May 18, 2026 • 16 mins
A listener is conflicted after she tattled on her pastor for cheating on his wife with his wife's sister.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Order a fresh show's court rise the honorable.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Here, Yes, I am judge Kiki right, give us the
case please, all.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Right, let's get into the courtroom. It says, hey, ki ki,
am I wrong for exposing my pastor. My family is
longtime members of our neighborhood church. As a kid, I
was forced to attend church, but as an adult, I
only visit from time to time. However, I've always kept
a friendly relationship with our pastor, and I've always had
a lot of respect for the guy until a couple
(00:37):
of weeks ago when I ran into him in the
parking lot of an adult's only hotel, a place similar
to the spot that rhymes with hipparis.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now, for those who don't know this is Jason's parents knew.
This is a bit of a local It has local
lure lore and then that loure like a fishing lure,
like a lore. It's an adult themed hotel, yes, and
they have things like wolves, slides and waterfalls and mirrors
(01:12):
and hot tubs in the rooms and places where you
could attach shirt and apparati yep to the ceiling kind
of thing. It's a bit of a themed resort anyway. Okay, yeah,
only for adults m hm.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And he was obviously shook when he saw me because
he was getting into the car and next to him
was his wife's sister. My husband and I were so
stunned and I couldn't stop thinking about it, so I
sent his wife a message on Facebook. Well, his wife
announced their divorce at church on Sunday, And now my
mother is mad at me, saying that I ruined the
(01:45):
church and our pastor's legacy.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Am I wrong? Oh my gosh?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, well you gots are the jury eight five five
five nine three five contact the same number.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Judge Kiki would say, I.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Am clutching my pearls girl, because I was about to
say what were you doing down to the adults on
the hotel? But she mentioned her husband, so no judgment there. However,
I don't think she's wrong. I don't think she's wrong.
You saw that man getting into a car with his
wife's sister at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
At a hotel that he is, there is no other
purpose to be there, There's no You don't just accidentally
book that on Travelocity or something like that is a
place where you go for those sorts of activities.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, it was you weren't having Bible study down at
the place. So no, I don't think you're wrong for
telling his wife. I mean, you saw what you saw,
and it obviously was bothering you. You couldn't stop thinking
about it, and you send her the message, and clearly
there must have been something true because they're getting a divorce.
And I don't think it's right for your mom to
(02:45):
say that you're ruined the pastor's legacy. He ruined his
own legacy, because what are you doing with your wife's sister.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's sloppy. Everyone knows.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Just go to a different city or something, like, you know, someplace.
I mean, I go to like a like a place
that's I mean, if I see you checking in, if
I see you checking in to a hotel with someone
who is not your wife and it is not a
sex themed hotel, I may maybe there would be a
(03:15):
way that you could excuse or justify that, but there
is no way. There is no other purpose to be
at this place but for that. But here's where I'm Kiki,
where I'm always judge Kiki, where I'm always a little
little mixed up. Is I tend to be someone who's
like I need to mind my business because again, and
I've said this many times, it is not my job
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to be Captain Savaho. It is not my job to
call out every everything I see that might be an injustice.
Sometimes I think I just need to I need to
stay in my lane and not ask too many questions
because I really don't know what I'm on earthing or
what I'm uncovering. Now, others would argue, no, if you
see something that you know is not right, then you
(03:58):
should identify it out and because that's the right thing
to do, I guess I sometimes wonder is that the
right thing to do? Is it truly the right thing
to do to call out everything you see that might
not smell right?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Maybe not everything, not everything.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I like this, especially because I'm assuming I don't know
this pastor. I have never been to his mask or
whatever he's up to. I've never been to it.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Now we have an even bigger problem, because you shouldn't
have a wife, then, why that's true?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So I've never been to his service to services. However,
I feel like he's probably.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Preaching certain things a certain lifestyle my assumption, so why
doesn't he live by it? And he got caught up?
