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January 29, 2024 49 mins

On today’s episode of The NFL Report: Steve Wyche James Palmer and discuss at length the Super Bowl LVIII rematch between the 49ers & Chiefs. Omar Ruiz on how the 49ers rallied to overcome a 17point deficit to win and advance, while Sherree Burruss weighed in how Lamar Jackson and the Ravens came up short. Marc Ross joined Steve and James discussing the impact of Lions losing OC Ben Johnson to potential Head Coaching Job, why Chiefs players believe DC Steve Spagnola and the likelihood of Bill Belichick returning as a head coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
And what's so, guys.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is Dante Hall akad X Factor, aka the Human Joystick,
And this is the NFL Report. Yes, we are here
at the NFL Report. We know who is going to
be in the Super Bowl. James Palmer, it will be
the Chiefs, it will be the forty nine ers. And
we have a loaded show today. We have Omar Ruiz,
who will be at the Niners facility. He was at

(00:27):
the NFC Championship. Sherry Burris, who was with you in
Baltimore for the AFC Championship. She'll be here Mark Ross
talking to some big picture stuff. But before we get
to any of that, JP, you had the viral moment
of the weekend. Let's take a look at this video.
And then you were gonna tell us all the deats
behind it.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, Steve, this was pregame here at M and T
Bank Stadium. And listen, this is Travis Kelcey telling maybe
the greatest kicker of all time, justin Tucker, I don't
want you to be one up around my quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Now,
some people say that this was playful. I was there
to witness this, and I talked to a number of
people afterwards that were involved. There was nothing playful about this.

(01:13):
Travis Kelcey was lit Steve. He was angry at Justin Tucker.
Same with Patrick Mahomes. Him and Tucker actually had words.
And this is what I was told by people that
have played on other teams that have faced the Ravens
this year. Tucker does this to get under the skin,
warming up in the end zone of the opposing team

(01:34):
and then warming up in their way in a sense,
to play maybe a head game, I was told. I
was told Steve, they asked him to move and to
just be a you know what, Justin Tucker moved his
ball over quote one inch to the left. That was it,
and that set this team off even further. And I

(01:54):
was told in the Chiefs postgame locker room they poked
the bear pregame and we knew he had an advantage
prior to the start of this game. It was it
was something to see.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Who knew.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Everyone thought there was some playful little stuff here, but
Justin Tucker played the goon and poked the bear.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Jp'na. We're gonna talk about more about that later. We're
gonna get to the ANFC Championship later.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But let's get to this NFC Championship game that we
saw in the evening game. And let's get to the
bigger news segment of the forty nine ers victory. Was
it really a rally for the forty nine ers JP
or was it a lion's epic collapse.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I'm gonna say it was a rally, and I'm saying
this is the bigger news because we saw two things happen. One,
Kyle Shanahan was able to get over the hump in
terms of everybody bringing up these fourth quarter stats.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's now done it two weeks in a row.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was what oh to thirty in his career going
into the fourth quarter down seven, at least he was
one and thirty after last week, they go and do
this this week, coming back and scoring twenty seven unanswered.
The second part of it is that man, right there,
brock Perdy really just eliminating in an NFC Championship game

(03:11):
in his second NFL season. Steve, I am not a
game manager. I remember going back to his rookie year
having a lengthy conversation with Kyle Uschek, who told me,
this is a better athlete than people think, This is
a better competitor than people think.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
And you saw both of those things happen in this
fourth quarter. Let's just say it. He won this game,
Steve with his legs.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, multiple times he saw his first read maybe second
read gone and took off with the football. And Uschek
told me he is faster and more athletic than people think.
It's probably another one of those things to where people
are just assuming, they're assuming he's the game manager until
they play against him, Uschek told me, And then you

(03:55):
realize he's a little more elusive, a little bit quicker,
and his mind is so good. He plays angles, he
knows where he's going. We saw him take his game
to another level one hundred and forty quarterback rating in
the third quarter. He was electric in the second half.
And I think that's your guy, Steve H.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I feel so much better today about my guy, the
real MVP, Real MVP rock Perty. Let's recast the vote
the real MVP.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Look, here's here's why. I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
As great as Rock Party was in as many points
as the Niners were able to rally from behind, they
were down by seventeen, they came back to win. They
did it JP because of their defense. They denied the
Lions in the second half until the waning moments and
the way that they played and look at some of this.
In the first half, we saw Detroit rush for one

(04:42):
hundred and forty eight yards. It finished with one hundred
and eighty two. They stopped the run game. They shut
it down aman Ros Saint Brown, who was carving him
up in the first half to count of two second
half catches. If it weren't the player of their defense,
Tayshawn Gibson stripping the ball from Jamior Gibbs who does
not fumble up deep in Alliance territory, which set up

(05:05):
the touchdown for CMC to tie this game. It was
the defense to me that really rallied to get the
Niners back and give the ball back to the real MVPGP.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I love that. See, we have to real quick.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Let's I want your take on the Lion's side of
things before we move on to the AFC Championship game.
What did you think about what transpired in the second half.
Obviously everybody's talking about the two fourth down that were
not converted by Dan Campbell.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I mean I was annoyed by the second one.
I mean, you know, they played it safe to position
themselves to remain in field goal position, right Jared Goff
on the third down, check it down underneath it was
like fourth and four, very manageable field goal distance. And
that's where you have to get the points to try
or at least try to get the points to tie
it because your team is reeling. I mean, that stadium
has all the energy in the Niners way. If you

(05:55):
level the playing field, you get it to twenty seven
twenty seven, then all of a sudden, your team you
can come to the side and say, okay, we're all
at zero's. It is a new start. But you know,
here's the other thing we could complain about the Dan
Campbell not going for the field goal, but a couple
of players make some of the plays, like you intercept
the ball that brock perty through, that bombsed off the
DB's hand, that Brandon Iu catches. We're gonna talk to

