November 1, 2024 • 39 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by former Texans DL Seth Payne to break down the Texans and Jets facing off on Thursday Night Football. The show starts with a look at how Aaron Rodgers performed against the Texans (03:50), followed by the guys reacting to C.J. Stroud and the Texans offensive struggles (09:09), the Jets defense stepping up (22:27) and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three receivers right. Garrett Wilson solo left. Rogers in the
shotgun takes the snap. Four man rush Bob's one left
into the end zone for Garrett Wilson, one headed touch incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Did he get two feet down? He did not? Out
of the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
He made an incredible catch.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Wow, one foot down something.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
His be math had handed sang his shin or his
body part.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
There an incredible touchdown catch fight Garrett Wilson. As he
got the shin down in the back of the end zone.
He makes his second one handed touchdown catch of the
night of the chests out of.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The league, Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Is that the play that turns around the Jets season,
at least turned around Thursday Night Football. That was Bob
with Susan and Anthony Beck on w A x Q.
I am Greg Rosen here in the garage for NFL
Daily and yes, joining me on this show. Seth Payne,
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former Houston Texans legend and.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Now one of the best. Why are you laughing? Why
you laughing? Seth?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
They call that's what the NFL calls all the retired
players legends, which just so devalues that term.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, Okay, you know, I'm good. Thank you Lineman.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's a plugger, I tell you what that was.
That was hell.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Okay, I know Friday Night football promises to be and
delivered on.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is the risk.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yes, and yes you can catch Seth if you're in Houston.
You know him as the co host on Pain and
pent Ergast, and he does a great job, one of
the best out there on the local radio in the country.
And it's always a risk with this thursdayday nights. You
get on a guest that's kind of leaning one way
or another, and frankly, it wouldn't have mattered if you
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were on the Jets or the Texans side. The first
half of this game was ugly, but it woke up
after halftime. You didn't know which way was gonna go,
just the way this season is gone. You figured that
Jets would find a way to lose it in the
fourth quarter and the Texans would find a way to win.
But that play Garrett Wilson doing his best Odell Beckham impression,
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And yes, it was different in many ways, but it
was also a special special catch by Garrett Wilson on
Kwame Lassiter they review it, they call it a touchdown
and they end up winning this game twenty one to
thirteen over the Texans. You're shaking your head about my
comp to Odell Beckham, I.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Did, no, no, no, it was a beautiful guy.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'm just now appreciating it, like haven't watched the highlight again,
and it just in the moment as soon as as
soon as I saw that there was any hint of
the shin potentially being down, I just knew it at that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Why camera was that before or after the.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Texans made the field goal but got the penalty and
advanced but then missed before a goal.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Okay, that's before it. It was a crazy fourth quarter. Yes,
it was a crazy game. I mean, so the Jets
scored twenty one points. Really they scored twenty eight because
Malachi Corley dropped the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Three centimeters from the goal line.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I said at the beginning of this game, it felt
like a game that was going to be decided by
who committed the fewest catastrophes, and by the second half,
I think that what I said before this game in
our pregame show was don't be the team that allows
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it to click for the Jets. For Aaron Rodgers to
figure it out to get DeVante Adams going to really
start to see the best version of Garrett Wilson. And
they did all that in the second half, and you
especially Wade Phillips has said. Wade Phillips tweeted out that
it's it's hard to beat Rogers.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
When he knows what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
And you know, I know immediately people are gonna take
that as like some kind of an insult to Jumiko
Ryans or anything.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
This is what those old quarterbacks do. They they figure
you out.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
In the fourth quarter, he he knew he was gonna
have Jalen Petrie, the safety slash nickelback slash nickel linebacker,
manned up on DeVante Adams, and he took advantage of it,
and he hit it. And just all credit to Aaron Rodgers.
He was I don't want to say vintage Aaron Rodgers,
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but he was clicking. He figured out he uses a
hard count really well to diagnose what the defense is doing,
and he just made some clutch plays out there. And
and for the Texans, this is kind of like a
lot of the issues that we've seen bubbling beneath the surface.
But they kept winning. But now it's all come home
to roost.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
This was ever.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
The poor offensive line played big chunk plays on defense.
They've been playing like a five hundred team in a
lot of ways, but they've managed to win some close games.
But this was It's worse than five hundred when you
lose to to win football team.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, I'm with you, and we'll dive deep into the Texans.
I want to take advantage of your expertise, your knowledge,
your pain in this moment where.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
All the legend stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, just open up your heart and really find out
what's happening. But let's give let's give Rogers some love
because you're right when you said was this almost a
vintage Rogers game?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm thinking, what are you smoking?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
He was seven for fourteen for thirty two yards in
the first half. But you're right, you're right. After halftime,
I forget they only had three drives. They scored a
touchdown on all three of them. And to Wade Phillips's
point about figuring out what you're doing, I actually think
he had a decent idea for part of the first half.
I mean he saw when they were going press coverage
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on those third downs, and in general he had the
one on ones and he was trying to hit him,
but he just couldn't execute. So yeah, he was averaging
two and a half yards per attempt. In the first half,
they couldn't do anything. They fumbled one time, the Corley fumble,
so they were going in for a score there. But
there are other five drives in the first half. They
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punted on either a three and out or a four
and out every single time. And the difference I think
between this Texans team and the one you would have
seen a year ago is the Texans would have built
up a lead in that scenario. So you can blame
it a little bit on Demico Ryans' defense in the
second half, but it's also on the offense for not
taking advantage of a Jets offense that was really struggling
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in the first half, but in the second half, you're right.
Garrett Wilson is a special player. That two touchdowns, two
one handed touchdowns. He goes nine for ninety. He won
the matchups. It was with Petrie, it was with Lassiter.
They were picking on Stingley for a couple drives. He
struggled in recent weeks. DeVante Adams goes out for a
section of that fourth quarter after he had a really
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nice catch.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Was that on it was last?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, Last stumbled at the at the gentleman.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
With a nice break.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, that was on a fourth down and he got
hurt on that play. They check him for a concussion.
And let's actually listen to the call because the throw
to Adams on third down, where again he gets single coverage,
is the one that really put the game away.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Shut good Aaron Rodgers hut pre receivers right, Garrett.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Wilson's solo left, she was left.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Pre Sault takes the snap, Here comes the blitz, WAPs
one right Adams.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He's gutting at the time. Jut chuck touch down.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Rogers hounks up with this old buddy double to Adams right.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Down the chimney.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The chutup a cheap score lead.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, and if you're not watching it on YouTube, that
was three minutes to go to make it twenty one
to ten on a third and three on an all
out blitz.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It absolutely worked.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Seth.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
It's uh, that's one thing. The Texans defense has done
some things really well, but in terms of like standing
up to the test.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Versus a quarterback who was good for at.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Least a half of football, they don't have enough guys
that can really genuinely play man. So like they've got
Jalen Petrie was a safety that they moved to nickel,
but he's a better nickel linebacker and doing all that
kind of stuff than he is just being in man
coverage on people. So they it's they just they've got
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the Lions next week. I'm sorry, man. I would try
to play it down the middle and be professional since
I'm on your I'm on your fancy podcast for the
NFL dot com folks and everything, But my god, they've
got they've got Detroit. I'm not an NFC guy. How's
Detroit this year?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Are they? Are they better than the Jets? How's a?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
You do have another primetime game though, right after that,
which is against the Cowboys, which you know, as you know,
I don't need to tell you before.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, that's a big time rivalry game. That's that's
a that's shame up.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Is a big game because yes, the Texans could be
licking their wounds there at six and four, and they
haven't been as good as their record all year. And
the thing about tonight's performance that makes me most worried
is what's made me most frustrated and worried about all
the season. It's the slow shook factor of c J. Stroud.
(09:24):
That's just it's going. It's happening every week. I believe
in c J. Stroud so much. I said, like three
or four weeks ago, if I could just have one
quarterback moving forward, including age and contract and everything.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's like, I mean, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Patrick Mahomes like yeah, I mean I guess so yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Considering age, No, I'm just saying considering age, like Stroud
is so young. Like actually, I just I just love
Stroud and I thought he played so well despite what
was happening around him for five six weeks this season.
