NFL Daily: Radio Row Day 1: Justin Jefferson, Jaxson Dart, Mac Jones and Brandon Graham

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where Super Bowl sixty is off
and running. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Moscone Center.
It's surrounded by some of my favorite people on earth.
Nick Shook, the man who I haven't even been able
to talk to except for on air, my favorite kind

(00:24):
of relationship, Jordan Rodrigue next to him and sitting in
for the top of the show. What a nice treat
for the news. Will Gavin from talkSPORT, who frankly is
part of the NFL Daily family worthy.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
The best to last. Clearly that's what he was doing.
Thank you, guys, thank you for having me. This is amazing.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's it's all because we just want to self promote myself.
Will and Ross Tucker will be calling the Super Bowl
for Talk Sports, So if you're in a position to
listen to that or watch that on YouTube, check that out.
But that's not till Sunday. And we got a whole
big week ahead, So many cool guests lined up throughout
the week and especially today. Justin Jefferson is coming up

(01:09):
on the show, Jackson Dart is coming up on the show.
I cannot wait to talk to Mac Jones baby, and
who else do we have? I believe Brandon Graham is
going to join us as well today too, and then
a lot of great guests throughout the course of the week.
But just setting the scene, let's start with Shoo, because

(01:30):
you've been in San Francisco now for a few days.
You've been embedded with the Patriots. I want to get
some takeaways from your Patriots in a little bit, but
just sort of the overall how's the Super Bowl been,
because frankly, I just got off a plane and we
came straight here from a plane.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, first off, welcome to San Francisco, where it's probably
a little bit chilly compared to what you were dealing
with in La the warmer tenths in February. For me,
the opposite came from five degrees to sixty five. I've
been sweating walking around the city all week, but there's
been a buzz in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's very exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
There's sign all over the place.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I'm seeing pop up shops going up on every corner
of every block. You can find a coffee shop anywhere.
There's people all over the place.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
It's a great time.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
He's excited.

Speaker 7 (02:11):
Yes, he's in a city where there's a coffee shop
every corner.

Speaker 8 (02:19):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I think having the Pro Bowl in town this week
has made a massive difference to how busy it's been.
Like we normally come in on Monday and there's not
a huge amount going on, and instead it's just been
already three absolutely manic days. It's absolutely packed here today
on Radio Row, and it's just ramping up and ramping up.
I'm not sure I'm going to be ready to get
to as high as we're going to be by the
time it gets to sick.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's a good call about the Pro Bowl, which has
lots of problems. It's almost all problems at this point.
Even my son, who annually just loves the Pro Bowl
and the Pro Bowl games, somewhere around the third quarter
of that flag football game, started to get angry and
actually was like searching on my computer about like are

(02:58):
they going to cancel the Pro Bowl? You know what's
he misses the games. There's a lot going on. But
the big positive is, yes, you get some of the players,
big time players earlier on in the week and you
see that so to set the state at stage. Every
Radio Row kind of has a similar vibe.

Speaker 9 (03:13):
But you know, overstimulated, it's overstimulated iHeart has set us
up with a beautiful stage here, but like as we're
waiting to go on, you know, right behind us literally
as we arrive, like Aaron Jones just standing there, Christian
McCaffrey's standing there talking to Brian Baldinger.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
And that's just how Radio Row and this week is
gonna be. So we're really looking forward to it. We're
gonna do in this show just a little bit of news,
we're gonna get some takeaways from Nick, and we're just
gonna enjoy our time with Bill Gavin while we have
it early in the week.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
To come on your show.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And now that's I mean, you got a long way
to go. Let's just start with the the news about
Drake May and his shoulder that weirdly we haven't really
talked about here at all, and I have thought that
it's potentially more of an issue than maybe the Patriots
have been leading on. You don't just sit out of
practice for no reason. I don't think you said he

(04:10):
sat out of practice because he was hurt. He said
he felt better coming off the plane than he felt
coming on, which you know says it was a factor
for him as late as when he got onto that plane.
Let's actually listen to Drake May in one of his
many already media appearances so far this week.

Speaker 10 (04:28):
Yeah, I'm feeling great, you know, I'm so fortunate to
be out here with these guys. You got full with
your practice, you knows, felt good, you know, on Monday,
and looking forward to get backut there today and tomorrow
and Friday and having a normal week.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So looking forward to that and feeling good.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, And my guy, you know, he seems he seems loose,
he seems happy, He seems like a young man. I
just every time I look at Drake May, it just
strikes me that, like he is a child.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
It should be the youngest call back to win the
Super Bowl, Old Tommy.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Because right so, But just the like even as an
average twenty three year old goes, he gives up like
a very young vibe. Being around the Patriots a little bit.
Any thoughts on the injury shook in just what you've
seen out of May this week. I was a little
worried he might be kind of like stiff and overwhelmed,
but he seems he seems fine now. He seems like

(05:17):
the same always.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
He seems very built for the moment.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Actually There's been a gaggle of media surrounding him anytime
you try to find him at these availability sessions, and
he seems like he's handling the entire pressure of it,
the notoriety of it, really well. I'm most curious by
how somebody turns a corner on a plane when it
comes to health, because when I you know, because when

(05:39):
I'm on planes, I end up coming off very stiff.
So I'm happy that he had the opposite effect, and
then he seems to be trending toward playing. It's funny, though,
that we look at the Super Bowl and we think
about the other quarterback on the other side was the
one that was all worried about injuries throughout most of
the postseason.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Now we got Drake May involved.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think both of them are going to be fine,
but it's something that we have to continue to track.
It doesn't seem like a big storyline or something that
they're really concerned.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
About right now.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
It's something we won't really know until the game happens,
and even then, you're not, like, there's no question obviously
both of them are starting if there was anything really wrong,
But I think there probably was a moment after that
game when maybe there was some real concerns about may
inside that building.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
I mean, I don't want to speculate, so I'll now
proceed to speculate, like the attrition and the reps that
he's taken over the course of the season. He mentioned
it flat out before Super Bowl media week even began,
a week before even the gap week between the AFC
Championship game and this whole media circus and all of that.
He was talking about how many times he had thrown

(06:36):
over the course of the season. For me, my alarm
signal goes off in my head of like, oh, so
they're going to try to rest him a little bit,
especially in that gap week, because he has the reps
he doesn't need to get any more rapport. The game
install actually starts this week, the week of the Super Bowl,
so it's fresh in players minds. So yeah, I think
at best it's probably just a rest scenario because he's

(06:58):
been feeling it.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, because this is the gap we four Other than
some extra rest, do you have the extra week at
your disposal?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
The lay you're concerned for me is maybe he's a
little mentally tired that that sequence they showed on NFL
films where he says to Josh McDaniels like, this is
really hard. I don't know if you saw that, Will
like He's just like, this is really hard. And everyone
gave Josh McDaniels some credit for saying, yeah, it's like
it's it's gonna be hard six and a half minutes,
and I think it was taken like a tiny bit

(07:24):
out of context. It wasn't just the Broncos are hard
and I'm getting killed. It was I can't I can't see,
you can't see, you can't grip the ball. They were
going against the wind. It was it was a very
unique scenario. But he has played his worst football in
the playoffs. It is the most difficult defenses that he's played.
It's been difficult conditions. And what you said in terms

(07:44):
of all the reps he's taken like we are so
passed whatever unc season would have ended. I mean, they're
not even making bowls half the time, Like that thing
was over six months ago and he's having a push pass.
So should I be worried about my guy?

Speaker 11 (07:58):
No?

Speaker 8 (07:58):
No, I don't think you should be worried about your guy.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Told each about him being young, but the maturity I
think he showed in both that moment and then in
the moment that's been much talked about, the naked boot
on the fourth down, which picks up that first down
which ends the game. Basically, we spoke to a number
of guys about that, Michael, and when we spoke with
Ashton Grant, the quarterbacks coach, and with Todd Downey as well,
and for all of them, they're like, I didn't really

(08:19):
realize there was all that conversation about the fact that
the lineman didn't know he was going to do it,
but apparently he and Josh McDaniels discussed it on the sideline.
He said he wanted to do it, Josh gave him
the autonomy to do it, and it was his decision, yeah,
to not tell anyone. So I think he is a
level of confidence that is exactly right for this moment.
I think he is going to approach it in all
the right ways. And I was amazed by his maturity

(08:40):
every time, Like we only see him an opening night.
I've not been back and forth to Santa Clara to
go and hang out with all the patriots like like
shuk has.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
But I'd sound a little better about that.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
No, No, I'm absolutely fine with the bus every day.
That's that's not a problem.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I forgot that. You know, will Gavin boots on the
ground for days, we can tap into that. Let's listen
to Mike Donald talking about Sam Darnold and his workload
throughout the week in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 12 (09:07):
Well, we'll see today, We'll see today. It's definitely gradually
increasing by the day, So some days more than others.
But he's in a great spot. And no, he's really confident.
We'll see how today plays out. Not tally sure how
many throws or what percentage throws. I can't really give
you right now.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay, so we think Donald, if he was healthy enough
to have that sort of performance in the NFC Championship,
I'm not worried, even in the slightest. And I think
he's been kind of embracing the media night of it all.
I've appreciated that, Like Mike McDonald definitely lets his guys be. Yeah,
they are because they've kind of been let loose on

(09:47):
this city, and I think they are kind of enjoying
being in the super Bowl. As I see Ricky Hollywood,
this is an amazing legend. He runs away and what
have you seen out of the Seahawks and it starts there.

Speaker 13 (10:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I have to say, like opening Night in previous years,
there's always been like generally you've seen one team who
come in super loose, particularly if they've been Super Bowls before,
particularly they have that experience, and then you maybe see
another team who come in a little bit tense, a
little bit kind of not ready for the moment.

Speaker 13 (10:18):
I thought, and it kind of helped.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
The Opening night this year. Instead of being in a
stadium with thousands of fans and kind of all that
rigmarole around it, it was in a convention center. It
was kind of quiet in there. You could actually have
conversations with people, which was I don't know if those
of us have been covering for a while, was kind
of delightful, refreshing.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, I certainly enjoyed myself a little bit more, even
if the TV product wasn't as good, and both teams
came out seemingly super relaxed, seemingly super like just ready
for the moment. And I think there is a huge
amount of experience on the coaching staffs, particularly of the Patriots,
that allow them to lean on that allow them to
lean on the experience of those above them, if it's

(10:55):
not going to come from a playing side.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Some other injury news. Robert Spalane has talked openly the
linebacker of the Patriots that he is expected to play
in the Super Bowl. Harold Landry sounds positive. So you
know this is not a game that's going to be dominated.
I don't think by like injury stories during the week
while we got you shook, you know, right off the top.
I don't know if Will needs to go and.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I know I'm good.

