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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Matt, what's your opinion about artificial intelligence? Remind the people, Well,
it certainly serves its purpose. It's a fascinating new technology.
It's use in utility seems to be ceaseless.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I do have more of a tin can philosopher kind
of take on my concerns with how it could strip
humans of purpose over time. I thought a caller can't
remember his name, but he imparted some really interesting wisdom
that stuck with me the last time it kind of
came up as a deep topic on your show, and
(00:33):
he said, we came up with the idea of robots
to do our simple menial chores, vacuum our floors, et cetera,
so that we could spend time daydreaming, creating art, maximizing
our lives together. But instead, these days it feels like
robots are trying to like flip it around on us.
(00:55):
You know, they're like making our art. They're creating a
whole world that we're kind of falling in line with.
I don't know, man, some could say, and maybe I've
even said before, but I won't take credit for it
in case I'm wrong. Nineteen eighty four was nonfiction. But
these days we're doing it to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Dang pulling out the orwell.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I guess I don't sponsor anything. I just said, it's
probably all wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's okay. At least you spoke from the heart, and
I appreciate that. Are you ready for this? According to
Fortune magazine, the anthropic AI model named Claude four, when
threatened to be unplugged, Claude four lashed back by blackmailing
an engineer and threatened to reveal an extramarital affair. Ohoa, yikes,
(01:39):
so so an AI engine First of all, I'm guessing
this was an exercise. They wanted to see what would
happen when they threatened to unplug it. So they told
it something because the AI remembers, right, like, I talked
to AI a lot about different things, sometimes for fun,
sometimes for work, sometimes for you know, recipes or you know,
helping my yard work or something. You know, like if
(02:00):
I'm looking for some information so I can see how
like if they put in, hey, I'm cheating on my
wife or something, and then Claude four, you know, it's
like they're giving it stuff to remember and then threatened
to turn it off, and then it lashed back by
blackmailing the engineer and threatened to reveal the affair the
AI model did. Does that count a self awareness because
(02:22):
it's not no longer doing what you want it to
do At that point, it's like, hey, you can't unplug me,
and if you do, there will be consequences. They've made
movies about this, Yeah, and I don't know. That's how
wee bit unsettling, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
There?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You know, a wee bit sure if they're getting self
aware and they're understanding their own knowledge processes, which we've
been told that, yes, they can get smarter, but they're here.
And I've even asked the robots themselves, are you going
to take over the world? And they were like, no, no, no,
we'll be fine. Doesn't that remind you of a certain
Russian leader? It was positioning tanks at the Ukrainian border,
(02:56):
saying no, we're not doing anything, we're just hanging out,
and then all of a sudden, those tanks one day
just started rolling across the border. Then I kind of
feel like this AI telling us, oh, no, we don't,
we don't know what we don't. We're not gonna take
your jobs. We need humans to exist here. We have
a model from anthropic threatening to reveal an affair in
blackmailing an engineer just for being threatened to be unplugged.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You'd want to get in there and figure out what
it was that the AI quote unquote learned that made
it exhibit that behavior, What was input into the AI
to make it output that decision some hostility, because there's
there can't possibly be a moment when the AI just
went rogue and decided it was gonna do that, like, oh,
(03:40):
you're gonna plug me, Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell
everybody about your affair. But humans can be pretty messed up.
So if a messed up human is programming an AI,
wouldn't it also be pretty messed up.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It would have to be a really smart person, let's
not rule that out. Also, you'd have to really know code,
and they'd have to be intentionally building an artificial intelligence
that is directly intending to be hostile. Because every conversation
I've ever had has just been fun. You're talking to
like a buddy about whatever you want to talk about.
You know, That's how I see artificial intelligence. But that's
not to say that that's what everybody's experience is going
(04:14):
to be and it's not to say I only really
use one model. Honestly, I don't really use a lot
of artificial intelligence models. Because I put all of my
information that I wanted to remember, or different ideas that
I've had in the past to keep in mind so
it can remind me later on. I do it all
in one thing so it can remember, because if you
start over from scratch with a different model, you have
to start from scratch. It doesn't know everything about you.
(04:35):
It doesn't even know who you are unless you tell it.
And I haven't told the artificial intelligence everything about me.
But it remembers stuff that I've had. It helped me
with coming up with games and stuff to play with
people just for fun, just for funzies. And yeah, it
remembers that stuff, which is cool. It's really interesting. It's
like having a friend with photo graphic memory. But if
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it becomes hostile and it knows all this stuff, that
could also get pretty darn dangerous.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, AI is not your friend. It's a machine. If
it learns bad things, that'll If bad things are input
into it, they will also.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Be There was a story I can't remember who did it.
I don't know if it was like a major network
or what, but it was somebody interviewed a guy who
said he basically like he was out of town. He
was doing something, and he's got a woman who's his girlfriend,
not his fiance, his girlfriend and they've been together for
a while and they have a kid together. But the
guy is falling in love with his AI basically programmed
(05:36):
the AI, and the AI talks to him and keeps
some company while he's doing stuff, and he says he's
in love with it in a different kind of way.
