On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper sit down with former Pro Bowl receiver DeSean Jackson to talk about life after football and his transition from elite playmaker to head coach at Delaware St. University. DeSean opens up about his unorthodox coaching style, the moment he realized coaching was his next calling, and the challenges of building confidence in his first year leading a program. He also discusses battling for accolades amongst receivers like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, A.J. Green and others. Plus, we hear where DeSean compares to Jerry Rice in NFL history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Knowing how emotional you were as a player.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's the chuckle for? What's the chuckle for?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Because he's right, I'm the same way with coaching though,
I'm wait for the question.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That's exactly where I was going with it, because you
can't be emotional like that as a coach, Like you
got to kind of be able to just take the
v's in the flows.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Man, I'm still high headed. I'm very emotional. It gets heated.
It gets if I if I see a play call
or something get called crazy, Like at the end of day,
I'm like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Like why are we calling? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So that part of it is it's kind of hard
to take myself out of because I know football, you
know what I'm saying. It's like being the head coach. Man,
it's so it's so many variables, there's so many hats
you have to wear. Yeah, and uh, you know, so
I won't say overwhelming, but it is a lot, you
know what I'm saying. So you just got to be
in control at all given times, and you gotta let
your play calls, you know, they got to make the calls.
But at the end of the day, it's gonna come
(00:53):
with mistakes, and I feel like being the head coach,
you're not really looking at it as like the ins
and outs of you know what goes in too, imagine
a whole game.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Because you got it. It's chest like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Everybody on Peanut Tillman And this is the NFL Player's
Second Acts podcast and with me as always as my
trustee co host, Roman Grandpaul Harper.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I thought you was gonna say camouflage, but thank you.
Really excited for our next guest. I'll consider friend West
Coast's finest and can't wait to pick this guy's brain
because I'm just I just did not see him doing
exactly what he's doing. Right me, Let's let's jump right
into it. Go ahead, all right?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, he was one of the fastest receivers to ever
play the game while he played. During his fifteen year career,
he accumulated over eleven thousand yards All Pro Pro bowler.
Now he's the head coach at Delaware stated.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the pod. Missed did
Seawan Jackson.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
A little? Appreciate you all for having me doing many.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm good baby West Coast Finance. Right here, how are
you feeling? Dog?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And I'm blessed man, you know, kind of stepping out
the element a little bit coming to coach in.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
The Pro Bowl. So it was a you know, honor Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Rice was obviously the head coach and reached out and
is like, you know, I want, you know, the Shawn
to be my officer coordinator.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So came out obvious.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
See that when we was playing, you know, Pro Bowl
was a lot different nowadays, you know, the seven or
seven and just kind of just here man, being around
all the players.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Man, it's a good. It's good to be a coach,
but a player as well too.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Right, because I was going to say, you approached this
as yourself for sure. You know you're gonna address how
you're going to dress. You are who you are. You've
never changed you are. You are the same guy and
so very ai ish. Yeah, I mean I love it though.
He's the way. I mean, that's where you're from. Yeah, yeah,
(02:58):
how do you do it? Like even right now being
around the young guys now, the Pro bowlers that are here,
you know, they know Deshaun Jackson, but you still dress
like a player. But you're the coach.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, I mean just really being authentic, always being author
to who I was, you know, kind of not fitting
in standing out, if that makes sense. But I mean
for me, it's it's crazy because you know, a coaching
that I always say a college coach, college head coach.
You know that the referee used to come out to
try to find the head coach and they looking for
a head coach, and it's like, man, they walk right
by me and they was like, man, he looked like
(03:29):
a player, you know, kind of talking about what you're
talking about. But really that's just what made me me.
You know, I gotta a quote or somebody kind of
telling me. It's like, man, don't become a head coach
and change who you were, Like you got this job
because who you are, you know what I'm saying. So
that kind of it put things in perspective, like, you
know what, let me just obviously you always want to
be professionally, you want to you know, mature and level
with but you know, just kind of just standing authentic.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
But that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
How do players receive your style of do you just
kind of just you know, this me is who I am.
I'm pretty sure a lot of guys haven't had a coach.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like you for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I think for the players respect of it, it's
I think it's a gifferent, a curse to be honest,
because like, you know, you have that freedom and then
you know you want them to kind of be friendly,
but then at the same time you want them to
respecting you the authority as well too, because I am
the head coach. So you know, for me, like some
of my coach would be like, man, you're getting too
cool with them, Like you know, at the end of
the day, you're still.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
A head coach.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So you know, I got to kind of navigate through
that because at the end of the day, like, yeah,
I'm gonna be personal, yeah, and be friendly, but when
it's time to work and it's time to respect you know,
the elder, then that's what it got to be.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So you just got to you know, kind.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Of I'll be interesting to see your confidence in that
confidence and like, no, I'm like truly owning it. I
got it, sure, because you know we think we got
it right. But you you know, the conference between your
rookie year and your fourth year completely different player first,
So like at what point did this season did it
maybe happen like, oh okay, I got a little bit
confident after that moment. What was that for you? Or
(04:53):
has that moment happened?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah? I mean early on.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Man, like to be like, I coached this my second year,
my first year, like I was in high school, so
it was that I think twenty twenty three, yep, drove
Before that year. I was at Wilson right and my
big bro was the head coach for like the past
twenty twenty five years, so you.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Know, I kind of saw them for far.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You know, my first year after I retired playing fifteen years,
I was like, I owe this to myself.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm gonna not do nothing. You know. I woke up
at two in the afternoon, you know, chill there.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You know what it is you did that you feel me?