Speaker 11 (11:19):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
My wife just texts me she's obviously seen a photo
that saying the great Will Cavin Shockett Tour of twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
Yeah, the Super Bowl so far.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, we need to keep a counter on how many
times you sign autographs for people, if.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I have actually been keeping accountter on how many of
yous have done this week.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
And to set the scene, I mean, obviously we have
one of the most famous people in NFL media on
our stage right now. To set the scene up, an
entire like thirty rack of wings just walked by on
a platter. The cast of Workaholics is just behind Greg.
It's very hard to focus on Greg talking right now
because there's Red Solo Cups happening as well.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
This is Radio row in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I want to hear from you, Shook, some take. I'm
gonna put you on the spot before we race through
just a couple of little items of news and then
get to our interviews. Takeaways from your time so far
with the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
You know, I think it's interesting that this is a
team that, yes, they have a history of being at
the super Bowl, but this roster does not.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yet.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
They have a coach who has a history of playing
in the super Bowl, so you think, okay, you're gonna
come up with experience. You have Josh McDaniels on that staff,
there's a number of other coaches. I just spent a
lot of time talking with Doug Moron today about the
offensive line, and the prevailing theme that I get from
every interaction with every player, no matter which side of
the ball they play on or what role they fill
in this team is that they are a tight knit group.

(12:36):
Togetherness seems to be dominating their whole process and how
they got here. I don't know if I've seen and
this may sound hyperbolic, and I acknowledge that, but I
don't know if I've seen in my this is not
my sixth super Bowl a team that just seems so
tight knit coming to the Super Bowl like this. And
while they may be the underdog and they may be
the team that most expect.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
To lose or whatever that, what have you, they sure
seem to believe a.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Lot in themselves right now. And it's because they all
have each other's best.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
I really shook mentioning Doug Maroon.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So I've been saying this last few days that coaching
stuff feels like a proper island of misfit toys, like
I mentioned Todd Downing already, Ashton Grant and the quarterback
coach who's thirty years old and never played in the
NFL that came through the diversity program, the Bill Watshed
diversity Program. Like it's a really interesting room of people
and ideas, and seemingly it's been encouraged by both Josh
McDaniels and at the head coaching position to really be
like a melting pot of ideas. I think it's really interesting.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
One of Rabel's best talents is hiring people.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
He's very very good at it.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
And we joked at the beginning of the year that yes,
you hired Josh McDaniels, who's kind of coming into his
like fifth or sixth era in a really refreshing way
as an offensive coordinator, But you also set about hiring
a lot of people to make up for the fact
that Josh McDaniels is a very specific type of coach
who's not necessarily going to be the player guy who's

(13:53):
going to lead the room in that way. But they
also have they have such a complimentary skill set staff.
Thomas Brown who won a Super Bowl with the Rams,
like he's over there now, like he's in the room too,
And and these are people who they all have some
sort of pocket of experience at this highest level. And
I and I think Seattle, on the converse, is built

(14:14):
that way too, with with some of the pockets of
experience within the staff.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
And as Rob Gronkowski told me earlier, the offensive cold
nights worth of old time.

Speaker 8 (14:25):
So there you go.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
That's for But I love I love all these guys
that are saying that because they're like specifically specifically and like, hey,
they're they're valid, and I mean, he's he's got the
chips right, But but it is funny because it's like,
you know, hey, we're we're in we're in the pocket here.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
With Josh McDaniel's I love that. Hold hold that thought
on grond We actually are gonna feature him in just
a minute. But before that, I did want to get
your your takeaways, like it was gonna be three takeaways.
That was one fire off the last two.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
That's the prevailing one for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
The second one is this team is such an interesting
blend of rookies and veterans, and they, for some reason
have found this. Maybe it's a secret saucer or a
perfect like concoction of balance between the two. You talk
to Will Campbell and Jared Wilson, a couple of rookie
offensive linemen. They're getting a lot of attention. They manned
the left side of the line. Of course, it's an
easy storyline to follow in this week, and yet they
continue to mention how not only that the veterans are

(15:20):
important in their development, but how they keep them honest.
How they told each of them, you guys spoil you
don't understand how hard it is to get here, and
you're just doing this in year one. And I think
that dynamic is very interesting for this team, given the
fact that none of them have really been here safe
for a handful of The Patriots have five and the
Seahawks have three players of Super Bowl experience, so the
majority of them have not been here, and yet they
have enough combined experience and youthful talent. Then it makes

(15:43):
for an interesting blend that I'm very curious to see
how it'll match up with the Seahawks on Sunday, who
are very similar in some ways.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I like, look at these two teams and it really
bothers me that I seem like reporters a couple like
people that seem to know ball, that seem to like ball,
that are like this super Bowl is not doing it.
Just it feels like there's like less. I just I'm
just like I'm having a hard time like getting excited for.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
Like to the most interesting, like truly interesting, the way
they're built, the pivots in some cases, the infrastructure, the
organizational infrastructure, to the most interesting teams inall this season.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
You even like ball, like because see Seattle, I don't
We're gonna get one more point on the Patriots and
it obviously fly. Okay, We've talked to a lot of Patriots,
but if you look at where Seattle was and the
way way that they've built their team through these draft
picks and free agency and the trades, and the way

(16:47):
that they play defense where they they are the they
are the cutting edge, and obviously Darnald's story and an
electric like first team All Pro in JS. I just
I don't get I love the little I mean what
you you want? You want the Eagles and the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Again exactly, let's don't forget the biggest story on the
other side of the problem, which is defensive coordinates. To
Adam too, we had some talk and he's he's sensectional.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
I think I'm so happy you did. I'm happy you
brought him up. You know what was really cool? Will
you'll love this is so the London Warriors, the football team,
the British football team that that he kind of came
up around. F a Obata is a product of the
London Warriors.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Half of the team.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
So they are all still a lot of those guys
that are all still friends with each other, half of
that team and coaching staff and organization quote unquote, because
it's a little more on the casual side, no no
disrespect meant came over to the States to that Seattle
Rams game at Sofi Stadium to support Ad and Dirty.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
It was the coolest thing. I I love it, I
love I love his story. He's a great coach. Coaches
I talked to on that staff are so oh hi
on him to be a future head coach. It's I'm
excited for him.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
And if you want to say, you know, do you
even love ball? The people that say the Super Bowl
that lacks juice? You just mentioned the Seahawks defense. They
are on the cutting edge. They bring up a blueprint
that every other team is going to try to mimic
in the years to come, but you need personnel to
make it work. That matchup against Josh McDaniels, a guy
who all these players just said is one of the best,
if not the best, offensive coordinator.

Speaker 8 (18:22):
How could you not like that alone?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, come on now, I just feel like, all this is.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
The mean, This is the mean. This is Mike McDonald,
this is the meme.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
It's the the grim Reaper going down the hallway of doors.
It's Kyle Shanahans, it's Sean mcvaks. Now it's Josh McDaniel's
coming up the offensive scheme lords, Mike McDonald's coming for him.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
All I like that. But what's what you missed there
is Zach Kerr as his own and everyone's like, who's
Zach Kerr? He's crossing off quarterbacks and Sam Darnold Unlike
the last couple. I like this new theory we're thrown
out there that you know, he so familiar with the
NFC West teams that that this will you know that
he got comfortable, that his eyes got a little faster

(19:06):
in a positive way. Let's hit you know, speaking of
you know, all time great coaches. Nathaniel Hacketts back in
the league. He's the offensive coordinator of the Cardinals. Uh
just just quickly, I got you guys that one.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah, I was like, you had me in the first half.
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
So okay, so a lot of times when a head
coach is going to be a play caller, Michael Flora
said he's going to be a play caller. On its face,
obviously this is a very eyebrow raising higher because at.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
The end, well, the Cardinals, if I didn't say that
my fault.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
As the offensive coordinator and and Nathaniel Hackett was obviously
a complete disaster as as a head coach. But part
of The reason he became beloved to play calling head coaches,
including Matt Lafleur Mike Wilfloor's brother, is because there's a
lot of stuff that the play caller as a head
coach cannot do infrastructurally and in install and in meetings

(19:56):
and all these types of things just can't do. It
has to be in all of parts of the building.
You hire someone with experience doing sort of that secondary
work like that. To me, that's what this hire looks like.
And if you go below the surface of it, not
saying it's a good idea necessarily, but I can understand
the process behind.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It, and hey, maybe al Roach just becomes an Arizona colf.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
It also doesn't change the vibe of like, hey, we
were the tenth team to hire a head coach, that
he wasn't one of our top three or four picks,
and that he's not getting his topics. So I hope
they're able to change that around. Frank w Reich becoming
the offensive coordinator in New York with the Jets has
a similar type of vibe. Now, Frank Reich has some

(20:39):
great years running offenses in the NFL, and they weren't
that long ago. But his last couple of years Carolina
and with the Colts did not go well. He's familiar
with Stanford. Yeah, Aaron Glenn going, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
Even counting that recent for recent.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's a tricky one. So good luck to that man.
And and uh, the Washington Post. I did want to
just mention how heartbroken we are about them basically shuttering
their sports pages. I hate that a frequent guest de
Sean Reed had just gone there to cover the Commanders.
But you could just list so many great uh sports

(21:16):
writers and calumnists over the years that I have worked for
that paper, and it's just horrible what they did there.
Before we let you go, though, Will.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Sorry, I'd like I agree with, I absolutely agree with
everything you said there. And it was an important and
somber moment. But the whole way through it, there was
a dancing dog directly behind you doing routines. And that's
the most radio row moment of my.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Entire weal of man, somebody from dog Tea.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
They focused, they focused, Will, We're about to give you
some pop, and I know how you love pop. So
you mentioned Gronk earlier. Uh, he will be featured actually
in this little clip that our you know, great producer
Eric Roberts clipped months ago just hoping for the moment

(22:01):
when it would come in handy. And now that moment
has come. Will who's been calling these games for Talk Sport,
and he's gotten some attention for it.

Speaker 14 (22:09):
We're underreacting to the emergence of the next great voice
in play by play. And I'm very sad that the
international slate is over for twenty twenty five. I need
more Will Gavin in My Life, CBS, Fox, Westwood One, ESPN, Netflix, YouTube,
whoever it is, please make a call to the UK

(22:30):
and scoop him up.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Bring him here.

