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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, in the meantime, we should talk about this up
that we're not gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The spot.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I might have to blow the spot hit the intros
to a tangent quickly.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's the tangent giving you all this ship we couldn't
talk about on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
So I don't know. This tangent may not last very long.
I said that. I say that, then forty five minutes later,
we're like talking about deep issues about life or whatever.
But it's hot as ship in this room because I
don't know we I don't know why. It would just prop.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
The door completely open and see who comes in.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Don't worry. They don't hesitate to come in anyway, even
when the door is closed.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
That could be a fun tangent.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Yeah, our door is like a sitcom as you really,
we don't know who's coming in.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's like Crammer every time, like who's it going to be? Yeah,
it's like probably I'm not even exaggerating, and nobody cares.
If you're listening to this, you don't give a ship.
But it's probably thirty degrees cooler in the hallway, and
then the room's not very big, so it's already warm,
and then you put a bunch of bodies in here
and that makes it warm.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
In these computers that are spelling.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, you undercarriage. It's yeah, not good. But we were
talking about free methods of watching things that you don't
want to pay for, which is what free means. Live now.
But I remember, I don't know if you guys had
this growing up, but I when I was really young,
I mean like seven or eight. You know, you had
(01:23):
like a cable box right, hit cable at the house,
and then certain stuff was scrambled. So then someone just
someone just did it. Adam Kirch just did it. He
just tried. He just tried it. He can't, but we
just said, if.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
He knows we're on the podcast, he doesn't like to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, see if he wants to Adam, what do you
come in here? Come on in, come in at him.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We need like a last track.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Look at him well, and I'll give you some more
inside radio is uh. I. I didn't complain, but I
had a So they built these studios, right, they built
these studios, and before they built them, I asked it,
like you guys are building studios from scratch, right, Like
you're like like from the ground up. They're like, yeah,
(02:08):
I'm like, well, can I can I talk today? Like
can we get on a call and like the guys
who are you know, designing it? Can I have some
input in how we're doing it because I have some
ideas that might be good for you know, people who
actually do this, considering the people who were designing it
have never fucking done this. So I get on the
call and I was told no to everything. But they
put us on the top floor of this building with
incredible views, two hundred and seventy degree views in this office.
(02:31):
Yet they built studio radio studios inside the building in
rooms with no windows, so which I'm like, well, why
you may as well put us on the first floor.
Why are you spending all this money on the top floor.
We can't even see anything. I said, And by the way,
like it means something to radio people, So look out
the window and see a city like Chicago. It means
something like people work hard. Our old studios had a view,
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and it's like you look out the window, You're like,
this is fucking cool, like we're on a radio and wherever,
and but no, no, we didn't do that. So then
I have dinner with our chairman a few months ago.
He's asking about the studios and I was like, a,
you know, it would have been cool if they'd like
put us up against those windows, you know, cause the
windows it's a great view and it could have been
really cool and everything. And he was like, why aren't
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their windows And I'm like, well, I don't. I don't know, sir,
you're the chairman. That would have been sort of in
your purview, I guess, and I did. I did say that.
And my other favorite was when he came by and
there were no speak There are no speakers in our studio.
We have computer speakers. That's what we use, like literally,
like they came with a Dell computer. That's that. Those
are the speakers in the studio. And he came by
and he texted me where are the speakers? And I said, well,
(03:35):
I was told that you thought they were ugly, so
they didn't put them in, and he was I never
said that, so what do they do. They just put
bigger computer speakers in in the same place anyway, So
I was like, I don't know. He goes, well, do
you want a window, I'll knock a wall down. And
I was like, I don't. I don't. I don't know
if that's what I was really campaigning for, was for
them to just build this a whole new structure, like
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I wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
A whole new student like a whole new building, because
like this JOS.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Growing and and they're not spending any money on us,
so they may as well, like make the studio look cool,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And you can't even imagine what would happen if they
try to put a window in this wall.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So we're going to knock this wall down, the one
to my left and put a window in. And then
apparently now they're not going to do that, so what
do they do. They're going to supposedly this was like
four months ago, they're going to take that door out
and put a clear door in its place. Only our
studio though, because I was I was the one who complained,
so I didn't even complain. I just pointed it out.
(04:28):
So and they've been working on this for months now.
But I think that's a bad idea now because I
think all people are going to do is just come
by and stare in and I'm the only one who
has to look at them because it's right in my purview,
so it's it's my problem now to deal with. And
I didn't even want it perview. What I wanted was
that I wanted I want a whole new room that
would look really cool for videos and stuff that like
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showed where we were and what we were doing. No. No,
couldn't have it. So now we're going to have a
where is it? Have you heard anything more about it? No?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I have not heard anything. I'm trying to get this
one fixed. It on whistle.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's that's the other thing. We got air pressure issues.
There's a low pressure in here in a high pressure
system out there. I guess which is. So I don't know.
This is a fucking disaster. Back to the topic in
hand cable boxes and then there were certain channels that
were scrambled somehow. This is obviously very low tech because
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this was their eighties. But like you could call the
cable channel and say turn it on, and they'd say okay,
and then they'd send you. Then they'd bill you, like
for the for like I think it was called spice.
It was called spice. It was like it was like porn,
but they were naked, but it was funny. It was interesting.
They were naked, but they never showed a dick, only vaginas.
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They never showed. They never showed actual vaginas. They would
just show like they never showed, and there was no penetration.
So I don't think these guys were actually having sex
even like I think it was porn, but it was
basically just naked. But it wasn't all the way naked.
I don't know. I don't know, but you never saw dick,
and then you never actually saw like like Labia, you
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never did. It was just whatever. It was almost like
naked dry humping that you paid for. So anyway, I
bring this up because there were companies that sold these
these cable boxes that you could buy that were illegal
that somehow unscrambled everything. So we had them except in
our bedrooms, like in the only the only room in
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the house that you could watch porn was my parents' room. Remarkably,
because you could deep you could program all of them
not to show it, you other like so like my bedroom,
it was turned off and then they had like a
little thing on the back with a lock and if
you unlocked it and like reset it, then then it
went back to normally you could watch everything. And I
did that many times. But did you guys, can you
(06:45):
relate to this, Like if you if you flip the
channels really fast, it's some would unscramble it for like
a couple seconds so you could watch porn. So like
we'd sit there and go like back and forth, like
the length the length that we went to to be
able to like see something back in the day. But yeah, no,
we had like HBO for free, We had you know whatever,
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and then eventually they found the cable company figured out
a workaround, and then they didn't work anymore. But like,
if we ever had to have the cable work done,
we would have to go and take all these boxes
out of the rooms and then put the ones they
gave us back, because if the cable company came over
and saw we had these like you know, black market
cable boxes, and we'd be in trouble. But you could
watch all the movie channels. You could watch everything. And yeah,
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but that was my that was my memory, was trying
to like flip the channel super fast just to watch
the porn.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I do remember in college, we it was still like
a DVD society, but we had laptops and I'll never
forget they started rolling out these these allegedly these illegal
websites where you could watch different shows or whatever. But
because it was not very legal, there would be like
an episode missing or you could only see halfway. So
I would watch like I've tried to binge, like One
(07:59):
Tree Hill, but I was missing a couple key episodes,
and so I didn't really know. But I do remember
if there was a movie or something.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
We wanted to watch.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
We didn't have a DVD and there weren't streaming services,
we would watch those illegally.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
In our rooms.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
But I don't remember the I do remember Howard Stern
being very racy late night his E show, Yeah, and
I remember that was like our spicy thing we would watch.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In him and the TV spinning around or whatever. That was. Yeah,
in the city in what.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Was that older lady that you should teach us about six?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh, doctor Ruth?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I want to watch her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Oh there was another one too, though I think I
know who you're talking about. It wasn't doctor Ruth. It
was like it was a Canadian woman, Sue, doctor Sue.