So I feel like it's only right to say something.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, you know, so then we have an obligation then
to identify or or sort of present to everyone else
everything that we see that we may not think is right,
and we need to tell everybody involved that it may
not be right. That's our responsibility.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
No, but in sir, in situations, it is absolutely your responsibility.
If you see my man down to the hotel and
it's a woman in the car that's not me, you
absolutely have an obligation to tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, Now, what if what if you guys had like
a little open thing going on and then I just
blew you up, so I embarrassed you. I blew the
top off the whole thing, and now you've got a
mess that you wouldn't have had if I hadn't said anything.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, it's not a mess, yeah, if it's.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Open, but it could be because I exposed it. Now,
so now you're embarrassed because you don't want people to know.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well no, no, no, I would say thank you for
letting me know for it, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It might be different if it was my sister akau,
if it's my pastor someone who I don't necessarily know
all the ins and outs of I don't know if
I'm getting involved in that, but think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
If you're a longtime member of this church. She mentioned
that her family has been in this church since they
were children, so she probably has a relationship with the
wife as well as the first line.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So no, I get it, I get it. I'm just
I don't know. You don't like to get involved other
people's business because I don't know that business is complicated
these days.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Promise, if there's an arrangement, it doesn't include siblings, I.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Don't know. I don't know. Emily, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Good morning, good morning, good morning?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Made five five five three five. You guys are the jury,
So judge Kiki, I want to make sure I got
this right. Essentially, a pastor was seen going into an
adult themed hotel with someone who was not his wife,
not only not his wife, but his wife's sister yep.
And so this person went and told the wife this
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is what I saw. And now the pastor's getting a
divorced and now people are upset because it's like you
didn't need to be involved.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
What do you think.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I mean, baby, you gotta practice what you pray. Get it,
you know what I mean, that's what I'm saying, all right,
I'm saying here like you know what. And I also said,
if you're in the public eye, and I'm not saying
that was meant to be private, but I mean you're
in the public right, So if you're in the public, honey,
it's a public's business now. And if the church is
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not about it, you might not have a business anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That's what you're preached.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I mean, if you're going to be sloppy, then
you know you can't be that sloppy.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yep, just messy, baby, just being messy.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's right, that's right, Emily, thank you have a good day.
Glad you called. No, I mean, it is pretty sloppy,
very like, what are you doing right? And you left
nothing to the imagination because you just checked into the
freakom hotel. Come on, so like again, it's not even
like I don't even know what. I don't know how
you could justify any hotel, but you certainly can't justify
that one.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Just but naked, don't go down the slide now, I
think you could check.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That place out by that hour, so you know, like it, really,
I don't. I don't think you have to stay the
whole night.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But you know, I haven't been there spokesperson in quite
a while. But hey, Mark, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Mark Man? What is the deal here?
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do you when you see something that you you probably
know is wrong, do you point it out to everybody involved?
Or do you look the other way and say, I
don't need to be involved in this.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I look the other way because it has nothing to
do with me. I'm mind my business. So the passion
about it, there's two step off.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's not with me, Yeah, don't.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't know what have you known the wife or
you know you've become friendly with the wife, you go
to the church, you wouldn't say anything, Nope.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Because see, it's worse to hear for somebody else, to
find out better on your own. So when you're here
for somebody else, that hurts more whether you found out
on your home. So that find me to mom business.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I actually think that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Like if someone you really love and care about exposes
something that you don't want people to know about, that
does make it a hundred times worse. Yeah, especially if
you're in this sort of you know, it's a clergy,
but if you're in this religious space where you're really