Speaker 14 (22:31):
Gronk is on the show.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
We're going to talk you know.

Speaker 14 (22:34):
Hey, yeah, you know, some people at Fox call him up,
maybe give him a couple of reps.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
That was an incredible.

Speaker 11 (22:39):
Call, Gavin, Just that we're having some Gavin.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Now, would you.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Like to know the worst part about that clip?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
What that you play it to yourself every morning, is
that you're alarm so much.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Worse than that.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
It's not actually my ring So.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
What was my buddy, Will, Gavin? Where are you part?

Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
And my buddy joked about me put setting it as
my ring tone, So what I did was.

Speaker 13 (23:10):
I did say it's my ring tone.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And then got my wife to bring me while I
was with him, so he think I'd actually done it.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
Totally forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I work in radios, my phone's on mute all the time,
and then I had Bluetooth headphones. It was listening to,
funnily enough, NFL Daily, and suddenly in my will Gavin,
where are you? Because I hadn't changed it back off again,
and so for a period of time it was.

Speaker 7 (23:30):
Your only hope.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Amazing, what a what a what a come up and
well deserved and I can't wait for Sundays Spec sixty.
I'll be with Will on Talk Sport. Will of course, myself,
Jordan and Nick be doing the post game recap on
NFL Daily, But we have so much coming up all

(23:53):
week long before that happens, including one of the best
receivers to come in the NF since I've been covering it.
I don't think it's too early to already start calling
him a future Hall of Famer, but I'm not going
to do that to his face, because I think that's weird.
But I did the numbers for the whole top twenty
five of the last twenty five years. If it had
been one year later, Justin Deffson would have already made

(24:13):
that list. He has a better resume than plenty of
Hall of famers out there. Anyways, it's gonna happen. Stay tuned.
Right after the break, myself and mister Schuff talking to
Justin Jefferson. Thrilled to be joined by Justin Jefferson. I

(24:36):
said it before we threw the break, but I might
as well say it, like one of the best players
to enter the NFL since I've been covering the league,
which is now coming up on a couple of decades.
He is here representing EA Sports alongside Nick Chuck, who
often represents EA Sports too, works firm. I don't know
if you guys know you both work for EA much
much smaller. What's going on?

Speaker 15 (24:59):
Justin much advantages, you know, just trying to absorb all
of this energy that's in here today. Uh of course,
you know, being here on business, uh, socializing, shaking hands
and uh, just being a part of this.

Speaker 13 (25:12):
Super Bowl experience for this week.

Speaker 15 (25:14):
Of course, I would like to be on the other
side of things and preparing for a game.

Speaker 13 (25:17):
But uh, you know, it is what it is. So
but it's definitely great to be.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Here your your sunglasses. Do you find that it's almost
easier because it's a lot here for radio row It
like provides like a little bit of a barrier between yourself, and.

Speaker 15 (25:34):
That's that's one of the main reasons why I like
to wear shades. Just kind of puts me in my
own little bubble, kind of like allow everybody to be
outside of that bubble that I feel like, so it
just feels like I'm kind of hitting a little bit,
which I'm really not. Uh, but you know, just of
course the fashion style, the color of them, the way
they look also gives off the stakes.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Nobody knows your next move.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Looking exactly exactly as on the field exactly.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
I love that.

Speaker 13 (26:02):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
That's why I wish I was better at football, because
like I can't pull that off, honestly, Like even the
number three receiver on your team, no, no offense, Like
he can't pull that off either. You gotta be justin Jefferson.

Speaker 13 (26:15):
Hey, I could agree to that one thing.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I really appreciate that. And I've watched you and even
though you come into the league obviously ahead of where
most rookies are coming into the league, I think You've
added a lot to your game, uh, throughout your course
of your career. I got to watch you twice this
year because I was overseas. I'saw both your your game's
overseas in Dublin and the UK, and I have my thoughts,

(26:38):
but I want to hear from you. What do you
think you're better at now specifically than you were even
let's say two years ago, at playing the position.

Speaker 13 (26:47):
I would say learning my leverages, learning.

Speaker 15 (26:50):
That especially, you know, getting double team and triple team
out there, you kind of got to understand more of
the game, more of the way they are playing you,
understanding the routes and how you can win on different routes.

Speaker 13 (27:05):
I can say. So it's it's.

Speaker 15 (27:07):
Been different these last two years based on how I've
just been getting covered. But you know, of course before then,
there was more one on one coverages, me just going
out there and just running off of one person and
getting open. Now just having to really dissect the defense,
understanding where I'm gonna be at on the field, where
the quarterback wants me to be at on that field,

(27:29):
and I got to get there having to go through
a couple more different people. So it's just more about
learning the game more than what I do. And then
of course, besides football, I gotta lean more into being
the leader, more into being a captain of the team,
especially based on this past season.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
There's a lot of different ways you can take with that,
right because, like, first off, how does that affect your
off season training? But then you think about being a leader.
You have a changing quarterback, You kind of need to
be the veteran in that room. When you were once
the up and coming youngster, now you're proven, So like,
how does that affect the way you approach the entire
season starting with the off season.

Speaker 15 (28:03):
Yeah, I mean the off season is where you know,
you're kind of getting your tricks, your bags, their tricks,
and you're trying to figure out the different things that
kind of that that can kind of get you over
that humph. And this year is all about just of course,
locking in with with the JJ and just understanding that
we got a lot of work to do and we
got a place that we would like to go and

(28:25):
the only way is to get there is to put
in that extra work when no one's looking, when no
one's watching, when no one is keeping an eye over us,
that we're building that connection building that relationship with each other.
Uh So, whenever it's time to go back into that building,
you know, we're not starting off, you know, all fresh again.
You know, we're we're going back to the amount of
work that we put in throughout the whole entire offseason.

(28:48):
Now we have probably the longest off season in the
history of sports, with all of the different like with
months of training, months of just having free time. So
it's it's definitely going to be a long process into
working with him and getting to where we would like
to go.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's kind of a good thing though, right, Like the
amount of time because like I mean, we can all
be honest like there was it was a frustrating season
shots because and you can just tell you guys hadn't
played together for sure.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
The amount of time probably is good for you.

Speaker 15 (29:13):
Right, great, Great, And that allows us to kind of
not really be in front of coaches, not really be
in front of media and all of this. We can
just kind of work on the things that we need
to work on ourselves, and of course we can talk
to each other about the different things that I see,
the different things that he can see. We can kind
of mix that all together and to really you know,
put a plan together into you know, our routine of

(29:36):
working together and running routes.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (29:39):
And then of course mentally it's a big mental focus
to have this mental right as well, especially off this
past season or all the different negative comments, Uh, you know,
is he going to be the quarterback? Is you know
a lot of different things circulate around him that a
lot of people are not thinking of, you know, they're
thinking of about their shoes now, really about in his shoes.

(30:02):
So as a young player, as a quarterback in this league,
it's my job to you know, make sure that mentally
he's mentally focused and of course physically getting getting him
to where we need to get to so we don't
have this type of season next year.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
And of course you had that season with Sam Darnald.
What what is that like getting to see him on
this stage and what was it like playing with him?

Speaker 13 (30:25):
It's pretty fire to see him on this stage.

Speaker 15 (30:26):
Honestly, I mean to build that connection with him from
you know, training camp all the way until the end
of that season and to see him win fourteen games
and be a valuable threaten into our fourteen.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Games with you too.

Speaker 15 (30:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is very difficult to do.
So for him to be able to do that back
to back seasons, it's crazy, honestly, but I'm happy for him.
I love to see Sam blossom into that top tier
quarterback that he was meant to be. You know, him
being a first round draft pick, him going to so
many different team teams really not understanding or figuring out

(31:02):
what the problem is. Him coming to Minnesota having a
couple more weapons around him than normal him, you know,
being that top tier quarterback that we knew he was
going to be, and then of course doubling back with
his consistency and having another great season as well. And
you know, I got him to win the win the
super Bowl. So hopefully him in the well, not in

(31:23):
the journey, but to continue the journey. The journey off
with the super Bowl win is going to be big
time for us.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
So let's go back to that real quick, he said,
watching him become the top tier quarterback.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
That you knew he could be.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Win when you guys were playing together, did you know
that he could be a top tier quarterback?

Speaker 15 (31:37):
Really just us being around you know, of course he
has the TJ.

Speaker 13 (31:41):
Hockinson.

Speaker 15 (31:41):
He has me he had Aaron Jones, Jordan Addison, you know,
so many different guys around that offense that he can
really lean onto, uh to to really blossom as a
top tier quarterback. So it was just mostly all about
not turning over the ball. As long as you don't
turn over the ball, you are allow us to make
those plays and to you know, catch the ball in

(32:04):
space and to.

Speaker 13 (32:05):
Go to work.

Speaker 15 (32:05):
Then we're gonna win the game majority of the time.
And I felt like that was the main, the main
objective last year when we had him, and of course
watching him this year, I feel like it's the same
type of ordeal.

Speaker 13 (32:17):
You know, he has a top tier guys.

Speaker 15 (32:19):
Around him in that offense, has a great offensive line,
has a great offensive coordinator to.

Speaker 13 (32:24):
Really put him in different positions to win.

Speaker 15 (32:27):
It's just all about him going out there, taking control
of the ball, not giving the ball to the other team.

Speaker 13 (32:32):
Then they're going to mostly win.

Speaker 15 (32:33):
And I feel like that's what's been the makeup of
this whole entire season.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I saw at this Roger Goodell press conference this week
that he said that he's heard from a lot of
players that they like playing overseas because they like being
ambassadors to the NFL and I saw some players reacting
to that, but I thought, since we got you, you
were there for two weeks, Yeah, what are your thoughts
because you were on a little road trip there, and

(32:58):
definitely a road trip.

Speaker 13 (33:00):
What was that like?

Speaker 15 (33:01):
It was different, I would say, I mean, obviously we're
not during the season. You're not really prepared. I would say,
to be there for ten days, to be in one
to be in one country and having to fly to another.
I did the same and I wasn't prepared. Now it's different,
and you know, of course we got to prepare for
a game. Of course, you know, our sleep routine is different,

(33:25):
diet is different. They have different food over there, so
everything is a little bit different. So you're just trying
to do as much as possible to feel as normal
as possible when it's game time. But obviously it never
will feel normal. But I do enjoy being in a
different environment, playing for a different fan base. I mean,

(33:45):
probably ninety percent of those fans never seen me play,
and of course I played with three times now in London,
so the fan bases continue to grow, but there's always
going to be fans there that never experience you or
see and you play this game of football.

