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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You want to do a tangent so hard? Have you
(00:02):
ever wanted to do a tangent harder?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I don't think I have either hit the intro pee.
Let's do this hard. It's the tangent giving you all
this ship we couldn't talk about on the air. Yeah,
give it to me or I'm giving it to you.
I guess you're giving it to whom.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I guess it's always the age old question.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Who's giving it to whom? Jason? Can you can you
as a gay man, can you always identify when you
meet a gay couple who primarily is giving it to whom?
So that's kind of how it works, right, Like I'm asking,
Like truly, I.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Don't person normally will give it to the other.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, there's there's more of a giving, like both give.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
But as far as unless you're like a double bottom
and you have like a two sided dildo or something, Oh.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
My good, tricky Yeah, in so many ways.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, okay, So I'm sorry, But back to the question,
like when you because I'm always wrong, like to be
very honest, when I met you and Mike, I would
have maybe guests differently.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean I you always get
like a vibe, and I always like to guess, but then,
like you said, it's kind of always different than you think,
or sometimes you're pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, you know, but like out in the world, there
are typically tops and typically bottoms.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, there's usually just a bunch of bottoms running around
looking for some tops and the top. There's always a
top shortage.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Now it seems that the top is a better gig.
Is that not true?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The bottom less maintenance.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, but bottom to be a good gig, I.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Mean yeah, if you're like, if you're just trying to
like starfish it, you know, and just sort of like
lay there, then I guess you. Bottoms probably exert less effort,
but there's more maintenance to make sure you're prepared.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But physically it's as satisfying.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean, yeah, I think at the end of the day,
everyone should be getting off no matter what, whether you're
top bottom.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But I mean the act of being the bottom feels
as good as the act of being the top, or
it does, okay if with someone that's doing it right, Oh,
doing it right, okay, Because I didn't know if the
bottom thing was more like psychological, like this doesn't feel
as good. But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It tends to be because it's hard to hit where
you need to hit.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You know, you've got a g spot in there in
your bootyhole.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh I know. Hey, you ain't teaching me that, new girl.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
No, God, put it in your ass like that.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
That's why I think about it, think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I do often.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I know, I always mess with my husband like, let
me get in there, but he won't let me.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
But I will get in there.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I get in there. Guy, what is your curiosity about? Like,
why do you why do you want to mess with that?
Just because he says no, exactly what? Yeah, it's not
my thing, but I do know that it's there, and
I've heard that. I've heard people can has it been
hit before? No? No, But you know, you know it
has nothing to do with like, I don't have any
(03:00):
issue with I think that there's this is the tangent,
so I can be a little more candid. I think
there are some men that think if you're playing with
their butt that's gay. I don't. I'm not of that camp.
I'm more of I think my butt is ugly, and
I also I don't. I'm probably not prepared for, uh,
you know, for my butt to be attacked in that way.
(03:24):
Like I just, I just I try and maintain that
area as best I can, but it's I'm not I'm
not up to the standards. You know, likes cleanliness, sure,
but I just mean, like all around, I don't know.
I just and I'm I'm uncomfortable with it, which is
why just from like a physical like just being in
that area it makes me uncomfortable. So I do think
(03:45):
there are men who are like, oh, I never did that.
Well from what I understand, if it's done right, it
can feel really really good. But I just am I'm
insecure about that part of my body. I think my
buttthole is ugly and so I don't let anybody near it.
Did you have any questions Kiki for Gaye?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
No, no, you know, not trying to mad my business and.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oh no, but this isn't the time for them. This
is the time to get milk.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
I mean, you asked all the questions that I think
we need to know you have, you have covered at all.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know everyone could use a good milking, you know.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But spotty y'all, But why deprive yourself like you should
just go ahead and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Let a lot of people would a lot of people
would make that, but big Tim may not want that.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
No, she doesn't.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That to me, like as an outsider looking at straight
guys that act like that, it gives to me like
toxic masculinity, Like it's like, oh, don't touch my brot
because it'll make me gay.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I guess that's what I'm trying to say to you,
is like, that's not where I'm coming from. Trust me.
Like I've said this a million times and people I've
had people think that's it's very strange. I kind of
there are days when I kind of wish I just
liked everything male female, where I just like whatever, just
I want it all like there are But it's just it.
(05:00):
It doesn't the same way that you don't gravitate towards women.
I don't gravitate towards men. I just needs. But wouldn't
it be nice if you just liked everybody?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
He tried at least I want you to try.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No, but I don't. But but you keep you said
that about a lot of things. I don't think you
have to try it. I don't think I have to
try it to know that. I don't want that I'm
not period chemically sort of oriented towards it. Plus I
need you need me to get turned on by it,
and I'm not going to get turned on by it
because it's not my thing. Right, So like if my
little fing a lang doesn't get hard, then it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And you need it hard for that, right, just bend over?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay, Well, I think that's called molestation.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And it's hard. It's not easy to stay hard when
that's going. Yeah, like you're not like hard and getting
it from the back like that is a skill.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But I meant like, in order for me to be
in the back, I would obviously need to be excited
about it, and I just don't think that would excite
me you because it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You give top energy. Like so that means that you
want to be in the bad room. You would want
you would want it, you know what.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right, But like again, I would need that would need
to turn me on. It would need to excite me,
and it doesn't the same way that you don't get
wildly excited by a vagina right now. You did, but
that was only because you thought you thought that was
the right thing to do, right.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I was just young and I feel like when
you're young, you're just like horned up all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And you didn't want to let it. Like we weren't
joking around here. But this was deeper though, like you
you wanted you're a rule follower. You wanted, I think,
to be what everybody what you thought everybody wanted you
to be, so you it was almost more a survival mechanism.