But the constant pressure I think is starting to get
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to him. He was sacked eight times in this game.
The pressure rate was forty five to fifty percent, but
the times where he was protected in this game, Look,
he doesn't have his main receivers out there. He does
did look a little panicky in a way that I've
never seen out of Stroud. That makes me believe what
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you would expect to happen Eventually, all this pressure, the accumulation,
I think is maybe starting to get to him. And
that really makes me mad at your offensive Cord Well.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Bobby Slow, it's getting a lot of heat in Houston,
like increasingly so And I don't I don't anticipate my
show starts at six am Central time. I don't, I
might not. I just I'm gonna do like a five
hour YouTube stream. So Seth paying YouTube. It's awesome. It's
a legendary.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So it is really great.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Everyone check out Seth on YouTube, and hell, listen to
the radio show to just stream it even.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, if you're in a misery, yeah, yeah, go ahead
and just misery, listen to it in the morning, because
it's gonna be miserable.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, this is it's a concern. Look, I played with
David Carr, and I.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Was talking with one of my old teammates, Gary Walker
about this the other day when we were at Andre
Johnson's ring presentation last week's game.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But like David David Carr, Yeah, you know, no big deal.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
David Carr, just a bunch of legends hanging around Andre
me just legends, same status. So but we were talking
about David Carr and David Carr you'd watch him in practice,
and David Carr back in two thousand and two, two
thousand and three. He makes some incredible throws in practice,
but he wasn't playing behind a good offensive line. I
think his the clock in his head got permanently destroyed.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And you just.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
You worry about these guys when they're in their formative
years if they're constantly on under pressure, and well, you're
talking about CJ being cool under pressure that early in
the game. You remember he ducked away from Hassan Redick,
kind of shook a Son Reddick off, and you could
see from the close up his eyes never dropped. He
had his eyes downfield the entire time. So it's not
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like he's gun shy. But things in a lot of this,
I hate to make it as simple as well, man,
things will be different when if Nico Collins comes back
next week from his hamstring injury. But Nico does make
a huge difference in not just the deep threat, but
the stuff over the middle. You know, you can you
can just you can connect on a slant over the
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middle to Nico and he breaks three tackles and it's
twenty thirty yards pretty consistently, and he just doesn't have anybody.
There's no there are no big receivers right now in
the receiving corps, you know, and even once Nico went down,
you had Tank and you had Stefan Diggs, but smaller
guys but yet which I think CJ could still manage
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pretty well with. But he just he cannot trust the
pass protection. And we've probably talked about the left guard
more in the last few weeks than we have in
over a decade, and we were wondering, like, yeah, nobody
wants to hear about it. I was actually thinking about you.
I told you because your son's a Texans fan now,
and I was like, hey, I don't know how much
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people are talking about this before the game, but left
guard is actually kind of a big deal. Lo and
behold there you go. I apologize to your son.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah you, I would say you ruined his Halloween, but
he's a nine year old. Halloween is Christmas. It's a
close second to Christmas. A Texans loss did not ruin him.
In fact, as they were loose. As the Aaron Rodgers
was throwing that touchdown past at DeVante Adams, he had
just gotten back from chick or treating and he's out
on the porch passing out the candy to the kids
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that are still coming by having the time of his life.
He's not going to be brought down on Halloween. He
We're walking on the way to school this morning and
he said, this is the best time of year. Well,
Christmas number one, Halloween, My birthday is second. So you know,
a nine year old is not gonna get it ruined,
but he would be. And I hate to think of
the Texans fans who I'm not gonna say they were
happy about an injury, but you did lose your left
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guard tonight, right right.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I had Yeah, I had quite a few.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I had actual dms from people kind of like expressing
how guilty they felt over that situation.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Kenyon Green too, who is I get confused because there's
multiple Greens.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
There's Kay, there's two k Greens that play left guard.
There's Ken Young Green and Ken Drick Green. Kendrick is
the scrappy little dude that came in and played left guard.
He was a center in Pittsburgh and he like he
got demoted to fullback the next year his second year
in Pittsburgh and like they'd given up on him as
an offensive lineman. He came to Houston and actually played
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guard last year before he got injured and I thought
was way more impressive than I expected him to be.
So this year, this week, we're wondering, all right, Kenyon
Green got benched in the game. Last week, Jared Patterson,
the Notre Dame kid, came in for him and played
pretty well for one seas reason. He got injured and
we were expecting ken Drick Green to come in, but
they book Kenyon Green back out there and then they
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rolled them out.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Okay, this is this is for your five hour YouTube.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
This is too I.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Apologize, right, Okay, this is the This is what you
need to remember if you want to Jets fans, if
you're watching this, like, enjoy us being miserable for a
second with stupidity.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Okay, last year in New York was when C. J.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Stroud was concussed by quinnin Freaking Williams by.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Poor left guard play. So we were terrified going into
this game, and that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So Offen, Yeah, I'm and I hope you and didn't
get distracted. But yeah, like I was picking up the
next gen stats pass rush numbers as you were talking
there to just see like the offensive lineman the pressures,
and I saw these stats and a this is a
this is a murder scene. Will McDonald had nine pressures,
two quick pressures, so that's under two and a half seconds.
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Quentin Williams had seven despite fourteen double teams, despite getting
double teamed almost every snap, he has seven pressures, four
quick ones. So up the middle that quick, you've woken
up Javon Kinlaw. I mean Laramie Tunsel gave up a
big sack in a big spot. So you know there
were three different times where Stroud took a sack on
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third down when it was third and long and they
were in field goal range. He kept making those field
goals longer. One of them fair Baron missed, one of
them he hit and then and this is where I
do want to get to. You're right, Stroud. I don't
think it's something that's going to last. I don't think
it's going to be David Carr. No offense to David Carr.
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But first of all, I don't expect this pressure to
continue forever. But I also think like players go through
streaks where maybe their eyes get down. But Stroud has
shown us who he is already as a pro, and
they'll get it corrected at some point. But whether it
whether it's perfect this season or not, I don't know.
I want to think about two little segments of the game.
After Corley dropped that ball just felt like a big
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moment in the game. He has Mechi going over the middle.
Stroud does after another run run pass sequence, which they
had had a number of those in this game, and
he was getting he was just about to deliver it
and he's getting hit low by Quinn Williams and that's
probably on the protection in Stroud can't make the good play.
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Then later in the game, after they make a field
goal to make it a one point game, it's fourth quarter,
mid fourth quarter, it's going to be fourteen thirteen. Jets
are getting the ball back. Then they call a penalty
on the Jets unnecessary roughness. They move the ball inside
the ten. This is maybe the key sequence in the
entire game. Joe Mixon, who starts out the great game.
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Great is fantasy owners, as long as they weren't watching
throughout their happy one hundred and six yards for a touchdown,
But all of that was in the first half, after halftime,
even late second quarter, it's one yard, two yard. One year,
it dried up for them and they're at the seven
or eight yard line, and I feel like they're panicky
about the the pass rush and they go run run
pass like one yard. I think they might have lost
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the yard like one yard, two yard or two yard
negative three game.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Okay, I'm just making things actually right.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
No, So then the third, So the third in goals,
the one I kind of wanted to get through. That
was the one where that was a little panicky because
he actually did get protected for once, and Mechi does
kind of come open on that play and he seemed
in between and understandably was just like I got to
get rid of this ball and he had Mechi open,
and that ends up being a really big play because
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then fair Pan hits it off. He doinks one from
a chip shot range, Jets go on for the killer touchdown,
and that's really your sequence. And then on that very
last drive, not to beat a dead horse, but they're
just trying to get a score late and he's missing
some throws that it seemed like they were open for him.
I'm like, oh, that is not the CJ. Stroud that
I know. Finishing eleven for thirty for one ninety one
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on the night.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, and it's a hodgepodge of things. The offensive line
in the pass protection in John role, I think is
the easiest thing to point the finger at. It's the
most identifiable. I think that the and I really I
hate to overly simplify it, but I think that Nicocollins
presence last year was probably underrated in how much and
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how good that offense, or at least how much progress
that offense made and how good CJ did, So it.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Should make a difference.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I don't know how much it helps and fixes the
past protection issues, but also some of the there's there's
too many times where it doesn't seem like CJ has
answers for the blitz and whether it's just him not
not going to the hots quick enough, if it's the
actual play design. At various times I could point the finger.
