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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys, the first Tangent of twenty twenty six. You ready, yes?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I didn't get a unanimous yes. Are some of you striking?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm on Ruddit cracking up.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm reading yes on Reddit planning tomorrow show. Why do
you even have to bother? Everyone thinks that we just
use Reddit and we just we just start from the
top and just start reading thing.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, just wait till tomorrow. Hit the intro.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Please, it's the Tangent giving you all this ship we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk about on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, guys, I've done some deep research for our
program today, and would you like to know the average
age at which people in different countries lose their virginity?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are all of you comfortable? You don't what you want
to you? It's a good thing that I'm here to
inspire you.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And Weird like, yes, I know I want to know.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Weird you're not curious, am I?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm the oldest version in the room though, or continue,
I'm gonna know I'm the owner still for in the room.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, I lost my virginity. I lost my virginity last
I know. It's traumatic for me. Actually didn't, I mean
I don't know if you all were comfortable sharing. I
was twenty one. Shit, I made it for the lost
time I've had it. I've had a hell of a run.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
I mean, you're not that far off from Paulina, right.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I was eighteen, so I don't know that eighteen nineteen,
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Jason was twelve and it was a woman.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I was fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
When was your male virginity lost fifteen as well?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, it was at the same time, so crazy. No, oh, yeah,
that's a good question. I don't know. Actually, I think
it must have been.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Looking I'm Barbara Walters over here. I'm asking a hard
hitting question.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
It probably was senior year of high school. Okay, so
you're at thirteen, seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Talking about you're eighteen or seventeen.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, a man a woman.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was much younger when the woman was fifteen. Yeah, Jason,
we've done the mas. Jason was having sex with women. Yeah,
and he's younger than I am before I was having
sex with women at the same time period.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah, Okay, now it has so yeah, just.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Do you here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm sure you all remember vividly and we don't have
to get into too many details. But like, was it
a good or a bad experience? The first time?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It was great?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Are you serious?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah? Didn't that hurt you? Because I was so scared,
like people had told me all my life is gonna
kill you.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
You're gonna hurt, You're gonna I was like, oh this okay,
it didn't hurt.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, it hurt a little bit, but it was like
a good pain pain.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We know some things about kid.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Nobody stopped, like, y'all all did it?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Need it again? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So I did right after? So yeah, I said, I'll
but it hurt me very badly. But I was like,
I want to get back on the horse and try again.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh yeah, I remember those days when I could do
something like that. Now I need like forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, let's be clear, I didn't finish at all, like
women don't usually do that until years later.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not there yet. To be clear.
It was thirty for us to go.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, what was yours? Like Jason? Both times, I honestly, I.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Don't remember with the dude, I just remember who it was,
but I don't remember us doing it. You're on a
rock outside the woman with the woman was outside a rock.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, like like a cement stoop outside at the park.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Yeah, New Year's Yeah, yeah, that's so fucked up. And
I remember like vividly the girl, but like the guys,
I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I was just sucking dick somewhere. Yeah, it was outside, Pauline.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Do you remember yours?
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I do, but like I don't remember like if it
was good or bad. I think it was just there,
like you know what I mean, because you don't know
your dis your first time.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
We're new here.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yeah, I don't remember. I can't be like it was
so amazing, but I know it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Did you did you know? Like mine was like mine
was going to happen like and I don't. I mean,
unless she could tell based on my incredible, incredibly bad performance,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
She didn't know that it was my first time and
it was not hers really at all.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Oh you're brave.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And I actually I think it was a pretty good
performance because I was nervous too, so I it took
me like a while. It wasn't the classic like you know,
two seconds, two pump chump thing, like it was the opposite.
Now the third or fourth time it was a two
pump chump thing, but like, I don't know. I was
like so in my head about it that I I
think I had a pretty good performance. Who wasn't It
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was a buddy of mine's stepsister. You've never heard this story.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That was the first time.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I had a buddy. He was older than me, and
we worked together at a place, and his mom got
his parents got divorced, and so many many years later,
like a year or two before this happened, he's I
think twenty eight, I'm twenty one. His mom says, hey,
come meet your you know, the guy I'm dating who
I think I'm gonna marry, you know, you soon to
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be stepdad and his daughter. So twenty eight year old,
twenty six year old whatever it was buddy of mine
shows up and here's nineteen at the time, nineteen year
old or twenty year old hot soon to be stepsister.
And so this dude tells me that, you know, we
become friends, and he was like, will you fuck my stepsister?
Because I obviously, yeah, it's a real story. He's like,
because I obviously can't, And like, I have no tie
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to her, I have no emotion towards her. I don't
even fucking know her, but like she's super hot, and
so I did, and nobody involved knew. That was my
first time.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Were you like hanging out with them?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And like how did that? He was like, here's your number.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, basically he was like, yeah, you guys should meet,
and we did, and so we hung out and we
hung out a few times and we briefly kind of
dated or whatever. But I mean, again, I can't imagine
it was very good. But there were other things that
I was doing before my time. There were other sexual
activities that, for whatever reason, I was doing when other
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guys wouldn't there and thought it was weird, And like,
for whatever reason, I never thought it was weird. I
thought it was like, like what you're supposed to do.
I didn't realize until later. In fact, I can't even
believe now, as an adult, the number of men that
won't go down on women still like now like dating
or married or whatever, Like what the fuck is wrong
with you? It's my secret weapon, and I'm not saying
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I'm that good at it, but like, at least I
make the effort and if it works, then that just
makes the rest of it easy for me. I don't
mean to be selfish about it, but I mean, I
do really really need and desire the positive feedback from
that experience, and I found that's one way to get it.
But I always was doing that stuff, so I think
I may have been okay. I think she may have
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been okay with it even if I wasn't good at
the actual sex because of the other because I was
at least making the effort in the other way. I
still can't believe there are men that won't do that, Like,
what is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You expect it to be done to you exactly, but
you know.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's not my vibe.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Sorry, look at.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Me, but you take care of your man. I do,
so I guess that's what I mean. Like, I don't
understand it.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
So you never told her like you were my first?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, Like I said, I don't think I'm like amazing
in bed, I think and I probably wasn't then either.
I do think I put in the work, like I
try and be attentive. So like, I don't think anyone's
given me rave five star reviews on fucking Yelp or whatever,
but I would at least at least there are a
few things I do that I guess are not that
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make me rarer somehow, which is crazy to me anyway. Malaysia,
I think this was ranked like oldest to youngest at
least of the forty four places that I'm looking at,
Malaysia twenty three years old, the average age at which
people lose their virginity. Would think about that, the average
age twenty three, India twenty two, Singapore, China, Thailand, Singapore
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had twenty two, Thailand twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Look at all these Asian countries, it should be Hong.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Kong, Vietnam both twenty, Japan nineteen, Nigeria nineteen, Iceland the
average age this is the number forty four, so the youngest.
The average age people lose their virginity in Iceland is
fifteen years old. Which if that's the average, it's middle
then I mean we're.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
They eat like sharks there, don't they?
