January 22, 2020 • 41 mins
Marcas Grant and Graham Barfield are back in the studio for another NFL Fantasy Football Podcast! The duo start off with the biggest news of the day such as Jay Gruden being named offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars and Tevin Coleman reportedly having a chance to play in the Super Bowl after his shoulder injury (4:46). Then, Jake Ciely of The Athletic calls in to review the 2019 fantasy season and look ahead to the 2020 Pro Bowl to round out the show with the guys (16:37).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the
NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. It's been your band, MG, Marcus
Grand alongside the fantasy viper Grand Barfield. Uh, Fab's still
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under the weather, so you know a fairly only he's sick,
but now his kid is sick too, so it's like
that's a terrible combo. It's just awful, awful combo. So
hopefully he is getting better and hopefully back with this
real real soon. Um, we have sometuff to talk about.
We're gonna have one of our favorite people in the
fantasy industry, Jake Seeley, who you can read at The Athletic.
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He'll come on and talk to us about a wide
variety of topics. We may also get into some weird
Pro Bowl stuff too, because look, man, it's January, man,
why not? Why not? So we'll talk about that. We'll
get his thoughts on maybe who should be the number
one overall pick next year, some quarterback stuff, all of that,
Jacob All is fun to talk to you, so look
forward to that. But before we do any of that,
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we'll go behind the glass and talk to our faithful producer,
Senior Edward L. Murphy Esquire Murph what's up. I'm just
very happy about my coaching Steff having bred Bielama and
potentially Freddy Kitchens, like not even guys you trust at
the coordinator positions, but just guys you probably want to
go hang out with and just eat and drink with
them because you know they're gonna have a good time.
So I'm I'm most thrilled about that. Who was it
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was it? It might even been uh. I also want
on Twitter say that basically if you either coach for
the Patriots or in the SEC, I tweeted that ye
want to talk to you. Everyone on their staff has
like ties somehow to the SEC or has coached in
like in New England. It's it's it's remarkable. But um,
you know, I'm a fan of the Steff. I've never
been this involved in like the the coordinator slash position
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coach game before, and they feel like this offseason is
a lot of big name X head coaches that are
taking these like smaller roles like Kitchens man being like
a tight end coach like it's it's it's crazy the
thing to be the head coach of the Cleveland Browns
that has of high hopes to go back to a
position job. But I mean that's you know, that's the
business the NFL. It's it's brutal, but um, you know
they could hopefully for the benefit of my team, it
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works out. This sort of feels like when actors become
you know, they start in movies or whatever, and then
like that movie career kind of drives up and then
they end up like on a show on like Netflix
for a little bit, trying to rebuild that resume. It's
like the McConaughey, like the Macconist. He yeah, he was,
he was a name like that, a bunch of movies
that were like kind of round comedy, and then he's
trying to find a show that works. Hopped on True Detective.
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Like you know, streaming services were a big deal and
people love subscription the HBO stuff, but um, that was
like kind of at the beginning of when people like
got rid of the cable shows and became full fledged
into uh, the stuff you have to pay for. And
they worked out so hopefully. Uh yeah, Kitchens biling, all
these guys, Garrett all having mcconnaissance. Yeah, So I guess
the Giants plan really is just to kind of have
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like some sort of brain trust around Joe Judge and
they just kind of like, i'll, i'll. I had a
good conversation with Shaun O'Hara Harry, who obviously we talked
giants here and there whenever I see him, and and
he said some really good things and basically that the
fact that the other coaches had a call plays and
then trying to be CEO of the of the football
team wasn't a great mix. But the fact that judges like, no, no,
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you take care of this play call, and you take
care of this, you take care of that, and he's
having people do specific jobs and he could just control
the organization. I think he said, as you know, it's
gonna pay dividends because you can focus on one thing.
And I think more teams will start to adopt that
kind of mentality. It's definitely a different structure for today's
NFL because a lot of coaching hires that we see
these head coaching highs, these guys are also calling plays
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and like last year with Freddi Kitchens, it was clearly
a disaster that he needed to delegate some of those
duties and uh in some of the game playing duties
and play calling duties. I'm very interested to see what
the Giants look like next year. Yes, And I think
in football in general, like I know, HERM Edwards at
a s U kind of got the title as like
football ceo and people were joking about that. But in
a lot of ways, I think that kind of makes sense.
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And I think I, like I said, we will see
teams start to impul out that go and forward where
you could have these roles being delegated to certain coaches,
but the the head coach is just the overseer. And
I think that makes the most sense. Yeah, I agree,
I think we we we trended so far in like
you know, guys playing calling plays and taking control of
the offense or the defense. Um, you know, I think
we sort of lost the fact that our teams lost
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the fact that you know, you you do have to
control a whole team. Yeah, you can't just be the
coach of the offense. Like as a head coach, you
you have to oversee everything. So very curious to see
how this works out. But watching Joe Judge put together
his staff has been certainly very interesting. All right, Hey,
let's do some news. Well we talked about it on
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Monday because it was rumored and now it is official.
Jay Gruden has been named the offensive coordinator of the
Jacksonville Jaguars. He, of course, started last season as the
head coach in Washington, was let go midway through the season.
Now he heads down south and he graham Inherits an
offense that has a young, promising quarterback. They've got a
good running back and Leonard for Nette. They've got some
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young talented wide receivers. Say what you will about Jake
Gruden as the head coach, at least as an offensive mind.
He's a very creative guy, and now he's in a
situation where he can sort of tinker and maybe do
something fun. Oh yeah, we talked about this on Monday,
and I was I was hoping that the Jacks would
make this move because you know, they've been just desperate
for a really good offensive coordinator there for years, and
I think James pretty clearly their best higher they've made
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in in recent memory. I like Jake Gruden quite a
bit as a as an offensive mind. Um, I definitely
think he got way too much of the blame in
Washington for a lot of different reasons. Um, but we'll
leave that. As a man. I mean, the Jags are
pretty loaded. I mean, Gardner Minshew is a an exciting
young quarterback who had some some some success and could
uh kind of have even more success. Allah kirk Cousins.
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Jake Gruden scheme kirk Cousins into success when he was
with Washington. I could see a similar situation arise in there.
And you know, Gruden doesn't have the pressure of you know,
being a head coach and having to delegate all these
tasks like we just talked about. He can simply focus
on offense. And to me, that's that's a promising idea. Yeah, no, absolutely. Um. So, look,
we saw some good things last year out of Jacksonville.
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I mean the point that at one point in the
season Gardner Minshew was a hot waiver wire pick. DJ Chark,
who was either a late round draft pick or a
waiver wire pick, was very productive for a good part
of the season. Leonard Fournette had arguably his best year
as a professional and was much bigger part of the
passing game than I think any of us anticipated. So
now they've got a guy who can release, what I think,
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dig into this offense. Um, and it's gonna be interesting.
I would imagine we're gonna see some Jaguars kind of
shoot up draft boards in the summer. UM. The Lions
general manager says that they are quote comfortable with Matthew
Stafford coming back next season. I mean, he dealt with
an injury that essentially kept him out for the last
half of the year. He finally went on I are
kind of late in the season we heard reports of
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what a spinal injury even with with Matt Stafford, but
before that he had been playing really, really well. Um,
he was a top ten fantasy quarterback, was averaging about
twenty fantasy points per game. The team itself were struggling
in other areas, but it's hard to put anyto that
on the way Stafford was playing. Uh, the Lions right
now do have the number three pick. I don't expect
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that they're going to hard at any quarterback in the
top three picks. UM. I would think that Matt Stafford
is sort of the guy at least for the next
few years. They're in Detroit right now. I he has
to be. I mean, he played just exceptionable football before
he went down with that injury, averaging a career high
in yardsburg right around a career high in yards for
Game three and twelve, had six games with multiple passing
touchdowns in eight outings. Uh. And obviously, I mean the
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Lions receiver corps. It's just it's just so nice. Their
entire receiver corps so good, between Gala Day and Jones
and Hockinson coming into his second year. Uh, Detroit has
to they have to trade down, right, if somebody's if
somebody's coming up to pay a king's ransom for tua
Um in Washington is going to take the best non
Joe Burrow prospect and number who overall, the Lions are
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in such a great spot in terms of their leverage
to get a pretty big hall for that pick. Yeah.
I'm very curious because I know in his preliminary UH
draft mocks, I think Daniel Jeremiah has the Dolphins getting
to a Now. I don't know if that means, you know,
he expects the Dolphins will sit and hope that to
a false to them at five or if they make
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a move and try to get up to it. Yeah.
I read DJ's MAK yesterday. He had four quarterbacks in
the top fifteen. I think between Herbert and Um and
Joe Burrow and Herbert. But yeah, it's a quarterback Hungary League,
and I think that the Lions and the Giants too.
We'll see if Gettleman trades back for the first time ever,
but both Lions and the Giants are in a great
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position to to leverage their their picks and trade back possibly. Um.
The Bengals, some of their folks in the front office
are saying that Andy Dalton is quote certainly not done.
Um maybe you're that Airs fans, maybe, but we gotta
leaves He's done in Cincinnati though, right absolutely. Uh. One
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of the best tweets during the National Championship Game I
saw was that it was the gift of uh toy
story where he's erasing Andy's name off the shoe shoe.
I can't remember who tweeted it out, but I think
I retweeted it was hilarious. Yeah, the Bangles are done.
They're they're done with Andy Dalton. I mean they were
done with him in the middle of the season. They
were so done with them they went to Ryan Freakin
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Finley who couldn't play. Um. Yeah, I'm interested to see
where Dalton goes because I don't know. I think if you,
if you got the right pieces around him, he could
be somebody that you could potentially win with if you
have a really good defense, kind of like Derek Carr,
Like you could sell yourself on like, you know, somebody
like Andy Dalton or Derek Carr being a potentially, uh
playoff quarterback. But at the same time, it's just he's
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he doesn't offer anything, any excitement outside of the pocket.
And it's just I don't know, I don't know where
Dalton's career is gonna go. Yeah, know, it's funny. I
we were talking a few weeks ago. We were joking
about comparing quarterbacks to food items, um, and I remember
having a conversation similar to that a couple of years ago.