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I mean, all of that eventually comes back to the
offensive coordinator. And I think, you know, Bobby Slowik, who
just got a bunch of interest and a whole lot
of buzz about being a head coach. The entire offseason,
we were wondering, all right, well, he had a really
promising performance with a rookie quarterback, but he hasn't shown
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that he can create a complete offense and a lot
of that came down to you. I talked to you
before the season began. I felt like I felt like
even people that were gushing about the Texans offense nationally
were kind of ignoring the fact that they did have
they They could not run the ball last year, even
when it should have been easy to.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Run the ball.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And now with mixing, I mean, so much of it,
even though the blocking has improved, so much of it
is just mixing being like a younger mixing. Like they
said on the broadcast, that looks like he's five or
six years younger than he was.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
He's able to take.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Imperfect blocking and blocking that for a lot of under
running backs, it's a tackle for a loss or no gain.
He figures out a way to go get ten or
twelve yards. But by the second half, the Jets figured
it out, you know, and the Jets defense started to
look a lot more like the Jets defense from.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
So there's simply not a complete offense with or without
Nico Collins. You really get no feel that they can
use the run game in the past game to compliment
each other, to balance each other out.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
They can't run when they need to run.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
It's just it's been a mediocre offense in terms of scoring.
I think there were fourteenth in scoring headed into this game.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's pretty much what you said.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
They can't score in the second half, so that was
no surprise the Texans fans that they couldn't score in
the second half.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
They've been miserable in the second half.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
They're twentieth in DVOA on offense going into tonight, which
is crazy. And I think to your point about slow,
strouds as composed as impressive a young quarterback as I've
ever seen. So I think he's got great players to
work with, and it was a little less about the
scheme last year and more just about you know that
they built the right offense around him, but excellent players.
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You have an all pro left tackle, you have a
dynamite quarterback, you have Nico Collins, you have tanked out well.
Now take down went six for one to twenty six tonight.
I think that was encouraging for all this honking I've
done about Stroud, Like the touchdown drive that they had.
He had two of the best throws you'll ever see,
one to Robert Woods on the run, one to Tank
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Dell and then he had the fifty yard er to
Tank Dell in the second half, which is just absolutely
insane throw. So the talents there, the excitements there. It's
not like I think this thing can't get fixed. I'm
glad you mentioned the Blitz because Jeff Albrick deserves some
credit for when he dialed it up. This has been
a bad Jets defense over the last three weeks since
he took over, so they get a little credit here
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for getting the win. Stroud goes oh for five against
the Blitz when he threw it, and that says it all.
I'm not sure how many sacks he took. I believe
it it was two sacks on those plays. Two felt
like yeah. So he did not complete a pass against
the Blitz and Hassan Reddick makes a difference this team
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and in this game, like C. J. Stroud was strip
sacked in the first half. They had the ball inside
the ten or inside the fifteen early in the game,
and that was from a Quinn Williams pressure on your
boy Green. Yeah, But also on the other side, Clemens
collapsing the pocket. Reddick was collapsing the pocket all night.
He ended up getting a sack and then c J.
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Stroud was trying to step up, but he couldn't step
up because there was Quinn Williams in the middle. So
Will McDonald like, they had guys step up and whatever
the vision for whoever the Jets are gonna be. Yes,
it's against this Texans offensive line, who have looked bad
against everyone, but so of the Patriots and the Texans.
I mean, the Jets passers looked terrible last week, just
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five days ago against the Patriots. So's it's a pretty
big step in the right direction for the Jets to
take what's a struggling unit and actually make a difference
on defense. It's been a while and they're gonna have
a long weekend and they're gonna feel like, Okay, maybe
we can build from.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
This, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
And I think from the Texans perspective against this team
and the Jets, I was saying all week, look, they're
two and six. Great, there's no looking past the Jets
because all you have to do is look at the
depth chart. And if there's anybody on the Texans that
was looking at the Jets depth chart and thought, nah,
two and six football team, like you're dead inside, You're
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dead inside, or you're you're high all the time. They
they've got players all over the place. The story was
that they were what's.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That I just said? That sounds like a fun compo
Sorry for dead.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, well usually it goes in the other order, but yeah,
they it's like, there's no there's no letups. Versus this
team on a in a primetime game, You're just You're
going against Aaron freaking Rogers.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't care what he's looked like this year so far.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
You're going against Garrett Garrett Wilson had three hundred yard
games in the previous four games. You're going against DeVante Adams, who, yeah,
hadn't done much, but he's DeVante Adams and he's just
been on the team.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
For a couple of weeks. Last week, the Jets looked.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Against the Patriots like they didn't know what They couldn't
get a playoff they burned. Last week, the Jets burned
three timeouts in the first quarter to avoid delay of games.
They got a delay a game in the fourth quarter,
and and in the first quarter of this game, you
had your chance to pounce right. The Jets were doing
all kinds of Jets type things, except the Texans match
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them pace for pace with idiotic, weird, stupid things to do.
So yeah, I think if I were a Jets fan,
you don't want to read too much into a win
like this. But that second half, man, they looked they
looked a lot like that depth chart should look when
they're playing actual football.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, they play the card. It was funny. Al Michaels
was great on this. Well, I wouldn't say he was
great on this broadcast overall, because like when the game's
bad there, it was just so low energy. They're just
every once in a while, I just think doesn't does
the NFL ever watch this and like want announcers who
are a little more excited about the game, because they're
always just so complaining when it's a bad game and
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the met life was dead, they're actually chanting. They were
actually chanting sell the team as they were going to halftime.
And there's Booze and Alan Kirk, but they when he
was taking He is great in certain aspects too, though
Al was saying how Aaron Rodgers when he met with him,
just went through this whole thing, and Al was sort
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of rolling his eyes as he was talking. He was
very convincing talking about well, they'll just beat the Cardinals
and they're gonna be a Western team going east, and
then it'll be a short week and you got the
Colts and then you go to a bye and blah
blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, you can
kind of make the case there they can win any
of these games. None of them are locks, and so
the Jets could get back into it at three and six.
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The problem is, are they that much more likely to
win any of these games than lose.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
They all seem.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
About like fifty to fifty propositions. As much as the
Texans have probably been like a four and four type
of team instead of six and two coming, I think
the Jets have been closer to a five hundred team,
and they just keep losing these heartbreaking class teams and
so it'll probably bounce out. But that still just means
you're a five hundred team. It doesn't mean you're about
to go on some great run.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think it's a big one to win this game
tonight for the Jets. This is the very moment in
the season when professionalism can start to wane. If the
team is just dead in the water, then your younger
players or your less professional players kind of start to
let go of the rope a little bit and just
let the water take them down. They start staying out
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a little later, they're not in the weight room as early,
so that's a big boost at this point in the season.
I think for the Texans, the trend has just been
kind of a steady degradation from weeks from week one
until now to where things look like they're starting to
catch up with some of their deficiencies, like the Texans
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tackling even on defense. As good as they've been on
defense the first few weeks, they were really sound attack.