(06:16):
Omar Ruiz about this later. That you know that cheange
is the game, there's a couple of things that players
could have done too. So as much as we're banging
on Dan Campbell and I am banging on him for
not trying that field goal, make a couple of plays
and't you wouldn't be in that situation.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You're exactly right, Steve.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
If Reynolds catches the first fourth down attempt, they're probably
not going for it on that second one that you
talked about being upset with if they would have converted
the first and maybe we're looking at Dan Campbell completely different.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
On this day. We overanalyze everything.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
And then the second part is they went an NFL
high twenty three times for it on fourth down with
two or three yards over the last two seasons. Heading
into this game, they had a seventy percent completion or
percentage essentially to convert that well between forty five and
fifty yards at Levi Stadium over the last five seasons,

(07:05):
it's about a seventy three percent chance you're gonna convert
that kick.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
They don't have a lot of faith in their kicker.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's almost a wash, and you stick with maybe what
you've been doing over the last two seasons. I'm not
upset with Dan Campbell really when I look at the
analytics of it, Steve, I really am not.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I'm telling you, this is a dupe team are scared of.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
The scared of the elements out there. Maybe at Levi
don't I don't know. Let's get to the AFC Title
Game and I had a chance to catch up with
the man who's just building a legacy that is unlike
any other. Patrick Mahomes after he won in his sixth
attempt at the AFC Championship Game, I was told by
multiple people in your building, you or a man possessed

(07:46):
this week.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
What is it like going to win this game on
the road this time? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:50):
No, it was.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
It was unreal.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
I mean that's a great football team every single aspect,
and our guy stepped up to the challenge. A fun year,
I mean, a lot of adversity we've battled through. We're
not done yet. You know we're gonna We're gonna carry
this momentuments to this super Bowl and try to go
win that thing.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
You've been through a lot this year, but it was
old Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes today.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
What works so well between the two years.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah no, I mean I know he's gonna show up.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
He always does.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
When the light skined brighter, he plays better. So I'm
gonna trust him at all times and we'll throw it
to him.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Went on one matchups and he make plays happen. All right,
Go join this.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I appreciate you Brough, good job talking to Patrick Mahomes
who's going to his fourth super Bowl in the past
five years.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
JP. That's insane, So bigger news.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Let's get here, the Kansas City Chiefs doing what they
do and getting to the super Bowl, or the Baltimore
Ravens blowing this opportunity being the top seed.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Steve, It's the Kansas City Chiefs because what Patrick Mahoons
is doing is he is joining rarefied air.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Here.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
He is putting himself in the Tom Brady conversation as
the greatest of all time and.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
He's twenty eight years old.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think that's why this is a bigger deal because
he is doing something we just have never seen before
outside of Tom Brady. And what we saw was a season,
as you heard him say there, it didn't go the
way that they planned. And this is kind of Steve,
I'm making that comparison because how many times did we
hear during the regular season this Patriots team just isn't it,

(09:14):
This isn't it. And then once again the postseason hits
and there goes Brady, there goes Gronk, there goes that group,
and now once again, here goes Patrick Mahomes, Here goes
Travis Kelcey. I had a chance to stand there right
next to Jason and Travis Kelcey as they embraced and
Travis got emotional Steve on the field, as Jason told him,
I know how hard this year was for you.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I know how much of a battle it was for you.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Because if you ask anyone in the NFL, Travis Kelcey
has lost a step at thirty four. He is not
getting open as frequently as he does in the past.
He is a surefire Hall of Famer. But what have
we seen these last three games? It has been Travis
kelce of old. He has dug deep. The competitive nature
of both of those guys to will this team into
a super Bowl is the bigger news.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yea, Look and look, let's get some credits to that defense.
I mean, hell, the Ravens are ten points, stone.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Cold Jawings and George car Laftis were insane, and Lagerius
Sneed remains the best player that we continue not to
talk about. But the bigger, bigger news is the Baltimore
Ravens taking the LJP. I'm giving all due respect to
the Chiefs. I mean, they all due respect, but this
was the number one seed. This was a team that
was kicking the holy hell out of every team they played.

(10:25):
They were winning bout eighteen points a game since December,
and they got the Yips. There's no other way to
put Lamar Jackson did not play Yips. The Yips in
the big moment. They did not make the plays. Lamar Jackson.
We talked about brock perty pulling it down and running
with it. There were so many opportunities for Lamar to

(10:47):
do that in the second half of that game, when
the Chiefs were dropping seven or eight, only rushing three
or four, run the ball be Lamar, But instead he
was like, Okay, I'm just gonna sit here and I'm
gonna play quarterback. I'm gonna hey man, sometimes this is it.
I mean, this is one and done. You have to play.
You had the bad interception in the end zone and
the z A Flowers play. This is one where as

(11:07):
much as people are putting on Jay Flowers, Lugerius Sneed
made the play of the weekend.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
If you want to believe play of this.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
He comes from eight yards away off of a block
to get there and punch that ball out in the
end zone. Those are some game changing plays right there.
But the fact that the Baltimore Ravens, and we're gonna
talk to Mark Ross about this later, dominated the way
that they did changed the offense to be more efficient,
and it was and they still didn't get over the

(11:33):
Now it's a huge up the Kansas City Chiefs, who.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Showed to be the man. You gotta beat the man,
and you couldn't beat the man.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
We're left with the Ravens not being the man and
the rest of the AFC looks like it's gonna be
getting better.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
So a blown opportunity. JP, Hey, JP, you know what.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
We're gonna talk a little bit more about the real
MVP coming up shortly.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Omar Ruiz he is still in Santa Clara as go
big party. He isn't irrelevant anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Omar is next after the break on the NFL Report
to chat up the NFC chance.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Play after play after play in the second half.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
You delivered with your arm, you delivered with your legs.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
How would you describe what happened there?

