Preseason and Camp Takeaways for All 32 Teams

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we didn't want to start
the show with Mike Washington News, but I think we're
gonna have to. I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm in my garage.
We're gonna hit all thirty two teams in this show,
going over the preseason Week two games, sometimes more importantly,
going over the joint practices, the injuries, the training camp battles.

(00:25):
Because not a lot of starters played in preseason Week two. Unfortunately,
one starter for the Las Vegas Raiders was practicing. Nick Schuk,
who is joining me as always on this Sunday evening.
Ashton Genty at Raiders practice did not sound good.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
The entire team knelt.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Prayed, practice ended, they turned the music off as he
left the field had to be helped off the field
after colliding with a teammate. That was on Sunday afternoon.
We don't know how serious it's gonna be, but it's
sounds very.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Serious, yeah, and obviously terrible news, or at least the
insinuation that's gonna be terrible news coming from and it really,
I think especially burns when you get to this point
in the preseason process, we have one preseason game left,
You're almost to the finish line and ready for the
regular season, and something that this happens on a Sunday
when you would be playing football during the regular season

(01:22):
for most teams. It just it's especially I think painful.
You hope for the best for genty and I mean,
on the bright side, the silver lining is that they
have Mike Washington this backfield. But this is the six
overall pick from last season who was stuck behind the
worst offensive line in the NFL and still had a
respectable season despite getting hit behind the line more often
than pretty much anybody in the NFL. Nearly hit one

(01:43):
thousand yards in his rookie year, and now this is
not good news.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
We appreciate everyone joining us live on YouTube on these
Sunday evenings. As you listen to this as a podcast,
maybe there's more information out there.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You mentioned Mike Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
He is someone I was planning to talk about in
this Raiders recap, talking preseason regardless, because for the second
straight week, this rookie running back really made the case
to have a big role in this backfield, regardless of
how healthy Genti was.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Let's take a look at one of his great runs and.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Off is to the rookie Mike Washington, who they love.
He's big, he's got speed, and he's down inside of
the twenty five and a touchdown saving tackle made by
Jalen Smith, but a big run by Washington of thirty
three yards.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
That is a wild run there, and it's one of
those where you just get bottled up. But the thing
I really liked about him is he combines like very
difficult to take down with an ability and I saw
this on some of the other runs too, to cut
at full speed. That was like a little bit of
a different run run, you know, yards after contact and everything.
But he's also shown a good ability to just go

(03:01):
and make people miss in a small area.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
You realize that, you know, he's a guy who's a prancer,
who's a runner, who has burst, who has excellent vision.
He's got those long legs that really hit the hole
and he takes off and you know when it comes
to Joe Buck getting excited in a preseason action that
somebody's got a little bit of juice, and that guy
is Mike Washington. Again, you don't like it when it's

(03:24):
coupled with genty and the news there, but I was
already excited to watch Mike Washington play football, and I
can't wait to see who what feature back Mike Mike
Washington might be for this Raiders team.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, and look, we don't know. Maybe the gent injury
isn't as bad as it sounded for the people at
the practice. But I did see a report from like
a team reporter there, you know, that's forty for the
team site. That just the way that they were speaking,
I think like a good scenario would be, you know,
something where it's a multi week injury, and that's like

(03:56):
maybe best case scenario, although you never know. Let's talk
about the quarterback in this game, Fernando Mendoza. So what
we're gonna do now, because there's big injury news with
the Raiders and the forty nine ers because they're already
back at practice on Sunday, We're gonna go in reverse order.
We're gonna hit all sixteen games, all thirty two teams,
and so we're gonna have to be concise shook to

(04:17):
get through the show in like under ninety minutes.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
We got a lot to talk about here.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's one of my favorite shows of the year, really,
and it's actually the last time we'll get together, like
this because the way they've moved up the schedule. Next
Sunday is Cut Days and the third preseason week is
kind of irrelevant anyway. So next Sunday we'll be talking
about Cut Day live. This is the last time we're
talking about the preseason and camp media access closes off
for all these reporters who have been able to tell

(04:42):
us what's happening on a day to day basis. Usually
that's either already closed off or it's gonna be closed
off by Tuesday or so, so we won't have as
much information to go off what we have to go
off with Mendoza on the field, Actually, I want to
get your thoughts so far eight for fifteen. He had
only eighty six yards pass in this game and a
pick six. What do you think about Mendoza?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I thought that it wasn't quite as sharp and as
confident as Week one, But in Week one they played
the Arizona defense that couldn't get a stop in that
game or the previous game in the Hall of Fame game.
At granted, it's preseason, but still this is a leveling
up by multiple degrees. Playing against Houston, who doesn't have
their starters out there, but still has a defined system,
culture and expectation that just raises the bar for that

(05:23):
holy defense and you could tell that you know Demiko
Ryan's defense given that there's backups out there, still kind
of made Fernanda Mendez a little uncomfortable. He looked frantic
in the pocket. He didn't look quite as sure of
himself as he did the week prior. We all saw
the interception the pick six. Wade Wood has taken it back.
That was because Mendoza was you know, late and stepping
up and threw behind his intended target.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
What has was there to pick it off.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
It wasn't terrible, but it was one of those reminders
that this is a rookie quarterback who you can't expect
to come blight the world on fire right away, even
if he has the number one overall pick. And another
good reminder that it's smart to listen to your coach
when he makes the public plea for a veteran quarterback
going in first season.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well, we'll see, am I am I biased that? Like
I've thought that Mendoza's looked better than his numbers, at least,
like I the lot in both games if you just
looked at the box scorer, you'd be like, eh, But
in both games, I was like, Okay, I see for sure.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Absolutely the first one.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I didn't even mind this one either, the pick six Mendoza,
the way he spoke about it afterwards, explaining what happened.
I just love how clearly he could explain it. And
he did not throw his running back, which is Mike
Washington in this case, under the bus.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But they were not on the same page. Like he thought.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Washington, you know, was gonna keep going, and he sat
down and it happens, and he was a little late
getting there. But part of the reason I've liked his
last couple of weeks is like that Washington was like
his third read in the progression, and I think he's
made quick decisions. I think he's gone through his reads quickly.
There was a third and long to Benson that was awesome. Benson,

(06:55):
Malik Benson killed another drive, you know, with it with
a drop and Troy Aikman's there. You can tell when
Troy likes the quarterback. Troy likes Bernana Mendoz like he's
just he's looking like an NFL quarterback. And then after
the game, Clint Kubiak wouldn't even declare that Kirk Cousins
was his starting quarterback, which I'm thinking man Ian Rappaport

(07:16):
and all our insiders everyone was saying, Oh, they're not
gonna play Mendoza all season long. And here we are
before the third preseason game and Kubiak won't even say
Cousins is his Week one starter. I'm like, what is
he scene? Behind the scenes? Now, we have an update
on that, which is on Sunday at practice. The reporting
from ESPN is that Kirk Cousins took the majority of
the first team reps. So there is every reason to

(07:37):
believe Kirk Cousins is the Week one starter. But if
you had a gut feeling that Mendoza is going to
be starting earlier in the season compared to later, I
think Kubiak, the way that he's talking and how things
have gone that supports my gut feeling.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
There's two things I want to point out here. At
number one, nobody likes to shovel coal into the fire
of drama more than you when it comes to interesting
football related drama. And you want to see this because
you like the juice behind it. And I get that,
and I'm on board with that. But the other thing
is is I like the way that Kubiak talked about
Mendoza after the game, which is that he said he

(08:10):
was really impressed by how well how prepared Fernando made
sure he was for everything, and that's what we saw
on the field in his first two games, was that
he was very prepared and knew exactly where to go
in each of the progressions. That difficulty level is going
to increase in the regular season. It's one of the
reasons why you roll with Kirk Cousins the start, just
to give yourself a better chance of victory. Maybe a
lower overall ceiling, but a higher floor than if you

(08:32):
throw out a rookie in week one. But I do
think that there's some serious smoke to this fire that
you're putting out there, which is that maybe after a month.
You know, I was thinking maybe like their bye weeks
super late, so like it's tough to do the whole
let's transition to him during the bye week, so I
was thinking maybe like four to eight weeks, But you
might be looking at like after a month, regardless of

(08:53):
how they play.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I'm also curious if the gent injury is serious, whether
they go pick up a veteran running back. Because as
much as I like Mike Washington, and if you told
me he's one A in a one B backfield where
they pick up like a veteran, you know I'm taking
Mike Washington. I'd have to look at the list, but
like sixth round in Fantasy League, fifth sixth round, Like

(09:17):
he's one of those guys you're making a face, But
he could just have an absolutely monster season.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, but this is still a semi rebuild offensive line
that was terrible last year.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
They still don't have anything at reak.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
People were taking top like ten, which was that's why
I made the face, because my face is, don't invest
in rookies.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
We have nothing to go off of in fantasy. Here's
what I'm going off.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Shook like seven runs in the preseason that I really got.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Excited about it. I'm on board, But no, sixth round
might still be lit.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And I'm telling you a couple of the runs that
didn't make the highlight reel where he picked his way
through through the line at at full speed.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
We're part of the reason.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, enough of that and you do start to think
and we'll talk about it as this week goes on,
You're gonna be with me on Wednesday, and that's gonna
kind of be a look ahead of like who could
be traded, who could be cut? A show like that,
and I will start thinking about the veterans that might
make sense there, Like would they would they want.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
A Tyler l Zier from Atlanta?

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
That might be a little expensive. Would Josh Jacobs ever
make sense? Probably not with the suspension looming. I'm just
thinking out loud, let's let's keep going because we got
a lot of teams to get to. Trey Tucker, by
the way, lining up as their number one one receiver
didn't play in the preseason game. Jalen Taylor's Jalen Naylor
rather is a pretty clear number two right now. And
I saw the rookie Jermond McCoy out there with the

(10:38):
third string. The Texans were also in this game. They
played their starters for the first drive of the game,
and God exactly what they wanted. Very sharp. The running
game looked awesome. Woody Mark, so I think was underrated
last year, looked great. The offensive line ran blockwell.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
C J.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Stroud, who's out there with here are the starters, Zavian Hutchinson,
Jared Wayne, and sixth round rookie Lewis Bond was also
out there playing wide receiver because they sat in Nico
Collins like they need a wide receiver in the worst way.
But c J stroud perfect on the day, they got
a touchdown, got off the field.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
It's what you like to see. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I was refreshingly impressed by that offense, if that makes sense,
primarily because of the running game. You kind of have
to take over with a grain of salt given that
they're facing the Raiders in the preseason. But I liked
that they were very much about their business. CJ looked comfortable,
which I think is very important. I know, again it's
preseason fail defense and everything else, but like, there was
a play, I think it was third down where CJ

(11:36):
looked like he was going to take off and then
right before he cleared the line of scrimmage, dumps it
off for a first down, and I was like, Okay,
there's the improvisational, you know, ability that has been lacking
at times with him. That's a really good sign. And
of course Woody Mark's you know, getting off to a
hot start, because like if we think about this team
in their backfield. Last year, it was all about Joe Mixon.
They lose Joe Mixon, suddenly it's Woody Marks and Nick
Chubby year away from retirement, and it's like everyone's like,

(11:59):
who's Woody Marx. I did watch USC football and he
gets a higher workload than he ever probably anticipated and
was impressive. You're right underrated, But now that he's in
that second season, he's got his feet underneath them as
an NFL running back. He ran hard. I love the
way he finished off his touchdow run, running over some
defenders across the goal line. It was a very encouraging
start from this offense. But you're absolutely right. They need
help at receiver, which we kind of already anticipated.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, and you know some of these guys like who knows,
maybe sixth round pick Lewis Bond will be a factor.
They're kind of high on Jared Wayne, who's been around
on that team now for three years, and he'll be
a factor. They signed Zay Jones and Sterling Sheppard. Sterling
Shepard might still have some snaps left in them. They
also inquired, according to Aaron Wilson, who covers the team

(12:42):
locally locally on Kayshawn Boudy and Rashad Bateman. Kaishan Boody
would make a lot of sense on this team.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
So do you think this is a team that's a
candidate to scoop up whatever's left on the scrap heap
or came off, Yeah, from the scrap heap from the
Giants and them figure out their receiving positioners that too
low grade for them.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right, Like, when we're talking about these trades, someone like
Kaishaon Boody, to me, what would the point be for
the Patriots to trade him unless they're getting like a
third or a fourth that moves to a third under
certain conditions, Like why not just keep kaish On Boody.
But if we're talking a little lower, like, yeah, Darius Slayton,
could you get Darius Slayton for a sixth?

Speaker 5 (13:21):
You probably got a lot of reps this week, by
the way.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know, you probably could get Darius Slayton for a sixth,
or like Darnell Mooney for a fifth, sixth, swap whatever
it is. You're right, those are the sorts of trades
that the Texans will probably make. All right, let's move
on to the forty nine ers. Now they kill the
Chargers in the preseason game. What's more interesting to me
here is that Christian McCaffrey returned to practice on Sunday.