Am I okay, I think it was doctor Sue. She
was Canadian and like she got mm hmm. I mean
it was anatomical, but it was extremely detailed.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh yeah, sex therapists. Oh my gosh, wow, Sue Johnson.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Is she still alive?
Speaker 5 (08:57):
No, she passed away well judging from her, yeah, no,
she actually passed away semi recently.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But she looks like pretty.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Old in Yeah, it was an old woman like talking
about like in graphic detail, but it was supposed to
be educational.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So she was a real hero, a real pioneer, you know.
Happy for her, and I hope she's enjoying you know,
gat life. Yeah, no, she did. She helped a lot
of people. So I guess I'm the only one who
had this experience. You said you did.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, so we used to.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I didn't watch porn that way, but when I was
a wrestling fanly I was in a w W E
and so was.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Your wrestler triple h Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And then he was with China for a while. I
remember her. I loved her, but we wouldn't get the
pay per view and so I could watch it if
I went like one channel up and it was all blurry,
so I'd be like trying to like.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
See but you could hear it fine, Yeah, which was nice.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, this makes sense for you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, I love wrestling.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Suck it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, I walk around here and do that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, dude, I would love to be a fly on
the wall in those production meetings where they sit around
and come up with new characters and stuff, because you
know that they have to throw out fifty ideas before
they come up with the one they go with. But
can you imagine some of the shit that's like never
made it out of the room, Like, guys, guys, this
is what we're gonna do, you know? Or what about
what if we hit out right right? And then because again,
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like to come up with twenty characters, they probably have
had to work through one hundred hundreds. Yeah you know
what I mean. So you know some people have thrown
out some wild stuff. Okay, we're gonna light the guy
on fire every time, you know, like just heat like
but like like like listen to my whole idea here,
you know what I mean? Yeah, that would be right.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And they do shows like every day now, either on
TV or like off TV shows, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Coming up with that every day is crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, that would be hard. That would be fun, though.
I think I just want to hear the ideas that
they could or more importantly, the idea is that they
wanted to do and the lawyers wouldn't let them, Like
those are the ones I want to see, are the
ones that made it out of the writer's room. But
then the lawyers are like, okay, no. And I'd also
would like to meet their lawyers because I've met our
lawyers and they just say no to everything, and I
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know why because they don't want to have to deal
with it. So but we're we're a creative company, so
like sometimes when they sometimes we don't ask them because
it's like you can deal with it later, like because
you know, because you're just saying no, because you don't
there's a potential that you would have a pain in
your ass, so you just say no. But those guys can't,
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Like they're having those guys have to say yes to
stuff all the time that they're like, oh oh God,
like this is not this is not going to be good,
you know, but they said no to everything, there'd be
no wwe So I'd love to hear the stuff that
they actually have to put their foot down and be like,
we cannot do that. It's crazy, we can't. I would
love to know what those are, But I'm sure, we'll
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never hear them because they're all under non disclosure and
whatever else. But anyway, so taking to you.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
It's hard to dress because like it's freezing in the
morning and then it's been like a little bit warmer
during the day, and then in the studio it's you know,
tropical vacation.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So I don't know what to wear.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah. No, it's awfully balming in here.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm not even getting a tan out of it, though,
like at least you know, right, I guess we come
out a little bit like lighter came in. Yeah, that's
good for me. Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're about to get a tan.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I will just say right here, you come, what do
you call it? See now I heard you say it.
I'm like, yeah, except it's not called that. That's what
you call it. Luthra is what it's called. Now? Where
is that? It's an island in the Bahamas where we go.
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It's not that boogie, but it's where we go for
Thanksgiving and have for a long time. Eluthra.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I love that right here?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
The other.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Why would you guys say Eurekathra.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Eurekak thrust now Eluthra? She Now, now I'm saying it wrong.
I'm gonna go, hey, I'm so happy to be hearing Urethra,
you know, and I'm gonna be like, you idiot, like
that's get out of here, go out. They'll they'll deport
me name from the Bahamas, it right, kick me out,
ye know. That's that's what's happening. What are you guys
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all doing? Are you anything fun?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Chilling?
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Eating?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Actually I haven't been invited to my parents yet, so
I'm assuming they're having Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You think you're supposed to be invited.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
My mom always say like, oh, I'm doing Thanksgiving, comet
to come at three whatever, And she didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
So do I reach out like, hey, are you doing
things giving?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What if they have a trip plan?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What if they're going to I.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Mean that's okay because I'll probably miss Christmas. So like
she doesn't know this. Yeah, I'm gonna break it to her.
It was like, so, I had my knee surgery like
two days before, so I don't think i'll be able
to go mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So she'll just bring it to you Christmas too. Maybe
it's just gonna be Christmas where you are.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
He also knocks at their house, which I think is crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Because their new house I've never lived in, Like I
that's not my house, Like I've never lived there.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I did think about that from time to time when
I go to Helma's house, I'm like, what she just
in here, like living her life, like getting it out
on something, And I'm just barging every single time.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You want people to barge into your house, I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Want them to come to my house. As a parent. Parent,
you don't have rights, no, Like you don't.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Have Like I get mad when Mike's dad just lets
himself in the house and I'm like, I don't have
pants on, and I'm like hello, sir, like so like
I could just not imagine like doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You don't have rights as a parent. You don't I
can go through your phone. You don't have privacy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, that's going to be a weird thing. I think
about this sometimes when you know, my parents have lived
in the same house for thirty eight years. It's a
house that we grew up in. I mean, at some
point they're going to sell it and then we'll wind
up going to a house that I didn't grow up in,
And I think that's going to be really strange actually,
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like because it's still home, I guess, but it's not
really my home the way that the other one is.