Speaker 8 (12:21):
And they come back man down seventeen and a half. Uh,
you know, our whole team is just you gotta find
a way, you know, our seasons online. Obviously, the first
halt performance was tough, and so we were like, you
know what, backs against the wall, Let's just go. Let's
try to get some momento role and get some points
up on the board. So we're able to find a way.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
That's our own.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Omar Ruiz with Brock Purty, Steve's MVP of the season,
and now Omar joins us still in Santa Clara. He's
declaring residency there in that area. He's been with the
Niners for so long. Oh thanks for joining us. And
we have to start with the man, Steve's guy right there,
Brock party right out of the jump. Outside of what
we just saw there, what did we hear from his teammates,

(12:59):
his head coach about what he did in the second
half and maybe a stigma that was just eliminated, possibly
as he heads to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Well, I think it matched the conviction that they have
spoken with about Brock Purty all year long, that he
is a playmaker, that he is a game changer, that
he can ad lib plays and make the off scripted plays,
and he did it on the biggest stage that he
has ever been on, in this NFC Championship game. He
did it when they were down twenty four to seven

(13:32):
and help lead this forty nine Er comeback.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Now, the forty nine.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
Ers teammates in the locker room about brock Purty, they've
been tired of having that conversation for weeks now about
brock Purty. But I think they had expressed Trent Williams
earlier in the week Juwan Jennings to me after the game,
how proud they were of brock Purdy because he puts
his head down, he works. They expected him to deliver

(13:57):
in this way after that subpart performance against the Packers,
and he did that. So it validated all the positivity,
all the belief that they've had in him for him
to deliver again with his legs those two twenty one
yard runs and the game changing fifty one yard deflection
to Brandon Ayuk. Sometimes you have to get good bounces.
Sometimes you create your own good fortune. The forty nine

(14:19):
ers did that pretty certainly did that in the second half.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
They're leading that comeback. Ye Omar.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I mean there's a lot of talking about some quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean Ben Roethlisberger, and I'm not comparing party to
Ben Roethlisberger, but who may not play well in a half,
and they come back and they deliver when they have to.
And that's what Rock Party has done two straight weeks. Okay,
you just talked about that deflected pass that Party threw
up and that Brandon Ayuk caught at about the three
yard line on the tip. They eventually go win the
score to Pool within seven. That was the play of

(14:48):
the game offensively for them.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Wilmar, What was the.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Discussion in the Niners locker room about that play and
how important that was in getting them this dub.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
It was all about the momentum that they took from
that and several players talked about the momentum not just
from that play, but then the next possession for the Lions,
the foam bole that they recovered that would help set
up the game tying score. But it was that IU
play that was just so remarkable. And you talk about
the bounces that the forty nine ers were not getting

(15:19):
in the first half, Well, that started to turn the.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Tide with that IU play. What else turned the tide?

Speaker 7 (15:25):
How about that defense coming with the physicality, the aggressiveness.
In talking to Steve Wilks after the game, I asked
him what changed for your group and he said it
was nothing miraculous. He said, they played a little bit
more man there in the second half, but that defensive
line started to play up front to their reputation, and
that allowed the linebackers like Fred Warner and Drake Greenlaw

(15:46):
to get downhill and really attack that run and stop
them in a way that they couldn't in the first half.
And I even asked Fred Warner because they knew coming
into this game, and there was a discussion that we
had last week. It was a very subtle thing in
hearing the forty nine ers players speak about the Detroit Lions.
They were saying that they were going to have to
match the physicality and aggressiveness of those Lions. So they

(16:08):
had the respect, they had the attention of the Lions
did of the forty nine ers, But you had always
heard the forty nine ers say, Okay, teams are going
to have to come in here and match our physicality.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So it was just a subtle little thing that I heard.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
So they knew that Detroit was going to come in
here and try to play smash mouth, and they did so.
Getting back to the conversation with Fred Warner, he said,
I don't know why it took for the second half
to deliver. They said there was no raw, raw discussions
in the locker room at halftime, but Chase Young told
me that they were just shouting out, Okay, what do
we need to fix and some of the things that

(16:40):
came up where you got to run to the football
when the play comes to you got to make it.
Everybody has to finish at the football. And so that
style of aggressiveness, the physicality that they had been known
for finally started to show up and that helped turn
the tide as well.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, you're talking about it ollmore with that defensive line.
Let's just talk about where those guys were drafted, what
some of them been paid over the last couple of years,
and we've been kind of wondering if they were going
to play up to those type of reputations.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
As you mentioned it, Let's go to the.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Physicality aspect of it that you brought up, because what
I thought really stood out to me guys in this
game is that even when the run game wasn't working
and you were seeing Christian McCaffrey fighting for two three
yards at times, that Kyle Shanahan omar stuck with the
run and that he still tried to remain as balanced
as he could while they were down in the second half.

(17:30):
Steem's very happy about it, apparently that they were able
to make sure they didn't abandon the run because there's
still were the opportunities and you saw it where then
they'd pop one once in a while. And the persistence
of that in the second half. What did you hear
in the locker room about them being able to try
to still remain balanced in the second half and the
importance of that, especially as you're heading into the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
Well, that's the hallmark of the Kyle Shanahan offense, the
persistence to stay on the ground and how that opens
everything up in the offense, in the miss direction and
the motion and all of that because of the success
that they have on the ground game and sticking to it.
But I think, you know, when they're down seventeen points
at the half, you start to think, Okay, they're going

(18:12):
to open it up and they're going to you know,
try to get in a shootout here. But that wasn't
the case. And I think that speaks to the bigger
picture about how this forty nine Ers team just didn't
panic that they're Like again, there were no raw ross
speeches in the locker room. It was just a committed
decision to play more physically and to stick to who
they are, to what they are and to what got
them here, and to not abandon the run and to

(18:33):
play that physical style of football and follow Christian McCaffrey
and Trent Williams and Deebo Samuel and the rest in
that second half. So is this a commitment, a reaffirmation
of who they are, of what they've built here and
they delivered when they needed it at most. And I
think that's where maybe the experience showed up of being
in their fourth NFC Championship game in five years, to

