places including Sam Darnold (25:11), Kenny Pickett (27:15), Joey Bosa (29:15), and Davante Adams (30:39) and why want to see more from teams like the Packers, Browns, and Falcons this offseason (34:04).
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we just asked Siri, what
phase of free agency is it when we're leading the
show with Mason Rudolph. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in
the Chris Westling podcast studio with my friend Patrick Clayban.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's it's the it's the phase where Aaron Rodgers' ears
start to perk up.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's like, Okay, now it's my time. There's too much
attention going to other people.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
But when Mason Rudolph is leading the show, yeah, Aaron's like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Maybe it's Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That's not a great tease for this show. But and
yet this show is gonna be fantastic because we're gonna
hit there's a decent amount of news. I just find
like that Steelers quarterback situation interesting, so I decided hilarious. Yeah,
hilarious would be another. Depressing would be another way to
describe it, Embarrassing, a lot of a lot of different
ways you could describe it. So we're gonna hit the news.
(00:51):
There's definitely less of it here, and we're gonna listen
to some sound of some players in new places, and
then we're gonna get you out of here by telling
some teams. We want a little more from them. They've
just been a little too quiet. That feel like some
holes are out there.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's almost the converse of because you debuted, you better
be right on Insiders this week, where we chatted decisions.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That you better be right about you better be right,
better be right about Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, you better do something. Yes, what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
We don't even have something to say. You better be
right to these teams. They haven't done anything. Do something.
At least the Seahawks are. They were bold, Yeah, like
you can. I don't remember who else I said they
better be right. The Cowboys for just kind of not
really doing a lot. They would fit in this segment
as well. But let's start the news with Mason rudelf.
(01:43):
I just I just think it's funny we're at the
backup quarterback situation and he signed on Thursday for two years,
eight million dollars. He played pretty well whenever he got
the chance for the Steelers over a long stretch of
being their second and third receiver, I mean third quarterback,
and his carved out himself a nice little career. Was
definitely better than Will Levison Tennessee. For what it's worth
(02:04):
last year, although didn't look as good the longer that
he played, which happens with Mason Rudolf. But the reason
I'm leading is just like, what does this mean, Patrick?
Does this mean there's less of a chance center of
Aaron Rodgers? Is Russell Wilson potentially competing with Mason Rudolph.
What are the chances of Mason Rudolph week one? Starter?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I would have to.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Think that maybe russ coming back would supersede Mason Rudolph
week one. I think Mason Rudolph is a signing that
you can do either way. Yeah, But the ultimate thing
it's a sign of is how being in the Aaron
Rodgers game can set your season development back purely because
you're having to wait and make decisions with this big
unknown that and you don't know what he's gonna want
(02:47):
to do once he decides to sign, right, So if
you're in that game, you put yourself in this situation
where like, yeah, you got to sign Mason Rudolph for
an X amount of money, which I guess we get
the backup quarterback value, Like so Daniel Jones is worth
Rudolph plus Johnny Hecker or something like that. That's how
you get into the backup quarterback range. But yeah, it's
(03:07):
it's makes some Rudolph on February, I mean on March thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it's it's not a big deal. And yet while
they wait for Rogers, it just it just strikes me
how did they get into this position? And I do
think there is absolutely fair criticism that Mike Tomlin and
their GM now Omar Khan and going back to their
last GM Kevin Colbert, don't know how to build an
(03:31):
offense that's consistently productive enough. It's just I mean, you
have a Hall of Fame quarterback, you do, and this
is true of a lot of franchises. But they just
haven't had a clear idea for them to be sitting
here just waiting for Rogers to throw up the bat signal.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, eventually it would happen on accident, right like we
have tho we had the hot Joe Flacco stretch in Cleveland. Sure,
Like what period of Steelers offense these past four years?
Have we really seen an offensive explosion?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You can.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You can go all the way back to twenty nineteen.
I would say when it was sort of the end
of Big Ben, when Mason Rudolph actually played quite a
bit for them. Kevin Stefanski, I think, does know how
to build an offense. Actually, I don't know if the
entire organization does. They they've brought in the wrong personnel,
not just that quarterback, but like, if you put Kevin
(04:21):
Stefanski as the offensive coordinator for Pittsburgh, I think you
could fly and we'll see. I think the chances of
Mason Rudolph starting Week one are thirty seven percent. I
think it's higher than people.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
That's a dangerous number.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Maybe that's if Aaron Rodgers doesn't come back, I mean,
doesn't choose Pittsburgh, which I have to think the longer
this goes on, he is just seeing if there's any
chance that Minnesota will take him, because we keep seeing
these national reporters saying, well, Minnesota's They've talked about it
a little, they're kind of considering it, and clearly it's
(04:55):
the best option if he was given a chance to
start in Minnesota. Between Pittsburgh, New York and Minnesota. There
is reporting that offers are on the table for Rogers
from Pittsburgh and New York, so it's not the team's
waiting around. They've offered him a contract, I just have it.
If I just think he looks at Minnesota's like, is
there anyway I can get in there? Maybe that's it?
(05:16):
Or you just think he wants to dominate the new cycle.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, well he did wants to dominate the new cycle regardless, right,
as you pointed out, this week, he starred in a
reality show about himself titled Enigma. This is a person
And again, like I'm on TV, like I'm okay with
things I say and do being disseminated. I like attention.
I think Aaron Rodgers likes it a little bit more
than I do, and so it doesn't hurt. I don't
know if it's basing his entire process off it. He
(05:40):
may just not care about the implications it means for
other people.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right right, And I've thought, Look, I live in Santa Monica.
PCH is closed for the most part to non residents
above Intrata, which is just about a mile from a
house that go running down there. So I don't know
if I have access to go up to PCH, but
I could. If Rogers just walking back and forth on
(06:05):
the beach in Malibu, I could probably find them. It's
what it says twenty seven miles of you have unencumbered
beach or whatever, like, that's not that long. You can
see it all from the road.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't really think he'd be out there very long.
Oh he's not just yeah banging because you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Know those familiar with the you know, the Bay of
Los Angeles, you could almost see every spot from.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What I'm saying, the other spot, that's what I'm saying.
I could go find him. Maybe he's he's lower. Most
of the people don't live way up there, but maybe
he does. Who really knows. Let's stick with the quarterbacks,
even though these aren't the biggest stories. I just like
for the sake of the show, keeping them together. Kyle
Shanahan finally got his guy. Melra Jones is a San
Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Er Destiny I saw Ian ask like what the universe
would be like in the Butterfly Effect where he did
get mac.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Jones and not Trey Lance.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's pretty nice.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think we'd be in the same exact scenario, except
mac Jones would currently be like a former Cowboys quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Like, I don't think anything would have changed.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Wait, mac Jones drafted by the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Go ahead, Yeah, go ahead and flip flop both of them. Okay,
I don't think anything changes.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I think because Kyle Sheanahan is incapable of not helping
his quarterback get seven yards per attempt, like that's the baseline,
maybe even seven point four, that they would have had
a modicum of success and he would have had a
better career overall. But he would be an X forty
(07:29):
nine er by this point because he would have shown
himself to be Mac Jones.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, he would have been far more successful because that
forty nine ers team was very good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think the reason that Brock Party is about to
get this money is because we would finally not see
somebody have that success like with this edition of the
forty nine ers. Yes, I don't think you could just
plug any old person in and have seven yards per
attempt anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Right, But maybe Brock Party doesn't get signed. Ye, maybe
it's still all all happens. I'm out there having said
when Jones had that rookie season, after that year, I
would take him long term at that point over Russell Wilson,
which for like a minute looked like a pretty good
tape take, and then went back to a bad take
and now it's just kind of an irrelevant take. But
(08:12):
if mac Jones is ever gonna fulfill his destiny and
get back to the player he was as a rookie,
which was like pretty solid, It was pretty solid. It
was it was a guy who was going to have
a long career, which after his last year in Jacksonville,
was not convinced was gonna happen. So Kyle Shanahan can
try to help him out. The Titans also signed a quarterback.
It's Brandon Allen. But I put this in the news
(08:34):
because it supports my growing suspicion, based on nothing other
than logic, that they will take cam Ward number one overall.
And I think if you're taking Cam warrener overall, cam
Ward number one overall, are what are the types of
moves you might make in free agency? How about at
quarterback where you have no one? How about nothing except
signing Brandon Allen? Isn't that what you would do?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Probably, you know, get Kevin Zeidler in right, sure, operate
things such that you know, Dan Moore is a body
that plays a position.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Right, you have fifty.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Million dollars guarantee because other teams are trying to sign him.
The Titans weren't the only one.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So so if we say, hey, paying fifteen million dollars
to a player on the offensive line, these are all
moves that I would make if I was going to
draft cam Ward number one, I'll probably do some more stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
But why, you know, why push it?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think Brandon Allen is actually the biggest signifier of
any moves they've made, because I really believe eight you
would have either brought back Rudolph or you would have
been aggressive in the Jamis Mariota like someone that would
be a real bridge option, and they just didn't go
that route. They went with a guy who's a career
(09:45):
number three who would kind of make sense as a
backup if they end up dumping Will Levis, And that
to me, I really, I really think kme Ward is
by far the best quarterback in this draft. Why would
the Titans not take that quarterback? And I think I
think it's hitting that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You have a two in place, there's no reason like
the value for him elsewhere unless somebody's really taking a
flyer on the potential of Levis at this point, Yeah,
you go ahead, sign a three, You draft your one
problem solved.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And I would guess if that scenario happens, will Levis
is traded for a fifth round pick in August. It's
like something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean, fifth will be nice.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
They take a five, right though, would they? I mean
will Levis Isn't you got a chance with will Levis
at least to have a career. I mean, if Blaine
Gabbert lasted ten plus years. There are guys who figure
it out a little bit, that have physical talent that
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I just mean relative to the value of other trades.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Fair five feels like like they'd run up to be.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Like, yeah, yeah, thatay, okay, you're probably right. Here's our
Cooper Cup date of the show. We didn't mention on
Wednesday show with Nick Schook that officially Cooper Cup is
a free agent. He is on my top one oh one.
