Is China Friend or Foe?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, let me ask all of you double barreled question.
Is China, in your view the number one geopolitical adversary
that the United States faces? I understand the Mullahs in
Tehran if they get a nuclear bomb, could I mean

(00:21):
the damage the danger that they pose, no question. And
you know, Russia is Russia. There's a potential for World
War three over Ukraine. So you know, I'm not saying
there aren't problems elsewhere in the world. North Korea has
nuclear weapons. With Kim Jong un, little rocketman, he's unstable,

(00:41):
he's unpredictable. Who knows what he may do in the future.
So we have serious challenges that we face, no question.
But to me, it's you may agree or disagree. The
Red China, as it's called Communist China, the party in particular,
the leadership has now just replaced the Soviet Union, and

(01:06):
we are now in a new Cold War, and so
to me, we should start treating the Communist Chinese regime
as we did the old Soviet Union. Contain them, treat
them as enemies and adversaries, and certainly not invite the

(01:29):
children of their elites to come into our universities or
work at our most sensitive biolabs or work in some
of our most important or prestigious companies or corporations, because
we know they're there to spy and to steal our
technology and our research and development? Am I wrong? Six

(01:54):
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight? And
if they are our number one enemy slash adversary? Should
we sell Taiwan a twelve billion dollar weapons package that
Congress has appropriated, that the Taiwanese desperately want, but that

(02:18):
Ji Jinping told Trump, don't do it. You start arming Taiwan.
It will be a red line, and you are crossing
our red line. And Trump now has said he's not
giving an answer either yes or no. He hasn't made
a final decision yet on whether he will sell the

(02:38):
weapons package to or send the weapons package to Taiwan.
Should we thou arm the Taiwanese to the teeth? I
say yes? What say you? Six one seven two six
six sixty eight sixty eight is the number in Mississippi?

(03:02):
Thanks for holding, Dame, and welcome Jeff.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Not only should they not send them? I agree with
you one hundred percent on thousand percent, they shouldn't send
six six would be too many, let alone six hundred thousand.
This is I don't know, Jeff, You and I can
see this. The common man can see this what they're
doing by sending these and these are the best of
the best, brightest students they can send, so they're very intelligent.

(03:30):
They can become spies, they can absorb, they can do
anything the Communist Party wants them to do. Okay for
sending them over here. Those people will be our future enemies,
and they were the ones that will take down this
country because they're learning from us. They can see inside
our minds because they know they've been here. They've been

(03:51):
to the finest universities in America. This is ridiculous. And
I'll tell you something. I was in Naples. I left there.
The reason I left is I was working at the
Naples brand new, beautiful Naples four season hotel just opened up.
I was working there three months. Okay, I'm seventy three
years old. They fired me to set us too old.

(04:13):
Guess who they hired at twenty two year old for
an HB one student. Okay, and all the management Chinese, Mexican, Indian,
not Americans. They're taking our jobs. They're taking great spots
from the university This is ridiculous. I don't know why

(04:33):
President Trump makes such brilliant moves and then he makes
such stupid moves. I just don't understand them sometimes. And
this is one of the dumbest moves. Okay, you all
you're doing is giving the number one enemy. Okay, and
I say enemy. They walk around and look at the places.

(04:53):
But see you and I, we are tax paying, hardworking people.
We're not. They're living in the Ivory Tower, the gig
Ping lives in, President Trump lives in. They don't see
what's happening to the common man paying the taxes, working
is you know what off? This is ridiculous. Okay, why
don't you give him some more gifts? This doesn't make sense.