(13:47):
He did some team drills, not many. They're bringing him
back slowly, but he's out there individual drills.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Nick Bosa still hasn't really practiced or even gotten close.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
He is getting closer to a return.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
He's doing some individual drills, but at this point I'd
be shocked if he's ready for Week one. Personally, George
Kittle activated from the pup list. There is a chance
he could play week one, according to our guy, Ian Rappaport,
a reporter for CSN Bay Area. Matt Mayoko thinks week
two so he doesn't have to make the long trip

(14:21):
to Australia is more likely for George Kittle, but either way,
he's off the pup list. He's doing some individuals, some
seven on sevens. He's warming up. And the thing that
is most interesting to me is Christian McCaffrey said it
was his plan all along to sit these ten days
of practice that they were. It was the plan to

(14:42):
practice ten days, sit for ten days, have your coach
not say anything about it, and then return, which I
actually kind of believe Christian McCaffrey because what that does
shook It just means that Kyle Shanahan was lying to
us the last couple of weeks, which actually I will
buy that.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Would actually side with that as well.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Now, and you have to go back to Kyle Shanahan's
history because if you look at what he's done over
the last few years, he has prided himself on running
one of the toughest daily you know, and weekly practice
schedules of anybody in the NFL. And the Niners have
taken a lot of pride in being tough and being
because they run their practices harder, that they've built that
callous and that it's a different level out there than

(15:23):
it is, you know, with other NFL teams. So I
could see him taking that approach and not being like, yeah,
I'm giving my one guy ten days off in.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Order to maintain equity among players.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
But with Christian McCaffrey, it makes so much sense because
this is a guy who got hurt a few times
in Carolina and it's basically established a reputation for overtraining
during the offseason, which then contributed to him not finishing seasons.
It's not that he's avoided injury with the Niners. We
know what happened two years ago, but at this stage
in his career, coming off of a pretty high volume season,
it makes a lot of sense to take a week

(15:56):
and a half off when you're able to do it.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, so they late this preseason game, and it's a
great sign for Christian McCaffrey. I don't know if that
was it. Maybe it was contract related, who knows. They
said it was not contract related. And the good thing
is he's back. So I still don't want no part
of him in fantasy leagues. Don't twist it like, but
it's a much better situation. For instance, if you are
drafting in fantasy today than it was five days ago,

(16:21):
you at least feel like it's optimistic. I think he's
going to struggle to have a great season regardless. Going
to be more about the passing game, including DeShawn stribbling
four catches forty six yards. He did drop a touchdown
from Mac Jones in this game. Yeah, but appreciate the
folks in the comments who are jumping into the strip club.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
We're in the strip club. We're in it.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know about offensive rookie of the Year, but
I think he's going to be active. I don't love
that he hurt his shoulder in that game and then
sat out practice Saturday, but he was already back at
practice on Sunday with a non contact jersey. Mike Evans
also back at practice on Sunday and reportedly didn't finish
the practice after Like they are really playing it safe

(17:07):
at this point. I think this is just what they're
doing with Mike Evans, which which is fine as long
as you get him to Week one. But Stribbling is
my favorite to be second on that team at least
that receive a wide receiver in receptions if we get
a healthy George Kittle season. Obviously Kittle will go ahead
of him. McCaffrey I think could be a shaky fantasy pick,
not just because he's not going to play as well

(17:28):
this year and have fewer touches, and I think he's
a big injury risk. Could they actually use a backup
running back finally shook more often. Kaylon Black, their third
round pick, looked pretty good in the preseason game. He's healthy,
had some good pass pro reps, had some juice in
the backfield. He's really impressed the forty nine ers reporters

(17:48):
in practice, and he is healthy again, that's good news.
I think for the forty nine ers to have a
number two behind McCaffrey that you can trust.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
It's yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
In the context of this a little strange because we're
basically talking about, like, hey, keep an eye on the
backup because the starter may get dinged up or not
see as high of a volume as you would expect,
and the starter is a star. But I think that
this offense at running back in receiver is the ideal
situation for a younger backup to step in and find
himself in a bigger role. Stribbling being the case because

(18:19):
is Christian Kirk even going to make this team at
this point? He hasn't been able to, you know, been
really been out there. So like you slide in alongside
Mike Evans, a Deebo Samuel suddenly you're number two, but
number three. But you're also you have attention being paid elsewhere,
so you're gonna get your opportunities. The same thing could
be true for Black. Where McCaffrey's off the field, we're
not worried about the running back as much. Oh wait,
there's Black making a difference, and we know that he
has the juice from what he's done this preseason.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
So I love the potential for like sneaky depth, I.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Guess is the way to describe it with this team,
because it'll it'll reinforce them overall and make them a
stronger offense than I think some people might even expect,
even with the forty nine ers reputation, because you're thinking
about how some of these guys may you know, miss
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Of time, right, and like I think use Kaylen blackmore
often when McCaffrey's healthy. And then also, yeah, you have
you have a good backup if he does get hurt.
The Shanahan has talked over and over about wanting to
do that for McCaffrey. Have a comment here that it's
the first time joining the YouTube, and uh no, that
is not at all how I expected Nick Shook to look.

(19:17):
I mean, I've tried to talk about Nick as he's
the bouncer at the strip club.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, I am. Have you ever worked as a bouncer
like you should?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I actually have worked security too late about seven years ago.
I worked security for a little bit, but I actually
somebody who was funny. I was out in Cleveland like
a month ago, and somebody just came with me. He goes, hey,
I'm a rapper. I want you to work security for
my shows. And I said, I have enough work to
do already, but thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
We are getting Chuk's work in here. He's right, and
he's doing power rankings. He's on NFL daily all the time.
He's gonna be on NFL channel all the time.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Like, forget it.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
You're too smart shook to you know, not that security
guys aren't smart y.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
You think you've got a good view of how I look.
Now you wait, you a couple of weeks, James, You wait,
Let's go to the Chargers. First of all, big joint
practice win. We're still deciding who wins the joint practices.
It was a I think it was a one day affair.
Some of the teams did the two day joint practices
this week, and unfortunately it was the day that Tyler

(20:20):
Biattish suffered what now we know as a season ending
ACL injury. They put him on injured reserve their center
and we did talk about that on the show, you know,
after it happened. That was the joint practice day. It
was reportedly the best day that the Chargers offense had
all camp. That they went up and down the field
on the forty nine Ers, so they get the joint
practice win.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Their backups for the most part, were awful in the
game forty nine Ers win forty one to seventeen, but
Justin Herbert only played one series. It ended up being
only three plays. Steps yeah, because he went deep on
third down. They didn't hit. Didn't happen. Really good news
on the injury front other than Biadash on Sunday, Trey

(21:02):
Harris back at practice, their receiver making a bunch of
catches a key Messidor back at practice. Their first round
pick missed close to a week but reportedly looked awesome
on Sunday, according to the ESPN Chargers reporter Chris Ryme,
so he's back and healthy. And then the biggest news
Rashaun Slater not taking every rep as the starting left tackle,

(21:25):
but did take team reps, the first first team reps.
That is the first time Slater has practiced since the
very beginning of the month, maybe even late July, so
that is a big step for him. Quentin Johnston Brennan Thompson,
their two receivers are both hurt. Thompson got hurt in
the game. I don't know how serious either one of those.
So it's not all good news when it comes to

(21:46):
the Chargers, but at least trying to give some good
news in terms of the injuries. Slater is huge, and
I think Chargers fans came out of this game a
little panicked, shook because when the starters were in and
now this starters include second round pick Jake Slaughter.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
He's the new center.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
They drafted him as a backup at center and a
starter at guard. He is now the starting center, even
though he hasn't been playing center all camp. In that
first drive, the interior line did not play well. When
they stayed out there a little longer, they didn't play well.
David and Joku got blown up on a as a
blocking play. The offensive line, especially on the interior, is
still a bit of a concern.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
That this and all the optimism with the Chargers' offense
is all going to revolve around how well that five
can play, because if you even if you have your
healthy tackles, if your interior three are bad doesn't really
matter that much. Like last year was the inverse, the
interior three were like average, the tackle play was bad
because you lost your starting tackles. And this is why

(22:45):
the beiattish injury hurts so much because of what you
just described. Do you have to kick Slaughter back over
to center, which is what he played in college but
wasn't playing here. You have to turn to guys like
former high pick for the Patriots Col Strange to play
right guard. Aw, Shehika's at left guard. Like there's a
lot of uncertainty, Like if you just scan this depth
chart and think about it on paper. I just did
it as you were, you know, bringing it up, and

(23:07):
I'm thinking, hmm, oh, buddy, I don't know. I theyk
got Trevor Penning a is a backup. We know what
his journey's been like, and it's just like, oh, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Can I interest you in a little Trey Pipkins I
think took the first.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
No, No, you can't. I've seen enough of the left
guard to charge.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
So a wa, sika is seems like he's the favorite,
but it could be Trey Pickens either way. I even
as a Herbert fan, as it stands now, I don't
think there will need to be the same excuses as before. Yes,
col Strange could turn out to be a bad free
agent signing and the interior could struggle.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
All your points are correct.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
If the tackles are healthy and the weapons that they
have in year three, like I think they got enough
to overcome it. I don't think he'll need the excuses.
It's different when the entire offensive line is a disaster
because you don't have those two tackles and you don't
have the weapons. And we'll see Lad McConkie's healthy, Like,
we'll see. I'm not giving him any excuses. Look, they're

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good enough that Ronde Gatz than their rookie tight end,
is their third tight end right now.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Very clear play in the second half of that game. Yeah,
he is pretty clearly their their third tight end.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
All right, let's those were the Thursday games.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Since we started this way, We're just gonna go backwards
and go through the Friday games a little less on these.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
The Packers crushed the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
The Broncos have been outstanding in the preseason and they're Sean Payne.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
He was not happy afterwards.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
He likes to win in the preseason, but he feels
better about this preseason loss because when bow knicks was
out there and this was just for fans, probably the
best preseason game of the week because we got long
drives from bow Knicks and Jordan Love like real deal
players on both sides. We had Jordan Love picking on
Patrick Sartan for a couple of snaps. I mean, I
don't know about picking. They were like crossing routes and

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zone and everything. But Patrick Sartan was the man in
coverage on two gainers, so you just don't see that
too often. And Jordan Love not afraid to make those throws.
But let's start with the Broncos. Bo Nicks ten points
and two drives, had no pressure facing him whatsoever, had
a huge gainer to Jalen Waddle, had a great touchdown
throw on a wheel route to RJ.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Harvey.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Pat Bryant is clearly the wide receiver three. That's a
camp battle that looks over over Troy Franklin. Jonah Coleman
is a rookie running back, only had a few carries
because last week Sean Payton said I've seen enough of
Jonah Coleman.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
I know who he is. I like Jonah Coleman. So
Jonah Coleman is going.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
To have a factor a role on this team along
with JK.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Dobmins and R. J. Harvey.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I am drafting Jonah Coleman late in fantasy leagues and
you know, just kind of check the box for me.
For the Broncos in the preseason, even though they're they're
starting defense, did give up a long touchdown drive That.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Big Ganner to Jalen Wattle.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Was that classic welcome to your new town moment for
Jalen Waddle because the way the crowd reacted and the
way the broadcast crew reacted, oh, they were over the
moon to see him catch a pass for a big game, like, oh,
this is only the beginning, keep an eye on it
and it's going to be explosive. It was nice to
see bo Nick's back out there, healthy and doing what
he does best and not taking like I don't know

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three quarters given it's a preseason game, but you know,
to wake up like he was in a rhythm from
the beginning and that passed to Harvey. Great catch by Harvey,
but a dime on that wheel route. So it's good
to see this offense kind of, you know, in rhythm
and I wouldn't say a well old machine, but they're
in a good place.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Right now. But I do want to stand up for
Patrick Sutan for.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Just a second, okay, come because he was the man
in coverage and he did give up catches, but he.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Was out there hitting like it was the playoffs, Yes.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Flying around. At one point it nearly had a strip
after a catch. It looked like it was gonna be
a huge turnover. It did end up being a takeaway
for the Broncos. I was shocked that he was out
there that long. Frankly was long. Yeah, And I was like,
you know, all right, he's given up a couple of Look,
they're going after him.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Good for them.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
It's the preseason. It doesn't matter. I guess this is
the time to go after him. But I was like, man,
I didn't realize he was such a hitter.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Like, Okay, he's gotten more physical as his career has
gone on, and I think he's he's so tough. And yeah,
you you mentioned it was a slant to Christian Watson
might have been the first pass of the game by
Jordan Love and it looked like he forced a turnover,
but they ruled that that Watson was down on that play.
I love that we're just breaking down like play Sean

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Payton's one of the last old school coaches out there.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
He's playing his starters.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I p Sertan played a decent amount last week too,
and I think the defense, look, this is the best
defense in the league, or one of them, and they
don't mind.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
They did give up a seventeen.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Play drive, like you kind of don't want your starters
to be out there that long. It kept being third down,
fourth down penalties, and eventually the Packers moved the ball.
Jordan Love looked awesome, so did Matthew Golden, so did
Christian Watson made a couple of catches, one on the sideline,
so it was all great to see. And I love
Love just going for like the hardest pass possible. I

