On today's episode of The Insiders, Steve Wyche is joined by Ian Rapoport and Marc Ross to tell you what to take away from Dak Prescott being photographed in a walking boot, discuss Joe Burrow's return from injury, Cam Newton dubbing Lamar Jackson the best dual-threat QB to ever play the game, and discuss if they think C.J. Stroud could become the best QB in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Happen Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody you are watching the Insiders.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I am Steve.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Whitchermar Inglewood, California Newsroom Studios, and that is Ian RAPPI
work from the Rap Cave rap Sheet.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How's everything going? Man back from Greece, ready to go?
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I am back from Greece too? But we missed each other,
you know what? He In a little bit, we're gonna
be joined by Mark Ross, Sarah Walsh and Omar Ruiz
and they're gonna help us get some answers to could
see Jay Stroud, the Texans quarterback, grow into the best
player at his position in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And based on last week's.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hard knocks, are the Giants really all in on quarterback
Daniel Jones? And lastly, is Baltimore's Lamar Jackson the best
dual threat quarterback ever? You will get those answers a
little bit later, But first Ian the big news from
over the weekend. Let's take a look at this picture
from Dak Prescott's own social media account. He's not in
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that walking boot. This from Saturday, July sixth, with two
days earlier. Ian, on July fourth, we saw him in
that walking boot that created all kinds of frenzy what's
going on with Dak? So as we come back to
the show, let's bring it our Mark Ross and Ian,
what can you tell us a little bit about the
walking boot.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Not walking boot and Dak Prescott. It was a very
twenty twenty four situation.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Dak Prescott, as most players are right now away on vacation,
minding his own business. The doc worker ended up snapping
a photo of him wearing a protective walking boot just
kind of stroll into a boat, and everything went crazy
on social media. So we had to get to the
bottom and figure out where it all stands. Here's my
understanding of the situation. On the same foot, the same ankle, essentially,
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the Dak Prescott very famously injured a couple of years ago.
He suffered a very very mild foot spring, so mild
that about a week or so later he was out
of the walking boots. Nothing, as far as I can understand,
nothing that will prevent his participation in training camp, nothing
that will alter the progress that he is making toward
being one hundred percent out in the field when training
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camp begins. It is all good, and the fact that
he was in a boot doesn't necessarily mean anything bad.
Walking boots are structural, they are protective. It's like you
see plenty of times guys players leave a stadium with
a walking but everyone's like, oh no, sometimes it's just
to make sure that he can walk without a limp.
It is going to be okay. And as Dak Prescott
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himself showed us, the fact that he's out of the
walking boot already probably good, great and not.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But let's not diminish this too.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
None of us are going to go put on a
walking boot just to say we put in a walking boot.
There is a little bit of there. There become training camp.
We're not expecting anything big. So Mark, let's get to your.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Front office perspective. Right here, we know Dak is in the.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Final year of that four year, one hundred and sixty
million dollar contract, could in any way the Cowboys, we
have all of his medical records, use something like this
as as leverage, so to speak, and any time a
contract negotiations they may be having.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
That's a great point, Steve, And yes you may think so,
but Ian mentioned the previous injury, the initial injury.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
In twenty What happened after that?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
They gave back the biggest press, the biggest contract in history.
So there's already a precedent that despite a major injury
and now just a preventative one, that they gave him
a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Would preclude them from giving him another huge contract. Of
course that'll come into talks, but when it's all said
and done, I think they'll do that. And you talk
about just the supply and demand. The Cowboys know what's
out there, they know the QB market, and we have
to look no further than just this past summer with
Kirk Cousins, who's thirty five years old and coming off
in Achilles.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
We haven't seen him at all.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
That's not preventative at all, then will he even look
like And the Vikings gave him a four year, one
hundred and eighty million dollar contract. So there's a president
with Dak coming back from an injury and getting dad.
But also just as pass summer with Kirk Cousin, an
older bird of that who got a huge contract.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Fella. So no, I don't think so sry.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That was the Falcons that gave Kirk that contract.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Remember, Dak Prescott is thirty one and based on today's
NFL quarterbacks, He's still kind of a baby in the
way things are going. Now, Dak's injury is mild, but Ian,
let's get to a quarterback who is coming off of
a significant injury, and that's Bengals quarterback Joey Burrow. Now,
Joey said, coming off of that risk surgery that he
had that limited him to you know, just a few
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games last season, that the biggest strides this year are
going to be learning how.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
To get through the season in tip top shape.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
This is the second time he's not been able to
finish the season because of a major injury. We know
he's been tickling the ivories playing the piano to try
to strengthen that risk. But also Ian, you know, the
one thing he said, you know which is interesting here
a lot of players who are hurt saying, you know,
when you're not on the field, people forget about you.
But in typical Joe Burrow with Joe sisty swag says,
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I'm going to give them something to talk about. So
when you know, what is the status of this injury
and what are the Bengals thinking about Joe Burrow as
he comes back from this rest surgery.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
First of all. It sounds like he's doing absolutely fine
from the risk surgery.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Kind of did a on again, off again thing during
mandatory minicamp during the ots, but really just to make
sure that he didn't go too hard. I haven't talked
to anyone who believes there's going to be any issue
going forward with his risk. But we've seen and heard
a lot of Joe Burrow this offseason, whether in Vogue,
which actually is a thing of course, he walked in
some fashion shows along with his old college teammate Justin Jefferson.
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We've seen plenty of interviews like the barstool one and
some others, but he is seeming to me striking the
right courtier. Joe Burrow was awesome, Okay. I mean we've
seen him do almost everything. We've seen him get all
the way in the Super Bowl. We've seen him perform
in clutch moments. We've seen him emerge to being one
of the very very best in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But he knows to be the best to consider.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
To be considered among all of the excellent, excellent quarterbacks
take their teams deep into the playoffs the year after year.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He has to be there. He has to be healthy.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
It is clear from listening just to Burrow's words that
not only is he, as you mentioned, set out to
remind us of how good he is, but he understands
that availability is like the biggest thing. And I would
hope for his sake, for his team's sake, for everything
that we see a little more of a cautious Joe
Burrow just to make sure he stays on the field.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
We saw he did there too when he talked about
Joe Burrow striking a chord.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Of course they're playing the piano.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Now, Mark, you know, we know Joe Burrow's not the
only quarterback coming back from a significant injury. There's Aaron Rodgers,
There's Deshaun Watson, There's Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, let's kind of bring it back into the show.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We be and Aaron Rodgers. Since those are two teams.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
People projecting to go to the playoffs if those two
guys stay healthy. But which one takes their team on
a deeper playoff run?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, this is easy.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It's got to be Joe Burrow and Ian talked about availability.
When Joe Burrow's available, they go to the super Bowl,
they go to the conference championship game.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I mean He's shown you what he can do.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
He's shown you I can beat Patrick Mahomes in the
regular season, so you know what Joe Burrow can do
when he is available. And the Bengals team itself had
nine wins last year, fellas we forget they had nine
wins despite that having Joe Burrow. So they've got a
really great team with maybe top three quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Whereas on the flip side, I know we.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Keep talking about Aaron Rodgers, but the last time we
saw Aaron Rodgers play, he had one of the worst
seasons of his career. And he's a thirty nine years old.
There's no precedent for a thirty nine year old making
a deep run except Tom Brady. We're not comparing to
anybody to Tom Brady. But also coming off that Achilles injury,
there's not a great history or precedent for quarterbacks actually
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even playing well following Achilles. So with the age and
the injury, with Aaron Rodgers, no Joe Burrow's available, he wins.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, hard argue with that mark, even though the Bengals
are in arguably the best top to bottom division right there,
We've got some news right now that has developed this
today about some players, and let's start in Pittsburgh with
their defensive back Cameron Sutton, who they just resigned this
summer after him spending last season with the Lions.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
You have some significant news from two veteran defensive backs,
both dealing with suspensions. We'll start, as you mentioned with
Cam Sutton, the former Lions big ticket free agent, was
released by the Lions after dealing with a domestic violence issue.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Resigned by the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Now we get official word from the NFL that he
has been suspended eight games without pay during the start
of the twenty twenty four season, violent in the NFL's
Personal conduct Policy. Eligible to return October twenty ninth after
the game against the Giants. Sutton has entered a or
did enter a pre trial program in April to resolve
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the domestic violence case. After he turned himself in to
the Hillsboro County Sheriff. He was charged with misdemeanor battery.