(05:18):
I don't know what's wrong with President Trump to allow
the Chinese to sent over six hundred of the brilliant,
the finest, and they turn them into the most hardcore communists,
spies whatever they want to.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh, you're dead on and look, I think you make
a brilliant point. Okay. So I started the show saying,
on two issues now MAGA is in open rebellion. One
of them, obviously, the five to six hundred thousand student
visas to Chinese students that President Trump now says he

(05:52):
will grant so that they can attend some of our
elite universities and colleges. The second issue is the issue
of buying farmland. There is a bill in Congress, frankly
pushed initially by Trump. This was maybe a year ago,

(06:13):
a year and a half ago, overwhelming support not just
among Trump voters and Republicans, but among independents and even
some Democrats to ban Chinese firms, companies, individuals tied to

(06:33):
the CCP from buying farmland, and especially what we've seen
now under Biden, this phenomenon took place where they're buying
precious farmland right near military installations secret or i would
say secret but sensitive US military installations here in the

(06:57):
United States, and they are buying a ton of farm
land right next to these installations. It's obvious they want
to control our food supply and they want a spy
It's like the spy balloon, if you remember that under
Biden and Biden just enabled the spy balloon to just

(07:17):
hover over our military bases, some of them with our
producing our most sensitive drone technology, and that thing just
was above hovering for days, just like a vacuum cleaner,
sucking up all that information, and then they just kept
going and going, base after base after base. Well, many

(07:40):
of those bases are surrounded by world that they're in
rural areas. They're surrounded by agricultural land, farmland that the
Chinese are paying top top dollar to buy. The Republicans
have a bill, in fact, they were about to introduce

(08:01):
it it was going to pass, that would ban Chinese
company CCP linked individuals from being allowed to buy farmland
anywhere in the United States and especially near military bases
or sensitive military installations. President Trump now has done a
complete one eighty. He has told the Republicans to pull

(08:25):
back the bill, that he will not support it, and
if they do pass it, he will not sign it.
He was asked by Sean Hannity, why why again? It
was something that Ji Jinping insisted on for them to
have this deal about buying our oil, selling our soybeans,

(08:48):
and purchasing about two hundred Boeing airplanes and to start
to open up the China market. She said, you have
to open up your farmland to us. You have to
allow us to continue to buy it. Trump now has
said yes, roll cut to Mike.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I would assume I'm in Beijing if I wanted to
buy property near one of their military installations.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I don't think, President, I don't look. It's not that
I love it.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
You want to see farm prices drop, you want to
see farmers lose a.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Lot of money.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Just take that out of the market. But they've had
a lot of land for a long time. Obama did
nothing about it. They bought a lot of it during
the Obama administration. He did nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
And so basically he said, there's not much I can do.
They've already bought a lot of the land. And to
protect the farmers because there as I say, they pay
pop pop pop dollar. I mean, how do I say this?
They're they're paying their pay saying for a land that's overpriced,

(10:02):
that's clearly overpriced. Nobody else would pay that kind of money,
but the Chinese are. And so the question you have
to ask yourself is why, I mean, why why would
they do that? Who pays more than what the market
calls for? And I think it's obvious, so a a

(10:24):
choke hold on our food supply, and I think they're
obviously spying. And so for them, this is they're thinking
down the road. This is long term. We're thinking money
now in my pocket. We think short term. They think
long term. And again remember what I said earlier. They
use our greed against us. That's our Achilles heel. Okay,

(10:48):
every country has the sin, like individuals. We're all. No
one's perfect. To me, America's sin, it's deadly. Sin is greed.
I mean, man, we will sell, you know, our parts
of our country for the you know, on the altar
of you know, we will sell so much on the
altar of the almighty buck. So President Trump is saying, look,

(11:13):
it's going to kill the farmers. It's going to crash
the market prices. Farmers are going to lose potentially a
lot of money because if you take the Chinese out
of the market, you know, no one's going to be
paying that kind of money for farmland. And so he says,
I don't like it, but the Chinese insist on it.
This was already done first under Obama, now under Biden.

(11:37):
In other words, what's done is done, and so let
them just continue. I disagree. Ban it at a minimum,
you stop the damage, and then I would say, start
buying back the land. I say, I'm sorry, None no, no, no, no, no.

(12:01):
You're spying on our military basis. That's espionage. It's a
threat to our national security, and on national security grounds,
we are going to force you to sell us back
the land. We'll pay you top dollar. You want to
be fair about it. You're not gonna lose. You're not
gonna lose a penny on this. But that agricultural land

(12:23):
is coming back, and it's gonna be owned by Americans,
even if it means being owned by the government. I
don't care as long as it's not owned by the CCP.
And let me just make one last point, and then
I want to go right back to the blazing lines
six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight.