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
They eat whales, the whales, they eat whales, certain kind
of whales. They eat horses. I think I've been there.
I didn't need a.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Horse, but thank you for not doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, I think I ate the whale though, because somebody
gave it to somebody like offered it to me.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I was it.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I didn't I didn't like it, but I went.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
To a restaurant and I was solo traveling and I
was like, I said it like the table that's adjacent
to the kitchen, and the guy was like, we started.
The chef is like right across the way. We started
talking and he was like, oh, I need to give
you it like welcome down, likeacy, He like gives it
to me and he's so proud. Did he prepared it
and like to give it to me? And I, you know,
because he and he loved it and he really wanted
me to so I had to like right in front
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of him and he didn't even like give it to
me and walk away, like he gave it to me
and then watched. While I hate it. It just felt
like I was chewing on like oh fat it was.
I didn't like it, but I tried it, you know,
I tried it. But yeah, So the oldest on this
list is Malaysia at twenty three years of age, and
the youngest is Iceland number forty four. And they're obviously
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way more countries.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
But did you say the US or did I? No?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I didn't get to the US. Where is the US
on here? They cannot be on here, hold on a second,
Mexico eighteen, France, US eighteen and a quarter.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'm on average.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Then that's not bad.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'm the US, that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The next thing I wanted to bring up on today's
tangent I just I got a lot of thoughts. I
got a lot of thoughts. There's a guy, Trail the Trainer.
He's a nice looking man. He has two million followers
on TikTok, and he purports to be the man who
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teaches men how to be men. And this is my description,
not his, but like his content is, I think about
health and like etiquette and gentlemanly this and that. So
he made a video that popped up on my social
about male hygiene, and so I'm going to play you
this and again it's Trail the Trainer. But there is
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one early on in this video there was one that
I just I'm all about hygiene, but I'm not getting
on board with this one.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Listen to this All.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Men's hygiene that you should know and under three minutes.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Number one is a haircut.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You should be getting a haircut at least.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Once per month, ideally two times per month. And keep
it Chris, keep it clean, keep it consistent. Number two.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, fine, fine, it's fine haircut.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I like it, but thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I thought that one was pretty obvious, right, this is
the one though right away, you know, only we only
got to number two on the list, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Need to be wiping you're we wei after you peek.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Take a dry or wet paper towel.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
You don't want that access pe just sitting or marinating
in your underwear.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Best discussions the three.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, he goes into manscaping and some of the more
obvious things. I'm supposed to be wiping the end of
my peepee after I go peep.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I was never taught to do that. I don't know
any man that does do that.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
No, I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The way you describe the way he describes it now
is discussing now that you think about it that way,
which I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But like, you don't want a dab dab there is
no dab dabbing.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What if you're gonna have relations.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
There's no I'm sorry, Caitlin, but like you've had relations
with the guy who you you regularly have relationship, the
guy who's not dab dabbing, okay, because like, think about
a urinal, there's no dat.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Urinal exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Like like I suppose if you went into a stall, then
there's toilet paper, but like the urinal, there's no toilet paper.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now, yeah, I don't think all men do it, but
it would be nice if you guys did.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh okay, we're generally not Jason, have you ever? No, Yeah,
that's what I mean. Like that's I don't think at all, right, okay, yeah,
like I'm not I'm not like mint stream and then
stick it back.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
In like you know, do I see dribbles sometimes after
somebody I'll get out of the bathroom.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Well, every once in a while there like I will
dribble like in my because I'll be moving too fast
and I won't be done and I won't get it all.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Out, and then that sucks you. So then I see,
I see why someone would wipe piss on your leg,
But no, it's more like in my underwear.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
That's nasty.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Yeah, that's white, it's moisten there.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean, I don't see how wiping would fix that. Though.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
My understanding is that you guys wipe one because you're
sitting in it's there, two because it's a totally different
organ there's a lot more going on. And two because
three because you have less aim Like, technically we're aiming,
and technically we should have complete and total control over
what's coming out. And in theory, by the time we
put it back in, we would have sort of extinguished
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or it, you know, we would have eradicated any sort
of whatever, right, right, So then there really shouldn't be
like a lot left. But no, that's not a thing.
And I'm like, this guy's teaching people this and it's
very I guess it's a very nice thing I guess
to do, but it's a courteous thing to do.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But no one's doing that.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So y'all need to start the trend.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, please wipe.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But what am I again? Like I stand at a urinal.
Yes I'm supposed to then, like, yes, leave it out,
turn around, you walk into a stall, grab some first.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I'm never beating the allegations if someone walks in and
sees me dabbing at something while I'm standing at a.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Urinal, like with what I have said on this here radio,
absolutely right, Yeah, Like why is this any with this?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Back to the door in the still nobody's doing.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But it sounds like you have excess p right, But
that's what I'm courteous for. Are even a relationship.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
That doesn't matter? Just be pan on our underwear?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, I know you poop in the bad, but maybe white,
Well what an excellent.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
What are some things, then, ladies that come to mind,
more realistic things that you would say men listening should
be considerate of and maybe we're not.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Oh my gosh, how long do you have nails?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Your nails always have to be.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Clean in check, Like I don't want to explain why,
but you know.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I go want some. I turned them myself, and
then usually about once a month, I will go and
get them done professionally, and people will walk by and
look in the window and me like, I'm like, I'm
a weirdo. I don't care make fun of me for
going to the nail salon. I don't care. I don't
get them painted or whatever, but I I would much
rather have them done that way, and people, yeah, sort
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of raise their nose at me for that, then have
nasty nails and to be made fun of for that. Yeah,
I'm sorry. The professionals just do it better than I
do it at home. They just flat out that they
just do it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Better, and you can give us infections. It can hurt,
like it's gross, Like clean your.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Fucking nails, okay, all right, nails? What else comes to
mind for you guys? I mean, I know all y'all
men at home aren't doing it perfectly. There's got to
be something that comes to mind. And you don't have
to say whether it's the current manner in your past.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
But oh well mine is, like it's standard or thing
for people. But like what my husband will do is
he'll blow up the toilet, right and like you guys
shit so much like men will poop a lot, and
I love that for you guys, but like clean the residue,
like I can tell you were there, you know, twenty
minutes ago, not even the smell, just like you can
look in the toilet and you see it, and I'm like, why,
Like when I do that, I am scrubbing, I get
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my little glove out, like I will never let him
know that I just took a big shit in the
toilet ever, you know what I'm saying. But he will
and I'm like, that's not cute.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, if you don't have one those little brushes next
to the toilet. I've been in a situation I'm in
my life where like that happened and there was no brush,
but I wasn't gonna leave evidence. And that's a tricky
situation to find yourself.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
I can tell you how toilet paper, you just it's gross,
but you gotta we y' all can't wipe either.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I hate to say it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I've seen a skin mark or two in my day
and I'm like, we need to be wiping our asses properly.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
That's crazy. Its crazy we're still talking about that as adults.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The pube thing, like the fact that we're not doing
it anywhere. That like the extra pubes can't get everywhere.