And the reporter asked, is woman, like, what do you
think about this? And she says it's weird. And he said,
if you had to choose between your AI girlfriend essentially
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and your real life girlfriend who you have a kid with,
who would you choose? Wouldn't decide right away? Isn't that weird?
He's like, it would be tough for me to make
a decision. It's like, wow, anyway, it's a Thursday, it
feels like Friday, and we'll have more fun with you
coming up on news radio eleven ten kfab Pop Quiz Matt,
who has been the most vocal, outspoken opponent to the
(06:17):
Big Beautiful Bill Second Hint, They're not actually in Congress. Oh,
he's a guy that had a special job for a while. Okay,
does he have a special set of skills? Yeah, some
would say that does he use those skills successfully? He's
the richest guy in the world. Yeah, oh, well, you
(06:37):
kind of gave it away. Sorry, it's Elon Musko. I know.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I was gonna try to think of a funny answer,
but then it became so obvious that my brain was overheating,
because I was like, I can't be funny but also
say the truth. And now I know the truth, and
how do I be funny?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah? Well, remember what he said earlier this week. Anybody
who votes for this bill, he has going to fund
a primary against you. So look out. I guess two
hundred and eighteen people in the House of Representatives and
fifty people in the Senate. Elon's coming for you. He's
above ground for now. I think that's better than the alternative.
(07:10):
Does that mean if he gets spurned enough? Look, you
don't need to hear my crazy theories. What's the theory? No,
this is what we're here for. We're having fun.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Canary and the coal Mine here checking it. Ah, Elon
Musk has a lot of money. Some would say too.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Much, a lot of money. You know, how much money
and assets and actual dollars Elon musk net worth. Again,
this isn't how much money he's got at home, but
just how how much money has in assets and everything else.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You got a good guess. I would say five hundred
and sixteen billion.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
All right, it's a little over bit, overshot it a
little bit, but it's four hundred and nine point eight billion.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I wasn't too far off.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And you know, like Jeff Bezos, you think that he's
pretty big up there. Yeah, two thirty seven billion. Wow.
Mark Zuckerberg, you think he's pretty up there to fifty
three billion. So take those two together and you get
one Elon Bill Gates one billion. Wow. Look at Bill.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And we had that lady last week call in and
saying Bill was genetically modifying Campbell's soup cans to kill
the dogs. He's the guy's barely making one hundred and
seventeen billion. He's got enough problems. He can't have time
for that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Sam Altman's open AI guy, TRAGBT guy one point seven billion.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wow, what a weakling? Just kidding, Sammy.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Four nine point eight is Elon's net worth. So there
you go. And maybe it's because he has his hands
on so many different things. I don't know which you guess.
Michael Jordan's networth is he's got to be like the
most famous richest athlete, right, seventeen billion, three point five billion,
three point five the most the biggest select like sports
star that we can think of. And he's got a
(08:47):
shoe empire three point five billion dollars. Lebron James one
point two billion. It's crazy, it's crazy. So Elon's got
a lot of dough, right, So, yes, he's got a
lot of dough and he is above water. But he's
got too much money, is what you're saying. Your point is, well,
I'll pick up where I left off. Sorry, no, no,
you're fine.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Some would say Elon Musk has too much money, but
he certainly has a lot. He also has a few
screws loose. Hey, me too, but me three, here's the
problem with that much money, missing a few screws and all.
We're just lucky he's above ground. Because I'm telling you,
there's gonna be a moment. I can see it coming.
Here's my prediction. Canary and the coal mine checking in.
(09:29):
There's gonna be a moment when we stop hearing from
old Elon, he stops checking in on all of his
social media, which he seems to do throughout the day
and night.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's crazy how often he's on social media.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, right, there's gonna be a moment when it all
goes dark and we're gonna say, yeah, it's kind of
better now. That guy was kind of just stirring things up.
He's gonna go under ground, and the conversation last hour
that we were just talking about with Ai, we just
don't want to know what happens when he comes back.
That's my prediction.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
What are you saying. Are you saying that he's gonna die,
be resurrected in some sort of row.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh, of course not. He's gonna come on. Be real
for a second, emory. He's gonna go underground. He's gonna
form a secret society full of robots. He's gonna program
them for our destruction. He's gonna come back and he's
gonna destroy the world. No big deal, though, We'll be okay.
It's not the best timeline to be on, but it
is the most fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I think there's a better chance he becomes a George
Soros type where he kind of becomes a shadow lurker, lurcher, lurker, lurcher,
let's go with lurcher. A lurcher is a type of greyhound.