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think it was to Golden on either a third and
ten or a fourteen ten. Oh, and it's like, okay,
that's that's the Jordan Love I know and love so
bad news though.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
And the catch that Golden made too, which was like
down on his hip, and I was like, oh, good.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Hands, good hand, not just a burner, good hands, all right?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Can you tell that we're desperate to talk real football,
because like this was the most real football of the weekend.
We'll move on from most of these preseason games quicker
in terms of like the on field action. I did
want to mention Riley Moss hurt his rib in that game,
so he was definitely the starter. I thought that was
going to be a position battle there. Potentially, He's reportedly
had a great training camp. He had a very good

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season last year. We'll see how serious that injury is.
Marshawn Lloyd was the primary running back for the Packers
because Josh Jacobs has been out. He's supposed to be
back next week. We're still waiting to hear if he suspended.
Marshaon Lloyd. I think he looks okay, not amazing. If
Josh Jacobs was out, I don't know how I'd feel
about that Packers running game. Tucker Craft also not yet

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practicing on eleven on Eleven's and he mentioned he could
be on a snap count for a while, like it
might be a while till he's back one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
So just something to keep in mind with the Packers.
Let's go to the Jets.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I can't believe I waited this long to talk about
the resurgent New York Jets. Not only are we having
the Aaron Glennissance on defense, but Geno Smith with a
drive of the week. Let's listen to the call and
the shutout victory for the Jets.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
First and ten fall at the thirteen yard line. Smith growing, growing.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
Open man right there, it's going to be Jeelannie Woods
and Jeelanni Woods.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
It's in for a touchdown. They just put him into
the game and right.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Off, the Betsy out of the University of Virginia scores
the first points of this game on a very nice
drive engineered by Gino Smith.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's always tough when the Steelers announcers are the ones
that we get on NFL Network, and so he's so
unexcited when he should be through the moon on for
the seven for seven. What was it sixty five yard
drive that Gino Smith authored against the Steelers starters? It
was starters on starters, let's go.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I enjoyed to how he did one of those, Like,
I'm not excited about this. This was not a good
showing for the Steelers defense. So I'm gonna give you
the background on Jelawnie Woods so I can pass the
time until he kick there points.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Yeah, it was, it was an impressive drive.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
I'm actually kind of excited because we talked about this
in previous weeks where it was the Jets offense is
dominating their defense, that they must be back. And then
we get to the first preseason game and it's like, oh,
it's actually that defense is just bad, Like maybe it's
not the Jets offense.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
And then we get this this.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Week and you're like, oh, all right, now we're kind
of back towards the center, and this is why we
need the regular season to get here tomorrow so we
can actually get some real.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Tests, right.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I very often have noticed a trend in preseason, which
is if one team is terrible one week, they always
come out and try harder the next week. And in
the preseason that's all you need, Like that's that will
carry you. I'm not into these things like people that
are getting into the preseason and picking the games in
Vegas and whatnot. You know, that's like that's another level.

(30:56):
People are in help. The Sharps are into it. But
like the Falcons, for instance, after what happened last week
with the Falcons, I was like, Oh, they're going to
come out this week and kill a team in the
preseason just because it's gonna They're just gonna want to
shut everyone up. But Gindo Smith, to be real, looked
more athletic on a throw out to his right that

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was improvised to Garrett Wilson. Then I think he's looked
for the last two years. He actually looked a little
bit faster. He also hung in the pocket on a
third down and delivered a really nice ball while taking
a hit. That's never really been his problem. His problem
is that those passes sometimes go in the arms of defenders,
like he'll always hang in there.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
But I thought he looked better.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
He knew where he was going, and it's a preseason drive,
but you at least feel good that. I think he
looks healthy. He looks a little fresher than he did
a year ago.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
The two most interesting things with this Jets offense this
year for me are going to be can Gino proved
that he was just stuck behind a terrible offensive line
last year, and then he still got it and can
Ady Mitchell capitalized on playing with Gino Smith. That's what
I'm paying the most attention to with this group.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think Adie Mitchell is going to have a big season.
He made plays here. He's been getting the most targets
of anyone but Garrett Wilson. I'm definitely going to keep
an eye on Kenyon sadekon Breese Hall. They're both overcoming injuries.
There's optimism they'll be back for Week one. We just
don't know. David Bailey, their second overall pick, has been
great in practices. He was very good in a brief

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stint last week with a pressure and in this game
he had a sack where he beat Broderick Jones the
tackle for the Steelers, so that was nice to see.
In fact, the Jets defense, I mean, this is where
I really know I'm being stupid. Five series this preseason,
zero points allowed. We're halfway to a shutout for the
Aaron Glenn defense. Can you mention who the Jets defense

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was facing at quarterback?

Speaker 5 (32:53):
I was Will Howard? Who was it last week? I remember?
I think it was some starters last week. You know,
I just want to.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Say anything anything that's done against the Steelers' offense on
Aaron Rodgers is on the field, take it with a
grain of salt, because it was working through that backup.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Hey, Look the Will Howard and Drew Aller played well
last week. This time, Will Howard got the whole game,
the whole first half.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Jue Aler got the second half. They both were rough.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
They It's so funny how the preseason is such a
liar even from one week to the next, because both
of them had awesome first preseason appearances. Howard I actually
thought looked he took a bad sack, they were punting,
but then.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
He the picks were bad. He looked like a.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Normal quarterback on these drives, and then the picks were
awful to endy drive, whereas Drew Aller just looked overwhelmed
and inaccurate and the offensive line unless.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Unless you looked at social media and you saw that
one throw he made out of structure downside at the
very end, he had one nice play, but he took
the set shot in golf that you have when you
finish your round and you're like, oh man, I stuck
that on the green and it keeps you coming back.
That was the Drew Aller experience in this game.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
There was a report from Jerry Duluk, who has covered
this team forever, that said his source reports that both
Aler and Will Howard are making the team. A very
interesting report to have a week before cut down day,
like Why is the team letting that be known. Maybe
they just don't want Will Howard and Drew Allard to

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be freaking out like or Will Howard specifically.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Maybe they think, no, they're they're driving the phone calls
for Mason Rudolph. Okay, but are.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
They really that comfortable with Mason Rudolph not being there?
If these are how the young guys look, I guess what's.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
The point exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
If you can get anything for Mason Rudolph, you just
just take it. Yeah, don't have a lot else on
this game. Jeremy Bernard and Roman Wilson are splitting the
wide receiver three debt reps, but as you can probably guess,
there wasn't a lot of offense here. Dylan cook Is
is probably this team's right tackle because their first round pick,
Max Ianachor is working his way back from an injury,
although he was seen I think did some things at

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practice last week. So could he get into the preseason
finale and finally.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Get that job.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
If not, it's a bad start to this draft because
they took Jennings Dunker and Ianachor so high in the draft,
and Jennings Dunker was a guard that everyone got excited
about because he doesn't have teeth and he's got long
hair and stuff. And I've seen some reporting that suggests,
like if he was not a second round pick, or
was he a third round pick, either way he was
a Day two pick, that he would not make this team,

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that he's like the fifth or sixth guard right now.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Mmmm, that he's And that's that's why we have to
be careful and about falling in love with guys with
long mullets and no teeth.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
They can't all be Cody Mock.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
They can all be Quinn minors, which he didn't have
exactly that combo, but people just love like the belly
and everything. Back in the day, he was very similar
Senior Bowl darling vibes, and he turned into an All Pro.
Speaking of not making the team, Caleb Johnson, you know,
the running back from a couple of years ago, taking high.
I'm not sure he's making this team. And we haven't
seen Joey Porter Junior in a while. I think he's hurt.

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Maybe he's holding in. Just keep an eye on it,
hashtag noticing important player for them for sure, but we
haven't seen him all month, and kind of Betton is
a guy who just popped in this preseason tape. I'm
just gonna keep an eye on him. They I think
they used him in a incorrect way in the past.
John Ledyard in his audibles and analytics Steelers podcasts have

(36:35):
been all over this that they kind of were trying
to have him like, you know, at the nose and
occupying blockers with the old staff. And now he's better
like being kind of a down defensive end and rushing
the passer a little bit in a three four And
they just gave him a big contract, which was really
interesting for a new staff. And there is a thought

(36:57):
that you get that contract done early because you think
this guy's about to have a monster season in a
role that makes sense. So he's a steadily improving player.
Nick Schup, I know he's a Midwest guy. You've probably
always had your eye on Keanu Benton.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Yeah. I have to a degree.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Their defensive line depth and the guys that they've tried
to add to this group over the last few years,
they haven't really hit on a lot of guys. There's
been a lot of players who are there for two three.
You know, maybe the rookie deal never quite rise to
the capability and production that they expect and then they
end up going somewhere else. Benton, I felt like flashed

(37:34):
in you know, last year, and was kind of moving
in that direction. So I think that you're right about
the contract coming now, trying to get ahead of it.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
But we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
We're at about a two and a half hour pace here.
I need to speed things up that it's in my head,
and I'm also thinking of the nightmare scenario. We got
some crazy weather here across the country. We're hitting triple
digits this week in la We got a storm rolling
in in Cleveland. So if we lose power for Shook,
I'm finishing this thing out with all my notes solo.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Sorry, the show must go on, Shook without you. If
you know, I know that you.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Are fully capable of doing a one man band show.
I do want to, but the rain is very loud
right now. Okay.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Convenient that the Panthers and Jags didn't give us a
lot to talk about in terms of their preseason game
thirty four to seventeen. The Panthers win. Bryce Young did
play two full drives. The Jaguars played deep backups the
whole time. Bryce Young had a quick punt on in
the first drive and then a touchdown on the second drive.

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They played five drives this preseason. It took them until
their fifth drive to get more than a first down,
but they did get a touchdown on that drive. Jimmy
Horn's been used a lot at wide receiver three Tetuo
McMillan and the slot made a big catch which I
like to see.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
And then Jonathan Brooks watch.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
We've been keeping an eye on this third year player
who's had injury. He's really ruined his career, and I
thought he had a little more juice this week. You know,
he looks the part. Not on the field on passing
downs much, but an interesting player to see his development.
Thought he looked a little more comfortable this week, had
one longer run and an interesting guy who might be

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the Week one starter Jonathan Brooks for the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, this is I think the Panthers preseason is an
interesting study in how your approach can maybe kind of
slow your start with your starters on offense, but also
can open the window for a guy like Jimmy Horn.
Declined the death chart because they have had very little
They didn't play any of their starters in the Hall
of Fame Game. They played Bryce and Company briefly last

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week and they did nothing. The offense didn't even have
any life until Kenny Pickett came in. I can't believe
I'm saying that in twenty twenty six. And on the
flip side, Jimmy Horns playing into the second half of
the Hall of Fame Game and now is in the
conversation for the top three.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Like, that's just how weird the preseason can be sometimes.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yep, and it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
It's not a good sign for them that they're looking
for wide receiver three that much. I think it's Xavier
Leget if he's healthy, but he hasn't been healthy for
much of his career, including the last week. Got another
joint practice victory to award it's the Jaguars. I'm gonna
say this was like a solid victory. If it was
a game, it was by like nine points, like not

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a blowout, but a two score win. The best practice
of Basil Tuton's career. According to our friend John Shipley
at SI dot com. The reason why I know it
was a good practice for the Jags is Liam Cohen
was like effusive about the running game afterwards, and they've
had a ton of injuries on their offensive line, so
the fact that the running game was mauling the Panthers

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that gave him the win. Their offensive line is very
much not set. But here's an item I haven't mentioned
on this show. Anton Harrison, who's played three years at
right tackle, is there left tackle this year has been
their best offensive lineman. They have moved him to left
tackle partly because of an injury to cole Van Lannon.
We don't know when he's gonna return, but when he does,
he's probably gonna be on the other side.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Right now, they're using Walker Little at right tackle.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
The rookie Emmanuel Pregnant is going to be probably a
starting guard, even though he was like eighth or ninth
on the depth chart, but because of all the injuries,
he's moved up and so a lot of uncertainty. Jacobe
Myers has a hand injury. They don't know how long
that's going to keep him out. Parker Washington is returning
to practice this week from an injury. And yet despite

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all that, the offense in general, it sounds like, has
been cooking at camp, and it's partly because of these
young guys.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
CJ.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Williams and Josh Cameron are two late round picks who've
been killing it in practice. It's what camp's all about.
They killed it in the preseason game and even with
Myers in Washington, in and out, like Travis Hunter has
had zero offensive team snaps in team reps in the
last few practices, that includes Sunday, And I got to

(41:53):
think at least it's a little bit because these younger
receivers are stepping up and we're like, we don't even
need Travis Hunter. Let's focus on making him the best
cornerback in the league.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
And I think that's the goal when you're building a
roster and you're getting through camp, is can we get
these depth guys to become contributors to the point where
we don't have to not stretch, you know, a player's limits,
but can we just keep him on the side of
the ball that we prefer him on instead of having
to have him as somebody that we rely on on
both sides of the field. And I mean, that's that's
an ideal situation for this team, especially.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
When you're dealing with so many injuries.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
If you can come in prepared with a group of
five that you feel very good about because of what
you saw in the preseason, then you're in a much
better place and you have every reason to feel good
about it. But I do actually think that a lot
of this does point back to Bagel Twoton, because this
is a guy who struggled with ball security early last
year and then you know, was playing a one to
B role behind ETN which is now eight chan by

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the way, still training my brain on that, and I
think that's been the biggest question mark with this group
because it's been a team filled with continuity. You know,
they didn't make a ton of moves, but he you know,
rises to the role of starter. He's got to have,
you know, a strong season and to justify that promotion
and also keep this offensive float. So while you get
good production from your deaf guys a receiver, you feel

(43:06):
good about that death. It really all does come back
to touton. It all comes back to whether you can
still be a balanced offense, especially with that offensive line.
The question marks so to come away from a joint
practice where the running game looks great, Yeah, if I
was Liam coneb be over the moon for twenty four
hours until we get back out there and test it.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Again, right, and then they get out there and the
backups were not great in the game, but they didn't
didn't play it. I don't really care, And yes, I
do think the plan is going to be to play
a lot of heavy tight end formations with this Jaguars team.
Bor Kirkscher reportedly had his best practice of camp on
Sunday too. That was according to John Shipley and Trevor Lawrence.