You fucking women.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Then it was say, you know, I did it, yeah,
and I tried it, and I don't want to do
it again.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I met a gay guy recently. Well, no, I've known
him forever, a long long time, but he's a gay man,
and he says, no, I would have sex with women
as well, if my partner would let me. He's been
married for a long time. He's like, no, no, no, I'm
by like but but I'm not allowed to be by
because I'm not my in our arrangement. I'm not in
our marriage. I'm not allowed to step out like that.
(07:02):
But I was a little surprised by that, not that
that exists. I know that exists, but in him, I
was surprised to hear him say that. But that's not you.
You don't have any desire.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, no, no, And I guess you could if you're
really by like that. You know, that's kind of unfortunate
that you have to give up that whole side and
not looking up with women anymore, you know. But you know,
if you like that, you never get to have that again,
which kind of.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I suppose, you know. But I appreciate you, Jason,
and people like you have met over the years who
sort of like are willing to answer questions like this
to educate me. Like I had a roommate, we'd shared
a bathroom when I went to school in the UK,
and he was gay, and like that was maybe the
first gay man that I could have an honest conversation
(07:46):
with and actually asked. This is a long time ago too.
This was twenty five years ago, so it wasn't even
necessarily it was almost still taboo, yeah, a little bit
to be gay. But this guy, you know, we would
talk about stuff, and he he was able to educate
me and answer questions that would have been wildly inappropriate
for me to ask other people. And I really appreciated that.
One thing that surprised me is I guess I when
(08:09):
I was much younger, I thought you guys were always
doing it in the butt. I thought that was like
I thought, like the same way that I put it
in the badge, like you were putting in the butt
like all the time, and he was in his things
and maybe some people are. But his thing to me
was like, oh no, no, that's like that's not all
the time.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, that's for certain. Well at least, I think every
relationship is different. But I don't think it's as common
as people think it is now.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I will say this sometimes I wish that I I
think if I approached my diet like I wanted to
be butt sex ready all the time, then I'd be
a lot skinny. Oh so you know what I'm saying.
So maybe I should like tell myself in my head
and even the women in the rum where even you
guys are not in your head. Ye, Like if I
approached life like somebody was gonna at any moment yet
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sex with me, I mean my diet would be chef's kiss,
like I would be skinny, and some are ready at
all times all the time. Yeah. I also think that
if I'm ever in a relationship, that's probably going to
happen at least early on, because you know, like over
the weekend, I had Mexican food twice because I could
go back to the hotel and like, whatever happens is I.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Thought you were seeing butt sex would happen at least
early on, I.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Was like, wow, well no, well maybe, but no, like
I was, I did not feel great like I was
in Texas and Mexican food was on the was on
the table literally twice. It was like two different Mexican
food restaurants that I'm here for it. But that evening
and the next morning it wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty,
but it was okay because I was alone and there
was no one that I had to conceal that experience from.
(09:36):
But I did think yesterday morning in the hotel room,
like if I had to do what I'm doing right
now in like the lobby bathroom, I might get asked
to leave the hotel like completely. So I feel like
if I were in a relationship and people I'm sure
listening now will go yeah right after six months or
a year, it's like no one, no one tries like
that anymore. But I can see myself being that guy who,
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even after years, is just too embarrassed about my own
bodily functions. That I would. I would be the guy
who ate the salad where everyone else ate the enchilada
because I don't want to, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not I'm not about doing what I got to
do in there and then trying to figure out a
way to get it out of there before you come
in and realize I'm a real human being.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, that part is something that I'll never
get used to, like the farting and the whatever you do,
like the shit and I'm not doing that, but I haven't.
But the wagate is real, Like I know you're like,
oh yeah, I wouldn't eat because I don't want her
to see like.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Later, guys, No, I would be so skinny if I
ever have to date again, I would be so skinny.
I wouldn't be eating.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
From the beginning.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well I would just because I'd be trying to get
people and be ready. I'd be at steamworks, naked in
the hot tub, skinny as house tating.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yes, But then like you get comfortable, at least I do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I don't know. Oh yeah, then when you get into
the right then here we are.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
That's what I hear people saying, is oh no, Fred,
like after not very long. People get lazy and they
get comfortable. I could see where or the diet. I
could see where the weight game would occur. But I
could also see where I'm still self conscious about because
like I know, if I eat a Mexican food meal
or whatever, even if I didn't know it, I am
farting in my sleep. There's no doubt about it. Everybody does.
It's human, but you're and so somebody else would have
(11:14):
to experience that and I don't. I don't. I want
them to think I don't even do that. I want
people out there to believe that I don't fart or ship.
I really want people to believe that, and so I would.
It would be like invisible, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
So that's the beauty of a relationship.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Like bro, I cannot ship, please, you know what I'm saying,
Like you you know, i'd be farting, like you want
me to rip one right in front of him? No,
but in my sleep, I can't go, you know, understand.
But it's like I need to know that you love
me anyway, you love me despite us.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But if you tear up the bathroom, maybe tear down.