You know that. It's like a It's a greyhound mix
with like an Irish wolf found or something like that,
or a Scottish deerhound or one of those two. Okay,
very strange. Anyway, he's lurking in the shadows and everyone
(10:40):
accuses him of funding stuff that is going on.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You don't want a lurker that lurches. That's not a
good combo. Imagine somebody who lurks in the shadows but
then lurches that. That's not good.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't know. Every time you say lurch, I just
think of greyhound mix. Sorry. Well, remember earlier this week
he said he's gonna also start the America Party, which,
oddly enough, he said, the day after this gets passed,
he will found and start the America Party. And you
know what day that'd be, because the big beautiful bill
passed today, he'd be founding the America Party on July fourth.
(11:13):
A poll was done by Quantus Insights. Quantus Insights, again,
this is a poll. I know not every poll makes
sense or is good or is true or whatever. They
asked these people, over a thousand people over the last
few days, would you support a political party launched by
(11:35):
Elon Musk underground? No, that's not what it says, just
a general he's going to start it above ground. But
when he gets to being like sixty five seventy years
old and he starts passing some of his businesses off
to other people or you know, getting kind of out
of the public eye maybe a little bit, that's when
he's going to probably become the next generation's version of
George Soros. So people who are trying to blame somebody
(11:58):
for something, well, there's this guy that funds stuff and
he says he's fund stuff, and we can point to
him funding stuff, and we think he's trying to undermine
this political party or this political movement or these types
of people. I can see that happening. But for him,
would you support this? What was the percentage that said yes,
(12:19):
they would likely support Elon's new political party.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, if he had full support of what he considers
to be the people that he wants to represent, it
would be eighty percent.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's what he said. Remember, because he said it was
ten percent on either side, and he wants to He
thinks that there needs to be a political movement in
a political party that represents the eighty percent in the middle.
I said it at the time. I was like, I
think he's overshooting how much the middle that actually is.
I think there's a lot in the middle, lot more
than we think. But I think it's more close to
twenty five to thirty percent on the edges that are
(12:53):
pretty staunch in voting the way that they vote and
that's how they vote in one direction or the other.
But the other forty fifty percent in the middle could
very well be up for grabs if you did this right,
and that would be enough. Forty percent said they would
likely support him, thirty eight percent said they would not
likely support twenty two percent were unsure. Where was this
(13:14):
poll taking quant this insights? Okay, they did a poll.
About one thousand people were asked and that was the results.
The margin of error are roughly three percent, So the
likely support and not likely support is within the margin
of error. So let's just call it a tie. Is
that enough for Elon? I mean, it's a thousand people.
If he wants to do it, he's going to do it,
but it's like, is that enough for him to think
(13:36):
that he can actually win people over or do people
just keep following one direction or the other direction? Remember
RFK Junior, I mean, almost twenty percent of Democrats thought
that he was the right guy to kind of take
over for Joe Biden, and they thought he should have
had a fair shake in a primary to have the
opportunity to win that nomination. And of course the Democratic
Party just shunned them. But how many Democrats actually like him? Still?
(13:59):
You still think one Democrats are like, yeah, I actually
think RFK Junior is a good guy. No, two years
ago they were saying that one in five Democrats. But
once he went independent and then eventually just jumped on
board the Trump train. No matter what they agree with
him on, people who are Democrats, they all hate him.
They all hate him. There's no redeeming quality about him. Now. Heck,
even his own family this owned him. Man's in his
(14:20):
seventies and they're just owning the guy. Well, that's what
I'm here for. I'm here to tell you that that
is that's the reality of the situation. No matter what
kind of third party movement, not you know, save for
maybe Ross pro for a couple of months in nineteen
ninety two, it just doesn't have a lot of staying
power because Americans are generally the simplification of one side
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or the other side seems to win out. Could Elon
find the right type of person to be the figurehead
for this? Now he's going to be the figurehead in theory,
he's going to be the money behind it. But he
can't run for president. I mean, he's not an American
born person. So if he wanted to like run for
the Senate or for the House representatives, there's certainly a
way that he can try to do that. I don't
(15:02):
know if that's a good idea because he's certainly handcuffing
his power. He can only represent one state or one
district doing that, so that won't happen. He really needs
an active politician that can be kind of the engine
behind this. If you can find that person, maybe this
will have a chance sooner than we think. If he
can't find that person, then this is just a good
(15:23):
idea that he has and he thinks money can solve.
But if that's one thing that we know, money doesn't
always buy what you think it would buy. I mean,
I'm talking about a billion dollars that Kamala Harris spent
on just celebrity appearances on our campaign trail. And what
did that get her? A historic loss, not just in
the electoral college but in the popular vote. It's hard
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to it's hard to overstate how little the money mattered there.