Like the other one, I have so many memories and
we've never moved really, so I don't know, that's going
to be very strange. And then I thought about maybe
someboday if I bought it from them, because I like
the house and I like where it is, but then like,
I'd probably change a lot of stuff because it'd be
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weird to live in the house that you grew up in. Yeah,
you know, like it would be cool and nostalgic, and
you know you always have that, but then it would
be strange for me to go back to Arizona and
drive by that house and it's not ours anymore. Like that,
because I also have a feeling if somebody bought it
they would make drastic changes to it because it was
built in nineteen ninety, right, so like it's and it
was pretty modern looking, but like someone, I mean, I
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could see someone tearing it down because I think the
land is probably worth more than a house. Now, that
would be weird. That would be really strange, even though
you don't live there anymore. It's like it's like someone
doesn't see the value in it that you do, which
is a lot of houses. It happens every day, but
that would be strange.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I drive by my parents' old house sometimes like that
they just doubt of and it looks still the same,
and it's been like a little over a year. But
someone has like a kayak on the side, and like,
what does kayak do it here? We have no kayaks,
Like I don't know, you still have like a weird
like possession over it, Like I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I do it all the time anytime I'm in the neighborhood,
not just to see and like why y'all got the
garage open?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know those bushes?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know a legend used to live there?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Crazy, yeah, back on the door Leanta did live there.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Jennifer, Jennifer, that's my favorite, Kiki, h.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You should go. You should do what get a sign
and then just put it in their yard like former
home of the legend and see how long they keep
it up hours minutes tourist attraction. No, it's funny because
we did live in one other house not far from
the one that we have lived in the longest, and
I do drive by it sometimes and I've tried to
see I've tried to find listings of it because they
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have to have gutted the inside of it, because that
house was built in nineteen eighty, so like, there's no
way it looks the same. But I would love to
know what they did with it, but I can't find listings.
I think it's sold a couple times, but I can't
find like a recent listing to see what the inside
looks like. And you can't exactly just go knock on
people's door and go, hey, I used to live here.
Can I see the inside? Like people would think you're
casing the place, you know, even if you were telling
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the truth.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
I did that at Michigan State over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But I think it's a.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Different vibe when everybody's partying and tailgating.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Then Hey, where'd you got you into the condo you
lived in? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The house? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What was it? Sorority?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
No? A sorty house? Like no, I went.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
We lived in a nine person house, three guys, six girls,
and so it was on my way. So I was like, hey,
I guess you used to live in, Like, come on
in the sorty house is all locked up and that's
been redone but.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I went back. My sister went to college where I
went to college years after I did, and I went
back to the They had a new fraternity house, but
I went there. They've since been kicked off, but a
bunch of us got kicked out of that fraternity, and
so I went there, or my sister really wanted to go,
and so we go there. And then I was like, yeah,
I was, I was in. I was, I was one
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of I was this fornity or whatever, right, And they
were like, what's your number? Because everybody initiated got a
number in the order in which you were initiated, and
it was the chapter name. So in this case, I'll
say it was Gamma Sigma the fraternity, and then our
chapter was Gamma Sigma. And I was nineteen sixty seven,
Oh wow, nine hundred and sixty seventh initiated into the fraternity,
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and so that was how you were down to fight.
Like in chapter meetings, it was Gamma Sigma whatever. Yeah,
And so I was like, yeah, I'm Gama Sigma nineteen
sixty seven. And this kid eight years later goes Christopher Frederick,
and I'm like, how do you know that? He goes
We had to memorize the names of the fifteen people
that almost single handedly brought this fraternity to its knees.
So the narrative over the years is that we were
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going to get the fraternity kicked off. Lo and behold.
It was that group of kids that got the fraternity
kicked out. But they thought I was a legend. They
were like nothing to get kicked out. Nothing, nothing, nothing.
It was a no hazing fraternity. And our class made
the previous class do like bonding stuff like it wasn't
even hazing. We would make them like, all go I
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think I think like it was like making the band shit.
It would be like all of you have to go
to Austin and get this and bring it back when
we were in Dallas or whatever, or all of you
have to do this or that. But it was it
wasn't like it was nothing like what Oh my gosh, No,
I know a kid who got initiated. It was my
roommate into another fraternity. On the very first night. There
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were ten of them on the very first night. They
put them in a circle and they handed him a
handle of whiskey, a handle, and they said the last
person in the circle has to drink what's left, don't
fuck your brother, And that was the thing. So you
had to drink your share, like you know what I mean,
because whoever was the last guy to get the handle
had to finish the handle. So like if you didn't
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drink a tenth of it or more, then then the
next guy would have to drink more and more. And
the point was like you guys off, but I mean,
we're talking about an excessive amount of.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Alcohol half gallon. How many kids was it?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Did you say?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Ten? Wow? Yeah? And then they had if they called.
This is before everybody had a cell phone, so if
they called one of them, they all had to be
at the house within five minutes. And so they all
went out and got pagers because this was like a
pages were just coming out. But that was the only
way they could coordinate to get them all there because
if all of them weren't there together, we had a problem.
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And it was they had to have cigarettes at all times,
quarters in case a girl needed one for any purpose,
phone tampon. Otherwise you had to have a quarter. You
had to have cigarettes, and you had to have something
else at all times on you and if you didn't,
then that was going to be a problem too. But anyway,
I went back and these guys were like, whoa dude,
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And then they showed us where literally you know those
composits they have in fraternities, like where everybody in.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
The fraternity steel them as assorty girls. We'd go in
the house and.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, so if you're not, if you weren't in one,
like for whatever year whatever it is, twenty twenty four
to twenty five, all the members took a picture like
individual headshots, and then the composite had all of our
individual headshots and names for the year that we were
all in, and on the wall they had all the
composites and then the three years that we were there
were empty on the wall. They had destroyed the composites
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so like, but they left a space where they were
supposed to be, but they destroyed them because O YOA.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Did was a light hazing and you're the worst.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Right, But then those guys got kicked off for like
actual bad stuff, So I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah,
now now they're gone, they're not even they're like not
even allowed on our campus. She did. Yeah, I don't know,
but I thought it was. My sister was so impressed
by that she was like, oh you were bad, Like
you're crazy, Like we didn't do anything, like this is silly,
(22:24):
but I feel like it's folklore, Like it's just they
somebody made it into a narrative and it became like
you know, because eight years later, like who you got
to check in with? And then of course Monday morning,
I get a call from the kid who's in charge
of like alumni relations scene if i'd pay for the
next party, and I'm like, you fuckers kicked me out. No, No,
they were like, hey, you know, we're we're doing a
fun for a you know, blah blah blah. I'm like,
(22:45):
are you loved that for you have fun? Sorry, there
was a handshake. There were like certain slow like like
things that you whispered. And I have to be honest,
the initiation, I won't get into it. The initiation was
downright creepy and weird. Were you Kyle? Yes, So you
did the thing in the coffin.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So we we did not.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
That stopped because a girl had lost someone close to
her and so we did not do that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But we heard about that.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, we did have to watch Ted Bundy killed a
bunch of coyos. So we did watch that, but yeah,
ours is very like we were in robes and there
were a.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Dead owl thing at one point, wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Allegedly yeah right right, heard right, but there may be
used to be something with a coffin.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
We did not have to do that, but I was ready.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I feel like all my friends who told me about initiations,
they're all similar. It's all this idea that you were
you were killed and reborn as a member of the fraternity.