As you mentioned, back with these Steelers, but not going
to join them on the field for real until midway
through the season. Meanwhile, to Shawn Gibson, the veteran defensive
back formerly of the forty nine Ers, several teams. Of course,
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to Shaun Gibson, he was suspended last week for valley
in the NFL's ped policy. Released a statement today essentially
taking ownership of the issuest, saying he took a supplement
one time that he thought was safe and legal.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Of course, according to the NFL's policy, it was not.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
He takes full responsibility though for what goes into his body.
He accepts the suspension and looks forward to a thirteenth
season again still unsigned.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Steve, all right, thanks so much for that news, and
now we have to get on to a tragic development
that took place over the weekend in Maryland outside of Washington,
d C. Where a fatal car accident claimed the lives
of three people, including Viking's rookie cornerback Kyrie Jackson Jackson
as well as Isaiah Hazel and.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Anthony Litton Junior.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
We're driving early Saturday morning when, according to investigators, another
car entered their lane and forced.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Their vehicle off the road.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The Vikings released the following statement in the wake of
this horrible news. We're devastated by the news of Kyrie
Jackson's death following an overnight car accident. While we worked
to gather more information. We've spoken to Kyrie's family and
offered the support of the Minnesota Vikings. We've also offered
We've also communicated the news to Vikings players, coaches, and staff,
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and have offered counseling for those who need emotional support.
Our thoughts with Kyrie's family, friends, teammates, and coaches, as
well as the victims of this tragic accident. The NFL
also issued this statement. The NFL family is deeply saddened
and devastated by the passing of Vikings rookie Kyrie Jackson.
Our thoughts and condolences are with his family, loved ones,
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and everybody involved in this tragic accident.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Jackson was a fourth round pick of the.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Vikings in the twenty twenty four drafts out of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
He was twenty four.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
He's right back after the Star, all right, Welcome back
to the Insiders, and now it is time for some
summer superlatives in these final days of player's time off.
Former Panthers MVP Cam Newton recently appeared on The Fourth
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and one Show and he was asked if he was
the best dual threat quarterback of all time. His response, no,
that's Lamar Jackson. He's got big plays, any play, and
he's got speed that I've never had. I do think
Cam is selling himself a little bit short right there,
the former MVP. But you're looking at the highest passer
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rating among these dual threat quarterbacks. It's a label that
we've put on them. You're looking at Russell Wilson one
hundred passer rating, Lamar Jackson's right there at ninety eight,
Cam Newton eighty five point.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Two, and Michael Vick at about eighty.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Jackson's the only play in NFL history to hit fifteen
thousand pass yards and five thousand rush yards in his
career before playing his eleventh season. Jackson is entering his
seventh season. So again, I'm Steve Whiteley and Mark Ross,
and let's start with you. When you hear Cam Newton,
who by the way, is incredibly thoughtful. I love watching
him and see what he's become as a broadcaster kind
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of an analyst. But when he says this about Lamar Jackson,
when you look at Lamar's impact on today's game, at
what he's done for the Ravens, what are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I took notice right because for Cam Newton to you know, annoint,
I would say, maybe, for lack of a better word,
Lamar Jackson is meaningful. I mean, Kim Newton, it's I
think people kind of forget how unbelievably good he was
and how unbelievably revolutionary he was, not just in the NFL,
but then of course before that in college. I mean,
this was the guy who was who was the whole
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team on several teams he was on. And for him
to come out and say, you know, Lamar Jackson is
the best dual threat quarterback of all time, that's something
to me. I say, all right, well that's coming from
where it comes from. That's meaningful. I would also say this,
until Lamar Jackson wins a super Bowl, and I really
do think that it is coming for the Baltimore Ravens
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and their star quarterback, until they go deep, deep into
the playoffs, until he continues to do it year after
year rather than deal with some of the injuries he
has in the past. Then I don't know that the
words of Cam Newton are really.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Going to mean anything. Forget about to us and who
cares about that, But I.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Don't think it's going to mean anything to Lamar Jackson,
because this is a guy who is as team oriented
as anyone could ever want it. So, like the nice
words are nice and fine and meaningful, but I know
that when it comes to what Lamar and the Ravens
and the fans and all of them want, it's more
about the team stuff super Bowls as opposed to the
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individual stuff, which is greatest tool thread quarterback of all time.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
In one hundred percent, right.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Look, Lamar Jackson has done individually and even winning during
the regular season has been unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean, he balls out, he puts up stats.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And he wins, but the ultimate goal for him is
to win those Super Bowls or even get to one.
If he does that, I think he will could be
considered that and will be considered the greatest not just
dual threat quarterback, but one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time. And I think Cam Newton was being very
gracious because what Cam did. He did put a team
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on his back at the Panthers and take them to
the Super Bowl with Philly Brown and the Jericho COACHERI
and Ted Ginton Junior as his receivers there. So Cam
Newton was an absolute phenomenon of force of nature. On
the field, and you talk about revolutionizing the game, it's
sort of the evolution of Randall to Donovan McNabb, Vig
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to Cam and now Lamar. But even when Cam came out,
there was questions whether he could do it. Despite the
history of those doing it and Vic doing it, it was
still hen this guy doing it, and he's saying Lamar
has got something. He doesn't have that speed. But Cam
is sixty five, two hundred and fifty pounds and he
had strength end speed like nobody else. And before the
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touch Pusch, it was the Cam just run over people
at the goal liner.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Shirtyard is that Lee think he used to do?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Big plays?
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Revolutionarizy game, Cam selling himself short, I love, I love
he's giving the young guys flowers. But Cam, you're up
there too, my man.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And don't forget you know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Cam used to get the shack attack type treatment.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
He was taking shots that no other quarterback, especially in
today's game, would be allowed to take. And he played
through a lot of those, maybe even till those led
to the injuries that cut his career a little bit short. Okay,
let's move on to the next summer. Superlative and let's
go to the words of Houston Texans wide receiver Take Dell.
I praise from Dell about his quarterback, the offensive rookie
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of the Year in CJ. Stroud, who said on a
recent edition of I Am Athlete This that's right CJ.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
God to just keep doing what he doing to bridge
the gap between him and my homes man, because I'm
not gonna lie my home special man. W it was
like six years, seventy five super Bowls, six years.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think going to the.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Super Bowl, you know, that's crazy and it's for sure
gonna be a lot of work to get have to
be put in with seven. But I just feel like
if he just keep doing he doing, he on the
right path he started in he started already, So I
feel like we just keep bringing in pieces to help
the team grow.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So Producer Alex Will, can we get to smooth jazz
for the rest of the segment, As I asked Ian,
what does CJ. Stroud have to do to close that
gap on Patrick Mahomes and eventually surpass him to be
that dude?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, first, a little story.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So when I covered Alabama when I was a young
beat writer just twenty six, twenty seven, years old. Covering
for the Birmingham News, I covered a somewhat well known
coach named Nick Saban and when he would hear things
that the media set or things that opponent said, or
his own players, the praise, the endless praise for his team,
had a very endearing word for it, and that was
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rat poison. And so this is what's coming for the
Houston Texans. It is, as a former Alabama superstar Dmika
Ryans knows very well, rat poison.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It is endless people telling them how good they are.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So yes, c J.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Stroud is awesome, and I really do believe Tank Doll.
I mean, he really does have a chance to be
among the greats in the game, certainly among the greats today.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean it's all out there for him. And the
fact that his rookie season.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Was so unbelievably good, in the fact his team seems
primed to go on a big time deep run year
year after year.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's all good.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
But the second year after the big success, these are
the kinds of things that this Houston Texans team is
going to have to deal with. They are not under
the radar. They really are no longer anyone's darlings. They're
not a surprise. Everyone knows they are coming, everyone knows
how good they are, and it's gonna be nothing but praise,
endless praise, And it's just part of like Holmes and
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the Chiefs deal with this a lot. It's part of
what the Texan they're really going to have to get
through the season.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And did you hear the music in the background, were
you feeling it? I did hear that. Mark, We're keeping
it going for you now, that's part of my request.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Really good, thanks Steve, I appreciate it. I would switch
up my theme music, but we'll get that later on
to the producers. But hey, look, you're right, hey, they
do have to avoid the traps and they'll take the
she don't take the cheese and rat poison and all that.