probably not supposed to be involved in things like that,
but maybe you are. And it doesn't mean you're not
(09:04):
doing I mean, I'm really trying to play the other
side here. I'm sure what he was doing was wrong,
but you're just dumb. You blew up the whole thing. Now,
the guy has no credibility at work. You know, he
doesn't have a wife anymore anybody, and she didn't have
a sister, and that's not your fault. But I mean,
I don't know. These things also contend to get turned
on you too, that's true. And you know, sometimes it's
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you expose it and somehow you wind up being the
bad guy because you exposed the thing that you saw
that doesn't look right to anybody.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So you're saying like she should have texted the wife
and said, come meet me down here at the hotel
real quick.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I need you to see something. It's almost maybe like couvert.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah maybe I don't know, maybe tip her off somehow
in a way that doesn't that doesn't you're not in
the sense at the center of it.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Well, let her find out on all see eventually is
going to come out. Now you got people worrying, I'm
almost happening with their ties of money is going to
the hotel in Joseph Hotel, the freaking hotel for that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Hotel. Thank you, have a good day.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And by the way, somebody did point out who apparently
has been to this establishment that they didn't pay for
the secret garage entrance. Apparently there's apparently they have a
parking garage at this adult hotel where if you pay
a little extra, you can access it through the garage
so that people don't see you walking through the parking
lot when you're not supposed to be doing what you're
supposed to be doing or not doing supposed to not
(10:24):
be doing.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Hey, Chris, you're an actual clergyman.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
I'm an actual clergyman. Good morning for the things I
learn on your radio show.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Now hold on now, Chris, Are you a priest? Are
you a pastor? Or are you a deacon?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Sounds like a joke.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
I'm I'm a pastor.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
The woman didn't do anything wrong. She had formed the wife,
but what she was all that she's almost questionable in
the behavior of the pastor he holds this and we
don't have a level of a public accountability. The wife
could take that information and deal with her hubsband. But
but I'm sure that his luck and love the morality
(11:07):
about marilyn marital affairs, and they wouldn't want that as
part of their surety. For a lot of people say that,
I think she did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, it would be bad for the fellowship. There's a
lot of bad things that could come from that. So
I suppose if you're if you're invested in the community.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, And she didn't tell the entire congregation. She
told them one person that that would have a responsibility
to do with the wife. I think that was good,
good work.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, okayodot, Yeah, thank you, Pastor Chris, have.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
A good day. God bless you.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, how you find us, Pastor?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm curious, Well, you know, I think he needs people
to pray for, so he probably you know, he locked
in and was like, it's gonna it's been a long
time he's been praying, and he'll be praying for a
lot longer. I think, hey, Kelly, yes, now, Kelly, I
think I like this approach.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So if you just to sort of the synopsis.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Here in Kiki's court, Pastor spotted going into adult establishment
with a woman who's not only not his wife, but
his wife's sister, and this sort of resort quote unquote,
there's only only one thing that you do there, and
that's get it on. And so you got to assume
that's what they were doing. You know, they were walking
into hobby lobby. Okay, they were walking into a place
(12:25):
where it anyway. So then she goes and tells Pastor's wife.
Now Pastor's wife is divorcing Pastor, and we have a
bit of a drama on our hands.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What are you going to do though, Kelly.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So I feel that thank you, Sorry, I'm getting.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
My duncan.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Queen. We love that.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Go right ahead, Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I wouldn't go to the wife. I would go to
the pastor directly. I have done this, not with a pastor,
but I have caught somebody cheating and I didn't go
to their spouse. I went to them, and I you
know you basically was like, listen, I caught you. I
mean I wish, I wish I had that more in me,
but I don't. But I did just say, hey, listen,
(13:11):
I caught you.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I saw you doing this, blah blah blah, and I
will go to your wife if you don't. And he
did and they are divorced, but he went.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And I would do.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
That with the pastor, especially if it was a pastor
of mine. I would say, hey, listen, you're out here.