I did?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I feel like, man, after all those years, I'm like,
I owe that to myself. So after that first year
and I was like itching, I was like, man, I
got to figure out what my next thing is.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I got into the media, had podcasts. I was doing
some broadcasting things as well too, and then kind of
not nothing really stuck. So I was like, man, let me,
just go coach. So I went to go coach, and
I kind of fell in love with him. Man, And
after our first year, we took a school that hasn't
went to the championship over a hundred years, and our
first year we took them to the championship. And then
snapping finger was like around December, like really this time
last year, I got a call like, Man, would you
(05:52):
want to coach college football. I'm like, there's no way
because I knew how much time, Like that's why I
coached high school.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm like, I can have my time, my.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Freedom high school. I mean college didn't. So I'm like
they spend too much time being a coach. So I
was like I wasn't really with that, and then you know,
kind of just fell on my lap man. Honestly, damn yeah.
But to kind of answer your kind of I kind
of ran but no, your question. It really the first
game of the year last year when we played University
of Delaware, Man, it was like leading up to it
because I was so anxious and like excited to see
(06:20):
like what my players was going to do. I'm like,
you know, I felt so confident about our team. And
then to answer your question, like that point where it's
like I could do this was that first game because
I'm like, you know, going into it be a head coach,
I don't know if we're gonna go out there and
get smacked.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I don't know we're gonna get our butt, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I saw my team like really respond to me,
and I'm like, man, I could do this. So it's
like it just was a confidence builder where like, man,
you know, at the end of the day, man like
this coach and stuff is fun.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's kind of I feel like it's for me.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Are you making the call on fourth and one? Like
like for sure? You know what I mean, Like for sure,
because these are the things as a head coach, Yeah,
that you're responsible for ultimately.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So when you say, am I making the call? Now?
If is it the player or is it to go for.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It, I'm gonna say the play. Are you a play caller?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm not the play caller right now, but I have
a lot of input into you know, the offense more
of the past game, the run game. I never really
I ain't gonna say I don't know it, but I
never really got into the ends and out, so like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Knowing the run game, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So yeah, to answer that question, I mean, like the
first year though, I wasn't really calling exact plays, but like,
if we're gonna go for ye I'm gonna give you
the confidence, like I'm the head coach, and you know
on second down, you know you got two downs left,
because as officer of play caller, it's better to know, like,
all right, do I got one down left for do?
I got to like, it's my head coach, gonna let
me go for the four for one. So that was
(07:38):
kind of like more strategic. But we was like we
was like sixty percent on fourth down, like I was,
I was risky.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I went for it a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
What's one of the biggest lessons you've learned being a.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Rookie head coach?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean I think like what was that welcome to
the NFL moment? Was that welcome to college football? I'm
the guy it all falls with me, or starts and
ends with me.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think just managing like clock management, I mean clock management,
So just really knowing the ins and outs of like
you know, when the call of time out, you know
when to put your team in the scenario situation where
it's gonna benefit us with wins and losses. And you know,
last year I felt like, you know, I leaned on
one of my older coaches. It was like, you know,
the thirty year you know coach, I mean a VET.
(08:24):
And there was sometimes where it's like a clock management
situation where like you know, in the first half, like
don't don't burn all your time outs within the first quarter.
Like you know, it was a few times where I
had to call some timeouts when I was pissed off
at more offensive courting because like, man, we're getting out
the hood. It was ten five seconds left and I
blow on time out. So it's just really managing the game.
And I think as a head coach, you know something
(08:44):
that I felt like to be successful, I got to
put people around me to help me be successful. You know,
it's not all about just you know, me being this
NFL VET that played all these years, Like no, I
got to have people around me that's been coaching, it
knows the ends and outs, and then it kind of
helped me be more.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Successful knowing how emotional you were as a player, for sure,
what's the chuckle for? What's the chuckle for?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Because he's right I'm the same way with coaching, though,
I wait for the question.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's exactly where I was going with it, all right,
knowing that about you for sure, how do you take
that in because you can't be emotional like that as
a coach, Like you got to kind of be able
to just take the ebbs and the flows. Yeah, when
you see the touchdown, you can't just be ah, how
is that going for you? What have you learned about
yourself in that period of time where now you're you
(09:34):
are the head guys?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Well man, I'm still high headed. I'm very emotional and
on those heads, on those head sets, I dig deep
in the pause on my coaches, you know. But it
gets heated. It gets if I if I see a
play call or something get called crazy, Like at the
end day, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What are we doing? Like why are we called? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So that part of it is it's kind of hard
to take myself out of because I no football, you
know what I'm saying. It's like like you see something
going on you watching football, you at home, and you
see something you're like, man, while you in cover two
on the fireyard line, it was a play last year
where you know, my defensive cord called cover too and
there was nobody over the slot receiver and we uncovered
too at the fireyard and he scored.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But before that, I'm like, I'm seeing the car.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I couldn't I couldn't get to a time out or nothing,
but I just see it and I'm like, man, that's
things we cannot do. So just being you got, like
I said, at the end of the day, being the
head coach, man, it's so it's so many variables. There's
so many hats you have to wear. Yeah, and uh,
you know, so I won't say overwhelming, but it is
a lot, you know what I'm saying. So you just
got to be in control at all given times and
you gotta let your play calls. You know, they got
(10:41):
to make their calls. But at the end of the day,
it's gonna come with mistakes. And I feel like being
the head coach, you're not really looking at it as
like the ins and outs of you know what goes
into imagine a whole game, because you gotta it's chest
like you gotta go versus the other defensive coording at
the offense court depends beside you on. So in times
I'm seeing stuff go on and I try to interject,
but I'm like, damn, I'm not calling play and play
out every game, I mean every you know play.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So it's like it's a little different. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
So after the season, we all do the exit interviews, right, great,
this was off season with this next year, blah blah
blah blah, exactly, having played a season or been a
head coach, having done that your first year, how do
you grade yourself?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And I think I did a pretty good job, man, honestly,
And you know, I'm not grading myself off based off
of what I feel, what I say, I'm going off of,
you know, intake from you know, other coaches around me
that's been doing it a long time. And uh, you know,
they they gave me my flowers. You know, I don't
think a lot of people really, like y'all said when
we first sat down, y'all didn't see me in this role.