But last year when ces Shroud jumped out there and
he had those huge games, and each week they're saying,
all right, he's going to level off at some point,
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and he just kept getting better and better and better,
and the team kept getting better and everybody around the
confidence just grew and built around it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Demiko Ryan's a phenomenal coach, so to me, Ces Shroud
already is easy.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Top ten quarterback easy knocking on the door of top
five could be top five already in what He's Done
argument Therapy's top five. But yes, the ultimate goal is
to be the man.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You have to beat the.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Man, and I love out Tank Dell gave Patrick's flowers
that he didn't just throw Patrick under the bus and say,
my guys seemed Dave's better than him.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
He acknowledged, Yep, this is the standard. You got to
go beat that guy.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
What Patrick has done has been amazing, but my guy
can do it and he has confidence in it. So yeah, Mark,
don't beat the man, and then we can talk about
you CJ.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But Mark, nobody gets there alone.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And what about the way the Houston Texans are ensuring
at least trying to ensure he continues that trend that
go out and to get Nistefon Diggs, that continue to
fordify that offensive line and they replenish the defense after
they lose some key players.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, that's what they looked at. They're better.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
It looks like a better team last year at this time,
we're just talking about the Texans. Well, maybe they've got
got the young quarterback, rookie rookie head coach. Let's see
what kind of damage. I mean, no one want to.
Ian and I are actually back together training camp there.
Nobody there would have thought they would have done what
they did last year throughout that, so I think they're
even better now.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
The GM there, Nixonsaria said, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
What, I'm going to strike and get and get and
get Diggs, going to get Hunter, and we're going to
make a run at this right now. Our window might
not be opened as long as we think, so let's
take up shots now. We got a ton of young
players with contracts that we can build this around and
make this sustainable for a while. So you know, I
love what they've done so far.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, okay, smooth jazz beautiful For this segment, we're not
the next segment because we're going Hard Knocks. We're looking
at episode one and the Giants in some intriguing discussion
about former running back Saquon Barkley t demn not in
New York might be the man in Philly, though we'll
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talk about that.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
More on The Insider.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Weloc back to the Insiders and tomorrow night, episode number
two of Hard Knocks the off season with the New
York Giants. It drops on HBO and streams on Max.
We hope to see some moments as fascinating as this
one from GM Joe Shanan Company discussing Saquon Barkley to
play episode one. Obviously Saque franchising and trading him.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't think he's realistic.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are we?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Are we positive that nobody is gonna pay him that
kind of.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
Money, Like there's nobody in the draft never there's another
free agents receivers that are gonna they're rather gonna be
going back to their team at twenty million.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean, who would you say would go sign up
running back to that dollar a month team? That's I
mean anyone that has money to spend.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
There's a lot of running backs in free agency.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, but are any potential difference makers?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Really?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Like, after you watch this film.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Even if sak one is number one, you're bored. Do
you imagine anyone's going to have such a gap between
Saque and Jacob's Pollard, Henry whoever else, that they're gonna
want him at twelve million dollars a year or minus
were willing to eat and send.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
A draft pick? Right?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And then if we did, what would somebody realistically give up?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I just think all the team doesn't think they need
a running back, and look at do you feel good
about eating three to four million for a fifth round packer?
I don't know, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
There's no guarantee we from training, so, you know, having
the needs that we have and a four million dollars
twenty seven year old.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Part interesting interesting stuff. I'm joined by Mark Ross and
Ian Rappaport.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Mark, let's start with you, because you've been in those
discussions when you were with the Giants and the Eagles,
and what did you take from what they were saying
about first off, examining the teams and then paying Saquon
and upwards of twelve million dollars in comparing to the
other running backs, and then how they were measuring him
and how he would fit on their roster.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, in first we got to know what the production is.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
What was that spiced a little bit to make it
seem good for TV?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
We don't know what. Let's just say it was.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's what they do. It's edited, of course.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I know.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
But so but you go through all of that when
you're in those meetings. They gave you a nice little
snippet of Look, these meetings go on forever, you know,
that wasn't just a five minute meeting that they had,
and everybody's in there. This has been talked about four
months throughout the whole year, really and pro scouts got
there and stack the board, and you get with your
cap guys, you get with your college evaluation team, and
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you stack everything together.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You talk about all.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
These different scenarios with your own players, with free agents,
with the draft that's coming up, and you try to
build the best team for you come up with the
best game plan for where you are financially, where you
are as a team. So that little couple minutes snippet
is really months and months and months of preparation and
work that the whole entire personnel department goes through. So
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with the Giants in particular, that the big decision, as
we knew the last year or two was what to
do with Daniel Jones, what to do with Sakuon Barkley.
You know, up until the very end of how to
handle both of those contracts. Who to prioritize, who you
think you can get done and who would be easier
to do. What's the value of a quarterback versus the
running back, what's the upside, what's the potential. So that
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little snippet there definitely chance light on it, but you know,
don't want to short change with the personnel department because
there's not a lot of months and months of work
that go into these decisions and these meetings.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So episode one great.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I've seen Episode two, which airs tomorrow, I think also excellent.
It's a rare look into the business side of football
which we haven't really seen, and seeing general manager top
lieutenants discuss pretty openly the value that they put on
players is really fascinating. I think it's the kind of
thing that we almost never get now. The fact that
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they didn't think that somebody would pay Saguon Barkley more
than twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And give up a draft pick is accurate. I also
think nobody would have done that. Somebody did end up.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Paying Saguon Barkley more than twelve million dollars, but then
by that point the salary cap number was much higher
than I think everyone anticipated. What I take from this
really is more philosophical than anything. It's more fundamental for
the Giants with general manager Joe Shane wants to bring
than anything. Is it worth it for the Giants to
pay a running back twelve million dollars? Do they believe
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that that is good value to be a twenty seven
year old running back twelve million dollars? And they said
pretty openly in another clip of Hard Knocks that there
is a line where running backs at the age of
twenty seven historically start to go the wrong way. The
stats are what the stats are. We will see where
the Giants end up. A lot of things are going
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to play out, But I was just really fascinated philosophically
that paying twelve million dollars for running back day is
just not something they really really wanted to do, even
with the player is very very special and they know
this as Saquon Barkley is.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, you know what's interesting, and you mentioned that twenty
seven year old drop dead dayto to speak, if they
said the decline, we'll see how he declines behind that
very good Philadelphia Eagles Yeah, offensive loss this year.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
There's also this, and you guys have heard this.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
They didn't win with Saquan as great as he was,
as dynamic as he was, they lost ball games with
him and Mark This is where I want to get
to you because one thing Joe Shane did say is
that the priority should be with their money is fortifying
their quarterback Daniel.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Jones so they can figure out what he is.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
How much did that that little episode, the ended episode
that we saw tell you that this is the season
to show and prove for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Well, it's interesting I heard the argument about they didn't
win with Saquon. Well, they don't win with Daniel Jones either.
So they actually hi Rod Taylor and Tommy Cutler's Tommy
DeVito when they played the offense of what played better
and they were more efficient when those two guys were
on the field and not Daniel Jones. So the argument that, well,
we just need to get them a line and we
need to do this for him, it might be a
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little bit of fool's goal because you put two other
quarterbacks in there that had to deal with the same
situation and they played better. And the best version of
Daniel Jones that we've seen is when Saquon Burt Barkley
is with him. So this is the great unknown whether
he can actually be okay competent without Saquon. And here
comes from Elie Neighbors and he's got to save the day.
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So that's the huge question For me, it's not just
been this year with Daniel doings proven, It's been.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
The last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
But the Giants brass otherwise and thought he had a
lot more to offer. But you know, I haven't really
seen a lot of Daniel Jones that think he can
compete with the big guys there in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Dean Well, they.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Did make a run two years ago when he was
fully healthy, and I know it was a kind of
a Cinderella type season, but there he was leading them
into exactly where every team wants to go.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And I would say this, you're right.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean with Sakuon is a great player, and when
he has been healthy, he has absolutely helped the Giants
win football games if they're going to go where they
want to go. We have seen teams all across the
NFL it is with star quarterbacks. With Daniel Jones turn
into the star quarterback, the Giants hope that's all going
to play out on the field. But using that money
fortify the offensive line and such, to me, I think
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makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know, the last great real inside linebacker was for
the New York Giants guys Antonio Piers and Antonio Pierce
is one of a handful of new coaches who are
trying to change the culture of their ball clubs.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
We're gonna talk about ap and.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Some other new coaches as they get set for.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Training camp and the difference they can make.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's next on the inside.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Let's do what we do, boy, let's do what we
do we specially the night. All right, crazy lads, get
some jews down. Let's go up top.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Huh up top.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, let's go k like it, like it.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Pound them, pound them, pound them, pound them.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Let's get the ball off this fit sack of the game.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You can't keep this d line down, John Cope, You're
gonna get chance to see before man, that's awesome seeing
what you're.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Doing as a former player.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Right, they're gonna Raiders coach Antonio Pierce as we're joined
by our own Omar Ruiz. Antonio Pierce takes over midway
last season with the Raiders. Omar he goes five, I
even four as interim, gets the full time job after
they flirted with some other candidates. But there's a lot
of new coaches here and one of the big thing
they're trying to establish is culture. It looks like ap
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got a head start on that as opposed to some
other coaches like Dave Canalis who were starting fresh.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
Yeah, you mentioned it. Steve the five and four of
the nine games as interim head coach he had with
the Raiders, and the immediate fix was the style of play.