(43:44):
I thinks had a good camp and I'm really curious
to watch this team early. Let's get to the Saturday games.
Patriots get a last second scorer with like the deep backups,
twenty four to twenty one.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That was the good news.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Also, I'm awarding a joint practice victory for the Patriots
over the e and that's impressive because those are two
real deal teams.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
This was a two day joint practice.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I listened to a lot of coverage from both sides
because these are two of the teams I follow the
best and frankly have some of the best podcasts and
local coverage out there.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Step up other.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Cities if you think I'm wrong. It was really the
Patriots offense on the first joint practice day. That sounded
like it really lit up the Eagles defense in a
way that was more decisive than any other side. The
rest of the practices, I think on both sides and
on the second day sounded like it was good action
back and forth, pretty even. But Drake may Dobbs aj Brown,

(44:36):
it's been a drum beat that they've really gotten in
sync as camp has gone on. The bad news here
is Christian Gonzalez is still out. In the preseason game,
it was all backups, but the Eagles dog walked the
Patriots while it was the second team out there. The
first half of the game was like a joke. On
both sides of the ball. The Patriots were just getting
absolutely dominated and Mike Rabel was not happy about it. Afterwards.

(45:01):
This was a epic Mike Rabel press conference in general.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Here was a taste of it. Mike.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
Towards the end of the first quarter, you call a
timeout and you had the conversation with your defensive unit
on the side. So what did you see at that moment?
Maybe you will feel like a conversation with Eden.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
I saw a dog defense and I wanted to talk
to him, and I figured that.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
If I didn't call it time out, then I wouldn't
be able to get what I wanted to say off
my chest.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I love Rabel right now. He also said during the
same press conference, asking about some of what went in
the game, he just said, well, I don't think we're
very deep right now.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
We're not a deep team.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
No, that's fair because the way Britain Cobby took a
screen into the end zone and then Mike Rable's reaction
was not good.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
He just did one of those classices like.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
You gotta be freaking kidding me looks, And that fits
the whole why he called a time out. Yeah, I look, man,
this is still a team that overachieved last year, really
got there with a collection of some young guys, but
a lot of veterans that just you know, bought into
vabel system and maximize their potential. They're not a team
that's super deep, and it's also hard to be a
very deep team in the NFL on a quick turnaround

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like that.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yes, they've hit on so many free agents that that
is important, but the lack of young players that they've
drafted really shows up. If you look at this depth
chart at cornerback on the offensive line, edge defensive line
right now, their first round draft pick, Caleb Lomu. It
feels like it's kind of been a disastrous camp for him.

(46:33):
He would be tackle four right now and he has been.
But Marcus Bryant, who is like a seventh round er
a year ago, got hurt in this game. Lomo hasn't
looked good in practice. Hasn't, you know, looked good on
the field. You know, they hope they don't need him much,
but but they might. Kyle Williams never given up on him.
Roller coaster as always. He's out there. He's gonna make
the team. He's their third round pick from a year ago.

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But he doesn't fight for a couple passes you know
you could have I don't know if you would call
one to drop, but maybe. But then he hits like
a I don't know how long that touchdown was, but
it might have been like seventy yards time every catch
he has is a long touchdown. So if like every
time four times he catches the ball, it's like a
seventy yard touchdown.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
You know what you do?

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Shook, you're getting paid? No, you're that's true. You've thrown
the ball.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
More like that's like if if we go one for
four with a seventy yard touchdown every time, just like
throwing four passes, you know we gotta touch out.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
That's every series.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
The Tess Walker story. That's how he started his career
in Baltimore. It's funny because if you watch preseason, you
just watched the highlights, you have no idea that Kyle
Williams is up and down.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
You think he's having the best preseason of anybody in
the NFL right now because he does make big plays.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
It's just not consistent. Yeah, and he may.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I think last week he was good in the game,
but the practices Mike Brabls kind of talked about it.
It's certain plays that they talked about that showed up
again in this game. But then you know he has
something that no one else on that team has, which
is he can get loose right away off the line
of scrimmage and go deep. And I do think Kishon
Booty will be an ex patriot if they get, like,

(48:09):
like I said, a third, But I don't think anyone's
given up a third for Kaishon Booty. I don't think
it makes sense to trade a fourth form. But they
might get a fourth form we'll see.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I mean, I like the Texans connection because Casario's history
of them too that that feels like.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
They do it.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
But I would honestly rather have a year of Kaishon
Booty than a.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Four year crazy so greedy, you are so greedy, you
got enough. But there's this is a battle royality receiver here.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Here's why. How many fourth round picks do the Patriots
have on their roster this year?

Speaker 5 (48:42):
You know what I mean? Like?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
How many?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
How what are the odds of your fourth round pick
contributing to your team as much as Kaishon Booty does
in one season? Like maybe it's fifty percent, but I
don't know. At least I know what I got with
Kashon Boody. You're trying to win games right now.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Let's go to the bunch of Kashan Boody contributating with
A J. Brown Romell, he'll contribute plenty. I think he'll Williams.
I think he'll be a key. Kyle Williams is like
wide receiver. Yeah, I think case somebody will help this team.
And you never know, like if A J. Brown gets hurt,
you know he's had some injuries, like he would be very.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Valuable Jonathan Grenard could be out into the season, according
to Vic Fangio, who is like press conference all Star
just says what he wants. The Eagles ends said anything
about Grenard, but Fanjo keeps saying, yeah, he might not
be out until the season. He also described the guy
Ty Robinson. I don't know if you're familiar with Ty
Robinson after last week he had a sack in the
preseason and Vic was like, yeah, that was good to

(49:36):
see because he's been on life support here.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Because he had one this week too. This weack, ever,
it was it was like a delayed stunt where he's
just like.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Kind of in the interior lineman's pads, just like not
really doing anything, and then he lets go as the
stunt arrives and crushes that guy and he wraps around
and gets the sack, And I was like, who's ninety five.
It's Ty Robinson, the guy on life support.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I think I think he had another half sack in
the game where it was actually a better rush if
I'm remembering correctly, and two guys got there.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
But just cracked me up that Vic Vinjo said that
out loud.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Injury wise, the Eagles, Yeah, their running game reportedly looked
really good in that first practice with the Patriots joint practice.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That's good to hear.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
With Saquon Barkley McKay lemon working his way back, we
don't know when he's going to be one hundred percent.
He's closer to getting back on the field, but you know,
I think it's pretty clear Dontavian Wick's is wide receiver too.
Right now, DeVante Smith is practicing again. Their second round pick.
We keep continuing some of the same stories, but I'd
like to reinforce it for people who are joining and
say that they're continuing Eli Stowers their second round pick

(50:42):
at tight end. I don't think is gonna have any
impact with this team. Their lines are deep. That's why
their backups dominated the Patriots. I've heard some negative things.
Jimmy Kemski was one of them at Phillyvoyce dot com
that maybe Lannon Dickerson has been kind of the one
guy who's struggled a little bit new system, had a
lot of injuries. Might not be the same guy that
he used to be. We'll see, just something I'm watching.

(51:05):
I'm also watching Andy Dalton's think in the preseason. I mean,
I know Tanner McKee is like not the best quarterback
in the world. But I think any Dalton went three
for ten in this game, so we can we end
this quarterback battle and no one's trading for Andy Dalton.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, yeah, the only problem is that when they played
Tanner Ckey last year, he was a disaster and it
completely tanked the value that he'd built the preseason.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Sure, but just I'd rather have Tanner McKee than Andy Dalton,
so cut.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Any Yeah, well at this stage, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Lions beat the Commander seventeen to thirteen. I was excited
to see Jadon and Daniels play football again.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Shook and right. I got three plays.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
One of them included dj Wanham sacking Jaydon Daniels, who
just kind of stood there for a ten yard sack.
And then they ran on third and twenty and then
the drive ended and Terry McLaurin went into the blue
medical tent.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Hmmm, yeah, everything is perfectly fine. That still wasn't the
worst drop back of the week. I think that belonged
to Jake Brown. And you dropped back about twenty five
yards before getting sacked.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Uh, this is a weird situation for the Commanders. And
I've heard a lot of this from Commanders fans who
didn't like where I put him in the power rank.
He's to start.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
There's just a lot of things that they're still figuring out.
I mean, you are in the preseason. It is a
small sample size, and Jayden's coming off of multiple injuries
and everything else. But all those good vibes from a
couple of seasons ago, they're gonna have to really dig
to bring them back.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I'm not going to overreact to three plays. I don't
love the Terry McLaurin knowing I don't think it's serious.
It didn't sound like it was serious. It's just like
three plays. This is the guy who's really struggled to
stay on the field lately, so you're concerned. Treylon Burke
started for them and actually stayed on the field when
Stephan Diggs went off the field, like on a running down,

(52:54):
Stephan Diggs in the slot. So you got to some
clues here about how they're going to use players. Both
Bill Krossky Marra and Rashad White, the running backs were
hurt in you know before, and so they didn't even
play in this game. And then Johnny Newton is a
guy was really excited about as a draft prospect defensive
tackle who just has not been able to stay healthy
as a pro. He has a torn pectoral muscle. He's
going to be out a long time. Sam Laporta could

(53:16):
be out a while. This one really slipped under the radar,
Like was this made a bigger deal at any point?
Like Dan Campbell on Thursday said he's not sure if
Sam laport is going to be ready for the season.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I was like, did I miss this in like the
ESPN NFL dot com stacks? Maybe I did, and I
just caught it on Sunday. But that's that's awful news
there for a team that's had his share of injury
news this this preseason.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
That that missed him last year too. It's uh.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I think it's slipped on the radar because it just
wasn't a big talking point earlier. And but the Lions
have been kind of quiet throughout preseason anyway, which is
usually the mark of a team that's like, Yeah, we
know what we're doing, We're about our business, we're getting
ready for the race season.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
But when things like this pop up, you're like.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Oh no, it's kind of like what happened with Cade
Mays like that takes a little bit of the good
vibes out of there too, because that was a huge
addition at center. They lose him for an extended amount
of time, and suddenly I got worried about the offensive
line again. So there's some slight reason to be a
little unsettled going into.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
The regular season. Dispoint for Lions fans.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I think they're a team that should be better later
in the season than they are at the beginning because
of the Cad Mays injury. Laporta I'm a little worried about,
and then most importantly, the two safeties Brian Branch and
Kirby Joseph. We have no idea how they're going to be.
I think there's some other good signs though from their
defensive front. They didn't play starters in this game. I
happen to watch this and Josh Dobbs had one of

(54:40):
the worst two play sequences you'll ever want to see.
A fumble return for a touchdown and then a like
awful interception like Will Levis style throwing across his body
that was picked off the next drive. So it wasn't
great for the Lions, but I'm not going to worry
too much. If we want some positivetivity. Aiden Hutchinson, he's

(55:03):
still Liden Hutchinson. All the reporters there say like he
maybe has cranked it up another notch in practice and
just watch out. You know, he's not coming off an
injury this year. I'm excited to see what he can do.
Let's get to the Bills and the Browns. The Deshaun
Watson train has gone off the tracks. We're taping this
Sunday evening, so I don't want to spend too much

(55:27):
of this segment shook like predicting what's gonna happen, because
Todd Monkin says he's announcing the starter on Monday, so
we're gonna find out soon enough. But as bad as
the entire Deshaun Watson era has been in Cleveland, this
almost felt like a new low. What happened on Saturday.
You're laughing, but thirty one to seven, two three, Because

(55:51):
I was there, Oh you were there.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
I need to give you the floor.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Okay, before we hear from Deshaun Watson and talk about that.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
What was it like to be there? Okay?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
First off, let me just set the weather scene for you.
National Anthem's playing and it starts tyrentially downpouring. A lightning
delay ensues after about a minute into the game, about
an hour delay, offense comes back out she door, looks
pretty good playing against backups, has about four seconds to
throw every time he drops back, never really gets pressured,
has some success. Halftime arrives, it rains again, torrentially stops

(56:26):
just in time for the third quarter to start. I
am walking down one of the tunnels seeing the field
in my view, and as I walk toward the stairs,
I'm hearing fans booing as the offense takes the field
because Deshaun Watson is leading them out there. That set
the stage for then one of the worst preseason performances
for somebody battling for a starting job against third stringers

(56:47):
that I've ever seen at field level. He is slower
in movement and in processing than anybody else out on
the field. The ball does not look good out of
his hand. He did not look confident. I thought he
was okay last week. He looked worse than ever this week.
And then he goes to the press conference and does this.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Man, I didn't have no reaction.