A lot of people didn't see me in this row.
And like I honestly didn't see myself in this role either.
(11:45):
But even before I took this job, you know, I
reached out to like, you know, Dion, Andy Reid, Sean McVay,
you know, people that I already respected at a high level.
Was just like on some curiosity, like, man, what do
y'all think before I take this job and make a
fool out myself?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like what do y'all think about me being the here coach?
Man a lot?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know, I got nothing but great feedback. So that's
it kind of gave me confidence in taking this role,
like I could do it. So, you know, just going back,
I mean, no one's perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know, we all human.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We're gonna make mistakes, but just really correcting the mistakes
getting better. But you know, my first year, like I say,
I mean, I turned the program that was two and
twenty two in the past two years.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
In the first year we went eight and four and
lost in the championship game.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So you know, we put them to triple the wins,
and you know, we we continuously building, you know, and
I feel like I did I did a lot with
the less resource I did. I did more with less,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, being at
the HBCU, you know, we don't have the funding that
of Georgia or Flora, you know what I'm saying, the
big schools have, you know, So I got to this
nil space. It's money of all these players are getting
all this money, you know, and some of these guys
(12:41):
are leaving big time programs to come, you know, because
they believe in to what we appreciate.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Shout out Delaware State eight and four. They only won
two games that the previous.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Two years for that for real. Both years.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, you guys went to me ACT Championships, Sir, you
lost to Carolina State Man School.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'm hot about that. You're going to keep going.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's all good. They eventually went on to win the
Celebration Bowl, you know what I mean, So shout out
to me ACT winning it. They which Alabama State should
have been in, but they lost.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The review for every one, so sir, and it's.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Our whole rundown of all the HBCU business going on
right now. So I just want to let you all
know that. Also, Delaware State first Division one women's wrestling tournament,
you guys hosted that, So shout out to Delaware State
being the first HBCU to do that as well. So
you guys are doing big things.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's a lot of positive things going.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And that was another reason why, Like when I first
went there, man, I could just feel that they really
wanted to win, Like you could tell, like you know
when you go somewhere and it's just like it's like
an open air, open hole, and it's just like, man,
they really feel like like, man, this is our time
and you know, bringing me in, bringing other individuals in
over there.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Man, they was invested to want to win.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So you know, I tipped my head off to Tony Isllen,
Tony Tucker, the guys that kind of to make this
just happen.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Can you name the only player from l Long Beach
probably who's played more seasons than you in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Marchetes Lewis twenty years, he's still going.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, craz who had more Pro Bowls out of all
the cats that came.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Out of Willia McGinnis.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
That's a good guess.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
That's a good guess.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But no, put more Pro Bos out of Long Beach.
Probably I didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Will Willie came from Long Beach probably too. Party damn Wolves,
Drell Casey defensive.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, what do you got four or five?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Five? Far crazy? I didn't know that either.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I honestly thought you had more than three.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, I mean I tell people all the time,
you shout that era I was in though, Man, I
have some dudes.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I was up against the absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Calvin Johnson's Larry for gerald A. J. Green Antony, you.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Know it was.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And I feel like I never really had a stint
where I had a quarterback play with me for more
than like, you know, my longest stint with the quarterbacks
like two years throughout my whole career. So like some
of them guys like being you know, they even Julio Jones,
you know, they was playing with the guys for like
seven eight years. Vaculum statistic, you know what I'm saying.
So nothing against it back then day. You know, hey,
(15:09):
I turned glitter into gold.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But people don't.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I don't think people realize that about the receiver quarterback combo.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, like it plays.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It plays a huge role into you and you you
and the receiver of you in the quarterback that relationship.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, you have the most I think you have the
most sixty yard plays in NFL history. Sure your second
and fifty yard plays, which is crazy to me. Who's
number one?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Jared Riss?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, nobody looks at Jerry Rice as that guy there.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know they said that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, if you was to say who was the
best deep there all the time? Who would you probably
say Randy Morris? Yeah, you know what I mean, So
like that's honesty. And then so you talk about deep
that then jay Rice got the fifty yards so it's
like crazy I kind of put him in that conversation too,
But like you said, you're not gonna really think. But
I mean he was catching slants and taking at the
distance too though, So you know that was.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That was then?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What was the most gratifying part of your eight and
four season this year? Like? What game, what situation? What
was it? Now that you look back on it and
we can kind of digest that you digested it already.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
My I think going to going back to when we
first started conference play, because I think we we went
like four and three or something in non conference play.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think it was far into it was something right,
and we got into conference play and conference player was
a lot tougher because these these schools been used to
beating up on us. We was like the little brothers
for all these years. So we get into conference play
in our first game was versus North Carolina Central at
in North Carolina and dorm North Carolina and we haven't
won there since like nineteen, like I want to say
(16:44):
seventy or thirty.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It was like a long time. It was like with
thirty years.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And we went in there on their homecoming date and
we they WoT you off for homecoming. They booked us
for homecoming, so you know, we felt a way about that.