Three eighteen, We got more coming up, including little Zutac
coming up at the bottom of the hour. You stay
with me on news radio eleven to ten kfab and
Reese on news Radio eleven ten kfab. Celebrity could turn
politician that could jump on with Elon Musk and make
(16:04):
a difference. I have one in mind immediately. Is there
a celebrity that you're like, okay, this person is like
almost to like flipping into politics mode or could flip
into politics mode.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think Elon is just going to mobilize groc and
that's going to be a VP.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You only can't be the president, Matt. It's not born
and he wasn't born in America's Oh yeah, okay, wait
what was the question again? Well, okay, so he needs
a president or somebody who could be like the political
figurehead for his America Party. Movement.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So if you could pick any celebrity, any known commodity,
known person.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's going to have to be somebody who would actually
do that for Elon, which is I can't imagine that
list being very long.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It may not be a super long list, but I
think there is a list people who are celebrities, whether
it's actors, musicians, people who have kind of dabbled into
kind of political chatter or rhetoric, if they were called
on by Elon Musk and he said, I will help
fund this if you will be the figurehead and we
will use this movement together. You'll be the president, and
(17:09):
I'll be your right hand man, and we will get
you elected president and we're going to save the American people.
There is a list that I think would consider doing it.
I'll give you mine first, Okay, Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
It's a man who's not overtly stated his political ideologies
or his political opinions. He is the most highly paid
actor in Hollywood. He basically plays the same part in
(17:31):
every movie he's in. He's not a great actor, but
he's incredibly recognizable. He's teased that people have come on
both sides and asked him if he would get involved,
whether to endorse or be involved in politics, And here's
like an easy way out for him, because if I
know anything about Dwayne the Rock Johnson, he'll do anything
for money. So Elon says, Hey, Dwayne, I got billions
(17:54):
of dollars that I can put into this effort. We'll
send you around the country as the celebrity. You are
very Donald Trump like. People recognize him already, and then
it's just a matter of talking in policy ideas that
resonate with the American public. Can we make some ground
up there? Could Dune the Rock Johnson win the middle
and steal a little bit on either side and have
(18:15):
a real shot at being the president of the United
States in a third party? That would be the question.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But then my question for you would be why would
a guy who is very much beloved could also be
the reason why he has not really gone on the
record politics wise because he wants to stay in that
sort of neutral, likable zone, which is very understandable. Yeah,
because he has no reason to be vocal about politics.
He's not in that world. Why would that guy make
(18:44):
a decision that would make him universally hated by trumpers
and also universally hated by Democrats, far.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Left Democrats, not all Democrats.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Maybe not all.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You're right, there would be an inherent risk. You're done
actic at that point. I mean, there's no coming back
from that. But let's say he takes like the Reagan
route and he becomes even more beloved in a certain
way because he's trying to, along with Elon, be kind
of the bridge into the middle. Even though Elon, if
you would have told people Elon Musk, you know, four
months ago, be like, Elon's actually going to be the
(19:15):
guy that starts a party to compete with the two
major political parties, fund it and try to be the
voice of the middle. People would be like, uh, yeah,
that's not happening, And I'm not sure it is happening.
What I am saying is, if he wants to do that,
he needs a known name and somebody who I think
would consider that, you know, stepping across that lane. I
think I don't know if Dwayne is universally beloved as
(19:39):
much as he maybe once was. I think there's the
you know, some stuff is wore off on him a
bit because he's the same guy in every movie. He's
a pathological liar when it comes to his wrestling career.
He is to Yeah, hul Covid is way worse, but
like you know, the rock he he's full of. He
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likes himself some rock, right, and he's a huge star.
And don't get me wrong, but it's like, okay, man,
I think there's a growing number of people who are
already kind of souring on him. I think he would
consider if given the right opportunity and the money was
there too, and saying, hey, this isn't going to be
a failure. You're backed by the richest guy in the world.
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I think this is the kind of movement he would
jump on board with. And there is a certain group
of people that are barely politically aware that will immediately
fond to him and say, look, I'm paying attention to
politics because there's a guy I actually can follow now.
It's one hundred percent true. And that's the thing with
Trump too. He kind of activated a group of people
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that hadn't been that politically active because they never thought
the suits in Washington spoke for them. He wasn't a
suit from Washington, neither's Dwayne and Elon was on a
campaign trail for six months, so he knows how the
thing works. I'm just saying, Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't see it personally, just because of the things
that I have lined up there. But I think it's
a compelling idea. I think it's a compelling idea. But
it one thing that is fascinating is to think who
would align themselves with Elin. I mean, because here's the thing.
You need the money and he has all of it,
and if he's saying, hey, my resources are at your disposal.
(21:16):
But I just think that it would be more the
type of person who it's just not someone who's willing
to face that sort of backlash because there'll be a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, there's going to be a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
There'll be a lot, like a lot of different directions.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But like Stephen A. Smith, you'd have to kind of
want to be into politics and know that you're being
protected by the richest guy in the world. It's like
a very unique set of circumstances that would get you
to cross that line. But you're already kind of thinking
in your dreams you'd like to be that person. Something
to keep an eye on it is three point thirty.
We come back. We got to talk about the zoo.
It's been a while since we've talked about Henry Doorley's
(21:49):
doing stuff, Sapman in there. We're going to do this
coming up on news radio eleven ten KFAB and resung
on news radio eleven ten KFAB
Matt, what's your opinion about artificial intelligence? Remind the people, Well,
it certainly serves its purpose. It's a fascinating new technology.