Do you use the same bathroom or you use different.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Two separate ones, but mine.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's that is esthetic key. That is a key.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Connect to our bedroom, which is not always six.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Oh yeah, okay signs on the other side of the house.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah. I almost feel like I need if I were married.
First of all, I would need a house that's seven
times bigger than the one I have now, and I
don't use seventeen percent of the house I have now.
But I need if I get married, I need to
be able to lose you in the home.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yes, like I love.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You and trust me, trust me, you want to lose them.
If I'm getting married and we're moving in together, then
that shows it the most love I've ever experienced, probably
in my life romantically. But I need to be able
to not find you in the house. And then there
needs to be a place where I can go and
take a shit that like you've and maybe you've never
even been in that part of our home, Like maybe
you have never discovered that we have that part of
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our house right like exactly, Like it needs to be
like fingerprint entry and only I can go in there
and like that's where that happens peeing, Okay, But like
maybe I need to have my own wing where my
own shit is happening, literally and you don't even you've
never even seen it. You don't even know where it happens.
It's like I go to a magical place, maybe like
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a maybe like a pool house or something. I don't know,
like maybe maybe another house, maybe another house where I
go to ship. I don't know. Maybe I'll be like
like my Mark Cuban and have multiple houses on the
same like land. You know what I be like, like,
what's that house? Well, that's where he goes to the ship.
I'm not allowed in there. I don't know what he doesn't. Oh,
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I know when he's not feeling way, he goes in
there and he comes out an hour later, like looking
like new. And by the way, that we need to
have a shower in there, a change of clothes, like
I need to be able to go in there and
emerge like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What kind of loads are you dropping?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm just saying like I need, I need, I need
to come out. Well if I'm showering afterwards. But if
I'm showering, then I am Am not going to put
the same clothes on. If I just took a poop
and shower and then I'm putting on knew everything.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Is it often that you need to shower after your poops?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, but I try and plant it that way.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay, well that's fine.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I try and never poop where a shower isn't immediately
to follow. I try and work out my whole day
like that dream. Yeah, yeah, like that. There's gonna be
like maybe maybe I poop and then take a nap
or something, and then but there's going to be a
shower before I'm exposed to the public yet again, right,
And I might know and that it comes back to
our earlier point, which is just my insecurity about all that,
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Like I never want you to even know that that happened,
really no, And I don't know why. And I have
no idea where this sort of weirdness about bodily function
comes from, because it wasn't like we didn't talk about
it in our house growing up. But it wasn't like
it was taboo. We just didn't now my mom and
my sister over there time and all kinds of shit.
I'm like, where did this come from? Because we didn't
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do that. But I don't know. I'm just I'm uncomfortable
with bodily function, but it's not just someone else's. It's
primarily my own. Because you know, I've heard women be like, oh,
you know, my husband can't handle this conversation or that
conversation or whatever, and it's like, okay, well and that's immature.
It's like, well, maybe it is, but it's not just you.
It's me too. I don't want you to know my
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shiit either. Literally, I don't know where it came from.
I have no idea where I'm so bashful in that way,
because I'm not bashful in so many other ways. I'm
not sure everyone has thing I didn't even think. I
actually wasn't entirely sure where this was going, this tangent,
but this is where it went, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
You eat ass right, absolutely, you.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Know what happens back my guys.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know, but I assume if you're letting me do that,
then you you you know what we're working.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Right right after you go into.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
The bath, Like I assume if you're letting me down there,
that that the conditions are right for that activity, Like
I assume you wouldn't set me.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Up, you're trustful for that, but.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You're right, I think for whatever reason when it comes
to that, like if you start thinking about what's going
on down there, like it's not necessarily great. No, so
you got to stop thinking about it. So yeah, all right,
I think that's that's good for today. I got a conference.
I'm a conference call. Well later I did Esnational Sandwich Day.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Do you go here in the morning, absolutely, absolutely, Your
your duty holds on the entire time until you get home.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
No. Yeah, it's it's we're not in it's a bad situation.
I would say once or twice a year, we find
ourselves where it needs to happen here and it's not do.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You go into the shitting bathroom or do you go into.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The No, I go into the regular one. Hide my
feet so you can't see mucheckered Vand.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I want to treat the position you get in that.
I want to see you ship. I just want to see,
like if you could recreate it bathroom.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The worst is if you're like in the midst of
one that's really not It's like it's you know, you
got a serious one on your hands. You gotta you
got a nine alarm or a three alarm or whatever
they call it in the fire three and then somebody
walks into p and then you and then like I
gotta hold it off, you know what I mean, because
like you're in there at the urinal or whatever, and
like I need you to get the fuck out again
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before I go back to what I was doing, because
because I don't want to be the guy who's like, dude,
I was in there one time, Fred was in there,
and like, oh my god, he destroyed that motherfucker. Like
you know what I mean, I don't. I don't need
I don't. I'm not about that life. I need you again.
I need the rest of the world to think I
don't do that either. I Oh no, no, no one.