They booked us for homecoming. So I'm like, well, they
think it's sweet. And you know, at this time, we think,
you know, we was think we was over five hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We was plus five hundred.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
So we came into that game and it was it
was a tough battle, but we went in there. The atmosphere,
for sure, for a Black Cotche HBC is second to nothing,
Like I've never experienced it, Like you know, you get
what I'm saying. For me going to Cow and just
not really experiencing that, I was like, man, this is
I probably wouldn't even made it the league. I ain't
gonna lie. If I would have went to Black Couche,
(17:22):
probably wouldn't have made it. So kudos to you, but
y'all just think going in there, man, going in their back,
we said, good, walk in your trap and take over
your trap.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That was our model.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And it was just something about us going in there man,
with with our backs against the one nobody really believe
in us. Like throughout the whole meet, I think we
was like underdogs until probably like the second or third
or the last second to third last games.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But yeah, man, it was.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It was a huge thing, man, just to see them
young boys man really take gratitude and take ownership into
like every game. Basically people feeling like we was the underdogs. Man,
we came out and you know, we prevailed.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And we'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
We asked a lot of our guests that come on
the show, Mount Rushmore, you are who you are because
the community, the people, the people that have helped you.
If you could put four people on your personal Mount Rushmore,
who would those four people be.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like people to kind of help me get to one mat?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, on the field, off the field coaching parent?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Who is I wish I wish I could say more
than for it, but alas I would go for it,
But uh, I would say for sure, my mother, you know,
my my background, my backbone, Uh, my dad, uh my sister.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Why are your pops?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Man? Pops? Was he was a rolling stone man? He was?
Was was she knew what he wanted.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Obviously, he wasn't able to really play growing up because
he lived in Pittsburgh and his pops made him work
in the steel mill, so you know, he had he
was like, man, I'm having kids, and somebody gonna make
it to lead. Obviously, my older brother made it in
ninety two. He played for the cah She's, but he
was like a practice spar player. He never really like
had like a long cris So I used to always
use that as motivation.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So it's like my dad just knew that. He's like
I'm gonna have like.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I was gonna be that guy, and yeah, that's kind
of how it happened my sister. And then I think
my last one, I'll probably just say my truck coach man,
you know, just with the speed, you know, because I'm
a speed guy and I was able to maintain my speed.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Majority I feel like all my career.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I would have loved to work that with your pops
as a kid.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Some of those VideA for sure, Like I told you, man,
he knew what he wanted, and it was hard because
like I didn't understand what he was on. Like I'm like, man,
this dude crazy like he forced me to work out
and like tripping on me if I ain't want to,
or like hanging out with homie. It was just like
a lot of stuff. He was just like, nah, that's
that's not your that's not your path. Like I got
you making it to the least, So you got to
do things how I want you to do it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And what point in time did you Cause I'm doing
struggles with my son right now, at what point in
time did it sink in for you to be like, nah,
this is what I want to do. Was you were
you like fifteen sixteen, like the working out? At what
point did your dad stop making you go kind of
pushing you and you kind of took over. It's like no, Dad,
let's go to the gym, let's go run, let's go
(19:59):
do this.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean, I know what I wanted to do early. Yeah,
but I still fought the work side of it. Just
because I was talented, a lot of things came easy
to me. So I ain't gonna say I didn't want
to work out, but the way he wanted me to
work out, I felt like I didn't probably need to
work out the way he wanted me to work out,
So I would probably say like towards like my junior
senior year, like right before college.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Like I was like, all right, I give what you on.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Not like because I was like player of the year,
California player of the year in twenty twenty. Dang two
thousand and five, I M say twenty yeah, two thousand
and five. I was a player of the year for
LA I mean for California. So I was like, I
start seeing like, all right, all the work he got
me doing and starting to payoff.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I was like, let me stop the resistance side
of it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, So you.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Probably got a year or two before that. You said
he's sixteen, Yeah, he's sixteen.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Trying to get him just like, dude, what did he
just always trying to kick it with the hobie. He
always just trying to kick it. It's like, dam wow,
I'm you trying to work out, trying to play this tennis.
I'm trying to go kick with these girls. So I'm
just trying to, you know, keep it on straight. So
I'm always scarus, what what age it hits for other
other players?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
This is a new this is a new lane for you.
Right now, You've asked multiple guests this I like this.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And I'm just I'm taking notes, right sure, just trying
to be better.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, d Jack Man, congrats, man, I know you gotta
get out of here. You gotta go coach Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Are you looking forward to that?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Love some for you. We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna,
We're gonna do them.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Like every every player is gonna be over sixty yards fifty.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But the field ain't the same. This year is like
a real wider.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
No, it's like a real it's fifty yards for one,
so it's not like a last year. I think there
was in a whole stadium or whatever. They got us
inside the convention Center, so it's like on the beat
bombs like we got a rule. So you know, we
gotta we gotta be strategic though, but it's gonna be fun. Man.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I'm gonna get out there and have a good time. Man.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Everybody got Dion's shoes on.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You're gonna wear.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Them, yeah, probably, so you know, support Big Bro all
the time man for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
All right, man, Well, congratulations, man, keep doing your thing, Bro,
I mean coach Jackson, I still call it DJ. What
did it call you?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Coach Coach jack jack Yeah, coach.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Right, yeah, man, they're still up on the West coast.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Baby.