It's like it's when you're eighteen years old and it's
a social thing and you think this stuff is like
cool and you know, and maybe I don't know, in
some weird bonding way it was. But like in retrospect,
I look back and I was like, that was the
(23:54):
stuff they made us do was all very strange, like
like sort of religion just based. But then like also
kind of like some of the like they had outfits
that they wore to initiate people like yeah not not
good who yeah, oh right, like scary looking like goblin hood,
(24:15):
like yeah, like your face their faces covered. And they
were members of the of the fraternity who did the initiations.
But we weren't allowed to know who had the power
to do it. Oh my goodness, Oh yeah, it was
his whole mind. F Yeah, I didn't say the name
of the fraternity to so I think no, Like, there's
a part of the initiation night where they deprive you
of sleep for like eighteen hours and then they convince
(24:35):
you that you answered. They bring you into a room
by yourself, basically naked in your underwear, and they ask
you a question but there's no way to answer the
question correctly. But you don't know that, And I kid
you not. There's a skit and I had to do
it as a big brother, and I had it done
to me. They put you in a room and then
all your big brothers, all the mentors, they come in
and tell you that you just fucked up and you're
out and like you're not in anymore. And the only
(24:57):
way that maybe we can fix this but you got
to go back in there and you got to ask
for forgiveness. And then it turns out it's all part
of the gimmick. Like the whole skit is a thing
to make you believe that you failed and then were
like rebirthed and redeemed. It's like very fucked up. Oh
my godness. Yeah, But it's a whole. It was a whole.
It was skit to lies.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah no, ours wasn't like that, but we did have
to be pure, like no makeup for our robes.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Like it was very much just get jumped into the gang, okay,
because that's how we got in crime, op.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But what I call this out of each other, yeah,
just get beat up.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I will say, like the majority of my best friends
are from that experience.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So while it's stupid, I.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Am like, yeah, like I'm not I'm not dissing it,
and I know people that don't know. At my school,
you basically had to do it this very small student body,
and everybody did so you sort of if you wanted
to be part of the social scene, you did. But
I will say I was buddies with all the guys.
They this fraternity like went after a group of us,
like they they were like ten of us live in
(26:00):
the same hall way. Well yeah, but like for me,
I was already friends with these guys because you I
hear people say it's paid friendship, like, oh, you're paying
for socialization. Well maybe maybe, but like in this case,
the guys to your point, Camel and the guys I
can think of that I still talk to. I was
friends with them anyway, And all this meant was that
we spent more time together and wound up living together
(26:22):
for a year.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And you have to be in each other's wedding. Is
that is that a real thing?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Because I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Was are everything like you have to think.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Oh, yeah, it's not like half two for us, but
I those are my like if I had not done that,
so I can't picture my life without my best friends.
Although a lot of the you know, pomp and circumstance
was not for us, and we kind of banded together
and were like, if you want our money, we're not
going to do some of us.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
That was my sister too. She didn't but yeah she took.
She took from it, and I did the same thing.
And then I I was part of the group of
guys that got kicked out, and I think there was
a chance I could have, Like there were a few
of us. They were like, hey, if you appeal this,
you can stay, and I'm like, fuck you. You just
kicked all my friends out for doing nothing. Because I
don't know if your if your sorority was like this,
(27:10):
but it became very political. There was our group of
guys there was an older generation that was still there,
and then there was a younger generation, and like there
were differences and opinion about how the place should be
run and like what should we should be doing, you know,
because like the fraternity had a reputation for good grades
and whatever, but then we threw big parties, which was not,
(27:30):
you know, really in line with what they wanted. But
they but the guys who wanted to be the pretty,
you know, the goodie two shoes, wanted to come to
the parties, but they didn't want it. They didn't want
so anyway, those are the guys who voted us out.
But then they were like, but some of you can stay.
And it's like this is all just fucking dumb. So
we all just we all left and then got apartments
and whatever. But yeah, I don't regret it. But as
(27:52):
I sit here and talk about it, I'm like, that
was some weird shit we did. Yeah, and a little
homo erotic too.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Actually I've seen those videos.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, right, Like why why were you so intent on?
Like whose idea was.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
That we always naked?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Underwear?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, that was a wild night. It's amazing what happens
when you listen to vertical Horizon a thousand times in
a row. Yeah, uh yeah. We sat in a room.
And the wildest part is at church. They we did
it in a church, and they like a church school,
so like we use the classrooms too. Some church rented themselves,
(28:32):
like for I guess it was. It was a Thursday
night into Saturday morning. We rented it and they were like,
we won't come by. It's fine. So I mean, like,
how do you negotiate that. A couple of fraternity go, hey, hey,
our fraternity needs your church, your your worship space for
(28:52):
forty eight hours. And the church was like, as long
as you're out by Saturday afternoon because we have we
have a mass or whatever. And I'm just I'm thinking, like,
you're you have no idea what you just signed up for.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
People are being tortured.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
This is crazy. I'm glad you guys are okay, Like
that sounds painful.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I don't know. It was just what you did dramatic,
Yeah it was, but it was And I don't know
it was what you did, like it was everybody you
had to do.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
To say.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
The kids that didn't do it were considered kind of
weird because it's just very that was. That was the culture.
Like you if you wanted to get invited to parties
and you wanted all that, then that then you know
you had because you know, sororities would invite fraternities and
they we would do like mixers and galas and the
other thing we did was some very inappropriate parties.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh yeah, wild and.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
CEOs like ship that now now even though it wasn't
really that offensive because there was no like everybody was
a ho.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know, we had to be hoes.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
But like some of the parties now, oh my god. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know we've evolved as a as a nation.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I don't actually have we in no clothing.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But now that fraternity house is a parking garage, the
one I lived in. So that's that's what it should
be like that. That's another thing. I have no idea
how I lived in those surroundings. I have no idea.
It was so disgusting, so disgusting, and that's what she did.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So it didn't take you down.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm telling you no, no, trust me. I don't think
anything can after that. I lived in that. My superimmunity
I hope last for the rest of my life. I
probably should be full of like asbestos and mesothelioma and
whatever other things you see those commercials for at night. Yeah,
I should have all of them.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
We had mold, We have all kinds.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like I can tend. The university tore that house down
and put a parking garage there, so there could be
no evidence of what was it because the university owned
the house, or maybe we owned the house. I can't remember,
they owned the land. I don't know anyway. All I
know is there's concrete over the top of it now,
so like there's no way to prove what we were
all exposed to. What did I tell you? Thirty minutes later,
(31:05):
we're still talking. All right, Well, there's a tangent. Let's
go outside now where it's got Well, outside is called right,
That's right, That's where I want to go. Uh. Listen
to the Tangent on the iHeartRadio app and listen to
our show too, also on YouTube as well. Search for
the Fred Show on there. Have a Good Day.
Yeah, in the meantime, we should talk about this up
that we're not gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The spot.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I might have to blow the spot hit the intros
to a tangent quickly.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's the tangent giving you all this ship we couldn't
talk about on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
So I don't know. This tangent may not last very long.