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And I think somebody compared Alex Smith, and I think
this applies to Andy Dalt. They compared him to like
tofu in the sense that like, if you put him
with something really tasty, like he's a lot better if
you put him with something that's not so tasty. It's
kind of like what am I doing? And I feel
like that's sort of Andy Dalton when you put the
right ingredients around him, that that he really is something like, man,
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that's really great. If you don't, he's not going to
be the one that elevates the meal all by himself.
It's a very it's a very good. Uh. I don't
know everybody wants to be called tofu. I'm trying to
think of what what what would go well? Like what
goes well with tofu? I've had a good Ramen dish
with top Yeah, you know, stuff like that. Um, you
know if if you like me so soup, you know
that kind of stuff is cool. Um yeah, but like
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tofu just on its own is kind of it's yeah,
don't really tastes like it's like jelloy and yeah, it's
not great. It's not great. Um. Sevin Coleman, we saw
him leave the NFC Championship game with what has been
called a dislocated shoulder, but there is hope that he
could play in the Super Bowl. Of course, he's got
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a couple of weeks to try and get himself healthy
and ready to go. Uh. If we are playing DFS
on Super Bowl Sunday, which I know a lot of
people will be, do you take it if he's playing,
would you maybe throw him in the line up? We
saw two weeks ago against the Vikings it was Coleman
and not he mostart that had the big day then
obviously against the Packers, it was the right he Mostard show.
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I feel like his usage is kind of inconsistent, but
when he's playing well, I mean we have seen him
really pop sometimes. Yeah, Coleman's had some just monster games
this year. But because of the shoulder and because Mostard
is playing so well, it would be pretty hard for
me to click Coleman into a lineup. And and you know,
most Are just has such a high ceiling in this
game because the Chiefs run defense is just so besmally
bad and and it just seems most of it's the
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perfect type of running back to expose them because he's
so quick at the second level. Um, yeah, it's gonna
be one to watch, definitely, And if nothing else, certainly
for the Chiefs, that's something that they've got to pay
attention to. If Kevin Coleman is there, that's just another
wrinkle for Kyle Shanahan to use. Uh last bit of news,
And I think this was very interesting one for just
a football fan and a fun standpoint. And two it
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could potentially have some fantasy implications to it. This year
at the Pro Bowl, the league is going to test
some alternatives to the on side kick um. So here's
the idea, and I'll just read it from Kevin Patrick's
story at around the NFL UH. After a successful fueld
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goal or extra point try attempt, the scoring team will
have options without a kickoff. The scoring team call them
Team A will have the following options. One Team A
may elect to give Team BE the ball at team
b's twenty five yard line, beginning a new series of
downs with first intense, so basically what would be a
touchback essentially UH to the second option, and this is
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where it gets interesting. Team A may elect to take
the ball at its own twenty five yard line for
a fourth and fifteen play. If Team MAY is successful
in making a first down, Team A will maintain possession
and a new series of downs will continue as normal.
If teammate is unsuccessful in making a first down, the
result would be a turnover on downs and Team B
will take possession at the dead ball spot. That seems
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kind of interesting. Yeah, I sort of like that idea. Yeah,
I mean, unless you're a young way coup kicks are
impossible to ride, impossible to get in the NFL. I
love this. I'm all in favor of this. Fourth and
fifteen Uh. I mean to me, it's a fantastic down
and distance. You're you're basically forcing the defense to play
a certain coverage and you've got to find a way
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to beat it. It's I really like it. I really
like this. It could be a lot of fun. It
could be a lot of fun, I think, especially because
I know the big complaint this past year, the last
couple of years has been that if a team is
down by multiple scores and they score ea touch down,
it has taken a lot of the drama out of
it because it's nearly impossible to get an on side kick. Yeah,
I look, I'm all in favor of the NFL. Pretty
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much anything would be better than the current on side
kick rules because, like you mentioned, they're they're redundant. I mean,
it's just like, why are we even doing this? The
opposing team is most likely going to get it? Um.
On the same note, did you see the XFL's proposed
two point in three point score? The one one point
two point in three point So yeah, you get basically
you kicked to feel goal from the one yard line.
That's an extra point. You get a typical two point
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try from the two yard line, but then there's a
three point try from the ten, Yes, which to me
that that extra eight yards and distance doesn't really make
up the difference for one extra point? Well is it?
But see, I don't think it's a kick. I think
you actually not a play. It's not a kick. You're
gonna play play. Um yeah, I don't know. So, yeah,
you're getting eat But from from the five to the ten?
Is is what an extra point? Um? I don't know.
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I think it's I mean it's it's it's interesting in
the sense that at least they're trying something new right there,
trying to and I think especially suddenly, now what at
this point that makes nine points a one possession game,
whereas in the NFL, a nine point game is still
a two possession game. Even if you get a touchdown
in two point inversion, you still need to get the
ball back. This that's sort of interested, you know, open
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things up. If you get a nine point lead or
nine point deficit, you really are only one possession from
tying things up, right. Yeah, So the extra five yards,
it's basically the extra five yards worth a point. It's fun.
It's fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's I
think it's gonna be interesting. I'm curious, you know, I don't.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if I'm gonna
tune into the XFL each and every week, but I
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definitely will take a peek in and see what they're doing.
I'm with you on that. So if nothing else, I
I still will love to pruse their rosters and be like, hey,
I remember this guy, Remember that guy. It's just fun
to see the you know, the a F last year
they they got rid of the one point play. You
can't go for two. Now the XFL saying no, we
want to have three different I mean, look, man, it's
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the old the old joke. I think it was Beer
against Ohio State where they were like blowing them out
and somebody asked Lee or late in the game, why
did you go for two up with a big leading.
He's like, because the rules wouldn't let me go for three. Well,
now now you have that option, the rules will let
you go for three. So there you go. Uh, it's
something to be watched. We'll see what happens at the
Pro Bowl though with this onside kick alternative, and whether
or not it makes it to the regular season next year.
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So there you go. That is pretty much everything you
need to know. Joining us now is our good friend,
friend of the program, genial fellow, all around good guy,
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and one of the most accurate fantasy analysts you will
find on Twitter, on this planet, maybe anywhere. It's our
good friend Jake Seeley, Jake Man. What's going on? Not
too much? Yes, if there was a lot of truths
in there except for the probably the good guy for it.
I don't know that. I mean, you are one of
Canada's finest right yes, year, Yeah, I mean so so obviously,
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you know, for those of you who don't know, and
that would probably most of you. For some reason, I
don't know why I thought Jake was from Canada, and
when we were hanging out in Indianapolis last year, I
think I made a reference to Canada, at which point
Jake looked at me sideways and said, no, man, I'm
from Virginia. I don't under I don't know where I
came up with that, but uh, you know, it's a
good it's a good story to tell now, so it
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certainly is. Again those but those people are really nice.
So I don't know how you looping in with him.
I mean maybe that's why. I mean, you are really yeah, yeah,
you're generally happy. Go lucky fellow. So you know there
it is, UM all right out of the fantasy football
stuff because that's you know, that's what we do here.
UM at this moment as we speak here in mid
to late January, who is your number one overall pick? Yeah,
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I'm going right back Chris McCaffrey. It's kind of not
much of a question in my mind after what happened
him last year because look at the gap. I mean,
the gap between him and everybody else is at least
six points. If you're half point PPR, full point PPR,
it gets even more over a hundred receptions, the targets.
You can throw out all these concerns of what is
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Rule gonna do? What about Joe Brady although that should
help the passing game, of what if that takes away
from the run game? And we could throw all these
what ifs and nobody really knows what the Panthers are
gonna look like under rule going forward, if Cam Newton
is coming back, But for McCaffrey to do what he
did without Cam Newton for the entire year, for to
be that offense, I just don't see how he's not
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the number one. I mean a thousand receiving YOURDS. Okay,
so it's down ticks to eight. He probably could increase
in the run game because the run game, and he
still has more upside for that. So I think he's
definitively the one one, all right. I mean, look at
this point last year I was I was saying it
mostly to stir the pot and try and conversation. Yeah,
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and it sort of worked out. Okay, So if if
he is that far ahead, and look I was looking
at yesterday, Aaron Jones scored nineteen touchdown and was still
like a hundred and fifty points cumulatively behind behind Christian
mccaffick also scored nineteen touch right, Um, okay, So then
if that's the case, So then who who is in
the mix for your number two pick? Then if if
if number one is so clear cut for you, I
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think it comes down to two for me. For me,
it comes down to Dalvin Cook and stay Kwon Barkley.
I think we might be able to throw Zekielly into
that conversation for his consistency. Obviously, we wanted to see
more receptions this year after the year prior and for
all the people complaining that, oh I took Zeke with
the first pick, I can't believe you know what, Okay,
who wasn't McCaffrey, but nobody was. He was so harmy
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for on the season you can't really complain about. It
wasn't the upside you had hoped for. So I think
that depending on what that offense looks like with no
adjacent Garrett clapping in his face all the time, that
might change things, and you can put him in there.
But Dalvin Cook was you know, almost twenty points per
game without the late run from Derrick Henry. He's right
there with him, and then Barkley. I'm not gonna is
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still I have missed your questions about that offense, have
major questions about the offensive line. What is it gonna
be now? There's you know, the clappers over there now.
But I actually, I hate to say it. I like
how the Giants are attacking this all season. You always
want a coach to bring in his guys. It's been
a bunch of his guys. He worked with Kitchens, who
is now rumored to be headed there as a positional coach,
And we still don't know the official were there, but
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he worked with him in Mississippi State. You bring him
Jason Garrett just to focus on the offense. I think
Barkley healthy over full season still has to be in
the conversation. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean everyone
was pretty much for the most part. I think everyone
is pretty much on. Barkley is the one oh one
last year and McCaffrey. I'm sure a lot of people
you know have have regrets not to Cafrey one O one,
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but Jake, last week we got into a discussion about
Derrick Henry and you mentioned, you know, Zeke and Barkley
ranked ahead of them for you. Where do you have
Henry and your preliminary ranks? Oh, this is such a
tough one for me. And I have him as I
think off the top of my head, I think you
would have him around our seven or eight. I wouldn't
take him in the first round. My biggest issue is
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just that we all play half point PPR full point
PPR at this point and there's still some non pprs
out there, which is finding you. Marcus knows how much
I load the full point I don't mind that, and
I will take him in the first round and non
point PPR. But you talk about the fact that sixteen touchdowns,
do you concern yourself a little bit with a touchdown
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regression even if not the guy led the league in rushing.