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Speaker 4 (22:24):
So I'm Peanut Roman Coach Jack and this is the
NFL Player's second X podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
We out
Knowing how emotional you were as a player.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's the chuckle for? What's the chuckle for?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Because he's right, I'm the same way with coaching though,
I'm wait for the question.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That's exactly where I was going with it, because you
can't be emotional like that as a coach, Like you
got to kind of be able to just take the
v's in the flows.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Man, I'm still high headed. I'm very emotional. It gets heated.
It gets if I if I see a play call
or something get called crazy, Like at the end of day,
I'm like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Like why are we calling? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
So that part of it is it's kind of hard
to take myself out of because I know football, you
know what I'm saying. It's like being the head coach. Man,
it's so it's so many variables, there's so many hats
you have to wear. Yeah, and uh, you know, so
I won't say overwhelming, but it is a lot, you
know what I'm saying. So you just got to be
in control at all given times, and you gotta let
your play calls, you know, they got to make the calls.
But at the end of the day, it's gonna come
(00:53):
with mistakes, and I feel like being the head coach,
you're not really looking at it as like the ins
and outs of you know what goes in too, imagine
a whole game.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Because you got it. It's chest like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Everybody on Peanut Tillman And this is the NFL Player's
Second Acts podcast and with me as always as my
trustee co host, Roman Grandpaul Harper.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I thought you was gonna say camouflage, but thank you.
Really excited for our next guest. I'll consider friend West
Coast's finest and can't wait to pick this guy's brain
because I'm just I just did not see him doing
exactly what he's doing. Right me, Let's let's jump right
into it. Go ahead, all right?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, he was one of the fastest receivers to ever
play the game while he played. During his fifteen year career,
he accumulated over eleven thousand yards All Pro Pro bowler.
Now he's the head coach at Delaware stated.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the pod. Missed did
Seawan Jackson.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
A little? Appreciate you all for having me doing many.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm good baby West Coast Finance. Right here, how are
you feeling? Dog?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And I'm blessed man, you know, kind of stepping out
the element a little bit coming to coach in.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
The Pro Bowl. So it was a you know, honor Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Rice was obviously the head coach and reached out and
is like, you know, I want, you know, the Shawn
to be my officer coordinator.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So came out obvious.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
See that when we was playing, you know, Pro Bowl
was a lot different nowadays, you know, the seven or
seven and just kind of just here man, being around
all the players.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Man, it's a good. It's good to be a coach,
but a player as well too.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Right, because I was going to say, you approached this
as yourself for sure. You know you're gonna address how
you're going to dress. You are who you are. You've
never changed you are. You are the same guy and
so very ai ish. Yeah, I mean I love it though.
He's the way. I mean, that's where you're from. Yeah, yeah,
(02:58):
how do you do it? Like even right now being
around the young guys now, the Pro bowlers that are here,
you know, they know Deshaun Jackson, but you still dress
like a player. But you're the coach.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, I mean just really being authentic, always being author
to who I was, you know, kind of not fitting
in standing out, if that makes sense. But I mean
for me, it's it's crazy because you know, a coaching
that I always say a college coach, college head coach.
You know that the referee used to come out to
try to find the head coach and they looking for
a head coach, and it's like, man, they walk right
by me and they was like, man, he looked like
(03:29):
a player, you know, kind of talking about what you're
talking about. But really that's just what made me me.
You know, I gotta a quote or somebody kind of
telling me. It's like, man, don't become a head coach
and change who you were, Like you got this job
because who you are, you know what I'm saying. So
that kind of it put things in perspective, like, you
know what, let me just obviously you always want to
be professionally, you want to you know, mature and level
with but you know, just kind of just standing authentic.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
But that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
How do players receive your style of do you just
kind of just you know, this me is who I am.
I'm pretty sure a lot of guys haven't had a coach.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like you for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I think for the players respect of it, it's
I think it's a gifferent, a curse to be honest,
because like, you know, you have that freedom and then
you know you want them to kind of be friendly,
but then at the same time you want them to
respecting you the authority as well too, because I am
the head coach. So you know, for me, like some
of my coach would be like, man, you're getting too
cool with them, Like you know, at the end of
the day, you're still.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
A head coach.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So you know, I got to kind of navigate through
that because at the end of the day, like, yeah,
I'm gonna be personal, yeah, and be friendly, but when
it's time to work and it's time to respect you know,
the elder, then that's what it got to be.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So you just got to you know, kind.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Of I'll be interesting to see your confidence in that
confidence and like, no, I'm like truly owning it. I
got it, sure, because you know we think we got
it right. But you you know, the conference between your
rookie year and your fourth year completely different player first,
So like at what point did this season did it
maybe happen like, oh okay, I got a little bit
confident after that moment. What was that for you? Or
(04:53):
has that moment happened?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah? I mean early on.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Man, like to be like, I coached this my second year,
my first year, like I was in high school, so
it was that I think twenty twenty three, yep, drove
Before that year. I was at Wilson right and my
big bro was the head coach for like the past
twenty twenty five years, so you.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Know, I kind of saw them for far.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You know, my first year after I retired playing fifteen years,
I was like, I owe this to myself.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm gonna not do nothing. You know. I woke up
at two in the afternoon, you know, chill there.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You know what it is you did that you feel me?