You know, you're throwing out what the commandments are and
what all this is and what we can't do and
shouldn't do, and blah blah blah, and this is what
you're doing.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
So you need to do this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'd always liked that approach better, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I've always liked the approach of going to the person who's,
you know, look with whom you have the relationship, the
person who's committing the potential act, and being like, look,
I don't know what you're up to, but I saw it,
and you need to either have a great explanation or
fix it or both and then and then and then
give them a deadline.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, And that way you maybe don't have to get.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Either way you're blowing up somebody's life. But I think
that going I I think I would rather my husband
or whoever come to me and tell me what's going
on then me finding out from a friend or a
neighbor or something else, and either way it sucks and
it hurts.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, but yeah, I agree. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's like if you if you get this sense that like,
for example, I'm aware of situations where people have been
cheating and everybody knew what the person and then you
find out everybody knew what you and you're even more
hurt and embarrassed that way, as opposed to if you
don't you don't we can skip that step and you
could just go right to the person responsible and be like,
fix this, and then maybe you don't have to be
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just don't cheat.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
How about just leave the person that you obviously don't
love if you're going to cheat on them.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
But then it'll be.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh, I do love them.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I don't really go on for hours about this. Yeah
I know, I say, I think to the person that
you caught and just say, hey, listen, you know this
is what I saw, this is what I witnessed. You know,
what are you going to do with it?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And they're down there, have a good day. Enjoy your
dunking girl, Enjoy your duncan.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Jason, you're a man of the cloth you were an
altar boy, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I tend to not want to get involved with stuff,
so I probably would pretend I didn't see it and
keep it rolling. I think I'm channeling. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I hate to say I would do the same thing too,
and I'm a non confrontational person in general.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But it's just I don't. I don't. I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know. Surely there's another explanation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I would have been at church on Sunday. I got
a testimony, everybody. I have an announcement, everybody, Look who
I saw.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
The place is called the Sibbaris, by the way, and
you can go hib whatever. I don't like him. I
don't like that. That might employ something different. I don't
hit the hib orris. Yeah okay rhymes with yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Right, right right.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I just said it rhymes are the thing we're all
not trying to get. But it's called the Siberis. I'm
sure there's one in every town. You can google it.
You're right, they should pay us. But someone texted, the
cyberis the room with the garage is the chalet the
highest priced room, and the garage is where it's at well,
I guess you get to pull into your own cross,
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closing doors and that nobody can see you going up
in there. I'm sure every town has a place like this,
but you know, in the Midwest, this is the one
that people are known for. I guess all right, Well,
you guys are good people, and I chased it. I
will just look the other way. Protect We never saw
anything
Order a fresh show's court rise the honorable.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Here, Yes, I am judge Kiki right, give us the
case please, all.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Right, let's get into the courtroom. It says, hey, ki ki,
am I wrong for exposing my pastor. My family is
longtime members of our neighborhood church. As a kid, I
was forced to attend church, but as an adult, I
only visit from time to time. However, I've always kept
a friendly relationship with our pastor, and I've always had
a lot of respect for the guy until a couple
(00:37):
of weeks ago when I ran into him in the
parking lot of an adult's only hotel, a place similar
to the spot that rhymes with hipparis.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Now, for those who don't know this is Jason's parents knew.
This is a bit of a local It has local
lure lore and then that loure like a fishing lure,
like a lore. It's an adult themed hotel, yes, and
they have things like wolves, slides and waterfalls and mirrors
(01:12):
and hot tubs in the rooms and places where you
could attach shirt and apparati yep to the ceiling kind
of thing. It's a bit of a themed resort anyway. Okay, yeah,
only for adults m hm.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And he was obviously shook when he saw me because
he was getting into the car and next to him
was his wife's sister. My husband and I were so
stunned and I couldn't stop thinking about it, so I
sent his wife a message on Facebook. Well, his wife
announced their divorce at church on Sunday, And now my
mother is mad at me, saying that I ruined the
(01:45):
church and our pastor's legacy.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Am I wrong? Oh my gosh?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, well you gots are the jury eight five five
five nine three five contact the same number.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Judge Kiki would say, I.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Am clutching my pearls girl, because I was about to
say what were you doing down to the adults on
the hotel? But she mentioned her husband, so no judgment there. However,
I don't think she's wrong. I don't think she's wrong.
You saw that man getting into a car with his
wife's sister at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
At a hotel that he is, there is no other
purpose to be there, There's no You don't just accidentally
book that on Travelocity or something like that is a
place where you go for those sorts of activities.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, it was you weren't having Bible study down at
the place. So no, I don't think you're wrong for
telling his wife. I mean, you saw what you saw,
and it obviously was bothering you. You couldn't stop thinking
about it, and you send her the message, and clearly
there must have been something true because they're getting a divorce.