Speaker 7 (57:09):
I think the biggest thing is I think you guys
know too and I think the whole world knows it
has nothing to do about the performance. It's a little
bit personal than that. So I think that's a it's
a disrespectful thing. So yeah, I mean, I'm gonna keep
whatever I feel with me and my family internally on

(57:30):
how I feel about that, and yeah, just move on.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Except he doesn't keep it internal, right, keep it how
he felt internally. He's always lying to himself because he
even said during the week, I don't care what the
response is gonna be. And the most real moment he
had of the press conference, which no matter what you
think of Shaun Watson, I can't imagine there's many Deshaun

(57:55):
Watson like supporters out there, but I I'd rather here
at least be real. And when he brought up how
they cheered him, cheered when he tore his achilles a
couple of years ago, and he said, like, these are
the same fans that cheered when I tore my achilles
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
There was like real.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Emotion in his voice, and you understand like that has
stuck with him. And he also talked about I thought
the charity work, everything I've done out in the city
like that that would have made a difference in not
and so then he's telling you, Okay, it actually does
matter to me, and we can get into that. But
I actually thought this comment, which didn't make as many headlines,

(58:33):
was the most telling, the most damning, and ultimately like
it should be the final thing to say goodbye to
Deshaun Watson in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Quarterback job is tough enough.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Can you defeat negativity?

Speaker 7 (58:46):
I don't know. I don't know. You know, it's a
mental battle every day, you know. I feel like I
feel like I get more love on road games than
I do home games. So if it is my spot
and he does make me the name, maybe it's seventeen
away games, then I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
It sounds like a guy who doesn't want to be there, yep, right,
And that's what it looked like on the field on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
It doesn't want the job, like and so.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Jimmy Haslam wouldn't cut him. Andrew Berry, who everyone was
giving flowers to all off season and is still in
charge of the front office, that decided to roll out
to Sean Watson for this training camp. Oh yeah, Andrew Berry,
he's getting a great yeah, Like he's casting a Paul
on the entire season by going through with this plan.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
He didn't cut him. You know, the the.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Previous coaches didn't cut him. Monkin didn't cut him. You
know who's gonna end up cutting him if they if
they do, and man, they should is the people that
you were with in the stadium. The fans would come
him cut him, like yeah, if if it actually happens
that way, and this would be a fascinating moment for

(59:57):
the brown in the Browns history, and kind of they
probably won't, and that's what I don't want to predict
what's going to happen. But if they actually did move
on now, it really would be the fans that made
it happen hm, because of his response to them and
they just it became untenable.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Which in the history of the Browns since they returned
in nineteen ninety nine, that has often been the case.
I have spent many a Sunday listening to fans chance
so angrily that people lost their jobs the next day
that maybe wouldn't have lost their jobs. And so this
would only be the latest instance. And I think this
would probably be the first time in which the fans
are right as opposed to previous in scenarios. Now they

(01:00:37):
can't cut him. This is the problem. The fans know this,
that they're stuck with him for one more year because
if they cut him, it's one hundred and twenty seven
million dollars in ten yew it's eighty six million dollars
against the cap. It's a contract that already has four
void years on it, including thirty six million and fifty
one million dollar cap hits in the next two years.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
AA.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You could just do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Stop stop being so just just do it, like, yeah,
you're gonna have all this cap pain, just do it.
Do something right for ones because if you had it,
you're gonna have to do it somehow. There's also a
world where they just work out something with him where
he just kind of goes away and they can keep
that cap hit until next year.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
But and that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
You just put him on you know whatever away, You
just put him on injured reserve, you pay him his money.
I don't know how it would work, frankly, but you
just go away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah, congratulate or Sanders. You are the starter, and Frankly,
I think you earned it with this performance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Okay, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
We'll hit that on our next show because I just
don't trust the Browns ever to do the right thing.
And no, I just don't so I because I went
into this game, and it's really interesting how they structured
it because Watson still got most of you know, they
they've been splitting first team reps. They put him out

(01:02:05):
there with like the threes and the fours. Just that
was strange because I went into the game assuming Deshaun
Watson was the Week one starter. I really did like
all the reporting was Watson had some moments and that
they were leaning Watson going into this, and but the
way they put him in a position to fail and

(01:02:27):
then he did, and then the response Todd Monkin spoke
on Sunday said he'll make an announcement on Monday, said
some weird comments that I frankly just didn't understand and
we'll find out later.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
But the thing that go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Well, I think this is an interesting examination of Todd
Munkin's first friction point as a head coach, because either
it's coaching malpractice putting out a guy that you think
is the Week one starter with the thirds and fours,
you know, and letting him, you know, kind of just
torture himself or that's what you wanted to do all along.

(01:03:04):
And because I can't imagine him exactly, So which one
was it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Maybe it's that they actually were leaning Schador, that they're
not putting Watson out there to fail. But maybe they
were leaning Shador and just no one had an idea.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
We'll find out. We'll find out on Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
That's why you don't commit to starting one guy one
week and the other guy the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Next, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Watson also said, when asked if he regrets coming to Cleveland,
that he doesn't regret anything that he's done in his life.
I don't have any he said, I don't have any regrets.
And to me, that was the most telling thing. And
Deshaun Watson's talking about like this is personal. Yeah, of

(01:03:52):
course it's personal, but it's also performance.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
That performance was terrible. If you performed better, they would.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Shut up, they would It's it's obviously both, but it
is personal because the Shawn Watson never took accountability like
he he never once said that he made a mistake
for the accusations and the assault that he ultimately got

(01:04:19):
him suspended, the sexual assault accusations that got him suspended.
He never once made a real like owning up to
what he did. And that's the difference. I had someone
come at me in the comments about like, well, you know,
like people cheered Michael Vick. It's like Michael Vick like
owned up to it and he tried to make it

(01:04:40):
commends and Watson never did it. And now it's it's
dime store psychology. But I'll always believe that that and
and the negativity that he feels and probably feels like
without even admitting to himself, but the negativity all around him,
like that's all impacted the lack of confidence that he
clear early shows as a player. That's the thing. You

(01:05:02):
don't even need to talk about any of the rest
of it. He has no confidence whatsoever and hasn't for
years as a football player. So he's not helping your team. Okay, Yeah,
I'm sorry, shik.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
No, it's it's it's it's a great explanation of it,
I think. And he's one of those people that I think,
in his own personal happiness will probably be happier when
he moves on for football.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
Whenever he decides to do that. Yep, totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You know who's making me happy as someone who wants
you to be happy, Casey Concepcio and Denzel Boston. Those
two guys look like dudes. Joint practice, they played well.
Unfortunately joint practice. There was also an injury to Alex Right.
We don't know how serious that one is. Monkin's not
talking about it, but he's a starting edge and it
sounds like it could be serious. There's so much going

(01:05:50):
on with the Browns, Like it's like story number six
that they cut a player this week that is now
going to play at LSU Daiquon Wright, Like, what.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
We don't have time enough to dive into that, but
that's insane that that's been allowed to happen because of
a court ruling. And then, oh, by the way, Nick
Chubb retired since we last taped. Let's let's just play
a Nick Chubb great run, as chosen by Browns fan
Nick Shook.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Checking down in ten takes the snap Gibs it Hub runs.
He's in a ten fifteen, he's in a twenty, twenty five, thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Thirty five, forty forty five, fifty.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
There, Ghost Chub, he should a thirty twenty ten five
touchdown shop a lah Ba Hope ninety two yards.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Pretty unbelievable. He has a second gear. I just got hit.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
More by you than I did by fourteen years in
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
That I mean, that was the That was the peak
of the Browns becoming a competitive team. That was the
late Jim Donovan on the car with Doug Deacon, two
phenomenal individuals that I was privileged to work with. And
you know what, Nick Chubb was pretty awesome too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I was told when I arrived in Berea that he
was pretty reserved, kind of a hard guy to crack.
But I cracked him and got to know him, and
he was an awesome guy. Sneaky, funny, just a good
dude and a damn good running back in his peak.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I'm glad we just have the opportunity on this show
to kind of say goodbye to these players when they
do retire. And he was with the Texan didn't get
signed this offseason. It's hard not to think about the
injury that changed the course of his career. I was
on live television at the time in the UK, and
I'll never forget that night. Like it was devastating, and
he was never the same after those sort of injuries

(01:07:43):
still happened. But at his peak, I don't even think
it's a question. Like he's on the very short list
of the best pure runners of the last decade, and
I think you can extend it out to like just
at their peak running the ball, toughness and just running nobility.

(01:08:05):
It's a very short list before you get to Nick
Chubb of like the last twenty five years. And so
those players that make an impact that he made with
the Browns and their fans, like that's worth more sometimes
than all the numbers that the cumulative stats, and even
some guys that get into the Hall of Fame, like
Nick Chubb had a bigger impact and reached higher level

(01:08:27):
of football than some guys who do make the Hall
of Fame. And so just happy retirement to Chubb.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I was happy to see a lot of people
were in twenty four jerseys on Saturday. It was a
nice little reminder of what he did for this city.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
So Bill's fans are probably woner. Hey we won thirty
one to seven. You're not talking about us in this
preseason game. Well, they are the team that shook is
talking about I was thinking about this. It's been a
really quiet camp for the Bills. I find out a
good sign a new coach too, Like I thought Joe
Brady was gonna be getting all crazy saying things and
stuff like, it's been business as usual. Josh Allen super

(01:09:02):
happy the athletics. Joe Bassalia says Dalton kincaid. Their tight
end has had a really great camp. Khluil Shaker has
been out a little bit lately. They got a joint
practice win. Another win for the Bills, not only in
the game, but the rare joint practice and preseason game
doubling up. Although by all accounts, including from Zach Jackson,

(01:09:23):
it was pretty competitive practice like the Bills started out
really fast on offense, but otherwise like it was competitive
to the point where the Browns starters actually felt I
think pretty good about the joint practice, but overall, a
couple w's there, and then you don't really play any
starters in the preseason. That's a recipe for a quiet camp.
Some guys that you might know that might not even
make this team because it's so deep, Geno Stone at safety,

(01:09:46):
Micole Hardman at wide receiver. And then I thought it
was interesting reading that Maxwell Harriston, last year's first round pick,
who I'm really high on, might not be even locked
into being their starting cornerback right now. It might be
da in Ibsen, the second buck Eye maybe yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Igbinosen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
He was as a very very handsy defensive back at
Ohio State two years ago, and then his final year
with the buck Eyes he got cleaner in coverage.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
That's actually that's surprising, but in a good way. It's encouraging.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
You're right, the Bills are doing I think everything right,
but I do think that it's I'm glad you brought
up Mikoel Hardman there as one of these notes because
I'm sitting at the game on Saturday and I'm messaging
Kevin patra Fello, NFL dot com writer, and I'm just saying, yeah,
I think it might be time for Hardman to call
it like he had a bad couple of drops and
then he scores on a screen and I'm like, oh, well,
maybe I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Well, he will always have a Super Bowl ending catch.
Not many people in NFL history have that Super Bowl
ending play. I mean, how many are there? There's only
two overtimes, so it's probably just him and James White
like literally the last play. I guess kicks would count there,
but as just like a regular scoring a touchdown on

(01:11:03):
the last play of the Super Bowl. Not many people
have done that, so you know, he had as fun. Also,
I wanted to send our thoughts out. We heard the
tragic news of Ed Oliver's son passing had happened apparently previously,
and then the news came out. The Bills sent out
a statement his two year old son died this summer

(01:11:25):
and just the most tragic, awful news that you can
think of. So thinking of Ed Oliver, who has been
with the team, and his teammates also you know, really
really said they support him and they're just trying to
stand behind him as much as he can't they can.
Let's go to the Rams and the Saints. The Rams
in a game I attended. I don't know if you
knew that thirty four to nothing, me Walker, a couple

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of his friends. Nothing like being the neighborhood dad bringing
some you know, kids to a preseason game.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Plenty of good seats available.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
That's so far for this one where in terms of
the game, the only thing that was really interesting was
the Stetson Bennett ty Simpson situation. Stetson Bennett got the
first half, ty Simpson got the second half, and yes,
Stetson Bennett ran in for a couple of touchdowns, including

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one where our friend Jordan Rodriegue was on the call.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Drop back game third down, Stetson has already scrambled for one.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
Stepson goes in again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
There's Jordan with a call that we absolutely will be using.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
Please on this show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Please, Yes, I was gonna say, please make it a
little sound drop as soon as I heard it when
I was watching this back, I was like, oh, please,
that's got to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
Be a feature on the show. I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
And Jordan did a great job again. Brenda Song joined
the booth for the third quarter. A lot going on
there in that booth. But the only problem with that
call is Stetson Bennett probably not going to be scoring
a lot of touchdowns in the regular season, but it
could work with it for anyone with a mustache. Jackson Dart,

(01:13:07):
like Tetson Dart is a mustache right now. Jalen Hurts
has a mustache right now?

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Does George Kittles have a mustache?