(18:54):
have that conviction to still play their style of football.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
And not to abandon what got them here.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
And I think it speaks to what they've said all
year long in that they felt that they needed you
know that number one. See, they wanted to play the
NFC Championship game at home. They felt that last year
in Philadelphia, had they had brock Prudy, they you know,
the outcome might have been different.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
And that's what we saw.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
Brock Prudy was the difference maker there in the second
half that Levi Stadium crowd was rocking to help rally
that team in the second half, and and here we
are again another Chiefs forty nine Ers Super Bowl four
years later.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Quickly, Omar, were there people in the niners locker room
trying to get Dan Campbell's address to mail him a
Christmas card for not kicking the field goal and going
forward on fourth down as many times as he did.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
If you guys remember last yeah, last week against green Bay,
green Bay went for an on fourth and one, and
the forty nine Ers defense came up with the stop.
But then it was up to the forty nine Ers
defense then offense to go eighty six yards the other
way and capitalize on that momentum and to play complimentary football,
and they scored a touchdown in green Bay, and that

(20:02):
kind of helped turn the tide from that early momentum
the Packers had delivered. And it was the same thing
here on the fourth and two stop. It's not just
that they stopped the Lions offense in an absolutely time
of a game that they needed it, but it was
the fact that then they went seventy plus the other
way to score the touchdown, to capitalize on the momentum

(20:24):
and really ship the dynamics of the game.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, Omar, the second one, Steve Wilkes Jared Goff thinks
they're in man and then changes it up when he
starts rolling out and they drop it into his zone
and there was just no place to go with the football.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
It was just a brilliant call in ate, a late
adjustment right by a lot of those guys. It was
part of his unit with the San Francisco forty nine ers,
A great, great wrinkle there at a key, key moment.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Omar, you saw a brilliant one.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Finally get home to that family, you know, leave Santa
Clara at some jabo today.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Please, Okay, good to see it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,
I can't wait to get home. Rest up. I'll see
you guys in Vegas. Sounds good, buddy, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
You know who's going to be in Vegas, the Kansas
City Chiefs. You know who won't be the Baltimore Ravens.
This was a shippy one back and forth between these
two teams. Crowd didn't like that call, I don't know why,
which was completely insane. Sherry Burris joins us next to
talk about what's next for the loser of the AFC
Championship Game, the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
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Speaker 2 (21:25):
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Speaker 1 (21:48):
Welcome back to the NFL Report.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
The Kansas City Chiefs heading to the Super Bowl for
the fourth time in five seasons, this time in the
AFC Championship Game. They do it on the road against
the team and that many around the country believe was
the best team in the NFL. And they slowed down
the perennium potentially MVP Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
And that was done by safety Justin Reid. Here he
is with Sherry Burris.

Speaker 9 (22:14):
It's never easy. It took a team effort. We caught hard,
tooth and nail. Nobody gave us a chance born half
point underdogs, but we got all we need, not locked room,
and we believe in each other. We believe in the coaches.
The coaches believe in us, and we go out there
and scute the way that we escute today, We're gonna
be a hard turn to be.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
So we excited about the opportunity.

Speaker 10 (22:31):
Just what is the limit for you guys, as you
do have one more game left this season?

Speaker 9 (22:35):
I think we could keep stacking it. We know what
the prize is, you know what the ultimate goal is.
Are we gonna go chase it with everything in our soul?
We all want it so bad we're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Back to bed now. He made up these shirts justin
Reid and Spags. We trust.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I'll tell you one thing, Steve Spags did not like
the shirts. You sound them rather embarrassing, But if you
know Steve Spagnola, that's.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Par for the course. But his players and his defense
absolutely think the world of their defensive coordinator and he
had another brilliant game plan once again in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah absolutely, I mean they shut down that Ravens offense.
And speaking of the Ravens, are bringing in our own
Sherry Burr. Sherry, great job with that interview, Great job
all week, and you have been with the Ravens for
much of this season. They were the most dominant team
in the NFL. But Lamar Jackson did not change the narrative.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
He is not going to the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
What is being said about his inability if you will,
to elevate his team the way that Patrick Mahomes did.

Speaker 10 (23:35):
It's a pregame yesterday and he was saying that you
can build a legacy. There will be a legacy making
play in this game. And he said, never count out
Patrick Mahomes, but the same rate, never count out Lamar Jackson.
But his point was if Lamar Jackson could go in
there and beat Patrick Mahomes, beat this Kansas City defense,
this Kansas City dynasty, even at that, that would take

(23:57):
Lamar to the next level. But again we saw them
fall short and James, we were sitting there next to
each other in the press box just kind of scratching
our heads at what this Ravens offense was doing, Like
it didn't seem like they were really clicking on all
cylinders like we were used to seeing my notes, I
literally wrote halftime observations looking like expected but offense not

(24:18):
finding their rhythm. And even after the game, Lamar said,
you know they're frustrated, but this was I think an
important step in the fact that they do obviously have
plans and aspirations to make to a Super Bowl, they
still need that experience to kind of get over that hump.
Zay Flowers, you know, a big key of this. Also,
he was such a big piece offensively, and I know
there's a now, you know, a knock on them for

(24:39):
that play at the goal line, also that taunting penalty.
But like a man as a rookie, he stood up
in front of the media in that locker room addressing us,
which in a moment I'd have to assume is the
hardest moment in his football career. And he just talked
about the brotherhood in this locker room, not just for himself,
but everyone being able to keep themselves I think optimistic

(25:00):
and positive despite falling so short of getting to such
a big game and their goals of making it back
to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Jery, we're seeing the play right here of Lagarius Need,
one of the best corners in all of football, punching
that football out prior to the goal line from Zay Flowers.
And you mentioned the taunting called Joe Burrow by the way, says,
let them taunt. I want to see everybody taunt everybody,
which was great by Joe Cool out there on the
Twitter world. But that play in particular, what did John
Harbaugh company have to say about him? Because this is

(25:29):
a rookie that has played at a remarkable level. But
that's the type of play at a goal line that
is preached repeatedly throughout a season. What was said about
that game changing play from the other side of things,
because we've heard it from the chief side.