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No one has ever seen me walk into a urinal. No no, no, no, no,
no huh, it's no excuse me into that, into the stall,
into the stall. No people have seen me pee at
the stall. Jason's always following me on, but no, no
one's ever seen me walk into a stall in this
in this office. Absolutely, I had a boss once. No
one ever saw him use the bathroom. No one ever
(17:47):
saw him walk into a bathroom. In fact, we don't
even know where he used the bathroom. But everyone's theory
was that it was a power thing. Like he wanted
people to think that he was like not that he
didn't do that. Now we all know he used the bathroom,
but for him, it was like exposing some form of
vulnerability or something. It was like a power thing. It
was like, dude, the guy's superhuman or whatever, but we
know he's not. But anyway, yeah, any other anything else
(18:12):
on this topic.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
No, most importantly, you eat ass.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's the girl.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
If you want to ask, if you want your ass eating,
I'll eat the ass.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
He was bringing it up.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I think I see this. I saw this TikTok trend
a couple of weeks ago, and the whole trend was
guys who go down on women for their own pleasure.
Like it was like, and these women were like it
was a little bit of a trend going, and it
(18:45):
was women going. I didn't know these men existed. Well, Hi,
nice to meet you, like men do most men, Like
they were acting like like we and I am part
of I am part of this club. They were acting
like we are a I mean, dangered species. Like a
lot of people on TikTok were like, man, we see
(19:05):
for you know, for for their own pleasure, like.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Rare, yes, really yeah, it's rare.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
What is wrong with dudes so much?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I don't care who's pleasure it's for as long
as you do it. I don't care who whose rocks
you care about?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Oh yeah, Like I will admit it's it's selfish because
I like it, and too, I know it works, and
so that's the other reason I like it. But I
was very surprised because if you do it right and
with passion and vigor, okay, it could beg it can
be extremely effective. So I don't know why dudes are
out here trying to do that, because I would think
(19:40):
you'd want to because it's uh, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, right, well, thank you mate. I consider myself
I kind of do. But I mean, like, like gentlemen,
like I want you to get off. There's a couple
of reasons I want you to get off. I want
you to get off, and I want you to be
pleased sexually because I want you to have that too.
I don't want you to be able to know that
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I couldn't make that happen, like I need you to
like it, you know what I'm saying. So I will
say it's it's twofold. I want you to come because
I want you to come because I want you to
have fun. But I want you to come because I
need that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I want you to come.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I need it. Boxes.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I got a question, Boxes in terms of the ass
eating that you partake in. Yeah, Calin from Chicago.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Question, certainly, Hi, Cale, this is a conference because she
brought it up so many tan.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Caitlin from The Fred Show. Yes, what's your question?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, So is ass eating in these situations that you
might find yourself in when a man loves a woman,
is that something you'll just go for or is it
something you need to be asked to do or is
it something you ask for permission in the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's a great question, Caitlyn. Thank you, You're welcome. So
I would say the ass eating is something that you
kind of you kind of play with it a little bit.
Same with like the fingers, you sort of experiment, you
get kind of closed, and then you see what we're
working with, like you see if if it's like a
good reaction or like a squirm or an eh, you know,
and then you sort of ease into that, Like you
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don't just go raw dog sticking anything anywhere, Like you
gotta kind of feel it out. Literally.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, that's a good method.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
And then you see sort of how things are going.
And sometimes you get like, oh, like, oh, that's okay,
that's that's we are headed in the right direction, my friends,
we are going south at the border. But then other
times it's like oh no, and then you and then
you know we're staying away from there.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, okay, that's a good method.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But I've had people on like that was the other
one on TikTok last week.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Ever asked like, can you please eat my ass? Like
I could never ask that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
No. I think it should be. It should be part
of every man's game, every part of his part of
his toolbox. And and then some people will tell you no,
but I definitely think you need to be able to
do that. Yeah, what I gotta say. It's the other one.
I can't remember. It doesn't matter. Was there was something
else like that? H I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
It should be the appetizer always.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh what was I gonna say? First date, first date,
oral sex people. This was on TikTok last week along
the same lines. It was guys who go down on
women on a first date. That's wild. I'm like, if
we're having sex, then that's on the table, like unless
you tell me no, then that is that is, if
we're having sex, then I'm then going me going down
(22:18):
on you is part of the package that you've think
that you've been on.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Okay, okay, why yeah, why would that if you're having
the full shebang?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Why would it be weird.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To Because apparently, and you guys would know better than me,
but apparently there are a lot of guys out there
that the only way they're doing that is if they
have to. So I don't get it. I simply don't understand.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And by the way, I don't want it. If you
you feel like it's like a chore.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I don't want a blow job.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
When you think it's like that, nothing makes me.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
I already cannot stand making people like wait or do
things they don't want, like please, don't even try.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I feel the exact same way if you don't want to.
The difference between a blowjob that someone wants to give
and the one that they're giving out of obligation is
night and day. I don't want the obligatory one, like
don't bother, don't even bother with it, just save it,
keep your mouth shut out. I'll handle it. Yep, yeah,
thank you, thank you. We'll cover a lot of grounds
about how during the tangent, like people have come in
(23:09):
and out, two people. Jason's going to two meetings in
the period of time that we've done it. Pauline, I
don't know what she's off programming doing AI. She's writing
code for something. I don't know, rewiring something. I have
no idea. But anyway, that was a nice little tangent
we just did, so thank you. Excellent job guys, And
if you would, you could listen to all the other
tangents and and our show, our little radio program is
(23:31):
up there too. Search for the Fred Show on demand.
You can listen to that. Have a good day.
You want to do a tangent so hard? Have you
(00:02):
ever wanted to do a tangent harder?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I don't think I have either hit the intro pee.