My biggest concern with Derrick Henry and I know we
don't like to play the game of predicting injuries or
anything like that, but we're trying to split here. So
here we're trying to figure out where the guy should rank.
And when you have somebody that size who gets dinged up,
missed the game this year, missed the part of a
game another time, it just takes the pounding that he takes,
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all the touches that he had over three hundred carries.
I just have major concerns of him holding up through
an entire season of that kind of workload. Again assuming
obviously the Titans bringing back and maybe franchise and whatever
my case might be. But what if Tannehill is not
back and now we're back looking at a Marcus Mariota
type off It's not that Mariote is going to be
the guy, but once the offense takes a downtick, yeah,
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it show. I love him, but I'd rather take him
in the second round, which means I'm probably not getting
him next year. Okay, Well, you mentioned Ryan Tannehill, right,
because he really was the key that turned things around
in that Tennessee offense this year, and we don't know
yet what he's going to do. I mean, he's saying
he's going to take a step back and try to
think about some things. I would imagine the Titans will
do whatever they can to try to keep him there.
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So let's just say, for the sake of argument, Ryan
Tannehill comes back to Tennessee next season, what are we
doing with him? I mean, you know, he had such
a great finish to the season, But at the same time,
a lot of us look at him and say, yeah,
but it's Ryan Tannehill. I mean, like, how are we
approaching him next year. I think a lot of people
are right and saying, yeah, but it's Ryan Dannehill because
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I liken it to two different things that compared him
once to Nick Foles amazing season and then another time
to not quite that level. But the two thousand and
sixteen Matt Ryan sy and what I'm getting at here,
it's a touchdown ratio was extremely high, and I just
don't know that if you're asking it's kind of the
Lamar Jackson without the rushing. If you're telling me my
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quarterbacks throwing for two hundred yards, a hundred eighty yards
forget the playoffs. I'm not even talking about the ninety
yard games, but a hundred twenty and like he's never
getting to the two fifty plus, never touching three hundred plus.
I can't buy into a fantasy quarterback that does that.
And where's the upside after that? Okay, the four rushing touchdowns,
those can you can argue a slight flukey. I don't
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want say flukey because it's not a fluke that he
made in the end zone, but hundred eighty five rushing
yards of four rushing touchdowns, and you can talk about
Colin Murray five hundred yards and four rushing touchdowns. I'd
rather take color Murray on the bet that he's going
to rush for more touchdowns. So I'm staying away from
I think the hype is gonna kind of balloon through
the roof after the next you know, after what we
just saw is back similar to the Browns from last season,
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so I could see him creeping towards the top fifteen.
And in that case, I'm just out all right, Um,
more quarterback questions, right, because this especially now dynasty leagues,
I know this is the time when a lot of
them start to kick in the full gear. You've got
people making deals, trying to figure out, you know, draft picks,
this sort of thing. If you were starting a dynasty
league and you're drafting, um, Patrick Mahomes or Kyler Murray,
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where are you going at quarterback? I feel like Lamar.
I feel like saying Lamar is just too easy, right,
So I threw Kyler. Yeah, Lamar is like one one
of course. Uh look it's it's Patrick Mahomes for me
and someone of the Christian McCaffrey think. It's really not
a conversation for me, and I know a lot of
people out there who want to have it. But here's
the simplest version of it I'll put out there is
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that Patrick Mahomes has already done it. Patrick Mahomes has
already done it and blew away the field similar to
the Lamar Jackson did to the field this year and
then had a downturn, which a lot of people expected
some aggression, but even in his downturn, still average nearly
three points more per game. So I will take the
fact that Mahomes has already hit his floor and we're
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trying to hope for Kyler Murray's feeling, but matcha, Mahomes
already done it and already hit his floor. In my opinion, like,
I think we just saw the worst Batteria Homes season.
I don't. I don't think it's gonna get any worse
than that. So I'm taking Mahomes And I think a
lot of people are going to be on Kyler Murray
because they're thinking that he keep the eclipse and what
he did Russian and hit Blmore Jackson level, and I
don't quite see. I think he's going to top out
around the hundred like the Robert Griffin numbers. So if
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that was the worst season we've seen from Patrick Mahomes,
it's pretty pretty damn good stuff. It was really only
because of injury that he had a little downturn in
his production real quick. Going back to Kyler Murray, So
just for redraft leagues next year, Jake, Like, I have
a feeling Murray's going to be in the conversation where
he's gonna start sneaking into like the sixth seventh round. Um,
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how how early are you going to be taking Murray
in your league's that's too early for me, mostly because
the biggest example we can give this year is look
at where Mark Jackson was taking. Look at where Jameis
Winston and Dak Prescott were both take Josh Allen was
in the twenties. So we see this every single year,
and I'm not saying it's not I'm not saying it's
stupid to draft Kyle Murray. If he falls to the
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seventh round, I'll definitely bite, especially if he's in the eighth.
We did a way too early mock draft on the
Athletic and he fell to the eighth round, and I
think it was crazy. I was. I was ready to
take him with the very next pick. I missed him
by one pick. I probably should have taken him in
the seventh, but I was taking Anti Enne, who's not
even gonna be here. So uh so I'm looking at
I say, you know what, if you want to take him,
I understand you're going to have to take him in
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the fifth or sixth round. But just realized that we
just saw this year. You can find plenty of other options.
Don't get caught up in the hype because similar to
Baker Mayfield. You know, everybody wanted to take him as
a fifth quarterback off the board this year. It's never
a guarantee and there's just so many options to turn to.
I mean, I just feel like with Kyler um yeah,
because I've been saying it, I'm not the only one.
A lot of people have been saying that. He seems
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like in our hunt for the next breakout quarterback, right.
I mean, a couple of years ago, everybody who took
My homes late was was on top of the world.
Last this past year, everybody who took Lamar Jackson late
felt great about themselves. And I feel like Kyler Murray
is going to be the next guy that everybody's going
to be on. But because we're already talking about this
in January, that discount you hope to get on Kyler
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Murray is going to be gone. And I think that's
if somebody we can all just you know, decide as
uniformly just shut up about it and maybe you still
get that discount. But I feel like that ship has
already sailed at this point, and some of the games
towards the end of the season concerned me a little bit,
and the fact that he looked to be making more
poor decisions than he did at the beginning of the year,
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and that's the opposite of what we want to see. Um.
You mentioned Jameis Winston. Um is okay. So he had
five thousand yards, he was the passing leader, he had
thirty touchdowns. That's great. Uh he had thirty picks. Not great,
is he? But he was like he was a top
five fantasy quarterback. Is he an elite fantasy quarterback right now?
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Am I? Right? Yeah? Uh? So yes, in the fact
that if he keeps the job. So I think the
biggest tell for us with the Buccaneers when the next year. Obviously,
if they keep we're assuming he's back with the Buccaneers.
If they I can't see how they pull in anybody
worth dang, because their cast situation isn't the greatest. So
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if they go into next year with the same backup
plans that they have, then yes he is. Because the
biggest thing about the Buccaneers this year's I'm sure there
was plenty instances pack the five turnover, five interception game.
Mid game, Bruce arians probably wishes he had somebody to say,
you know what, screw this, I'm going to somebody else's
doing what they can do what they can do. Because
I have Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, maybe I don't need
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Jamis Winston. I just don't think they have anybody else
to turn to. So if the situation is exactly the
same next year, yes it is because he doesn't care
that being Jams Winston, he's going to cod throw the ball,
which is what we want for fantasy, Which is insane
to think that depending on your league. He was three
or four or five in some places with thirty interceptions
that you just mentioned. So you have that with the
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hope that if he's brought back that Bruce Arias at
least was to improve that a little bit. You drop
in the twenty interceptions. He's number two, So I think
he is. I hate he's not elite fantasy. So you're
saying Ryan Griffin and Blaine Gabbert are not suitable backups
for for Jamis? Is that what you're trying to say, Jake,
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Ryan Griffin the tight end might be a better backup. Wow? Um,
I mean I do want to know we should start
since Joe Flacco, we know officially is no longer elite
like we we should replace him with Jamis Winston. Wait wait, wait,
you want Jamis Winston and Joe Flacco in the same team? No, No,
I mean just you know, like, since since the since
the is Joe Flacco Elite conversation is essentially dead, like
we should replace that with you know, is Jameis Winston Elite?
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That would be complusing. I don't know if you could
do that. Didn't you just see that Eli Manning came
out with his Elite beer and it's already sold out
pretty Oh no, I did not see this. Yeah, so
there you go. Um, So, this past year and you
talked about Baker Mayfield and how we all got really
excited about Baker and what this Brown's offense can be
and O'Dell and Jarvis Landry and the chubbing on and
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on and on and for the most part, you know,
aside from essentially Chubb, that offense sort of went belly
up this year. They have overhauled, you know, Freddie Kitchens
is out, They're doing some new things there in Cleveland.
Do we give the Browns a pass next season? And
do we do we start to buy back and maybe
not at the levels we did this year, but do
we start to buy back in, thinking that last year
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just with a bad situation or what. So I'm gonna
say no because you, myself, everybody similar to the commentary
is we're already talking about it. And so that's why
I say no. Is I would love to buy back in.
I would love to take Baker Mayfield as a high
end QB two and get Odell Beckham as a discount
and continue down the road here. But I have a
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feeling that we're not going to get the discount we
need to take. Because let's be honest about this situation.