He's in the seventies. I think he's a role player.
I have him ahead of Keenan Allen, for instance. I
had him behind Mike Williams, who will get to in
(11:00):
a second. His market, according to our insider Ian Rappaport,
is about eleven to twelve million dollars a year, so
I think that supports what I'm saying, like, that's a
little above where Diami Brown in two two out, Well
got that's a that's a number three receiver type of guy.
Ian mentioned three teams specifically. He said the Seahawks, which
there's been a lot of buzz about, feels like they
(11:22):
might be the favorites, the Texans, who have a former
RAM staffer, Nick Kyley, taking over the offense, and the Jaguars,
who have a former RAM staffer as the head coach
and as the GM. Is there anywhere you would you
would like to see Cooper Cup?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, initially when the story first drop, I'm thinking Baltimore
Raven Cooper Cup where And I know the idea that
people see if Cooper Cup is him in motion and
it's shocking a defensive end before like coming back into
the route. I want to see less of that from
Cooper Cup at this stage of his career, just running routes,
(12:01):
getting open, just being able to do the traditional things,
which is why I kind of want him out of
the McVeigh tree and like.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
The Ravens don't happen after that Hopkins move, Yeah, that's
like you only have one of those. Probably, I guess
you'd never know there hasn't been any buzz, but it
just feels like you have one of those slots and
they filled it with DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Arizona would be fun.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, they could use another receiver. I've been surprised how
quiet they've been on offense. So that's a big name,
so is Trey Hendrickson. A report from Diane Rassini of
The Athletic from other teams saying that the Bengals asking
price for Trey Hendrickson is quote ridiculous, which, if you
know how the Bengals have done business in the past,
(12:41):
is not surprising to me at all, because I think
their endgame here is to be like, yeah, we tried
to trade you, but you know, it'd be great if
you just kept playing for the Bengals and we have
you under contract, and we have shown the willingness to
stare our players down if they don't want to come
to terms with the contract we are willing to give them.
So it's not surprising to me that they're probably by ridiculous.
(13:03):
They're probably asking for a first is what I would
guess would be classified as ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Would a first be ridiculous?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Maybe some team thinks so if they were in the
top half of the draft. Maybe it's not ridiculous, but
he is an aging pass rusher. Plus the contract you
have to give him. If DK Metcalf can't get more
than a first I don't think Trey hendrick that's true.
I just GINO got a late third.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Whether it's whether it's whispers of like who's interested in
Rogers or a trade being ridiculous. I know I'm old fashioned.
I could just go for some quotes these days.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I would.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I'd like to I'd like to know what ridiculous is.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
This was my attempt of sprinkling in a little spice
with a big name into the news Rundown, you know,
going with this ridiculous story.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No is it spice.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's a little spicy, just to just to talk about Hendrickson,
just to say where he's at might remind the people.
It's been quiet on the Hendrickson's front this week. And yes,
I think the Bengals showed their hands where when at
the combine? I believe certainly it was to the media.
They said, look, we want to give Trey Hendrickson a
(14:13):
new contract, but it takes two sides to agree on that. Contract,
but we would be happy to give him a new contract.
And I was like, Okay, it's gonna take a while.
Like they're just gonna they're just gonna stare them down.
They'll say they'll try to trade him. Yeah, and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And I know it's it's improper because nobody, you know,
it seems like nobody would ever do it.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But Duke Tobin like, tell us what the price is, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Okay, what's the gap?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay, Like Trey, let us know what you're asking for,
and Duke, let us know what you would like to
pay him, and then we'll try we'll try to meet
in the middle. That that feels like, you know, sometimes
it seems like these things were nebulous and like, oh,
it's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like the player wants a price, right, the team wants
a price, and let's just let's figure that out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Because I don't I don't necessarily think it's that complicated.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would love nothing less than the Bengals starting training
camp with t Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Trey Hendrickson all
holding out. I just don't want that future. And yet
it seems on the table I'm gonna actually make a
prediction here on March thirteenth, Jamar Chase will have signed
and will be there, but t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson
(15:18):
will not. That's my that's my very very early prediction.
You know who's going to be back in a familiar
training camp. How about Mike Williams coming back to LA
There's a new facility now, Mike. Yeah, was Mike Williams
ever in San Diego? No, he's not that. No, there's
not many San Diego Chargers left.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah. In fact, I think they're all gone.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I think they're all gone now. I like that six
million dollars Betty on a bounce back from a guy
that didn't look one hundred percent recovered from his torn
acl last year. Makes sense for a guy who never
built his game off speed anyways, that he could be
in a better spot at less money. He's obviously familiar
and I'm sure got a good referral from one Justin
(16:00):
Herbert who loved thrown to that man.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And he comes from like it was Nathaniel Hackett mode
Jets offense to like the falling apart Steelers offense. He
was also coming back off of an injury. Yeah, there's
cause to believe that this could be like a similar
version to the mic at the end of the Los
Angeles run the first time, the one that was playing very,
very good before he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, he's not that old. He started his career in
twenty seventeen, has certainly had a lot of injuries. But
they needed to add another receiver. They didn't get em
an Ingram signed, which was something I was looking forward to.
Maybe for the Chargers, they don't have like a ton
of firepower still on offense they had and Naja Harris
will see what else they do. Speaking of firepower, I
(16:47):
think if you look at the rundown, it'll probably give
it away. But I'm going to give a test here.
Don't look, Okay, what receiver led the NFL in EPA
per route run last year route run? I believe EPA
per route is that even a stat I might be
(17:09):
messing this up. No, Adam Feeling, it's Adam Feeling, all right. Yeah,
well you looked at the rundown.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I didn't look at.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh my god, Well then I'm really impressed. Patrick is
so happy. I don't think he's a good enough actor
or his eyes were up the whole time. Look he
looked straight up. But you could have looked at it
earlier in the day and Feeling's there. But I'll give you,
I'll give you some credit. That's amazing. They actually gave
Adam Feeling a raise. I was wondering when I saw
(17:40):
that they were restructuring. I was like, what, like, they're
giving this man a okay cut after what he did it. No,
it was the opposite. He has been so good at
such a low price there that he was like, yeah,
I'll continue to play football, but what can you just
give me a raise? And so they gave him a
rare one year raise and he'll be a free agent
if he chooses to keep playing football. He did say
(18:02):
publicly he was kind of thinking about whether to walk
away or not. And so they gave him a nice raise.
What a great signing.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He's a raise in this year?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yes, yeah, a rare one where so it's.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Not like it's hurting the cap.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yes, wow, yeah, they well they have nothing but cap space. Yeah.
They did the the Gronk move. The Patriots did a
couple of times the Edelman like where they were the
guy was was on such a bad contract. Every once
in a while they would just like give him a raise.
Max Crosby got one of these last year and it
was five million dollars. Just, hey, you deserve more money saque.
(18:35):
It's not the same thing because they extended saque out.
They moved the money around and this is just like
we don't know what the terms are, but he has
more in his pocket. He deserves it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I think it's indicative of like a value.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
And shout out to them for rewarding Adam Thalen for
his contributions, because I think there's a viability that people
with BRYCE that might not have ever happened if not
for Adam Thielen are we really might not ever ever
seen that run last year.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I can't find the stat that I'm looking for, but
I'm really gonna try. I just probably made it up
the cards. Right after we taped last night's show, after
I castigated them for not spending enough money, they signed
Dalvin Tomlinson two years twenty nine million, so they spent
some more money. They haven't done a lot on offense.
(19:25):
I think they've swung and missed on a lot of
free agents where they were second or third in the bidding.
But Dalvin Tomlinson was one of those guys that got cut,
you know by the Browns. He's making a lot of
money and then got picked up within a second and
was playing at a very high levels last season.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, a nice finish to the season. And it's a
guy that you know, we're not necessarily going to have
to google. And so this is not that name value
is what the Cardinals were missing. They really need a
playmaker honestly out on the edge, which is something that
you know, they go out and signed Josh Sweat. I'm
sure they're going to draft, you know, draft an edge
as well, but it's still a need.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Brought back Baron Browning. He was going to be in
our segment later where we listened to some players in
new places, but he's not in a new place. He's
actually been in Arizona. So why don't you listen to
Baron Browning about why he decided to stay in Arizona?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Why signed before free agency? And I had to see what
your value was and give the market. I mean, if
you got a girlfriend who's a team, why play around?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's true and honestly, in terms of answering the question, right,
you satisfy a couple of things. Baron Browning significant other
feels a little more secure, okay after hearing that. So
that's job number one. And yeah, it shows that you
can be faithful to a thing. There's a lot of
people out there that that doesn't not necessarily a fly for.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I liked your take before the show, which was, you know,
there's more than just physical appearance to consider.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, yeah, you have to evaluate the whole thing. And
I think that's what he's saying that circumstances. You know,
you can find somebody that uplifts you, that you enjoy
being around, that you liked their smile, and it's not
just an outward physical appearance. There are folks who you know,
like to branch out. They may see more than one
ten out there and you know got out to them
(21:12):
as well. But Baron Browning is a faithful person. I
just hope the Cardinals will be faithful.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, they gave him fifteen million dollars over two years.