Like I don't know, go in the shower or something
and then turn the water on. There's always pubes everywhere
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't know if it's good for the plumbing, but
I manscape in the shower and then I take a
shower and the manscape goes down.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
That you're a genius.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I don't know why everybody doesn't do that. Now here's
a manscaping question. Do you want? Do you want none?
And it's none? Weird if there were none.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
If I don't want hardwood floors on my man, I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Okay, so what do you want like hairy, but but
taken back like highly edited? Do you want very edited?
Like for example, my trimmer has a one, two, three, four.
I think my beard is a four?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Okay, what do you use?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
No, I think, well, it depends on the part of
the body. I go really short on my under arms.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Shave your under arms.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I trim them. I don't shame them, but like there's
there's not much because I go very I go like
a one or two on the under arms, which almost
looks like none. But I don't know. I don't like
underarm hair. It just I don't like it personally. On
my chest, I leave my chest a little bit longer.
My chest is probably my beard. But if I didn't,
my chest would be like my chest hair would be
long if I didn't do something.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm not mad honestly at hair on men. Like
it doesn't bother me. So whatever they're comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But usually the chest has to match the nether region
and then I clean up around so it's not shaped,
but it's like confined and that just looks better to me.
If people can say what they want, it just looks better.
But usually the chest and the and the and the
the dick, it's all the same. It matches length because
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it would be a little weird, I think. I mean,
I'm OCD. As you can tell by listening to if
you're here, it'd be weird if like one was super
tight and then the other was longer. But the chest
here I would allow to go a little bit longer
than I would and then I get weird back hair splatches.
I don't have splotches. I don't have like full back hair.
But I had to buy this thing years ago that's
like a manscaper that has an arm on it, and
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I and I just go over my back to get
because it just looks if I had full on back here,
then fuck it. I got back here. But it's got
these weird like a couple areas that just so I
just get rid of them. And then I get up
in the booty and I really get in there.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Oh we're shaving our body.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't shave it.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
But I used the trimmer and I really get up
in there. So that like their no, not regularly, but
that's for hija do it if a dude doesn't and
you know this, Jason, I don't know about women, but
if a dude doesn't do anything down there, that the hair.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Will get pretty long. Oh yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Like toilet paper. I don't mean to be gross, but
like I think it's harder to keep clean. Yeah, so
that's the only reason I do that is for hygiene purposes.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, that's a lot of information for you guys. But
I like to keep a nice and type. I agree
with that. I think it looks better too, and I
feel I'm sure you guys feel the same way. I
hear this from women who shave like everything hardwood floors.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, I don't always love that. I mean, I don't
mind if you have a groom situation. I can understand
and empathize with. Why if you just start getting rid
of it all, then having any any feels kind of
unkempt or like ugh, yeah, I don't know, incomplete or
something like not dirty, but like, I don't know, I
feel that like my neckline on my beard.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like if you're used to having nothing, then having something,
it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So I get that, even like with legs, like I
don't understand how women are like no no judgment, no shade,
no tea, but like, oh it's winter, I'm not shaving
my legs, like.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That feels right.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
That hurts my jeans and like makes me feel uncomfy
when it's like prickly.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Like when I hear women talk about everything showers, even
as a straight guy, like I get it. Like it's
a great feeling when I do all the things I
just talked about and then I go into shower and
like scrub myself down with a loofa and like it
just feels right getting into.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Clean sheets after doing shaving everything.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's just like luxurious.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh yeah, I get that because if you go like
a week or two, you don't do anything, even the hair,
like I don't. I can't obviously, like line up my back,
like the hair whatever this on my neck, you know,
Like I don't know what you would call this on
the collar, Like the hair on your head goes to
a certain point and then it will it will like
get kind of scraggling and go down at the back
of your neck, but like you know, the hairstylist will
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line it up, and even that I can't line it
up because I can't see it, but I still sort
of trim. Yeah, I go just to make sure there's
no because I don't want it because I don't know this,
like if it's right. He you can't see the back
of my neck, but like that to me, it looks
it doesn't look clean to me.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, you're like me, it's like an anxiety thing.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I feel like it probably is.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
You're hairy, Jason would, I'm superhero.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I don't touch my chest at all. I leave everything.
I just trim up down there to make sure it's
not like crazy, Okay, okay, yeah, everything else is a
natural nice on men.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Like what I like, the more hair the better. Yeah,
I don't know really, Yeah, I don't have like a
hairy Yeah. I think it was like a hairless twink.
I would be turned off.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Have you guys ever dated a guy where you had
to tell him like, hey, can we can we trim it?
Can we pull it back a little bit?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Like because I don't think everybody. I don't think every
guy does it. I think some guys don't do anything correct,
which is fine. Like I think there are guys maybe
listening right now, they're still listening, going tread sounds way
metro for this like and that's fine. You can think that. Again,
I don't. I don't know that I that many people
are seeing it that often anymore lately, I should say,
(22:03):
but it doesn't feel right to me now after all
these years of doing it that way, not to do
it that way. But from what I understand, there are
guys that think that what I do is weird.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well they're weird.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Keeping yourself clean is not. You know, it's whatever feels comfortable.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Maybe it's from my home days. I don't know. Yeah,
you got to keep it right, keep it tight, you never.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Know, save those likes.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
No, no, I let the hair grow there.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But back in the day, you know, when I was
a little more active. You just you never knew when
the moment. You got to be ready all the time.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Are we gonna have another moment where you're active or
do you think you're just like I'm over this life.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I had a nice fifteen twenty year run where I
was out here, and you know, people have said what
they say about it. You know, there's some people that
have a commentary about me. But I'll tell you what
I've always been honest. I've always been transparent. I don't lie,
I don't deceive. I never promised anything I wasn't going
to do. I think there are people out there that
(22:58):
kind of wish that I'd acted different or or been
more receptive to what they wanted the outcome to be.
But I don't deceive anybody. I just I am. I'm
emotionally distant with everybody. I'm consistently emotionally distant. And but no,
to answer your question, it hasn't been an active effort
(23:18):
to not be a slut. I think it's just sort
of lost its luster. It lost its luster a long
time ago, and I kind of I wouldn't say I
kept doing it, but like I kept thinking that the
outcome would be different, and it just was never different.
So I took it's been eleven months. I haven't had
(23:39):
sex in eleven months. Wow, And I just.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Just like and it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well again, it wasn't like a I wouldn't say, I'm
like trying not to, but I just said, like, I
need to cut the shit, yeah, you know, and I
cut the ship. And I gotta be honest, I'm happier
in a lot of ways. But all these efforts to
be like to really lean into my self reliance all
these years, even even when I was sleeping with people.
(24:03):
All it does is lead to the realization that I
don't need anybody. Unfortunately, the longer that I go on
this path, I mean it's been twenty I've been actively dating.
I mean, I was a late bloomer, but I've been
actively dating people for almost thirty years. Never married, no
kid's longest relationship eight months. And all I can tell
(24:24):
you is that the longer you do this, the more
that it just sort of reaffirms that, Like it makes
it harder to find the person, it makes it harder
to hit the target. And none of these people are
doing ninety percent of these people aren't doing anything wrong.