Is we can be fans of Baker Mayfield, we can
be fans of Odell Beckham and the talent. And obviously
Jarvis Landry said out was playing partly through an injury
and everything looks fine for next year. But all that
be instead is yes, Kitchens has gone, But is the
situation better. I don't think we can say yes, because
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let's talk about Stefanski. With one year of calling plays,
there's now in there and as of now is considering
not bringing an offensive coordinator, and they brought in Callahan
as an all offensive line coach. So I'm assuming you'll
have input, but that more helps, you know, obviously the
running game and Callahan's experienced there is run the damn ball. Uh,
So I don't know that we can say yes, So
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I'm gonna say no as of today. I would feel
better if Stefanski was doing what the Giants are doing
with Judge and bringing in a lot of minds to
help him. So as of today we're already talking about it.
The hype is gonna start building again because the hepe
was there from this year. I'm gonna say no on
the Browns and no pass from me, and I don't
think we're gonna get the discount we need to get. Um.
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Are we worried at all about O'Dell Beckham and this
this report of him having surgery on his core muscles?
Does that worry you? Not? Really the biggest thing that
we're me more with Odell Beckham And I'm not gonna
put him in Antonio Brown's situation, But I mean that's
just the fact that it's not stop with him. It's
always something and the injuries have piled up through his
career already injury wise, but it's more just the frustrations
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and the stuff that happened to l s U And
just like it's always something going on with him. So
unless I can get Odell Beckham is like a low
end wide receiver to cost, I think it's gonna be
out on him. I know, he still looked he could
turn out to be in the top ten next year.
He had the upside to be number one. A lot
of people said that for this year, and it wouldn't
have surprised me. But I just I can't buy in
at this point for what he's gonna cost. I mean,
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the the videos from from the championship game were wild
Man all over the place that night. Yeah he was,
he was on yeah oh man. Um okay, so one
of there's something fun with you, Jake, because you know
when I'm on your pod, usually have something fun for
me to do. I wanted to kind of reciprocate that. Um,
this week is the Pro Bowl. Um. Now, as of
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last check, there are no places I think offering daily
offerings for the Pro Bowl because, UM, I feel like
that that just signals that, you know, maybe you need
to just take a pause a little bit. Also because
the rosters. Also because the rosters are sort of always
in flux pretty much right up until kickoff for the
Pro Bowl. So that probably has something to do with it,
but I wanted to get if you had to pick quarterback,
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running back, receiver tied in and Graham, you and I
can jump in on this too, and we need to
pick our our own little four team rosters or four
player rosters. Where are you going for the Pro Bowl
this week? Do you want to do like snake version?
Because I don't want to take all the good ticks
and leave you guys. Sure we do snaking, but we'll
let you start it. Then I'll take the easiest one.
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I'll take Lamar Jackson the quarterback, because the quarterbacks are
always hit or miss, and what are we going to get?
Maybe ten eleven twelve attempts at the most, maybe one
or two touchdowns. So the fact Lamar Jackson running, that's
just where I'm gonna I'm looking at the six quarterbacks.
I think Lamar Jackson is the easy one for me. Okay, Graham,
where where would you go? Shaun Watson is playing right, Yes,
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I'll go with him because certainly is not. That's That's
where I was gonna go because it just feels like
a game where Deshaun Watson, you know, runs around and
plays backyard football and uh, you know, and throws up
a few and that work out for him, all right.
So since those guys are off the board, my quarterback
will be m hmm, what's call Russell Wilson. Uh, we'll
take We'll take Russ and uh it will fill it out,
(34:19):
all right. So this mean I get to go back
and were snaking it? Um? All right? So if I'm
looking at a running back, I'm gonna go Alvin Camara. Yeah,
I'm going I'm going Camara right here at my running
back spot. Uh because I think, Yeah, I think, especially
the way he finished the season and the fact that
he was so frustrating, it's going to make people more
angry that that he decided to show up in the
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Pro Bowl and not during the regular season. So yeah,
well that's gonna happen. Yeah, of course, absolutely, of course
Alvin Camara scores two touchdowns in week seventeen two when
no one's playing anymore? When right, Grant, where are you going? Yeah, well,
you just sniped me in our three man Pro Bowl.
I don't know what to do. I'm very flustered. No,
I'll go with Christian McCaffrey though, Okay, alright, alright, so
uh Camara McCaffrey off the board. Uh, Jake, what where
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are you going? Oh? No, grab you need a new pick.
Camaric replaced McCaffrey. Oh yeah, you're out. Okay, So so
take to take two. We'll go with Zeke okay, al right,
off the board. Well, so you took my pick, because
the biggest thing is how many carrious have we ever
seen in the Pro Bowl? Like six, I was going
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for the receiver and you took him. So I'll go
you guys are both on the NFC side, So I'll
go to Nick Job hopefully and that you know, hey
he's in the Pro Bowl. They go back to passing
to him. But unlike one scream hunt was activated. So
I'll go Nick Jobs all right, Okay, so then it's
back to you, uh, wide receiver. So it would seem, look,
there's actually thought about this, this is the strategy behind it.
Like it would seem the obvious pick would be like
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Michael Thomas. But looking back at Pro Bowls, I can't
believe I did Pro Bowl research it. You're a true professional,
Jake Seeley. I know. Look the bigger guys and the
bigger touchdown guys that you think often don't do. I
don't know if they're just not running and like that
half speed or whatever it is, but it's more of
the slot quicker guys, like the laster threes of the world.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with your Deshaun Watson,
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hopefully that he matches up and picks up a lot
with Keenan Allen. Okay, all right, that's interesting, Okay, Graham, Well, yeah, yeah,
I kind of want to have some fun with this.
So I'm gonna go to DJ Chark just because I
think he can take the top off of the defense
and and get deep ones here. Okay, I like that.
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Kenny Golladay because I
feel like, um, I don't know, I feel like some
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of these guys, like a DJ Chark or Kenny Golladay,
like they they want to prove that they sort of
belong with the rest of these guys, and so I think, right,
and so I think this is like a showcase opportunities.
So I'm gonna go Kenny Golladay here. Um, Titan is
gonna be rough, and so I'm glad I sort of
get to go first here because of the way the
snake worked out. Its completely unintentional. But um uh, let's see.
I'm gonna go really because the two top tight ends
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of the game are off the board. So I think
I'm gonna go mark An Drew's here because I just
don't know where else I could possibly go. Yeah, I
was at this point. I always think about Andrews. I'll
go with Arts. It's my tight end, all right. At
least slim pickings for you, sir, Oh yeah, at least
me Doyle or Hooper? You know what can I pivot?
Since it's the game made for me, I'm gonna say,
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because this is always what happens. One of those dang
on fullbacks. Don't see j Ham? Alright, I'm at my
tight end position, all right, I'll allow that. All right.
Andy Sherman had like what seventy yards last year or
something ridiculous. It's always somebody random like that. Yeah, usually
it is somebody random, like I could honestly see c
J Ham like scoring, I got touchdown and you know,
(37:38):
picking up like sixty yards somewhere randomly. In this game,
it's Kirk Cousins playing because Kirk Cousins loves Chuck. That true,
Ham that is true. I can see kirk Cousins in
the fourth quarters trying to lead a comeback, just like
feeding see j Ham, Oh look look you see. Look,
Grandma's getting invested. You just created the narrative. Kirk Cousins
get the start, so Galvin Cook will be out by
the time kirk Cousins his inn and there he goes,
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am oh man, does mean we have a problem? Do
we have a problem? Yeah? Wow? Uh Jake? Before I
let you go, as as we always do when you
and I chat, what are you watching? Is there anything
now that I have dad life, Like, I don't get
to sit and just binge Netflix stuff quite as much anymore.
So like, tell me what I need to be watching
on on Netflix or who any of these any of
these streaming services that that you know. I've watched The Mandalorian,
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so you don't have to worry about that, but like
what else is out there? Have so did you? Because
you're Star Wars, did you ever watched the Clone Wars cartoons?
I never finished it. I got a good way through it.
You need to finish it because they have a new
season that's going to be on the Plus this year,
so you gotta finish that. The other one is I'm
getting into my beinging next week, so I haven't started
anything just yet. I can't believe I'm about to admit this,
(38:44):
but I actually got into that Dragon Prince cartoon. So yeah,
I somehow got sucked in and kept watching that after
watching the first episode. But everybody keeps telling me you
gotta watch you so that might be on my cueue.
I don't know that I can get myself into that. Yeah,
I've seen. I've seen a little bit of it. It's
I don't know. Yeah, good save at the time, it's
(39:06):
not good to save at the time. Yeah, I don't
know about all that. Uh, Jake, we're working all these
five folks. Not that. If people are listening to this podcast,
they probably know you. They know you work. But for
the folks who don't, where can they find you? Yees?
So over at the athletic Twitter at all my kid
where tweet everything out, so the podcast to see the
athletic articles. Everything just over there. And it's fun time,
(39:27):
like you said, about to hand out my awards for
two thousand nineteen, so it's always fun. I do. Here
you go. That's what I've been playing with video games
they always do my Video Game Awards version. Oh okay.
I also saw that your your top two hundred You're
way too early. Top two hundred is out. Um And
also are there going to be any more like sereal
or fast food reviews coming from you soon? Yeah, I'm
(39:48):
working on them. I actually went to McDonald for the
first time in a decade, and I was like this,
this doesn't look like the same McDonald I don't remember.
It's all like nice and they're screens like Donalds are nice.
Now they are nice. They're really nice. That must have.
We're updating and stuff. But Jake, you're a your your
serial rankings last last year where truly it was a
truly appointment reading type thing. Oh please everybody out there.
(40:09):
It is a testament to the quality of my cakes. Uh,
Jake Man, we appreciate the time as always. Uh. If
you don't follow him at Twitter, as he mentioned on
All in Kid or on Twitter at all in Kid,
I can speak to the English, Uh, then go do that.