And I don't think it's right for your mom to
(02:45):
say that you're ruined the pastor's legacy. He ruined his
own legacy, because what are you doing with your wife's sister.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's sloppy. Everyone knows.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Just go to a different city or something, like, you know, someplace.
I mean, I go to like a like a place
that's I mean, if I see you checking in, if
I see you checking in to a hotel with someone
who is not your wife and it is not a
sex themed hotel, I may maybe there would be a
(03:15):
way that you could excuse or justify that, but there
is no way. There is no other purpose to be
at this place but for that. But here's where I'm Kiki,
where I'm always judge Kiki, where I'm always a little
little mixed up. Is I tend to be someone who's
like I need to mind my business because again, and
I've said this many times, it is not my job
(03:36):
to be Captain Savaho. It is not my job to
call out every everything I see that might be an injustice.
Sometimes I think I just need to I need to
stay in my lane and not ask too many questions
because I really don't know what I'm on earthing or
what I'm uncovering. Now, others would argue, no, if you
see something that you know is not right, then you
(03:58):
should identify it out and because that's the right thing
to do, I guess I sometimes wonder is that the
right thing to do? Is it truly the right thing
to do to call out everything you see that might
not smell right?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Maybe not everything, not everything.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I like this, especially because I'm assuming I don't know
this pastor. I have never been to his mask or
whatever he's up to. I've never been to it.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Now we have an even bigger problem, because you shouldn't
have a wife, then, why that's true?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So I've never been to his service to services. However,
I feel like he's probably.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Preaching certain things a certain lifestyle my assumption, so why
doesn't he live by it? And he got caught up?
So I feel like it's only right to say something.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, you know, so then we have an obligation then
to identify or or sort of present to everyone else
everything that we see that we may not think is right,
and we need to tell everybody involved that it may
not be right. That's our responsibility.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
No, but in sir, in situations, it is absolutely your responsibility.
If you see my man down to the hotel and
it's a woman in the car that's not me, you
absolutely have an obligation to tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, Now, what if what if you guys had like
a little open thing going on and then I just
blew you up, so I embarrassed you. I blew the
top off the whole thing, and now you've got a
mess that you wouldn't have had if I hadn't said anything.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, it's not a mess, yeah, if it's.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Open, but it could be because I exposed it. Now,
so now you're embarrassed because you don't want people to know.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well no, no, no, I would say thank you for
letting me know for it, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It might be different if it was my sister akau,
if it's my pastor someone who I don't necessarily know
all the ins and outs of I don't know if
I'm getting involved in that, but think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
If you're a longtime member of this church. She mentioned
that her family has been in this church since they
were children, so she probably has a relationship with the
wife as well as the first line.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So no, I get it, I get it. I'm just
I don't know. You don't like to get involved other
people's business because I don't know that business is complicated
these days.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Promise, if there's an arrangement, it doesn't include siblings, I.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Don't know. I don't know. Emily, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Good morning, good morning, good morning?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Made five five five three five. You guys are the jury,
So judge Kiki, I want to make sure I got
this right. Essentially, a pastor was seen going into an
adult themed hotel with someone who was not his wife,
not only not his wife, but his wife's sister yep.
And so this person went and told the wife this
(06:37):
is what I saw. And now the pastor's getting a
divorced and now people are upset because it's like you
didn't need to be involved.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
What do you think.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I mean, baby, you gotta practice what you pray. Get it,
you know what I mean, that's what I'm saying, all right,
I'm saying here like you know what. And I also said,
if you're in the public eye, and I'm not saying
that was meant to be private, but I mean you're
in the public right, So if you're in the public, honey,
it's a public's business now. And if the church is
(07:09):
not about it, you might not have a business anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That's what you're preached.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I mean, if you're going to be sloppy, then
you know you can't be that sloppy.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yep, just messy, baby, just being messy.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's right, that's right, Emily, thank you have a good day.