I said that. I say that, then forty five minutes later,
we're like talking about deep issues about life or whatever.
But it's hot as ship in this room because I
don't know we I don't know why. It would just prop.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
The door completely open and see who comes in.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Don't worry. They don't hesitate to come in anyway, even
when the door is closed.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
That could be a fun tangent.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Yeah, our door is like a sitcom as you really,
we don't know who's coming in.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's like Crammer every time, like who's it going to be? Yeah,
it's like probably I'm not even exaggerating, and nobody cares.
If you're listening to this, you don't give a ship.
But it's probably thirty degrees cooler in the hallway, and
then the room's not very big, so it's already warm,
and then you put a bunch of bodies in here
and that makes it warm.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
In these computers that are spelling.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, you undercarriage. It's yeah, not good. But we were
talking about free methods of watching things that you don't
want to pay for, which is what free means. Live now.
But I remember, I don't know if you guys had
this growing up, but I when I was really young,
I mean like seven or eight. You know, you had
(01:23):
like a cable box right, hit cable at the house,
and then certain stuff was scrambled. So then someone just
someone just did it. Adam Kirch just did it. He
just tried. He just tried it. He can't, but we
just said, if.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
He knows we're on the podcast, he doesn't like to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, see if he wants to Adam, what do you
come in here? Come on in, come in at him.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We need like a last track.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Look at him well, and I'll give you some more
inside radio is uh. I. I didn't complain, but I
had a So they built these studios, right, they built
these studios, and before they built them, I asked it,
like you guys are building studios from scratch, right, Like
you're like like from the ground up. They're like, yeah,
(02:08):
I'm like, well, can I can I talk today? Like
can we get on a call and like the guys
who are you know, designing it? Can I have some
input in how we're doing it because I have some
ideas that might be good for you know, people who
actually do this, considering the people who were designing it
have never fucking done this. So I get on the
call and I was told no to everything. But they
put us on the top floor of this building with
incredible views, two hundred and seventy degree views in this office.
(02:31):
Yet they built studio radio studios inside the building in
rooms with no windows, so which I'm like, well, why
you may as well put us on the first floor.
Why are you spending all this money on the top floor.
We can't even see anything. I said, And by the way,
like it means something to radio people, So look out
the window and see a city like Chicago. It means
something like people work hard. Our old studios had a view,
(02:52):
and it's like you look out the window, You're like,
this is fucking cool, like we're on a radio and wherever,
and but no, no, we didn't do that. So then
I have dinner with our chairman a few months ago.
He's asking about the studios and I was like, a,
you know, it would have been cool if they'd like
put us up against those windows, you know, cause the
windows it's a great view and it could have been
really cool and everything. And he was like, why aren't
(03:14):
their windows And I'm like, well, I don't. I don't know, sir,
you're the chairman. That would have been sort of in
your purview, I guess, and I did. I did say that.
And my other favorite was when he came by and
there were no speak There are no speakers in our studio.
We have computer speakers. That's what we use, like literally,
like they came with a Dell computer. That's that. Those
are the speakers in the studio. And he came by
and he texted me where are the speakers? And I said, well,
(03:35):
I was told that you thought they were ugly, so
they didn't put them in, and he was I never
said that, so what do they do. They just put
bigger computer speakers in in the same place anyway, So
I was like, I don't know. He goes, well, do
you want a window, I'll knock a wall down. And
I was like, I don't. I don't. I don't know
if that's what I was really campaigning for, was for
them to just build this a whole new structure, like
(03:55):
I wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
A whole new student like a whole new building, because
like this JOS.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Growing and and they're not spending any money on us,
so they may as well, like make the studio look cool,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And you can't even imagine what would happen if they
try to put a window in this wall.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So we're going to knock this wall down, the one
to my left and put a window in. And then
apparently now they're not going to do that, so what
do they do. They're going to supposedly this was like
four months ago, they're going to take that door out
and put a clear door in its place. Only our
studio though, because I was I was the one who complained,
so I didn't even complain. I just pointed it out.
(04:28):
So and they've been working on this for months now.
But I think that's a bad idea now because I
think all people are going to do is just come
by and stare in and I'm the only one who
has to look at them because it's right in my purview,
so it's it's my problem now to deal with. And
I didn't even want it perview. What I wanted was
that I wanted I want a whole new room that
would look really cool for videos and stuff that like
(04:50):
showed where we were and what we were doing. No. No,
couldn't have it. So now we're going to have a
where is it? Have you heard anything more about it? No?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I have not heard anything. I'm trying to get this
one fixed. It on whistle.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's that's the other thing. We got air pressure issues.
There's a low pressure in here in a high pressure
system out there. I guess which is. So I don't know.
This is a fucking disaster. Back to the topic in
hand cable boxes and then there were certain channels that
were scrambled somehow. This is obviously very low tech because
(05:21):
this was their eighties. But like you could call the
cable channel and say turn it on, and they'd say okay,
and then they'd send you. Then they'd bill you, like
for the for like I think it was called spice.
It was called spice. It was like it was like porn,
but they were naked, but it was funny. It was interesting.
They were naked, but they never showed a dick, only vaginas.
(05:42):
They never showed. They never showed actual vaginas. They would
just show like they never showed, and there was no penetration.
So I don't think these guys were actually having sex
even like I think it was porn, but it was
basically just naked. But it wasn't all the way naked.
I don't know. I don't know, but you never saw dick,
and then you never actually saw like like Labia, you
(06:03):
never did. It was just whatever. It was almost like
naked dry humping that you paid for. So anyway, I
bring this up because there were companies that sold these
these cable boxes that you could buy that were illegal
that somehow unscrambled everything. So we had them except in
our bedrooms, like in the only the only room in
(06:23):
the house that you could watch porn was my parents' room. Remarkably,
because you could deep you could program all of them
not to show it, you other like so like my bedroom,
it was turned off and then they had like a
little thing on the back with a lock and if
you unlocked it and like reset it, then then it
went back to normally you could watch everything. And I
did that many times. But did you guys, can you
(06:45):
relate to this, Like if you if you flip the
channels really fast, it's some would unscramble it for like
a couple seconds so you could watch porn. So like
we'd sit there and go like back and forth, like
the length the length that we went to to be
able to like see something back in the day. But yeah, no,
we had like HBO for free, We had you know whatever,
(07:06):
and then eventually they found the cable company figured out
a workaround, and then they didn't work anymore. But like,
if we ever had to have the cable work done,
we would have to go and take all these boxes
out of the rooms and then put the ones they
gave us back, because if the cable company came over
and saw we had these like you know, black market
cable boxes, and we'd be in trouble. But you could
watch all the movie channels. You could watch everything. And yeah,
(07:32):
but that was my that was my memory, was trying
to like flip the channel super fast just to watch
the porn.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I do remember in college, we it was still like
a DVD society, but we had laptops and I'll never
forget they started rolling out these these allegedly these illegal
websites where you could watch different shows or whatever. But
because it was not very legal, there would be like
an episode missing or you could only see halfway. So
I would watch like I've tried to binge, like One
(07:59):
Tree Hill, but I was missing a couple key episodes,
and so I didn't really know. But I do remember
if there was a movie or something.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
We wanted to watch.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
We didn't have a DVD and there weren't streaming services,
we would watch those illegally.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
In our rooms.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
But I don't remember the I do remember Howard Stern
being very racy late night his E show, Yeah, and
I remember that was like our spicy thing we would watch.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In him and the TV spinning around or whatever. That was. Yeah,
in the city in what.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Was that older lady that you should teach us about six?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh, doctor Ruth?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I want to watch her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Oh there was another one too, though I think I
know who you're talking about. It wasn't doctor Ruth. It
was like it was a Canadian woman, Sue, doctor Sue.