Speaker 10 (25:45):
Yeah, so head coach John Harbaugh said, we teach them
for at the goal line, two hands on the ball
if you're going to reach. If we see that play again,
that's exactly what Zay did. Two hands on the ball.
We see it right here. I think he I'm not
mad at Zay for trying. I think it'd be more
upsetting if he didn't try to go for the goal line. Personally,

(26:06):
I guess hindsight is twenty twenty. But that is exactly
as head coach John Harbass said, they teach that play.
I'm just saying, this is kind of one of those
games where the ball sometimes it just doesn't roll your
way or you know what.

Speaker 11 (26:18):
Hey, the defense they get paid just.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
Like the offense to go out there and make plays,
and that's exactly what we saw happen.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Sure, you know, we talked about how dominant the Ravens
have been, like how much was a blown opportunity?

Speaker 4 (26:30):
How much was a blown opportunity?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Was this because the saying is and the windows open,
you got to run through it and they didn't.

Speaker 10 (26:38):
Yeah, So I don't know if this is just the
emotional side and like the human side of it, but
being in that locker room after the game, there is
nothing more disheartening seeing those men in there hugging each
other knowing that this probably was the last time they
will ever.

Speaker 11 (26:52):
Have this team together.

Speaker 10 (26:54):
So you do feel for them and the fact that
they wanted to win the Super Bowl now because of
the pieces they had.

Speaker 11 (27:01):
Now they have so many free agents.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
We don't even know if defensive cornator Mike McDonald is
still going to be their offensive coordinator Todd Bunkin even
now this is his first season as OC.

Speaker 11 (27:11):
They're both getting head coach interviews. So they wanted to.

Speaker 10 (27:14):
Win now for the urgency, so steep to your point,
I mean that was a driving factor, and you know,
we don't know if you ever get back to this
point again. They hadn't been to the Super Bowl in
twelve years. They haven't had an AFC Championship game in
Baltimore in fifty three years, So, you know, I think
they understand that there was a sense of urgency to
get it done now. But like I said, I think

(27:36):
there is some optimism looking at the young pieces that
they do have.

Speaker 11 (27:39):
Like we talked about as a Flowers, We're talking about
Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
They have a lot of young, really strong pieces, Lamar
signing his contract this spring. They feel like they are
building towards their ultimate goal, even though they still fell
short just yesterday.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
And sure there are some key for Aden Packrick Queen
who plays there right next to Roquand's with Smith justin
like a lot of guys on that group, Guno Stone
who played a big role in the secondary filling in
at times and had a monster season honestly a variety
against Gendevion Clowney, some of the Kyle van Noy, the
older guys that they brought in to fill certain pieces

(28:16):
and make this team work. We know how good this Yeah,
Odell's Odell's as well as going to be a free
agent OPJ so real quickly, what do you see them
doing moving forward, because we know this is a team
that is very good in the draft usually year in
and year out. Where do you see talking to people
in Baltimore? Is maybe a spot they need to take

(28:36):
a step up? Is it still receiver even after they
maybe took Zay this past year and had six success
with the rookie.

Speaker 11 (28:43):
Yeah, I think so. But I also I think yes.

Speaker 10 (28:45):
So to answer your question wide receiver, yes, consider we
talked about some of those free agent moves.

Speaker 11 (28:49):
Some of those guys are more on the veterans side.

Speaker 10 (28:51):
They could maybe use some that firepower bring in a
different kind of juice. But also I think it's interesting, James.
I don't know if we talked about this.

Speaker 11 (28:58):
During the game yesterday, but it seemed like they completely
abandoned the run.

Speaker 10 (29:02):
Now, I'm not gonna question Todd Munkin because he gets
paid way.

Speaker 11 (29:05):
More than I do and knows way more about this
game than I do.

Speaker 10 (29:08):
But I found it so interesting that the number one
rush offense really didn't run the ball. So I'm wondering
if maybe they need to add some more juice to
that position. Obviously, Gus Edwards is their workhorse. Justice Hill
has done a really good job in that spot. But
you know, once they lost JK. Dobbins, which you know,
how can we forget that he was a key piece
at he Tore's you know Achilles Earlier this season they

(29:30):
kind of filtered in Melvin Gordon there, they brought in
Delvin Cook. So I'm wondering if maybe that is the
position group besides wide receiver that they could try to
maybe bring some oomph to this offense and get Lamar
a little bit more help too.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, I think I got to watch what happened yesterday
in a couple of times this year too, especially with injuries.
They have to address their offensive line as well, because
the Kansas City Chiefs bold lines of scrimmage yesterday.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
That was the key to this game.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
The Ravens had not been handled up front like they
were handled by the Chiefs offensive line. Again, with some
of the injuries in the age, as you mentioned, JP,
that's where we could see some change as well. Sherry,
great job, well done. We will see you in Las
Vegas for the.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Super Bowl coming up next.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Bill Belichick, it doesn't look like he's gonna get a
job this year.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
What maybe not next year?

Speaker 6 (30:19):
Is he done?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Our Mark Ross is going to talk about Belichick and
a whole lot more.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Beyond these conference championship games. We come back on the
NFL Report.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
We are back at the NFL Report, and look at this,
Patrick Mahomes six years as a starter, four trips to
the Super Bowl. I think you can say that's great.
I think Antony Chiefs they found their franchise quarterback. You
know what, we found our franchise knowledge guy. Right here
in this segment we have Mark Ross joining us. James

(30:58):
Palmer and Mark we talked about it. This right here
is going to be a Tomahawk steak segment because we
have a lot of food on this platter. But first
of before we get going, just just your thoughts on
the Super Bowl matchup.

Speaker 12 (31:09):
Well, this is going to be fascinating and so much fun.
Of course, the rematch of a few years ago, and
with Mahomes back, Hey, look, how was the greatest quarterback
of all time? And underdog yesterday and going into it
and despite all odds, just give me anybody to play with,
just like Brady used to it.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
I'll find a way to get there.