Then you saw tonight lots of mistackles, lots of poor angles,
lots of just giving guys like guys that look like
they do on the depth chart, the chance to break
long runs. You know what, though, I gotta blame Bill
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Belichick a little bit. I think, Oh, I didn't need
Bill Belichick going out criticizing his sond reddick and then
his sound reddick firing back on him on social media.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I didn't. Yeah, you see the firing back.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
No oh no, Belichick just said mentioned on the McAfee
shower on one of the nineteen outlets. He's on the
sound Reddick was just kind of running past the quarterback
last week, so a sound Reddick sond Reddick said something
like Belichick. Belichick sounds like he's just sitting at home
and board. He needs a job, And I was like, well, yeah,
I mean, he's probably making more money than you at
his current jobs.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But he he showed up tonight.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean, yeah, so did Belichick on one of those
underdog ads though, I mean he's cashing them check.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So oh, they're both they're both doing well.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Put a pin in the ad thing for a second,
because as far as the San Reddit goes, and that
that defensive line in general versus the Texans offensive line,
the I'm so tired.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm so tired of people. We've got this.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
We've got like this propaganda machine for the offensive line
in Houston where people keep trying to point out how
good the actual offensive line actually is, and they'll bring
up the proof the PFF grades, the Pro Football Focus
grades of the offensive tackles, and I'm like, listen, in
pass protection, they've generally been pretty good. But I don't
usually play the PFF game. But if you're gonna start
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the PFF game pull up their overall grades because both
those offensive tackles are graded like twentieth and twenty eighth
in PFF. So if you're gonna play the PFF game,
don't cherry pick. It's been a bad offensive line. As
far as the ads, okay, they tailor those ads during
the Amazon broadcast, don't they. There, we don't all see
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the same commercials. I think they base on your purchase
history because I wanted to buy every damn thing I
saw one.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Okay, yeah, the Amazon ones are crazy. Yeah, it's a
lot of I'm trying to think what they do. Yeah,
they put it up on the screen to just buy it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's a lot of target well not even.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, but also just like the actual conventional TV type commercials,
we're not all seeing the same commercials because I've never
wanted I changed car insurance companies last month, I saw
like every other ad was like even more so than
a normal football broadcast, an or ring which now I
want one of these fitness trackers. I saw it and
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I want it now, and I've never seen.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
An ad for it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
You probably saw a lot of toy commercials and stuff,
and I saw zero toy commercials.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, it's I got the kids.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Actually, while we're talking social media, let's actually put up
a couple of other tweets. I just was enjoying the
Seth Payne performance on Twitter in the first half of
this game. He writes, Sauce tackles like the elite golfer.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
He's focused.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Oh those were the days, weren't they back when I
was talking smack?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, you're right though.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Sas Gardner had one drive in this game where I
think he had a penalty mistackle. He gave up a
big play. He was crazy, and then he left hurt.
For a minute, it was just like, wow, he missed.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
The tackle to Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Then he got beat by by the forty seven year
old Robert Woods on a triple move, and.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Then he got beat by John Well.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
He had to hold John Mechi because John Metchie was
about to beat him, and then he got injured as
he held him.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think, yeah, yeah, that that was a brutal drive
for him.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
A couple of young cornerbacks who've been playing pretty rough.
Let's see another tweet from Seth pain Those Jets fans
have to pay a fee for grocery bags in New York,
So you know they mean it.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Oh yeah, reference to the guys wearing the bags over
their heads.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
They're imitating a good good follow What is it at seth'
sea pin seth sea pain.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I quit Twitter for a while and then I really
well people started paying me to tweet. So I'm like,
all right, I'm backing it, baby, people are.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Paying you to tweet.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I get sponsored posts now.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Wow. No, I always I do the little hashtag. Don't worry, Greg,
I'm not going to Amazon you.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I gotta I gotta get in on that.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Those were some info afterwards.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll be back
in just a second. Look, should we listen to uh
the Malachi Corley dropped us to see what was it
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worth it?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah? Those were the days too.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, the pain of the jets as they were going
in for the potential touchdown.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Let's listen alone setback it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Named around a Malicai gets a block, gets to the
twenty to the fifteen.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Of the turn pilot.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's a jet touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
The rookie he's an appearance, said, finds the end zone
Mala guy Carly his first Jet touchdown in New York
takes the lead early.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
On the field of a touchdown is under further reviews.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm not sure for what it turns out makes say
rookie mistake. He dropped the ball before he broke the
plane at the end zone celebrating his touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh that poor kid man.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Uh, that was only his second NFL touch his first touchdown.
First of all, hold on to that ball. He just
let it roll right out the back of the whole
end zone.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
One.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
No one was paying attention to that ball. If the
Texan said picked that up and ran with it, who knows?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I mean, Melchi, this is what I tell Meliki Coley. Listen,
Malachi Uh. First of all, killer name, awesome, good job.
The second I was on the field when a young
Plexico Burris in his first game ever, got a reception
over the middle, untouched by defenders, went to the ground,
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stood up and spiked the ball and we recovered it
and plascow. Burris would go on to have a largely
unblemished career, a productive career after that on the field.
So don't worry. He never did Plexco Burro has never
did another stupid thing on the field. Yeah, so you'll
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be cool in New York.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Register your firearms. Smell Chai.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
You know what he also did though, which I feel
like he doesn't get enough pop for score the goddamn
game winning touchdown to beat the only undefeated team in
NFL history in the Super Bowl. It's kind of weird
that the Plexico Burris just absolutely destroying Ellis Hobbs off
the line of scrimmage gets forgotten in that moment.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Right, But these are I do say it occurred to
me as Malachi Courtly did that, or is that we
realized that Malachi Courtly did that.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I feel like you should.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Get one mulligan in a career, like for something like that,
that somehow you can just say, all right, this is
once in a career you get to a mulligan on
something like when you pull a leon let or let
I'll say, Anthony Richardson pull himself out.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Of the game because he was because he was tired.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Oh, come on, running backs do that all the time.
You know, he just had thrown like a three hundred
pounder off of.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
The running backs do do it all the time. And
that's the point. It's that the running backs get rotated out.
The point being that in the one hundred plus history
one hundred plus year history of the NFL, nobody can
remember another time a quarterback has done that. So and
by the way, yeah, he threw off. So when Anthony
Richardson took himself out of the game.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
He threw the he threw fully, fully fought a.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Cossi fell off his back, which was impressive that Anthony
Richardson did that three hundred plus pound defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But he didn't even make it to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Like it wasn't like a Lamar Jackson forty nine yard
run or anything like. He he got sacked on that
play and then it was too tired to go back in.
This is fair, this is watchable.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
This is why you need the legend perspective because I'm
just I'm just a podcaster, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And I was like, oh, that's so bad.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And then you hear the actual Coults team captain Ryan
Kelly like basically saying what you just said after the game.
I was like, oh, I guess I'm I guess I'm
wrong on this one. And that's that's why you are.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
You know what, Okay, so no, this is this is
one of those things where I learned long ago. I
never want to be that guy that says like, you
don't know because you didn't play the game.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I hate that.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I hate that when athletes do that, because your job,
if you're in broadcasting, is to use your experience to
explain why it's different. So I got I got a
lot of questions from people this week, like, hey, stuff,
why is it that big a deal? So I had
to calm myself and not be a meatthead.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's like, because that's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's listen, quarterbacks, that's your offense, and you're if you're
out there, it's because you need to be out there
directing the show.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And yeah, if you just had a.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Physically grolling play, then if you're if your coordinator knows
what the hell he's doing, he's not going to call
a run play on the next play.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But this is what's being lost in it. Greg.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It was third in goal. It was third and goal
when they were down by ten. So imagine being a
quarterback in a third and goal situation, down by ten
deciding that like, who I just I don't feel like
i'm one hundred percent I better, I need a breather
here before we kick a field goal.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
For young man.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
But he added a lot of context frankly that you know,
we have a daily show, it's in the name, and
yet we didn't have a lot of this context previously.
So again, that's why you are a legend. And look,
you were very self effacing.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
When when I called you that early on.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
But it's like I've heard people say this, like this
is like the thing about like young white guys just
when they hang around, like you can just be like
like someone can walk in you amongst your.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Friends, just like, oh it's Bob. It's the legend. It's
the legend. And it's just like, wait, who's Bob. He's
just like, oh, he's in accounting, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Okay, yeah, I'll take that. Yeah he's a legend. Yeah
all right, yeah that's you.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Seth Pain.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Uh yeah, check out his YouTube channel Seth Pain on
YouTube and Pain and Pendergrass and yeah, you're starting that
show soon, so we will.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
We will send you on your merry way.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We will be back for our pick show.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
We got it, uh with Cynthia Freelan on Friday afternoon,
and then yeah, we we do the whole thing once
again with our Sunday recap show. And yeah, look when
the Jets are just given their face and some hope
might turn into false hope, and it's getting into November.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah you know football is back.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Texans chets AFC Championship.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Yes,
Three receivers right. Garrett Wilson solo left. Rogers in the
shotgun takes the snap. Four man rush Bob's one left
into the end zone for Garrett Wilson, one headed touch incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Did he get two feet down? He did not? Out
of the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
He made an incredible catch.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Wow, one foot down something.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
His be math had handed sang his shin or his
body part.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
There an incredible touchdown catch fight Garrett Wilson. As he
got the shin down in the back of the end zone.