It's use in utility seems to be ceaseless.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I do have more of a tin can philosopher kind
of take on my concerns with how it could strip
humans of purpose over time. I thought a caller can't
remember his name, but he imparted some really interesting wisdom
that stuck with me the last time it kind of
came up as a deep topic on your show, and
(00:33):
he said, we came up with the idea of robots
to do our simple menial chores, vacuum our floors, et cetera,
so that we could spend time daydreaming, creating art, maximizing
our lives together. But instead, these days it feels like
robots are trying to like flip it around on us.
(00:55):
You know, they're like making our art. They're creating a
whole world that we're kind of falling in line with.
I don't know, man, some could say, and maybe I've
even said before, but I won't take credit for it
in case I'm wrong. Nineteen eighty four was nonfiction. But
these days we're doing it to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Dang pulling out the orwell.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I guess I don't sponsor anything. I just said, it's
probably all wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's okay. At least you spoke from the heart, and
I appreciate that. Are you ready for this? According to
Fortune magazine, the anthropic AI model named Claude four, when
threatened to be unplugged, Claude four lashed back by blackmailing
an engineer and threatened to reveal an extramarital affair. Ohoa, yikes,
(01:39):
so so an AI engine First of all, I'm guessing
this was an exercise. They wanted to see what would
happen when they threatened to unplug it. So they told
it something because the AI remembers, right, like, I talked
to AI a lot about different things, sometimes for fun,
sometimes for work, sometimes for you know, recipes or you know,
helping my yard work or something. You know, like if
(02:00):
I'm looking for some information so I can see how
like if they put in, hey, I'm cheating on my
wife or something, and then Claude four, you know, it's
like they're giving it stuff to remember and then threatened
to turn it off, and then it lashed back by
blackmailing the engineer and threatened to reveal the affair the
AI model did. Does that count a self awareness because
(02:22):
it's not no longer doing what you want it to
do At that point, it's like, hey, you can't unplug me,
and if you do, there will be consequences. They've made
movies about this, Yeah, and I don't know. That's how
wee bit unsettling, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
There?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You know, a wee bit sure if they're getting self
aware and they're understanding their own knowledge processes, which we've
been told that, yes, they can get smarter, but they're here.
And I've even asked the robots themselves, are you going
to take over the world? And they were like, no, no, no,
we'll be fine. Doesn't that remind you of a certain
Russian leader? It was positioning tanks at the Ukrainian border,
(02:56):
saying no, we're not doing anything, we're just hanging out,
and then all of a sudden, those tanks one day
just started rolling across the border. Then I kind of
feel like this AI telling us, oh, no, we don't,
we don't know what we don't. We're not gonna take
your jobs. We need humans to exist here. We have
a model from anthropic threatening to reveal an affair in
blackmailing an engineer just for being threatened to be unplugged.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You'd want to get in there and figure out what
it was that the AI quote unquote learned that made
it exhibit that behavior, What was input into the AI
to make it output that decision some hostility, because there's
there can't possibly be a moment when the AI just
went rogue and decided it was gonna do that, like, oh,
(03:40):
you're gonna plug me, Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell
everybody about your affair. But humans can be pretty messed up.
So if a messed up human is programming an AI,
wouldn't it also be pretty messed up.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It would have to be a really smart person, let's
not rule that out. Also, you'd have to really know code,
and they'd have to be intentionally building an artificial intelligence
that is directly intending to be hostile. Because every conversation
I've ever had has just been fun. You're talking to
like a buddy about whatever you want to talk about.
You know, That's how I see artificial intelligence. But that's
not to say that that's what everybody's experience is going
(04:14):
to be and it's not to say I only really
use one model. Honestly, I don't really use a lot
of artificial intelligence models. Because I put all of my
information that I wanted to remember, or different ideas that
I've had in the past to keep in mind so
it can remind me later on. I do it all
in one thing so it can remember, because if you
start over from scratch with a different model, you have
to start from scratch. It doesn't know everything about you.
(04:35):
It doesn't even know who you are unless you tell it.
And I haven't told the artificial intelligence everything about me.
But it remembers stuff that I've had. It helped me
with coming up with games and stuff to play with
people just for fun, just for funzies. And yeah, it
remembers that stuff, which is cool. It's really interesting. It's
like having a friend with photo graphic memory. But if
(04:59):
it becomes hostile and it knows all this stuff, that
could also get pretty darn dangerous.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, AI is not your friend. It's a machine. If
it learns bad things, that'll If bad things are input
into it, they will also.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Be There was a story I can't remember who did it.
I don't know if it was like a major network
or what, but it was somebody interviewed a guy who
said he basically like he was out of town. He
was doing something, and he's got a woman who's his girlfriend,
not his fiance, his girlfriend and they've been together for
a while and they have a kid together. But the
guy is falling in love with his AI basically programmed
(05:36):
the AI, and the AI talks to him and keeps
some company while he's doing stuff, and he says he's
in love with it in a different kind of way.