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Again? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Like mustaches are their back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
They are in, they are in, They're they're very in.
So it doesn't have to be Stetson Bennett. Although if
you listen to Dan Orlovsky and I've seen this bubble
up in a couple places, the Falcons should trade for
Stetson Bennett. Some team should trade for Stetson Bennett. I smell,
I smell something rotten here with this, like Stetson Bennett
should be traded.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Doc. I don't like that idea because I and this
is no knock on Stetson Bennett, but I do think
that there are certain situations in the NFL in which
backups look especially good in a system that they've gotten
to know, that they've gotten reps with, and a team
takes a swing on them and it fails tragically. Let's
not do that, but let's just let the Rams have
two backups that they like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
It has he even looked that good though even at
the game. I know he had one beautiful layered throw
on a third down. I think to Tyler Scott that
was like next level. He had a deep ball too
that Scott kind of messed up that his numbers would
have looked better. I think it was a good pass
by Bennett. But I'm not gonna get carried away about
how Bennetts looked in the preseason. He looked fine and

(01:14:17):
in practice like he's been fine. He was he had
his share of struggles. Maybe I'm being affected by the
day I'm out there, but there was reports, you know
he was he was struggling a little bit, you know,
for more than that. This sounds like someone from the tree,
the Shanahan tree, the McVeigh tree, like trying to shake
a draft pick loose. No one's trading for Stetson Bennett
anything significant. I just don't believe it, Like, I don't

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believe that that's something another team would do. If you
want to tell me, like someone would give up a
sixth round pick or a six to seventh swap, Sure,
but that's it's basically.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Like at that point, it's not worth it. Just keep it.
But like, what are the Rams doing with ty Simpson?
I I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
You draft him thirteenth overall and what are you getting
out of these preseason reps with the third and fourth
string where it's all just these rollouts and he was fine.
I just felt like, like, what's the point. Don't you
want to be developing this guy as much as possible.
He didn't get that many reps during training camp either,
so you want to get it with the preseason.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
But why isn't he getting more reps during training camp?
Like he's the thirteenth overall pick.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Would you be surprised if you saw him going with
the de facto starters in Week three? I feel like
it's been an acclamation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah, but they don't play any of the starters. So
I would rather starters, right, I would rather get them.
I'd rather have him get better snaps like in the
first half of this game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
I'd rather hit him, get the entire Week three game right,
and see if you can put it together for four quarters.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, And I don't think he's looked bad. I've been
just been a little confounded about what happened. There was
a moment in this game, though, his first and goal
at the like half yard line, and I said to
my friend who came to the game with me next
week that if they run the ball here, McVey wants

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ty Simpson to be the backup the quarterback to like
a first and go out the half yard line, and
if they passed the ball here, they want stetson Bennett
to to be the quarterback to you know, fluff up
his stats, and they did.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
They call they called a rollout. He ran it in
for a touchdown instead.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
But it was like it was almost like a you know,
if the receivers open pass it if not run it,
and so Bennett got his touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
So or maybe they're trying to fluff up his seat value.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Then No, that's the thing, is I they' because they've
rolled out Tie a lot, like more than you see
an average rookie quarterback. And I know it's been in
like second half, you know, with the third stringers, but
the the what they've asked him to do is more
complex than what you usually see from a first round
pick who's behind it and trench starter. I kind of
feel like that's type of scenario is one of the

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ones where it's like, hey, let's test the mobilities here.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
You see if he can win a race down the line. Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, And that was Bennett. They have some similarities to
them and that play. Maybe maybe though the theory is
actually they're trying to puff up his value, make him
look great in this game so that they could trade him.
Who knows the joint practice. The joint practice victory between
the Rams and the Saints this week, We're gonna give
it to the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Every time that Matthew Stafford's like practice this offseason, everyone
said he's looked incredible and that's continued. Jordan continues to
beat the drum of Terrence Ferguson. He is definitely one
of our guys here at NFL Daily, their young tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I think he's gonna have.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
A big role.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Pukinakua and Miles Garrett have now been out for two
straight weeks. You know, I wouldn't panic, but yeah, let's
keep an eye on that. Like, that's not ideal. Alvin
Kamara for the Saints is going to miss four to
six weeks with an injury. Audric Estime, who was looking
like their running back three who would be elevated with
Kamara out, has also been hurt. Kendrey Miller was out there.

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Jordan Tyson, we know, is gonna be out for much
of this season. So at wide receiver Bryce Lance, the
brother of Tree Lance, stepping up a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Couple of catches, a couple of catches in an offense
that I think this is what preseason is perfect for
for some of these teams where you're just kind of figuring.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Out taking stock of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Now you don't want to have to do that because
of injury, but that's where they are now.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
It's a couple of these positions where they're like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Well one of the guys we were counting on a
start is not going to be available for most of
the season. Figure out what else we have. Lance had, Yeah,
two catches. He looked all right. But this is a
backup receiving group that very confused on how it's going
to show me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
They might not be backups. Him and Barry and Brown
I think are going to play for this team. Who
are two rookies? I mentioned the Bills, you know having
rookies that are probably going to contribute right away. I
think these receivers are going to be at least asked
to do some things. This was a rough performance to
watch in person. The Zach Wilson hype train that Saints
fans were feeling for one week after.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
The preseason did not last.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
And Spencer Rattler, he moved the ball, but then he
threw a pick six and it was bad.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
It was a bad pick six. Well, and I want
Ratler to be good somewhere, but that was bad. That
was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I think the Saints did something that no team's ever
done before. Tell me if I'm wrong, anyone that knows
differently out there. They had two joint practices in the
same week with two different teams. Never heard of six things,
So maybe they were tired. Not even I'm not even joking.
They had one on Tuesday and fought like ten times
with the Cowboys and got fined five hundred thousand dollars

(01:19:28):
for those fights, and then they had another joint practice
on Thursday. Granted it's most of the starters doing the
work there, but maybe they were just like tired by
the time they got to the weekend. I've got an update.
This is important, Shook. We always want to be accurate
with our information. Do you know why Terry McLaurin went
to the Blue Medical ten?

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
Probably not tell me. It was something trivial.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
He went peep, Yes, trivial, perfect, better than taking a
knee on the sideline like Josh Lambeau once did.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Wasn't that, Alba?

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
I don't know why I decided to speak like a
six rod for a second. The Falcons, like I said,
tried a lot harder in the preseason. This week, they
beat the Colts thirty four to six. That's the good news.
The unfortunate news is that they took an l in
the joint practice. There was a sad to a tongue
of iloaclip going around of the Colts rushing him, and

(01:20:24):
he's just like moving around, not knowing what to do,
not looking too smooth. Reportedly didn't have a great completion
percentage in that practice and was definitely not going down
the field at all. Is it too late for Michael Pennock?
Supposedly he's progressing to eleven on elevens this week, So
basically the expectation is Michael Pennock's practicing fully this week.

(01:20:47):
I feel like it's too late, but maybe not. You
got a couple of weeks of practice.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
If he was in an established starter, it wouldn't be
too late. With there's a lot of unknown here because
you have new staff, new competition in Tuoo who has
not looked good. Right, I think desperation might say, no,
it's not too late by the standard timeline.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
It feels too late. Yes. I also would like to
give just one small shout out to the guy whose
name nobody knew at the start of training camp, Jack
Strand twelve or seventeen for two hund and twelve yards
in a touchdown. Good, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Kevin Stefanski cracks me up because the storyline around Falcons
practices have apparently been that they've just been like dead,
like no juice, like no energy at practice. That's kind
of Kevin Stefanski in a nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
And they wanted, like Matt Ryan even talked about it,
like we wanted more energy at practice.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
This is these are one of the things that maybe
you shouldn't talk about publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
So Stefanski told his team, because he wants more juice,
that he'll allow for one celebration penalty in this game.
And so if you look at the long score, I
think it was the first one that the Falcons scored.
They would absolutely nuts. It's a great it's a great clip.
So they took advantage. They're all running on the field
and they all get like, you know, you can only

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give them fifteen yard penalty. But it's just hilarious to
me that Kevin Stefanski brings so little juice to the
table that he said, okay, you can get one penalty.
It's a preseason game. I want you guys celebrating like
he has to incentivize them to actually celebrate playing football.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
That tracks, And I don't know how I feel about that.
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
I mean I do like it because it's so it's
taking preseason for what it's worth.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
But it's due.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
No, that part's fine. It's just the lack of energy
thing that makes me a little concerned. It's this is
the guy who want Coach the Year twice but also
got the worst grade among coaches on the NFLPA report card.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
So yeah, I don't know. Jack Strand would be a
great detective name.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Supposedly a lot of screens in this offense to Kyle
Pitts for people watching practices. Zachariah Branch, we've talked about
the rookie he's being treated as a starter, had like
a couple quick catches and then taken out. The big
takeaway for the Colts was that Riley Leonard has been
so bad in the preseason and pretty bad in camp.
And this is according to The Athletic. James Boyd writes

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there that you kind of have to keep Anthony richardson now.
Anthony Richardson was awful in this game too. They went
ten for twenty three for eighty four yards combined. But
I guess Richardson's first preseason game was better, and he's
been better in practice, so you know, sometimes you just
there's no point in trading these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
You might as well keep them both.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
This is one of those situations where it's not great
behind Daniel Jones, and you have to kind of brace
for not having Daniel Jones for an entire season and
just hope that you can survive, because this doesn't sound.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Good right now. It could get better. Rya.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Leonard did look good better in game action last year,
but not super encouraging at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
They also have a lot of injury concerns. Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
The hope as he's in, the expectation is he's back
for Week one, but he's got a groinstring. Charvarius Ward
I miss this, but he's been out indefinitely with a
backend for weeks. Like it's just one of those quiet
things that Okay, he missed one day and then one
day turned into four days, and no one really said
what his injury was, and then they finally said, oh,

(01:24:10):
it's a back. We're not sure when he's going to
be back, but it's been like two or three weeks.
This guy's barely played any football in years, so it's
a little concerning for a really important cornerback for this team.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
And then I did note CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Allen, who I was so high on at linebacker in
the draft process. They drafted him to start. Right now,
he is not with the starters. He is like linebacker
three or four coming back from an injury. We'll see
if that changes in the next couple of days. The
old guys are healthy, though Divorce Buckner is healthy at least.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
I mean, I don't know how to feel about a
lot of the Colds defense because of what you just
listed and the idea that like some of their draft
picks just have not become the guys that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
JTT Toamalow is a guy who hasn't made a step
and isn't playing much for their team.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
No, come on, second round pick.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
But here's the issue is that he was really good
as an underclassman at Ohio State and then that was it.
Like by the time he left Ohio State, he still
went in the second round because of potential but I
kind of felt like he already maxed out what he
had and maybe he could take the next step in
the NFL, and it seems like he hasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
So this is one of those groups where I'm like, who.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
You know, I think that's just like play strength but
like a strong guy. But sometimes just you don't know
what separates like a like a good prospect from a
pro that just doesn't work like it Sometimes it's thingsy,
it's not about it's not about the physicality, it's not
the fit. Who knows what it is. But yeah, he
has not been able to pop. The Ravens and the

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Vikings played football this week. They had a joint practice,
and I'm giving a tight win to the Ravens. This
was like a last second if it was a game,
Tyler Loop field goal to get it for the Ravens.
Sounds like it was pretty even both teams. It was
very low scoring. If this was a game, would have
been like twelve nine essentially. And this is a little

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surprising for the Ravens offense that they struggled so much.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
But then you think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
About, Okay, they're a new offense and they're facing Brian Flores,
who doesn't mess around in these training camp and joint
practice settings. Neither offense could really get much done either way,
but they were better. Marlot Humphrey said he hasn't been
like he thought. It was the most electric practice that
he's had in ten years their joint practice on defense.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
There's a lot of shade being thrown at John Harbaugh
by veterans with the Ravens right now. Rashad Bateman came
out and kind of buried the previous staff last week.
You got Humphrey saying this Now, it's good because you
have the new staff and they're in the honeymoon period
and everything's different. So they're all having fun and they're

(01:26:51):
a good team. They should enjoy this. But it's just
very interesting the way that they're kind of throwing shade
at Harball.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
They have apps absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Thrown shade at the offensive staff too, because they're like, oh,
we're on our detail, you know, on both sides of
the staff, they're like, they're teaching us the details, actually
teaching us what to do, like not letting things slide
in a way that is totally new, and it's hard
not to take that as a little bit of shade.
Tyler Loop, Yeah, at practice and then I think in
the game too, he might have had a job saving
game here with one of his long field goals because

(01:27:23):
he struggled after ending the season with a miss last year.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Last week he.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Missed a forty nine yard field goal in the preseason,
and then his preseason game this week started with a
forty nine yard field goals. One of those moments are like,
if he misses this one, they're bringing in a kicker
this week.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
But he hit all his kicks in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
It was confirmed that Danny Pinter, their center, has a
torn ptel attendant.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
He is out for the season.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
He was the favorite to start at center to replace
Tyler Linderbaum. The new favorite is Ethan Pocchik, who's coming
off at torn achilles of his own only eight months ago.
But he did play in this game, so that's a
pretty big step forward to winning that job. JJ McCarthy
played at quarterback. They didn't play Kyler Murray. Reportedly, Kyler
Murray ended the joint practice. It was pretty up and down.