He makes his second one handed touchdown catch of the
night of the chests out of.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The league, Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Is that the play that turns around the Jets season,
at least turned around Thursday Night Football. That was Bob
with Susan and Anthony Beck on w A x Q.
I am Greg Rosen here in the garage for NFL
Daily and yes, joining me on this show. Seth Payne,
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former Houston Texans legend and.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Now one of the best. Why are you laughing? Why
you laughing? Seth?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
They call that's what the NFL calls all the retired
players legends, which just so devalues that term.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, Okay, you know, I'm good. Thank you Lineman.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's a plugger, I tell you what that was.
That was hell.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Okay, I know Friday Night football promises to be and
delivered on.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is the risk.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yes, and yes you can catch Seth if you're in Houston.
You know him as the co host on Pain and
pent Ergast, and he does a great job, one of
the best out there on the local radio in the country.
And it's always a risk with this thursdayday nights. You
get on a guest that's kind of leaning one way
or another, and frankly, it wouldn't have mattered if you
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were on the Jets or the Texans side. The first
half of this game was ugly, but it woke up
after halftime. You didn't know which way was gonna go,
just the way this season is gone. You figured that
Jets would find a way to lose it in the
fourth quarter and the Texans would find a way to win.
But that play Garrett Wilson doing his best Odell Beckham impression,
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And yes, it was different in many ways, but it
was also a special special catch by Garrett Wilson on
Kwame Lassiter they review it, they call it a touchdown
and they end up winning this game twenty one to
thirteen over the Texans. You're shaking your head about my
comp to Odell Beckham, I.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Did, no, no, no, it was a beautiful guy.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'm just now appreciating it, like haven't watched the highlight again,
and it just in the moment as soon as as
soon as I saw that there was any hint of
the shin potentially being down, I just knew it at that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Why camera was that before or after the.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Texans made the field goal but got the penalty and
advanced but then missed before a goal.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Okay, that's before it. It was a crazy fourth quarter. Yes,
it was a crazy game. I mean, so the Jets
scored twenty one points. Really they scored twenty eight because
Malachi Corley dropped the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Three centimeters from the goal line.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I said at the beginning of this game, it felt
like a game that was going to be decided by
who committed the fewest catastrophes, and by the second half,
I think that what I said before this game in
our pregame show was don't be the team that allows
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it to click for the Jets. For Aaron Rodgers to
figure it out to get DeVante Adams going to really
start to see the best version of Garrett Wilson. And
they did all that in the second half, and you
especially Wade Phillips has said. Wade Phillips tweeted out that
it's it's hard to beat Rogers.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
When he knows what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
And you know, I know immediately people are gonna take
that as like some kind of an insult to Jumiko
Ryans or anything.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
This is what those old quarterbacks do. They they figure
you out.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
In the fourth quarter, he he knew he was gonna
have Jalen Petrie, the safety slash nickelback slash nickel linebacker,
manned up on DeVante Adams, and he took advantage of it,
and he hit it. And just all credit to Aaron Rodgers.
He was I don't want to say vintage Aaron Rodgers,
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but he was clicking. He figured out he uses a
hard count really well to diagnose what the defense is doing,
and he just made some clutch plays out there. And
and for the Texans, this is kind of like a
lot of the issues that we've seen bubbling beneath the surface.
But they kept winning. But now it's all come home
to roost.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
This was ever.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
The poor offensive line played big chunk plays on defense.
They've been playing like a five hundred team in a
lot of ways, but they've managed to win some close games.
But this was It's worse than five hundred when you
lose to to win football team.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, I'm with you, and we'll dive deep into the Texans.
I want to take advantage of your expertise, your knowledge,
your pain in this moment where.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
All the legend stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, just open up your heart and really find out
what's happening. But let's give let's give Rogers some love
because you're right when you said was this almost a
vintage Rogers game?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm thinking, what are you smoking?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
He was seven for fourteen for thirty two yards in
the first half. But you're right, you're right. After halftime,
I forget they only had three drives. They scored a
touchdown on all three of them. And to Wade Phillips's
point about figuring out what you're doing, I actually think
he had a decent idea for part of the first half.
I mean he saw when they were going press coverage
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on those third downs, and in general he had the
one on ones and he was trying to hit him,
but he just couldn't execute. So yeah, he was averaging
two and a half yards per attempt. In the first half,
they couldn't do anything. They fumbled one time, the Corley fumble,
so they were going in for a score there. But
there are other five drives in the first half. They
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punted on either a three and out or a four
and out every single time. And the difference I think
between this Texans team and the one you would have
seen a year ago is the Texans would have built
up a lead in that scenario. So you can blame
it a little bit on Demico Ryans' defense in the
second half, but it's also on the offense for not
taking advantage of a Jets offense that was really struggling
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in the first half, but in the second half, you're right.
Garrett Wilson is a special player. That two touchdowns, two
one handed touchdowns. He goes nine for ninety. He won
the matchups. It was with Petrie, it was with Lassiter.
They were picking on Stingley for a couple drives. He
struggled in recent weeks. DeVante Adams goes out for a
section of that fourth quarter after he had a really
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nice catch.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Was that on it was last?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, Last stumbled at the at the gentleman.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
With a nice break.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah, that was on a fourth down and he got
hurt on that play. They check him for a concussion.
And let's actually listen to the call because the throw
to Adams on third down, where again he gets single coverage,
is the one that really put the game away.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Shut good Aaron Rodgers hut pre receivers right, Garrett.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Wilson's solo left, she was left.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Pre Sault takes the snap, Here comes the blitz, WAPs
one right Adams.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He's gutting at the time. Jut chuck touch down.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Rogers hounks up with this old buddy double to Adams right.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Down the chimney.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The chutup a cheap score lead.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, and if you're not watching it on YouTube, that
was three minutes to go to make it twenty one
to ten on a third and three on an all
out blitz.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It absolutely worked.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Seth.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
It's uh, that's one thing. The Texans defense has done
some things really well, but in terms of like standing
up to the test.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Versus a quarterback who was good for at.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Least a half of football, they don't have enough guys
that can really genuinely play man. So like they've got
Jalen Petrie was a safety that they moved to nickel,
but he's a better nickel linebacker and doing all that
kind of stuff than he is just being in man
coverage on people. So they it's they just they've got
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the Lions next week. I'm sorry, man. I would try
to play it down the middle and be professional since
I'm on your I'm on your fancy podcast for the
NFL dot com folks and everything, But my god, they've
got they've got Detroit. I'm not an NFC guy. How's
Detroit this year?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Are they? Are they better than the Jets? How's a?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
You do have another primetime game though, right after that,
which is against the Cowboys, which you know, as you know,
I don't need to tell you before.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, that's a big time rivalry game. That's that's
a that's shame up.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Is a big game because yes, the Texans could be
licking their wounds there at six and four, and they
haven't been as good as their record all year. And
the thing about tonight's performance that makes me most worried
is what's made me most frustrated and worried about all
the season. It's the slow shook factor of c J. Stroud.
(09:24):
That's just it's going. It's happening every week. I believe
in c J. Stroud so much. I said, like three
or four weeks ago, if I could just have one
quarterback moving forward, including age and contract and everything.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's like, I mean, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Patrick Mahomes like yeah, I mean I guess so yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Considering age, No, I'm just saying considering age, like Stroud
is so young. Like actually, I just I just love
Stroud and I thought he played so well despite what
was happening around him for five six weeks this season.
But the constant pressure I think is starting to get
(10:05):
to him. He was sacked eight times in this game.