I did?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I feel like, man, after all those years, I'm like,
I owe that to myself. So after that first year
and I was like itching, I was like, man, I
got to figure out what my next thing is.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I got into the media, had podcasts. I was doing
some broadcasting things as well too, and then kind of
not nothing really stuck. So I was like, man, let me,
just go coach. So I went to go coach, and
I kind of fell in love with him. Man, And
after our first year, we took a school that hasn't
went to the championship over a hundred years, and our
first year we took them to the championship. And then
snapping finger was like around December, like really this time
last year, I got a call like, Man, would you
(05:52):
want to coach college football. I'm like, there's no way
because I knew how much time, Like that's why I
coached high school.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'm like, I can have my time, my.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Freedom high school. I mean college didn't. So I'm like
they spend too much time being a coach. So I
was like I wasn't really with that, and then you know,
kind of just fell on my lap man. Honestly, damn yeah.
But to kind of answer your kind of I kind
of ran but no, your question. It really the first
game of the year last year when we played University
of Delaware, Man, it was like leading up to it
because I was so anxious and like excited to see
(06:20):
like what my players was going to do. I'm like,
you know, I felt so confident about our team. And
then to answer your question, like that point where it's
like I could do this was that first game because
I'm like, you know, going into it be a head coach,
I don't know if we're gonna go out there and
get smacked.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I don't know we're gonna get our butt, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I saw my team like really respond to me,
and I'm like, man, I could do this. So it's
like it just was a confidence builder where like, man,
you know, at the end of the day, man like
this coach and stuff is fun.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's kind of I feel like it's for me.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Are you making the call on fourth and one? Like
like for sure? You know what I mean, Like for sure,
because these are the things as a head coach, Yeah,
that you're responsible for ultimately.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So when you say, am I making the call? Now?
If is it the player or is it to go for.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It, I'm gonna say the play. Are you a play caller?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm not the play caller right now, but I have
a lot of input into you know, the offense more
of the past game, the run game. I never really
I ain't gonna say I don't know it, but I
never really got into the ends and out, so like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Knowing the run game, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So yeah, to answer that question, I mean, like the
first year though, I wasn't really calling exact plays, but like,
if we're gonna go for ye I'm gonna give you
the confidence, like I'm the head coach, and you know
on second down, you know you got two downs left,
because as officer of play caller, it's better to know, like,
all right, do I got one down left for do?
I got to like, it's my head coach, gonna let
me go for the four for one. So that was
(07:38):
kind of like more strategic. But we was like we
was like sixty percent on fourth down, like I was,
I was risky.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I went for it a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
What's one of the biggest lessons you've learned being a.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Rookie head coach?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean I think like what was that welcome to
the NFL moment? Was that welcome to college football? I'm
the guy it all falls with me, or starts and
ends with me.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think just managing like clock management, I mean clock management,
So just really knowing the ins and outs of like
you know, when the call of time out, you know
when to put your team in the scenario situation where
it's gonna benefit us with wins and losses. And you know,
last year I felt like, you know, I leaned on
one of my older coaches. It was like, you know,
the thirty year you know coach, I mean a VET.
(08:24):
And there was sometimes where it's like a clock management
situation where like you know, in the first half, like
don't don't burn all your time outs within the first quarter.
Like you know, it was a few times where I
had to call some timeouts when I was pissed off
at more offensive courting because like, man, we're getting out
the hood. It was ten five seconds left and I
blow on time out. So it's just really managing the game.
And I think as a head coach, you know something
(08:44):
that I felt like to be successful, I got to
put people around me to help me be successful. You know,
it's not all about just you know, me being this
NFL VET that played all these years, Like no, I
got to have people around me that's been coaching, it
knows the ends and outs, and then it kind of
helped me be more.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Successful knowing how emotional you were as a player, for sure,
what's the chuckle for? What's the chuckle for?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Because he's right I'm the same way with coaching, though,
I wait for the question.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's exactly where I was going with it, all right,
knowing that about you for sure, how do you take
that in because you can't be emotional like that as
a coach, Like you got to kind of be able
to just take the ebbs and the flows. Yeah, when
you see the touchdown, you can't just be ah, how
is that going for you? What have you learned about
yourself in that period of time where now you're you
(09:34):
are the head guys?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Well man, I'm still high headed. I'm very emotional and
on those heads, on those head sets, I dig deep
in the pause on my coaches, you know. But it
gets heated. It gets if I if I see a
play call or something get called crazy, Like at the
end day, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What are we doing? Like why are we called? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So that part of it is it's kind of hard
to take myself out of because I no football, you
know what I'm saying. It's like like you see something
going on you watching football, you at home, and you
see something you're like, man, while you in cover two
on the fireyard line, it was a play last year
where you know, my defensive cord called cover too and
there was nobody over the slot receiver and we uncovered
too at the fireyard and he scored.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But before that, I'm like, I'm seeing the car.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I couldn't I couldn't get to a time out or nothing,
but I just see it and I'm like, man, that's
things we cannot do. So just being you got, like
I said, at the end of the day, being the
head coach, man, it's so it's so many variables. There's
so many hats you have to wear. Yeah, and uh,
you know, so I won't say overwhelming, but it is
a lot, you know what I'm saying. So you just
got to be in control at all given times and
you gotta let your play calls. You know, they got
(10:41):
to make their calls. But at the end of the day,
it's gonna come with mistakes. And I feel like being
the head coach, you're not really looking at it as
like the ins and outs of you know what goes
into imagine a whole game, because you gotta it's chest
like you gotta go versus the other defensive coording at
the offense court depends beside you on. So in times
I'm seeing stuff go on and I try to interject,
but I'm like, damn, I'm not calling play and play
out every game, I mean every you know play.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So it's like it's a little different. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
So after the season, we all do the exit interviews, right, great,
this was off season with this next year, blah blah
blah blah, exactly, having played a season or been a
head coach, having done that your first year, how do
you grade yourself?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And I think I did a pretty good job, man, honestly,
And you know, I'm not grading myself off based off
of what I feel, what I say, I'm going off of,
you know, intake from you know, other coaches around me
that's been doing it a long time. And uh, you know,
they they gave me my flowers. You know, I don't
think a lot of people really, like y'all said when
we first sat down, y'all didn't see me in this role.