That's solid. Who is the guy, you know, Daniel, you
know from Love is Blind. I thought you just were saying, like,
you know, there's more than appearances there, not that he
has a bad appearance, but he was a little worried
about it, and he got it done. In the end,
he won that Seaton.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
He overcame the barrier and shout out to all the
short kings out there. If you were on reality TV,
do not mention that you're short, because they will play
it because other people don't see being short the way that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Short he led with it. He could have not led
with it. But the love is blind.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Producers were like, always insecure because he's short, because we
don't like short people, so we'll make.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Him damn wow. Patrick, always sticking up for the groups
that are unfairly treated. And we appreciate your support.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Patrick, you for being a speaker for the shorts.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The Raiders signed Raheem Moster, the man their backfield does
not look great on paper. He didn't look one hundred
percent for most of the last year. Definitely a red
flag that the Dolphins let him go. The Commanders signed
another former Patriot, Dietrich Wise. They also had brought in
Jonathan Jones. kJ Osborne is on that team, by the way, too,
They brought him back. Speaking of Patriots former Patriots, the
(22:30):
Patriots released David Andrews, one of the few guys left
from a few Super Bowl winning teams. He was a
rookie I think the year before they they had the
twenty eight to three comeback, a great longtime Patriots. Sounds
like he's going to retire. They got a lot of
people to put into that Patriots Hall of Fame. But
I suspect David Andrews will be there eventually, a team
(22:50):
captain from very early in his run. And then the Eagles,
they keep picking at the margins. They got a lot
of dead cap money, they got a lot of contracts
to worry about. I thought they'd be a little more
aggressive and free agency. See if there's a trade. They
did sign former Patriot josh uch.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Just getting getting value.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We gotta we gotta find out where the where the
meat of this goes.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
But yeah, josh Uja is your dude. I just well
when he did, you know, Needle not necessarily move, but no,
not moved. But it's similar to AJ Dillon landing in Philadelphia,
which is that if these guys are ever gonna get
it done again at the NFL level, they found the
perfect spot. I mean, if if can't be a situational
pass thresher with the Eagles, he's not gonna be able
(23:33):
to get it done. He's had a very strange career.
Reportedly turned down a lot of guaranteed money last year
to stay with the Patriots and then couldn't get on
the field that consistently, which was a theme of his
time in New England. But he did have that, you know,
one year and if you look at pass rush, you know,
production per snap over the course of his career, it's outstanding.
(23:55):
And yet teams haven't really trusted him. He went to
the Chiefs and couldn't get on the field for them.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Well, this is the spot for it.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
This is the rotational spot in that Fangio defense where
you know they're cycling guys in and out of the line,
and if you have to deliver on eight pass rushes
and he's a very efficient pass rusher, you know, there
you go, here's your eight snaps.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yep. Maybe taking that Bryce hoffspot, although he's still there
making like twenty million dollars a year. I think that's
one of those contracts it's just not worth even cutting.
Just see see how he shows up to camp and
see if he's better, because he's shown a level that
made them give him that money. Then and see if
he can get better. And if camp really doesn't go well,
maybe he doesn't make that team. Alexander Madison, the running back,
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helps to replace Raheem Moster in Miami. And the Titans,
who have been making a decent amount of moves. They
signed Draymont Jones, the defensive lineman who's a bit of
a free agent bust for the Seahawks for ten million dollars.
We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
we're gonna listen to a little sound from some of
the players in new spots, and we're gonna go back
(24:57):
and forth and choose some teams we'd like to see
a little more. For me, it's like, show me something
a little more open up that component. Back on NFL Daily,
I asked what phase of free agency this is. It's
(25:19):
the one where the big names who were signed are
now showing up and you got four or five different
Patriots holding up jerseys. Robert Splane's got a fourteen. Milton
Williams I liked, was just like kind of wearing an
old polo, you know, don't get dressed up. What the
(25:40):
it's a nice polo?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Was fine.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Let's listen to some of the comments that we heard
with players showing up in their new spot, and we'll
start in Seattle where they obviously made the big move
that they got to be right about Sam Darnold, let's
hear from him.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, I think you.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Know, first and foremost. I think maybe Clint could talk
a little bit more about that in detail, but I
know it. Foundation is the run game and we're gonna
we're gonna run the rock. I know Clint's big on
running the rock and you got to do that and
building that off of play action keepers and dropping back
when you have to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, yeah, that's what you want to hear from the
guy who just gave fifty five million dollars guaranteed too.
What do you do well, Sam, Well, we got to
run the football.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I think the issue is because it was asked about
how he is going to excel in the offense.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sure he still said, like, oh yeah, the running game's
gotta be.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Sam quickly quickly provided the correction like, hey, you should
ask the offensive coordinator these questions. I'm Sam Donald, But
if you're asking me about the offense, Clint likes to
run the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But I'm saying today that I'm Sam.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I go out there and I execute whatever because I'm yeah,
I'm one hundred million dollars, Sam darl.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm the type of quarterback that you got to build
a great running game for. So I'm not gonna work.
Oh no, sorry, the Hive has destroyed Greg. Yeah, it's
gonna rip Sam Donald apart seventeen. It's not an inspiring
way to answer a question. Although Darnold was beloved in
Minnesota and never strikes you as a guy who's gonna
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have inspiring quotes or speeches, but beloved by his teammates
throughout the NFL.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I think it was fine. Kenny Pickett is a Cleveland
Brown that kind of slipped under the radar, and this
for good quote from him caught my eye.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I just think it's a great opportunity to go compete again.
That's really all you can ask for, and that's what
I was told here. You know, coming in here, I'm
having an opportunity to compete again. So I'm very excited
for that. But do you view myself as a starter?
You know, I'm sure they're going to bring in another
veteran and who knows what else, But you know, I'm
just excited to be here and compete with whoever.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
M who's it going to be Kirk. I don't like
the idea that he if Kenny Pickett's competing to start,
I don't know if that's going to happen, but he
thinks it's gonna happen. Yeah, he's a competitor. I like
that out of Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I do feel because I feel strongly that was going
to be Kirk Cousins early on. The longer it takes,
the less likely I feel it is. I feel like
it if a trade were to happen, we're gonna we're
kind of losing the momentum on that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, it could happen after the draft or something like
that though. That's what the the insiders are saying. Kirk
wants to find make sure that they're not going to
draft a quarterback over the top of him. I think
he's lost that he has no trade classe, he has
a no trade class. He kind of does have that privilege.
It's crazy, but it's true. Yeah, I guess. I mean, right,
(28:34):
he could exercise that and they could say, well, we're
not going to wait a round for you. That's that's
a potential way that the a team like the Browns
could push him on that. But he does have a
no trade class.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I did see his strategic move where he wanted to
talk to to mister blank right, and then that didn't
pan out, and then he was in the Oval office
what felt like moments later, like posing up with with Don.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
We really yeah, I didn't know that. It was like
one story immediately to another.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's like, okay, there's there's a strategy. I guess we'll see.
We'll see what Kirko chains comes up with. I guess
masquerading all that culture only meant so much to some people.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That is funny. Uh, you're breaking news to me. I
love that. Joey Bosa speaking of guys from political families,
let's listen to him in Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Really enjoyed my years in LA but coming to a
team back like you know, the Ohio State days where
you're really living in a football town with an unbelievable
fan base, it's it's really got me excited.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Was a shot at Los Angeles maybe a little one,
A little one, I get it. I mean the Chargers.
You shouldn't be taking any shots at their fans, and
I don't think that's what he meant. But Joey Bosa
nothing else. He's a football guy. Yeah, and so maybe
he wasn't feeling that love up there with real football people,
(29:58):
unlike the people here are fake. No, we're there's a
I mean, look, Chargers fans, they're real ones, and a
lot of them.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I think so. I think Joey Bosa is the persons
that come.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
He was a San Diego Charger and so he knows
the heartbreak that those fans had and a lot of
them have traveled up to the games and whatnot. But
it's not I wouldn't say the Chargers have overtaken the
city in the sense that, like you know the city
that you feel that you feel the buzz around La
about the Chargers as much as maybe Joey Bosa wants, well,
(30:32):
he's he'll feel it in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
He's found He's found his place.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
He says, they will love him there. DeVante Adams spoke
to the Rams and as of this taping, for some reason,
the video is not available literally anywhere. It's true. I
can't believe it. I'm sure it will be later, but
we will show a beautiful picture that our colleague Jordan
Rodrigue took herself very professional and I like the item
(30:59):
of news that she put out there on Blue Sky.
Not not a great look for Eric who put this
together that he's not following Jordan on Blue Sky. It's
asking I'm not on Blue Sky.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I actually get a little annoyed when you send me
Blue Sky stuff because I'm like, I have to go
like it's a weird crop.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, then just sign up for it, at least to
help your job.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I do have your Blue Sky up on a permanent
tab on my computer.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'll give you that. Now you're going out of your
way to not It doesn't matter. What's the last app
you put on your phone? What's the last monopoly?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Monopoly?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, it's at this point, right, it's part of the job.
Sometimes I'm going to be asking, well, the links where
Jordan is tweeting, you're open your settings, how much storage
space do you have?