Am I okay, I think it was doctor Sue. She
was Canadian and like she got mm hmm. I mean
it was anatomical, but it was extremely detailed.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh yeah, sex therapists. Oh my gosh, wow, Sue Johnson.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Is she still alive?
Speaker 5 (08:57):
No, she passed away well judging from her, yeah, no,
she actually passed away semi recently.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But she looks like pretty.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Old in Yeah, it was an old woman like talking
about like in graphic detail, but it was supposed to
be educational.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So she was a real hero, a real pioneer, you know.
Happy for her, and I hope she's enjoying you know,
gat life. Yeah, no, she did. She helped a lot
of people. So I guess I'm the only one who
had this experience. You said you did.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, so we used to.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I didn't watch porn that way, but when I was
a wrestling fanly I was in a w W E
and so was.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Your wrestler triple h Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And then he was with China for a while. I
remember her. I loved her, but we wouldn't get the
pay per view and so I could watch it if
I went like one channel up and it was all blurry,
so I'd be like trying to like.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
See but you could hear it fine, Yeah, which was nice.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, this makes sense for you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, I love wrestling.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Suck it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, I walk around here and do that sometimes.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, dude, I would love to be a fly on
the wall in those production meetings where they sit around
and come up with new characters and stuff, because you
know that they have to throw out fifty ideas before
they come up with the one they go with. But
can you imagine some of the shit that's like never
made it out of the room, Like, guys, guys, this
is what we're gonna do, you know? Or what about
what if we hit out right right? And then because again,
(10:30):
like to come up with twenty characters, they probably have
had to work through one hundred hundreds. Yeah you know
what I mean. So you know some people have thrown
out some wild stuff. Okay, we're gonna light the guy
on fire every time, you know, like just heat like
but like like like listen to my whole idea here,
you know what I mean? Yeah, that would be right.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And they do shows like every day now, either on
TV or like off TV shows, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Coming up with that every day is crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, that would be hard. That would be fun, though.
I think I just want to hear the ideas that
they could or more importantly, the idea is that they
wanted to do and the lawyers wouldn't let them, Like
those are the ones I want to see, are the
ones that made it out of the writer's room. But
then the lawyers are like, okay, no. And I'd also
would like to meet their lawyers because I've met our
lawyers and they just say no to everything, and I
(11:20):
know why because they don't want to have to deal
with it. So but we're we're a creative company, so
like sometimes when they sometimes we don't ask them because
it's like you can deal with it later, like because
you know, because you're just saying no, because you don't
there's a potential that you would have a pain in
your ass, so you just say no. But those guys can't,
(11:41):
Like they're having those guys have to say yes to
stuff all the time that they're like, oh oh God,
like this is not this is not going to be good,
you know, but they said no to everything, there'd be
no wwe So I'd love to hear the stuff that
they actually have to put their foot down and be like,
we cannot do that. It's crazy, we can't. I would
love to know what those are, But I'm sure, we'll
(12:01):
never hear them because they're all under non disclosure and
whatever else. But anyway, so taking to you.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
It's hard to dress because like it's freezing in the
morning and then it's been like a little bit warmer
during the day, and then in the studio it's you know,
tropical vacation.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So I don't know what to wear.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah. No, it's awfully balming in here.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm not even getting a tan out of it, though,
like at least you know, right, I guess we come
out a little bit like lighter came in. Yeah, that's
good for me. Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're about to get a tan.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I will just say right here, you come, what do
you call it? See now I heard you say it.
I'm like, yeah, except it's not called that. That's what
you call it. Luthra is what it's called. Now? Where
is that? It's an island in the Bahamas where we go.
(12:58):
It's not that boogie, but it's where we go for
Thanksgiving and have for a long time. Eluthra.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I love that right here?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
The other.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Why would you guys say Eurekathra.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Eurekak thrust now Eluthra? She Now, now I'm saying it wrong.
I'm gonna go, hey, I'm so happy to be hearing Urethra,
you know, and I'm gonna be like, you idiot, like
that's get out of here, go out. They'll they'll deport
me name from the Bahamas, it right, kick me out,
ye know. That's that's what's happening. What are you guys
(13:34):
all doing? Are you anything fun?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Chilling?
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Eating?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Actually I haven't been invited to my parents yet, so
I'm assuming they're having Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You think you're supposed to be invited.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
My mom always say like, oh, I'm doing Thanksgiving, comet
to come at three whatever, And she didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
So do I reach out like, hey, are you doing
things giving?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What if they have a trip plan?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What if they're going to I.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Mean that's okay because I'll probably miss Christmas. So like
she doesn't know this. Yeah, I'm gonna break it to her.
It was like, so, I had my knee surgery like
two days before, so I don't think i'll be able
to go mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So she'll just bring it to you Christmas too. Maybe
it's just gonna be Christmas where you are.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
He also knocks at their house, which I think is crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Because their new house I've never lived in, Like I
that's not my house, Like I've never lived there.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I did think about that from time to time when
I go to Helma's house, I'm like, what she just
in here, like living her life, like getting it out
on something, And I'm just barging every single time.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You want people to barge into your house, I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Want them to come to my house. As a parent. Parent,
you don't have rights, no, Like you don't.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Have Like I get mad when Mike's dad just lets
himself in the house and I'm like, I don't have
pants on, and I'm like hello, sir, like so like
I could just not imagine like doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You don't have rights as a parent. You don't I
can go through your phone. You don't have privacy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, that's going to be a weird thing. I think
about this sometimes when you know, my parents have lived
in the same house for thirty eight years. It's a
house that we grew up in. I mean, at some
point they're going to sell it and then we'll wind
up going to a house that I didn't grow up in,
And I think that's going to be really strange actually,
(15:21):
like because it's still home, I guess, but it's not
really my home the way that the other one is.