And we saw the passion, the relentlessness, the energy that
they played with most, especially when they destroyed the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
They're on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
But the first thing he did when they started the
off season program was, like you said, start to address
that culture. And he said he told his coaches put
the x's and o's on the back burner for a
little bit. Let's focus on chemistry, on continuity, on communication,
on accountability, and focus on our relationships. He said, first
from coaches to coaches, then when the players got into
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the building, coaches to players, and of course in the
locker room, players to players. And he said that was
reflective in how they saw the player's practice. When OTAs began,
the passion, the love for the game, all of that
was on display. So he said it was a success
in that way. And he said, now in this window
between mini camp and training camp is when offensive coordinator
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and Luke Getzie and him get in the lab, and
defensive coordator Patrick Graham and him get in the lab
and figure out now the x's and o's and how
best properly they're going to fit all of these players
into these schemes with the x'es and o's. And you
mentioned the kind of family atmosphere that he has there,
his son DeAndre literally on the staff, so that family
part of the culture there with the Raiders, And a
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similar story with Dave Canalis talking with him a few
weeks ago during their mini camp with the Carolina Panthers
first time head coach, he told me that he wants
to create a culture there where everybody loves to come
to work. He told me that they haven't really spent
too much time focusing on fixing last year. He said,
they have so much on their plate already, trying to
install a new offense, trying to make that defense in
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year two with a evro a little more sophisticated, and
advancing those calls there. And he said that when they
look to training camp, he's gonna want all those guys
to come with the energy and the fire and the passion. Steve,
you know Canalis as well, as I do that. You know,
nobody is more positive in the NFL than him, And
we saw what he's charged to do with Bryce Young.
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And Bryce Young had a football camp earlier this summer
where Andy Dalton showed up, and offensive coordinator Brad Inzick
show up, and owner Nicole Tepper showed up. And I
said to Canalis, what does that show about Bryce Young?
And he said, well, everybody likes and respects Bryce, But
he said, that shows you what type of people we
have in the building that they would go support one
of their own, and that's the type of people you
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can build a culture with. So he's excited to get
that training camp started here in a couple of weeks,
and as well as Antonio Pierce, you know, getting their
new stamps on their new teams here as we get
set for training camp here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, Dave Canal, it's a very positive guy. You talk
about supporting Bryce Young. They've got to support him on
the field by continuing to add to that roster as well.
But we know, Dave Canalis that quarterback whispers. Last two projects,
you know, Smith Baker Mayfield had some outstanding seasons.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Big Oh, appreciate you man. Good stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, let's take a look. You know, we're talking about
Dave Canalis and Antonio Pierce. There are two of eight
new full time head coaches entering twenty twenty four. You're
looking at Raheem Morris in Atlanta, Jim Harbaugh with the
Chargers Dan Quinn and Washington, and Mike McDonald with the
Seattle Seahawks coming over from the Baltimore Ravens. Just bring
in Mark Ross and Mark you know, Mike McDonald, I
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don't think the Seahawks are a team that we have
talked about enough this offseason because it's speaking with people there.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They believe they've.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Got talent, They've already got a pretty good culture established
under Pete Carroll. That's going to change some other Mike McDonald.
But from your perspective, when you look at the Seahawks
and maybe some other teams, what about the mix of
culture and talent and how quickly that can help a
team get going.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know, culture to me is a little bit overused. Steve.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I like to use the winning habits and winning mindset
that you put in a building, and Seattle already has it.
They won a Super Bowl and they've got people in
that building.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
To know how to get it done.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So and now you bring a head coach in there
who comes from a winning organization with the Ravens, but
that get that winning attitude, that winning mindset, those winning habits,
they all stem from a lot of talent. And as
you said, like you you winning games, and it's easier
to sort of enforce that. And they've got talent and
all kinds of we know DK and we know Leonard
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Williams and Mafey, young guys like that that are coming up,
a Witherspoon and Willen in on the secondary.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
They've got a ton of talent.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
So it's easier for him to the head coach to
come in here and say, okay, let's hate what we
already know this organization represents. We got a ton of guys,
and now I'll instill that my winning habits and mindset here.
But the team, for me, that's so the Seattle. Yes,
maybe a little underrated, but the team, if we talk
about culture and winning, is the Chargers, Steve. And that's
because you've got a qui quarterback in sea inusin Herbert,
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who has shown I can be a top five quarterback
in this league. But you have a head coach who
shows every single place I go, I went, whether it's college,
where it's the NFL, let me get a national championship,
let me go to the super Bowl. He has shown
you talk about Coulture, he has done that everywhere. There's
no guess work on what Harball is going to do.
He's going to go in there and win. So you
already have a team with I think got a talent,
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not just a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But you've got Joe Off the first round pick.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
They just drafted Rashawn Slater, maybe the best tackle group
in the league. Hey, Bosa is on the side. Does
Khalil Mack have anything left? So they've got a lot
of intriguing things going there with the charges because there's
no guest work. Last week year with the Texas Ken
Stroud do it, Ken Demika Ryans first time guys. Well
you saw how instantly they got better. Well, now you
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got a proven quarterback and a proven head coach. Watch out, Steve.
That's the team for me that has the best culture
and talent.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, Sharld Ryans did have past Mahomes and the Chiefs
waiting for him in the division either.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But you know what, we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
We're gonna have a little fun at the expense of
our guy, Maurice Jones Drew. Whoa, there he is, running
with the rock, running over people, running from people.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
But his latest adventures, Oh boy, make sure.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
To come back after the break.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
All right now?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
This weekend at Pamplona, Spain, our Maurice Jones Drew, or
as he calls his vacation persona Indiana Jones Drew got
the experience of a lifetime running.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
With the bulls with his daughter.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Here's his account of how his NFL skills translated to
this epic event.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So we running. I'm looking, I'm looking to the left.
I see one you feel me.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
I see this the bull, Me and my baby looking
and then something told.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Me to look straight.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
So I look straight and there's a guy on the
ground right in front of me. I got my baby
in my left hand. She's supposed to be on my
right sid but she on my left side. At this point,
I heard of them. I get over him. I look again.
There's another guy in front down and then two guys
fall over him. So I try to jump cut You
feel me to the left, right into the bull. You
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see what I'm saying. But buddy wouldn't move, so he
tripped me and down there I went. I feel, I feel,
and I took my baby with me.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Mark. That's one of the best things ever.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I just hope he doesn't get a call from like
child Protective Services or something.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I mean, come on, you heard MJD. He's got skills.
You play college football, right are you running with the bulls?
You can jump cut, you can run a daylight.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
And if he went by himself, why's he got his daughter?
Why do he put his daughter in danger? Come on, MJD.
You made a bad dad just doing that. Absolutely not.
I'm meeting top of sipping sipping some rioha. I am
not absolutely not doing that, Steve, come.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
On in man.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I got some questions about the veracity of some of
his account right there. We really think he's jump cutting
and dodging because I believe he went down. Got no
doubts about that one, but we really think he's hurtling.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Get out of here anyway.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I had the opportunity about twenty years ago to roam
with the bulls.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I was all set to do it.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
I was ready, I'd gotten all the courage, and then
I found out that you run at like six in
the morning, and you know, there may have been a
little bit of partying the night before. And was I
really gonna stay up all night or get like one
hour of sleep in the car we were sleeping in
alas I did not, So there was my opportunity at
some point. But when I was a twenty two year
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old college graduate with backpacking across Europe with my buddies,
I polately declined so I could sleep.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
And you went back and got some worse agria later
that night. Gentlemen, I am closer to the grave than
I am the legal drinking age.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
If there's any way you.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Think I'm gonna go and run with the bulls, you
are out of your head.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I'm gonna be sitting there next to Mark Ross in
our beautiful wives, and we're gonna be eating tapus and
drinking some rioha, and we're gonna be watching Ian and
his dreams, reliving his account that he missed twenty years
ago run with the bulls.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Because that is not me. That's real, quick, mj D.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
None of us believes you with the jump cut on,
but the fumbel that's good. I'm glad you held onto
your daughter tomorrow. Come watch this on the inside.