They didn't do anything wrong. Some of these people were great,
and I just I don't know, Like it was hard
for me to figure out how to immerse, how to
(24:47):
mix our lives. And a lot of people in when
I was in my thirties, they and still now if
I'm dating younger, they want kids and I don't think.
I don't think that's happening, and that sort of eliminates
me from a lot of those scenarios. And most of
those people went on to married someone and had kids,
and I'm happy for them. I used to look back
and think, like years ago, I used to look back,
I'd see this, like i'd see them on social media
(25:08):
and I'd see the happy family and be like, that
could have been me. And I used to sort of
feel a kind of way about that. And I don't
it anymore because it's just not It wasn't. I never
wanted it. What you want right, right, So but I
will say that all it's hard for It's so hard
for people to understand, Like my parents don't get it.
Most people just think you're supposed to be in a relationship,
(25:29):
like you break up with someone, you meet somebody else,
you date, you date for a long time, you get married,
you have kids, you have a family. That's what everybody does.
And they think you're weird, some kind of fucking leopard
or pariah because you don't lean into that. And I
just I don't know. It's becoming difficult for me to
imagine how my life works with someone else. I would
like it too, but I think I need to meet
(25:49):
somebody who feels kind of the same way. And the problem,
and I've said this a million times over the years,
the problem is that person's out there and they're doing
what I'm doing, yeah, which is not a whole lot no,
and it's it's it's all good, But like, how do
you meet that? You don't meet them on the apps? Yea,
the apps are fucking garbage. I still dabble because I
feel like that's what everybody does. But how do you
meet the person who also is self reliant and isn't
(26:11):
quite sure about sort of? Because if you're a self
reliant person, I'm gonta say you can't be self reliant
and also in a relationship. But if you're if you're
an independent, self reliant kind of loaner type person, then
in order to get into a relationship with someone that's
more traditional, you have to sort of give in on
a lot of like actively work opposite to that. And
(26:33):
that's hard to do and it's not natural and it
takes a long time. And so since since most people
aren't wired that way, then it's like they I don't know,
they don't they don't have that much time, and they
don't get it because it's like, what do you mean,
why is this.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So hard for you?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So I don't know how you meet someone who's like
you in that way when when the way you are
isn't the way that most people are.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, unless it's like a setup, you know, someone who
knows both of you.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But the problem is society, And I like, this isn't
like pitty fred stuff, but society judges people like me.
I'm a slot, I'm a bad guy, I'm a player,
I'm a narcissist, I'm how about I'm just not like
everybody else and none of those things because those things
(27:21):
are character traits or like And I don't think I'm
a bad person because I don't subscribe to the same
But it's all that guy just oh man, fuck my friend.
Never first of all, that kind of stuff never happened really,
But I've been ghosted as many times as I've ghosted,
and I've been dicked over by women as many times
as I've potentially dicked people over. So that's I don't know,
(27:43):
but you know how it gives that the narrative out
there is that if the guys do this and girls
do that. But I fit into a lot of things
that I think people see as negative and they see
it as bad character. And it's really frustrating because I
try and be a good guy. But I also can't
really I don't choose to change like what feeds me.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
But why you don't necessarily want kids, so you don't
have a clock you you're happy and content. So it's
like at this point, it's only going to be if
someone can add to that situation. If they can't add
to it, you know, then why would you do it?
I don't understand that.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
And that should be for everybody to be honest, Like
you know what I mean, if I ever get you
guys know this, I'll never get remarried, not because like
I don't believe in love, but it's just like marriage,
all this is so much work that I would never
do it again. I'll be booed up. But like we're
not doing this whole thing because will I ever find
somebody who can add, like you said, to my life?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's hard, right, and a lot of people get married.
I hate to say it for a reason, you know,
if you want that family unit, you want kids, like
I feel like there's a reason behind it, and you
can just state someone for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, and I guess in an effort to like not
hurt people's feelings and also not be unfairly judged, even
though it happens anyway. I found myself over the years
laying out all the ground rules from day one, like here,
let me, here are the disqualifiers, like Hi, nice to
meet you. Here are all the things you can expect
from me that you probably aren't going to like, Well,
(29:05):
that's not a recipe for success, but that's my way
of being. Like when you shit talk me later because
I didn't want the same things you did, I told you.
The funny thing is they still shit talk because it
wasn't conventional and it didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
A lot of women think they're going to change someone.
Let's just be honest, you know, I just it's I thought.
I've thought it many times. Yeah, you know, like we
just think.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
But then it's not necessarily and that's very honest to say.
But it's not the guy's fault if you can't change them.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh of course not.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But it tends to be that way. And again, I'm
always I should have used the word fixed.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I can only tell you this from the male perspective,
Like if you're listening as a woman and you're going, yeah,
but let me tell you, But I'm just telling you
from the male perspective, that I've been viewed as a
bad guy because someone took me on as a project
and it didn't work.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Right, Yep, you are the villain after that, sure.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And that sucks. Yes, And again, being a man is
not hard at all. But that part of it something
that I've dealt with for a long time, and I
understand that that's part for the course because of the
choices I make and the person I am, But when
it becomes personal, when it's not, it's just so hard
to deal with. And that's where these you know, are
(30:15):
we dating the same guys and these t apps and
all this stuff, that's where it exacerbates it because I
guess I'm not as much of a superstar on there
as I used to be. But I used to show
up on these things as a bad person. And it's like,
but I don't get to tell you my side of
the story, which is like, I'm not a bad guy.
I just didn't do what you wanted me to do.
(30:36):
We're both adults, right like, we both entered into this
and we both take risks, and you know what, there
isn't is a place for me and I wouldn't go
there if there were is a place for me to
go and tell you about the women who've lied to
me or deceived me, or dumped me or ghosted me.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I mean, it happens. This is dating, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So I've done nothing for a year in order to
combat all of this, and I'm not sure if anything's
changing that year any in any of this. So wow,
this became a real ted talk and a therapy session.
I know, I a lot to go off my chest.
Yeah yeah, you can like, how how much is your hourly?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Me? I know how all of you groom and you
know how fucked up I am in the head. But
then again, you didn't need this episode of the Tangent
to know that. Anything else.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
We'll try and do.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I always say every year we're going to do more
Tangents this year because I look at the stats. People
are actually listening to this, which God bless you if
you made it this far. I think the thing is
we get to the end of the show, and especially me,
mostly me, you guys would do it. I'm kind of
out of words, but not today. I thought there's going
to be a five minute Tangent just to get it done,
(31:46):
and it's been I think thirty five minutes, so sorry.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk and my
therapy session, and you can all send me a bill.
I won't pay it, but you can send it. And
episode number one in the Books of the Tangent for
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Thank you.