It's always worth your time, Jake, appreciate it man, We
will talk soon. Be good. Thanks to Jake seely for
(40:31):
his time. Appreciate talking to him. Always a good guy
to chat with, read him when and where. You can
also check out his podcast too. It is a very
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Cocoa and All
Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the
NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. It's been your band, MG, Marcus
Grand alongside the fantasy viper Grand Barfield. Uh, Fab's still
(00:21):
under the weather, so you know a fairly only he's sick,
but now his kid is sick too, so it's like
that's a terrible combo. It's just awful, awful combo. So
hopefully he is getting better and hopefully back with this
real real soon. Um, we have sometuff to talk about.
We're gonna have one of our favorite people in the
fantasy industry, Jake Seeley, who you can read at The Athletic.
(00:42):
He'll come on and talk to us about a wide
variety of topics. We may also get into some weird
Pro Bowl stuff too, because look, man, it's January, man,
why not? Why not? So we'll talk about that. We'll
get his thoughts on maybe who should be the number
one overall pick next year, some quarterback stuff, all of that,
Jacob All is fun to talk to you, so look
forward to that. But before we do any of that,
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we'll go behind the glass and talk to our faithful producer,
Senior Edward L. Murphy Esquire Murph what's up. I'm just
very happy about my coaching Steff having bred Bielama and
potentially Freddy Kitchens, like not even guys you trust at
the coordinator positions, but just guys you probably want to
go hang out with and just eat and drink with
them because you know they're gonna have a good time.
So I'm I'm most thrilled about that. Who was it
(01:23):
was it? It might even been uh. I also want
on Twitter say that basically if you either coach for
the Patriots or in the SEC, I tweeted that ye
want to talk to you. Everyone on their staff has
like ties somehow to the SEC or has coached in
like in New England. It's it's it's remarkable. But um,
you know, I'm a fan of the Steff. I've never
been this involved in like the the coordinator slash position
(01:46):
coach game before, and they feel like this offseason is
a lot of big name X head coaches that are
taking these like smaller roles like Kitchens man being like
a tight end coach like it's it's it's crazy the
thing to be the head coach of the Cleveland Browns
that has of high hopes to go back to a
position job. But I mean that's you know, that's the
business the NFL. It's it's brutal, but um, you know
they could hopefully for the benefit of my team, it
(02:08):
works out. This sort of feels like when actors become
you know, they start in movies or whatever, and then
like that movie career kind of drives up and then
they end up like on a show on like Netflix
for a little bit, trying to rebuild that resume. It's
like the McConaughey, like the Macconist. He yeah, he was,
he was a name like that, a bunch of movies
that were like kind of round comedy, and then he's
trying to find a show that works. Hopped on True Detective.
(02:31):
Like you know, streaming services were a big deal and
people love subscription the HBO stuff, but um, that was
like kind of at the beginning of when people like
got rid of the cable shows and became full fledged
into uh, the stuff you have to pay for. And
they worked out so hopefully. Uh yeah, Kitchens biling, all
these guys, Garrett all having mcconnaissance. Yeah, So I guess
the Giants plan really is just to kind of have
(02:52):
like some sort of brain trust around Joe Judge and
they just kind of like, i'll, i'll. I had a
good conversation with Shaun O'Hara Harry, who obviously we talked
giants here and there whenever I see him, and and
he said some really good things and basically that the
fact that the other coaches had a call plays and
then trying to be CEO of the of the football
team wasn't a great mix. But the fact that judges like, no, no,
(03:14):
you take care of this play call, and you take
care of this, you take care of that, and he's
having people do specific jobs and he could just control
the organization. I think he said, as you know, it's
gonna pay dividends because you can focus on one thing.
And I think more teams will start to adopt that
kind of mentality. It's definitely a different structure for today's
NFL because a lot of coaching hires that we see
these head coaching highs, these guys are also calling plays
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and like last year with Freddi Kitchens, it was clearly
a disaster that he needed to delegate some of those
duties and uh in some of the game playing duties
and play calling duties. I'm very interested to see what
the Giants look like next year. Yes, And I think
in football in general, like I know, HERM Edwards at
a s U kind of got the title as like
football ceo and people were joking about that. But in
a lot of ways, I think that kind of makes sense.
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And I think I, like I said, we will see
teams start to impul out that go and forward where
you could have these roles being delegated to certain coaches,
but the the head coach is just the overseer. And
I think that makes the most sense. Yeah, I agree,
I think we we we trended so far in like
you know, guys playing calling plays and taking control of
the offense or the defense. Um, you know, I think
we sort of lost the fact that our teams lost
(04:19):
the fact that you know, you you do have to
control a whole team. Yeah, you can't just be the
coach of the offense. Like as a head coach, you
you have to oversee everything. So very curious to see
how this works out. But watching Joe Judge put together
his staff has been certainly very interesting. All right, Hey,
let's do some news. Well we talked about it on
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Monday because it was rumored and now it is official.
Jay Gruden has been named the offensive coordinator of the
Jacksonville Jaguars. He, of course, started last season as the
head coach in Washington, was let go midway through the season.
Now he heads down south and he graham Inherits an
offense that has a young, promising quarterback. They've got a
good running back and Leonard for Nette. They've got some
(05:09):
young talented wide receivers. Say what you will about Jake
Gruden as the head coach, at least as an offensive mind.
He's a very creative guy, and now he's in a
situation where he can sort of tinker and maybe do
something fun. Oh yeah, we talked about this on Monday,
and I was I was hoping that the Jacks would
make this move because you know, they've been just desperate
for a really good offensive coordinator there for years, and
I think James pretty clearly their best higher they've made
(05:30):
in in recent memory. I like Jake Gruden quite a
bit as a as an offensive mind. Um, I definitely
think he got way too much of the blame in
Washington for a lot of different reasons. Um, but we'll
leave that. As a man. I mean, the Jags are
pretty loaded. I mean, Gardner Minshew is a an exciting
young quarterback who had some some some success and could
uh kind of have even more success. Allah kirk Cousins.
(05:53):
Jake Gruden scheme kirk Cousins into success when he was
with Washington. I could see a similar situation arise in there.
And you know, Gruden doesn't have the pressure of you know,
being a head coach and having to delegate all these
tasks like we just talked about. He can simply focus
on offense. And to me, that's that's a promising idea. Yeah, no, absolutely. Um. So, look,
we saw some good things last year out of Jacksonville.
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I mean the point that at one point in the
season Gardner Minshew was a hot waiver wire pick. DJ Chark,
who was either a late round draft pick or a
waiver wire pick, was very productive for a good part
of the season. Leonard Fournette had arguably his best year
as a professional and was much bigger part of the
passing game than I think any of us anticipated. So
now they've got a guy who can release, what I think,
(06:35):
dig into this offense. Um, and it's gonna be interesting.
I would imagine we're gonna see some Jaguars kind of
shoot up draft boards in the summer. UM. The Lions
general manager says that they are quote comfortable with Matthew
Stafford coming back next season. I mean, he dealt with
an injury that essentially kept him out for the last
half of the year. He finally went on I are
kind of late in the season we heard reports of
(06:57):
what a spinal injury even with with Matt Stafford, but
before that he had been playing really, really well. Um,
he was a top ten fantasy quarterback, was averaging about
twenty fantasy points per game. The team itself were struggling
in other areas, but it's hard to put anyto that
on the way Stafford was playing. Uh, the Lions right
now do have the number three pick. I don't expect
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that they're going to hard at any quarterback in the
top three picks. UM. I would think that Matt Stafford
is sort of the guy at least for the next
few years. They're in Detroit right now. I he has
to be. I mean, he played just exceptionable football before
he went down with that injury, averaging a career high
in yardsburg right around a career high in yards for
Game three and twelve, had six games with multiple passing
touchdowns in eight outings. Uh. And obviously, I mean the
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Lions receiver corps. It's just it's just so nice. Their
entire receiver corps so good, between Gala Day and Jones
and Hockinson coming into his second year. Uh, Detroit has
to they have to trade down, right, if somebody's if
somebody's coming up to pay a king's ransom for tua
Um in Washington is going to take the best non
Joe Burrow prospect and number who overall, the Lions are
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in such a great spot in terms of their leverage
to get a pretty big hall for that pick. Yeah.
I'm very curious because I know in his preliminary UH
draft mocks, I think Daniel Jeremiah has the Dolphins getting
to a Now. I don't know if that means, you know,
he expects the Dolphins will sit and hope that to
a false to them at five or if they make
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a move and try to get up to it. Yeah.
I read DJ's MAK yesterday. He had four quarterbacks in
the top fifteen. I think between Herbert and Um and
Joe Burrow and Herbert. But yeah, it's a quarterback Hungary League,
and I think that the Lions and the Giants too.
We'll see if Gettleman trades back for the first time ever,
but both Lions and the Giants are in a great
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position to to leverage their their picks and trade back possibly. Um.
The Bengals, some of their folks in the front office
are saying that Andy Dalton is quote certainly not done.
Um maybe you're that Airs fans, maybe, but we gotta
leaves He's done in Cincinnati though, right absolutely. Uh. One
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of the best tweets during the National Championship Game I
saw was that it was the gift of uh toy
story where he's erasing Andy's name off the shoe shoe.
I can't remember who tweeted it out, but I think
I retweeted it was hilarious. Yeah, the Bangles are done.
They're they're done with Andy Dalton. I mean they were
done with him in the middle of the season. They
were so done with them they went to Ryan Freakin
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Finley who couldn't play. Um. Yeah, I'm interested to see
where Dalton goes because I don't know. I think if you,
if you got the right pieces around him, he could
be somebody that you could potentially win with if you
have a really good defense, kind of like Derek Carr,
Like you could sell yourself on like, you know, somebody
like Andy Dalton or Derek Carr being a potentially, uh
playoff quarterback. But at the same time, it's just he's
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he doesn't offer anything, any excitement outside of the pocket.
And it's just I don't know, I don't know where
Dalton's career is gonna go. Yeah, know, it's funny. I
we were talking a few weeks ago. We were joking
about comparing quarterbacks to food items, um, and I remember
having a conversation similar to that a couple of years ago.