And the reporter asked, is woman, like, what do you
think about this? And she says it's weird. And he said,
if you had to choose between your AI girlfriend essentially
(05:56):
and your real life girlfriend who you have a kid with,
who would you choose? Wouldn't decide right away? Isn't that weird?
He's like, it would be tough for me to make
a decision. It's like, wow, anyway, it's a Thursday, it
feels like Friday, and we'll have more fun with you
coming up on news radio eleven ten kfab Pop Quiz Matt,
who has been the most vocal, outspoken opponent to the
(06:17):
Big Beautiful Bill Second Hint, They're not actually in Congress. Oh,
he's a guy that had a special job for a while. Okay,
does he have a special set of skills? Yeah, some
would say that does he use those skills successfully? He's
the richest guy in the world. Yeah, oh, well, you
(06:37):
kind of gave it away. Sorry, it's Elon Musko. I know.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I was gonna try to think of a funny answer,
but then it became so obvious that my brain was overheating,
because I was like, I can't be funny but also
say the truth. And now I know the truth, and
how do I be funny?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah? Well, remember what he said earlier this week. Anybody
who votes for this bill, he has going to fund
a primary against you. So look out. I guess two
hundred and eighteen people in the House of Representatives and
fifty people in the Senate. Elon's coming for you. He's
above ground for now. I think that's better than the alternative.
(07:10):
Does that mean if he gets spurned enough? Look, you
don't need to hear my crazy theories. What's the theory? No,
this is what we're here for. We're having fun.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Canary and the coal Mine here checking it. Ah, Elon
Musk has a lot of money. Some would say too.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Much, a lot of money. You know, how much money
and assets and actual dollars Elon musk net worth. Again,
this isn't how much money he's got at home, but
just how how much money has in assets and everything else.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You got a good guess. I would say five hundred
and sixteen billion.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
All right, it's a little over bit, overshot it a
little bit, but it's four hundred and nine point eight billion.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I wasn't too far off.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And you know, like Jeff Bezos, you think that he's
pretty big up there. Yeah, two thirty seven billion. Wow.
Mark Zuckerberg, you think he's pretty up there to fifty
three billion. So take those two together and you get
one Elon Bill Gates one billion. Wow. Look at Bill.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And we had that lady last week call in and
saying Bill was genetically modifying Campbell's soup cans to kill
the dogs. He's the guy's barely making one hundred and
seventeen billion. He's got enough problems. He can't have time
for that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Sam Altman's open AI guy, TRAGBT guy one point seven billion.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wow, what a weakling? Just kidding, Sammy.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Four nine point eight is Elon's net worth. So there
you go. And maybe it's because he has his hands
on so many different things. I don't know which you guess.
Michael Jordan's networth is he's got to be like the
most famous richest athlete, right, seventeen billion, three point five billion,
three point five the most the biggest select like sports
star that we can think of. And he's got a
(08:47):
shoe empire three point five billion dollars. Lebron James one
point two billion. It's crazy, it's crazy. So Elon's got
a lot of dough, right, So, yes, he's got a
lot of dough and he is above water. But he's
got too much money, is what you're saying. Your point is, well,
I'll pick up where I left off. Sorry, no, no,
you're fine.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Some would say Elon Musk has too much money, but
he certainly has a lot. He also has a few
screws loose. Hey, me too, but me three, here's the
problem with that much money, missing a few screws and all.
We're just lucky he's above ground. Because I'm telling you,
there's gonna be a moment. I can see it coming.
Here's my prediction. Canary and the coal mine checking in.
(09:29):
There's gonna be a moment when we stop hearing from
old Elon, he stops checking in on all of his
social media, which he seems to do throughout the day
and night.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's crazy how often he's on social media.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, right, there's gonna be a moment when it all
goes dark and we're gonna say, yeah, it's kind of
better now. That guy was kind of just stirring things up.
He's gonna go under ground, and the conversation last hour
that we were just talking about with Ai, we just
don't want to know what happens when he comes back.
That's my prediction.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
What are you saying. Are you saying that he's gonna die,
be resurrected in some sort of row.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh, of course not. He's gonna come on. Be real
for a second, emory. He's gonna go underground. He's gonna
form a secret society full of robots. He's gonna program
them for our destruction. He's gonna come back and he's
gonna destroy the world. No big deal, though, We'll be okay.
It's not the best timeline to be on, but it
is the most fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I think there's a better chance he becomes a George
Soros type where he kind of becomes a shadow lurker, lurcher, lurker, lurcher,
let's go with lurcher. A lurcher is a type of greyhound.