Like the other one, I have so many memories and
we've never moved really, so I don't know, that's going
to be very strange. And then I thought about maybe
someboday if I bought it from them, because I like
the house and I like where it is, but then like,
I'd probably change a lot of stuff because it'd be
(15:42):
weird to live in the house that you grew up in. Yeah,
you know, like it would be cool and nostalgic, and
you know you always have that, but then it would
be strange for me to go back to Arizona and
drive by that house and it's not ours anymore. Like that,
because I also have a feeling if somebody bought it
they would make drastic changes to it because it was
built in nineteen ninety, right, so like it's and it
was pretty modern looking, but like someone, I mean, I
(16:04):
could see someone tearing it down because I think the
land is probably worth more than a house. Now, that
would be weird. That would be really strange, even though
you don't live there anymore. It's like it's like someone
doesn't see the value in it that you do, which
is a lot of houses. It happens every day, but
that would be strange.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I drive by my parents' old house sometimes like that
they just doubt of and it looks still the same,
and it's been like a little over a year. But
someone has like a kayak on the side, and like,
what does kayak do it here? We have no kayaks,
Like I don't know, you still have like a weird
like possession over it, Like I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I do it all the time anytime I'm in the neighborhood,
not just to see and like why y'all got the
garage open?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know those bushes?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know a legend used to live there?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Crazy, yeah, back on the door Leanta did live there.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Jennifer, Jennifer, that's my favorite, Kiki, h.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You should go. You should do what get a sign
and then just put it in their yard like former
home of the legend and see how long they keep
it up hours minutes tourist attraction. No, it's funny because
we did live in one other house not far from
the one that we have lived in the longest, and
I do drive by it sometimes and I've tried to
see I've tried to find listings of it because they
(17:24):
have to have gutted the inside of it, because that
house was built in nineteen eighty, so like, there's no
way it looks the same. But I would love to
know what they did with it, but I can't find listings.
I think it's sold a couple times, but I can't
find like a recent listing to see what the inside
looks like. And you can't exactly just go knock on
people's door and go, hey, I used to live here.
Can I see the inside? Like people would think you're
casing the place, you know, even if you were telling
(17:47):
the truth.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
I did that at Michigan State over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But I think it's a.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Different vibe when everybody's partying and tailgating.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Then Hey, where'd you got you into the condo you
lived in? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The house? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What was it? Sorority?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
No? A sorty house? Like no, I went.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
We lived in a nine person house, three guys, six girls,
and so it was on my way. So I was like, hey,
I guess you used to live in, Like, come on
in the sorty house is all locked up and that's
been redone but.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I went back. My sister went to college where I
went to college years after I did, and I went
back to the They had a new fraternity house, but
I went there. They've since been kicked off, but a
bunch of us got kicked out of that fraternity, and
so I went there, or my sister really wanted to go,
and so we go there. And then I was like, yeah,
I was, I was in. I was, I was one
(18:36):
of I was this fornity or whatever, right, And they
were like, what's your number? Because everybody initiated got a
number in the order in which you were initiated, and
it was the chapter name. So in this case, I'll
say it was Gamma Sigma the fraternity, and then our
chapter was Gamma Sigma. And I was nineteen sixty seven,
Oh wow, nine hundred and sixty seventh initiated into the fraternity,
(18:58):
and so that was how you were down to fight.
Like in chapter meetings, it was Gamma Sigma whatever. Yeah,
And so I was like, yeah, I'm Gama Sigma nineteen
sixty seven. And this kid eight years later goes Christopher Frederick,
and I'm like, how do you know that? He goes
We had to memorize the names of the fifteen people
that almost single handedly brought this fraternity to its knees.
So the narrative over the years is that we were
(19:19):
going to get the fraternity kicked off. Lo and behold.
It was that group of kids that got the fraternity
kicked out. But they thought I was a legend. They
were like nothing to get kicked out. Nothing, nothing, nothing.
It was a no hazing fraternity. And our class made
the previous class do like bonding stuff like it wasn't
even hazing. We would make them like, all go I
(19:42):
think I think like it was like making the band shit.
It would be like all of you have to go
to Austin and get this and bring it back when
we were in Dallas or whatever, or all of you
have to do this or that. But it was it
wasn't like it was nothing like what Oh my gosh, No,
I know a kid who got initiated. It was my
roommate into another fraternity. On the very first night. There
(20:03):
were ten of them on the very first night. They
put them in a circle and they handed him a
handle of whiskey, a handle, and they said the last
person in the circle has to drink what's left, don't
fuck your brother, And that was the thing. So you
had to drink your share, like you know what I mean,
because whoever was the last guy to get the handle
had to finish the handle. So like if you didn't
(20:25):
drink a tenth of it or more, then then the
next guy would have to drink more and more. And
the point was like you guys off, but I mean,
we're talking about an excessive amount of.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Alcohol half gallon. How many kids was it?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Did you say?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Ten? Wow? Yeah? And then they had if they called.
This is before everybody had a cell phone, so if
they called one of them, they all had to be
at the house within five minutes. And so they all
went out and got pagers because this was like a
pages were just coming out. But that was the only
way they could coordinate to get them all there because
if all of them weren't there together, we had a problem.
(21:01):
And it was they had to have cigarettes at all times,
quarters in case a girl needed one for any purpose,
phone tampon. Otherwise you had to have a quarter. You
had to have cigarettes, and you had to have something
else at all times on you and if you didn't,
then that was going to be a problem too. But anyway,
I went back and these guys were like, whoa dude,
(21:22):
And then they showed us where literally you know those
composits they have in fraternities, like where everybody in.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
The fraternity steel them as assorty girls. We'd go in
the house and.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, so if you're not, if you weren't in one,
like for whatever year whatever it is, twenty twenty four
to twenty five, all the members took a picture like
individual headshots, and then the composite had all of our
individual headshots and names for the year that we were
all in, and on the wall they had all the
composites and then the three years that we were there
were empty on the wall. They had destroyed the composites
(21:53):
so like, but they left a space where they were
supposed to be, but they destroyed them because O YOA.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Did was a light hazing and you're the worst.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Right, But then those guys got kicked off for like
actual bad stuff, So I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah,
now now they're gone, they're not even they're like not
even allowed on our campus. She did. Yeah, I don't know,
but I thought it was. My sister was so impressed
by that she was like, oh you were bad, Like
you're crazy, Like we didn't do anything, like this is silly,
(22:24):
but I feel like it's folklore, Like it's just they
somebody made it into a narrative and it became like
you know, because eight years later, like who you got
to check in with? And then of course Monday morning,
I get a call from the kid who's in charge
of like alumni relations scene if i'd pay for the
next party, and I'm like, you fuckers kicked me out. No, No,
they were like, hey, you know, we're we're doing a
fun for a you know, blah blah blah. I'm like,
(22:45):
are you loved that for you have fun? Sorry, there
was a handshake. There were like certain slow like like
things that you whispered. And I have to be honest,
the initiation, I won't get into it. The initiation was
downright creepy and weird. Were you Kyle? Yes, So you
did the thing in the coffin.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So we we did not.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
That stopped because a girl had lost someone close to
her and so we did not do that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
But we heard about that.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, we did have to watch Ted Bundy killed a
bunch of coyos. So we did watch that, but yeah,
ours is very like we were in robes and there
were a.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Dead owl thing at one point, wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Allegedly yeah right right, heard right, but there may be
used to be something with a coffin.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
We did not have to do that, but I was ready.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I feel like all my friends who told me about initiations,
they're all similar. It's all this idea that you were
you were killed and reborn as a member of the fraternity.