Speaker 7 (31:41):
The links work? Greg, It works. It just I don't
need the app on my phone.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It hurts my eyes to see plus follow in the
corner of the of the graphic, which people can check
out by the way, I phone storage on YouTube twenty
four gigs keeping twenty five. All right, can we have
the graphic up and you check gears settings at the
same time? Sorry, So she told a great story or
(32:05):
Davante told the great story that Jordan relayed about how
Sean McVay narrated and detailed highlight cutups of DeVante's game
as he was recruiting him, about ten minutes worth of
highlights in McVeigh content. I want that content, And Adam
said it was a big factor, just like how clear
(32:27):
it was that that they really wanted him and having
a vision for it, like I would love to watch
that ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
And I bet that it wasn't something special that Sean
McVay had to do.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I bet he just had one.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I bet he had a Davante Adams cut up that
he had narrated already.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Stuff. I don't know. I feel like that would be narrating.
I'm sure he has cutups, but why would he be narrating.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think it was a cut up And he pulled
it up on his phone, hit voice memo and was
like right into it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I mean, that's your idea. I know. There was negotiations
between Sean McVay and Amazon. Reportedly he could have made
ten million dollars a year to have the job. That
ultimately went to why am I blanking out his name?
Curb Street, and that's how memorable Kirk's you know, broadcasting
(33:17):
for Amazon has been. McVay would have been amazing, But
he would make more than ten million dollars if he
just had his own YouTube channel of him narrating highlights. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
There would never be a question of if the video
would make it long enough to get to profit bbility
profitability like Sean McVay could yap, and it was not
even yapping from Sean McVay.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, it would just knowledge. You don't even need to
go to the studios. You don't need to fly around
the country if you do a ten minute video McVeigh
on your own YouTube page three or four times a week.
You saw what it did for Gruden. Mcveay would blow
that out of the water. Watch out, Brett Coleman trying
to think of who else does that on YouTube? Watch out?
(34:03):
All right, let's break down the teams that we would
like to see a little more from. So it's just
frequency is not over. There's gonna be a lot of
players that are signed and traded for between now and
the season, starting even now and the rest of the
month that have big impacts on the twenty twenty five season.
So it's far from over, but I think we are
at the point there's not a lot of signings happening
(34:25):
right now, not a lot of players left in the
top fifty, that there's a few teams out there that
we can point to and say, like, I want to see,
what can you do a little more? We're at we
need a little more from you. Why don't you get us?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Go on?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Patrick, I would like to start with the team that
we mentioned earlier. They decided to honor the contributions of
Adam Thlen. I think the Carolina Panthers could do a
little bit, really be a little bit more aggressive to
the extent that they were last year. We saw the
improvements that they made on the interior, and I know
Adam Thielen's contributions have been great that youth. If you're
talking about addressing other spots of receiver through the draft,
(34:58):
they're good there. Let's get Bryce another veteran target with
the ones that are available. I just feel like it's
an obvious move.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
The wide receiver market has been slow to materialize for
a lot of these guys, so in terms of name value,
they are the best players out there in terms of
Amari Cooper and Stefan Diggs and Keenan Allen. There's got
to be some receivers that help teams. So that that's
well said, they have been active. I will give him
that pack.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I love Rico as a signing.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I think that's great, mostly on the defensive side, but
Tarron Morigg. They re signed Mike Jackson. They brought in
Christian Roseboom, the former Ram. They signed Bobby Brown, the
former Ram, Tshaun Warreon. So they have been spending a
lot of money, most of it on defense. They gave
Tommy Tremble a surprisingly good deal to come back. I'm
gonna go with the Bengals. They're outside free agents so
far are Sama, JP Ryan, who they're familiar with, TJ. Slayton,
(35:50):
which is just kind of a lottery ticket from the
Packers just see what happens. Oron Burks, maybe they just thought, well,
Aaron Burks has been in the Super Bowl, the last Championship,
DNA couple of years, but that's like a rotational special
teams guy, not going to be starting for you. And
then BJ Hill they brought back. That was their biggest signing.
(36:11):
If your whole offseason plan is just to save up
the money for Hendrickson and t and Chase. Like, if
you can execute that, I'll accept it. But it's also
not a route to get better those guys who are
already on the team.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, it's time to do more, but it can't just
all be arguing and fighting with the talent that you've
been able to recrue a.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Little more, and I think they will. They are kind
of a late in the game free agency type of team.
Baltimore is very often one of those teams.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Too.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Give me another one.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
A team that's back on this list after a great
offseason in terms of splashy acquisitions.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The Green Bay Packers, Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Went out and got it, got close to leading the
NFL in interceptions, a top five rusher and former rushing leader,
and here we've got Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs. There's
there's still this discussion about the impending breakup with Jyry
Alexander They you know, Miles Garrett got brought back to Cleveland.
There's still need to add a big spot where they
(37:13):
can create some sort of distance between the rest of
the league and the best of the league.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And they're just kind of there. Still Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I like that you're focusing too on one side, primarily
the offense, because I did think about that with a
few teams, like I guess you said Garrett, the defense
as well. But like the Seahawks and the Patriots have
mostly just got defense, they could go after offense, but
I didn't. But since they've been aggressive. You know, the Packers,
they signed two players from my top hundred and a
(37:41):
lot of people's probably top fifty in terms of you know,
Aaron Banks and Nate Obs. But you're not impressed. No,
I'm going to go with the team that kept Miles Garrett. Okay,
I actually think trading Miles Garrett would have made sense
if you could get good draft picks, and if it
somehow would have opened up space to fill more holes.
Because at this point, it's keeping Miles Garrett and then
(38:03):
Joe trying Chayanka you brought in for five million dollars.
Malik Collins keeps getting more and more money. Solid player,
but a lot of guaranteed money for him, and then
it's it's Pickett, it's bringing back Devin Bush hasn't been great,
and that's it.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So we talked about all of the moves they've made
currently makes sense. Yeah, the Tennessee Titans have seventy two
million dollars in cap space. I understand if you put
on drafting cam Ward number one. Overall, that's not an
excuse to not go out and try to acquire talent.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
It's just not They need to be in.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
More of these discussions and more of these conversations to where, yeah,
I know, you get into a bidding war. Dan Moore's
still fifteen million dollars, Like, there's no the money needs
to be spent. That's why it's there, so go spend it.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Okay, they've tried. They brought in Harder Zeitler. These are
some surprising picks from you, and that's why I like
having this exercise. We came up with three different teams entirely.
They signed Draymond Jones and Spas and Joseph David just
a couple. It just feels like no matter who's running
the Titans, they all have the same sort of players
(39:10):
that they bring in, Like Draymond Jones could have been
a Mike Rabel Titan, he could have been a who
is the GM that was with him? John Robinson GM
Titan and now he's here like two gms later and
they just signed the same sort of players. I'm going
with the Falcons. You gave Leonard Floyd a bonus. Leonard
Floyd at this point is diminishing returns. You gave pretty
(39:32):
good money to Devon Diablo. You gave Jake Matthews huge money.
I know he's never missed a game, but that was
kind of a cap procedure. They seem like they're paying
the piper for the Kirk Cousins deal, and they pushed
hard last year to bring in players, and I get it,
you can't every year, but I really think this is
(39:53):
them idiot because of the Kirk Cousins dead money that's
going to be on there.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, just trying to find Hllary books, having to pay
a premium for the bargain players where you still have
to acquire the talent, but you don't know if you're
going to be sitting there left at the end of
this game and musical chairs. So you gotta you feel like, oh, well,
we got to go here for Leonard Floyd, and we
have to do it now because otherwise we're we're still
sitting here with the Curse of John Abraham and having
(40:20):
nobody at the end.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, but he's not. He's not breaking the curse. Good player,
not breaking that curse. So those are six teams we
just we just want to see a little more from.
And I opened the show saying, if you wanted to
know what phase of free agency it is, it is
the phase of free agency where we have Russell Wilson
leaving the Cleveland brown Is facility in a big chevy suburban.
(40:46):
It looks like, is that what that is? What do you?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Let's see see if we get any logos there.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
He's not driving, which makes sense.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I think it was a range Rover.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I think it was too, So there we go.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Congratulations for us.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
That's fun. I don't really see him as a fit
in Kevin Sefanski's offense, but.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, and over the years I've developed questions about Kevin
Stefanski's offense.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
But this is this is the year.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This is the year that we find out and going
through that exercise, I'm kind of wondering as draft evaluation,
as player evaluation, has become more like centralized, Yes, did
you think that's impacting.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Free agency a little bit?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Where everybody has almost the same grades on everybody else
and we're seeing teams like reach for guys because it's
pretty much common thought about how everybody feels about every.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
In terms of the draft and how that likes free agency.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
How they evaluated these guys in the first place, and
how they've evaluated.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Them in the league. M just popped in my head.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I like that. That is a topic, honestly, we could
talk about on Friday on forties in free agency. Yeah,
that's that's you, and that's a you and DJ, me
and Daniel Jeremiah. I really appreciate all the feedback I
got from NFL Daily listeners and some new listeners picked up.
The reaction was awesome, and we are going to be
airing that show every Thursday except for this week. It
is coming out on Friday afternoon, so stay tuned for that.
(42:07):
I'm going to pose that do it to our our
draft guru.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, because a lot of those a lot of those
common thoughts are because people everybody listened to DJ, which
they should because DJ's voice you should listen to.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's true, I don't is there more common thought. That's
where I would interrogate him, like, is that a thing?
I don't feel like I'm in a position to know,
but I like that. I also like that Russell Wilson
is trying to force the hand of the Giants and
Steelers or whatever somebody should whatever he's doing in Cleveland,
because remember last year he went and visited the Giants,
but he invited himself there. I've never heard of such
a thing, Like he was like, can I come visit?
(42:38):
And it kind of spurred action with the Steelers. He
was sick of waiting around for the Steelers to make.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
The good somebody's being proactive.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, it's true. At least Russell Wilson does want to work.