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And I think somebody compared Alex Smith, and I think
this applies to Andy Dalt. They compared him to like
tofu in the sense that like, if you put him
with something really tasty, like he's a lot better if
you put him with something that's not so tasty. It's
kind of like what am I doing? And I feel
like that's sort of Andy Dalton when you put the
right ingredients around him, that that he really is something like, man,
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that's really great. If you don't, he's not going to
be the one that elevates the meal all by himself.
It's a very it's a very good. Uh. I don't
know everybody wants to be called tofu. I'm trying to
think of what what what would go well? Like what
goes well with tofu? I've had a good Ramen dish
with top Yeah, you know, stuff like that. Um, you
know if if you like me so soup, you know
that kind of stuff is cool. Um yeah, but like
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tofu just on its own is kind of it's yeah,
don't really tastes like it's like jelloy and yeah, it's
not great. It's not great. Um. Sevin Coleman, we saw
him leave the NFC Championship game with what has been
called a dislocated shoulder, but there is hope that he
could play in the Super Bowl. Of course, he's got
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a couple of weeks to try and get himself healthy
and ready to go. Uh. If we are playing DFS
on Super Bowl Sunday, which I know a lot of
people will be, do you take it if he's playing,
would you maybe throw him in the line up? We
saw two weeks ago against the Vikings it was Coleman
and not he mostart that had the big day then
obviously against the Packers, it was the right he Mostard show.
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I feel like his usage is kind of inconsistent, but
when he's playing well, I mean we have seen him
really pop sometimes. Yeah, Coleman's had some just monster games
this year. But because of the shoulder and because Mostard
is playing so well, it would be pretty hard for
me to click Coleman into a lineup. And and you know,
most Are just has such a high ceiling in this
game because the Chiefs run defense is just so besmally
bad and and it just seems most of it's the
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perfect type of running back to expose them because he's
so quick at the second level. Um, yeah, it's gonna
be one to watch, definitely, And if nothing else, certainly
for the Chiefs, that's something that they've got to pay
attention to. If Kevin Coleman is there, that's just another
wrinkle for Kyle Shanahan to use. Uh last bit of news,
And I think this was very interesting one for just
a football fan and a fun standpoint. And two it
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could potentially have some fantasy implications to it. This year
at the Pro Bowl, the league is going to test
some alternatives to the on side kick um. So here's
the idea, and I'll just read it from Kevin Patrick's
story at around the NFL UH. After a successful fueld
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goal or extra point try attempt, the scoring team will
have options without a kickoff. The scoring team call them
Team A will have the following options. One Team A
may elect to give Team BE the ball at team
b's twenty five yard line, beginning a new series of
downs with first intense, so basically what would be a
touchback essentially UH to the second option, and this is
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where it gets interesting. Team A may elect to take
the ball at its own twenty five yard line for
a fourth and fifteen play. If Team MAY is successful
in making a first down, Team A will maintain possession
and a new series of downs will continue as normal.
If teammate is unsuccessful in making a first down, the
result would be a turnover on downs and Team B
will take possession at the dead ball spot. That seems
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kind of interesting. Yeah, I sort of like that idea. Yeah,
I mean, unless you're a young way coup kicks are
impossible to ride, impossible to get in the NFL. I
love this. I'm all in favor of this. Fourth and
fifteen Uh. I mean to me, it's a fantastic down
and distance. You're you're basically forcing the defense to play
a certain coverage and you've got to find a way
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to beat it. It's I really like it. I really
like this. It could be a lot of fun. It
could be a lot of fun, I think, especially because
I know the big complaint this past year, the last
couple of years has been that if a team is
down by multiple scores and they score ea touch down,
it has taken a lot of the drama out of
it because it's nearly impossible to get an on side kick. Yeah,
I look, I'm all in favor of the NFL. Pretty
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much anything would be better than the current on side
kick rules because, like you mentioned, they're they're redundant. I mean,
it's just like, why are we even doing this? The
opposing team is most likely going to get it? Um.
On the same note, did you see the XFL's proposed
two point in three point score? The one one point
two point in three point So yeah, you get basically
you kicked to feel goal from the one yard line.
That's an extra point. You get a typical two point
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try from the two yard line, but then there's a
three point try from the ten, Yes, which to me
that that extra eight yards and distance doesn't really make
up the difference for one extra point? Well is it?
But see, I don't think it's a kick. I think
you actually not a play. It's not a kick. You're
gonna play play. Um yeah, I don't know. So, yeah,
you're getting eat But from from the five to the ten?
Is is what an extra point? Um? I don't know.
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I think it's I mean it's it's it's interesting in
the sense that at least they're trying something new right there,
trying to and I think especially suddenly, now what at
this point that makes nine points a one possession game,
whereas in the NFL, a nine point game is still
a two possession game. Even if you get a touchdown
in two point inversion, you still need to get the
ball back. This that's sort of interested, you know, open
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things up. If you get a nine point lead or
nine point deficit, you really are only one possession from
tying things up, right. Yeah, So the extra five yards,
it's basically the extra five yards worth a point. It's fun.
It's fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's I
think it's gonna be interesting. I'm curious, you know, I don't.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if I'm gonna
tune into the XFL each and every week, but I
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definitely will take a peek in and see what they're doing.
I'm with you on that. So if nothing else, I
I still will love to pruse their rosters and be like, hey,
I remember this guy, Remember that guy. It's just fun
to see the you know, the a F last year
they they got rid of the one point play. You
can't go for two. Now the XFL saying no, we
want to have three different I mean, look, man, it's
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the old the old joke. I think it was Beer
against Ohio State where they were like blowing them out
and somebody asked Lee or late in the game, why
did you go for two up with a big leading.
He's like, because the rules wouldn't let me go for three. Well,
now now you have that option, the rules will let
you go for three. So there you go. Uh, it's
something to be watched. We'll see what happens at the
Pro Bowl though with this onside kick alternative, and whether
or not it makes it to the regular season next year.
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So there you go. That is pretty much everything you
need to know. Joining us now is our good friend,
friend of the program, genial fellow, all around good guy,
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and one of the most accurate fantasy analysts you will
find on Twitter, on this planet, maybe anywhere. It's our
good friend Jake Seeley, Jake Man. What's going on? Not
too much? Yes, if there was a lot of truths
in there except for the probably the good guy for it.
I don't know that. I mean, you are one of
Canada's finest right yes, year, Yeah, I mean so so obviously,
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you know, for those of you who don't know, and
that would probably most of you. For some reason, I
don't know why I thought Jake was from Canada, and
when we were hanging out in Indianapolis last year, I
think I made a reference to Canada, at which point
Jake looked at me sideways and said, no, man, I'm
from Virginia. I don't under I don't know where I
came up with that, but uh, you know, it's a
good it's a good story to tell now, so it
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certainly is. Again those but those people are really nice.
So I don't know how you looping in with him.
I mean maybe that's why. I mean, you are really yeah, yeah,
you're generally happy. Go lucky fellow. So you know there
it is, UM all right out of the fantasy football
stuff because that's you know, that's what we do here.
UM at this moment as we speak here in mid
to late January, who is your number one overall pick? Yeah,
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I'm going right back Chris McCaffrey. It's kind of not
much of a question in my mind after what happened
him last year because look at the gap. I mean,
the gap between him and everybody else is at least
six points. If you're half point PPR, full point PPR,
it gets even more over a hundred receptions, the targets.
You can throw out all these concerns of what is
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Rule gonna do? What about Joe Brady although that should
help the passing game, of what if that takes away
from the run game? And we could throw all these
what ifs and nobody really knows what the Panthers are
gonna look like under rule going forward, if Cam Newton
is coming back, But for McCaffrey to do what he
did without Cam Newton for the entire year, for to
be that offense, I just don't see how he's not
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the number one. I mean a thousand receiving YOURDS. Okay,
so it's down ticks to eight. He probably could increase
in the run game because the run game, and he
still has more upside for that. So I think he's
definitively the one one, all right. I mean, look at
this point last year I was I was saying it
mostly to stir the pot and try and conversation. Yeah,
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and it sort of worked out. Okay, So if if
he is that far ahead, and look I was looking
at yesterday, Aaron Jones scored nineteen touchdown and was still
like a hundred and fifty points cumulatively behind behind Christian
mccaffick also scored nineteen touch right, Um, okay, So then
if that's the case, So then who who is in
the mix for your number two pick? Then if if
if number one is so clear cut for you, I
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think it comes down to two for me. For me,
it comes down to Dalvin Cook and stay Kwon Barkley.
I think we might be able to throw Zekielly into
that conversation for his consistency. Obviously, we wanted to see
more receptions this year after the year prior and for
all the people complaining that, oh I took Zeke with
the first pick, I can't believe you know what, Okay,
who wasn't McCaffrey, but nobody was. He was so harmy
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for on the season you can't really complain about. It
wasn't the upside you had hoped for. So I think
that depending on what that offense looks like with no
adjacent Garrett clapping in his face all the time, that
might change things, and you can put him in there.
But Dalvin Cook was you know, almost twenty points per
game without the late run from Derrick Henry. He's right
there with him, and then Barkley. I'm not gonna is
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still I have missed your questions about that offense, have
major questions about the offensive line. What is it gonna
be now? There's you know, the clappers over there now.
But I actually, I hate to say it. I like
how the Giants are attacking this all season. You always
want a coach to bring in his guys. It's been
a bunch of his guys. He worked with Kitchens, who
is now rumored to be headed there as a positional coach,
And we still don't know the official were there, but
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he worked with him in Mississippi State. You bring him
Jason Garrett just to focus on the offense. I think
Barkley healthy over full season still has to be in
the conversation. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean everyone
was pretty much for the most part. I think everyone
is pretty much on. Barkley is the one oh one
last year and McCaffrey. I'm sure a lot of people
you know have have regrets not to Cafrey one O one,
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but Jake, last week we got into a discussion about
Derrick Henry and you mentioned, you know, Zeke and Barkley
ranked ahead of them for you. Where do you have
Henry and your preliminary ranks? Oh, this is such a
tough one for me. And I have him as I
think off the top of my head, I think you
would have him around our seven or eight. I wouldn't
take him in the first round. My biggest issue is
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just that we all play half point PPR full point
PPR at this point and there's still some non pprs
out there, which is finding you. Marcus knows how much
I load the full point I don't mind that, and
I will take him in the first round and non
point PPR. But you talk about the fact that sixteen touchdowns,
do you concern yourself a little bit with a touchdown
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regression even if not the guy led the league in rushing.