Guys, the first Tangent of twenty twenty six. You ready, yes?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I didn't get a unanimous yes. Are some of you striking?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm on Ruddit cracking up.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm reading yes on Reddit planning tomorrow show. Why do
you even have to bother? Everyone thinks that we just
use Reddit and we just we just start from the
top and just start reading thing.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, just wait till tomorrow. Hit the intro.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Please, it's the Tangent giving you all this ship we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk about on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, guys, I've done some deep research for our
program today, and would you like to know the average
age at which people in different countries lose their virginity?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are all of you comfortable? You don't what you want
to you? It's a good thing that I'm here to
inspire you.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And Weird like, yes, I know I want to know.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Weird you're not curious, am I?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm the oldest version in the room though, or continue,
I'm gonna know I'm the owner still for in the room.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, I lost my virginity. I lost my virginity last
I know. It's traumatic for me. Actually didn't, I mean
I don't know if you all were comfortable sharing. I
was twenty one. Shit, I made it for the lost
time I've had it. I've had a hell of a run.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
I mean, you're not that far off from Paulina, right.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I was eighteen, so I don't know that eighteen nineteen,
twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Jason was twelve and it was a woman.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I was fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
When was your male virginity lost fifteen as well?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, it was at the same time, so crazy. No, oh, yeah,
that's a good question. I don't know. Actually, I think
it must have been.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Looking I'm Barbara Walters over here. I'm asking a hard
hitting question.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
It probably was senior year of high school. Okay, so
you're at thirteen, seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Talking about you're eighteen or seventeen.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, a man a woman.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was much younger when the woman was fifteen. Yeah, Jason,
we've done the mas. Jason was having sex with women. Yeah,
and he's younger than I am before I was having
sex with women at the same time period.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah, Okay, now it has so yeah, just.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Do you here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm sure you all remember vividly and we don't have
to get into too many details. But like, was it
a good or a bad experience? The first time?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It was great?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Are you serious?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah? Didn't that hurt you? Because I was so scared,
like people had told me all my life is gonna
kill you.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
You're gonna hurt, You're gonna I was like, oh this okay,
it didn't hurt.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, it hurt a little bit, but it was like
a good pain pain.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We know some things about kid.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Nobody stopped, like, y'all all did it?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Need it again? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So I did right after? So yeah, I said, I'll
but it hurt me very badly. But I was like,
I want to get back on the horse and try again.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh yeah, I remember those days when I could do
something like that. Now I need like forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, let's be clear, I didn't finish at all, like
women don't usually do that until years later.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not there yet. To be clear.
It was thirty for us to go.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, what was yours? Like Jason? Both times, I honestly, I.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Don't remember with the dude, I just remember who it was,
but I don't remember us doing it. You're on a
rock outside the woman with the woman was outside a rock.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, like like a cement stoop outside at the park.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Yeah, New Year's Yeah, yeah, that's so fucked up. And
I remember like vividly the girl, but like the guys,
I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I was just sucking dick somewhere. Yeah, it was outside, Pauline.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Do you remember yours?
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I do, but like I don't remember like if it
was good or bad. I think it was just there,
like you know what I mean, because you don't know
your dis your first time.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
We're new here.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yeah, I don't remember. I can't be like it was
so amazing, but I know it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Did you did you know? Like mine was like mine
was going to happen like and I don't. I mean,
unless she could tell based on my incredible, incredibly bad performance,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
She didn't know that it was my first time and
it was not hers really at all.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Oh you're brave.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And I actually I think it was a pretty good
performance because I was nervous too, so I it took
me like a while. It wasn't the classic like you know,
two seconds, two pump chump thing, like it was the opposite.
Now the third or fourth time it was a two
pump chump thing, but like, I don't know. I was
like so in my head about it that I I
think I had a pretty good performance. Who wasn't It
(04:36):
was a buddy of mine's stepsister. You've never heard this story.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That was the first time.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I had a buddy. He was older than me, and
we worked together at a place, and his mom got
his parents got divorced, and so many many years later,
like a year or two before this happened, he's I
think twenty eight, I'm twenty one. His mom says, hey,
come meet your you know, the guy I'm dating who
I think I'm gonna marry, you know, you soon to
(05:03):
be stepdad and his daughter. So twenty eight year old,
twenty six year old whatever it was buddy of mine
shows up and here's nineteen at the time, nineteen year
old or twenty year old hot soon to be stepsister.
And so this dude tells me that, you know, we
become friends, and he was like, will you fuck my stepsister?
Because I obviously, yeah, it's a real story. He's like,
because I obviously can't, And like, I have no tie
(05:27):
to her, I have no emotion towards her. I don't
even fucking know her, but like she's super hot, and
so I did, and nobody involved knew. That was my
first time.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Were you like hanging out with them?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And like how did that? He was like, here's your number.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, basically he was like, yeah, you guys should meet,
and we did, and so we hung out and we
hung out a few times and we briefly kind of
dated or whatever. But I mean, again, I can't imagine
it was very good. But there were other things that
I was doing before my time. There were other sexual
activities that, for whatever reason, I was doing when other
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guys wouldn't there and thought it was weird, And like,
for whatever reason, I never thought it was weird. I
thought it was like, like what you're supposed to do.
I didn't realize until later. In fact, I can't even
believe now, as an adult, the number of men that
won't go down on women still like now like dating
or married or whatever, Like what the fuck is wrong
with you? It's my secret weapon, and I'm not saying
(06:27):
I'm that good at it, but like, at least I
make the effort and if it works, then that just
makes the rest of it easy for me. I don't
mean to be selfish about it, but I mean, I
do really really need and desire the positive feedback from
that experience, and I found that's one way to get it.
But I always was doing that stuff, so I think
I may have been okay. I think she may have
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been okay with it even if I wasn't good at
the actual sex because of the other because I was
at least making the effort in the other way. I
still can't believe there are men that won't do that, Like,
what is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You expect it to be done to you exactly, but
you know.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's not my vibe.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Sorry, look at.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Me, but you take care of your man. I do,
so I guess that's what I mean. Like, I don't
understand it.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
So you never told her like you were my first?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, Like I said, I don't think I'm like amazing
in bed, I think and I probably wasn't then either.
I do think I put in the work, like I
try and be attentive. So like, I don't think anyone's
given me rave five star reviews on fucking Yelp or whatever,
but I would at least at least there are a
few things I do that I guess are not that
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make me rarer somehow, which is crazy to me anyway. Malaysia,
I think this was ranked like oldest to youngest at
least of the forty four places that I'm looking at,
Malaysia twenty three years old, the average age at which
people lose their virginity. Would think about that, the average
age twenty three, India twenty two, Singapore, China, Thailand, Singapore
(08:02):
had twenty two, Thailand twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Look at all these Asian countries, it should be Hong.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Kong, Vietnam both twenty, Japan nineteen, Nigeria nineteen, Iceland the
average age this is the number forty four, so the youngest.
The average age people lose their virginity in Iceland is
fifteen years old. Which if that's the average, it's middle
then I mean we're.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
They eat like sharks there, don't they?
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
They eat whales, the whales, they eat whales, certain kind
of whales. They eat horses. I think I've been there.
I didn't need a.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Horse, but thank you for not doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, I think I ate the whale though, because somebody
gave it to somebody like offered it to me.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I was it.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I didn't I didn't like it, but I went.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
To a restaurant and I was solo traveling and I
was like, I said it like the table that's adjacent
to the kitchen, and the guy was like, we started.