Glad you called. No, I mean, it is pretty sloppy,
very like, what are you doing right? And you left
nothing to the imagination because you just checked into the
freakom hotel. Come on, so like again, it's not even
like I don't even know what. I don't know how
you could justify any hotel, but you certainly can't justify
that one.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Just but naked, don't go down the slide now, I
think you could check.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That place out by that hour, so you know, like it, really,
I don't. I don't think you have to stay the
whole night.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But you know, I haven't been there spokesperson in quite
a while. But hey, Mark, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Mark Man? What is the deal here?
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do you when you see something that you you probably
know is wrong, do you point it out to everybody involved?
Or do you look the other way and say, I
don't need to be involved in this.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I look the other way because it has nothing to
do with me. I'm mind my business. So the passion
about it, there's two step off.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's not with me, Yeah, don't.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I don't know what have you known the wife or
you know you've become friendly with the wife, you go
to the church, you wouldn't say anything, Nope.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Because see, it's worse to hear for somebody else, to
find out better on your own. So when you're here
for somebody else, that hurts more whether you found out
on your home. So that find me to mom business.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I actually think that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Like if someone you really love and care about exposes
something that you don't want people to know about, that
does make it a hundred times worse. Yeah, especially if
you're in this sort of you know, it's a clergy,
but if you're in this religious space where you're really
probably not supposed to be involved in things like that,
but maybe you are. And it doesn't mean you're not
(09:04):
doing I mean, I'm really trying to play the other
side here. I'm sure what he was doing was wrong,
but you're just dumb. You blew up the whole thing. Now,
the guy has no credibility at work. You know, he
doesn't have a wife anymore anybody, and she didn't have
a sister, and that's not your fault. But I mean,
I don't know. These things also contend to get turned
on you too, that's true. And you know, sometimes it's
(09:24):
you expose it and somehow you wind up being the
bad guy because you exposed the thing that you saw
that doesn't look right to anybody.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So you're saying like she should have texted the wife
and said, come meet me down here at the hotel
real quick.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I need you to see something. It's almost maybe like couvert.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah maybe I don't know, maybe tip her off somehow
in a way that doesn't that doesn't you're not in
the sense at the center of it.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Well, let her find out on all see eventually is
going to come out. Now you got people worrying, I'm
almost happening with their ties of money is going to
the hotel in Joseph Hotel, the freaking hotel for that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Hotel. Thank you, have a good day.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And by the way, somebody did point out who apparently
has been to this establishment that they didn't pay for
the secret garage entrance. Apparently there's apparently they have a
parking garage at this adult hotel where if you pay
a little extra, you can access it through the garage
so that people don't see you walking through the parking
lot when you're not supposed to be doing what you're
supposed to be doing or not doing supposed to not
(10:24):
be doing.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Hey, Chris, you're an actual clergyman.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
I'm an actual clergyman. Good morning for the things I
learn on your radio show.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Now hold on now, Chris, Are you a priest? Are
you a pastor? Or are you a deacon?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Sounds like a joke.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
I'm I'm a pastor.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
The woman didn't do anything wrong. She had formed the wife,
but what she was all that she's almost questionable in
the behavior of the pastor he holds this and we
don't have a level of a public accountability. The wife
could take that information and deal with her hubsband. But
but I'm sure that his luck and love the morality
(11:07):
about marilyn marital affairs, and they wouldn't want that as
part of their surety. For a lot of people say that,
I think she did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, it would be bad for the fellowship. There's a
lot of bad things that could come from that. So
I suppose if you're if you're invested in the community.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, And she didn't tell the entire congregation. She
told them one person that that would have a responsibility
to do with the wife. I think that was good,
good work.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, okayodot, Yeah, thank you, Pastor Chris, have.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
A good day. God bless you.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, how you find us, Pastor?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm curious, Well, you know, I think he needs people
to pray for, so he probably you know, he locked
in and was like, it's gonna it's been a long
time he's been praying, and he'll be praying for a
lot longer. I think, hey, Kelly, yes, now, Kelly, I
think I like this approach.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So if you just to sort of the synopsis.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Here in Kiki's court, Pastor spotted going into adult establishment
with a woman who's not only not his wife, but
his wife's sister, and this sort of resort quote unquote,
there's only only one thing that you do there, and
that's get it on. And so you got to assume
that's what they were doing. You know, they were walking
into hobby lobby. Okay, they were walking into a place
(12:25):
where it anyway. So then she goes and tells Pastor's wife.