My biggest concern with Derrick Henry and I know we
don't like to play the game of predicting injuries or
anything like that, but we're trying to split here. So
here we're trying to figure out where the guy should rank.
And when you have somebody that size who gets dinged up,
missed the game this year, missed the part of a
game another time, it just takes the pounding that he takes,
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all the touches that he had over three hundred carries.
I just have major concerns of him holding up through
an entire season of that kind of workload. Again assuming
obviously the Titans bringing back and maybe franchise and whatever
my case might be. But what if Tannehill is not
back and now we're back looking at a Marcus Mariota
type off It's not that Mariote is going to be
the guy, but once the offense takes a downtick, yeah,
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it show. I love him, but I'd rather take him
in the second round, which means I'm probably not getting
him next year. Okay, Well, you mentioned Ryan Tannehill, right,
because he really was the key that turned things around
in that Tennessee offense this year, and we don't know
yet what he's going to do. I mean, he's saying
he's going to take a step back and try to
think about some things. I would imagine the Titans will
do whatever they can to try to keep him there.
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So let's just say, for the sake of argument, Ryan
Tannehill comes back to Tennessee next season, what are we
doing with him? I mean, you know, he had such
a great finish to the season, But at the same time,
a lot of us look at him and say, yeah,
but it's Ryan Tannehill. I mean, like, how are we
approaching him next year. I think a lot of people
are right and saying, yeah, but it's Ryan Dannehill because
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I liken it to two different things that compared him
once to Nick Foles amazing season and then another time
to not quite that level. But the two thousand and
sixteen Matt Ryan sy and what I'm getting at here,
it's a touchdown ratio was extremely high, and I just
don't know that if you're asking it's kind of the
Lamar Jackson without the rushing. If you're telling me my
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quarterbacks throwing for two hundred yards, a hundred eighty yards
forget the playoffs. I'm not even talking about the ninety
yard games, but a hundred twenty and like he's never
getting to the two fifty plus, never touching three hundred plus.
I can't buy into a fantasy quarterback that does that.
And where's the upside after that? Okay, the four rushing touchdowns,
those can you can argue a slight flukey. I don't
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want say flukey because it's not a fluke that he
made in the end zone, but hundred eighty five rushing
yards of four rushing touchdowns, and you can talk about
Colin Murray five hundred yards and four rushing touchdowns. I'd
rather take color Murray on the bet that he's going
to rush for more touchdowns. So I'm staying away from
I think the hype is gonna kind of balloon through
the roof after the next you know, after what we
just saw is back similar to the Browns from last season,
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so I could see him creeping towards the top fifteen.
And in that case, I'm just out all right, Um,
more quarterback questions, right, because this especially now dynasty leagues,
I know this is the time when a lot of
them start to kick in the full gear. You've got
people making deals, trying to figure out, you know, draft picks,
this sort of thing. If you were starting a dynasty
league and you're drafting, um, Patrick Mahomes or Kyler Murray,
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where are you going at quarterback? I feel like Lamar.
I feel like saying Lamar is just too easy, right,
So I threw Kyler. Yeah, Lamar is like one one
of course. Uh look it's it's Patrick Mahomes for me
and someone of the Christian McCaffrey think. It's really not
a conversation for me, and I know a lot of
people out there who want to have it. But here's
the simplest version of it I'll put out there is
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that Patrick Mahomes has already done it. Patrick Mahomes has
already done it and blew away the field similar to
the Lamar Jackson did to the field this year and
then had a downturn, which a lot of people expected
some aggression, but even in his downturn, still average nearly
three points more per game. So I will take the
fact that Mahomes has already hit his floor and we're
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trying to hope for Kyler Murray's feeling, but matcha, Mahomes
already done it and already hit his floor. In my opinion, like,
I think we just saw the worst Batteria Homes season.
I don't. I don't think it's gonna get any worse
than that. So I'm taking Mahomes And I think a
lot of people are going to be on Kyler Murray
because they're thinking that he keep the eclipse and what
he did Russian and hit Blmore Jackson level, and I
don't quite see. I think he's going to top out
around the hundred like the Robert Griffin numbers. So if
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that was the worst season we've seen from Patrick Mahomes,
it's pretty pretty damn good stuff. It was really only
because of injury that he had a little downturn in
his production real quick. Going back to Kyler Murray, So
just for redraft leagues next year, Jake, Like, I have
a feeling Murray's going to be in the conversation where
he's gonna start sneaking into like the sixth seventh round. Um,
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how how early are you going to be taking Murray
in your league's that's too early for me, mostly because
the biggest example we can give this year is look
at where Mark Jackson was taking. Look at where Jameis
Winston and Dak Prescott were both take Josh Allen was
in the twenties. So we see this every single year,
and I'm not saying it's not I'm not saying it's
stupid to draft Kyle Murray. If he falls to the
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seventh round, I'll definitely bite, especially if he's in the eighth.
We did a way too early mock draft on the
Athletic and he fell to the eighth round, and I
think it was crazy. I was. I was ready to
take him with the very next pick. I missed him
by one pick. I probably should have taken him in
the seventh, but I was taking Anti Enne, who's not
even gonna be here. So uh so I'm looking at
I say, you know what, if you want to take him,
I understand you're going to have to take him in
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the fifth or sixth round. But just realized that we
just saw this year. You can find plenty of other options.
Don't get caught up in the hype because similar to
Baker Mayfield. You know, everybody wanted to take him as
a fifth quarterback off the board this year. It's never
a guarantee and there's just so many options to turn to.
I mean, I just feel like with Kyler um yeah,
because I've been saying it, I'm not the only one.
A lot of people have been saying that. He seems
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like in our hunt for the next breakout quarterback, right.
I mean, a couple of years ago, everybody who took
My homes late was was on top of the world.
Last this past year, everybody who took Lamar Jackson late
felt great about themselves. And I feel like Kyler Murray
is going to be the next guy that everybody's going
to be on. But because we're already talking about this
in January, that discount you hope to get on Kyler
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Murray is going to be gone. And I think that's
if somebody we can all just you know, decide as
uniformly just shut up about it and maybe you still
get that discount. But I feel like that ship has
already sailed at this point, and some of the games
towards the end of the season concerned me a little bit,
and the fact that he looked to be making more
poor decisions than he did at the beginning of the year,
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and that's the opposite of what we want to see. Um.
You mentioned Jameis Winston. Um is okay. So he had
five thousand yards, he was the passing leader, he had
thirty touchdowns. That's great. Uh he had thirty picks. Not great,
is he? But he was like he was a top
five fantasy quarterback. Is he an elite fantasy quarterback right now?
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Am I? Right? Yeah? Uh? So yes, in the fact
that if he keeps the job. So I think the
biggest tell for us with the Buccaneers when the next year. Obviously,
if they keep we're assuming he's back with the Buccaneers.
If they I can't see how they pull in anybody
worth dang, because their cast situation isn't the greatest. So
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if they go into next year with the same backup
plans that they have, then yes he is. Because the
biggest thing about the Buccaneers this year's I'm sure there
was plenty instances pack the five turnover, five interception game.
Mid game, Bruce arians probably wishes he had somebody to say,
you know what, screw this, I'm going to somebody else's
doing what they can do what they can do. Because
I have Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, maybe I don't need
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Jamis Winston. I just don't think they have anybody else
to turn to. So if the situation is exactly the
same next year, yes it is because he doesn't care
that being Jams Winston, he's going to cod throw the ball,
which is what we want for fantasy, Which is insane
to think that depending on your league. He was three
or four or five in some places with thirty interceptions
that you just mentioned. So you have that with the
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hope that if he's brought back that Bruce Arias at
least was to improve that a little bit. You drop
in the twenty interceptions. He's number two, So I think
he is. I hate he's not elite fantasy. So you're
saying Ryan Griffin and Blaine Gabbert are not suitable backups
for for Jamis? Is that what you're trying to say, Jake,
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Ryan Griffin the tight end might be a better backup. Wow? Um,
I mean I do want to know we should start
since Joe Flacco, we know officially is no longer elite
like we we should replace him with Jamis Winston. Wait wait, wait,
you want Jamis Winston and Joe Flacco in the same team? No, No,
I mean just you know, like, since since the since
the is Joe Flacco Elite conversation is essentially dead, like
we should replace that with you know, is Jameis Winston Elite?
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That would be complusing. I don't know if you could
do that. Didn't you just see that Eli Manning came
out with his Elite beer and it's already sold out
pretty Oh no, I did not see this. Yeah, so
there you go. Um, So, this past year and you
talked about Baker Mayfield and how we all got really
excited about Baker and what this Brown's offense can be
and O'Dell and Jarvis Landry and the chubbing on and
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on and on and for the most part, you know,
aside from essentially Chubb, that offense sort of went belly
up this year. They have overhauled, you know, Freddie Kitchens
is out, They're doing some new things there in Cleveland.
Do we give the Browns a pass next season? And
do we do we start to buy back and maybe
not at the levels we did this year, but do
we start to buy back in, thinking that last year
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just with a bad situation or what. So I'm gonna
say no because you, myself, everybody similar to the commentary
is we're already talking about it. And so that's why
I say no. Is I would love to buy back in.
I would love to take Baker Mayfield as a high
end QB two and get Odell Beckham as a discount
and continue down the road here. But I have a
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feeling that we're not going to get the discount we
need to take. Because let's be honest about this situation.