The pressure rate was forty five to fifty percent, but
the times where he was protected in this game, Look,
he doesn't have his main receivers out there. He does
did look a little panicky in a way that I've
never seen out of Stroud. That makes me believe what
(10:26):
you would expect to happen Eventually, all this pressure, the accumulation,
I think is maybe starting to get to him. And
that really makes me mad at your offensive Cord Well.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Bobby Slow, it's getting a lot of heat in Houston,
like increasingly so And I don't I don't anticipate my
show starts at six am Central time. I don't, I
might not. I just I'm gonna do like a five
hour YouTube stream. So Seth paying YouTube. It's awesome. It's
a legendary.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So it is really great.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Everyone check out Seth on YouTube, and hell, listen to
the radio show to just stream it even.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, if you're in a misery, yeah, yeah, go ahead
and just misery, listen to it in the morning, because
it's gonna be miserable.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, this is it's a concern. Look, I played with
David Carr, and I.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Was talking with one of my old teammates, Gary Walker
about this the other day when we were at Andre
Johnson's ring presentation last week's game.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But like David David Carr, Yeah, you know, no big deal.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
David Carr, just a bunch of legends hanging around Andre
me just legends, same status. So but we were talking
about David Carr and David Carr you'd watch him in practice,
and David Carr back in two thousand and two, two
thousand and three. He makes some incredible throws in practice,
but he wasn't playing behind a good offensive line. I
think his the clock in his head got permanently destroyed.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And you just.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
You worry about these guys when they're in their formative
years if they're constantly on under pressure, and well, you're
talking about CJ being cool under pressure that early in
the game. You remember he ducked away from Hassan Redick,
kind of shook a Son Reddick off, and you could
see from the close up his eyes never dropped. He
had his eyes downfield the entire time. So it's not
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like he's gun shy. But things in a lot of this,
I hate to make it as simple as well, man,
things will be different when if Nico Collins comes back
next week from his hamstring injury. But Nico does make
a huge difference in not just the deep threat, but
the stuff over the middle. You know, you can you
can just you can connect on a slant over the
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middle to Nico and he breaks three tackles and it's
twenty thirty yards pretty consistently, and he just doesn't have anybody.
There's no there are no big receivers right now in
the receiving corps, you know, and even once Nico went down,
you had Tank and you had Stefan Diggs, but smaller
guys but yet which I think CJ could still manage
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pretty well with. But he just he cannot trust the
pass protection. And we've probably talked about the left guard
more in the last few weeks than we have in
over a decade, and we were wondering, like, yeah, nobody
wants to hear about it. I was actually thinking about you.
I told you because your son's a Texans fan now,
and I was like, hey, I don't know how much
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people are talking about this before the game, but left
guard is actually kind of a big deal. Lo and
behold there you go. I apologize to your son.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah you, I would say you ruined his Halloween, but
he's a nine year old. Halloween is Christmas. It's a
close second to Christmas. A Texans loss did not ruin him.
In fact, as they were loose. As the Aaron Rodgers
was throwing that touchdown past at DeVante Adams, he had
just gotten back from chick or treating and he's out
on the porch passing out the candy to the kids
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that are still coming by having the time of his life.
He's not going to be brought down on Halloween. He
We're walking on the way to school this morning and
he said, this is the best time of year. Well,
Christmas number one, Halloween, My birthday is second. So you know,
a nine year old is not gonna get it ruined,
but he would be. And I hate to think of
the Texans fans who I'm not gonna say they were
happy about an injury, but you did lose your left
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guard tonight, right right.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I had Yeah, I had quite a few.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I had actual dms from people kind of like expressing
how guilty they felt over that situation.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Kenyon Green too, who is I get confused because there's
multiple Greens.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
There's Kay, there's two k Greens that play left guard.
There's Ken Young Green and Ken Drick Green. Kendrick is
the scrappy little dude that came in and played left guard.
He was a center in Pittsburgh and he like he
got demoted to fullback the next year his second year
in Pittsburgh and like they'd given up on him as
an offensive lineman. He came to Houston and actually played
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guard last year before he got injured and I thought
was way more impressive than I expected him to be.
So this year, this week, we're wondering, all right, Kenyon
Green got benched in the game. Last week, Jared Patterson,
the Notre Dame kid, came in for him and played
pretty well for one seas reason. He got injured and
we were expecting ken Drick Green to come in, but
they book Kenyon Green back out there and then they
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rolled them out.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Okay, this is this is for your five hour YouTube.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
This is too I.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Apologize, right, Okay, this is the This is what you
need to remember if you want to Jets fans, if
you're watching this, like, enjoy us being miserable for a
second with stupidity.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Okay, last year in New York was when C. J.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Stroud was concussed by quinnin Freaking Williams by.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Poor left guard play. So we were terrified going into
this game, and that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So Offen, Yeah, I'm and I hope you and didn't
get distracted. But yeah, like I was picking up the
next gen stats pass rush numbers as you were talking
there to just see like the offensive lineman the pressures,
and I saw these stats and a this is a
this is a murder scene. Will McDonald had nine pressures,
two quick pressures, so that's under two and a half seconds.
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Quentin Williams had seven despite fourteen double teams, despite getting
double teamed almost every snap, he has seven pressures, four
quick ones. So up the middle that quick, you've woken
up Javon Kinlaw. I mean Laramie Tunsel gave up a
big sack in a big spot. So you know there
were three different times where Stroud took a sack on
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third down when it was third and long and they
were in field goal range. He kept making those field
goals longer. One of them fair Baron missed, one of
them he hit and then and this is where I
do want to get to. You're right, Stroud. I don't
think it's something that's going to last. I don't think
it's going to be David Carr. No offense to David Carr.
(16:37):
But first of all, I don't expect this pressure to
continue forever. But I also think like players go through
streaks where maybe their eyes get down. But Stroud has
shown us who he is already as a pro, and
they'll get it corrected at some point. But whether it
whether it's perfect this season or not, I don't know.
I want to think about two little segments of the game.
After Corley dropped that ball just felt like a big
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moment in the game. He has Mechi going over the middle.
Stroud does after another run run pass sequence, which they
had had a number of those in this game, and
he was getting he was just about to deliver it
and he's getting hit low by Quinn Williams and that's
probably on the protection in Stroud can't make the good play.
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Then later in the game, after they make a field
goal to make it a one point game, it's fourth quarter,
mid fourth quarter, it's going to be fourteen thirteen. Jets
are getting the ball back. Then they call a penalty
on the Jets unnecessary roughness. They move the ball inside
the ten. This is maybe the key sequence in the
entire game. Joe Mixon, who starts out the great game.
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Great is fantasy owners, as long as they weren't watching
throughout their happy one hundred and six yards for a touchdown,
But all of that was in the first half, after halftime,
even late second quarter, it's one yard, two yard. One year,
it dried up for them and they're at the seven
or eight yard line, and I feel like they're panicky
about the the pass rush and they go run run
pass like one yard. I think they might have lost
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the yard like one yard, two yard or two yard
negative three game.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Okay, I'm just making things actually right.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
No, So then the third, So the third in goals,
the one I kind of wanted to get through. That
was the one where that was a little panicky because
he actually did get protected for once, and Mechi does
kind of come open on that play and he seemed
in between and understandably was just like I got to
get rid of this ball and he had Mechi open,
and that ends up being a really big play because
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then fair Pan hits it off. He doinks one from
a chip shot range, Jets go on for the killer touchdown,
and that's really your sequence. And then on that very
last drive, not to beat a dead horse, but they're
just trying to get a score late and he's missing
some throws that it seemed like they were open for him.
I'm like, oh, that is not the CJ. Stroud that
I know. Finishing eleven for thirty for one ninety one
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on the night.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, and it's a hodgepodge of things. The offensive line
in the pass protection in John role, I think is
the easiest thing to point the finger at. It's the
most identifiable. I think that the and I really I
hate to overly simplify it, but I think that Nicocollins
presence last year was probably underrated in how much and
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how good that offense, or at least how much progress
that offense made and how good CJ did, So it.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Should make a difference.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I don't know how much it helps and fixes the
past protection issues, but also some of the there's there's
too many times where it doesn't seem like CJ has
answers for the blitz and whether it's just him not
not going to the hots quick enough, if it's the
actual play design. At various times I could point the finger.