(12:44):
I don't know what's more precious than food. I guess water,
your food supply chain, your food supply is everything. Why
would we be selling Look, we're not selling it to

(13:05):
Canada or Canadians, you know, or Mexicans or I don't know,
Dutch investors or you know, I don't know, you know,
Brazilians or Japanese or whatever. We're not okay, we're friends,
we're allies. That's something different. Even then, I'm uneasy about it.

(13:29):
But still okay, their allies. They're friends to our number
one enemy and adversary. And again what we saw during COVID,
how we had outsourced so much of our supply chains
that when a pandemic happened, we were reliant upon China

(13:53):
for everything, for medicines, medications, pharmaceuticals, claws, masks, you name it,
the most basic equipment. Everything was being made in China
or they had control over. Now we're going to start
to give them complete control and access over our food,

(14:16):
our wheat, our corn, some of the most fertile land
in the United States. No no, no, no, no no
no no, no, no no no, I'm sorry. This is
now becoming almost suicide. That's them with their boot on

(14:38):
our neck, which they can crush anytime they want. You could.
They can turn off the food supply like this, like this,
the snap of a finger. I don't think you should
allow any foreign power to buy up our food, our
food supply. Okay, if it's an ally, as I Sai said,

(15:00):
you know, Canadians, Swedes, the Dutch, the Japanese, whatever, Brazilians,
that's okay, all right, that's a manageable risk. But China,
no way, no, way. And again, notice the contradiction and
the hypocrisy, the double standard. Trump himself admitted it. Forget farmland.

(15:26):
Can you buy property in China outright? Well, especially property
near a military installation? No way, No, Trump even says it. No,
they won't let you. They will, of course they'd be
crazy at you. And I get it. Obama did it.
But why do we have to do it just because

(15:50):
the dear leader sold us out and Biden sold us out?
Why do we have to continue to sell ourselves out?
And so I'm a big net on allowing China to
continue to buy up our farmland, A big net, big net,
big no. And now you know why. These are the

(16:15):
two issues over the weekend, last seventy two hours that
has MAGA in an absolute uproar, and they're asking Trump,
they're practically pleading with him. Six one seven two six
six sixty eight sixty eight is the number? All right?
So let me throw, as I like to say, this
log on the fire. Should the United States continue to

(16:39):
allow China to buy up our farmland, especially near sensitive
military installations and bases? Trump now says he doesn't like it,
but the answer is yes, he will allow it to
continue I disagree with the president. Where do you stand?

(17:01):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
Lee and Waltham. Thanks for holding Lee, and welcome.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I once again have my little list in front of me.
I've been listening well, I listen on a regular basis,
but this morning, I'd like to comment on a couple
of things. First of all, I agree with you in
disagreeing with presidents regarding a couple of things. The land
purchase should have been negotiated as a land rental with

(17:39):
both the US and China benefiting from the crops. That
should be the first thing. That is the first thing
on my list. Secondly, you asked about the Chinese being
a threat. They are, and you mentioned Russia and Iran.
They are stealth threat to our country. And I'll give

(18:03):
you an example. Do you recall a few years ago
when the MIT medical students and another occasion where the
Harvard medical students tried to get out of the country
some sort of some sort of thing that they were

(18:27):
working on, and I think it was I think it
had something to do with viruses. It was a medical thing.
They were trying to get samples out of the country.
And do you recall the professor who we never heard
anything about after that the professor was arrested. I don't

(18:51):
recall anything regarding the outcome of a court case with him.
We're hanging in like never never land with getting information
from our own government and following up. And this would
be the news media. What's wrong with them not following

(19:11):
up with those two very important instances that happened separately
years apart and included a professor. No one should be
allowed from China to have a visa, a student visa.
It should be an exchange program. It should be, you know,

(19:32):
a student exchange program. We should exchange one student from
the US for student from China, and they need to
be vetted. I highly doubt that we are vetting students
from China, as given by example of what happened and

(19:53):
the love.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Going, oh yeah, I promise, I'll let you finish. But
I love it. I love it, love it, love it,
love it on every point. I love it. An exchange program,
I'm all for it. Vet the Chinese students. We don't
vet them. That's a big problem. And I remember those
two cases, both MIT and Havid. Okay, Harvard, and you're right.