Speaker 13 (34:02):
So that's the exciting part about it.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Obviously it's a regular season game, but didn't feel like
it took on more importance because of what you just described.

Speaker 15 (34:09):
Yeah, of course, you know it's a first of all
eight to nine hour trip and then of course you
got to get on another plane to fly to another country.

Speaker 13 (34:17):
Uh So it was it was a it was a difference.
You know, I was.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Behind you guys and security going from Dublin to London.
I was like, I didn't know they were just going
to be among the common folks like us.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
They were just there.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think it was I think it was your guy,
Jalen Taylor was right.

Speaker 15 (34:34):
And for you know, we didn't have a big enough PJ,
you know to fly to fly over the owners didn't
have a big enough PJ, so we had to fly commercial.
But uh, I mean it was a great experience. I
love I love just being in that different environment, meeting
new people and playing in front of a new fan base.

Speaker 13 (34:51):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (34:51):
But you know, just the tribal, the food, A lot
of things go into it.

Speaker 13 (34:57):
That you know a lot of people don't really understand before.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
We like, you know, you're here with Madden and e A,
you're good. Like my son's a player. He's always searching
for games, and sometimes it'll be like some crazy like
would you play a game with him? You know, like
are you good?

Speaker 13 (35:13):
I'm good for sure?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Are you better than Nick? This guy's a pro, he
like writes about But I am in.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
The video games space. I mean, I'm not like the
guys in the MCS. Be honest.

Speaker 15 (35:24):
I think I'll do good enough, you know, I think.
I mean, of course, I know football. I know the offense,
I know route concepts. I was a quarterback growing up,
so I kind of know all the ins and out
of Madden. You might get me on the defense, you
know what I'm saying. I'm not too too fond of defense.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
But what do you play? Ass? Do you? Are you
always yourself?

Speaker 15 (35:44):
If you tell me, if you are ninety nine overall
in the game without you having to switch any ratings, yeah,
why wouldn't.

Speaker 13 (35:51):
You play with yourself?

Speaker 4 (35:53):
I mean, you're living the dream exactly.

Speaker 15 (35:54):
You know, that's always a childhood dream to be a
ninety nine in a video game without having to touch anything,
you know.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, what about your defense, though? Who are your usering
during the game? You're playing on the D line don't know.

Speaker 13 (36:07):
I'm not a d line I'm a line backer.

Speaker 15 (36:09):
I like to you know, manage the middle of the
field of course, off off like yeah, exactly. I feel
like most people throw in the middle of the field,
you know, the crossers, mesh rout, you know.

Speaker 13 (36:20):
So you know I'll play linebacker. I'm a linebacker.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
I'll play nickel in the slot.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, because you know those rap concepts, you know what
that it might be a video game, but you got.

Speaker 13 (36:29):
The instinct exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I'm telling you, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
This is this is how we get justin Jefferson the
pup talking talking about Madden. We appreciate the time we've
we've enjoyed watching you over the years, certainly this year overseas.
Thanks again, Yes, sir, thank you. We are back on
NFL daily and there's nothing better. Uh, when we're welcoming

(36:53):
a guest like Mac Jones. Then then to hear right
before we start taping that he's already heard from his
mom and dad that we're fans of his So I
was like, hold that, I.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
Went on the good side.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Stop talking.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Stop talking. It's cool to have like a normal human interaction.
But let's get this on the show. Tell us more
about that. Your mom and dad are checking out, Who's.

Speaker 16 (37:20):
I mean, yeah, they just I don't really do social
media as much during the year, so they always like
send me articles that are positive and they're like, you
keep doing a job. And I remember seeing one of all,
so we are.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
We've talked about you a lot this year because you
kind of were leading the crowd here in the year
of the backup quarterback quote unquote.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
I know you started, but.

Speaker 7 (37:41):
Sure the work that you did in San Francisco to
kind of will that team through some of its harder
moments and I covered the game in.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
San Francisco.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
You got the you know what beat out of you,
but you still kept what that whole period of time
to kind of gut your.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Through what that was and play some really good ball.
What was that like for you?

Speaker 11 (38:03):
For sure?

Speaker 16 (38:03):
I think it's just the standard that's been set in
San Francisco and it was so cool coming in. Ota
is learning from everybody, learning from Christian Trent George, like
these guys that are gonna be Hall of famers, and
I don't know, I just wanted to show my toughness
this year and show that I'm ready to play. That's
your job as a backup, and I feel like we
played with a lot of juice and energy every game,
but especially you know when I was in there trying
to just sling it around, and like the Rams game

(38:24):
probably was being a little dramatic.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
There was definitely some injuries, but I.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Mean kicked out at times.

Speaker 11 (38:32):
Well I had multiple multiple issues puking. Yeah, that was real.

Speaker 16 (38:39):
But I had a multiple systems that we're not doing
the right thing.

Speaker 11 (38:44):
So I was like cramping and had my knee and
then I was like, all right, there's a lot going
on here.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Do you feel bad at all for like hurting Jordan's
feelings because deep down she's kind of a Rams fan. Yeah,
I saw that as as my wife and my daughter
there they're watching that game and and and you you
ripped their hearts out that night.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yeah that was I mean.

Speaker 16 (39:05):
They're a great team though, and playing them twice this
year was a huge challenge for me and just so
early in the year, and then I played them again
the second time. But they're incredible and Matthew Stafford is
playing great ball and their defense is playing great, So
huge challenge each game and we split one on one
with them, But I feel like they're a really good
football team.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
Are you just saying that to protect my feelings right now?

Speaker 7 (39:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (39:23):
I mean, like you want to come to the good
side and come to the good side.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
You know, covering Kyle Shanahan for a long time something
I've done. And I was at training camp and I
was watching you take reps and what I've always liked
about your game and the way you play is you
take no crap from anybody and you're going to throw
the ball where you want to, Like, you're going to
go for it, right You're not you do you are

(39:49):
not afraid for sure. And they had some rookie DB's
in and you know, you are getting in their faces
just as much as and I watched it, I was like, oh, yeah,
Mac Jones is back, ye know what I mean, Like
that thought where I was like, oh cool, like he's
still the same. Yeah, But what was it like being
kind of a veteran with a lot of really good experience,
but then going in and like the juice of that

(40:09):
defense and just the playing free that team came in
with very little external at least expectation.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
Yeah, and everyone grew up along the way.

Speaker 11 (40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (40:18):
I think I just really challenged myself to play with
that confidence from the start, first practice of OTAs and
then training camp like you're talking about, and I feel
like every day was so intense, you know, and other
teams sometimes there's days where it's like the dog days
of camp, right, But I feel like in San Francisco
was just always like we were going out of every
day for the whole season, and that's what makes you
play good football for a long time.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
So I think it was up to Stout.

Speaker 11 (40:41):
I'm sure.

Speaker 10 (40:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (40:42):
I talked to those guys and like when I'm on
scout team, it's I'm talking every day and hopefully backing
it up.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
But you've always you've always liked to talk on the
field like that. That was what the reporters were, right,
And when you were rookie in New England and second.

Speaker 7 (40:56):
Year like, oh yeah a second, you should know you
don't already Patriots fan?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, here not that's rare.

Speaker 11 (41:03):
No, that's fine, that's fine, No, that's.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I mean, it's I was a big supporter. I want
to know though, like, what does a mac Jones trash
talk sound like?

Speaker 16 (41:11):
Oh no, it's very natural. I think I don't like
plan anything. So if something pops up in the game
like I'll say something.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
But and in practice too, practice, you're gonna let him
know about it.

Speaker 16 (41:21):
Absolutely. It makes it fun and like it raises the
tempo of the practice. And I'm not like obnoxious about it.
Maybe I used to be, but I'm more chill now,
Like I'm just out there throwing, throwing to the open guys,
and then like I'm gonna let him know if I
made a good player, one of our receivers made a
good play, like they're gonna hear about it, for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I think that's important. That's like when, like I'm a parent,
I tell my kids that too. When you're playing sports,
you have to let the opponent know that you just won.
Ye to really rub you know, to really make sure.

Speaker 16 (41:46):
No no, no, no, yeah that's really like in a
respectful way, but like, yeah, it's definitely true.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
Oh I love that. What did you love about playing
in that system? It gets talked about across the league.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
I myself, Yeah, yeah, way too much about it constantly.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Are listen. Definitely let me know about that.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
But like just to the difference is the nuances that
you see in that versus what you maybe were used
to be for not comparing bad or the other, but
just the nuances that maybe the outside does not see.

Speaker 16 (42:13):
Yeah, for sure, And I had some experience in college
running a similar system, but this is like the PhD level.
Like Kyle Shanahan twenty word play calls and for me
to just come in, I was like, I'm gonna be
like a rookie this year and just learn everything from scratch.
Obviously had a lot of background with multiple coordinators from
college and Patriots and Jaguars, so trying to just learn
everything from Kyle this year from a fresh start, and

(42:34):
it's very like cookie Cutter, just kind of how I am.
I'm very like a like one, two, three four type guy,
you know, Like that's my reason.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
I don't know that I would have said cookie cutter specifically,
but I get what you're saying exactly.

Speaker 16 (42:45):
It doesn't like allow you to like freelance and make
stuff up, because you have rules and once you follow
your rules, you know that all right, I'm gonna have
consistency in my play.

Speaker 11 (42:53):
And I think that's what you saw this year. And
what I learned the most.