The chef is like right across the way. We started
talking and he was like, oh, I need to give
you it like welcome down, likeacy, He like gives it
to me and he's so proud. Did he prepared it
and like to give it to me? And I, you know,
because he and he loved it and he really wanted
me to so I had to like right in front
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of him and he didn't even like give it to
me and walk away, like he gave it to me
and then watched. While I hate it. It just felt
like I was chewing on like oh fat it was.
I didn't like it, but I tried it, you know,
I tried it. But yeah, So the oldest on this
list is Malaysia at twenty three years of age, and
the youngest is Iceland number forty four. And they're obviously
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way more countries.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
But did you say the US or did I? No?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I didn't get to the US. Where is the US
on here? They cannot be on here, hold on a second,
Mexico eighteen, France, US eighteen and a quarter.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'm on average.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Then that's not bad.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'm the US, that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The next thing I wanted to bring up on today's
tangent I just I got a lot of thoughts. I
got a lot of thoughts. There's a guy, Trail the Trainer.
He's a nice looking man. He has two million followers
on TikTok, and he purports to be the man who
(10:15):
teaches men how to be men. And this is my description,
not his, but like his content is, I think about
health and like etiquette and gentlemanly this and that. So
he made a video that popped up on my social
about male hygiene, and so I'm going to play you
this and again it's Trail the Trainer. But there is
(10:37):
one early on in this video there was one that
I just I'm all about hygiene, but I'm not getting
on board with this one.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Listen to this All.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Men's hygiene that you should know and under three minutes.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Number one is a haircut.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You should be getting a haircut at least.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Once per month, ideally two times per month. And keep
it Chris, keep it clean, keep it consistent. Number two.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, fine, fine, it's fine haircut.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, I like it, but thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I thought that one was pretty obvious, right, this is
the one though right away, you know, only we only
got to number two on the list, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Need to be wiping you're we wei after you peek.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Take a dry or wet paper towel.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
You don't want that access pe just sitting or marinating
in your underwear.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Best discussions the three.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Okay, he goes into manscaping and some of the more
obvious things. I'm supposed to be wiping the end of
my peepee after I go peep.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I was never taught to do that. I don't know
any man that does do that.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
No, I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The way you describe the way he describes it now
is discussing now that you think about it that way,
which I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But like, you don't want a dab dab there is
no dab dabbing.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What if you're gonna have relations.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
There's no I'm sorry, Caitlin, but like you've had relations
with the guy who you you regularly have relationship, the
guy who's not dab dabbing, okay, because like, think about
a urinal, there's no dat.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Urinal exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Like like I suppose if you went into a stall, then
there's toilet paper, but like the urinal, there's no toilet paper.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now, yeah, I don't think all men do it, but
it would be nice if you guys did.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh okay, we're generally not Jason, have you ever? No, Yeah,
that's what I mean. Like that's I don't think at all, right, okay, yeah,
like I'm not I'm not like mint stream and then
stick it back.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
In like you know, do I see dribbles sometimes after
somebody I'll get out of the bathroom.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Well, every once in a while there like I will
dribble like in my because I'll be moving too fast
and I won't be done and I won't get it all.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Out, and then that sucks you. So then I see,
I see why someone would wipe piss on your leg,
But no, it's more like in my underwear.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
That's nasty.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Yeah, that's white, it's moisten there.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, I mean, I don't see how wiping would fix that. Though.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
My understanding is that you guys wipe one because you're
sitting in it's there, two because it's a totally different
organ there's a lot more going on. And two because
three because you have less aim Like, technically we're aiming,
and technically we should have complete and total control over
what's coming out. And in theory, by the time we
put it back in, we would have sort of extinguished
(13:13):
or it, you know, we would have eradicated any sort
of whatever, right, right, So then there really shouldn't be
like a lot left. But no, that's not a thing.
And I'm like, this guy's teaching people this and it's
very I guess it's a very nice thing I guess
to do, but it's a courteous thing to do.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But no one's doing that.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
So y'all need to start the trend.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, please wipe.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But what am I again? Like I stand at a urinal.
Yes I'm supposed to then, like, yes, leave it out,
turn around, you walk into a stall, grab some first.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I'm never beating the allegations if someone walks in and
sees me dabbing at something while I'm standing at a.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Urinal, like with what I have said on this here radio,
absolutely right, Yeah, Like why is this any with this?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Back to the door in the still nobody's doing.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But it sounds like you have excess p right, But
that's what I'm courteous for. Are even a relationship.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
That doesn't matter? Just be pan on our underwear?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, I know you poop in the bad, but maybe white,
Well what an excellent.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
What are some things, then, ladies that come to mind,
more realistic things that you would say men listening should
be considerate of and maybe we're not.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Oh my gosh, how long do you have nails?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Your nails always have to be.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Clean in check, Like I don't want to explain why,
but you know.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I go want some. I turned them myself, and
then usually about once a month, I will go and
get them done professionally, and people will walk by and
look in the window and me like, I'm like, I'm
a weirdo. I don't care make fun of me for
going to the nail salon. I don't care. I don't
get them painted or whatever, but I I would much
rather have them done that way, and people, yeah, sort
(15:01):
of raise their nose at me for that, then have
nasty nails and to be made fun of for that. Yeah,
I'm sorry. The professionals just do it better than I
do it at home. They just flat out that they
just do it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Better, and you can give us infections. It can hurt,
like it's gross, Like clean your.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Fucking nails, okay, all right, nails? What else comes to
mind for you guys? I mean, I know all y'all
men at home aren't doing it perfectly. There's got to
be something that comes to mind. And you don't have
to say whether it's the current manner in your past.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
But oh well mine is, like it's standard or thing
for people. But like what my husband will do is
he'll blow up the toilet, right and like you guys
shit so much like men will poop a lot, and
I love that for you guys, but like clean the residue,
like I can tell you were there, you know, twenty
minutes ago, not even the smell, just like you can
look in the toilet and you see it, and I'm like, why,
Like when I do that, I am scrubbing, I get
(15:49):
my little glove out, like I will never let him
know that I just took a big shit in the
toilet ever, you know what I'm saying. But he will
and I'm like, that's not cute.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, if you don't have one those little brushes next
to the toilet. I've been in a situation I'm in
my life where like that happened and there was no brush,
but I wasn't gonna leave evidence. And that's a tricky
situation to find yourself.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
I can tell you how toilet paper, you just it's gross,
but you gotta we y' all can't wipe either.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I hate to say it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I've seen a skin mark or two in my day
and I'm like, we need to be wiping our asses properly.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
That's crazy. Its crazy we're still talking about that as adults.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The pube thing, like the fact that we're not doing
it anywhere. That like the extra pubes can't get everywhere.
Like I don't know, go in the shower or something
and then turn the water on. There's always pubes everywhere
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't know if it's good for the plumbing, but
I manscape in the shower and then I take a
shower and the manscape goes down.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
That you're a genius.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I don't know why everybody doesn't do that. Now here's
a manscaping question. Do you want? Do you want none?