He's just waiting. We're not waiting any longer. Big week
for Clay Bot. NFL Daily did work, NFL Network, he
did work.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Thank you, sir, because I got to do it with you, man,
that's what makes it big.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
It was a lot of fun. Look, when we're complaining
about the Bengals and the Falcons and they're off season,
that's when you know football is back seat ry.
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we just asked Siri, what
phase of free agency is it when we're leading the
show with Mason Rudolph. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in
the Chris Westling podcast studio with my friend Patrick Clayban.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's it's the it's the phase where Aaron Rodgers' ears
start to perk up.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's like, Okay, now it's my time. There's too much
attention going to other people.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
But when Mason Rudolph is leading the show, yeah, Aaron's like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Maybe it's Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That's not a great tease for this show. But and
yet this show is gonna be fantastic because we're gonna
hit there's a decent amount of news. I just find
like that Steelers quarterback situation interesting, so I decided hilarious. Yeah,
hilarious would be another. Depressing would be another way to
describe it, Embarrassing, a lot of a lot of different
ways you could describe it. So we're gonna hit the news.
(00:51):
There's definitely less of it here, and we're gonna listen
to some sound of some players in new places, and
then we're gonna get you out of here by telling
some teams. We want a little more from them. They've
just been a little too quiet. That feel like some
holes are out there.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's almost the converse of because you debuted, you better
be right on Insiders this week, where we chatted decisions.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That you better be right about you better be right,
better be right about Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, you better do something. Yes, what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
We don't even have something to say. You better be
right to these teams. They haven't done anything. Do something.
At least the Seahawks are. They were bold, Yeah, like
you can. I don't remember who else I said they
better be right. The Cowboys for just kind of not
really doing a lot. They would fit in this segment
as well. But let's start the news with Mason rudelf.
(01:43):
I just I just think it's funny we're at the
backup quarterback situation and he signed on Thursday for two years,
eight million dollars. He played pretty well whenever he got
the chance for the Steelers over a long stretch of
being their second and third receiver, I mean third quarterback,
and his carved out himself a nice little career. Was
definitely better than Will Levison Tennessee. For what it's worth
(02:04):
last year, although didn't look as good the longer that
he played, which happens with Mason Rudolf. But the reason
I'm leading is just like, what does this mean, Patrick?
Does this mean there's less of a chance center of
Aaron Rodgers? Is Russell Wilson potentially competing with Mason Rudolph.
What are the chances of Mason Rudolph week one? Starter?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I would have to.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Think that maybe russ coming back would supersede Mason Rudolph
week one. I think Mason Rudolph is a signing that
you can do either way. Yeah, But the ultimate thing
it's a sign of is how being in the Aaron
Rodgers game can set your season development back purely because
you're having to wait and make decisions with this big
unknown that and you don't know what he's gonna want
(02:47):
to do once he decides to sign, right, So if
you're in that game, you put yourself in this situation
where like, yeah, you got to sign Mason Rudolph for
an X amount of money, which I guess we get
the backup quarterback value, Like so Daniel Jones is worth
Rudolph plus Johnny Hecker or something like that. That's how
you get into the backup quarterback range. But yeah, it's
(03:07):
it's makes some Rudolph on February, I mean on March thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it's it's not a big deal. And yet while
they wait for Rogers, it just it just strikes me
how did they get into this position? And I do
think there is absolutely fair criticism that Mike Tomlin and
their GM now Omar Khan and going back to their
last GM Kevin Colbert, don't know how to build an
(03:31):
offense that's consistently productive enough. It's just I mean, you
have a Hall of Fame quarterback, you do, and this
is true of a lot of franchises. But they just
haven't had a clear idea for them to be sitting
here just waiting for Rogers to throw up the bat signal.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, eventually it would happen on accident, right like we
have tho we had the hot Joe Flacco stretch in Cleveland. Sure,
Like what period of Steelers offense these past four years?
Have we really seen an offensive explosion?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You can.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You can go all the way back to twenty nineteen.
I would say when it was sort of the end
of Big Ben, when Mason Rudolph actually played quite a
bit for them. Kevin Stefanski, I think, does know how
to build an offense. Actually, I don't know if the
entire organization does. They they've brought in the wrong personnel,
not just that quarterback, but like, if you put Kevin
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Stefanski as the offensive coordinator for Pittsburgh, I think you
could fly and we'll see. I think the chances of
Mason Rudolph starting Week one are thirty seven percent. I
think it's higher than people.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
That's a dangerous number.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Maybe that's if Aaron Rodgers doesn't come back, I mean,
doesn't choose Pittsburgh, which I have to think the longer
this goes on, he is just seeing if there's any
chance that Minnesota will take him, because we keep seeing
these national reporters saying, well, Minnesota's They've talked about it
a little, they're kind of considering it, and clearly it's
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the best option if he was given a chance to
start in Minnesota. Between Pittsburgh, New York and Minnesota. There
is reporting that offers are on the table for Rogers
from Pittsburgh and New York, so it's not the team's
waiting around. They've offered him a contract, I just have it.
If I just think he looks at Minnesota's like, is
there anyway I can get in there? Maybe that's it?
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Or you just think he wants to dominate the new cycle.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, well he did wants to dominate the new cycle regardless, right,
as you pointed out, this week, he starred in a
reality show about himself titled Enigma. This is a person
And again, like I'm on TV, like I'm okay with
things I say and do being disseminated. I like attention.
I think Aaron Rodgers likes it a little bit more
than I do, and so it doesn't hurt. I don't
know if it's basing his entire process off it. He
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may just not care about the implications it means for
other people.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right right, And I've thought, Look, I live in Santa Monica.
PCH is closed for the most part to non residents
above Intrata, which is just about a mile from a
house that go running down there. So I don't know
if I have access to go up to PCH, but
I could. If Rogers just walking back and forth on
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the beach in Malibu, I could probably find them. It's
what it says twenty seven miles of you have unencumbered
beach or whatever, like, that's not that long. You can
see it all from the road.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't really think he'd be out there very long.
Oh he's not just yeah banging because you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Know those familiar with the you know, the Bay of
Los Angeles, you could almost see every spot from.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What I'm saying, the other spot, that's what I'm saying.
I could go find him. Maybe he's he's lower. Most
of the people don't live way up there, but maybe
he does. Who really knows. Let's stick with the quarterbacks,
even though these aren't the biggest stories. I just like
for the sake of the show, keeping them together. Kyle
Shanahan finally got his guy. Melra Jones is a San
Francisco forty nine.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Er Destiny I saw Ian ask like what the universe
would be like in the Butterfly Effect where he did
get mac.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Jones and not Trey Lance.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's pretty nice.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think we'd be in the same exact scenario, except
mac Jones would currently be like a former Cowboys quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Like, I don't think anything would have changed.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Wait, mac Jones drafted by the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Go ahead, Yeah, go ahead and flip flop both of them. Okay,
I don't think anything changes.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I think because Kyle Sheanahan is incapable of not helping
his quarterback get seven yards per attempt, like that's the baseline,
maybe even seven point four, that they would have had
a modicum of success and he would have had a
better career overall. But he would be an X forty
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nine er by this point because he would have shown
himself to be Mac Jones.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, he would have been far more successful because that
forty nine ers team was very good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think the reason that Brock Party is about to
get this money is because we would finally not see
somebody have that success like with this edition of the
forty nine ers. Yes, I don't think you could just
plug any old person in and have seven yards per
attempt anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Right, But maybe Brock Party doesn't get signed. Ye, maybe
it's still all all happens. I'm out there having said
when Jones had that rookie season, after that year, I
would take him long term at that point over Russell Wilson,
which for like a minute looked like a pretty good
tape take, and then went back to a bad take
and now it's just kind of an irrelevant take. But
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if mac Jones is ever gonna fulfill his destiny and
get back to the player he was as a rookie,
which was like pretty solid, It was pretty solid. It
was it was a guy who was going to have
a long career, which after his last year in Jacksonville,
was not convinced was gonna happen. So Kyle Shanahan can
try to help him out. The Titans also signed a quarterback.
It's Brandon Allen. But I put this in the news
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because it supports my growing suspicion, based on nothing other
than logic, that they will take cam Ward number one overall.
And I think if you're taking Cam warrener overall, cam
Ward number one overall, are what are the types of
moves you might make in free agency? How about at
quarterback where you have no one? How about nothing except
signing Brandon Allen? Isn't that what you would do?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Probably, you know, get Kevin Zeidler in right, sure, operate
things such that you know, Dan Moore is a body
that plays a position.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Right, you have fifty.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Million dollars guarantee because other teams are trying to sign him.
The Titans weren't the only one.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So so if we say, hey, paying fifteen million dollars
to a player on the offensive line, these are all
moves that I would make if I was going to
draft cam Ward number one, I'll probably do some more stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
But why, you know, why push it?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think Brandon Allen is actually the biggest signifier of
any moves they've made, because I really believe eight you
would have either brought back Rudolph or you would have
been aggressive in the Jamis Mariota like someone that would
be a real bridge option, and they just didn't go
that route. They went with a guy who's a career
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number three who would kind of make sense as a
backup if they end up dumping Will Levis, And that
to me, I really, I really think kme Ward is
by far the best quarterback in this draft. Why would
the Titans not take that quarterback? And I think I
think it's hitting that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You have a two in place, there's no reason like
the value for him elsewhere unless somebody's really taking a
flyer on the potential of Levis at this point, Yeah,
you go ahead, sign a three, You draft your one
problem solved.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And I would guess if that scenario happens, will Levis
is traded for a fifth round pick in August. It's
like something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean, fifth will be nice.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
They take a five, right though, would they? I mean
will Levis Isn't you got a chance with will Levis
at least to have a career. I mean, if Blaine
Gabbert lasted ten plus years. There are guys who figure
it out a little bit, that have physical talent that
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I just mean relative to the value of other trades.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Fair five feels like like they'd run up to be.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Like, yeah, yeah, thatay, okay, you're probably right. Here's our
Cooper Cup date of the show. We didn't mention on
Wednesday show with Nick Schook that officially Cooper Cup is
a free agent. He is on my top one oh one.