Speaker 16 (42:55):
Was if I just stick to my rules what they've
taught me with my footwork and timing like it'll be
more conc it was.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I that raises a point because I'd like you to
explain that when it comes to the Shanahan offense that
you learned and the differences between that sort of offense
and Josh Josh McDaniel's here here in the Super Bowl
for sure, for like an average football fan who who
doesn't necessarily and even know what progression passing is break down,

(43:21):
I know, sort of what what's the biggest like top
level stuff between a Kyle's Landan system and a Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 16 (43:27):
Yeah, no, that's a great question. And so Josh is
earn Hard Perkins system. So they've been running that for
a long time and Tom Brady obviously executed at the
highest level and they kind of mended it to their flavor,
you know. And one of the big things in that
offense is making mic points, and so every every time
you get up to the line of scrimmage, you have
to make a mic point to tell the line where
to go, which really you're directing all the traffic right,

(43:48):
and Drake's done a good job of that this year.
When I watch tape, like it's tough, you have a
lot on your plate before the map even starts. And
with Kyle, one of his big things is the opposite,
like it's more you know what your issues are, but
you're not really going to change anything. You're kind of
just gonna go out there and play. And for me,
and as a guy who's playing in the system where
I could change everything in my whole career pretty much,
it was different and I really liked it because I

(44:09):
knew what my issues were, but I also had a
system and it was just a lot less on my plate.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
I feel like the thing that's often getting lost in
this conversation too is those coaches and Josh McDaniel's is
also excellent at this part of why his system still
carries and it does. But in terms of that coaching tree,
that family quote unquote, yeah, what I think a lot
of people miss in this is that they understand defensive rules,
especially in zoning defenses, so well that that is why

(44:36):
they are able to give you progression based passing rules
because they're breaking the defense's rules.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
For sure, they're giving you can maybe expand.

Speaker 11 (44:44):
A little bit more of yeah, for sure.

Speaker 16 (44:46):
I mean Josh taught me so much about that too,
and when he was when we were together in New England.
That was the first thing we did was learned defense.
So that helped me throughout my career and I'm thankful
for that. But with Kyle, it's the same thing. It's
he literally knows exactly what they're doing. It's just a
matter of, like you said, if one is open, you're
throwing one. Like there is no they can play cover two,
they can play blitz zero. Like if a number one

(45:06):
is open, I'm throwing it. And in my career sometimes
you might be overthinking that, like, well, is he really
going to be open versus coverage or you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, So I'm very like blessed to be
in the system this year because it allowed me just
to be that all right, one is there, I'm throwing it.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
If he's not, I'm moving on.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
You sound like you like like being in that system. Yeah,
you're gonna be talked about on shows like this. We've
already talked about it.

Speaker 11 (45:28):
Good things I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'm talking about lists of possible teams who might be
looking for quarterbacks this offseason. Obviously you're under contract, or
maybe it's not obviously, but the listeners should know you're
under contract next year. Yeah, with the forty nine ers
as their backup, I'm sure they value that really highly.
If other teams do come calling and aggressively like want
to get you, do you welcome a trade?

Speaker 16 (45:55):
Yeah, I think it's It's always a blessing to have
people discussing those things. And for me, I did sign
a two year deal, and I really love working with Kyle,
so I kind of know where I'm at with it,
and they've we've had good conversations, and I feel good
about where I'm at. So I understand it's a business
and there's things that happen, but I think when you
turn on the tape, like the proof is in the pudding.

Speaker 11 (46:13):
So all I want to do is play good.

Speaker 16 (46:15):
Football, and whether that's a backup or a starter, to me,
like that's the whole point is to play good, So
don't worry about all the external stuff.

Speaker 7 (46:22):
It's refreshing and I think we all know when we
see it, when you play that, you know you could start, Yeah,
of course, But like there's something to be said for
being happy too, Like I feel like that's missed a lot.

Speaker 11 (46:33):
I think both can be possible.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
Yeah, the show both.

Speaker 7 (46:37):
Things are true time but like that's that's I mean
the strain of kind of the early years and figuring
out what this league was all about and then coming
to something different similar in a lot of ways, but different,
and then seeing the more of the world open up
to you.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
What's that been?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Like?

Speaker 11 (46:55):
Good? I think when you get you know, as a rookie.

Speaker 16 (46:57):
I was thrown in there and starting right away, which
is all for me, and we went to the playoffs
and then had a lot of success, so that was amazing,
and I wanted to keep doing that and stacking and
being a backup now and having started a lot of
games too, like it's good to just get both perspectives.
And I've done it and I've gone through a whole season.
I've played half seasons. I've played in a quarter season.
So it's just like every year is new for me,

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and I just love the challenge, but I know what
I would be getting myself into like this year. That's
why I feel like I was just like, all right, well,
here we go. I'm starting. I know I'm gonna have
a couple of games here. And I've done this, you know,
sixty times or whatever, and like it's not my first
rodeo so.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I got in trouble on the old podcast. They thought
it was like the hottest take ever that I remember.
I said, I would not trade you for Russell Wilson
straight up. This was like twenty twenty, which was like
a little bit of more of a hot take. I
think history has proven me right. So Sam Darnold kind
of you know, he went to San Francisco, he was
a backup here. Yeah, he's showing you one route where

(47:51):
it can it can really work out. And sure he
kind of and he stayed sort of in this similar system.
And this is a team that beat you twice. Yeah,
going up against the Patriots who don't have a lot
of those players from back when you were there, but
they have a few. Yeah, definitely they have some mc
daniels of course for sure. So it makes me like, think,
who are you rooting for?

Speaker 16 (48:12):
I knew this one was coming, how many a decent amount.
I haven't really put too much thought into it. I
think it is like when it's your division rival and
former team. I do have friends on the team, Like
I literally just saw Mare Stevenson yesterday at dinner, so
like just and we always text throughout the year. So
I love those guys Hunter, Henry, guys that I played with,
and I really want them to do well.

Speaker 11 (48:32):
So I don't know, I don't have too much of
an opinion. I'm not going to pick a team.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
But yeah, you have people for the show I pick either.

Speaker 11 (48:39):
Yeah, but I love like Josh and there's people like
the videos.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
To be happy for people that you're close with doing well.
On the other hand, there's probably a lot of massholes.
You don't want to see them get happy.

Speaker 16 (48:49):
No, I mean if they win it, good for them,
and that's that's awesome.

Speaker 7 (48:52):
Before we let you go, we're so appreciative of your time. Yeah, you,
I mean, your parents are a fan of the show.
We're just gonna assume here, like we're putting words in
your mouth at this point. But they must have then
heard our favorite It's a sound drop basically a moment
on the show that our producers that that one of
us said has said that our producers collect and record

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You are actually the most popular sound drop of the
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Speaker 11 (49:27):
All right, let's hear wow.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Mac Jones. Baby, very it's very fix whatever a good
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Speaker 11 (49:40):
Jones, that's awesome. You got assume me that one. I
like that.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
We will. We appreciate having on NAC and good luck
to you.

Speaker 10 (49:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Whatever happens this offseason, we'll be watching and appreciate having
you on.

Speaker 11 (49:57):
Thank you so much. That's fine, all right.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And we are back on NFL Daily. We are here
with Jackson Dart of the New York Giants, PEPSI zero
Sugar NFL Rookie of the Year nominee. This is not
really fair to you, but I don't know if you
remember this. You were actually in the room at NFL

(50:27):
Network watching I believe Raven's chief's divisional round. You were
there with your father, You were visiting, I think with
Daniel Jeremiah and just seeing like what was going around.
I was watching that game with you. Actually I was
in that you know, theater.

Speaker 13 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I want to go back to that day and that
Jackson and then think about this Jackson being the quarterback
of the New York Times and going through a year
like that that can aid you like a president like
what is the difference between that Jackson and that was
what in January of last year and this Jackson that
sitting here on Radio Row.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
You know, that's crazy to look back on.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Feels like a long time ago.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
It feels like forever agog's life.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, yeah, mine, for sure.

Speaker 17 (51:10):
I thought, like this last year, I feel I've grown
like three years into one, you know, that rookie year,
and you're just kind of going from one thing to
the next, and there's.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
No time off. So it's definitely been a whirlwind of
a year.

Speaker 17 (51:20):
But I think, you know, from that Jackson to this one, like,
I think I've just matured a ton, you know, individually
from an identity identity standpoint, but also as a football player,
like went through a ton of adversity but also had
you know, successes as well. So there's a lot of
lessons to learn and to grow from, and I'm just
really excited for.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
This future Jackson.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
It can be difficult for any person coming of age
through their twenties to like figure out who they are
and become more of that person and lean into their identity,
and to do it on such a stage. I mean,
as the quarterback for the New York giants and somebody
who is you know playing you know, in these these
games where everyone's watching you, how did you you We

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saw your personality come out, whether it's in the end
zone or with with Cam with Skataboo, or with with
your teammates, your fellow.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Quarterbacks, like the Jackets. Yeah, like strong.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Jacket, Strong Jacket game. My group chat would like me
to tell you that Strong Jacket game. But you know
it's you showed who you were and I think the
fan base really appreciated that. It's it could be scary,
I think, but you really kind of leaned into it.
And what was that process like for you just as
a person growing into that job.

Speaker 17 (52:27):
Yeah, first of all, I'm just so thankful and I'm
grateful to have the people that that are around me
and support me.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I wouldn't be here without that.

Speaker 17 (52:34):
And you know, it's been a dream of mine since
I was a little kid to be you know at
this point and just going to continue to grow.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
But I'm definitely humbled by it.

Speaker 17 (52:44):
I think, just in New York, like you have to
mature fast, you know, you have to you know, be
on your p's and q's and and and to be
a leader, especially with you know, the position that we're in,
and I just think for me, like, what a great
opportunity for me to you know, do my best to
just be a really good person and to be there
for others and to be, you know, the best leader

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that I can be.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I went through my notes. You know, it's rare that
I do like this much homework.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
I was on the flight here going through some notes,
decided to look at like my game notes of the Giants,
and I have a few things I want to get you.
But one of the things which I was like, I
want to ask them about that was your cadence. I'm
a big cadence guy. Like, you've got a nice there's
some base to it. It's very loud, like the mics
really pick it up. Do you take pride in the cadence?
What's the thought process? And do you want to be

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like one of the best guys in terms of cadence
in the NFL.

Speaker 17 (53:35):
Yeah, you know, it's crazycause a lot of people didn't
think I was going to be able to do a
cadence you know, from like I don't know if you've
seen the John Grudden good point point.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
We didn't think of that.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
I was thinking more, that's a content that is a
content king right there.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
He remembers, Yes.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
I definitely remember that because that was a knock.

Speaker 17 (53:51):
That's where people are like, I don't even know if
you can do a cadence, but I definitely take a
lot of pride in it.

Speaker 11 (53:57):
You know.