Now Pastor's wife is divorcing Pastor, and we have a
bit of a drama on our hands.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
What are you going to do though, Kelly.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So I feel that thank you, Sorry, I'm getting.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
My duncan.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Queen. We love that.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Go right ahead, Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I wouldn't go to the wife. I would go to
the pastor directly. I have done this, not with a pastor,
but I have caught somebody cheating and I didn't go
to their spouse. I went to them, and I you
know you basically was like, listen, I caught you. I
mean I wish, I wish I had that more in me,
but I don't. But I did just say, hey, listen,
(13:11):
I caught you.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I saw you doing this, blah blah blah, and I
will go to your wife if you don't. And he
did and they are divorced, but he went.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And I would do.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
That with the pastor, especially if it was a pastor
of mine. I would say, hey, listen, you're out here.
You know, you're throwing out what the commandments are and
what all this is and what we can't do and
shouldn't do, and blah blah blah, and this is what
you're doing.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
So you need to do this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'd always liked that approach better, Kelly.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I've always liked the approach of going to the person who's,
you know, look with whom you have the relationship, the
person who's committing the potential act, and being like, look,
I don't know what you're up to, but I saw it,
and you need to either have a great explanation or
fix it or both and then and then and then
give them a deadline.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, And that way you maybe don't have to get.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Either way you're blowing up somebody's life. But I think
that going I I think I would rather my husband
or whoever come to me and tell me what's going
on then me finding out from a friend or a
neighbor or something else, and either way it sucks and
it hurts.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, but yeah, I agree. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's like if you if you get this sense that like,
for example, I'm aware of situations where people have been
cheating and everybody knew what the person and then you
find out everybody knew what you and you're even more
hurt and embarrassed that way, as opposed to if you
don't you don't we can skip that step and you
could just go right to the person responsible and be like,
fix this, and then maybe you don't have to be
(14:43):
just don't cheat.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
How about just leave the person that you obviously don't
love if you're going to cheat on them.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
But then it'll be.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh, I do love them.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I don't really go on for hours about this. Yeah
I know, I say, I think to the person that
you caught and just say, hey, listen, you know this
is what I saw, this is what I witnessed. You know,
what are you going to do with it?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And they're down there, have a good day. Enjoy your
dunking girl, Enjoy your duncan.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Jason, you're a man of the cloth you were an
altar boy, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I tend to not want to get involved with stuff,
so I probably would pretend I didn't see it and
keep it rolling. I think I'm channeling. I hate it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I hate to say I would do the same thing too,
and I'm a non confrontational person in general.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But it's just I don't. I don't. I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know. Surely there's another explanation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I would have been at church on Sunday. I got
a testimony, everybody. I have an announcement, everybody, Look who
I saw.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
The place is called the Sibbaris, by the way, and
you can go hib whatever. I don't like him. I
don't like that. That might employ something different. I don't
hit the hib orris. Yeah okay rhymes with yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Right, right right.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I just said it rhymes are the thing we're all
not trying to get. But it's called the Siberis. I'm
sure there's one in every town. You can google it.
You're right, they should pay us. But someone texted, the
cyberis the room with the garage is the chalet the
highest priced room, and the garage is where it's at well,
I guess you get to pull into your own cross,
(16:24):
closing doors and that nobody can see you going up
in there. I'm sure every town has a place like this,
but you know, in the Midwest, this is the one
that people are known for. I guess all right, Well,
you guys are good people, and I chased it. I
will just look the other way. Protect We never saw
anything
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