(01:28:10):
I think it was a couple of days too, like
it was pretty up and down overall, but he made
a couple big plays to end it, including like a
improvised forty yard throw down the field that I forget
if it was to Addison or Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
It was kind of like one of those plays.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Practice ended that way and everyone was like, Okay, that's
why we have Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
At least he can can make those sort of plays.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Who do you think the backup quarterback is week one,
JJ McCarthy or Carson Wentz.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
M JJ McCarthy, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
He had a speaking of improvised plays, he had a
bomb to Tye Felton in this game. There was a
little bit of juice in this game early. I think
that they're going to be going with JJ as the backup,
with the security and safety and the cozy, warm blanket
feeling of yeah, we got Carson Wentz, you know, in
case it doesn't work out.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
M I h.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
I look at the Ravens and I think, you know,
even though the Vikings weren't playing starters, I think like
that the preseason dynasty that John Harbor established that's continuing.
They just they just continue to keep winning games. The
Vikings takeaways like from the game. I listened to Purple
Daily and they say, right now, Big Orange, who's your guy?

(01:29:27):
Big Citrus rather not Big Orange. Why am I calling
them big big Citrus?

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
What's what's our guy there? Caleb Banks?

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
No, not Caleb Banks, big citrus on the Vikings. Dominique
Orange of course might be his nickname. Oh yeah, big
Big Citrus is the man looks like he's going to
contribute right away. You never know what your draft picks,
because he was what a third round pick, fourth round pick?
And yeah, and Caleb Banks was their first round pick.
Caleb Banks looks like a project that's not going to

(01:29:58):
help this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Team at all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
And you you know Orange the third round pick, and
then their sixth round cornerback Charles Deman looks like he's
gonna make a big impact right away.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
So you just never know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
And that Kyler Murray throw had Alex Lewis from the
Athletics saying that the arc of Kyler Murray's camp, including
the battle the slow star like hating some big plays
in joint practice, is eerily similar to Sam Darnold's arc.
Oh his first camp with the Vikings, because it was
kind of if you remember back to that camp, it

(01:30:31):
was our first NFL daily camp. It was very similar
to Donald had a slow start and then joint practices came.
It was like a steady build and then he started
hitting some plays, started understanding the offense.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Well, I mean, in that year, we didn't even expect
Sam Donald to play. It wasn't til McCarthy had a
knee injury in his first preseason game, which that performance,
by the way, wowed everybody that it became clear that
Donald was gonna have to play.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
And the rest is history. So okay, I don't know
if I'm gonna buy completely into that, but all right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Okay, we are having a monster show here on this
Sunday night. Let's get to the Cowboys Cardinals. But first
I did want to mention you, had said Rashad Bateman earlier.
He is now facing three charges, including family violence, after
allegedly breaking the windshield of a car carrying his three
month old daughter and her mother, according to court documents

(01:31:22):
that were obtained by the Athletic on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
So it remains to be seen whether he faces.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Legal punishment, whether the Ravens suspend him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
They have said they're aware of it. The NFL is
aware of it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
There was some interest from the Texans in him in
a trade that I'm sure is gone now and so
we'll see something to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Keep an eye on there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
The Cowboys and the Cardinals played.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
The Cowboys are dominant in the preseason right now in
part because Joe Milton has put an end to this
quarterback two battle. Joe Milton with the game of his
life against Arizona. He had a bomb so good that
Eric Roberts said, this throw.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Needs to be in the show. Let's see it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
If you are watching on YouTube, you will see him
about sixty yards in the air and Joe Mellon can
spin it like if you're just talking about like throwing
a go route. Joe Milton would be pretty high on
the list of just who can throw the ball the
furthest in the NFL. No one ever doubted that. And

(01:32:19):
this this receiver group has been pretty deep right now
for the Cowboys. I don't even know who's going to
make this team. That was Jonathan Mingo right catching that
Dutch down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
I believe that was Joe Milton's greatest strength coming out
of Tennessee. In fact, when he arrived, that was the
talk in Knoxville was, Oh, he's got a cannon for
an arm. But we know what's happening with his career.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
Since then.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
I love the preseason arc of Joe Milton and year
two under Brian Schottenheimer. Not that I ever want to
see him on the field, but if they have to
play him, if Dak can't play for whatever reason, Yeah,
there's no freaking way that he's not the backup quarterback.
It matches style of play, potential to push the ball
down the field.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
It imagined him with Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens. It
would be fun. Periods of it would be fun. Yes,
it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
It would be box office and that'd be interesting seeing
him develop. Malik Davis is reportedly the favorite to be
the running back two here, but Jayden Blue did have
a good game here. Jayshawn Barham is a linebacker we're
keeping eye on. He looked awesome in this game for
the Cowboys, and I thought it was interesting. Brian Schottenheimer
was asked what guys have exceeded expectations in camp. Caleb

(01:33:24):
Downs was the first guy he mentioned. Like, okay, Caleb Downs'
expectations were already high, and I like Schavon Ravel was
on the list too, but Caleb Downs very exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Yeah, Revel had a pick in this game because the
guy that Yarnimentshew was targeting fell down, but it was
a nice play by him to be in the right
place at the right time. Not surprised at all by downs,
because I feel like he's been unfairly underrated even though
he's been one of the he was one of the
best defensive players in college football, like because of his size.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
It's all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
It was all related to size. The kid could play
at all three levels. I don't know why he felt
at the point he did, and the Cowboys were happy
to scoop him up. But that was my number one note,
which is bar him. M jumps off the screen and
maybe it's partially because of his hair.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
That's fine. I love that kid. I totally see why
he's in the mix right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
To marve On Overshown is probably the middle linebacker to
start this season, but Jayshawn Barram is pushing and the
two of them are both exciting players. I think you
figure out how to use them both. Another guy on
Schottenheimer's list was Tyler Geyton. Jayden Blue was not a
guy that he listed the running backs. It's a mystery

(01:34:28):
to me. I'm not sure Jayden Blue has much of
a role at this point, I don't think he's the
running back too. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick
up someone on waivers and Blue is on their practice
squad or is kind of running back three or four.
It was a cool story here that a prospect by
the name of Shias Pete is believed to be the
first try member of the Navajo Nation to be on

(01:34:52):
an NFL roster, had an entire section of fans and
they're well represented in Arizona, just giving him a huge
standley innovation late in the game right behind the Cowboys,
you know, bench and very cool moment. He comes into
the game late, helps to block on a late touchdown.
They're chanting his name and he breaks down the team afterwards.

(01:35:17):
And you got to find a spot for this guy
on the practice squad because his teammates love him and
if nothing else, he gave better post locker room speeches
than any player I've seen. So just just keep him
around for that very cool story. And a guy who
picked up football late and it was like a walk
on in college, and you know, I hope his story continues.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
One of the cool training camp stories.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Out there for the Cardinals, like Sloppy practices, sloppy practices,
and a really sloppy game, like they struggled just to
like snap the football penalties operation. And when I say
sloppy practices, that's what Michael Flur said. He said, our
team knows we had a bad practice week. We've been
sloppy all week. It carried over into the game. It's
hard to have too many takeaways here. There was no

(01:36:03):
Carson Beck again. Garrett Williams, their young cornerback, return to
practice on at some level this week, returning from an Achilles' injury.
We haven't heard from Josh Sweat, their edge rusher, but
right now we're just kind of waiting and seeing if
Jeremiah Love can can get ready.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
For Week one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
But otherwise I don't I don't have a lot to
say about this Cardinals performance.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
I did think it was interesting that you threw Al Jr.
In there as a potential trade candidate for another team
that needs a running back, because the rest of this
group all has some sort of health question at this point.
And I know that's not really a takeaway from the
preseason action, but it's like, if you're taking full stock
of this team right now, it's a sloppy operation, had
a sloppy week, doesn't really have a healthy running back room.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
How do you call them down offense? You run the
ball well, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
It's interesting, but it's year one. You know you're gonna
take your lumps in year one.

Speaker 5 (01:36:53):
Good point.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
They kind of need Tyler Algier.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
They also already like paid them with guaranteed money for
the month for this year. So the Bengals and the
Bears played, and the Bengals won that game. The Bears
starters were out there initially. Joe Burrow, though, I thought
was more interesting than anything that happened in the game,
talking about the urgency that he is looking for this season.

Speaker 9 (01:37:15):
I'm trying to put it out into the world. I'm
trying to manifest it. I'm trying to show our guys
the urgency that I have and that that I want
us to have as an organization to go and make
it happen. You know, the You can keep pushing it
down the road, or you can talk about it now
and say this is the year. And you know, I'm

(01:37:36):
tired of saying next year, next year, next year. This
is this is it. You know, your life is too
short to keep pushing things down the road, and I'm
trying to instill some murgency and some intensity and everybody
to go and get be great every day and try
to go make it happen.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
It what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Maybe it's because I watched Friendait Lights in the last week,
but I can't help but just keep thinking about Billy
Bob Thornton going, can you be perfect?

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
And you win state? I haven't ever you know, it's crazy.
I've never watched a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Oh, I've watched the TV series. The TV series is incredible.
I've watched the TV series at least twice in full,
like one.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
Of my all time faces to watch the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Okay, but yeah, his his and I get it, like
he feels confident, and he's been like this the entire
offseason really since they traded for Dexter Lawrence. He looks
at them on paper and he says, this is a
defense that can compete, and I know what we have offensively.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
Now is the time. Let's go to it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
But the fact that you have to say publicly that
you're trying to get the sense of urgency up is
a little just a little unsettling to me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Zach Taylor doesn't give you a great sense of urgency.
But no, it's been I think they've had a great
camp by all accounts, Like there's a couple issues. Tackle
is one, like they don't have a third tackle. I
think they feel a little bit better about their cornerback depth,
like we will. Well, there's some questions about the defense,
but they feel good about the defensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
The offense. They're really deep at receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Dexter Lawrence by all accounts, has had a monster training camp,
was great in the joint practice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
I'm giving them the joint.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Practice victory according to all the reports because of the
Bengals defense ultimately was kind of the biggest difference making
group up there, and you just wouldn't expect that necessarily
that they played that well against the Chicago Bears offense.
But there is a little part of me that hears
all this from Joe Burrow and maybe it's unfair to

(01:39:36):
Bengals fans, but here's it in a way that's like
or else, you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Know, yeah, yeah, well, because it got pretty close to
or else last year, like this.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
Better be the year or else.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
I'm not going to be happy about it, not just
like who's my coach and stuff, but maybe I don't
want to be here, but that's it's probably unfair. I'm
not I'm sure Joe Burrow isn't consciously thinking that, but
I can't help but think it. Joe happy, joey Be's happy.
That's a drop I completely forgot exists. I love the
receiver debt, by the way, Andrey Yoshavas, I'm not even

(01:40:09):
sure if he's the third receiver anymore. Dante Myers is there,
Kobe Young is a young player. They're good at finding receivers,
and Joe Burrow is good at finding them on the
field too. The starters for the Bears gave up fourteen
plays and sixty seven yards to Josh Johnson, the Bengals
third quarterback. They're playing all the backups in this game.

(01:40:31):
The not like the best signe in the world. Caleb
Williams played in this game. But Ben Johnson said after
the game with some tough love that he thought Caleb
Williams made the wrong read on what was a busted
coverage that Caleb Williams tried to take advantage of and
threw to Colston Lovelan, but he just didn't make the
right read. Ben Johnson said, Look, there's two receivers underneath

(01:40:54):
that that's where your priorities should have been, and they
were wide open and the drive ended with that. So
some tough love there by Ben Johnson and Stacey Dale's
on the broadcast saying, and she knows this team better
than anyone. They are waiting for someone to step up
at left tackle and it hasn't happened yet. They've actually
added contenders to the left tackle spot. There are four
players in the mix, including Braxton Jones, who's back from

(01:41:17):
an injury and struggled in this game. But they all
look like they struggled in this game. That makes you
a little worried for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
It does a little bit, But I feel like I
anticipated some uncertainty of this position, and I think they
did too, because Brackston Jones was coming back from injury,
and they tried to kind of prepare for this to
happen by giving themselves options. It is a little concerning
that they haven't figured out at this point, but I
mean sometimes that just happens. Sometimes you guys don't come

(01:41:45):
in and just crush their position every year, and when
there's some uncertainty, sometimes nobody emerges from the pack. And
you just kind of have to choose the best or
who's got the hot hand and figured it out as
the season goes on. But the thing is is like
teams are figuring out as the season goes on across
all positions because injuries happen everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
So it's not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Have my concerns, but I also think Ben Johnson makes
them lesson They'll scheme around it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
He'll scheme around it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
But I do wonder if they're going to miss Drew
Dalman at center was a surprise retirement. It's Garrett Bradbury.
He didn't look good in this first in this preseason
game either. And they have a lot of injuries guys
who are weak to week for them, Kyle Manungai, they're
running back Tyreek Stevenson, their cornerback Kyler Gordon has been
out forever. Luther Burden is uncertain for Week one. It's
the left tackle situation. There's just a lot of injuries

(01:42:30):
right now, especially in the secondary. Let's go to the
Giants and Dolphins. We have two more games to get through.
Eric is gonna kill me. I love everyone who is
this deep into the podcast. Who's with us live, but
more just like in their ears. It's like the third
listen because it's your third different drive to work, and

(01:42:50):
it's taken that long to get through this entire podcast.
This probably will be our longest podcast of the entire season,
and it's preseason week two. Gen you up of an
entire week. But this to me is like, it's what
the sickos are all about, and I should I should
just be shutting up. And I hope that you didn't
lose your place.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Listener. No, this is this is your one moment in
the in the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Remember me saying this now, so that when you get
out of the car and go into work. I hope
your coffee's hot, I hope the weather's good, and I
hope you don't live I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Do you not listen to podcasts. It's not like they
start over shook. I mean, I need to you to be.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Listening out of the car right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
And they turn it off and they walk into their office,
job or whatever they do, this is gonna stick in
their head.

Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
They'd be like, all right, I gotta come back for
the last two games.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Okay, okay, yeah, you're right, come back for Giants Dolphins,
twenty six to three Giants doing the double duty. They
won the joint practice, they won the game even more decisively.
The Giants reporters were taking victory laps that they crushed
this joint practice, and it sounds like the Miami offense
in the joint practices were they couldn't do anything Malak

(01:43:58):
while Willis couldn't do anything. That's the second time that's
happened in the joint practices, which is a little concerning.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
First time was a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
But they also were saying it was Jackson Dart's like
best performance, and offensively they look pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
I think the running game was good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
That's great to hear, but it was their best performance
throwing the ball. And I heard a breakdown on three
yards per carry this Dolphins you know podcasts. There were
zero touchdowns thrown by either quarterback by either team. I've
never heard of a joint practice where there's zero touchdowns throw.

(01:44:33):
How good of a victory could it be? How good
could your offense be if you went over in the
red zone period? But like the Giants, so there's like
that's a tough joint practice, an entire joint practice without touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
That is a beat searching for positives because there's no scoring.
And let me tell you, grain as Salt, think about
who you're competing against.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Maybe it was just the red zone, but the red
zone periods usually get like twelve to fifteen play. There
was a famous to a Tongue of Iloa joint practice
a couple of years ago where I think he went
like he hit twelve touchdowns in like fifteen plays against
the Eagles, And afterwards they talked about this in the podcast.
The Eagles were talking about that team's going to the
super Bowl, and they did start out the season with
an awesome offense, but they did not go to the

(01:45:17):
Super Bowl. Narrator says, but that's what you could do
in these Redzmond periods and both teams went over. I
don't know what else to take from this game other
than I can't wait to watch RBL Reese play football
on a week to week Besis another couple snaps where
he just absolutely destroys like a full back in the hole,
and he is just a tough, tough player. I want

(01:45:40):
to give a shout out to Joe Shane for getting
the sixth round pick for Daniel Filele in the trade
to the Jaguars, although it was probably more John Harbaugh
and his friends since Daniel Fallele was like a raven
and it's all.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Yep, yep raven following Harvard on New York. Yeah, and
flipping it to a team in need probably a panic move,
to be honest with you. Hashtag noticing Tyrone Tracy's precipitous
fall down the depth chart this preseason, now behind Devin
Singletary in terms of who's getting snaps at what stage
in the game, and not helping himself by fumbling the

(01:46:15):
football one week after blowing a block so bad that
it sent Jackson Dart to the medical tent.

Speaker 5 (01:46:21):
Rough preseason for him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Yeah, it doesn't get much more rough than that. And yeah,
the fumble the nase Irris that is tough. Also saw
a demotion Darius Alexander, last year's third round pick, another
Senior Bowl hero who was starting for a while. He's
behind Chauncey Golston.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Odell Beckham dropped a potential touchdown in this game, and
at this point it'd be surprising I think if he
made the roster. You know, it's harsh to call that
a drop. He's leaping it would have been difficult. But
it's the type of plays that you know, Odell Beckham
used to make, and it just doesn't seem like there's

(01:47:00):
you know, a spot for him on this team. He
was out of football last year, so the expectations went
probably always a little unfair if he wants to be
on the practice squad, like I could see that it's
possible if he wants to keep playing football and working.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Yeah, because if you're on the practice squad, you can
get a job somewhere else too if they need you.
So it's better than being out of football entirely and
getting those reps. Look, father time comes for everybody. Odell's
been through it health wise over the last few years,
which has really been on, you know, unfortunate for his
career path. I also will say that, yes, he dropped
that ball in the end zone, but he did have
a catch.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
It might have been earlier on that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Drive or maybe just earlier in the half where he
made a guy miss and I and I immediately like
I knew it was him, but like he made he
did a little step back and I was like, oh,
that's the Odell I saw in Cleveland in twenty nineteen,
like I.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
Remember those fast feet. He still got a little bit
in there. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
I did see more than one, in fact, exactly two
Odell Beckham three jerseys at Sofi Stadium. I mean he
was barely with the Rams and he was a big
part of them winning that Super Bowl the run and
then for specifically.

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
The super Bowl itself.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
But still was a little surprised to see a couple
Odell Beckham jerseys out there with a lot of a
lot of the Cooper cups still getting worn. What the heck,
let's listen to Odell Beckham. But let's go two hours
on this. Let's make it. Michael Man heat.

Speaker 8 (01:48:16):
I'm never gonna be twenty three year old me, but
I'm very comfortable and confident in this version of myself.

Speaker 5 (01:48:22):
I'm pissed.

Speaker 8 (01:48:24):
This is the one that keeps me up at night.
It's a play that I know I can make. Just
felt like I was hanging so long. Didn't want to
see you get your feet down. You take it on
the ship like a man. Confidence is still there and
I know that I'll make that play next time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Not a lot to take from the Dolphins week. I
don't know if too two at well is making this team.
If you're curious, it kind of seems like he's not.
Quinn Ewers is their backup quarterback. He could be back
from an injury this week. I don't think the backup
quarterback for this team is necessarily on their roster right now.
The Dolphins defense had some moments in the joint practice,
and Chop Robinson keeps getting a lot of love for

(01:49:00):
how he's played this week. But if you are wondering
how the Dolphins week went between the joint practice and
then this game, the Palm Beach Post ran a column
on Sunday. Could the Dolphins go oh and seventeen? What's
your yest?

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
They could? You're wrong, they could. I hate it, but
they could.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
I saw someone be like, this week should not like,
have you adjust your no over runner down from like
five to two.

Speaker 5 (01:49:28):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
I think they're gonna win three or four games.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Let's calm down. Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, zero's hard.
It did zero. I saw two teams do it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
But you got to have an extra stroke or two
of bad luck to go oh and seventeen now with
the extra game. But it like when you look at
all the teams in the NFL, I know roster wise,
which one's the worst as of now?

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
The Bucks and Chiefs played and we did see some starters,
not Patrick Mahomes, but starters for both teams were in
this game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
That made it more interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
I thought our Mason, their pass rusher of the Chiefs
that they took high, is flashing like flashing again, which
is good to see. Look their first round pick from
four years ago, Felix Anadikie Uzama is finally making some
plays in the preseason. We'll see like I didn't even
know if he was going to make the team. I
think he's gonna make the team now. Harrison Bucker ended

(01:50:20):
the first half of a sixty nine yarder, but he
has not been as good in recent years. And then
he missed the forty three yarder that would have won
them this crucial preseason game. Potentially there was like three
minutes left, but he missed it. He's had a lot
of misses lately. Mansor Delaying their top pick was out there.
He looked good. And then their right tackle position seems
like it's a problem. They have not found their right tackle.

(01:50:42):
Jalen Moore, Khalil Benson, Spool all playing in this game.
All struggling in this game. And that coincides with another point.
If you're watching us, we appreciate you give us. Give
us a like late in the show if you're still
with us and you get to see this Reuben Bain
highlight of him just getting back to the quarterback, and

(01:51:07):
I just feel like he's a quarterback, I mean addresser
that I'm going to enjoy watching, you know, just push
the defender back into the quarterback. This is a double
win really between him and Yaya Dabi at the same time.
And that's the type of pass rush I think this
Bucks team could have shook.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Yeah, that is precisely what he did at Miami. He
is not a guy who is super long. He's not
a guy who's gonna win with incredible ben He's gonna
get between your shoulders and win with power. And that's
exactly what he did there, just shoving aside the offensive
lineman in front of him to get inside. And I
think this is going to be the first year in
which they have a legitimate rusher opposite a guy like

(01:51:48):
Dabi and a legitimate group that strikes some fear in
the hearts of opposing offenses. Since like the end of
the Shaq Barrett era with them and the JPP time
with them. It's been a few years since then. Major
win for this side of the of the ball. They
desperately needed it, and Bain is exactly what I thought

(01:52:09):
he was gonna be. All I want for them is
to stay healthy and maximize production. It's good as he
flashes in the preseason.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Yeah, I think this pass rush could be one of
the most improved groups in the entire NFL. David Walker
was cooking a big spin move in this game. Diabi Bain,
Collijah Kanty and yes, they got their guy Videvella locked
up long term two years, forty eight million dollars. It's
almost all guaranteed. I was close, shook I said. In

(01:52:36):
the end, they just got to give him a big
one year raise and get on with it. They did
one year better. They gave him a nice raise for
this season, and they gave him a nice guaranteed season
next year and then it's over. So terrific bit of business.
Good holdout as holdouts go, I think goes perfectly placed.
Trade request well done. He's back with plenty of time

(01:52:58):
before the season starts, and Jalen Daniels will wrap here
could be the quarterback two of this team. Where did
he play Kansas?

Speaker 6 (01:53:07):
Was he kid?

Speaker 5 (01:53:08):
Yep? And he was? It was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Half of why Kansas was a really fun team to
watch in a more enjoyable team to fantasize about their
potential that they never quite reached when he was playing
quarterback and Devin Neil is at running back. I love
watching Jaylen Daniels play football. He's having a really good
preseason and I know that he's making a difference. When
my Buccaneer fan friends text me Jalen Daniels for starter,

(01:53:30):
because they're being facetious, but it's still that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
It's good news.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
They're saying, really actually that they want him to be
QB two over Jake Browning. I don't think that's going
to happen, but I think he's probably earned his way onto.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
The I don't know, man, I don't. I don't like
Browning's fit in this offense. Based on what I saw this.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
Weekend, Browning hasn't looked like that little surge of a
three to five game sequence where he was winning games
with Jamar Chase t Higgins, where the numbers didn't look
much worse with him compared to Burrow. We are wrapping
this show up and we're going to finish in just
under two hours with the Titans and the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Now we have to be real shook. You're not prepped
for this.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
We've taped the show as kickoff happened in this game,
and so I'm not going to pretend like I have
massive takeaways from a game where cam Ward was out
there for three drives. I did go check and they
only ended up with three points. I think it's fair
to say like the cam Ward camp and preseason has
been frustrating for its lack of production and the up

(01:54:35):
and down practices. And we'll see like what it looks
like when live bullets are out there. But he was
out there and they didn't get it done. Some starters
out there for the Seahawks, but not many. Maybe not
the best sign in the world either, that Drew Locke,
you know, drove right down the field against the Titans
starters and had a touchdown. Don't want to reoverreact to

(01:54:56):
the preseason, but it hasn't been agreement for the Titans offensively.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
I would trust the process give this time. This is
not gonna happen overnight with your new staff and Brian
Dable and everything. Defensively, I would be a little bit
more concerned because that's the tea, that's the side that
you invested in a lot to get a lot of
Robert Soliz guys. And you know, we'll see, we'll see
right now, new staff, you got to give it time.
But I think I would have a lot more patience
on the offensive side with cam Ward and not hit

(01:55:19):
the panic button too much. It is fun though. It's
a nice little example of how we do this, how
how the cake is baked. That we may or may
not get a highlight from a game that happened while
we were doing this, and it may have come from producer.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Eric Roberts is so good that he has a Drew
Locke touchdown ready for us. Why not if you stuck
around this long, let's enjoy some Sunday night football.

Speaker 6 (01:55:50):
Ron the thirty six well off the play fake catcher's
bait and is taken it to the apishold point o
Royal Seehawks touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
Royal Baby, Let's go my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
I think he's gotta be great man. That kid moves
like you want your tight end to move. In the
year twenty twenty six. I think he can make it
happen in year two. Not what you want to see
out of the defense, totally blown coverage there by the
Titans not supposed to be that complicated a defense.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
You say trust the process offensively. I hate to say it,
but Tennessee is kind of reached the point where they're
like the Jets and the Browns to me, where it's like,
I'm not I'm not trusting the process just because of
the uniforms until they prove otherwise.

Speaker 5 (01:56:36):
I'm sorry. Well, it's a new staff. I'm gonna give
him something, I know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
Like it's just I've been hurt before by trusting the
Titans process. That's it for today's show. Thank you Shuck
for hanging out. Thank you to my family who've been
like knocking on the garage door.

Speaker 5 (01:56:53):
Aren't you done? Like we were supposed to go do something.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Thank you to everyone who tuned in live to do
it on Sunday nights. It's not going to be our
last Sunday night episode of the season. Next week we
will be here recapping Cutdown Day. That'll be same time
Sunday at a pm Eastern, but We're gonna be in
your ears all week long. Really exciting set of shows,
including the NFC North Our Final Division preview with superstar

(01:57:19):
Jordan Rodrigue that is coming on Monday.

Speaker 7 (01:57:21):
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