Speaker 17 (53:57):
I think that when you look at the best quarterbacks
of all time, you know, had great cadences and being
able to you know, put the defense on their hills
as much as possible and give that advantage to the
offense because it really is turned into a really big advantage.
And I had a lot of vets in the room
that I was in with Russ and Jamis, and I
remember like walking into that and I was like, all right,
like I gotta have a great cadence because these guys
got a great cadence.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Russ Russ from the beginning. It's great because some of
it also is a little like God given you gotta
have you like Joe Flacco, all time great kid. Ryan
Tannehill has an all time great one. So I think,
like you're studying, you know, your play on the field,
you got to study the great comes to the cadence
absolutely other notes, so like do you feel calm or

(54:38):
more calm when you're out of structure and making place,
because it felt like you were pretty calm right off
the bat, like the first month in the league, you
were already like the game didn't seem too fast for
you when you were doing that.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Well, I think that when you do that.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
I mean, first of all, there's there is a big
difference from college to the NFL, So you know, going
through training and OTA is like, those are times for
me to you know, make some of those mistakes and
to kind of experience it those struggles a little bit.
You have the valleys and in the peaks a little
bit that you kind of have to go through. But
I think when I got there on the field, like
I was just like I said before, I've been surrounded

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by great people.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
So from a preparation standpoint, I felt confident.

Speaker 17 (55:17):
I felt ready, And I think when you're out there,
like football is football, so you're just you're just trying
to play ball.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
You're trying to just have fun, just game.

Speaker 17 (55:23):
Out there and a lot of instincts coming to play
and you're just flowing.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
So yeah, it was it was definitely really fun to
have that experience.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
I think in every other profession, you want to make
mistakes early so that you can sort through it. And
you're not often in public again, and every other profession,
you're not being watched by millions and millions of people
as you do it as a quarterback. Like mistakes are
part of the growth, right and you just you mentioned
it yourself. How do you balance like staying creative with
when you're either in struct or out of structure, with

(55:51):
how you want plays to unfold, but then knowing that
some of them you know, are riskier and are not
going to work out, balancing like the known fact that
you're going to make these mistakes, yeah, and staying free
at the same time and still taking steps forward.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
It's like if trifecta that would be really hard to battle.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
I think that's a really good question.

Speaker 17 (56:08):
I think that like the thing that you have to
keep in mind when you out there on the field,
like you have to be fearless.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Yeah, Like it's okay to make a mistake. Like there's
a lot of game left.

Speaker 17 (56:16):
I mean you see in the NFL like this year,
like it's been crazy where teams have been down or
you know, maybe as a quarterback, you haven't been playing
for a good half of football. But in that second
half of football, somebody plays amazing and the game turns around.
So there's a lot of football to be played. And
I think that when you go out there, you just
have to play fearless. And I think that I had
a great like a great group of guys around me
who you know, we're okay and kind of instilled my

(56:41):
play style to play the way that I play.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
And I think that we all just played hard.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Look, there was a lot of great performances. You know,
you come out early, you get wins against the Chargers,
playoff team, Eagles, you put up thirty points in Denver,
like so close with a lot of great teams. Bears
were another one, and you had ups and you had
downs in the season. I think you finished strong. You're

(57:06):
up for this, you know, Rookie of the Year nominee.
And I kind of thought, like, because you came out
so hot, it almost like people forgot. Have you considered
doing some negative campaigning against Tyler Shuck that like maybe
Shuck is getting a little too too much pop and
didn't even play the whole season.

Speaker 17 (57:23):
Well, first of all, shout out to PEPSI zero sugar,
I think, just what a cool opportunity for all of
us to come together and to be a part of this.
To be honest, like, no, I haven't done zero, Like
I mean, the biggest thing to me that matters is
is one day hoping up you know, hopefully more than
one Super Bowl trophy. And you know that's in my
mind from a standpoint of like whatever happens, like it is,

(57:48):
it is what it is. Like I feel like, you know,
I was able to put out a really good product
on display, like you can just look at the numbers,
and I think that that really speaks for itself. So
obviously the most important thing is is continued to find
ways to win. And I know that we're gonna do
that in the future, but you know that's that's really
the most important thing to me.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
Is there a moment this year?

Speaker 7 (58:05):
It could be it could have been a play, And
certainly I think of a lot of the ones where
you are working at a structure, you're you're creating, crazy
things are happening all around you, and you're sort of
willing things to happen for your offense. But is there
a play that or even a moment like behind the
scenes that maybe we would not have seen.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
Where you're like, holy crap, man, I'm in the NFL
right now.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 17 (58:27):
I feel like there's there's a few of the Yeah,
there's times where I'm I'm going there on the field
and I'm looking at guys and I'm like, dang, like
you did really good for my fantasy team, like four
years ago when I.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Was when I was younger, and this would be you.

Speaker 17 (58:40):
Just like, being being involved in this game and competing
at the highest level is such an honor and being
around like these great players is so cool. I mean,
like I said earlier, like part of this like the
pepsis zero sugar, like the rookie stuff, Like all those
guys are great players and have done amazing things. So
I think it's just such an honor to be on
the stage with them and compete with everybody at this level.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
Trying to say we have a streak going too. We
had the winner on our show really.

Speaker 13 (59:03):
Every day, Okay, really.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Is that is good? I am.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
You don't have to say it, you know, I'm just
putting it out.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I don't know if we can impact the voters. I
don't know. I don't know how that works.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I believe I believe in that, Like I tried to
put out.

Speaker 17 (59:14):
I don't know if you guys saw like I got
caught on a mic saying the thing about Harbor.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
Yeah we saw it.

Speaker 7 (59:19):
Yeah, thanks for thanks for breaking the news to us.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
I appreciate no doubt.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
So I didn't know that was gonna happen.

Speaker 17 (59:24):
But I'm with you, like sometimes you just put things
out good energy, manifested.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Have you talked to Matt n Aggie, your new offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yeah, we have. We've talked a few times.

Speaker 17 (59:32):
Obviously, it's it's still really new and uh, I think
it just came out yesterday.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
So excited to go this relationship with him.

Speaker 17 (59:39):
HAVE heard a ton of really good things from people
that I've talked to about him, and you know, just
from a cooperation and collaboration as quarterback offensive coordinator, I'm
really excited.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
To build this with him.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
He's kind of a magician with concepts.

Speaker 7 (59:49):
Out of the gun specifically, we know you love to
play out of the gun.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
You like to see the defense in front of you unfold.

Speaker 7 (59:54):
And I guess how do you allowed your brain to
kind of get that far. I know you're so busy
right now, but like eating and thinking, oh, what could
be possible watching maybe someone the home stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
And what could be possible here.

Speaker 17 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I love his I think he has a very intelligent,
brilliant mind of just being able to create you know,
cool plays and whatnot. So I'm excited to be a
part of like an innovative offense in that regard. But
at the same time, you know, it's I've always watched
you know, pat highlights for a long time and excited
to kind of like, you know, form a little bit
of similar things around with with coaching Aggie, and I

(01:00:27):
think he's just gonna do a great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Job and have all the confidence in him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
And that was one of the things they said too
about you got that you got to learn a little
more under center coming in the pros. That was on
the notes too, and that that that that the under
center was increasing, it was getting better and it was
strong at various points in the season. So it was
really cool to see your development. This year football is
just going to be more interesting with the Giants having
a fun quarterback to watch. We got that with Jackson Dark.

(01:00:52):
Appreciate having you on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Yeah, thank you guys for taking the time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Thanks back on NFL daily, and we are excited to
be joined by a man who joined us on the
field after just winning the previous Super Bowl, Super Bowl
fifty nine hero Brandon Graham. You, oh yeah, but we'll too,

(01:01:19):
I mean, I get to ride the coattails, I honest, Yeah. Look,
Brandon and Bo co host a podcast for p h
L I called the Unblocked Podcast. Bo is the host,
and so I thought it'd be fun as a long
time you know, friend, colleague of BO. I think we're
a friend. I would hope to make him awkwardly sick

(01:01:40):
here the whole time as we talk to the more
interesting part of the duo, Brandon the whole time. So welcome, Brandon.

Speaker 18 (01:01:46):
I appreciate you how having us an you know, we come,
we come as a package.

Speaker 19 (01:01:50):
For sure, it has been it has been fun walking
around with BG. It's kind of how I feel like
it must be like for you, Jordan, just anytime you're
in La walking with Greg, because he can't take a
step without just being mobbed by people who want to
take pictures with him and tell him how much, you know,
BEG means to them.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
But it must be just like that's actually completely true,
except the reverse because first they have to see Greg.

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
No, it's similar.

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
I mean, I'm sure you're easy, easy to hide behind
Brandon's a it's a little discrepancy here, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
Okay, okay, Greg, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
A wee lad. Look, how was that that was crazy?
You played football again this year? I remember we talked
and and you said to us although you weren't ready
to officially declare it in the moment, but you were
expecting to walk away and then and then he.

Speaker 19 (01:02:40):
Just retorn the thing that he had come back yeah
and done gamey thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
And then you walk back into a pretty wild time
as a as a Philadelphia egle like and you were
podcasting about it at the time. How was that?

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
That was cool?

Speaker 12 (01:02:53):
Man?

Speaker 18 (01:02:54):
It was hard to keep that secret for a while
because I was knowing and I found out in August
that was opportunity that might come way. Of course, you know,
bo knew because we wanted to make sure on the
podcast and we you know that do happen that we
do it the right way coming.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
Back surprise to people?

Speaker 18 (01:03:10):
But uh yeah, man, I think the hardest part was
that trying to trying to hold on to that information
because I was excited. I wanted, wanted people to know
what was going on, but yeah, it was. It was
cool to come back and my my tricep was healed.

Speaker 11 (01:03:24):
Just high.

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
I wasn't.

Speaker 18 (01:03:26):
I wasn't all the way there coming back for that
Super Bowl. But I wouldn't have.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
Changed it for nothing, because it was.

Speaker 18 (01:03:31):
It was great to be a part of it, get
those pictures in uniform, and I got to touch my
homes one time.

Speaker 8 (01:03:36):
Even though it wasn't the same.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
It was a pivotal moment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Though.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
We remember it and we talked to you about it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
I mean, it's funny just for the listener, like there's
so much adrenaline going through the players at the end
of those games. So as BG comes up onto the
stage with us today, I'm like, you definitely don't remember this,
but we talked to you on the field and you
had so much adrenaline and like you had you were
your family was incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
And He's like, I'm sure I was.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
I'm sure it was great like all this stuff, you
know what I mean, Like you were so polite, but
there's no way. I mean, it's such like fractions of
incredible moments in such rapid fire. And I guess when
when is the time that you sit with it, that
you decompress, Like I accomplished this, and I got through
this first of all, but I also accomplished this monumental

(01:04:24):
thing that it wouldn't I could not wrap my head
around it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
If you know, if I.