Let's do this hard. It's the tangent giving you all
this ship we couldn't talk about on the air. Yeah,
give it to me or I'm giving it to you.
I guess you're giving it to whom.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I guess it's always the age old question.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Who's giving it to whom? Jason? Can you can you
as a gay man, can you always identify when you
meet a gay couple who primarily is giving it to whom?
So that's kind of how it works, right, Like I'm asking,
Like truly, I.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Don't person normally will give it to the other.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, there's there's more of a giving, like both give.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
But as far as unless you're like a double bottom
and you have like a two sided dildo or something, Oh.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
My good, tricky Yeah, in so many ways.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, okay, So I'm sorry, But back to the question,
like when you because I'm always wrong, like to be
very honest, when I met you and Mike, I would
have maybe guests differently.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean I you always get
like a vibe, and I always like to guess, but then,
like you said, it's kind of always different than you think,
or sometimes you're pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, you know, but like out in the world, there
are typically tops and typically bottoms.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, there's usually just a bunch of bottoms running around
looking for some tops and the top. There's always a
top shortage.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Now it seems that the top is a better gig.
Is that not true?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The bottom less maintenance.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, but bottom to be a good gig, I.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Mean yeah, if you're like, if you're just trying to
like starfish it, you know, and just sort of like
lay there, then I guess you. Bottoms probably exert less effort,
but there's more maintenance to make sure you're prepared.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But physically it's as satisfying.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean, yeah, I think at the end of the day,
everyone should be getting off no matter what, whether you're
top bottom.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But I mean the act of being the bottom feels
as good as the act of being the top, or
it does, okay if with someone that's doing it right, Oh,
doing it right, okay, Because I didn't know if the
bottom thing was more like psychological, like this doesn't feel
as good. But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It tends to be because it's hard to hit where
you need to hit.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
You know, you've got a g spot in there in
your bootyhole.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh I know. Hey, you ain't teaching me that, new girl.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
No, God, put it in your ass like that.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
That's why I think about it, think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I do often.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I know, I always mess with my husband like, let
me get in there, but he won't let me.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
But I will get in there.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I get in there. Guy, what is your curiosity about? Like,
why do you why do you want to mess with that?
Just because he says no, exactly what? Yeah, it's not
my thing, but I do know that it's there, and
I've heard that. I've heard people can has it been
hit before? No? No, But you know, you know it
has nothing to do with like, I don't have any
(03:00):
issue with I think that there's this is the tangent,
so I can be a little more candid. I think
there are some men that think if you're playing with
their butt that's gay. I don't. I'm not of that camp.
I'm more of I think my butt is ugly, and
I also I don't. I'm probably not prepared for, uh,
you know, for my butt to be attacked in that way.
(03:24):
Like I just, I just I try and maintain that
area as best I can, but it's I'm not I'm
not up to the standards. You know, likes cleanliness, sure,
but I just mean, like all around, I don't know.
I just and I'm I'm uncomfortable with it, which is
why just from like a physical like just being in
that area it makes me uncomfortable. So I do think
(03:45):
there are men who are like, oh, I never did that.
Well from what I understand, if it's done right, it
can feel really really good. But I just am I'm
insecure about that part of my body. I think my
buttthole is ugly and so I don't let anybody near it.
Did you have any questions Kiki for Gaye?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
No, no, you know, not trying to mad my business and.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oh no, but this isn't the time for them. This
is the time to get milk.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
I mean, you asked all the questions that I think
we need to know you have, you have covered at all.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know everyone could use a good milking, you know.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But spotty y'all, But why deprive yourself like you should
just go ahead and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Let a lot of people would a lot of people
would make that, but big Tim may not want that.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
No, she doesn't.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That to me, like as an outsider looking at straight
guys that act like that, it gives to me like
toxic masculinity, Like it's like, oh, don't touch my brot
because it'll make me gay.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I guess that's what I'm trying to say to you,
is like, that's not where I'm coming from. Trust me.
Like I've said this a million times and people I've
had people think that's it's very strange. I kind of
there are days when I kind of wish I just
liked everything male female, where I just like whatever, just
I want it all like there are But it's just it.
(05:00):
It doesn't the same way that you don't gravitate towards women.
I don't gravitate towards men. I just needs. But wouldn't
it be nice if you just liked everybody?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
He tried at least I want you to try.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No, but I don't. But but you keep you said
that about a lot of things. I don't think you
have to try it. I don't think I have to
try it to know that. I don't want that I'm
not period chemically sort of oriented towards it. Plus I
need you need me to get turned on by it,
and I'm not going to get turned on by it
because it's not my thing. Right, So like if my
little fing a lang doesn't get hard, then it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And you need it hard for that, right, just bend over?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay, Well, I think that's called molestation.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And it's hard. It's not easy to stay hard when
that's going. Yeah, like you're not like hard and getting
it from the back like that is a skill.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But I meant like, in order for me to be
in the back, I would obviously need to be excited
about it, and I just don't think that would excite
me you because it's not.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You give top energy. Like so that means that you
want to be in the bad room. You would want
you would want it, you know what.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right, But like again, I would need that would need
to turn me on. It would need to excite me,
and it doesn't the same way that you don't get
wildly excited by a vagina right now. You did, but
that was only because you thought you thought that was
the right thing to do, right.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I was just young and I feel like when
you're young, you're just like horned up all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And you didn't want to let it. Like we weren't
joking around here. But this was deeper though, like you
you wanted you're a rule follower. You wanted, I think,
to be what everybody what you thought everybody wanted you
to be, so you it was almost more a survival mechanism.