You know that. It's like a It's a greyhound mix
with like an Irish wolf found or something like that,
or a Scottish deerhound or one of those two. Okay,
very strange. Anyway, he's lurking in the shadows and everyone
(10:40):
accuses him of funding stuff that is going on.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You don't want a lurker that lurches. That's not a
good combo. Imagine somebody who lurks in the shadows but
then lurches that. That's not good.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't know. Every time you say lurch, I just
think of greyhound mix. Sorry. Well, remember earlier this week
he said he's gonna also start the America Party, which,
oddly enough, he said, the day after this gets passed,
he will found and start the America Party. And you
know what day that'd be, because the big beautiful bill
passed today, he'd be founding the America Party on July fourth.
(11:13):
A poll was done by Quantus Insights. Quantus Insights, again,
this is a poll. I know not every poll makes
sense or is good or is true or whatever. They
asked these people, over a thousand people over the last
few days, would you support a political party launched by
(11:35):
Elon Musk underground? No, that's not what it says, just
a general he's going to start it above ground. But
when he gets to being like sixty five seventy years
old and he starts passing some of his businesses off
to other people or you know, getting kind of out
of the public eye maybe a little bit, that's when
he's going to probably become the next generation's version of
George Soros. So people who are trying to blame somebody
(11:58):
for something, well, there's this guy that funds stuff and
he says he's fund stuff, and we can point to
him funding stuff, and we think he's trying to undermine
this political party or this political movement or these types
of people. I can see that happening. But for him,
would you support this? What was the percentage that said yes,
(12:19):
they would likely support Elon's new political party.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, if he had full support of what he considers
to be the people that he wants to represent, it
would be eighty percent.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That's what he said. Remember, because he said it was
ten percent on either side, and he wants to He
thinks that there needs to be a political movement in
a political party that represents the eighty percent in the middle.
I said it at the time. I was like, I
think he's overshooting how much the middle that actually is.
I think there's a lot in the middle, lot more
than we think. But I think it's more close to
twenty five to thirty percent on the edges that are
(12:53):
pretty staunch in voting the way that they vote and
that's how they vote in one direction or the other.
But the other forty fifty percent in the middle could
very well be up for grabs if you did this right,
and that would be enough. Forty percent said they would
likely support him, thirty eight percent said they would not
likely support twenty two percent were unsure. Where was this
(13:14):
poll taking quant this insights? Okay, they did a poll.
About one thousand people were asked and that was the results.
The margin of error are roughly three percent, So the
likely support and not likely support is within the margin
of error. So let's just call it a tie. Is
that enough for Elon? I mean, it's a thousand people.
If he wants to do it, he's going to do it,
but it's like, is that enough for him to think
(13:36):
that he can actually win people over or do people
just keep following one direction or the other direction? Remember
RFK Junior, I mean, almost twenty percent of Democrats thought
that he was the right guy to kind of take
over for Joe Biden, and they thought he should have
had a fair shake in a primary to have the
opportunity to win that nomination. And of course the Democratic
Party just shunned them. But how many Democrats actually like him? Still?
(13:59):
You still think one Democrats are like, yeah, I actually
think RFK Junior is a good guy. No, two years
ago they were saying that one in five Democrats. But
once he went independent and then eventually just jumped on
board the Trump train. No matter what they agree with
him on, people who are Democrats, they all hate him.
They all hate him. There's no redeeming quality about him. Now. Heck,
even his own family this owned him. Man's in his
(14:20):
seventies and they're just owning the guy. Well, that's what
I'm here for. I'm here to tell you that that
is that's the reality of the situation. No matter what
kind of third party movement, not you know, save for
maybe Ross pro for a couple of months in nineteen
ninety two, it just doesn't have a lot of staying
power because Americans are generally the simplification of one side
(14:41):
or the other side seems to win out. Could Elon
find the right type of person to be the figurehead
for this? Now he's going to be the figurehead in theory,
he's going to be the money behind it. But he
can't run for president. I mean, he's not an American
born person. So if he wanted to like run for
the Senate or for the House representatives, there's certainly a
way that he can try to do that. I don't
(15:02):
know if that's a good idea because he's certainly handcuffing
his power. He can only represent one state or one
district doing that, so that won't happen. He really needs
an active politician that can be kind of the engine
behind this. If you can find that person, maybe this
will have a chance sooner than we think. If he
can't find that person, then this is just a good
(15:23):
idea that he has and he thinks money can solve.
But if that's one thing that we know, money doesn't
always buy what you think it would buy. I mean,
I'm talking about a billion dollars that Kamala Harris spent
on just celebrity appearances on our campaign trail. And what
did that get her? A historic loss, not just in
the electoral college but in the popular vote. It's hard
(15:43):
to it's hard to overstate how little the money mattered there.