(19:46):
I mean, all of that eventually comes back to the
offensive coordinator. And I think, you know, Bobby Slowik, who
just got a bunch of interest and a whole lot
of buzz about being a head coach. The entire offseason,
we were wondering, all right, well, he had a really
promising performance with a rookie quarterback, but he hasn't shown
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that he can create a complete offense and a lot
of that came down to you. I talked to you
before the season began. I felt like I felt like
even people that were gushing about the Texans offense nationally
were kind of ignoring the fact that they did have
they They could not run the ball last year, even
when it should have been easy to.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Run the ball.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And now with mixing, I mean, so much of it,
even though the blocking has improved, so much of it
is just mixing being like a younger mixing. Like they
said on the broadcast, that looks like he's five or
six years younger than he was.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
He's able to take.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Imperfect blocking and blocking that for a lot of under
running backs, it's a tackle for a loss or no gain.
He figures out a way to go get ten or
twelve yards. But by the second half, the Jets figured
it out, you know, and the Jets defense started to
look a lot more like the Jets defense from.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
So there's simply not a complete offense with or without
Nico Collins. You really get no feel that they can
use the run game in the past game to compliment
each other, to balance each other out.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
They can't run when they need to run.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
It's just it's been a mediocre offense in terms of scoring.
I think there were fourteenth in scoring headed into this game.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's pretty much what you said.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
They can't score in the second half, so that was
no surprise the Texans fans that they couldn't score in
the second half.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
They've been miserable in the second half.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
They're twentieth in DVOA on offense going into tonight, which
is crazy. And I think to your point about slow,
strouds as composed as impressive a young quarterback as I've
ever seen. So I think he's got great players to
work with, and it was a little less about the
scheme last year and more just about you know that
they built the right offense around him, but excellent players.
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You have an all pro left tackle, you have a
dynamite quarterback, you have Nico Collins, you have tanked out well.
Now take down went six for one to twenty six tonight.
I think that was encouraging for all this honking I've
done about Stroud, Like the touchdown drive that they had.
He had two of the best throws you'll ever see,
one to Robert Woods on the run, one to Tank
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Dell and then he had the fifty yard er to
Tank Dell in the second half, which is just absolutely
insane throw. So the talents there, the excitements there. It's
not like I think this thing can't get fixed. I'm
glad you mentioned the Blitz because Jeff Albrick deserves some
credit for when he dialed it up. This has been
a bad Jets defense over the last three weeks since
he took over, so they get a little credit here
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for getting the win. Stroud goes oh for five against
the Blitz when he threw it, and that says it all.
I'm not sure how many sacks he took. I believe
it it was two sacks on those plays. Two felt
like yeah. So he did not complete a pass against
the Blitz and Hassan Reddick makes a difference this team
(23:01):
and in this game, like C. J. Stroud was strip
sacked in the first half. They had the ball inside
the ten or inside the fifteen early in the game,
and that was from a Quinn Williams pressure on your
boy Green. Yeah, But also on the other side, Clemens
collapsing the pocket. Reddick was collapsing the pocket all night.
He ended up getting a sack and then c J.
(23:21):
Stroud was trying to step up, but he couldn't step
up because there was Quinn Williams in the middle. So
Will McDonald like, they had guys step up and whatever
the vision for whoever the Jets are gonna be. Yes,
it's against this Texans offensive line, who have looked bad
against everyone, but so of the Patriots and the Texans.
I mean, the Jets passers looked terrible last week, just
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five days ago against the Patriots. So's it's a pretty
big step in the right direction for the Jets to
take what's a struggling unit and actually make a difference
on defense. It's been a while and they're gonna have
a long weekend and they're gonna feel like, Okay, maybe
we can build from.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
This, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
And I think from the Texans perspective against this team
and the Jets, I was saying all week, look, they're
two and six. Great, there's no looking past the Jets
because all you have to do is look at the
depth chart. And if there's anybody on the Texans that
was looking at the Jets depth chart and thought, nah,
two and six football team, like you're dead inside, You're
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dead inside, or you're you're high all the time. They
they've got players all over the place. The story was
that they were what's.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That I just said? That sounds like a fun compo
Sorry for dead.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, well usually it goes in the other order, but yeah,
they it's like, there's no there's no letups. Versus this
team on a in a primetime game, You're just You're
going against Aaron freaking Rogers.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't care what he's looked like this year so far.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
You're going against Garrett Garrett Wilson had three hundred yard
games in the previous four games. You're going against DeVante Adams, who, yeah,
hadn't done much, but he's DeVante Adams and he's just
been on the team.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
For a couple of weeks. Last week, the Jets looked.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Against the Patriots like they didn't know what They couldn't
get a playoff they burned. Last week, the Jets burned
three timeouts in the first quarter to avoid delay of games.
They got a delay a game in the fourth quarter,
and and in the first quarter of this game, you
had your chance to pounce right. The Jets were doing
all kinds of Jets type things, except the Texans match
(25:20):
them pace for pace with idiotic, weird, stupid things to do.
So yeah, I think if I were a Jets fan,
you don't want to read too much into a win
like this. But that second half, man, they looked they
looked a lot like that depth chart should look when
they're playing actual football.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, they play the card. It was funny. Al Michaels
was great on this. Well, I wouldn't say he was
great on this broadcast overall, because like when the game's
bad there, it was just so low energy. They're just
every once in a while, I just think doesn't does
the NFL ever watch this and like want announcers who
are a little more excited about the game, because they're
always just so complaining when it's a bad game and
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the met life was dead, they're actually chanting. They were
actually chanting sell the team as they were going to halftime.
And there's Booze and Alan Kirk, but they when he
was taking He is great in certain aspects too, though
Al was saying how Aaron Rodgers when he met with him,
just went through this whole thing, and Al was sort
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of rolling his eyes as he was talking. He was
very convincing talking about well, they'll just beat the Cardinals
and they're gonna be a Western team going east, and
then it'll be a short week and you got the
Colts and then you go to a bye and blah
blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, you can
kind of make the case there they can win any
of these games. None of them are locks, and so
the Jets could get back into it at three and six.
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The problem is, are they that much more likely to
win any of these games than lose.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
They all seem.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
About like fifty to fifty propositions. As much as the
Texans have probably been like a four and four type
of team instead of six and two coming, I think
the Jets have been closer to a five hundred team,
and they just keep losing these heartbreaking class teams and
so it'll probably bounce out. But that still just means
you're a five hundred team. It doesn't mean you're about
to go on some great run.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think it's a big one to win this game
tonight for the Jets. This is the very moment in
the season when professionalism can start to wane. If the
team is just dead in the water, then your younger
players or your less professional players kind of start to
let go of the rope a little bit and just
let the water take them down. They start staying out
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a little later, they're not in the weight room as early,
so that's a big boost at this point in the season.
I think for the Texans, the trend has just been
kind of a steady degradation from weeks from week one
until now to where things look like they're starting to
catch up with some of their deficiencies, like the Texans
(27:54):
tackling even on defense. As good as they've been on
defense the first few weeks, they were really sound attack.