Speaker 18 (01:04:28):
Were in that position, well, you know what, you start
to really like relish in that moment when you at
the parade. Yeah, you're sitting on that on top of
the bus. Everybody's getting ready for like the kickoff of
the parade, and then we're getting to get to ride
and you're talking and you're looking around and you're seeing.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
Like, man, we did it again. We did it again.
This was this was everything and the.

Speaker 18 (01:04:49):
Way we did it, like to go, I wasn't a
part of the O four team, but then to play
the Patriots against a team where it was a spy
Gate four, it was controversy in that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:02):
Then you come back today, by the way, yeah, Brady
strips everyone. Oh yeah, eight years that ain't what time fly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
But for me, it's like I still haven't forgiven you
for that. By the way, you're up in massive said
it was hurtful.

Speaker 18 (01:05:17):
You know what, y'all came back the next year so yeah,
it wasn't that bad. Y'all came back and beat them
Boys of the Rams too at that. But yeah, it
was so cool to be able to, uh, for one,
go against Brady, beat him when he just beat Man.
He went to three Super Bowls back to back to
back them years, and for him to just have beat
Atlanta the way they did, and for us to have

(01:05:39):
that same type of momentum where the.

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
Drive is like they got the last drive.

Speaker 18 (01:05:43):
And they getting momentum and they've been scoring. Man, I
was so I was so thankful. So in those moments
when I relished them, it be more. So at the
parades it be more and so like even this year,
I knew, like, man, this was potentially my last little parade.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
I'm going out on top. Let me enjoy the moment,
Let me enjoy everything.

Speaker 18 (01:06:03):
Videos, pictures with the kids, because you really gotta that's
what you gotta do. You gotta take those pictures for
those moments because life definitely goes on. Because it sounded
good going out on top until reality hit and it
was like, dang, twenty twenty five season is approaching and
I'm still itching well.

Speaker 19 (01:06:20):
And I think that's that's sort of been the interesting
thing to watch it from the outside, but to have
gone sort of through it next to you is when
Beg comes back, there's some Eagles fans are like, oh, man, like,
why would you ruin the perfect ending? Like you went
out on top, you had this great ending, you won
the super Bowl, And it's not the perfect ending. If
he wants to keep playing, right and he still has

(01:06:40):
that itch, it's it's it's up to him, right, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
It's not about creating the lasting memory for it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
So life short, like life too short. Once you stop playing,
you're never gonna dine out.

Speaker 18 (01:06:50):
You don't nobody really care about how like they just
know you two times super Bowl champion, that's it.

Speaker 19 (01:06:55):
And by the way, most efficient sack guy in the
NFL this season three sacks and like sixty five passer
And you know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
What, I was going to ask you all the same question,
like the moment for you, like do you go through
like all your old podcasting clips from the season and
like your your articles from the season, You're like, man,
I really killed.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
It this show during the super Bowl.

Speaker 8 (01:07:15):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 19 (01:07:15):
I will answer you seriously, even though the question isn't jest.
When you go into that locker room after the super Bowl.
What what does overwhelm you is all the other people,
you know, all of the staffers who are either assistant
coaches or you know, like the training staff. And seeing
those people get to have the moment of they come

(01:07:35):
to work every single day in service of hoping to
get this and to see them get to celebrate, you know,
like the messuses or everybody else, like the woman who's
in charge of the nutrition shakes. Like seeing them get
to celebrate that to me is like, okay, that is
that is very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Well, while we're here, because I want to.

Speaker 6 (01:07:52):
Way to make me feel like an a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Usually it's hugely vice versa.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
It's usually you making me feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I love that for you. Let's actually listen. We have
a clip. Uh, this is not the one we We
also had your kids on the show, which was great.

Speaker 19 (01:08:08):
YEA happy birthday to his daughter Emerson today birthday, guest, Emerson,
Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Let's listen to Brandon because this has some application to
this super Bowl. Right after the game, how about that
play by Milton Williams that looked just like your play
around the Super Bowl? Well, Tom Brady's covering what do.

Speaker 8 (01:08:27):
You think I'm thankful for that boy? That's elm sweaty.

Speaker 18 (01:08:33):
Nolan.

Speaker 8 (01:08:34):
I mean JC, even though j C took.

Speaker 18 (01:08:37):
He took two every play, So he opened up the
door for a lot of guys with the one on
ones and we just won our matchups today and very
thankful for these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah, Milton Williams, like, give me something on milk.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
Look at you took some of them good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah, he's trying to do what we're calling the reverse
Chris Long or the reverse Lagarett Blunt where you go
Eagles Patriots, Yes, back to back. He's flipping it on
its head, Like, what can you tell me about what
it's like playing next to that guy, because he's a
breath of fresh air, Like not only a Patriot that
that is that dynamic and it's living up to that money,

(01:09:14):
but a Patriot that's a great quote. I mean it's
been a while since we had one of those.

Speaker 18 (01:09:18):
Yeah, and I know for him he is living right,
That's how I look at it. Like, man, when you
got these glory years right now, milk, enjoy them because
they don't come around for a lot of people, Like
it's a lot of people that played fifteen years and
they ain't sniffed the Super Bowl and they wasn't on
the right team. And so for me, like to him,
I would just say, enjoyed the moment. Make sure you're

(01:09:40):
taking video, taking all the pictures, putting all the work
in that you can. It's not just to make it
to the Super Bowls to win it. And so for him,
I know that from jump when he first came to
our locker room, he's been like the guy that's always
had that chip on his shoulder. So always keep that
because you know, nobody gave him nothing. He went out

(01:10:02):
there and he earned it. And so even this year
already when they paid him a hundred million, I remember
people talking like, man, who was this guy we paying
a hundred and he ain't been no starter. He cut
off the bench and then he showed why. And so
I'm proud of him. But the job is not done.
I know he knows that, but y'all got a stud
and I wish we could have retained him because he
would have helped us this year and we probably would

(01:10:22):
have you playing against all he gave you.

Speaker 19 (01:10:24):
Some prouts on Media Nite said he took a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
From you to do it to England.

Speaker 19 (01:10:28):
The other thing is like that reverse Leagarrett Chris Long.
Thing is interesting because back then Lane talked about Lane Johnson.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
You know, they've won those titles, but they.

Speaker 19 (01:10:37):
Don't seem like they're having fun, whereas like, I would
rather win one and have fun.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
And it seems like that has kind of flipped, whereas.

Speaker 19 (01:10:42):
Now like the Patriots are the team on the come
up who were having fun, whereas the Eagles are like,
we won, but it's always oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I was kind of like I listened to Chris Show.
He is an Eagle. He talks about how great that
year was. He pretty much he's like, you have the
Patriots here, we won, but it wasn't that fun.

Speaker 13 (01:10:58):
Right, Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
Yeah, I mean it was style military style. Hey, I'm sorry.

Speaker 18 (01:11:03):
I mean he's a great, great coach, great all that,
because they won a bunch of super Bowls, but like,
did y'all really have fun?

Speaker 8 (01:11:10):
You know what I'm saying when you talk about it?

Speaker 7 (01:11:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:11:14):
Yeah, that's how I feel like talking about those years. Man,
they just fly by so fast because of how much
fun you have, and so you can see that you
can win both ways, but I'd rather win having fun.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
That's an interesting point that you bring, guys both bring
up because I have had this question, you know, knowing
that you guys do the show together, and then you know,
the Eagles have been through some complicated stuff, right, and
some of it's very public. I'm sure there's so much
more that's nuanced. And it's a building full of human
beings with big feelings, right, and and a lot of
different personalities, And so it's like, how do you first

(01:11:47):
of all navigate that you know, you've been a leader
in that team for a long time, but then also
you got to.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
Go on a show and talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
So how do you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
Talk about these things in a way that is like
nuanced and it doesn't give too much away but makes
your point very clear. The way that you guys want
to convey this, these things that we we hear and
see coming out of the building, Well, go ahead, I'm
you Well.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
I was just gonna say.

Speaker 19 (01:12:09):
It is not only that, but the schedule is also
a difficulty because you know, there was a game this year.
Where was it the It was the game in Green
Bay the play team play lands at like three thirty
in the morning. He comes straight to the studio to
record the podcast, that morning he's falling asleep, like like
literally show that's a real podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
That's some real podcasts.

Speaker 19 (01:12:32):
This is he was dedicated to to the craft. But yeah, no,
I think I think people know that that b G
is someone who tells the truth, yea, and that's part
of why they tune into the show. But yeah, you
are also someone who who you're not going to give
things away. It is about It is about giving people
a little bit of a peak behind the scenes with it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
While except for that whole like a j Brown Daleen
hurt thing you kind of.

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
Give, you know what? That was that one for the best.

Speaker 18 (01:12:54):
That one was for That one was for just making
sure you handling your own business. Go involve every That's
all I was really saying, because you know, if I
got a friendship that I'm trying to protect, you can't
let everybody in that, you know what I'm saying. And
so that's where that's where it'd be tough, because you
got to be able to separate the business from the personal.
And sometimes that's not always easy because you know, we

(01:13:15):
both are friends, but we want the same thing.

Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
We want to win it all. But we wanted to
win it all.

Speaker 18 (01:13:20):
Look in a certain way because that's what the media
and everybody say. I mean, of course Jalen hursts, he
don't care how you win. It's just like, let's just
win and then we'll worry about the other stuff later.

Speaker 8 (01:13:29):
But I just wanted them to be able to talk.

Speaker 18 (01:13:31):
About it and not just have everybody all in they mix,
and so that's really what I was saying.

Speaker 8 (01:13:35):
But I know that was tough because I took it, I.

Speaker 18 (01:13:38):
Owned it, and we moved forward in that and I
felt like it helped us in a way where everybody,
you know, we end up winning it all. And of course
this year coming back into it, it was tough.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
Who's to say you don't win if you don't do that.

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
I mean, you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
I don't know, That's what question is because from the
outside in, it felt like you were sometimes we need
a third party and to tell say, like, guys, this
is this is what it looks like.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
Yeah, and it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Kind of felt like you were doing that in a
way that ended up being extremely helpful to the overall.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
That's just me saying it from the outside.

Speaker 18 (01:14:09):
Looking, I'm with you, because all I want us to
do is not have no regrets when we look back
on it and say, did we let any We didn't
let this little thing block us from where we was
trying to go. And of course it's all about sometimes
just having that conversation and people don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
The whole story. I didn't know the whole story. All
I know is communication works well when.