(20:18):
One of the two, a professor was involved, and these
were pathogens viruses that they were working on, and they
tried to smuggle it out. These were Chinese students here
on a visa student visa, and they tried to smuggle
it out of the United States back to China because
they were like, ooh, this is really advanced, cutting edge stuff.

(20:40):
We want to get it out of the hands of
the Americans and put it back into the hands of
the CCP. And look, Ali, I promise I'll let you finish.
There are videos now that have come out, don't even
take my word for it, where leading Chinese Communist Party officials,

(21:00):
including Jijinping, but his deputy there you know what they
would consider their secretary of state, our version of our
secretary of state, their secretary of defense, their spy chief.
Where they openly brag in front of the Communist Party officials,

(21:23):
sometimes even at their top universities, how they owned Joe Biden,
they admit it, how most of Congress is already theirs,
How the media, how much of our media they've already
bought up and owned, how they bought up so many

(21:43):
think tanks in Washington, DC. How they're already buying up
so much of Hollywood in our entertainment, how they're infiltrating
our universities, how much they steal from our leading companies
and corporations. And to me, I'll never forget this. There
was maybe three four hundred students in a classroom and

(22:06):
I believe it was the spy chief that was giving
like a lecture or whatever, a one hour lecture on
the rivalry between the United States and China. And he said,
let me tell you the dirty secret about the Americans.
And the room you couldn't hear a pin drop, and
this is what he said. Everyone is for sale. And

(22:28):
the crowd they were like maybe nineteen twenty twenty one
year old kids. Again, all of them children of CCP officials. Okay,
all of them. They're all members of the Communist Party.
Their parents are Communist elites. They started laughing and clapping
like a and they were like clapping as if like

(22:51):
we're superior, Like we're not for sale. We have values,
we have integrity, we have real patriotism. You can't buy
us off. We're the Han, We're the Communist Han Chinese.
But these Americans, without saying it dis crudely, this part
I'm adding, but he's basically saying, there are a bunch

(23:13):
of prostitutes. They're a bunch of whores that'd sell their
grandmother for a nickel. But he just said, he goes,
everyone is for sale. He was describing their strategy of
as you put it, stealth, you know, a stealth infiltration,
and he says, we're infiltrating. And he just went sector

(23:34):
by sector, industry by industry, institution by institution, and in fact,
there was one point all he did. He just said,
and then there's President This was under Biden. Then there's
President Joe Biden. That's all he said. He said, and
then there's President Joe Biden. And the whole classroom started

(23:58):
laughing and clapping, like it's an open secret. We own them.
And he bragged how they bought off Hunter, how they
bought off the kids, how through the kids they funneled
money to Joe Biden, and he said, we tell him
what to do, and so you can tell for them.

(24:22):
They feared Trump, and to be honest, they fear you,
and they fear me, and they fear this show and
MAGA because we're the only ones who are not for sale,
because we're patriots. Sure we want to do well. Sure
we want to feed our families. Sure we want the
country to be wealthy and prosperous, of course, but we
have limits. We're not for sale. That's it, period full stop.

(24:47):
There are some things money, you know, we're not gonna
We're not going to sell our soul. There are some
things money just can't buy, period full stop. And that's
why they had to either compromise Trump, or threaten Trump,
or get rid of Trump. That's why they stole the election,
or held to Biden steal the election, and that's why

(25:11):
they've been waging all out war. They want him to
lose the midterms. They don't want this aroun war to succeed.
They want this war to be a disaster for Trump,
particularly through high gas and oil and energy prices, and
that he get absolutely shalocked in the midterms. And frankly,
I'm being very candid now, they'd love to see the

(25:33):
Democrats assassinate Trump. They'd like to see him gone completely,
if not have him impeached and paralyzed and politically crippled.
So that's what we're dealing with. So you're completely right,
this is all They're like a stealth enemy in that sense.