A lot of people didn't see me in this row.
And like I honestly didn't see myself in this role either.
(11:45):
But even before I took this job, you know, I
reached out to like, you know, Dion, Andy Reid, Sean McVay,
you know, people that I already respected at a high level.
Was just like on some curiosity, like, man, what do
y'all think before I take this job and make a
fool out myself?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like what do y'all think about me being the here coach?
Man a lot?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know, I got nothing but great feedback. So that's
it kind of gave me confidence in taking this role,
like I could do it. So, you know, just going back,
I mean, no one's perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know, we all human.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
We're gonna make mistakes, but just really correcting the mistakes
getting better. But you know, my first year, like I say,
I mean, I turned the program that was two and
twenty two in the past two years.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
In the first year we went eight and four and
lost in the championship game.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So you know, we put them to triple the wins,
and you know, we we continuously building, you know, and
I feel like I did I did a lot with
the less resource I did. I did more with less,
you know what I'm saying, because you know, being at
the HBCU, you know, we don't have the funding that
of Georgia or Flora, you know what I'm saying, the
big schools have, you know, So I got to this
nil space. It's money of all these players are getting
all this money, you know, and some of these guys
(12:41):
are leaving big time programs to come, you know, because
they believe in to what we appreciate.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Shout out Delaware State eight and four. They only won
two games that the previous.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Two years for that for real. Both years.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, you guys went to me ACT Championships, Sir, you
lost to Carolina State Man School.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'm hot about that. You're going to keep going.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's all good. They eventually went on to win the
Celebration Bowl, you know what I mean, So shout out
to me ACT winning it. They which Alabama State should
have been in, but they lost.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The review for every one, so sir, and it's.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Our whole rundown of all the HBCU business going on
right now. So I just want to let you all
know that. Also, Delaware State first Division one women's wrestling tournament,
you guys hosted that, So shout out to Delaware State
being the first HBCU to do that as well. So
you guys are doing big things.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's a lot of positive things going.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And that was another reason why, Like when I first
went there, man, I could just feel that they really
wanted to win, Like you could tell, like you know
when you go somewhere and it's just like it's like
an open air, open hole, and it's just like, man,
they really feel like like, man, this is our time
and you know, bringing me in, bringing other individuals in
over there.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Man, they was invested to want to win.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So you know, I tipped my head off to Tony Isllen,
Tony Tucker, the guys that kind of to make this
just happen.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Can you name the only player from l Long Beach
probably who's played more seasons than you in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Marchetes Lewis twenty years, he's still going.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, craz who had more Pro Bowls out of all
the cats that came.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Out of Willia McGinnis.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
That's a good guess.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
That's a good guess.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But no, put more Pro Bos out of Long Beach.
Probably I didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Will Willie came from Long Beach probably too. Party damn Wolves,
Drell Casey defensive.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, what do you got four or five?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Five? Far crazy? I didn't know that either.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I honestly thought you had more than three.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, I mean I tell people all the time,
you shout that era I was in though, Man, I
have some dudes.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I was up against the absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Calvin Johnson's Larry for gerald A. J. Green Antony, you.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Know it was.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And I feel like I never really had a stint
where I had a quarterback play with me for more
than like, you know, my longest stint with the quarterbacks
like two years throughout my whole career. So like some
of them guys like being you know, they even Julio Jones,
you know, they was playing with the guys for like
seven eight years. Vaculum statistic, you know what I'm saying.
So nothing against it back then day. You know, hey,
(15:09):
I turned glitter into gold.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But people don't.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I don't think people realize that about the receiver quarterback combo.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, like it plays.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It plays a huge role into you and you you
and the receiver of you in the quarterback that relationship.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, you have the most I think you have the
most sixty yard plays in NFL history. Sure your second
and fifty yard plays, which is crazy to me. Who's
number one?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Jared Riss?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, nobody looks at Jerry Rice as that guy there.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know they said that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, if you was to say who was the
best deep there all the time? Who would you probably
say Randy Morris? Yeah, you know what I mean, So
like that's honesty. And then so you talk about deep
that then jay Rice got the fifty yards so it's
like crazy I kind of put him in that conversation too,
But like you said, you're not gonna really think. But
I mean he was catching slants and taking at the
distance too though, So you know that was.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That was then?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What was the most gratifying part of your eight and
four season this year? Like? What game, what situation? What
was it? Now that you look back on it and
we can kind of digest that you digested it already.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
My I think going to going back to when we
first started conference play, because I think we we went
like four and three or something in non conference play.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think it was far into it was something right,
and we got into conference play and conference player was
a lot tougher because these these schools been used to
beating up on us. We was like the little brothers
for all these years. So we get into conference play
in our first game was versus North Carolina Central at
in North Carolina and dorm North Carolina and we haven't
won there since like nineteen, like I want to say
(16:44):
seventy or thirty.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It was like a long time. It was like with
thirty years.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And we went in there on their homecoming date and
we they WoT you off for homecoming. They booked us
for homecoming, so you know, we felt a way about that.