You fucking women.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Then it was say, you know, I did it, yeah,
and I tried it, and I don't want to do
it again.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I met a gay guy recently. Well, no, I've known
him forever, a long long time, but he's a gay man,
and he says, no, I would have sex with women
as well, if my partner would let me. He's been
married for a long time. He's like, no, no, no, I'm
by like but but I'm not allowed to be by
because I'm not my in our arrangement. I'm not in
our marriage. I'm not allowed to step out like that.
(07:02):
But I was a little surprised by that, not that
that exists. I know that exists, but in him, I
was surprised to hear him say that. But that's not you.
You don't have any desire.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, no, no, And I guess you could if you're
really by like that. You know, that's kind of unfortunate
that you have to give up that whole side and
not looking up with women anymore, you know. But you know,
if you like that, you never get to have that again,
which kind of.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I suppose, you know. But I appreciate you, Jason,
and people like you have met over the years who
sort of like are willing to answer questions like this
to educate me. Like I had a roommate, we'd shared
a bathroom when I went to school in the UK,
and he was gay, and like that was maybe the
first gay man that I could have an honest conversation
(07:46):
with and actually asked. This is a long time ago too.
This was twenty five years ago, so it wasn't even
necessarily it was almost still taboo, yeah, a little bit
to be gay. But this guy, you know, we would
talk about stuff, and he he was able to educate
me and answer questions that would have been wildly inappropriate
for me to ask other people. And I really appreciated that.
One thing that surprised me is I guess I when
(08:09):
I was much younger, I thought you guys were always
doing it in the butt. I thought that was like
I thought, like the same way that I put it
in the badge, like you were putting in the butt
like all the time, and he was in his things
and maybe some people are. But his thing to me
was like, oh no, no, that's like that's not all
the time.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, that's for certain. Well at least, I think every
relationship is different. But I don't think it's as common
as people think it is now.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I will say this sometimes I wish that I I
think if I approached my diet like I wanted to
be butt sex ready all the time, then I'd be
a lot skinny. Oh so you know what I'm saying.
So maybe I should like tell myself in my head
and even the women in the rum where even you
guys are not in your head. Ye, Like if I
approached life like somebody was gonna at any moment yet
(08:51):
sex with me, I mean my diet would be chef's kiss,
like I would be skinny, and some are ready at
all times all the time. Yeah. I also think that
if I'm ever in a relationship, that's probably going to
happen at least early on, because you know, like over
the weekend, I had Mexican food twice because I could
go back to the hotel and like, whatever happens is I.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Thought you were seeing butt sex would happen at least
early on, I.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Was like, wow, well no, well maybe, but no, like
I was, I did not feel great like I was
in Texas and Mexican food was on the was on
the table literally twice. It was like two different Mexican
food restaurants that I'm here for it. But that evening
and the next morning it wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty,
but it was okay because I was alone and there
was no one that I had to conceal that experience from.
(09:36):
But I did think yesterday morning in the hotel room,
like if I had to do what I'm doing right
now in like the lobby bathroom, I might get asked
to leave the hotel like completely. So I feel like
if I were in a relationship and people I'm sure
listening now will go yeah right after six months or
a year, it's like no one, no one tries like
that anymore. But I can see myself being that guy who,
(09:58):
even after years, is just too embarrassed about my own
bodily functions. That I would. I would be the guy
who ate the salad where everyone else ate the enchilada
because I don't want to, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not I'm not about doing what I got to
do in there and then trying to figure out a
way to get it out of there before you come
in and realize I'm a real human being.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, that part is something that I'll never
get used to, like the farting and the whatever you do,
like the shit and I'm not doing that, but I haven't.
But the wagate is real, Like I know you're like,
oh yeah, I wouldn't eat because I don't want her
to see like.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Later, guys, No, I would be so skinny if I
ever have to date again, I would be so skinny.
I wouldn't be eating.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
From the beginning.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well I would just because I'd be trying to get
people and be ready. I'd be at steamworks, naked in
the hot tub, skinny as house tating.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yes, But then like you get comfortable, at least I do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I don't know. Oh yeah, then when you get into
the right then here we are.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
That's what I hear people saying, is oh no, Fred,
like after not very long. People get lazy and they
get comfortable. I could see where or the diet. I
could see where the weight game would occur. But I
could also see where I'm still self conscious about because
like I know, if I eat a Mexican food meal
or whatever, even if I didn't know it, I am
farting in my sleep. There's no doubt about it. Everybody does.
It's human, but you're and so somebody else would have
(11:14):
to experience that and I don't. I don't. I want
them to think I don't even do that. I want
people out there to believe that I don't fart or ship.
I really want people to believe that, and so I would.
It would be like invisible, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
So that's the beauty of a relationship.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Like bro, I cannot ship, please, you know what I'm saying,
Like you you know, i'd be farting, like you want
me to rip one right in front of him? No,
but in my sleep, I can't go, you know, understand.
But it's like I need to know that you love
me anyway, you love me despite us.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But if you tear up the bathroom, maybe tear down.