(25:54):
They're smart, they're cunning, and they're very smart. They're not
like the old Soviets, the old Bolsheviks. You know, you
remember Khrushchew taking a shoe off at the un and
banging the podium and saying to you know, to America,
we will bury you. And he's banging his shoe like
the Soviets, the Russians, they told us to our face,

(26:18):
you're our enemy, and we're going to crush you and
defeat you. No, no, no no. The Chinese ten thousand years,
very smart, a lot of guyle, a lot of deception,
very cunning. They throw you a banquet fit not for
a king, for an emperor.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Lee.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I'm telling you. On the way back on the plane,
I have a journalist's friend, Buddy, who went on with
the entourage. He said, Jeff, for have the trip back.
Everybody kept talking about how amazing the food was. They're saying,
I'm telling you, they threw a feast, but it was
the quality of the food. They said, I'm telling you,
the best meal I've ever had of my life. And

(27:02):
the wine and the champagne and the desserts and the
pageantry and the show and they did the ymca, you know,
the village people, and they serenaded Trump, and he said
it was a spectacular show. He goes they didn't roll
out the red carpet. They rolled out the gold carpet.
The carpet was made of gold, like figure a speech.

(27:25):
So what they do is they toast you, and they
whine and dine you, and they praise you with a
big smile. But on the other side of their mouth,
they're threatening you. Over Taiwan. They want their visas, they

(27:47):
want their farmland or our farmland, and they want to
continue to infiltrate us. Because the Chinese have a saying
they think war is stupid. They laugh. By the way,
Therussians too. Jijinping has contempt for Putin. How could you
get your country involved in a four year war? Bleed
yourself like this, lose a what is it? Hundreds of

(28:10):
thousands of not a million men? Like what are you crazy?
You can accomplish more through bribery than you ever could
through a military invasion or occupation. So for them, their
logic is buy a country without firing a bullet. That's

(28:35):
the real art of the deal. And that's what they
do in country after country after country, and the Chinese
think now they're invincible. They think it's inevitable. They believe
now they're on a par with us, and they believe
in a matter of twenty five to fifty years they're

(28:56):
going to surpass us, and they believe they're going to
be calling the shots. We will be their vassal, and
they can't wait to treat us like their slaves. And
they're amazed. And I'm last point. What the spy chief
said was that the Russians sell themselves for much more

(29:17):
than the Americans. They're openly saying, no, no, in Russia, we buy,
you know, we buy you know, we buy Russians. But mah,
you want to buy the mayor of Saint Petersburg or
the mayor of Moscow, you're looking at least a billion dollars.
Two billion dollars buys you the president in America, the
world's greatest superpower. You can barely get a city in

(29:39):
Russia for one billion. In America, you get a president
for two billion. You get a member of Congress. He's contemptuous.
Ten million dollars. They're yours like like like a ten
dollars street walker. They're like, hey, come on, you remember Congress,
for God's sake, you sit on committees, you're create, you know,

(30:00):
through the budget, trillions of dollars, and this is how
low you sell yourself. So what I'm telling you is,
and the Chinese are open now they're naked. I think
it's their mistake. I think they should have waited much
longer and concealed themselves and be deceptive. Now they've come

(30:22):
out of the closet and we're onto them, the region
is onto them, the world is onto them. So I
think they they broke their cover too early because I
think this is the problem with the Chinese. I'm talking
about the leadership. It is their arrogance and their hubris.

(30:45):
This is what always is their downfall. You look at
Chinese history and their emperors, the ones that have fallen,
and periodically they fall and the whole thing collapses. It's
always due to their pride, hubris and arrogance. They're very
much like the Germans that way. The Germans have the
same fatal sin, you know. But anyway, let that go.