They booked us for homecoming. So I'm like, well, they
think it's sweet. And you know, at this time, we think,
you know, we was think we was over five hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We was plus five hundred.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
So we came into that game and it was it
was a tough battle, but we went in there. The atmosphere,
for sure, for a Black Cotche HBC is second to nothing,
Like I've never experienced it, Like you know, you get
what I'm saying. For me going to Cow and just
not really experiencing that, I was like, man, this is
I probably wouldn't even made it the league. I ain't
gonna lie. If I would have went to Black Couche,
(17:22):
probably wouldn't have made it. So kudos to you, but
y'all just think going in there, man, going in their back,
we said, good, walk in your trap and take over
your trap.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That was our model.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And it was just something about us going in there man,
with with our backs against the one nobody really believe
in us. Like throughout the whole meet, I think we
was like underdogs until probably like the second or third
or the last second to third last games.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But yeah, man, it was.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
It was a huge thing, man, just to see them
young boys man really take gratitude and take ownership into
like every game. Basically people feeling like we was the underdogs. Man,
we came out and you know, we prevailed.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And we'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
We asked a lot of our guests that come on
the show, Mount Rushmore, you are who you are because
the community, the people, the people that have helped you.
If you could put four people on your personal Mount Rushmore,
who would those four people be.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like people to kind of help me get to one mat?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, on the field, off the field coaching parent?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Who is I wish I wish I could say more
than for it, but alas I would go for it,
But uh, I would say for sure, my mother, you know,
my my background, my backbone, Uh, my dad, uh my sister.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Why are your pops?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Man? Pops? Was he was a rolling stone man? He was?
Was was she knew what he wanted.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Obviously, he wasn't able to really play growing up because
he lived in Pittsburgh and his pops made him work
in the steel mill, so you know, he had he
was like, man, I'm having kids, and somebody gonna make
it to lead. Obviously, my older brother made it in
ninety two. He played for the cah She's, but he
was like a practice spar player. He never really like
had like a long cris So I used to always
use that as motivation.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So it's like my dad just knew that. He's like
I'm gonna have like.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I was gonna be that guy, and yeah, that's kind
of how it happened my sister. And then I think
my last one, I'll probably just say my truck coach man,
you know, just with the speed, you know, because I'm
a speed guy and I was able to maintain my speed.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Majority I feel like all my career.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I would have loved to work that with your pops
as a kid.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Some of those VideA for sure, Like I told you, man,
he knew what he wanted, and it was hard because
like I didn't understand what he was on. Like I'm like, man,
this dude crazy like he forced me to work out
and like tripping on me if I ain't want to,
or like hanging out with homie. It was just like
a lot of stuff. He was just like, nah, that's
that's not your that's not your path. Like I got
you making it to the least, So you got to
do things how I want you to do it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And what point in time did you Cause I'm doing
struggles with my son right now, at what point in
time did it sink in for you to be like, nah,
this is what I want to do. Was you were
you like fifteen sixteen, like the working out? At what
point did your dad stop making you go kind of
pushing you and you kind of took over. It's like no, Dad,
let's go to the gym, let's go run, let's go
(19:59):
do this.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean, I know what I wanted to do early. Yeah,
but I still fought the work side of it. Just
because I was talented, a lot of things came easy
to me. So I ain't gonna say I didn't want
to work out, but the way he wanted me to
work out, I felt like I didn't probably need to
work out the way he wanted me to work out,
So I would probably say like towards like my junior
senior year, like right before college.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Like I was like, all right, I give what you on.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Not like because I was like player of the year,
California player of the year in twenty twenty. Dang two
thousand and five, I M say twenty yeah, two thousand
and five. I was a player of the year for
LA I mean for California. So I was like, I
start seeing like, all right, all the work he got
me doing and starting to payoff.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I was like, let me stop the resistance side
of it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, So you.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Probably got a year or two before that. You said
he's sixteen, Yeah, he's sixteen.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Trying to get him just like, dude, what did he
just always trying to kick it with the hobie. He
always just trying to kick it. It's like, dam wow,
I'm you trying to work out, trying to play this tennis.
I'm trying to go kick with these girls. So I'm
just trying to, you know, keep it on straight. So
I'm always scarus, what what age it hits for other
other players?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
This is a new this is a new lane for you.
Right now, You've asked multiple guests this I like this.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And I'm just I'm taking notes, right sure, just trying
to be better.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, d Jack Man, congrats, man, I know you gotta
get out of here. You gotta go coach Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Are you looking forward to that?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Love some for you. We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna,
We're gonna do them.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Like every every player is gonna be over sixty yards fifty.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But the field ain't the same. This year is like
a real wider.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
No, it's like a real it's fifty yards for one,
so it's not like a last year. I think there
was in a whole stadium or whatever. They got us
inside the convention Center, so it's like on the beat
bombs like we got a rule. So you know, we
gotta we gotta be strategic though, but it's gonna be fun. Man.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I'm gonna get out there and have a good time. Man.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Everybody got Dion's shoes on.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You're gonna wear.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Them, yeah, probably, so you know, support Big Bro all
the time man for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
All right, man, Well, congratulations, man, keep doing your thing, Bro,
I mean coach Jackson, I still call it DJ. What
did it call you?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Coach Coach jack jack Yeah, coach.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Right, yeah, man, they're still up on the West coast.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
All right man. Well, look, thank you for always tuning
in watching wherever you pick up your podcast, whether it's
Apple Podcast, iHeartRadio app. Make sure you like subsab share,
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Make sure you tell a friend and tell a friend
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Speaker 4 (22:24):
So I'm Peanut Roman Coach Jack and this is the
NFL Player's second X podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
We out
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