Happen Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody you are watching the Insiders.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I am Steve.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Whitchermar Inglewood, California Newsroom Studios, and that is Ian RAPPI
work from the Rap Cave rap Sheet.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How's everything going? Man back from Greece, ready to go?
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I am back from Greece too? But we missed each other,
you know what? He In a little bit, we're gonna
be joined by Mark Ross, Sarah Walsh and Omar Ruiz
and they're gonna help us get some answers to could
see Jay Stroud, the Texans quarterback, grow into the best
player at his position in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And based on last week's.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hard knocks, are the Giants really all in on quarterback
Daniel Jones? And lastly, is Baltimore's Lamar Jackson the best
dual threat quarterback ever? You will get those answers a
little bit later, But first Ian the big news from
over the weekend. Let's take a look at this picture
from Dak Prescott's own social media account. He's not in
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that walking boot. This from Saturday, July sixth, with two
days earlier. Ian, on July fourth, we saw him in
that walking boot that created all kinds of frenzy what's
going on with Dak? So as we come back to
the show, let's bring it our Mark Ross and Ian,
what can you tell us a little bit about the
walking boot.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Not walking boot and Dak Prescott. It was a very
twenty twenty four situation.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Dak Prescott, as most players are right now away on vacation,
minding his own business. The doc worker ended up snapping
a photo of him wearing a protective walking boot just
kind of stroll into a boat, and everything went crazy
on social media. So we had to get to the
bottom and figure out where it all stands. Here's my
understanding of the situation. On the same foot, the same ankle, essentially,
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the Dak Prescott very famously injured a couple of years ago.
He suffered a very very mild foot spring, so mild
that about a week or so later he was out
of the walking boots. Nothing, as far as I can understand,
nothing that will prevent his participation in training camp, nothing
that will alter the progress that he is making toward
being one hundred percent out in the field when training
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camp begins. It is all good, and the fact that
he was in a boot doesn't necessarily mean anything bad.
Walking boots are structural, they are protective. It's like you
see plenty of times guys players leave a stadium with
a walking but everyone's like, oh no, sometimes it's just
to make sure that he can walk without a limp.
It is going to be okay. And as Dak Prescott
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himself showed us, the fact that he's out of the
walking boot already probably good, great and not.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But let's not diminish this too.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
None of us are going to go put on a
walking boot just to say we put in a walking boot.
There is a little bit of there. There become training camp.
We're not expecting anything big. So Mark, let's get to your.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Front office perspective. Right here, we know Dak is in the.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Final year of that four year, one hundred and sixty
million dollar contract, could in any way the Cowboys, we
have all of his medical records, use something like this
as as leverage, so to speak, and any time a
contract negotiations they may be having.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
That's a great point, Steve, And yes you may think so,
but Ian mentioned the previous injury, the initial injury.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
In twenty What happened after that?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
They gave back the biggest press, the biggest contract in history.
So there's already a precedent that despite a major injury
and now just a preventative one, that they gave him
a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Would preclude them from giving him another huge contract. Of
course that'll come into talks, but when it's all said
and done, I think they'll do that. And you talk
about just the supply and demand. The Cowboys know what's
out there, they know the QB market, and we have
to look no further than just this past summer with
Kirk Cousins, who's thirty five years old and coming off
in Achilles.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
We haven't seen him at all.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
That's not preventative at all, then will he even look
like And the Vikings gave him a four year, one
hundred and eighty million dollar contract. So there's a president
with Dak coming back from an injury and getting dad.
But also just as pass summer with Kirk Cousin, an
older bird of that who got a huge contract.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Fella. So no, I don't think so sry.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That was the Falcons that gave Kirk that contract.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Remember, Dak Prescott is thirty one and based on today's
NFL quarterbacks, He's still kind of a baby in the
way things are going. Now, Dak's injury is mild, but Ian,
let's get to a quarterback who is coming off of
a significant injury, and that's Bengals quarterback Joey Burrow. Now,
Joey said, coming off of that risk surgery that he
had that limited him to you know, just a few
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games last season, that the biggest strides this year are
going to be learning how.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
To get through the season in tip top shape.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
This is the second time he's not been able to
finish the season because of a major injury. We know
he's been tickling the ivories playing the piano to try
to strengthen that risk. But also Ian, you know, the
one thing he said, you know which is interesting here
a lot of players who are hurt saying, you know,
when you're not on the field, people forget about you.
But in typical Joe Burrow with Joe sisty swag says,
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I'm going to give them something to talk about. So
when you know, what is the status of this injury
and what are the Bengals thinking about Joe Burrow as
he comes back from this rest surgery.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
First of all. It sounds like he's doing absolutely fine
from the risk surgery.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Kind of did a on again, off again thing during
mandatory minicamp during the ots, but really just to make
sure that he didn't go too hard. I haven't talked
to anyone who believes there's going to be any issue
going forward with his risk. But we've seen and heard
a lot of Joe Burrow this offseason, whether in Vogue,
which actually is a thing of course, he walked in
some fashion shows along with his old college teammate Justin Jefferson.
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We've seen plenty of interviews like the barstool one and
some others, but he is seeming to me striking the
right courtier. Joe Burrow was awesome, Okay. I mean we've
seen him do almost everything. We've seen him get all
the way in the Super Bowl. We've seen him perform
in clutch moments. We've seen him emerge to being one
of the very very best in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But he knows to be the best to consider.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
To be considered among all of the excellent, excellent quarterbacks
take their teams deep into the playoffs the year after year.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He has to be there. He has to be healthy.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
It is clear from listening just to Burrow's words that
not only is he, as you mentioned, set out to
remind us of how good he is, but he understands
that availability is like the biggest thing. And I would
hope for his sake, for his team's sake, for everything
that we see a little more of a cautious Joe
Burrow just to make sure he stays on the field.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
We saw he did there too when he talked about
Joe Burrow striking a chord.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Of course they're playing the piano.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Now, Mark, you know, we know Joe Burrow's not the
only quarterback coming back from a significant injury. There's Aaron Rodgers,
There's Deshaun Watson, There's Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, let's kind of bring it back into the show.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We be and Aaron Rodgers. Since those are two teams.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
People projecting to go to the playoffs if those two
guys stay healthy. But which one takes their team on
a deeper playoff run?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, this is easy.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It's got to be Joe Burrow and Ian talked about availability.
When Joe Burrow's available, they go to the super Bowl,
they go to the conference championship game.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I mean He's shown you what he can do.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
He's shown you I can beat Patrick Mahomes in the
regular season, so you know what Joe Burrow can do
when he is available. And the Bengals team itself had
nine wins last year, fellas we forget they had nine
wins despite that having Joe Burrow. So they've got a
really great team with maybe top three quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Whereas on the flip side, I know we.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Keep talking about Aaron Rodgers, but the last time we
saw Aaron Rodgers play, he had one of the worst
seasons of his career. And he's a thirty nine years old.
There's no precedent for a thirty nine year old making
a deep run except Tom Brady. We're not comparing to
anybody to Tom Brady. But also coming off that Achilles injury,
there's not a great history or precedent for quarterbacks actually
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even playing well following Achilles. So with the age and
the injury, with Aaron Rodgers, no Joe Burrow's available, he wins.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, hard argue with that mark, even though the Bengals
are in arguably the best top to bottom division right there,
We've got some news right now that has developed this
today about some players, and let's start in Pittsburgh with
their defensive back Cameron Sutton, who they just resigned this
summer after him spending last season with the Lions.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
You have some significant news from two veteran defensive backs,
both dealing with suspensions. We'll start, as you mentioned with
Cam Sutton, the former Lions big ticket free agent, was
released by the Lions after dealing with a domestic violence issue.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Resigned by the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Now we get official word from the NFL that he
has been suspended eight games without pay during the start
of the twenty twenty four season, violent in the NFL's
Personal conduct Policy. Eligible to return October twenty ninth after
the game against the Giants. Sutton has entered a or
did enter a pre trial program in April to resolve
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the domestic violence case. After he turned himself in to
the Hillsboro County Sheriff. He was charged with misdemeanor battery.
As you mentioned, back with these Steelers, but not going
to join them on the field for real until midway
through the season. Meanwhile, to Shawn Gibson, the veteran defensive
back formerly of the forty nine Ers, several teams. Of course,
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to Shaun Gibson, he was suspended last week for valley
in the NFL's ped policy. Released a statement today essentially
taking ownership of the issuest, saying he took a supplement
one time that he thought was safe and legal.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Of course, according to the NFL's policy, it was not.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
He takes full responsibility though for what goes into his body.