Speaker 18 (01:14:29):
You go to the actual source and then y'all work
things out and y'all come in the middle about things something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
So both kind of mentioned like maybe you're you guys
were a little in the spot that the Patriots got
into where even the winning wasn't always that much fun
if it wasn't the right style.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
Oh my goodness, that is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Like is that true from the outside, because I'm curious,
is Philly like is there actually more drama or is
there just more attention? And so the drama all comes out.

Speaker 8 (01:14:59):
It just attention.

Speaker 18 (01:15:00):
I look at it. I look at it like this.
People want like people didn't care when it come down
to the playoffs. Okay, all year people wanted style points,
but then when it came down to the playoffs, they
wouldn't have cared if we.

Speaker 8 (01:15:11):
Had a bad game and still won that game in
the end.

Speaker 18 (01:15:14):
And you know, if we had that all the way
going to the Super Bowl and won it all doing
it like that, then I think that we can always
result back to say, hey, hey, Philly, we did it
like this and y'allways complaining and we still won. So
what y'all got to cry about? Now, you know what
I'm saying. So it's it's always gonna be something to
talk about and cry about. But as a leader of

(01:15:34):
the team, you gotta block it out because when it
comes down to it, if we would have won that
game and the forty nine ers after all the stuff
that happened with the offensive stuff, and we'd have won,
they wouldn't have worried about it, and we'd have been
in the super Bowl.

Speaker 8 (01:15:46):
With the coordinator, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
You would have to be a couple of good team
Oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:15:50):
We had some good ones though, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 18 (01:15:52):
But the defensive side, we were trying to put that
on our back for this year. But man, it don't matter.
The style, points don't matter in the playoffs. It's just
a winning it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
I love this defense.

Speaker 19 (01:16:03):
I could go on, like the toughness of playing in Philly.
Thing is the thing that that I don't think is understood,
is that, yes, the city is very difficult to.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Play in and they will reward you if you play well.

Speaker 19 (01:16:15):
But if you talk to people around the league who
have been in that building and then left or have
what they've heard of it, it is also intense scrutiny
in the building from the top down. And that is
something that is is not the same everywhere else, and
it's part of what's made them great, but it is
it is not always the most joyous place to work, yes,
get answer.

Speaker 8 (01:16:33):
Not not not as far as like players.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
But I'm talking about the upstairs front office.

Speaker 18 (01:16:39):
Because they do have a high standard of of how
they do things. And I mean which I understand some
stuff you might have to learn and kind of back
off a little bit. But but you how I look
at it too, It's like you want to make sure
that you just focus when you're supposed to be focused,
and I want to have fun when I can have fun.

Speaker 8 (01:16:57):
It's like I'm not trying to be serious the whole time.

Speaker 18 (01:16:59):
It's like I I love my little moments were I
can make a coach laugh in the serious situation and
it's like, all right, coach, if this happened again, say
what say we? He goes off on us on the sideline,
and then we talk about it in the meeting.

Speaker 8 (01:17:12):
Even though we won the game.

Speaker 18 (01:17:13):
It's like, coach, trust us, because it's about trust too,
because when people yelling at you sometimes it's like you
trust me? Do you trust what we said? It's like
we said that we was gonna be in a dogfight.
I made a mistake, but don't don't condemn me for it.
We're still in the fight. Let's let's keep working and
we'll figure it out later. And then you find out
that what you thought happened in the game didn't happen

(01:17:34):
so bad because maybe you wasn't listening and I was
trying to tell you. But you don't want to be
You don't want to stay as hostile. So one person
might take the fall and be like, you know what, coach,
you right, I'll just take.

Speaker 8 (01:17:45):
It right now. But then later on you'd be like, dang, coach,
you was wrong.

Speaker 18 (01:17:48):
So you got to be able to You got to
be able to own own it too, because you can't
just be throwing that stuff. You gotta have accountability in
this because and then you got to be a little
season in it too, because it's been moments were I
had to take it, even though I knew I was right,
I just say, you know what, coach, I'll let you.

Speaker 8 (01:18:03):
I'll let you have your mama right now.

Speaker 18 (01:18:05):
All right, And then when you look back on it,
I don't say nothing. But unless coach don't, unless coach
just don't acknowledge it, then I'm like, coach, let's get
back on what happened on the field.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
Hey, talk to me. What's what happened on that? Oh yeah,
bgu is right.

Speaker 18 (01:18:20):
Okay, Hey, I'm telling you both because you see, you
got to kill people.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
With kindness and it's good. Listen, I'm telling you.

Speaker 18 (01:18:34):
As hard as that is, sometimes it ain't about winning
the winning it it's about Look, it's a problem right here.
Me and you got to figure this thing out, to
attack this problem together. But sometimes people think it's a
problem between me and you and eight even in marriage, wife,
this is a problem right here that we just need
to figure out.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
I love you.

Speaker 18 (01:18:51):
I know you got to work on some things just
like I do. And it's like you know all that stuff,
but it's it's really communication because a lot of a
lot of times when you see stuff on the sidelines,
because people have miscommunication or or built up feelings that
they needed to have a man a man talking sometimes
and you don't always get that in a work relationship,

(01:19:11):
but in football you should have that more than not.
But a lot of people sometimes run from those those hard,
hard moments because it ain't always easy to kind of
tell someone man, you're wrong, you know, and didn't take
accountability to know that you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Life Lessons with Brandon Braham that We've got a guest
coming up, So I'll leave you with this. This was
too good for our research department, Chris Pabona and Eric
Roberts getting it done with a direct quote from the
Unblocked podcast hosted by Bo wolf H. Brandon, you said,
if how he made a splash with the coordinator, I
think it'll spark some interest with people wanting to come back.

(01:19:49):
So I ask you, is Sean Mannion a splash with
the higher at coordinator?

Speaker 18 (01:19:54):
I would say yes, because from what people have told me,
even people letting the organization that knows him say, man,
he is great. Y'all don't even know just the relationships
he has already and how he tries to really build
those relationships. And I'm loving that. It's gonna start from
the ground up and he's all about that. And so

(01:20:15):
with him and Jay, I'm sure they've been on the phone,
been talking how you want, how you how you how
you envision us looking this year, and then we just
go from there. It's the journey of these next six months.

Speaker 19 (01:20:24):
But people coming back, Yeah, he puts sixty forty on
AJ coming back communicator.

Speaker 18 (01:20:30):
Yes, if you could communicate what you what you want
and how you wanted to look, Man, are you killing
the game? And so I'm hoping that we could keep
because like how we say, he ain't trying to get
rid of no good players. And I know I don't
want to see I don't want to see him go.
I want to see everybody thrive, and I want to
see Davonte AJ shoot, say Quon back in the mix.

(01:20:50):
I mean, let's go get that record again this year
on top of heck the record, you know what, Like
let's have it where passing yards and running yards, Like,
let's have a complete package this year. And I think
they could do that with the people that they got.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Heck, we might have a BG back in the mix.
Our own Mike Garafolo reporting that he's gotta think about it,
but don't take we're not gonna put you on.

Speaker 18 (01:21:10):
I would just say, already, already. I told him, I
told him exactly how I felt. I want to do
it before. I don't want to just jump in halfway
through because as soon as I start really feeling good
and it was over, and I was just like, dang,
I wish I'd have started earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
But the Bolton how he scored, he wants to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Okay, yeah, you know, okay, Howie. You know he's a
hard man to read, so who knows? Sixty forty? All
I say is if A. J. Brown is is out,
I don't think we're going to know about it until
the time that he's out. Brandon Graham, Bo Wolf our friend,
our friends. Now that we've had Brandon Graham on the
show a couple of times from the Unblocked podcast, thank

(01:21:46):
you very much.

Speaker 13 (01:21:47):
Appreciate guys.

Speaker 11 (01:21:48):
Go Berts.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
All right, that is it for the interviews today. That
was Brandon Graham and Bo Wolf Delights. We've welcoming back.
Nick shook to the stage everywhere to wrap this thing up.
We started with you, Nick, and you stuck around with
Justin Jefferson, and then after Justin Jefferson got off the stage.

(01:22:12):
You did what a real man should do, and you
got his Madden handles. You guys can play later. We're
not giving that thing out. But that was a good job.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
That's real journalism, big Jay journalism right there, getting the
contact info, digging deep, getting the sources you can play
on the virtual gridiron.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
I don't know if he was just you know, being polite,
but he seemed genuinely excited to play.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Some I mean he took my phone and I was
a witness.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
I might have to try to steal that and see
if I can. That would be have a have a
setup between Walker and Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 8 (01:22:45):
Maybe maybe justin I will will play.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
For Ida, let the relationship grow, and then we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Yeah, I'm not above trying to burn a relationship just
for one moment of glory. What a show. Mac Jones
was awesome. Jack's in Dark and in Brandon Graham. It's
like big, big picture takeaway. You're saying that the kids
are out of control, you being the kids and me
being the dad.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
I mean, yes, you can be a kid too if
you want.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
You want at heart, you know that's heart. I feel
like it. No, it was great. I loved it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:17):
We talked about big Philadelphia Eagles feelings with Brandon. He
was very honest about kind of some of the dynamics
net building. We talked to Jackson Dart about whether he's
going to launch a negative smear campaign against Tyler Schuck,
which he I thought that he his soul was going
to leave his body when you asked him that question,
but then he laughed.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
And then we found out that Mac Jones' parents are
big fans of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
The show, so oh, which we love because we're big
fans of Mac.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Yes we are, and we see Actually as we're talking,
I see him over literally live right now on NFL Network.
I bet he had more fun with us. Yeah, he
did ours first. What you're gonna have fun with Pallasaro
and rap sheet in a couple of suits. Judy's over there,
Judy's I specifically didn't mention Toy because I liked you.

(01:24:06):
That's it. We have so many guests tomorrow, we might
as well just say goodbye and set that up. It's
kind of gonna be a preview show. It's gonna be
a little different than most of our previews shows. We're
gonna have our preview, but that'll be a little condensed
the three of us, and we'll also talk to some
guests that can give perspective, some some players that just
went against these teams, like like Garrett Bowls of the Denver.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
Bron very honest.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Yeah, and uh and many more. Mad Dog will be
joining us, Me and Shook and really looking forward to that.
It's gonna be fun all week. Thank you everyone that
is checking out NFL daily and yeah we're we got
something else in the feed for you on Thursday.

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
This day really got better after the way it started
for me, Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
That's true. Someone hit Jordan in the head with what
was it, hydro flask. It was a bad omen and
we've recovered. But see a Thursday

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