Then you saw tonight lots of mistackles, lots of poor angles,
lots of just giving guys like guys that look like
they do on the depth chart, the chance to break
long runs. You know what, though, I gotta blame Bill
(28:14):
Belichick a little bit. I think, Oh, I didn't need
Bill Belichick going out criticizing his sond reddick and then
his sound reddick firing back on him on social media.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I didn't. Yeah, you see the firing back.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
No oh no, Belichick just said mentioned on the McAfee
shower on one of the nineteen outlets. He's on the
sound Reddick was just kind of running past the quarterback
last week, so a sound Reddick sond Reddick said something
like Belichick. Belichick sounds like he's just sitting at home
and board. He needs a job, And I was like, well, yeah,
I mean, he's probably making more money than you at
his current jobs.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But he he showed up tonight.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean, yeah, so did Belichick on one of those
underdog ads though, I mean he's cashing them check.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So oh, they're both they're both doing well.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Put a pin in the ad thing for a second,
because as far as the San Reddit goes, and that
that defensive line in general versus the Texans offensive line,
the I'm so tired.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm so tired of people. We've got this.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
We've got like this propaganda machine for the offensive line
in Houston where people keep trying to point out how
good the actual offensive line actually is, and they'll bring
up the proof the PFF grades, the Pro Football Focus
grades of the offensive tackles, and I'm like, listen, in
pass protection, they've generally been pretty good. But I don't
usually play the PFF game. But if you're gonna start
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the PFF game pull up their overall grades because both
those offensive tackles are graded like twentieth and twenty eighth
in PFF. So if you're gonna play the PFF game,
don't cherry pick. It's been a bad offensive line. As
far as the ads, okay, they tailor those ads during
the Amazon broadcast, don't they. There, we don't all see
(29:58):
the same commercials. I think they base on your purchase
history because I wanted to buy every damn thing I
saw one.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Okay, yeah, the Amazon ones are crazy. Yeah, it's a
lot of I'm trying to think what they do. Yeah,
they put it up on the screen to just buy it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's a lot of target well not even.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, but also just like the actual conventional TV type commercials,
we're not all seeing the same commercials because I've never
wanted I changed car insurance companies last month, I saw
like every other ad was like even more so than
a normal football broadcast, an or ring which now I
want one of these fitness trackers. I saw it and
(30:33):
I want it now, and I've never seen.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
An ad for it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
You probably saw a lot of toy commercials and stuff,
and I saw zero toy commercials.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, it's I got the kids.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Actually, while we're talking social media, let's actually put up
a couple of other tweets. I just was enjoying the
Seth Payne performance on Twitter in the first half of
this game. He writes, Sauce tackles like the elite golfer.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
He's focused.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Oh those were the days, weren't they back when I
was talking smack?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, you're right though.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Sas Gardner had one drive in this game where I
think he had a penalty mistackle. He gave up a
big play. He was crazy, and then he left hurt.
For a minute, it was just like, wow, he missed.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
The tackle to Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Then he got beat by by the forty seven year
old Robert Woods on a triple move, and.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Then he got beat by John Well.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
He had to hold John Mechi because John Metchie was
about to beat him, and then he got injured as
he held him.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think, yeah, yeah, that that was a brutal drive
for him.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
A couple of young cornerbacks who've been playing pretty rough.
Let's see another tweet from Seth pain Those Jets fans
have to pay a fee for grocery bags in New York,
So you know they mean it.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Oh yeah, reference to the guys wearing the bags over
their heads.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
They're imitating a good good follow What is it at seth'
sea pin seth sea pain.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I quit Twitter for a while and then I really
well people started paying me to tweet. So I'm like,
all right, I'm backing it, baby, people are.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Paying you to tweet.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I get sponsored posts now.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Wow. No, I always I do the little hashtag. Don't worry, Greg,
I'm not going to Amazon you.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I gotta I gotta get in on that.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Those were some info afterwards.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll be back
in just a second. Look, should we listen to uh
the Malachi Corley dropped us to see what was it
(32:42):
worth it?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah? Those were the days too.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, the pain of the jets as they were going
in for the potential touchdown.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Let's listen alone setback it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Named around a Malicai gets a block, gets to the
twenty to the fifteen.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Of the turn pilot.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's a jet touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
The rookie he's an appearance, said, finds the end zone
Mala guy Carly his first Jet touchdown in New York
takes the lead early.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
On the field of a touchdown is under further reviews.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm not sure for what it turns out makes say
rookie mistake. He dropped the ball before he broke the
plane at the end zone celebrating his touchdown.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh that poor kid man.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Uh, that was only his second NFL touch his first touchdown.
First of all, hold on to that ball. He just
let it roll right out the back of the whole
end zone.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
One.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
No one was paying attention to that ball. If the
Texan said picked that up and ran with it, who knows?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I mean, Melchi, this is what I tell Meliki Coley. Listen,
Malachi Uh. First of all, killer name, awesome, good job.
The second I was on the field when a young
Plexico Burris in his first game ever, got a reception
over the middle, untouched by defenders, went to the ground,
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stood up and spiked the ball and we recovered it
and plascow. Burris would go on to have a largely
unblemished career, a productive career after that on the field.
So don't worry. He never did Plexco Burro has never
did another stupid thing on the field. Yeah, so you'll
(34:32):
be cool in New York.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Register your firearms. Smell Chai.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
You know what he also did though, which I feel
like he doesn't get enough pop for score the goddamn
game winning touchdown to beat the only undefeated team in
NFL history in the Super Bowl. It's kind of weird
that the Plexico Burris just absolutely destroying Ellis Hobbs off
the line of scrimmage gets forgotten in that moment.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Right, But these are I do say it occurred to
me as Malachi Courtly did that, or is that we
realized that Malachi Courtly did that.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I feel like you should.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Get one mulligan in a career, like for something like that,
that somehow you can just say, all right, this is
once in a career you get to a mulligan on
something like when you pull a leon let or let
I'll say, Anthony Richardson pull himself out.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Of the game because he was because he was tired.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Oh, come on, running backs do that all the time.
You know, he just had thrown like a three hundred
pounder off of.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
The running backs do do it all the time. And
that's the point. It's that the running backs get rotated out.
The point being that in the one hundred plus history
one hundred plus year history of the NFL, nobody can
remember another time a quarterback has done that. So and
by the way, yeah, he threw off. So when Anthony
Richardson took himself out of the game.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
He threw the he threw fully, fully fought a.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Cossi fell off his back, which was impressive that Anthony
Richardson did that three hundred plus pound defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But he didn't even make it to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Like it wasn't like a Lamar Jackson forty nine yard
run or anything like. He he got sacked on that
play and then it was too tired to go back in.
This is fair, this is watchable.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
This is why you need the legend perspective because I'm
just I'm just a podcaster, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And I was like, oh, that's so bad.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And then you hear the actual Coults team captain Ryan
Kelly like basically saying what you just said after the game.
I was like, oh, I guess I'm I guess I'm
wrong on this one. And that's that's why you are.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
You know what, Okay, so no, this is this is
one of those things where I learned long ago. I
never want to be that guy that says like, you
don't know because you didn't play the game.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I hate that.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I hate that when athletes do that, because your job,
if you're in broadcasting, is to use your experience to
explain why it's different. So I got I got a
lot of questions from people this week, like, hey, stuff,
why is it that big a deal? So I had
to calm myself and not be a meatthead.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's like, because that's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's listen, quarterbacks, that's your offense, and you're if you're
out there, it's because you need to be out there
directing the show.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And yeah, if you just had a.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Physically grolling play, then if you're if your coordinator knows
what the hell he's doing, he's not going to call
a run play on the next play.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But this is what's being lost in it. Greg.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It was third in goal. It was third and goal
when they were down by ten. So imagine being a
quarterback in a third and goal situation, down by ten
deciding that like, who I just I don't feel like
i'm one hundred percent I better, I need a breather
here before we kick a field goal.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
For young man.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
But he added a lot of context frankly that you know,
we have a daily show, it's in the name, and
yet we didn't have a lot of this context previously.
So again, that's why you are a legend. And look,
you were very self effacing.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
When when I called you that early on.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
But it's like I've heard people say this, like this
is like the thing about like young white guys just
when they hang around, like you can just be like
like someone can walk in you amongst your.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Friends, just like, oh it's Bob. It's the legend. It's
the legend. And it's just like, wait, who's Bob. He's
just like, oh, he's in accounting, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Okay, yeah, I'll take that. Yeah he's a legend. Yeah
all right, yeah that's you.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Seth Pain.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Uh yeah, check out his YouTube channel Seth Pain on
YouTube and Pain and Pendergrass and yeah, you're starting that
show soon, so we will.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
We will send you on your merry way.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We will be back for our pick show.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
We got it, uh with Cynthia Freelan on Friday afternoon,
and then yeah, we we do the whole thing once
again with our Sunday recap show. And yeah, look when
the Jets are just given their face and some hope
might turn into false hope, and it's getting into November.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah you know football is back.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Texans chets AFC Championship.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Yes,
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