He accepts the suspension and looks forward to a thirteenth
season again still unsigned.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Steve, all right, thanks so much for that news, and
now we have to get on to a tragic development
that took place over the weekend in Maryland outside of Washington,
d C. Where a fatal car accident claimed the lives
of three people, including Viking's rookie cornerback Kyrie Jackson Jackson
as well as Isaiah Hazel and.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Anthony Litton Junior.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
We're driving early Saturday morning when, according to investigators, another
car entered their lane and forced.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Their vehicle off the road.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The Vikings released the following statement in the wake of
this horrible news. We're devastated by the news of Kyrie
Jackson's death following an overnight car accident. While we worked
to gather more information. We've spoken to Kyrie's family and
offered the support of the Minnesota Vikings. We've also offered
We've also communicated the news to Vikings players, coaches, and staff,
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and have offered counseling for those who need emotional support.
Our thoughts with Kyrie's family, friends, teammates, and coaches, as
well as the victims of this tragic accident. The NFL
also issued this statement. The NFL family is deeply saddened
and devastated by the passing of Vikings rookie Kyrie Jackson.
Our thoughts and condolences are with his family, loved ones,
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and everybody involved in this tragic accident.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Jackson was a fourth round pick of the.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Vikings in the twenty twenty four drafts out of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
He was twenty four.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
He's right back after the Star, all right, Welcome back
to the Insiders, and now it is time for some
summer superlatives in these final days of player's time off.
Former Panthers MVP Cam Newton recently appeared on The Fourth
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and one Show and he was asked if he was
the best dual threat quarterback of all time. His response, no,
that's Lamar Jackson. He's got big plays, any play, and
he's got speed that I've never had. I do think
Cam is selling himself a little bit short right there,
the former MVP. But you're looking at the highest passer
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rating among these dual threat quarterbacks. It's a label that
we've put on them. You're looking at Russell Wilson one
hundred passer rating, Lamar Jackson's right there at ninety eight,
Cam Newton eighty five point.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Two, and Michael Vick at about eighty.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Jackson's the only play in NFL history to hit fifteen
thousand pass yards and five thousand rush yards in his
career before playing his eleventh season. Jackson is entering his
seventh season. So again, I'm Steve Whiteley and Mark Ross,
and let's start with you. When you hear Cam Newton,
who by the way, is incredibly thoughtful. I love watching
him and see what he's become as a broadcaster kind
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of an analyst. But when he says this about Lamar Jackson,
when you look at Lamar's impact on today's game, at
what he's done for the Ravens, what are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I took notice right because for Cam Newton to you know, annoint,
I would say, maybe, for lack of a better word,
Lamar Jackson is meaningful. I mean, Kim Newton, it's I
think people kind of forget how unbelievably good he was
and how unbelievably revolutionary he was, not just in the NFL,
but then of course before that in college. I mean,
this was the guy who was who was the whole
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team on several teams he was on. And for him
to come out and say, you know, Lamar Jackson is
the best dual threat quarterback of all time, that's something
to me. I say, all right, well that's coming from
where it comes from. That's meaningful. I would also say this,
until Lamar Jackson wins a super Bowl, and I really
do think that it is coming for the Baltimore Ravens
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and their star quarterback, until they go deep, deep into
the playoffs, until he continues to do it year after
year rather than deal with some of the injuries he
has in the past. Then I don't know that the
words of Cam Newton are really.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Going to mean anything. Forget about to us and who
cares about that, But I.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Don't think it's going to mean anything to Lamar Jackson,
because this is a guy who is as team oriented
as anyone could ever want it. So, like the nice
words are nice and fine and meaningful, but I know
that when it comes to what Lamar and the Ravens
and the fans and all of them want, it's more
about the team stuff super Bowls as opposed to the
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individual stuff, which is greatest tool thread quarterback of all time.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
In one hundred percent, right.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Look, Lamar Jackson has done individually and even winning during
the regular season has been unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean, he balls out, he puts up stats.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And he wins, but the ultimate goal for him is
to win those Super Bowls or even get to one.
If he does that, I think he will could be
considered that and will be considered the greatest not just
dual threat quarterback, but one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time. And I think Cam Newton was being very
gracious because what Cam did. He did put a team
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on his back at the Panthers and take them to
the Super Bowl with Philly Brown and the Jericho COACHERI
and Ted Ginton Junior as his receivers there. So Cam
Newton was an absolute phenomenon of force of nature. On
the field, and you talk about revolutionizing the game, it's
sort of the evolution of Randall to Donovan McNabb, Vig
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to Cam and now Lamar. But even when Cam came out,
there was questions whether he could do it. Despite the
history of those doing it and Vic doing it, it was
still hen this guy doing it, and he's saying Lamar
has got something. He doesn't have that speed. But Cam
is sixty five, two hundred and fifty pounds and he
had strength end speed like nobody else. And before the
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touch Pusch, it was the Cam just run over people
at the goal liner.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Shirtyard is that Lee think he used to do?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Big plays?
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Revolutionarizy game, Cam selling himself short, I love, I love
he's giving the young guys flowers. But Cam, you're up
there too, my man.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And don't forget you know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Cam used to get the shack attack type treatment.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
He was taking shots that no other quarterback, especially in
today's game, would be allowed to take. And he played
through a lot of those, maybe even till those led
to the injuries that cut his career a little bit short. Okay,
let's move on to the next summer. Superlative and let's
go to the words of Houston Texans wide receiver Take Dell.
I praise from Dell about his quarterback, the offensive rookie
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of the Year in CJ. Stroud, who said on a
recent edition of I Am Athlete This that's right CJ.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
God to just keep doing what he doing to bridge
the gap between him and my homes man, because I'm
not gonna lie my home special man. W it was
like six years, seventy five super Bowls, six years.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think going to the.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Super Bowl, you know, that's crazy and it's for sure
gonna be a lot of work to get have to
be put in with seven. But I just feel like
if he just keep doing he doing, he on the
right path he started in he started already, So I
feel like we just keep bringing in pieces to help
the team grow.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So Producer Alex Will, can we get to smooth jazz
for the rest of the segment, As I asked Ian,
what does CJ. Stroud have to do to close that
gap on Patrick Mahomes and eventually surpass him to be
that dude?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, first, a little story.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So when I covered Alabama when I was a young
beat writer just twenty six, twenty seven, years old. Covering
for the Birmingham News, I covered a somewhat well known
coach named Nick Saban and when he would hear things
that the media set or things that opponent said, or
his own players, the praise, the endless praise for his team,
had a very endearing word for it, and that was
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rat poison. And so this is what's coming for the
Houston Texans. It is, as a former Alabama superstar Dmika
Ryans knows very well, rat poison.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It is endless people telling them how good they are.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So yes, c J.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Stroud is awesome, and I really do believe Tank Doll.
I mean, he really does have a chance to be
among the greats in the game, certainly among the greats today.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean it's all out there for him. And the
fact that his rookie season.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Was so unbelievably good, in the fact his team seems
primed to go on a big time deep run year
year after year.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's all good.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
But the second year after the big success, these are
the kinds of things that this Houston Texans team is
going to have to deal with. They are not under
the radar. They really are no longer anyone's darlings. They're
not a surprise. Everyone knows they are coming, everyone knows
how good they are, and it's gonna be nothing but praise,
endless praise, And it's just part of like Holmes and
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the Chiefs deal with this a lot. It's part of
what the Texan they're really going to have to get
through the season.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And did you hear the music in the background, were
you feeling it? I did hear that. Mark, We're keeping
it going for you now, that's part of my request.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Really good, thanks Steve, I appreciate it. I would switch
up my theme music, but we'll get that later on
to the producers. But hey, look, you're right, hey, they
do have to avoid the traps and they'll take the
she don't take the cheese and rat poison and all that.