Speaker 12 (31:27):
Of course, Andy Reid's importance and my man Steve Spagnola,
the decordinator doing it once again. I'm sure we'll talk
about him a little bit later. And then on the
other side, the forty nine ers, we know the ups
and downs that they've had in the doubt in the
middle of the season, rock Party, can he do it
or can he not do it? Stepping up with huge
plays yesterday showing that Yeah, I'm a playmaker too, I

(31:49):
got this. So it's going to be a lot of
fun once again to match with great coaching, great talent,
great players, a lot of storylines. Of course, we're not
even talking about Taylor and that situation, so it's going
to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Guys. Yeah, I've had two jobs this postseason. Mark.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's been covering of the NFL following the Chiefs, and
two like can I get a shot of Taylor Swift
for everybody that needs one via social media?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I've been pretty successful. I'm not gonna lie for a
few of these games.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
We will get as Mark ts to these two teams
more in depth, Chiefs and Niners. But let's talk about
whose seasons just came to a close on Sunday, first,
Mark and how they move on moving forward. We know
Ben Johnson is a hot hot name, and obviously the
connection to DC and the Commanders is one that we're
all kind of following. If he does depart Detroit, how

(32:39):
does a team And we just saw this with Philadelphia
and the massive step that they took back after losing
both of their coordinators. What do you have to I
guess what boxes do you have to check if you
lose a coordinator that's as important as Ben Johnson is
to the Lions to make sure that doesn't happen to
your organization. What do the Lions need to do to

(33:00):
make sure they keep moving forward if they lose Ben Johnson?

Speaker 12 (33:04):
Yeah, look, everyone assumes, look, you just keep it rolling.
But as soon as your team is done their season,
it's a different team. And you mentioned the Eagles, but
any team, even when you win the Super Bowl, you
know it's a different team that next year. And for
the Lions, for Ben Johnson, I mean, is this guy
the best coordinator in the league? So to say, well,
let's just find another guy. We've got this young talent

(33:26):
keep it rolling.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
That's not easy. You know, that's hard, and I'll like
in it too.

Speaker 12 (33:31):
When we had Steve Spagnolo, since we're going to talk
about him, with the Giants and we won the Super Bowl,
you know seven, masterful job by Spags. We were able
to keep him another year, and then he left to
become the Rams, you know, head coach there, and it's like, well,
let's just fill in another guy. Well, no, there's only
one Steve Spagnolo. The importance of a great coordinator cannot

(33:51):
be undersold and underestimated. So the Lions, someone's number one,
find a capable coordinator. Of course they won't be Ben
Johnson because he's one of the but all, okay, all
this young talent that we have, they have to take
a step.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
They have to get better. You know, Brad.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
Holmes the gym, we got to get more talent in
here to help overcome that as well. Jared Goff, is
he going to be better next year? And then Dan
Campbell the head coach, He's got to get better as well.
So it's everyone really has to step up and overcome
and get better in the absence of Ben Johnson because
what he did there is special and deservedly so he's
going to get ahead job somewhere else because of how

(34:27):
special he was. But it's going to take an entire
organizational effort to get back to where they were or better,
or they may not be as good or prolific next
year as they were this year.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I'm so glad you said that, Mark, because you talked
to defensive coaches in this league and they will tell
you Ben Johnson is different.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
He is different with what he does.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well, let's talk about another coordinator, and that's McDaniel there
at Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
He could be gone, but I'm McDonald. I'm sorry, but I.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
Want to get more.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I wanted more about this with the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
They changed their offense, they played at such a high level,
and they still.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Didn't break through. Mark. I mean what they need to
do moving forward to get over the home?

Speaker 12 (35:04):
Yeah, right, to be the man, you got to beat
the man, and I think everyone in Baltimore knew that,
and then they just couldn't do it.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Just like last week we were talking about Josh Allen
and the Bills. They couldn't do it.

Speaker 12 (35:14):
The Ravens had everything going for them, crushing teams with
playoff teams all season long. Last week, okay, let's just
you crush the young up and coming Texans. We're ready,
We're at home. Lamar's flying high and of course there's
a lot of reasons why they lost that game yesterday
and moving forward, you know, I think a lot of

(35:35):
the things that went right for them during the year
didn't come through. Let's just talk about we talked about
Lamar's receiving cor our gear, Well, yesterday didn't step up.
The young rookies A Flowers who've been so dynamic make
some dynamic plays, and then he had some you know,
ill advised things that he did yesterday. Odell didn't step up,
where was Bateman? Likely didn't make any big plays. Mark

(35:56):
Andrews will give him a little pass coming off the injury,
you know, Nelson Ageler drops another pass as usual. So
I think all of that infrastructure for Lamar let him
down and he didn't play well. No, that's the number
one thing. He's got to get better. As he's going
to win the MVP this year. He was amazing, He's outstanding.
But here we are again talking about can Lamar get

(36:16):
it done in the playoffs, And that's the number one
thing fellas that has to get done. Lamar's got to
play better. I'm sure he'll watch the tape and he'll
admittedly say, yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
I got to do it too.