He's in the seventies. I think he's a role player.
I have him ahead of Keenan Allen, for instance. I
had him behind Mike Williams, who will get to in
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a second. His market, according to our insider Ian Rappaport,
is about eleven to twelve million dollars a year, so
I think that supports what I'm saying, like, that's a
little above where Diami Brown in two two out, Well
got that's a that's a number three receiver type of guy.
Ian mentioned three teams specifically. He said the Seahawks, which
there's been a lot of buzz about, feels like they
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might be the favorites, the Texans, who have a former
RAM staffer, Nick Kyley, taking over the offense, and the Jaguars,
who have a former RAM staffer as the head coach
and as the GM. Is there anywhere you would you
would like to see Cooper Cup?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, initially when the story first drop, I'm thinking Baltimore
Raven Cooper Cup where And I know the idea that
people see if Cooper Cup is him in motion and
it's shocking a defensive end before like coming back into
the route. I want to see less of that from
Cooper Cup at this stage of his career, just running routes,
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getting open, just being able to do the traditional things,
which is why I kind of want him out of
the McVeigh tree and like.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
The Ravens don't happen after that Hopkins move, Yeah, that's
like you only have one of those. Probably, I guess
you'd never know there hasn't been any buzz, but it
just feels like you have one of those slots and
they filled it with DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Arizona would be fun.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, they could use another receiver. I've been surprised how
quiet they've been on offense. So that's a big name,
so is Trey Hendrickson. A report from Diane Rassini of
The Athletic from other teams saying that the Bengals asking
price for Trey Hendrickson is quote ridiculous, which, if you
know how the Bengals have done business in the past,
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is not surprising to me at all, because I think
their endgame here is to be like, yeah, we tried
to trade you, but you know, it'd be great if
you just kept playing for the Bengals and we have
you under contract, and we have shown the willingness to
stare our players down if they don't want to come
to terms with the contract we are willing to give them.
So it's not surprising to me that they're probably by ridiculous.
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They're probably asking for a first is what I would
guess would be classified as ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Would a first be ridiculous?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Maybe some team thinks so if they were in the
top half of the draft. Maybe it's not ridiculous, but
he is an aging pass rusher. Plus the contract you
have to give him. If DK Metcalf can't get more
than a first I don't think Trey hendrick that's true.
I just GINO got a late third.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Whether it's whether it's whispers of like who's interested in
Rogers or a trade being ridiculous. I know I'm old fashioned.
I could just go for some quotes these days.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I would.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I'd like to I'd like to know what ridiculous is.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
This was my attempt of sprinkling in a little spice
with a big name into the news Rundown, you know,
going with this ridiculous story.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No is it spice.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's a little spicy, just to just to talk about Hendrickson,
just to say where he's at might remind the people.
It's been quiet on the Hendrickson's front this week. And yes,
I think the Bengals showed their hands where when at
the combine? I believe certainly it was to the media.
They said, look, we want to give Trey Hendrickson a
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new contract, but it takes two sides to agree on that. Contract,
but we would be happy to give him a new contract.
And I was like, Okay, it's gonna take a while.
Like they're just gonna they're just gonna stare them down.
They'll say they'll try to trade him. Yeah, and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And I know it's it's improper because nobody, you know,
it seems like nobody would ever do it.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But Duke Tobin like, tell us what the price is, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Okay, what's the gap?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay, Like Trey, let us know what you're asking for,
and Duke, let us know what you would like to
pay him, and then we'll try we'll try to meet
in the middle. That that feels like, you know, sometimes
it seems like these things were nebulous and like, oh,
it's hard to do.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like the player wants a price, right, the team wants
a price, and let's just let's figure that out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Because I don't I don't necessarily think it's that complicated.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would love nothing less than the Bengals starting training
camp with t Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Trey Hendrickson all
holding out. I just don't want that future. And yet
it seems on the table I'm gonna actually make a
prediction here on March thirteenth, Jamar Chase will have signed
and will be there, but t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson
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will not. That's my that's my very very early prediction.
You know who's going to be back in a familiar
training camp. How about Mike Williams coming back to LA
There's a new facility now, Mike. Yeah, was Mike Williams
ever in San Diego? No, he's not that. No, there's
not many San Diego Chargers left.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah. In fact, I think they're all gone.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I think they're all gone now. I like that six
million dollars Betty on a bounce back from a guy
that didn't look one hundred percent recovered from his torn
acl last year. Makes sense for a guy who never
built his game off speed anyways, that he could be
in a better spot at less money. He's obviously familiar
and I'm sure got a good referral from one Justin
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Herbert who loved thrown to that man.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And he comes from like it was Nathaniel Hackett mode
Jets offense to like the falling apart Steelers offense. He
was also coming back off of an injury. Yeah, there's
cause to believe that this could be like a similar
version to the mic at the end of the Los
Angeles run the first time, the one that was playing very,
very good before he got hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, he's not that old. He started his career in
twenty seventeen, has certainly had a lot of injuries. But
they needed to add another receiver. They didn't get em
an Ingram signed, which was something I was looking forward to.
Maybe for the Chargers, they don't have like a ton
of firepower still on offense they had and Naja Harris
will see what else they do. Speaking of firepower, I
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think if you look at the rundown, it'll probably give
it away. But I'm going to give a test here.
Don't look, Okay, what receiver led the NFL in EPA
per route run last year route run? I believe EPA
per route is that even a stat I might be
(17:09):
messing this up. No, Adam Feeling, it's Adam Feeling, all right. Yeah,
well you looked at the rundown.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I didn't look at.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh my god, Well then I'm really impressed. Patrick is
so happy. I don't think he's a good enough actor
or his eyes were up the whole time. Look he
looked straight up. But you could have looked at it
earlier in the day and Feeling's there. But I'll give you,
I'll give you some credit. That's amazing. They actually gave
Adam Feeling a raise. I was wondering when I saw
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that they were restructuring. I was like, what, like, they're
giving this man a okay cut after what he did it. No,
it was the opposite. He has been so good at
such a low price there that he was like, yeah,
I'll continue to play football, but what can you just
give me a raise? And so they gave him a
rare one year raise and he'll be a free agent
if he chooses to keep playing football. He did say
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publicly he was kind of thinking about whether to walk
away or not. And so they gave him a nice raise.
What a great signing.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He's a raise in this year?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yes, yeah, a rare one where so it's.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Not like it's hurting the cap.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yes, wow, yeah, they well they have nothing but cap space. Yeah.
They did the the Gronk move. The Patriots did a
couple of times the Edelman like where they were the
guy was was on such a bad contract. Every once
in a while they would just like give him a raise.
Max Crosby got one of these last year and it
was five million dollars. Just, hey, you deserve more money saque.
(18:35):
It's not the same thing because they extended saque out.
They moved the money around and this is just like
we don't know what the terms are, but he has
more in his pocket. He deserves it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I think it's indicative of like a value.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
And shout out to them for rewarding Adam Thalen for
his contributions, because I think there's a viability that people
with BRYCE that might not have ever happened if not
for Adam Thielen are we really might not ever ever
seen that run last year.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I can't find the stat that I'm looking for, but
I'm really gonna try. I just probably made it up
the cards. Right after we taped last night's show, after
I castigated them for not spending enough money, they signed
Dalvin Tomlinson two years twenty nine million, so they spent
some more money. They haven't done a lot on offense.
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I think they've swung and missed on a lot of
free agents where they were second or third in the bidding.
But Dalvin Tomlinson was one of those guys that got cut,
you know by the Browns. He's making a lot of
money and then got picked up within a second and
was playing at a very high levels last season.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, a nice finish to the season. And it's a
guy that you know, we're not necessarily going to have
to google. And so this is not that name value
is what the Cardinals were missing. They really need a
playmaker honestly out on the edge, which is something that
you know, they go out and signed Josh Sweat. I'm
sure they're going to draft, you know, draft an edge
as well, but it's still a need.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Brought back Baron Browning. He was going to be in
our segment later where we listened to some players in
new places, but he's not in a new place. He's
actually been in Arizona. So why don't you listen to
Baron Browning about why he decided to stay in Arizona?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Why signed before free agency? And I had to see what
your value was and give the market. I mean, if
you got a girlfriend who's a team, why play around?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's true and honestly, in terms of answering the question, right,
you satisfy a couple of things. Baron Browning significant other
feels a little more secure, okay after hearing that. So
that's job number one. And yeah, it shows that you
can be faithful to a thing. There's a lot of
people out there that that doesn't not necessarily a fly for.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I liked your take before the show, which was, you know,
there's more than just physical appearance to consider.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, yeah, you have to evaluate the whole thing. And
I think that's what he's saying that circumstances. You know,
you can find somebody that uplifts you, that you enjoy
being around, that you liked their smile, and it's not
just an outward physical appearance. There are folks who you know,
like to branch out. They may see more than one
ten out there and you know got out to them
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as well. But Baron Browning is a faithful person. I
just hope the Cardinals will be faithful.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, they gave him fifteen million dollars over two years.