But last year when ces Shroud jumped out there and
he had those huge games, and each week they're saying,
all right, he's going to level off at some point,
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and he just kept getting better and better and better,
and the team kept getting better and everybody around the
confidence just grew and built around it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Demiko Ryan's a phenomenal coach, so to me, Ces Shroud
already is easy.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Top ten quarterback easy knocking on the door of top
five could be top five already in what He's Done
argument Therapy's top five. But yes, the ultimate goal is
to be the man.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You have to beat the.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Man, and I love out Tank Dell gave Patrick's flowers
that he didn't just throw Patrick under the bus and say,
my guys seemed Dave's better than him.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
He acknowledged, Yep, this is the standard. You got to
go beat that guy.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
What Patrick has done has been amazing, but my guy
can do it and he has confidence in it. So yeah, Mark,
don't beat the man, and then we can talk about
you CJ.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But Mark, nobody gets there alone.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And what about the way the Houston Texans are ensuring
at least trying to ensure he continues that trend that
go out and to get Nistefon Diggs, that continue to
fordify that offensive line and they replenish the defense after
they lose some key players.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, that's what they looked at. They're better.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
It looks like a better team last year at this time,
we're just talking about the Texans. Well, maybe they've got
got the young quarterback, rookie rookie head coach. Let's see
what kind of damage. I mean, no one want to.
Ian and I are actually back together training camp there.
Nobody there would have thought they would have done what
they did last year throughout that, so I think they're
even better now.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
The GM there, Nixonsaria said, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
What, I'm going to strike and get and get and
get Diggs, going to get Hunter, and we're going to
make a run at this right now. Our window might
not be opened as long as we think, so let's
take up shots now. We got a ton of young
players with contracts that we can build this around and
make this sustainable for a while. So you know, I
love what they've done so far.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, okay, smooth jazz beautiful For this segment, we're not
the next segment because we're going Hard Knocks. We're looking
at episode one and the Giants in some intriguing discussion
about former running back Saquon Barkley t demn not in
New York might be the man in Philly, though we'll
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talk about that.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
More on The Insider.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Weloc back to the Insiders and tomorrow night, episode number
two of Hard Knocks the off season with the New
York Giants. It drops on HBO and streams on Max.
We hope to see some moments as fascinating as this
one from GM Joe Shanan Company discussing Saquon Barkley to
play episode one. Obviously Saque franchising and trading him.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't think he's realistic.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are we?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Are we positive that nobody is gonna pay him that
kind of.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
Money, Like there's nobody in the draft never there's another
free agents receivers that are gonna they're rather gonna be
going back to their team at twenty million.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean, who would you say would go sign up
running back to that dollar a month team? That's I
mean anyone that has money to spend.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
There's a lot of running backs in free agency.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, but are any potential difference makers?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Really?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Like, after you watch this film.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Even if sak one is number one, you're bored. Do
you imagine anyone's going to have such a gap between
Saque and Jacob's Pollard, Henry whoever else, that they're gonna
want him at twelve million dollars a year or minus
were willing to eat and send.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
A draft pick? Right?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And then if we did, what would somebody realistically give up?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I just think all the team doesn't think they need
a running back, and look at do you feel good
about eating three to four million for a fifth round packer?
I don't know, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
There's no guarantee we from training, so, you know, having
the needs that we have and a four million dollars
twenty seven year old.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Part interesting interesting stuff. I'm joined by Mark Ross and
Ian Rappaport.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Mark, let's start with you, because you've been in those
discussions when you were with the Giants and the Eagles,
and what did you take from what they were saying
about first off, examining the teams and then paying Saquon
and upwards of twelve million dollars in comparing to the
other running backs, and then how they were measuring him
and how he would fit on their roster.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, in first we got to know what the production is.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
What was that spiced a little bit to make it
seem good for TV?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
We don't know what. Let's just say it was.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's what they do. It's edited, of course.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I know.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
But so but you go through all of that when
you're in those meetings. They gave you a nice little
snippet of Look, these meetings go on forever, you know,
that wasn't just a five minute meeting that they had,
and everybody's in there. This has been talked about four
months throughout the whole year, really and pro scouts got
there and stack the board, and you get with your
cap guys, you get with your college evaluation team, and
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you stack everything together.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You talk about all.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
These different scenarios with your own players, with free agents,
with the draft that's coming up, and you try to
build the best team for you come up with the
best game plan for where you are financially, where you
are as a team. So that little couple minutes snippet
is really months and months and months of preparation and
work that the whole entire personnel department goes through. So
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with the Giants in particular, that the big decision, as
we knew the last year or two was what to
do with Daniel Jones, what to do with Sakuon Barkley.
You know, up until the very end of how to
handle both of those contracts. Who to prioritize, who you
think you can get done and who would be easier
to do. What's the value of a quarterback versus the
running back, what's the upside, what's the potential. So that
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little snippet there definitely chance light on it, but you know,
don't want to short change with the personnel department because
there's not a lot of months and months of work
that go into these decisions and these meetings.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So episode one great.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I've seen Episode two, which airs tomorrow, I think also excellent.
It's a rare look into the business side of football
which we haven't really seen, and seeing general manager top
lieutenants discuss pretty openly the value that they put on
players is really fascinating. I think it's the kind of
thing that we almost never get now. The fact that
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they didn't think that somebody would pay Saguon Barkley more
than twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And give up a draft pick is accurate. I also
think nobody would have done that. Somebody did end up.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Paying Saguon Barkley more than twelve million dollars, but then
by that point the salary cap number was much higher
than I think everyone anticipated. What I take from this
really is more philosophical than anything. It's more fundamental for
the Giants with general manager Joe Shane wants to bring
than anything. Is it worth it for the Giants to
pay a running back twelve million dollars? Do they believe
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that that is good value to be a twenty seven
year old running back twelve million dollars? And they said
pretty openly in another clip of Hard Knocks that there
is a line where running backs at the age of
twenty seven historically start to go the wrong way. The
stats are what the stats are. We will see where
the Giants end up. A lot of things are going
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to play out, But I was just really fascinated philosophically
that paying twelve million dollars for running back day is
just not something they really really wanted to do, even
with the player is very very special and they know
this as Saquon Barkley is.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, you know what's interesting, and you mentioned that twenty
seven year old drop dead dayto to speak, if they
said the decline, we'll see how he declines behind that
very good Philadelphia Eagles Yeah, offensive loss this year.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
There's also this, and you guys have heard this.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
They didn't win with Saquan as great as he was,
as dynamic as he was, they lost ball games with
him and Mark This is where I want to get
to you because one thing Joe Shane did say is
that the priority should be with their money is fortifying
their quarterback Daniel.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Jones so they can figure out what he is.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
How much did that that little episode, the ended episode
that we saw tell you that this is the season
to show and prove for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Well, it's interesting I heard the argument about they didn't
win with Saquon. Well, they don't win with Daniel Jones either.
So they actually hi Rod Taylor and Tommy Cutler's Tommy
DeVito when they played the offense of what played better
and they were more efficient when those two guys were
on the field and not Daniel Jones. So the argument that, well,
we just need to get them a line and we
need to do this for him, it might be a
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little bit of fool's goal because you put two other
quarterbacks in there that had to deal with the same
situation and they played better. And the best version of
Daniel Jones that we've seen is when Saquon Burt Barkley
is with him. So this is the great unknown whether
he can actually be okay competent without Saquon. And here
comes from Elie Neighbors and he's got to save the day.
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So that's the huge question For me, it's not just
been this year with Daniel doings proven, It's been.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
The last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
But the Giants brass otherwise and thought he had a
lot more to offer. But you know, I haven't really
seen a lot of Daniel Jones that think he can
compete with the big guys there in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Dean Well, they.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Did make a run two years ago when he was
fully healthy, and I know it was a kind of
a Cinderella type season, but there he was leading them
into exactly where every team wants to go.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And I would say this, you're right.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean with Sakuon is a great player, and when
he has been healthy, he has absolutely helped the Giants
win football games if they're going to go where they
want to go. We have seen teams all across the
NFL it is with star quarterbacks. With Daniel Jones turn
into the star quarterback, the Giants hope that's all going
to play out on the field. But using that money
fortify the offensive line and such, to me, I think
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makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You know, the last great real inside linebacker was for
the New York Giants guys Antonio Piers and Antonio Pierce
is one of a handful of new coaches who are
trying to change the culture of their ball clubs.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
We're gonna talk about ap and.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Some other new coaches as they get set for.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Training camp and the difference they can make.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's next on the inside.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Let's do what we do, boy, let's do what we
do we specially the night. All right, crazy lads, get
some jews down. Let's go up top.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Huh up top.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, let's go k like it, like it.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Pound them, pound them, pound them, pound them.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Let's get the ball off this fit sack of the game.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You can't keep this d line down, John Cope, You're
gonna get chance to see before man, that's awesome seeing
what you're.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Doing as a former player.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Right, they're gonna Raiders coach Antonio Pierce as we're joined
by our own Omar Ruiz. Antonio Pierce takes over midway
last season with the Raiders. Omar he goes five, I
even four as interim, gets the full time job after
they flirted with some other candidates. But there's a lot
of new coaches here and one of the big thing
they're trying to establish is culture. It looks like ap
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got a head start on that as opposed to some
other coaches like Dave Canalis who were starting fresh.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
Yeah, you mentioned it. Steve the five and four of
the nine games as interim head coach he had with
the Raiders, and the immediate fix was the style of play.