Speaker 12 (36:25):
And I'm sure he's keat off right now about how
he played. That's the number one thing for me. Until
Lamar does it, we're going to keep talking about Lamar
can't do it, and he's just really got to go
out there and do it.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I love that you put it that way, Mark, because
being on the sideline pregame and talking to coaches on
both sides, between the Ravens and the Chiefs, that was
one of the most talked about topics before that game
kicked off with both sides. It was the chief saying,
we're hoping Lamar tries to do too much, he turns
the ball over maybe a couple of times. We're banking on.
We've been there a bunch with our quarterback. Lamar hasn't

(37:01):
done it yet. That was also the Ravens concern that
Lamar might try to do too much early, might try
to do too much and end up making a mistake
or two, and that's the hump you have to get
over in the postseason. The Chiefs have been there year
in and year out, and I think that's why you
see sometimes fewer mistakes by teams that get there repeatedly,
and that brings me to Steve Spagnola in his defense,

(37:23):
their ability to go out there and create turnovers, which
is something actually they didn't do really much here in
the regular season, even though they were a brilliant defense,
but they created some turnovers and they played discipline against
a dynamic quarterback. And it's a lot because of their
defensive coordinator you brought you brought up in Steve Spagnola.
You were with him not only in New York but

(37:43):
also in Philadelphia. How has he grown as a defensive
coordinator in what you see him do now compared to
your time with him in the past.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
I mean, Spags is just incredible. You talk about the
mistakes and teams that they stepped up to the moment.
The chief stepped up to the moment when they needed to.
The forty nine ers stepped up to the moment when
they needed to. The Ravens did not mistake out their mistake,
the Lions did not mistake got their mistake. And that's
the difference between championship teams and our two Super Bowl runs.
We stepped up to the moment, well we needed to.

(38:13):
Was it pretty all the time?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
No?

Speaker 6 (38:15):
You get some lucky bounces here and there, yes, But
you have to step up to the moment.

Speaker 12 (38:19):
And with Spags, Yes, way back in the day, back
in ninety nine, two thousand, Andy Reids first staff, he
was our linebacker coach. We had Leslie Fraser, round Rebet,
we had all kinds of guys there. But then in
New York of course the mastermind of the defense there
and Spags just really number one. His connection to players
and staff is incredible. I mean just the personality that

(38:40):
he has, the belief that those guys have in him,
the way he can connect besides the x's and those
that goes a long way with players. When a player
steps in a room or on the side, like he's
going to call up the right stuff for us, and
we believe in this guy, and he believes in us,
we're going to get it done. He always kind of
just had that special gravitas about him and still does.
You can kind of see it with him and then

(39:02):
just dialing it up. You're talking about stepping up to
the moment. He just dials up the right stuff in
the right moment. And all decordinators we're talking about Ben
Johnson the offensive side aren't made the same. All coordinators
aren't the same. You get in pressure packed situations, are
you going to panic or are you going to come
through and do the right things? Just like players do,
coordinators the same things, and Spags just really has just

(39:24):
an innate feel for dialing up the right stuff at
the right time and knowing how to put his players
in position to make plays at the right time. He
did it with us in New York. He's done it
now with KC. And it's really just I mean, can
we have a Hall of Fame for a coordinator?

Speaker 1 (39:39):
You know?

Speaker 12 (39:40):
And I mean this is incredible the runs he gets
on and the way he's just able to take his
game to another level in these pressure packed situations.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Super quick, mark because I want to get to Belichick.
But how come Spags doesn't even get head coaching interviews?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Man?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Oh, you know how it is that?

Speaker 6 (39:58):
You know how it is Davids on.

Speaker 12 (40:00):
To the next the new, the hot, the young up
and coming up a coordinators. That's kind of what the
trend is out of the NFL. And of course what
he's done, he should get another shot at it. He's
been a head coach, he's learned from that. That was
a big thing when he came back to New York
with us where he said he learned so much more
when he was a head coach. Of course it didn't
end the way he wanted to with the Rams, but
he came out of that a better coach for that experience.

(40:24):
And you see that right now. But yeah, he definitely
deserves it. But you know how the nature of the
NFL is in the hiring cycle, it's here, let's just
go go this route. Here a young offensive mine and
so you know he does earn it. He does deserve it.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Them, Yeah, he does. And I know he wants another crack.
We'll see if he gets another one.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
But I know he's happy doing what he's doing in
the success Thor Avenue, Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
How about Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It looks right now like we're going to have a
year without Bill Belichick in twenty twenty four. So Mark,
is this the end for Bill Belichick? Or is this
just a one year vacancy?

Speaker 12 (41:00):
You know, guys, I think this is probably it. If
this wasn't he didn't get it now, there's no need,
no reason to think next year another year removed from
the game. I think a lot of the negativity or
the reasons why it's like, Okay, he's not the young
up and comer, the way he does conducts business and
runs his organization, runs his program. A lot of owners

(41:23):
just aren't looking for that style anymore. And despite of
course the rings and the accolades, it's okay, they're talking
about he doesn't have Tom Brady anymore. He didn't do
it without Tom Brady, and they're talking about that as well.
So I think right now would have been the really
only one teams and it wasn't even a lot of
teams brought him into interview. They didn't even bother with him.

(41:46):
So the outside looking in it was we don't even
want to deal with this. And then also, well, if
you're hiring Bill Belichick, is he bringing in all his guys,
and whoever hires him, you're getting rid of them in
the building.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
I don't want to bring that guy in coming in
and bring everybody to take my bad job.

Speaker 12 (42:00):
So a lot of that got taken into account when
they talked to Belichick. So you can never take away
what the man has done. But that was in and
moving forward. Teams looking for that aggressive, forward looking program
and not the old school approach.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah to the greatest, who ever did it didn't get
additional opportunities. I'm talking about Don Shule and Tom Landry.
So you know that that's part of real quick because
you only have about a minute and a half left.
It's not just Belichick. Mike Vrabel, who we all know
is a damn good coach.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
As well. He is not seventy. He could be on
the sidelines as well.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I mean, there's a look, there's a lot of good
coaches who aren't getting in there. But Mike Vrabel's track
record kind of speaks for itself. How surprising is it.
The teams weren't as sweet on him as we thought
maybe they should be.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
Yeah, I thought they would be.

Speaker 12 (42:46):
As you mentioned, a younger guy and what he'd over
overachieved a lot for most of the time there with
it And if you were looking for okay, well we
want to established coach who's show him the way to win.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Let's let's get him in here.