Do you use the same bathroom or you use different.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Two separate ones, but mine.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's that is esthetic key. That is a key.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Connect to our bedroom, which is not always six.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Oh yeah, okay signs on the other side of the house.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah. I almost feel like I need if I were married.
First of all, I would need a house that's seven
times bigger than the one I have now, and I
don't use seventeen percent of the house I have now.
But I need if I get married, I need to
be able to lose you in the home.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yes, like I love.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You and trust me, trust me, you want to lose them.
If I'm getting married and we're moving in together, then
that shows it the most love I've ever experienced, probably
in my life romantically. But I need to be able
to not find you in the house. And then there
needs to be a place where I can go and
take a shit that like you've and maybe you've never
even been in that part of our home, Like maybe
you have never discovered that we have that part of
(12:44):
our house right like exactly, Like it needs to be
like fingerprint entry and only I can go in there
and like that's where that happens peeing, Okay, But like
maybe I need to have my own wing where my
own shit is happening, literally and you don't even you've
never even seen it. You don't even know where it happens.
It's like I go to a magical place, maybe like
(13:06):
a maybe like a pool house or something. I don't know,
like maybe maybe another house, maybe another house where I
go to ship. I don't know. Maybe I'll be like
like my Mark Cuban and have multiple houses on the
same like land. You know what I be like, like,
what's that house? Well, that's where he goes to the ship.
I'm not allowed in there. I don't know what he doesn't. Oh,
(13:27):
I know when he's not feeling way, he goes in
there and he comes out an hour later, like looking
like new. And by the way, that we need to
have a shower in there, a change of clothes, like
I need to be able to go in there and
emerge like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What kind of loads are you dropping?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm just saying like I need, I need, I need
to come out. Well if I'm showering afterwards. But if
I'm showering, then I am Am not going to put
the same clothes on. If I just took a poop
and shower and then I'm putting on knew everything.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Is it often that you need to shower after your poops?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, but I try and plant it that way.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay, well that's fine.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I try and never poop where a shower isn't immediately
to follow. I try and work out my whole day
like that dream. Yeah, yeah, like that. There's gonna be
like maybe maybe I poop and then take a nap
or something, and then but there's going to be a
shower before I'm exposed to the public yet again, right,
And I might know and that it comes back to
our earlier point, which is just my insecurity about all that,
(14:25):
Like I never want you to even know that that happened,
really no, And I don't know why. And I have
no idea where this sort of weirdness about bodily function
comes from, because it wasn't like we didn't talk about
it in our house growing up. But it wasn't like
it was taboo. We just didn't now my mom and
my sister over there time and all kinds of shit.
I'm like, where did this come from? Because we didn't
(14:45):
do that. But I don't know. I'm just I'm uncomfortable
with bodily function, but it's not just someone else's. It's
primarily my own. Because you know, I've heard women be like, oh,
you know, my husband can't handle this conversation or that
conversation or whatever, and it's like, okay, well and that's immature.
It's like, well, maybe it is, but it's not just you.
It's me too. I don't want you to know my
(15:06):
shiit either. Literally, I don't know where it came from.
I have no idea where I'm so bashful in that way,
because I'm not bashful in so many other ways. I'm
not sure everyone has thing I didn't even think. I
actually wasn't entirely sure where this was going, this tangent,
but this is where it went, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
You eat ass right, absolutely, you.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Know what happens back my guys.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know, but I assume if you're letting me do that,
then you you you know what we're working.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Right right after you go into.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
The bath, Like I assume if you're letting me down there,
that that the conditions are right for that activity, Like
I assume you wouldn't set me.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Up, you're trustful for that, but.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You're right, I think for whatever reason when it comes
to that, like if you start thinking about what's going
on down there, like it's not necessarily great. No, so
you got to stop thinking about it. So yeah, all right,
I think that's that's good for today. I got a conference.
I'm a conference call. Well later I did Esnational Sandwich Day.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Do you go here in the morning, absolutely, absolutely, Your
your duty holds on the entire time until you get home.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
No. Yeah, it's it's we're not in it's a bad situation.
I would say once or twice a year, we find
ourselves where it needs to happen here and it's not do.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You go into the shitting bathroom or do you go into.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
The No, I go into the regular one. Hide my
feet so you can't see mucheckered Vand.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I want to treat the position you get in that.
I want to see you ship. I just want to see,
like if you could recreate it bathroom.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The worst is if you're like in the midst of
one that's really not It's like it's you know, you
got a serious one on your hands. You gotta you
got a nine alarm or a three alarm or whatever
they call it in the fire three and then somebody
walks into p and then you and then like I
gotta hold it off, you know what I mean, because
like you're in there at the urinal or whatever, and
like I need you to get the fuck out again
(17:04):
before I go back to what I was doing, because
because I don't want to be the guy who's like, dude,
I was in there one time, Fred was in there,
and like, oh my god, he destroyed that motherfucker. Like
you know what I mean, I don't. I don't need
I don't. I'm not about that life. I need you again.
I need the rest of the world to think I
don't do that either. I Oh no, no, no one.