That's solid. Who is the guy, you know, Daniel, you
know from Love is Blind. I thought you just were saying, like,
you know, there's more than appearances there, not that he
has a bad appearance, but he was a little worried
about it, and he got it done. In the end,
he won that Seaton.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
He overcame the barrier and shout out to all the
short kings out there. If you were on reality TV,
do not mention that you're short, because they will play
it because other people don't see being short the way that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Short he led with it. He could have not led
with it. But the love is blind.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Producers were like, always insecure because he's short, because we
don't like short people, so we'll make.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Him damn wow. Patrick, always sticking up for the groups
that are unfairly treated. And we appreciate your support.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Patrick, you for being a speaker for the shorts.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The Raiders signed Raheem Moster, the man their backfield does
not look great on paper. He didn't look one hundred
percent for most of the last year. Definitely a red
flag that the Dolphins let him go. The Commanders signed
another former Patriot, Dietrich Wise. They also had brought in
Jonathan Jones. kJ Osborne is on that team, by the way, too,
They brought him back. Speaking of Patriots former Patriots, the
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Patriots released David Andrews, one of the few guys left
from a few Super Bowl winning teams. He was a
rookie I think the year before they they had the
twenty eight to three comeback, a great longtime Patriots. Sounds
like he's going to retire. They got a lot of
people to put into that Patriots Hall of Fame. But
I suspect David Andrews will be there eventually, a team
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captain from very early in his run. And then the Eagles,
they keep picking at the margins. They got a lot
of dead cap money, they got a lot of contracts
to worry about. I thought they'd be a little more
aggressive and free agency. See if there's a trade. They
did sign former Patriot josh uch.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Just getting getting value.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We gotta we gotta find out where the where the
meat of this goes.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
But yeah, josh Uja is your dude. I just well
when he did, you know, Needle not necessarily move, but no,
not moved. But it's similar to AJ Dillon landing in Philadelphia,
which is that if these guys are ever gonna get
it done again at the NFL level, they found the
perfect spot. I mean, if if can't be a situational
pass thresher with the Eagles, he's not gonna be able
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to get it done. He's had a very strange career.
Reportedly turned down a lot of guaranteed money last year
to stay with the Patriots and then couldn't get on
the field that consistently, which was a theme of his
time in New England. But he did have that, you know,
one year and if you look at pass rush, you know,
production per snap over the course of his career, it's outstanding.
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And yet teams haven't really trusted him. He went to
the Chiefs and couldn't get on the field for them.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Well, this is the spot for it.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
This is the rotational spot in that Fangio defense where
you know they're cycling guys in and out of the line,
and if you have to deliver on eight pass rushes
and he's a very efficient pass rusher, you know, there
you go, here's your eight snaps.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yep. Maybe taking that Bryce hoffspot, although he's still there
making like twenty million dollars a year. I think that's
one of those contracts it's just not worth even cutting.
Just see see how he shows up to camp and
see if he's better, because he's shown a level that
made them give him that money. Then and see if
he can get better. And if camp really doesn't go well,
maybe he doesn't make that team. Alexander Madison, the running back,
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helps to replace Raheem Moster in Miami. And the Titans,
who have been making a decent amount of moves. They
signed Draymont Jones, the defensive lineman who's a bit of
a free agent bust for the Seahawks for ten million dollars.
We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
we're gonna listen to a little sound from some of
the players in new spots, and we're gonna go back
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and forth and choose some teams we'd like to see
a little more. For me, it's like, show me something
a little more open up that component. Back on NFL Daily,
I asked what phase of free agency this is. It's
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the one where the big names who were signed are
now showing up and you got four or five different
Patriots holding up jerseys. Robert Splane's got a fourteen. Milton
Williams I liked, was just like kind of wearing an
old polo, you know, don't get dressed up. What the
(25:40):
it's a nice polo?
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Was fine.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Let's listen to some of the comments that we heard
with players showing up in their new spot, and we'll
start in Seattle where they obviously made the big move
that they got to be right about Sam Darnold, let's
hear from him.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, I think you.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Know, first and foremost. I think maybe Clint could talk
a little bit more about that in detail, but I
know it. Foundation is the run game and we're gonna
we're gonna run the rock. I know Clint's big on
running the rock and you got to do that and
building that off of play action keepers and dropping back
when you have to.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, yeah, that's what you want to hear from the
guy who just gave fifty five million dollars guaranteed too.
What do you do well, Sam, Well, we got to
run the football.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I think the issue is because it was asked about
how he is going to excel in the offense.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sure he still said, like, oh yeah, the running game's
gotta be.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Sam quickly quickly provided the correction like, hey, you should
ask the offensive coordinator these questions. I'm Sam Donald, But
if you're asking me about the offense, Clint likes to
run the ball.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But I'm saying today that I'm Sam.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I go out there and I execute whatever because I'm yeah,
I'm one hundred million dollars, Sam darl.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm the type of quarterback that you got to build
a great running game for. So I'm not gonna work.
Oh no, sorry, the Hive has destroyed Greg. Yeah, it's
gonna rip Sam Donald apart seventeen. It's not an inspiring
way to answer a question. Although Darnold was beloved in
Minnesota and never strikes you as a guy who's gonna
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have inspiring quotes or speeches, but beloved by his teammates
throughout the NFL.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I think it was fine. Kenny Pickett is a Cleveland
Brown that kind of slipped under the radar, and this
for good quote from him caught my eye.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I just think it's a great opportunity to go compete again.
That's really all you can ask for, and that's what
I was told here. You know, coming in here, I'm
having an opportunity to compete again. So I'm very excited
for that. But do you view myself as a starter?
You know, I'm sure they're going to bring in another
veteran and who knows what else, But you know, I'm
just excited to be here and compete with whoever.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
M who's it going to be Kirk. I don't like
the idea that he if Kenny Pickett's competing to start,
I don't know if that's going to happen, but he
thinks it's gonna happen. Yeah, he's a competitor. I like
that out of Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I do feel because I feel strongly that was going
to be Kirk Cousins early on. The longer it takes,
the less likely I feel it is. I feel like
it if a trade were to happen, we're gonna we're
kind of losing the momentum on that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, it could happen after the draft or something like
that though. That's what the the insiders are saying. Kirk
wants to find make sure that they're not going to
draft a quarterback over the top of him. I think
he's lost that he has no trade classe, he has
a no trade class. He kind of does have that privilege.
It's crazy, but it's true. Yeah, I guess. I mean, right,
(28:34):
he could exercise that and they could say, well, we're
not going to wait a round for you. That's that's
a potential way that the a team like the Browns
could push him on that. But he does have a
no trade class.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I did see his strategic move where he wanted to
talk to to mister blank right, and then that didn't
pan out, and then he was in the Oval office
what felt like moments later, like posing up with with Don.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
We really yeah, I didn't know that. It was like
one story immediately to another.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's like, okay, there's there's a strategy. I guess we'll see.
We'll see what Kirko chains comes up with. I guess
masquerading all that culture only meant so much to some people.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
That is funny. Uh, you're breaking news to me. I
love that. Joey Bosa speaking of guys from political families,
let's listen to him in Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Really enjoyed my years in LA but coming to a
team back like you know, the Ohio State days where
you're really living in a football town with an unbelievable
fan base, it's it's really got me excited.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Was a shot at Los Angeles maybe a little one,
A little one, I get it. I mean the Chargers.
You shouldn't be taking any shots at their fans, and
I don't think that's what he meant. But Joey Bosa
nothing else. He's a football guy. Yeah, and so maybe
he wasn't feeling that love up there with real football people,
(29:58):
unlike the people here are fake. No, we're there's a
I mean, look, Chargers fans, they're real ones, and a
lot of them.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I think so. I think Joey Bosa is the persons
that come.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
He was a San Diego Charger and so he knows
the heartbreak that those fans had and a lot of
them have traveled up to the games and whatnot. But
it's not I wouldn't say the Chargers have overtaken the
city in the sense that, like you know the city
that you feel that you feel the buzz around La
about the Chargers as much as maybe Joey Bosa wants, well,
(30:32):
he's he'll feel it in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
He's found He's found his place.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
He says, they will love him there. DeVante Adams spoke
to the Rams and as of this taping, for some reason,
the video is not available literally anywhere. It's true. I
can't believe it. I'm sure it will be later, but
we will show a beautiful picture that our colleague Jordan
Rodrigue took herself very professional and I like the item
(30:59):
of news that she put out there on Blue Sky.
Not not a great look for Eric who put this
together that he's not following Jordan on Blue Sky. It's
asking I'm not on Blue Sky.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I actually get a little annoyed when you send me
Blue Sky stuff because I'm like, I have to go
like it's a weird crop.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, then just sign up for it, at least to
help your job.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I do have your Blue Sky up on a permanent
tab on my computer.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'll give you that. Now you're going out of your
way to not It doesn't matter. What's the last app
you put on your phone? What's the last monopoly?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Monopoly?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, it's at this point, right, it's part of the job.
Sometimes I'm going to be asking, well, the links where
Jordan is tweeting, you're open your settings, how much storage
space do you have?
Speaker 7 (31:41):
The links work? Greg, It works. It just I don't
need the app on my phone.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It hurts my eyes to see plus follow in the
corner of the of the graphic, which people can check
out by the way, I phone storage on YouTube twenty
four gigs keeping twenty five. All right, can we have
the graphic up and you check gears settings at the
same time? Sorry, So she told a great story or
(32:05):
Davante told the great story that Jordan relayed about how
Sean McVay narrated and detailed highlight cutups of DeVante's game
as he was recruiting him, about ten minutes worth of
highlights in McVeigh content. I want that content, And Adam
said it was a big factor, just like how clear
(32:27):
it was that that they really wanted him and having
a vision for it, like I would love to watch
that ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
And I bet that it wasn't something special that Sean
McVay had to do.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I bet he just had one.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I bet he had a Davante Adams cut up that
he had narrated already.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Stuff. I don't know. I feel like that would be narrating.