Speaker 12 (42:59):
But again, and it's all about trying to find your
own and not trying to rely on well recycled guys.
And you know, for hit for Vrable, teams are kind
of looking at well, we needed the offense again that
that trend of the offensive. Young offensive coaches are still
sort of playing out, and especially with those teams who
either are about that draft of QB or you know,

(43:21):
picking up high. There's a couple of those cakencies. There
are still Washington here you are and h Or trying
to develop a young guy that you have and unfortunately
that that he just didn't fit into that box. But
obviously he has been a successful head coach. But look,
ownership goes a certain route and that's just been a
copycat trend with the NFL hiring cycle.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Mark Ross, not leaving anything on the bone of that
Tomahawk stake segment.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Well done, man, we got with it.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
We got the sides coup. We just hate the steak.

Speaker 12 (43:49):
Now, where's the mass.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Take a fully load of baked potato.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Please save a little one for Thursday. You know, we
maybe maybe got to bring you back then. If not,
come back next week, you guys. We've got the Senior
Bowl coming up and a couple of these All Star
games as well.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
All right, great stuff, Mark Ross.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well you heard that Mike Vrabel wasn't the up and
coming offensive guy.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Well neither's this guy. He's an up andcoming defensive guy.
Rahiem Morris gets the job.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
He's a everywhere guy Atlanta.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
He's that dude.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
We're gonna talk about him and more on the NFL Report.
And it's also a podcast.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
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Speaker 1 (44:57):
Welcome back to the NFL Report. As we close things out,
James Palmer, Steve Whitch with you.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
We have two Steve openings left in the NFL and
they should be filled rather quickly. They could be filled
while we're talking about this right now, but we don't
think on a Monday it's getting filled. But the Washington
Commanders and the Seattle Seahawks, let's start with Washington. What's
your take on what we're going to be seeing in
Washington now that Adam Peters is in place, and it's

(45:22):
essentially from my understanding, kind of his call.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, you know, Adam Peters, you know is there. We've
got Bob Myers also coming in. There's been talk for
weeks that Ben Johnson, of the offensive coordinator for the
Detroit Lions, who is now available to interview in person,
is the favorite there and he will be interviewing with
the commanders. But look, there's a team that needs a quarterback.
But everyone has seen what he's done in the past

(45:45):
two years in Detroit.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
He is a leader. You hear everyone speak highly of him.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Defensive coordinators talk about how much of a nightmare is
playing against him. But is he the guy to start
with a team that he's a new quarterback because we
know Washington has talent there. But this is a frame
and transition, so maybe he's the guy. But we'll also
see Mike McDonald, the defensive coordinator for the Ravens, someone
who's nearby, someone who a lot of folks at this
organization have seen up closing center. He's in the mix

(46:12):
as well. But JP, it looks like those two in Washington,
and as you said, both of them are available to
interview in person by virtue of losing in their conference
championship games.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
And I like you brought up Mike McDonald because that's
an organization that the commanders have spent a lot of
time looking at in terms of how we want to
build this new look, in terms of culture, in terms
of how we draft, in terms of how we go
through the entire process. So obviously talking to Mike is
a big part of this, but also what they want
to establish.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
You mentioned the quarterback spot.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Remember they picked second overall in this draft coming up,
and that's a big, big, probably talking point with anybody
they interview in terms of what's your plan at the
quarterback spot? A completely different situation all the way across
the country. Steve in Seattle, what's your make of what's
going on there, because, as I mentioned, that is a

(47:01):
completely different setup and circumstance compared to Washington.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Yeah, p Carroll's moved upstairs. We don't know if it's again.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
An advisor role, much like Bruce arians has in Tampa.
Are much more heavy handed, like we saw Tom Kaughlin
do when he went to Jacksonville. But it looks like
it's between Dan quinn and Mike McDonald. Looks like they're
going to go with the defensive guy. Again, that's the
nature of the leadership of this organization, which didn't change.
So we'll see, probably by the end of the week
if it's Quinn the Cowboys defensive coordinator going back to

(47:29):
where he made a lot of good memories as a
DC in Seattle, or McDonald JP. I also want to
get to what's happened in Atlanta. Raheem Morris gets the
job early on. I am told from this one some
very close people. It was Bill Belichick's job. Arthur Blank
wanted him, other people in the building really liked him.
But then the more they got through this process and
interviewed candidates, Raheem Morris, the defensive coordinator for the Rams,

(47:52):
who had coached there before as a wide receivers coach
and as a secondary coach, and who had remained and
retained great relationships in that building, he gets the job. Like,
what are your thoughts about this? Because a lot of
people like, oh, he's already had a head coaching job.
Why are we going with a defensive coach when we
have a good defense and we need a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I love this, Steve, I actually I love this.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
We've talked culture at the start of this segment and
what you want to build throughout your entire organization. I
think Raheem builds that in his ability that he's coached
on both sides of the ball. I think him makes
him a unique candidate. And also everything he learned and
from my understanding, how open he was with the staffs
that he was a part of in between these head
coaching opportunities, about what.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
He learned the first time around and.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
What he would do differently, I think really held a
lot of water for a lot of people in Atlanta.
I'm fascinated that nobody wants to rent Bill Belichick for
a couple of years. I know, we won't be your
coach for ten years, but the Tampa Bay Bucks rented
Tom Brady and they got a Super Bowl out of it.
Nobody really wants to do that, I guess with Bill Belichick.
Quickly Philadelphia two new coordinators Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
What's your thoughts real quick?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, Look, Vic FANGIOE it was not working in Miami.
You heard people talking about the relationship just wasn't really
great with a lot of people. So him going to Philadelphia,
he can fix that team. There's talent, but they've got
to add significant depth, especially at the position he thrives on,
and that's at the safety spots.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I've got to add some talent right there.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I think Kellen Moore going to the offense very intrigued
by this one because he has not coached a mobile
quarterback and Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert like he's gonna
have in Jalen Hurt.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
So it's gonna be interesting to see if he can
get that passing game and.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Everything else going on Mondays and Thursday, JP, you can
catch the NFL Report.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
It is also a podcast.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Were available on Roku too, be Pluto, Peacock, anywhere you
get your free streaming apps.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
ME and JP here on the NFL repoard
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