(17:25):
No one has ever seen me walk into a urinal. No no, no, no, no,
no huh, it's no excuse me into that, into the stall,
into the stall. No people have seen me pee at
the stall. Jason's always following me on, but no, no
one's ever seen me walk into a stall in this
in this office. Absolutely, I had a boss once. No
one ever saw him use the bathroom. No one ever
(17:47):
saw him walk into a bathroom. In fact, we don't
even know where he used the bathroom. But everyone's theory
was that it was a power thing. Like he wanted
people to think that he was like not that he
didn't do that. Now we all know he used the bathroom,
but for him, it was like exposing some form of
vulnerability or something. It was like a power thing. It
was like, dude, the guy's superhuman or whatever, but we
know he's not. But anyway, yeah, any other anything else
(18:12):
on this topic.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
No, most importantly, you eat ass.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's the girl.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
If you want to ask, if you want your ass eating,
I'll eat the ass.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
He was bringing it up.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I think I see this. I saw this TikTok trend
a couple of weeks ago, and the whole trend was
guys who go down on women for their own pleasure.
Like it was like, and these women were like it
was a little bit of a trend going, and it
(18:45):
was women going. I didn't know these men existed. Well, Hi,
nice to meet you, like men do most men, Like
they were acting like like we and I am part
of I am part of this club. They were acting
like we are a I mean, dangered species. Like a
lot of people on TikTok were like, man, we see
(19:05):
for you know, for for their own pleasure, like.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Rare, yes, really yeah, it's rare.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
What is wrong with dudes so much?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I don't care who's pleasure it's for as long
as you do it. I don't care who whose rocks
you care about?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Oh yeah, Like I will admit it's it's selfish because
I like it, and too, I know it works, and
so that's the other reason I like it. But I
was very surprised because if you do it right and
with passion and vigor, okay, it could beg it can
be extremely effective. So I don't know why dudes are
out here trying to do that, because I would think
(19:40):
you'd want to because it's uh, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, right, well, thank you mate. I consider myself
I kind of do. But I mean, like, like gentlemen,
like I want you to get off. There's a couple
of reasons I want you to get off. I want
you to get off, and I want you to be
pleased sexually because I want you to have that too.
I don't want you to be able to know that
(20:01):
I couldn't make that happen, like I need you to
like it, you know what I'm saying. So I will
say it's it's twofold. I want you to come because
I want you to come because I want you to
have fun. But I want you to come because I
need that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I want you to come.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I need it. Boxes.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I got a question, Boxes in terms of the ass
eating that you partake in. Yeah, Calin from Chicago.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Question, certainly, Hi, Cale, this is a conference because she
brought it up so many tan.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Caitlin from The Fred Show. Yes, what's your question?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, So is ass eating in these situations that you
might find yourself in when a man loves a woman,
is that something you'll just go for or is it
something you need to be asked to do or is
it something you ask for permission in the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's a great question, Caitlyn. Thank you, You're welcome. So
I would say the ass eating is something that you
kind of you kind of play with it a little bit.
Same with like the fingers, you sort of experiment, you
get kind of closed, and then you see what we're
working with, like you see if if it's like a
good reaction or like a squirm or an eh, you know,
and then you sort of ease into that, Like you
(21:05):
don't just go raw dog sticking anything anywhere, Like you
gotta kind of feel it out. Literally.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, that's a good method.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
And then you see sort of how things are going.
And sometimes you get like, oh, like, oh, that's okay,
that's that's we are headed in the right direction, my friends,
we are going south at the border. But then other
times it's like oh no, and then you and then
you know we're staying away from there.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, okay, that's a good method.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But I've had people on like that was the other
one on TikTok last week.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Ever asked like, can you please eat my ass? Like
I could never ask that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
No. I think it should be. It should be part
of every man's game, every part of his part of
his toolbox. And and then some people will tell you no,
but I definitely think you need to be able to
do that. Yeah, what I gotta say. It's the other one.
I can't remember. It doesn't matter. Was there was something
else like that? H I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
It should be the appetizer always.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh what was I gonna say? First date, first date,
oral sex people. This was on TikTok last week along
the same lines. It was guys who go down on
women on a first date. That's wild. I'm like, if
we're having sex, then that's on the table, like unless
you tell me no, then that is that is, if
we're having sex, then I'm then going me going down
(22:18):
on you is part of the package that you've think
that you've been on.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Okay, okay, why yeah, why would that if you're having
the full shebang?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Why would it be weird.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To Because apparently, and you guys would know better than me,
but apparently there are a lot of guys out there
that the only way they're doing that is if they
have to. So I don't get it. I simply don't understand.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And by the way, I don't want it. If you
you feel like it's like a chore.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I don't want a blow job.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
When you think it's like that, nothing makes me.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
I already cannot stand making people like wait or do
things they don't want, like please, don't even try.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I feel the exact same way if you don't want to.
The difference between a blowjob that someone wants to give
and the one that they're giving out of obligation is
night and day. I don't want the obligatory one, like
don't bother, don't even bother with it, just save it,
keep your mouth shut out. I'll handle it. Yep, yeah,
thank you, thank you. We'll cover a lot of grounds
about how during the tangent, like people have come in
(23:09):
and out, two people. Jason's going to two meetings in
the period of time that we've done it. Pauline, I
don't know what she's off programming doing AI. She's writing
code for something. I don't know, rewiring something. I have
no idea. But anyway, that was a nice little tangent
we just did, so thank you. Excellent job guys, And
if you would, you could listen to all the other
tangents and and our show, our little radio program is
(23:31):
up there too. Search for the Fred Show on demand.
You can listen to that. Have a good day.
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