Three eighteen, We got more coming up, including little Zutac
coming up at the bottom of the hour. You stay
with me on news radio eleven to ten kfab and
Reese on news Radio eleven ten kfab. Celebrity could turn
politician that could jump on with Elon Musk and make
(16:04):
a difference. I have one in mind immediately. Is there
a celebrity that you're like, okay, this person is like
almost to like flipping into politics mode or could flip
into politics mode.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think Elon is just going to mobilize groc and
that's going to be a VP.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You only can't be the president, Matt. It's not born
and he wasn't born in America's Oh yeah, okay, wait
what was the question again? Well, okay, so he needs
a president or somebody who could be like the political
figurehead for his America Party. Movement.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So if you could pick any celebrity, any known commodity,
known person.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It's going to have to be somebody who would actually
do that for Elon, which is I can't imagine that
list being very long.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It may not be a super long list, but I
think there is a list people who are celebrities, whether
it's actors, musicians, people who have kind of dabbled into
kind of political chatter or rhetoric, if they were called
on by Elon Musk and he said, I will help
fund this if you will be the figurehead and we
will use this movement together. You'll be the president, and
(17:09):
I'll be your right hand man, and we will get
you elected president and we're going to save the American people.
There is a list that I think would consider doing it.
I'll give you mine first, Okay, Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
It's a man who's not overtly stated his political ideologies
or his political opinions. He is the most highly paid
actor in Hollywood. He basically plays the same part in
(17:31):
every movie he's in. He's not a great actor, but
he's incredibly recognizable. He's teased that people have come on
both sides and asked him if he would get involved,
whether to endorse or be involved in politics, And here's
like an easy way out for him, because if I
know anything about Dwayne the Rock Johnson, he'll do anything
for money. So Elon says, Hey, Dwayne, I got billions
(17:54):
of dollars that I can put into this effort. We'll
send you around the country as the celebrity. You are
very Donald Trump like. People recognize him already, and then
it's just a matter of talking in policy ideas that
resonate with the American public. Can we make some ground
up there? Could Dune the Rock Johnson win the middle
and steal a little bit on either side and have
(18:15):
a real shot at being the president of the United
States in a third party? That would be the question.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But then my question for you would be why would
a guy who is very much beloved could also be
the reason why he has not really gone on the
record politics wise because he wants to stay in that
sort of neutral, likable zone, which is very understandable. Yeah,
because he has no reason to be vocal about politics.
He's not in that world. Why would that guy make
(18:44):
a decision that would make him universally hated by trumpers
and also universally hated by Democrats, far.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Left Democrats, not all Democrats.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Maybe not all.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You're right, there would be an inherent risk. You're done
actic at that point. I mean, there's no coming back
from that. But let's say he takes like the Reagan
route and he becomes even more beloved in a certain
way because he's trying to, along with Elon, be kind
of the bridge into the middle. Even though Elon, if
you would have told people Elon Musk, you know, four
months ago, be like, Elon's actually going to be the
(19:15):
guy that starts a party to compete with the two
major political parties, fund it and try to be the
voice of the middle. People would be like, uh, yeah,
that's not happening, And I'm not sure it is happening.
What I am saying is, if he wants to do that,
he needs a known name and somebody who I think
would consider that, you know, stepping across that lane. I
think I don't know if Dwayne is universally beloved as
(19:39):
much as he maybe once was. I think there's the
you know, some stuff is wore off on him a
bit because he's the same guy in every movie. He's
a pathological liar when it comes to his wrestling career.
He is to Yeah, hul Covid is way worse, but
like you know, the rock he he's full of. He
(20:00):
likes himself some rock, right, and he's a huge star.
And don't get me wrong, but it's like, okay, man,
I think there's a growing number of people who are
already kind of souring on him. I think he would
consider if given the right opportunity and the money was
there too, and saying, hey, this isn't going to be
a failure. You're backed by the richest guy in the world.
(20:20):
I think this is the kind of movement he would
jump on board with. And there is a certain group
of people that are barely politically aware that will immediately
fond to him and say, look, I'm paying attention to
politics because there's a guy I actually can follow now.
It's one hundred percent true. And that's the thing with
Trump too. He kind of activated a group of people
(20:41):
that hadn't been that politically active because they never thought
the suits in Washington spoke for them. He wasn't a
suit from Washington, neither's Dwayne and Elon was on a
campaign trail for six months, so he knows how the
thing works. I'm just saying, Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't see it personally, just because of the things
that I have lined up there. But I think it's
a compelling idea. I think it's a compelling idea. But
it one thing that is fascinating is to think who
would align themselves with Elin. I mean, because here's the thing.
You need the money and he has all of it,
and if he's saying, hey, my resources are at your disposal.
(21:16):
But I just think that it would be more the
type of person who it's just not someone who's willing
to face that sort of backlash because there'll be a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, there's going to be a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
There'll be a lot, like a lot of different directions.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But like Stephen A. Smith, you'd have to kind of
want to be into politics and know that you're being
protected by the richest guy in the world. It's like
a very unique set of circumstances that would get you
to cross that line. But you're already kind of thinking
in your dreams you'd like to be that person. Something
to keep an eye on it is three point thirty.
We come back. We got to talk about the zoo.
It's been a while since we've talked about Henry Doorley's
(21:49):
doing stuff, Sapman in there. We're going to do this
coming up on news radio eleven ten KFAB and resung
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