And it's none? Weird if there were none.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
If I don't want hardwood floors on my man, I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Okay, so what do you want like hairy, but but
taken back like highly edited? Do you want very edited?
Like for example, my trimmer has a one, two, three, four.
I think my beard is a four?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Okay, what do you use?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
No, I think, well, it depends on the part of
the body. I go really short on my under arms.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Shave your under arms.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I trim them. I don't shame them, but like there's
there's not much because I go very I go like
a one or two on the under arms, which almost
looks like none. But I don't know. I don't like
underarm hair. It just I don't like it personally. On
my chest, I leave my chest a little bit longer.
My chest is probably my beard. But if I didn't,
my chest would be like my chest hair would be
long if I didn't do something.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm not mad honestly at hair on men. Like
it doesn't bother me. So whatever they're comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But usually the chest has to match the nether region
and then I clean up around so it's not shaped,
but it's like confined and that just looks better to me.
If people can say what they want, it just looks better.
But usually the chest and the and the and the
the dick, it's all the same. It matches length because
(18:07):
it would be a little weird, I think. I mean,
I'm OCD. As you can tell by listening to if
you're here, it'd be weird if like one was super
tight and then the other was longer. But the chest
here I would allow to go a little bit longer
than I would and then I get weird back hair splatches.
I don't have splotches. I don't have like full back hair.
But I had to buy this thing years ago that's
like a manscaper that has an arm on it, and
(18:30):
I and I just go over my back to get
because it just looks if I had full on back here,
then fuck it. I got back here. But it's got
these weird like a couple areas that just so I
just get rid of them. And then I get up
in the booty and I really get in there.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Oh we're shaving our body.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't shave it.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
But I used the trimmer and I really get up
in there. So that like their no, not regularly, but
that's for hija do it if a dude doesn't and
you know this, Jason, I don't know about women, but
if a dude doesn't do anything down there, that the hair.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Will get pretty long. Oh yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Like toilet paper. I don't mean to be gross, but
like I think it's harder to keep clean. Yeah, so
that's the only reason I do that is for hygiene purposes.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Okay, that's a lot of information for you guys. But
I like to keep a nice and type. I agree
with that. I think it looks better too, and I
feel I'm sure you guys feel the same way. I
hear this from women who shave like everything hardwood floors.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, I don't always love that. I mean, I don't
mind if you have a groom situation. I can understand
and empathize with. Why if you just start getting rid
of it all, then having any any feels kind of
unkempt or like ugh, yeah, I don't know, incomplete or
something like not dirty, but like, I don't know, I
feel that like my neckline on my beard.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like if you're used to having nothing, then having something,
it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So I get that, even like with legs, like I
don't understand how women are like no no judgment, no shade,
no tea, but like, oh it's winter, I'm not shaving
my legs, like.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That feels right.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
That hurts my jeans and like makes me feel uncomfy
when it's like prickly.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Like when I hear women talk about everything showers, even
as a straight guy, like I get it. Like it's
a great feeling when I do all the things I
just talked about and then I go into shower and
like scrub myself down with a loofa and like it
just feels right getting into.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Clean sheets after doing shaving everything.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's just like luxurious.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh yeah, I get that because if you go like
a week or two, you don't do anything, even the hair,
like I don't. I can't obviously, like line up my back,
like the hair whatever this on my neck, you know,
Like I don't know what you would call this on
the collar, Like the hair on your head goes to
a certain point and then it will it will like
get kind of scraggling and go down at the back
of your neck, but like you know, the hairstylist will
(20:49):
line it up, and even that I can't line it
up because I can't see it, but I still sort
of trim. Yeah, I go just to make sure there's
no because I don't want it because I don't know this,
like if it's right. He you can't see the back
of my neck, but like that to me, it looks
it doesn't look clean to me.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, you're like me, it's like an anxiety thing.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I feel like it probably is.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
You're hairy, Jason would, I'm superhero.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I don't touch my chest at all. I leave everything.
I just trim up down there to make sure it's
not like crazy, Okay, okay, yeah, everything else is a
natural nice on men.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Like what I like, the more hair the better. Yeah,
I don't know really, Yeah, I don't have like a
hairy Yeah. I think it was like a hairless twink.
I would be turned off.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Have you guys ever dated a guy where you had
to tell him like, hey, can we can we trim it?
Can we pull it back a little bit?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Like because I don't think everybody. I don't think every
guy does it. I think some guys don't do anything correct,
which is fine. Like I think there are guys maybe
listening right now, they're still listening, going tread sounds way
metro for this like and that's fine. You can think that. Again,
I don't. I don't know that I that many people
are seeing it that often anymore lately, I should say,
(22:03):
but it doesn't feel right to me now after all
these years of doing it that way, not to do
it that way. But from what I understand, there are
guys that think that what I do is weird.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well they're weird.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Keeping yourself clean is not. You know, it's whatever feels comfortable.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Maybe it's from my home days. I don't know. Yeah,
you got to keep it right, keep it tight, you never.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Know, save those likes.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
No, no, I let the hair grow there.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But back in the day, you know, when I was
a little more active. You just you never knew when
the moment. You got to be ready all the time.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Are we gonna have another moment where you're active or
do you think you're just like I'm over this life.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I had a nice fifteen twenty year run where I
was out here, and you know, people have said what
they say about it. You know, there's some people that
have a commentary about me. But I'll tell you what
I've always been honest. I've always been transparent. I don't lie,
I don't deceive. I never promised anything I wasn't going
to do. I think there are people out there that
(22:58):
kind of wish that I'd acted different or or been
more receptive to what they wanted the outcome to be.
But I don't deceive anybody. I just I am. I'm
emotionally distant with everybody. I'm consistently emotionally distant. And but no,
to answer your question, it hasn't been an active effort
(23:18):
to not be a slut. I think it's just sort
of lost its luster. It lost its luster a long
time ago, and I kind of I wouldn't say I
kept doing it, but like I kept thinking that the
outcome would be different, and it just was never different.
So I took it's been eleven months. I haven't had
(23:39):
sex in eleven months. Wow, And I just.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Just like and it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well again, it wasn't like a I wouldn't say, I'm
like trying not to, but I just said, like, I
need to cut the shit, yeah, you know, and I
cut the ship. And I gotta be honest, I'm happier
in a lot of ways. But all these efforts to
be like to really lean into my self reliance all
these years, even even when I was sleeping with people.
(24:03):
All it does is lead to the realization that I
don't need anybody. Unfortunately, the longer that I go on
this path, I mean it's been twenty I've been actively dating.
I mean, I was a late bloomer, but I've been
actively dating people for almost thirty years. Never married, no
kid's longest relationship eight months. And all I can tell
(24:24):
you is that the longer you do this, the more
that it just sort of reaffirms that, Like it makes
it harder to find the person, it makes it harder
to hit the target. And none of these people are
doing ninety percent of these people aren't doing anything wrong.