Is we can be fans of Baker Mayfield, we can
be fans of Odell Beckham and the talent. And obviously
Jarvis Landry said out was playing partly through an injury
and everything looks fine for next year. But all that
be instead is yes, Kitchens has gone, But is the
situation better. I don't think we can say yes, because
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let's talk about Stefanski. With one year of calling plays,
there's now in there and as of now is considering
not bringing an offensive coordinator, and they brought in Callahan
as an all offensive line coach. So I'm assuming you'll
have input, but that more helps, you know, obviously the
running game and Callahan's experienced there is run the damn ball. Uh,
So I don't know that we can say yes, So
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I'm gonna say no as of today. I would feel
better if Stefanski was doing what the Giants are doing
with Judge and bringing in a lot of minds to
help him. So as of today we're already talking about it.
The hype is gonna start building again because the hepe
was there from this year. I'm gonna say no on
the Browns and no pass from me, and I don't
think we're gonna get the discount we need to get. Um.
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Are we worried at all about O'Dell Beckham and this
this report of him having surgery on his core muscles?
Does that worry you? Not? Really the biggest thing that
we're me more with Odell Beckham And I'm not gonna
put him in Antonio Brown's situation, But I mean that's
just the fact that it's not stop with him. It's
always something and the injuries have piled up through his
career already injury wise, but it's more just the frustrations
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and the stuff that happened to l s U And
just like it's always something going on with him. So
unless I can get Odell Beckham is like a low
end wide receiver to cost, I think it's gonna be
out on him. I know, he still looked he could
turn out to be in the top ten next year.
He had the upside to be number one. A lot
of people said that for this year, and it wouldn't
have surprised me. But I just I can't buy in
at this point for what he's gonna cost. I mean,
(32:34):
the the videos from from the championship game were wild
Man all over the place that night. Yeah he was,
he was on yeah oh man. Um okay, so one
of there's something fun with you, Jake, because you know
when I'm on your pod, usually have something fun for
me to do. I wanted to kind of reciprocate that. Um,
this week is the Pro Bowl. Um. Now, as of
(32:55):
last check, there are no places I think offering daily
offerings for the Pro Bowl because, UM, I feel like
that that just signals that, you know, maybe you need
to just take a pause a little bit. Also because
the rosters. Also because the rosters are sort of always
in flux pretty much right up until kickoff for the
Pro Bowl. So that probably has something to do with it,
but I wanted to get if you had to pick quarterback,
(33:17):
running back, receiver tied in and Graham, you and I
can jump in on this too, and we need to
pick our our own little four team rosters or four
player rosters. Where are you going for the Pro Bowl
this week? Do you want to do like snake version?
Because I don't want to take all the good ticks
and leave you guys. Sure we do snaking, but we'll
let you start it. Then I'll take the easiest one.
(33:38):
I'll take Lamar Jackson the quarterback, because the quarterbacks are
always hit or miss, and what are we going to get?
Maybe ten eleven twelve attempts at the most, maybe one
or two touchdowns. So the fact Lamar Jackson running, that's
just where I'm gonna I'm looking at the six quarterbacks.
I think Lamar Jackson is the easy one for me. Okay, Graham,
where where would you go? Shaun Watson is playing right, Yes,
(33:58):
I'll go with him because certainly is not. That's That's
where I was gonna go because it just feels like
a game where Deshaun Watson, you know, runs around and
plays backyard football and uh, you know, and throws up
a few and that work out for him, all right.
So since those guys are off the board, my quarterback
will be m hmm, what's call Russell Wilson. Uh, we'll
take We'll take Russ and uh it will fill it out,
(34:19):
all right. So this mean I get to go back
and were snaking it? Um? All right? So if I'm
looking at a running back, I'm gonna go Alvin Camara. Yeah,
I'm going I'm going Camara right here at my running
back spot. Uh because I think, Yeah, I think, especially
the way he finished the season and the fact that
he was so frustrating, it's going to make people more
angry that that he decided to show up in the
(34:41):
Pro Bowl and not during the regular season. So yeah,
well that's gonna happen. Yeah, of course, absolutely, of course
Alvin Camara scores two touchdowns in week seventeen two when
no one's playing anymore? When right, Grant, where are you going? Yeah, well,
you just sniped me in our three man Pro Bowl.
I don't know what to do. I'm very flustered. No,
I'll go with Christian McCaffrey though, Okay, alright, alright, so
uh Camara McCaffrey off the board. Uh, Jake, what where
(35:03):
are you going? Oh? No, grab you need a new pick.
Camaric replaced McCaffrey. Oh yeah, you're out. Okay, So so
take to take two. We'll go with Zeke okay, al right,
off the board. Well, so you took my pick, because
the biggest thing is how many carrious have we ever
seen in the Pro Bowl? Like six, I was going
(35:23):
for the receiver and you took him. So I'll go
you guys are both on the NFC side, So I'll
go to Nick Job hopefully and that you know, hey
he's in the Pro Bowl. They go back to passing
to him. But unlike one scream hunt was activated. So
I'll go Nick Jobs all right, Okay, so then it's
back to you, uh, wide receiver. So it would seem, look,
there's actually thought about this, this is the strategy behind it.
Like it would seem the obvious pick would be like
(35:45):
Michael Thomas. But looking back at Pro Bowls, I can't
believe I did Pro Bowl research it. You're a true professional,
Jake Seeley. I know. Look the bigger guys and the
bigger touchdown guys that you think often don't do. I
don't know if they're just not running and like that
half speed or whatever it is, but it's more of
the slot quicker guys, like the laster threes of the world.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with your Deshaun Watson,
(36:09):
hopefully that he matches up and picks up a lot
with Keenan Allen. Okay, all right, that's interesting, Okay, Graham, Well, yeah, yeah,
I kind of want to have some fun with this.
So I'm gonna go to DJ Chark just because I
think he can take the top off of the defense
and and get deep ones here. Okay, I like that.
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Kenny Golladay because I
feel like, um, I don't know, I feel like some
(36:32):
of these guys, like a DJ Chark or Kenny Golladay,
like they they want to prove that they sort of
belong with the rest of these guys, and so I think, right,
and so I think this is like a showcase opportunities.
So I'm gonna go Kenny Golladay here. Um, Titan is
gonna be rough, and so I'm glad I sort of
get to go first here because of the way the
snake worked out. Its completely unintentional. But um uh, let's see.
I'm gonna go really because the two top tight ends
(36:56):
of the game are off the board. So I think
I'm gonna go mark An Drew's here because I just
don't know where else I could possibly go. Yeah, I
was at this point. I always think about Andrews. I'll
go with Arts. It's my tight end, all right. At
least slim pickings for you, sir, Oh yeah, at least
me Doyle or Hooper? You know what can I pivot?
Since it's the game made for me, I'm gonna say,
(37:18):
because this is always what happens. One of those dang
on fullbacks. Don't see j Ham? Alright, I'm at my
tight end position, all right, I'll allow that. All right.
Andy Sherman had like what seventy yards last year or
something ridiculous. It's always somebody random like that. Yeah, usually
it is somebody random, like I could honestly see c
J Ham like scoring, I got touchdown and you know,
(37:38):
picking up like sixty yards somewhere randomly. In this game,
it's Kirk Cousins playing because Kirk Cousins loves Chuck. That true,
Ham that is true. I can see kirk Cousins in
the fourth quarters trying to lead a comeback, just like
feeding see j Ham, Oh look look you see. Look,
Grandma's getting invested. You just created the narrative. Kirk Cousins
get the start, so Galvin Cook will be out by
the time kirk Cousins his inn and there he goes,
(38:00):
am oh man, does mean we have a problem? Do
we have a problem? Yeah? Wow? Uh Jake? Before I
let you go, as as we always do when you
and I chat, what are you watching? Is there anything
now that I have dad life, Like, I don't get
to sit and just binge Netflix stuff quite as much anymore.
So like, tell me what I need to be watching
on on Netflix or who any of these any of
these streaming services that that you know. I've watched The Mandalorian,
(38:22):
so you don't have to worry about that, but like
what else is out there? Have so did you? Because
you're Star Wars, did you ever watched the Clone Wars cartoons?
I never finished it. I got a good way through it.
You need to finish it because they have a new
season that's going to be on the Plus this year,
so you gotta finish that. The other one is I'm
getting into my beinging next week, so I haven't started
anything just yet. I can't believe I'm about to admit this,
(38:44):
but I actually got into that Dragon Prince cartoon. So yeah,
I somehow got sucked in and kept watching that after
watching the first episode. But everybody keeps telling me you
gotta watch you so that might be on my cueue.
I don't know that I can get myself into that. Yeah,
I've seen. I've seen a little bit of it. It's
I don't know. Yeah, good save at the time, it's
(39:06):
not good to save at the time. Yeah, I don't
know about all that. Uh, Jake, we're working all these
five folks. Not that. If people are listening to this podcast,
they probably know you. They know you work. But for
the folks who don't, where can they find you? Yees?
So over at the athletic Twitter at all my kid
where tweet everything out, so the podcast to see the
athletic articles. Everything just over there. And it's fun time,
(39:27):
like you said, about to hand out my awards for
two thousand nineteen, so it's always fun. I do. Here
you go. That's what I've been playing with video games
they always do my Video Game Awards version. Oh okay.
I also saw that your your top two hundred You're
way too early. Top two hundred is out. Um And
also are there going to be any more like sereal
or fast food reviews coming from you soon? Yeah, I'm
(39:48):
working on them. I actually went to McDonald for the
first time in a decade, and I was like this,
this doesn't look like the same McDonald I don't remember.
It's all like nice and they're screens like Donalds are nice.
Now they are nice. They're really nice. That must have.
We're updating and stuff. But Jake, you're a your your
serial rankings last last year where truly it was a
truly appointment reading type thing. Oh please everybody out there.
(40:09):
It is a testament to the quality of my cakes. Uh,
Jake Man, we appreciate the time as always. Uh. If
you don't follow him at Twitter, as he mentioned on
All in Kid or on Twitter at all in Kid,
I can speak to the English, Uh, then go do that.
It's always worth your time, Jake, appreciate it man, We
will talk soon. Be good. Thanks to Jake seely for
(40:31):
his time. Appreciate talking to him. Always a good guy
to chat with, read him when and where. You can
also check out his podcast too. It is a very
fun podcast. So there we go. That is it. We
are done. We appreciate you downloading and listening. You know
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(41:11):
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