I'm sure he has cutups, but why would he be narrating.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think it was a cut up And he pulled
it up on his phone, hit voice memo and was
like right into it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I mean, that's your idea. I know. There was negotiations
between Sean McVay and Amazon. Reportedly he could have made
ten million dollars a year to have the job. That
ultimately went to why am I blanking out his name?
Curb Street, and that's how memorable Kirk's you know, broadcasting
(33:17):
for Amazon has been. McVay would have been amazing, But
he would make more than ten million dollars if he
just had his own YouTube channel of him narrating highlights. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
There would never be a question of if the video
would make it long enough to get to profit bbility
profitability like Sean McVay could yap, and it was not
even yapping from Sean McVay.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, it would just knowledge. You don't even need to
go to the studios. You don't need to fly around
the country if you do a ten minute video McVeigh
on your own YouTube page three or four times a week.
You saw what it did for Gruden. Mcveay would blow
that out of the water. Watch out, Brett Coleman trying
to think of who else does that on YouTube? Watch out?
(34:03):
All right, let's break down the teams that we would
like to see a little more from. So it's just
frequency is not over. There's gonna be a lot of
players that are signed and traded for between now and
the season, starting even now and the rest of the
month that have big impacts on the twenty twenty five season.
So it's far from over, but I think we are
at the point there's not a lot of signings happening
(34:25):
right now, not a lot of players left in the
top fifty, that there's a few teams out there that
we can point to and say, like, I want to see,
what can you do a little more? We're at we
need a little more from you. Why don't you get us?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Go on?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Patrick, I would like to start with the team that
we mentioned earlier. They decided to honor the contributions of
Adam Thlen. I think the Carolina Panthers could do a
little bit, really be a little bit more aggressive to
the extent that they were last year. We saw the
improvements that they made on the interior, and I know
Adam Thielen's contributions have been great that youth. If you're
talking about addressing other spots of receiver through the draft,
(34:58):
they're good there. Let's get Bryce another veteran target with
the ones that are available. I just feel like it's
an obvious move.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
The wide receiver market has been slow to materialize for
a lot of these guys, so in terms of name value,
they are the best players out there in terms of
Amari Cooper and Stefan Diggs and Keenan Allen. There's got
to be some receivers that help teams. So that that's
well said, they have been active. I will give him
that pack.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I love Rico as a signing.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I think that's great, mostly on the defensive side, but
Tarron Morigg. They re signed Mike Jackson. They brought in
Christian Roseboom, the former Ram. They signed Bobby Brown, the
former Ram, Tshaun Warreon. So they have been spending a
lot of money, most of it on defense. They gave
Tommy Tremble a surprisingly good deal to come back. I'm
gonna go with the Bengals. They're outside free agents so
far are Sama, JP Ryan, who they're familiar with, TJ. Slayton,
(35:50):
which is just kind of a lottery ticket from the
Packers just see what happens. Oron Burks, maybe they just thought, well,
Aaron Burks has been in the Super Bowl, the last Championship,
DNA couple of years, but that's like a rotational special
teams guy, not going to be starting for you. And
then BJ Hill they brought back. That was their biggest signing.
(36:11):
If your whole offseason plan is just to save up
the money for Hendrickson and t and Chase. Like, if
you can execute that, I'll accept it. But it's also
not a route to get better those guys who are
already on the team.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, it's time to do more, but it can't just
all be arguing and fighting with the talent that you've
been able to recrue a.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Little more, and I think they will. They are kind
of a late in the game free agency type of team.
Baltimore is very often one of those teams.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Too.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Give me another one.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
A team that's back on this list after a great
offseason in terms of splashy acquisitions.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The Green Bay Packers, Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Went out and got it, got close to leading the
NFL in interceptions, a top five rusher and former rushing leader,
and here we've got Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs. There's
there's still this discussion about the impending breakup with Jyry
Alexander They you know, Miles Garrett got brought back to Cleveland.
There's still need to add a big spot where they
(37:13):
can create some sort of distance between the rest of
the league and the best of the league.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And they're just kind of there. Still Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I like that you're focusing too on one side, primarily
the offense, because I did think about that with a
few teams, like I guess you said Garrett, the defense
as well. But like the Seahawks and the Patriots have
mostly just got defense, they could go after offense, but
I didn't. But since they've been aggressive. You know, the Packers,
they signed two players from my top hundred and a
(37:41):
lot of people's probably top fifty in terms of you know,
Aaron Banks and Nate Obs. But you're not impressed. No,
I'm going to go with the team that kept Miles Garrett. Okay,
I actually think trading Miles Garrett would have made sense
if you could get good draft picks, and if it
somehow would have opened up space to fill more holes.
Because at this point, it's keeping Miles Garrett and then
(38:03):
Joe trying Chayanka you brought in for five million dollars.
Malik Collins keeps getting more and more money. Solid player,
but a lot of guaranteed money for him, and then
it's it's Pickett, it's bringing back Devin Bush hasn't been great,
and that's it.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So we talked about all of the moves they've made
currently makes sense. Yeah, the Tennessee Titans have seventy two
million dollars in cap space. I understand if you put
on drafting cam Ward number one. Overall, that's not an
excuse to not go out and try to acquire talent.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
It's just not They need to be in.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
More of these discussions and more of these conversations to where, yeah,
I know, you get into a bidding war. Dan Moore's
still fifteen million dollars, Like, there's no the money needs
to be spent. That's why it's there, so go spend it.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Okay, they've tried. They brought in Harder Zeitler. These are
some surprising picks from you, and that's why I like
having this exercise. We came up with three different teams entirely.
They signed Draymond Jones and Spas and Joseph David just
a couple. It just feels like no matter who's running
the Titans, they all have the same sort of players
(39:10):
that they bring in, Like Draymond Jones could have been
a Mike Rabel Titan, he could have been a who
is the GM that was with him? John Robinson GM
Titan and now he's here like two gms later and
they just signed the same sort of players. I'm going
with the Falcons. You gave Leonard Floyd a bonus. Leonard
Floyd at this point is diminishing returns. You gave pretty
(39:32):
good money to Devon Diablo. You gave Jake Matthews huge money.
I know he's never missed a game, but that was
kind of a cap procedure. They seem like they're paying
the piper for the Kirk Cousins deal, and they pushed
hard last year to bring in players, and I get it,
you can't every year, but I really think this is
(39:53):
them idiot because of the Kirk Cousins dead money that's
going to be on there.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, just trying to find Hllary books, having to pay
a premium for the bargain players where you still have
to acquire the talent, but you don't know if you're
going to be sitting there left at the end of
this game and musical chairs. So you gotta you feel like, oh, well,
we got to go here for Leonard Floyd, and we
have to do it now because otherwise we're we're still
sitting here with the Curse of John Abraham and having
(40:20):
nobody at the end.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, but he's not. He's not breaking the curse. Good player,
not breaking that curse. So those are six teams we
just we just want to see a little more from.
And I opened the show saying, if you wanted to
know what phase of free agency it is, it is
the phase of free agency where we have Russell Wilson
leaving the Cleveland brown Is facility in a big chevy suburban.
(40:46):
It looks like, is that what that is? What do you?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Let's see see if we get any logos there.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
He's not driving, which makes sense.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I think it was a range Rover.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I think it was too, So there we go.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Congratulations for us.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
That's fun. I don't really see him as a fit
in Kevin Sefanski's offense, but.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, and over the years I've developed questions about Kevin
Stefanski's offense.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
But this is this is the year.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This is the year that we find out and going
through that exercise, I'm kind of wondering as draft evaluation,
as player evaluation, has become more like centralized, Yes, did
you think that's impacting.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Free agency a little bit?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Where everybody has almost the same grades on everybody else
and we're seeing teams like reach for guys because it's
pretty much common thought about how everybody feels about every.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
In terms of the draft and how that likes free agency.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
How they evaluated these guys in the first place, and
how they've evaluated.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Them in the league. M just popped in my head.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I like that. That is a topic, honestly, we could
talk about on Friday on forties in free agency. Yeah,
that's that's you, and that's a you and DJ, me
and Daniel Jeremiah. I really appreciate all the feedback I
got from NFL Daily listeners and some new listeners picked up.
The reaction was awesome, and we are going to be
airing that show every Thursday except for this week. It
is coming out on Friday afternoon, so stay tuned for that.
(42:07):
I'm going to pose that do it to our our
draft guru.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, because a lot of those a lot of those
common thoughts are because people everybody listened to DJ, which
they should because DJ's voice you should listen to.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's true, I don't is there more common thought. That's
where I would interrogate him, like, is that a thing?
I don't feel like I'm in a position to know,
but I like that. I also like that Russell Wilson
is trying to force the hand of the Giants and
Steelers or whatever somebody should whatever he's doing in Cleveland,
because remember last year he went and visited the Giants,
but he invited himself there. I've never heard of such
a thing, Like he was like, can I come visit?
(42:38):
And it kind of spurred action with the Steelers. He
was sick of waiting around for the Steelers to make.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
The good somebody's being proactive.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, it's true. At least Russell Wilson does want to work.
He's just waiting. We're not waiting any longer. Big week
for Clay Bot. NFL Daily did work, NFL Network, he
did work.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Thank you, sir, because I got to do it with you, man,
that's what makes it big.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
It was a lot of fun. Look, when we're complaining
about the Bengals and the Falcons and they're off season,
that's when you know football is back seat ry.
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