(31:09):
I'm just gonna stick to China. She is too smart
by half. And you can see his arrogance through his
eyes and his demeanor, and I'm telling you he's asking
for too much. And he exposed himself and China and
their real intentions. And that's why I think now we

(31:33):
have to open our eyes and realize China is not
our friend. There are mortal enemy, and let's stop them
while we still have the time and the power and
the ability to do so. Lee, final word to you.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yes, and I listened to everything you said. There are
just two points I'd want to make and throw this
out there because I've observe this with my own eyes
in my own community, and that is that there is
that segment of the Chinese population where the young people

(32:12):
come here as students. And I see it at Brandise,
I see it Appentley and other ivy leagues around the state,
and I'm sure this happens around the country. Here's what happens.
They come here, they see the freedoms we have, they
see this wonderful economy. They get great jobs because these
students are brilliant and they work, They have their careers,

(32:36):
they have their jobs. They take their parents over here.
Their parents get a US residency. And there are some
complexes that residential complexes at thirty percent of the population
in these senior complexes are the parents of these kids.

(32:58):
So and they're all driving I see it every day.
They're driving Lexus and Mercedes. And you know they're having
good lives here in America. So let's not confuse those people.
I just took a cruise. I cannot tell you how
much money was dropped in the jewelry shop buying diamonds

(33:22):
and gold and watches by Asian people. I never saw
so many Asian people on a cruise. I love it.
I love the fact that they want to come here,
they assimilate, but we have to be very cautious and
very careful that there is that segment those students that
come here with as part of the CCP okay. And

(33:47):
that's one thing that I wanted to say. And finally,
I want to tell you about Taiwan. You mentioned Taiwan before,
and should we be selling military weapons to the Taiwan
should be a territory. I would be courting them. I
would be courding the Taiwanese government to become a territory

(34:07):
of the US that gives us the right to protect
ourselves and the obligation to protect them. That's my final word,
and I hope you have a wonderful week and I
love listening to your show.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well Lee as always, very very thoughtful call, very thoughtful call. Lee,
Thank you so much. Look, I think, to be honest,
if we try to make any move on Taiwan as
a protectorate, as a territory, it would lead to war
with China. That is their redline. I'm not saying to
abandon Taiwan. Quite the opposite. I'm the one that's saying

(34:47):
give them the weapons, sell them the weapons, the twelve
billion dollar arms package, send it to them, arm them
to the teeth. But if we're going to say it's
going to be ours or come into our zone, I'm
telling you you, the Chinese will go to war over that,
the regime will go to war, and Taiwan is not

(35:07):
worth World War three. But all due respect to the
Taiwanese people, make it a porcupine. As I say, arm
it to the teeth, where the Chinese says it's just
not worth invading because we're going to get our mouth smashed.
But if we made a play for Taiwan, China would
strike with everything they have. We have nuclear weapons, they

(35:30):
have nuclear weapons. To me, it's not worth a world war.
It just isn't on that. I agree with Trump. I
think on that he's being very prudent, very cautious, very sober,
very responsible. So it's a bit of a delicate balancing act.
You want to arm them, and it can strengthen them

(35:52):
and enable them to defend themselves as a deterrent without
overly provoking the Chinese. And you know, in other words,
keep the status quo, just keep it as just everything,
just stay as it is. They're not independent. Many in
Taiwan want to be independent. They're not independent, they're not

(36:13):
a territory of ours, but they're also not a province
of China. And just you know, let this. Who knows
the Chinese regime may fall in ten, fifteen, twenty years,
you know, we don't. Can nobody keep nobody can predict
the future. So but if we made an aggressive play
for Taiwan, I think no question. What Putin did to

(36:35):
Ukraine is what China would do to Taiwan and us
by extension if we were involved in Taiwan anyway, just
my opinion, Mark in Medford, Thanks for holding Mark and welcome.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Sorry I got to move full of chetos.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Friend, Mark. I don't think there's anybody more Maga than you.
I don't think there's any any more pro Trump than you.
I don't think there's anyone more America first than you.
So to me, you're the ultimate person to ask this question.
Do you agree with Trump on the Chinese student visas?

(37:15):
And do you agree with Trump on China being allowed
to continue to buy farmland? What say you?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Well, Jeff, I'm gonna surprise you, because you know me,
I'm full of surprises. I think Trump went about this
the wrong way, and I'll tell you why. When he
spoke to g in China, what.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
He should have said was, before I even entertain the
idea of issuing one single student visa, before I entertain
of issuing the idea of any Chinese corporation or company
buying a single acre of American farmland

Speaker 1 (38:01):
O Mark, we are up against it.