They didn't do anything wrong. Some of these people were great,
and I just I don't know, Like it was hard
for me to figure out how to immerse, how to
(24:47):
mix our lives. And a lot of people in when
I was in my thirties, they and still now if
I'm dating younger, they want kids and I don't think.
I don't think that's happening, and that sort of eliminates
me from a lot of those scenarios. And most of
those people went on to married someone and had kids,
and I'm happy for them. I used to look back
and think, like years ago, I used to look back,
I'd see this, like i'd see them on social media
(25:08):
and I'd see the happy family and be like, that
could have been me. And I used to sort of
feel a kind of way about that. And I don't
it anymore because it's just not It wasn't. I never
wanted it. What you want right, right, So but I
will say that all it's hard for It's so hard
for people to understand, Like my parents don't get it.
Most people just think you're supposed to be in a relationship,
(25:29):
like you break up with someone, you meet somebody else,
you date, you date for a long time, you get married,
you have kids, you have a family. That's what everybody does.
And they think you're weird, some kind of fucking leopard
or pariah because you don't lean into that. And I
just I don't know. It's becoming difficult for me to
imagine how my life works with someone else. I would
like it too, but I think I need to meet
(25:49):
somebody who feels kind of the same way. And the problem,
and I've said this a million times over the years,
the problem is that person's out there and they're doing
what I'm doing, yeah, which is not a whole lot no,
and it's it's it's all good, But like, how do
you meet that? You don't meet them on the apps? Yea,
the apps are fucking garbage. I still dabble because I
feel like that's what everybody does. But how do you
meet the person who also is self reliant and isn't
(26:11):
quite sure about sort of? Because if you're a self
reliant person, I'm gonta say you can't be self reliant
and also in a relationship. But if you're if you're
an independent, self reliant kind of loaner type person, then
in order to get into a relationship with someone that's
more traditional, you have to sort of give in on
a lot of like actively work opposite to that. And
(26:33):
that's hard to do and it's not natural and it
takes a long time. And so since since most people
aren't wired that way, then it's like they I don't know,
they don't they don't have that much time, and they
don't get it because it's like, what do you mean,
why is this.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So hard for you?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So I don't know how you meet someone who's like
you in that way when when the way you are
isn't the way that most people are.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, unless it's like a setup, you know, someone who
knows both of you.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But the problem is society, And I like, this isn't
like pitty fred stuff, but society judges people like me.
I'm a slot, I'm a bad guy, I'm a player,
I'm a narcissist, I'm how about I'm just not like
everybody else and none of those things because those things
(27:21):
are character traits or like And I don't think I'm
a bad person because I don't subscribe to the same
But it's all that guy just oh man, fuck my friend.
Never first of all, that kind of stuff never happened really,
But I've been ghosted as many times as I've ghosted,
and I've been dicked over by women as many times
as I've potentially dicked people over. So that's I don't know,
(27:43):
but you know how it gives that the narrative out
there is that if the guys do this and girls
do that. But I fit into a lot of things
that I think people see as negative and they see
it as bad character. And it's really frustrating because I
try and be a good guy. But I also can't
really I don't choose to change like what feeds me.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
But why you don't necessarily want kids, so you don't
have a clock you you're happy and content. So it's
like at this point, it's only going to be if
someone can add to that situation. If they can't add
to it, you know, then why would you do it?
I don't understand that.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
And that should be for everybody to be honest, Like
you know what I mean, if I ever get you
guys know this, I'll never get remarried, not because like
I don't believe in love, but it's just like marriage,
all this is so much work that I would never
do it again. I'll be booed up. But like we're
not doing this whole thing because will I ever find
somebody who can add, like you said, to my life?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's hard, right, and a lot of people get married.
I hate to say it for a reason, you know,
if you want that family unit, you want kids, like
I feel like there's a reason behind it, and you
can just state someone for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, and I guess in an effort to like not
hurt people's feelings and also not be unfairly judged, even
though it happens anyway. I found myself over the years
laying out all the ground rules from day one, like here,
let me, here are the disqualifiers, like Hi, nice to
meet you. Here are all the things you can expect
from me that you probably aren't going to like, Well,
(29:05):
that's not a recipe for success, but that's my way
of being. Like when you shit talk me later because
I didn't want the same things you did, I told you.
The funny thing is they still shit talk because it
wasn't conventional and it didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
A lot of women think they're going to change someone.
Let's just be honest, you know, I just it's I thought.
I've thought it many times. Yeah, you know, like we
just think.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
But then it's not necessarily and that's very honest to say.
But it's not the guy's fault if you can't change them.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Oh of course not.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But it tends to be that way. And again, I'm
always I should have used the word fixed.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I can only tell you this from the male perspective,
Like if you're listening as a woman and you're going, yeah,
but let me tell you, But I'm just telling you
from the male perspective, that I've been viewed as a
bad guy because someone took me on as a project
and it didn't work.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Right, Yep, you are the villain after that, sure.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And that sucks. Yes, And again, being a man is
not hard at all. But that part of it something
that I've dealt with for a long time, and I
understand that that's part for the course because of the
choices I make and the person I am, But when
it becomes personal, when it's not, it's just so hard
to deal with. And that's where these you know, are
(30:15):
we dating the same guys and these t apps and
all this stuff, that's where it exacerbates it because I
guess I'm not as much of a superstar on there
as I used to be. But I used to show
up on these things as a bad person. And it's like,
but I don't get to tell you my side of
the story, which is like, I'm not a bad guy.
I just didn't do what you wanted me to do.
(30:36):
We're both adults, right like, we both entered into this
and we both take risks, and you know what, there
isn't is a place for me and I wouldn't go
there if there were is a place for me to
go and tell you about the women who've lied to
me or deceived me, or dumped me or ghosted me.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I mean, it happens. This is dating, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So I've done nothing for a year in order to
combat all of this, and I'm not sure if anything's
changing that year any in any of this. So wow,
this became a real ted talk and a therapy session.
I know, I a lot to go off my chest.
Yeah yeah, you can like, how how much is your hourly?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Me? I know how all of you groom and you
know how fucked up I am in the head. But
then again, you didn't need this episode of the Tangent
to know that. Anything else.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
We'll try and do.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I always say every year we're going to do more
Tangents this year because I look at the stats. People
are actually listening to this, which God bless you if
you made it this far. I think the thing is
we get to the end of the show, and especially me,
mostly me, you guys would do it. I'm kind of
out of words, but not today. I thought there's going
to be a five minute Tangent just to get it done,
(31:46):
and it's been I think thirty five minutes, so sorry.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk and my
therapy session, and you can all send me a bill.
I won't pay it, but you can send it. And
episode number one in the Books of the Tangent for
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Thank you.
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Betrayal Season 5
Saskia Inwood woke up one morning, knowing her life would never be the same. The night before, she learned the unimaginable – that the husband she knew in the light of day was a different person after dark. This season unpacks Saskia’s discovery of her husband’s secret life and her fight to bring him to justice. Along the way, we expose a crime that is just coming to light. This is also a story about the myth of the “perfect victim:” who gets believed, who gets doubted, and why. We follow Saskia as she works to reclaim her body, her voice, and her life. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.