And we saw the passion, the relentlessness, the energy that
they played with most, especially when they destroyed the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
They're on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
But the first thing he did when they started the
off season program was, like you said, start to address
that culture. And he said he told his coaches put
the x's and o's on the back burner for a
little bit. Let's focus on chemistry, on continuity, on communication,
on accountability, and focus on our relationships. He said, first
from coaches to coaches, then when the players got into
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the building, coaches to players, and of course in the
locker room, players to players. And he said that was
reflective in how they saw the player's practice. When OTAs began,
the passion, the love for the game, all of that
was on display. So he said it was a success
in that way. And he said, now in this window
between mini camp and training camp is when offensive coordinator
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and Luke Getzie and him get in the lab, and
defensive coordator Patrick Graham and him get in the lab
and figure out now the x's and o's and how
best properly they're going to fit all of these players
into these schemes with the x'es and o's. And you
mentioned the kind of family atmosphere that he has there,
his son DeAndre literally on the staff, so that family
part of the culture there with the Raiders, And a
(30:37):
similar story with Dave Canalis talking with him a few
weeks ago during their mini camp with the Carolina Panthers
first time head coach, he told me that he wants
to create a culture there where everybody loves to come
to work. He told me that they haven't really spent
too much time focusing on fixing last year. He said,
they have so much on their plate already, trying to
install a new offense, trying to make that defense in
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year two with a evro a little more sophisticated, and
advancing those calls there. And he said that when they
look to training camp, he's gonna want all those guys
to come with the energy and the fire and the passion. Steve,
you know Canalis as well, as I do that. You know,
nobody is more positive in the NFL than him, And
we saw what he's charged to do with Bryce Young.
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And Bryce Young had a football camp earlier this summer
where Andy Dalton showed up, and offensive coordinator Brad Inzick
show up, and owner Nicole Tepper showed up. And I
said to Canalis, what does that show about Bryce Young?
And he said, well, everybody likes and respects Bryce, But
he said, that shows you what type of people we
have in the building that they would go support one
of their own, and that's the type of people you
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can build a culture with. So he's excited to get
that training camp started here in a couple of weeks,
and as well as Antonio Pierce, you know, getting their
new stamps on their new teams here as we get
set for training camp here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, Dave Canal, it's a very positive guy. You talk
about supporting Bryce Young. They've got to support him on
the field by continuing to add to that roster as well.
But we know, Dave Canalis that quarterback whispers. Last two projects,
you know, Smith Baker Mayfield had some outstanding seasons.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Big Oh, appreciate you man. Good stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, let's take a look. You know, we're talking about
Dave Canalis and Antonio Pierce. There are two of eight
new full time head coaches entering twenty twenty four. You're
looking at Raheem Morris in Atlanta, Jim Harbaugh with the
Chargers Dan Quinn and Washington, and Mike McDonald with the
Seattle Seahawks coming over from the Baltimore Ravens. Just bring
in Mark Ross and Mark you know, Mike McDonald, I
(32:32):
don't think the Seahawks are a team that we have
talked about enough this offseason because it's speaking with people there.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They believe they've.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Got talent, They've already got a pretty good culture established
under Pete Carroll. That's going to change some other Mike McDonald.
But from your perspective, when you look at the Seahawks
and maybe some other teams, what about the mix of
culture and talent and how quickly that can help a
team get going.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know, culture to me is a little bit overused. Steve.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I like to use the winning habits and winning mindset
that you put in a building, and Seattle already has it.
They won a Super Bowl and they've got people in
that building.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
To know how to get it done.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
So and now you bring a head coach in there
who comes from a winning organization with the Ravens, but
that get that winning attitude, that winning mindset, those winning habits,
they all stem from a lot of talent. And as
you said, like you you winning games, and it's easier
to sort of enforce that. And they've got talent and
all kinds of we know DK and we know Leonard
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Williams and Mafey, young guys like that that are coming up,
a Witherspoon and Willen in on the secondary.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
They've got a ton of talent.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
So it's easier for him to the head coach to
come in here and say, okay, let's hate what we
already know this organization represents. We got a ton of guys,
and now I'll instill that my winning habits and mindset here.
But the team, for me, that's so the Seattle. Yes,
maybe a little underrated, but the team, if we talk
about culture and winning, is the Chargers, Steve. And that's
because you've got a qui quarterback in sea inusin Herbert,
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who has shown I can be a top five quarterback
in this league. But you have a head coach who
shows every single place I go, I went, whether it's college,
where it's the NFL, let me get a national championship,
let me go to the super Bowl. He has shown
you talk about Coulture, he has done that everywhere. There's
no guess work on what Harball is going to do.
He's going to go in there and win. So you
already have a team with I think got a talent,
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not just a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But you've got Joe Off the first round pick.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
They just drafted Rashawn Slater, maybe the best tackle group
in the league. Hey, Bosa is on the side. Does
Khalil Mack have anything left? So they've got a lot
of intriguing things going there with the charges because there's
no guest work. Last week year with the Texas Ken
Stroud do it, Ken Demika Ryans first time guys. Well
you saw how instantly they got better. Well, now you
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got a proven quarterback and a proven head coach. Watch out, Steve.
That's the team for me that has the best culture
and talent.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, Sharld Ryans did have past Mahomes and the Chiefs
waiting for him in the division either.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But you know what, we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
We're gonna have a little fun at the expense of
our guy, Maurice Jones Drew. Whoa, there he is, running
with the rock, running over people, running from people.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
But his latest adventures, Oh boy, make sure.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
To come back after the break.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
All right now?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
This weekend at Pamplona, Spain, our Maurice Jones Drew, or
as he calls his vacation persona Indiana Jones Drew got
the experience of a lifetime running.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
With the bulls with his daughter.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Here's his account of how his NFL skills translated to
this epic event.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So we running. I'm looking, I'm looking to the left.
I see one you feel me.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
I see this the bull, Me and my baby looking
and then something told.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Me to look straight.
Speaker 9 (35:53):
So I look straight and there's a guy on the
ground right in front of me. I got my baby
in my left hand. She's supposed to be on my
right sid but she on my left side. At this point,
I heard of them. I get over him. I look again.
There's another guy in front down and then two guys
fall over him. So I try to jump cut You
feel me to the left, right into the bull. You
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see what I'm saying. But buddy wouldn't move, so he
tripped me and down there I went. I feel, I feel,
and I took my baby with me.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Mark. That's one of the best things ever.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I just hope he doesn't get a call from like
child Protective Services or something.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I mean, come on, you heard MJD. He's got skills.
You play college football, right are you running with the bulls?
You can jump cut, you can run a daylight.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
And if he went by himself, why's he got his daughter?
Why do he put his daughter in danger? Come on, MJD.
You made a bad dad just doing that. Absolutely not.
I'm meeting top of sipping sipping some rioha. I am
not absolutely not doing that, Steve, come.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
On in man.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I got some questions about the veracity of some of
his account right there. We really think he's jump cutting
and dodging because I believe he went down. Got no
doubts about that one, but we really think he's hurtling.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Get out of here anyway.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I had the opportunity about twenty years ago to roam
with the bulls.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I was all set to do it.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
I was ready, I'd gotten all the courage, and then
I found out that you run at like six in
the morning, and you know, there may have been a
little bit of partying the night before. And was I
really gonna stay up all night or get like one
hour of sleep in the car we were sleeping in
alas I did not, So there was my opportunity at
some point. But when I was a twenty two year
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old college graduate with backpacking across Europe with my buddies,
I polately declined so I could sleep.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
And you went back and got some worse agria later
that night. Gentlemen, I am closer to the grave than
I am the legal drinking age.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
If there's any way you.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Think I'm gonna go and run with the bulls, you
are out of your head.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I'm gonna be sitting there next to Mark Ross in
our beautiful wives, and we're gonna be eating tapus and
drinking some rioha, and we're gonna be watching Ian and
his dreams, reliving his account that he missed twenty years
ago run with the bulls.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Because that is not me. That's real, quick, mj D.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
None of us believes you with the jump cut on,
but the fumbel that's good. I'm glad you held onto
your daughter tomorrow. Come watch this on the inside.
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