It's like it's when you're eighteen years old and it's
a social thing and you think this stuff is like
cool and you know, and maybe I don't know, in
some weird bonding way it was. But like in retrospect,
I look back and I was like, that was the
(23:54):
stuff they made us do was all very strange, like
like sort of religion just based. But then like also
kind of like some of the like they had outfits
that they wore to initiate people like yeah not not
good who yeah, oh right, like scary looking like goblin hood,
(24:15):
like yeah, like your face their faces covered. And they
were members of the of the fraternity who did the initiations.
But we weren't allowed to know who had the power
to do it. Oh my goodness, Oh yeah, it was
his whole mind. F Yeah, I didn't say the name
of the fraternity to so I think no, Like, there's
a part of the initiation night where they deprive you
of sleep for like eighteen hours and then they convince
(24:35):
you that you answered. They bring you into a room
by yourself, basically naked in your underwear, and they ask
you a question but there's no way to answer the
question correctly. But you don't know that, And I kid
you not. There's a skit and I had to do
it as a big brother, and I had it done
to me. They put you in a room and then
all your big brothers, all the mentors, they come in
and tell you that you just fucked up and you're
out and like you're not in anymore. And the only
(24:57):
way that maybe we can fix this but you got
to go back in there and you got to ask
for forgiveness. And then it turns out it's all part
of the gimmick. Like the whole skit is a thing
to make you believe that you failed and then were
like rebirthed and redeemed. It's like very fucked up. Oh
my godness. Yeah, But it's a whole. It was a whole.
It was skit to lies.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah no, ours wasn't like that, but we did have
to be pure, like no makeup for our robes.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Like it was very much just get jumped into the gang, okay,
because that's how we got in crime, op.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But what I call this out of each other, yeah,
just get beat up.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
I will say, like the majority of my best friends
are from that experience.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So while it's stupid, I.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Am like, yeah, like I'm not I'm not dissing it,
and I know people that don't know. At my school,
you basically had to do it this very small student body,
and everybody did so you sort of if you wanted
to be part of the social scene, you did. But
I will say I was buddies with all the guys.
They this fraternity like went after a group of us,
like they they were like ten of us live in
(26:00):
the same hall way. Well yeah, but like for me,
I was already friends with these guys because you I
hear people say it's paid friendship, like, oh, you're paying
for socialization. Well maybe maybe, but like in this case,
the guys to your point, Camel and the guys I
can think of that I still talk to. I was
friends with them anyway, And all this meant was that
we spent more time together and wound up living together
(26:22):
for a year.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And you have to be in each other's wedding. Is
that is that a real thing?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Because I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Was are everything like you have to think.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Oh, yeah, it's not like half two for us, but
I those are my like if I had not done that,
so I can't picture my life without my best friends.
Although a lot of the you know, pomp and circumstance
was not for us, and we kind of banded together
and were like, if you want our money, we're not
going to do some of us.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
That was my sister too. She didn't but yeah she took.
She took from it, and I did the same thing.
And then I I was part of the group of
guys that got kicked out, and I think there was
a chance I could have, Like there were a few
of us. They were like, hey, if you appeal this,
you can stay, and I'm like, fuck you. You just
kicked all my friends out for doing nothing. Because I
don't know if your if your sorority was like this,
(27:10):
but it became very political. There was our group of
guys there was an older generation that was still there,
and then there was a younger generation, and like there
were differences and opinion about how the place should be
run and like what should we should be doing, you know,
because like the fraternity had a reputation for good grades
and whatever, but then we threw big parties, which was not,
(27:30):
you know, really in line with what they wanted. But
they but the guys who wanted to be the pretty,
you know, the goodie two shoes, wanted to come to
the parties, but they didn't want it. They didn't want
so anyway, those are the guys who voted us out.
But then they were like, but some of you can stay.
And it's like this is all just fucking dumb. So
we all just we all left and then got apartments
and whatever. But yeah, I don't regret it. But as
(27:52):
I sit here and talk about it, I'm like, that
was some weird shit we did. Yeah, and a little
homo erotic too.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Actually I've seen those videos.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, right, Like why why were you so intent on?
Like whose idea was.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
That we always naked?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Underwear?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, that was a wild night. It's amazing what happens
when you listen to vertical Horizon a thousand times in
a row. Yeah, uh yeah. We sat in a room.
And the wildest part is at church. They we did
it in a church, and they like a church school,
so like we use the classrooms too. Some church rented themselves,
(28:32):
like for I guess it was. It was a Thursday
night into Saturday morning. We rented it and they were like,
we won't come by. It's fine. So I mean, like,
how do you negotiate that. A couple of fraternity go, hey, hey,
our fraternity needs your church, your your worship space for
(28:52):
forty eight hours. And the church was like, as long
as you're out by Saturday afternoon because we have we
have a mass or whatever. And I'm just I'm thinking, like,
you're you have no idea what you just signed up for.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
People are being tortured.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
This is crazy. I'm glad you guys are okay, Like
that sounds painful.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I don't know. It was just what you did dramatic,
Yeah it was, but it was And I don't know
it was what you did, like it was everybody you
had to do.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
To say.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
The kids that didn't do it were considered kind of
weird because it's just very that was. That was the culture.
Like you if you wanted to get invited to parties
and you wanted all that, then that then you know
you had because you know, sororities would invite fraternities and
they we would do like mixers and galas and the
other thing we did was some very inappropriate parties.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh yeah, wild and.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
CEOs like ship that now now even though it wasn't
really that offensive because there was no like everybody was
a ho.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know, we had to be hoes.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
But like some of the parties now, oh my god. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know we've evolved as a as a nation.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I don't actually have we in no clothing.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But now that fraternity house is a parking garage, the
one I lived in. So that's that's what it should
be like that. That's another thing. I have no idea
how I lived in those surroundings. I have no idea.
It was so disgusting, so disgusting, and that's what she did.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
So it didn't take you down.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm telling you no, no, trust me. I don't think
anything can after that. I lived in that. My superimmunity
I hope last for the rest of my life. I
probably should be full of like asbestos and mesothelioma and
whatever other things you see those commercials for at night. Yeah,
I should have all of them.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
We had mold, We have all kinds.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like I can tend. The university tore that house down
and put a parking garage there, so there could be
no evidence of what was it because the university owned
the house, or maybe we owned the house. I can't remember,
they owned the land. I don't know anyway. All I
know is there's concrete over the top of it now,
so like there's no way to prove what we were
all exposed to. What did I tell you? Thirty minutes later,
(31:05):
we're still talking. All right, Well, there's a tangent. Let's
go outside now where it's got Well, outside is called right,
That's right, That's where I want to go. Uh. Listen
to the Tangent on the iHeartRadio app and listen to
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