Home Improvement Show 03-28-26

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Good morning and welcome in now the Home improvement Show
of the Midlands, and thank you for joining us this
morning for the program here on one O three point
five FM and five sixty AMWVOC and everywhere you go
on the free iHeartRadio app. Got a great show planned
this morning. We're gonna be talking about the biggest mistakes
the homeowners make when it comes to hiring a painter,
and we'll talk to a professional painter about that. Russ Barcasey,

(00:38):
the owner of the Finishing Touch Team, he'll be here.
Jeremy how today mister electrical drop buying close out the
program next half hour. But we get started with things
that bug you, bugs, mosquitoes, you name it. This guy's
got to fix It's Trey Poald from MOSQUITEO Joe, who
gets a started this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Trey, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hey, good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
How are you man?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Doing great?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's our last week of March madness. It's hard to believe,
but that thing came in coming and going really quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah it is, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, I mean we'll have a little bleed over into April,
some some early April madness too.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I guess with all that that's right, And what a
weird couple of weeks we've had.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
We've had, you know, temperatures up around ninety then you know,
like the next day it's fifties, sixties. It seems like
you know, we we all notice. Question is do in
particular the mosquitoes notice that? And it's just a couple
of days of really warm weather enough to really get
a breakout going.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, we've had.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
I mean the temperatures are consistently above fifty degrees, so
they are fully active. When it drops down below that
for one night or for a day, it really.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Doesn't affect them.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
You need you need streaks of days where, you know,
really you need a week where it would drop down
like that consistently, you know, for five to seven days
that that.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Makes a big impact. But you know, what we're.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Seeing is a little typical ups and downs of this
time of year and h but no, they are, they
are definitely very active, probably a little earlier start to
the season than what we normally get.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But yeah, I was going to ask you that here.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I'm trying to remember last spring it seemed like it arrived,
summer arrived early, but we didn't have as many hot
days this early on in the in the you know,
late winter and early springs we've had this year.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
This seems to be a bit of an anomaly.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, it's it's been crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's like you got to look at the weather every
day to see what you get to put on and
get read get read, right.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
So so what you're telling us, then, Trey, is that
it don't take but a day or two of uh,
you know, temperatures up into the certainly the eighties and
almost ninety for these things to hatch. But it would
take a lot more cool nights or cold nights than
we're seeing for there to be you know, an issue
with killing them off or whatever.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I guess, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I mean the key number is is fifty degrees. When
it's consistently above fifty degrees for days and weeks in
a row, which it has been you know since I
mean probably first of February, then the mosquito eggs will
begin to hatch. I mean, when you're consistently in the
in the seventies and eighties, they just hatch faster, and

(03:28):
they go through that larval stage faster, you know. But
when it's above fifty degrees, they're they're fine and good
to go.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh, it seems like gas prices, right, it goes up overnight,
but it takes a while.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
To come back down.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
This is all we deal with.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
So question is, obviously it's not too early to start
taking care of these things. And you guys start early.
I mean every year, you guys are out starting usually
in middle February. I guess it was about that time
he came by my house for the first time. And
that's you know, not even quite a April yet you've
already been out what twice I guess to my place.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, that sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I mean, you know these in these early uh you know,
early in the season, you know, there's a big focus
on on larva siding, and you know that is really
inspecting that yard and finding where the mosquitoes are breeding
or could breed, and either getting rid of any standing
water that we're finding or treating it with a larva

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side so that any mosquito eggs that hatch will never
be born. Those larva will be eliminated at the larval
stage and they never become adult mosquitoes.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
And you know.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
That that that will significantly reduce the population of mosquitos
on that particular property, and so you know, it makes
you know, the spraying job a lot easier, you know,
when you're not when you're not when you don't have
thousands of new, brand new mosquitos on a daily you

(05:00):
know that are being born. And so it's a real
one two punch with you know, both larva siding, finding
where they're breeding and cutting them off, you know, before
they're ever born, so that you're never seeing them at all.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, So unlike us humans or mammals of what have you. Who,
you're you're born, You're born. Mosquitoes are there's an egg
then when they hatch there and the larval stage and
then they they come out fighting, right, they come out like.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Full grown, right, yeah, they they There is a another
stage called the pupa stage where they go from a
larva you know, to an adult and they so they
become a pupa and that is where they're emerging from
the from the surface of the water. But they are
born as an adult and you know, they are looking

(05:47):
as soon as they're born. They are looking for another
mosquito to breed with so that they can begin biting
in laying eggs and biting in laying eggs, and that's
really what they're doing, you know, for the short time
that they're around. You know, males live for about you know,
ten days to two weeks, and females lives I don't know,

(06:07):
four to six weeks on average. And so they're they're
laying as many eggs as they can. And you know,
some mosquitoes can breeds can lay up to three hundred
eggs every few days.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
And they only have to mate once that they give
told us these females they could just keep keep laying
these eggs after.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
That, that is correct.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
They only mate one time, and then they use what
they get from the male mosquito uh to reproduce eggs
over and over again.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, So I you know, just just hearing you say
that it wouldn't take too many females on your property
to find a male to mate with. That bring you
a real big problem in hurry.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
They're yeah, they're multiplying is pretty exponential. Once the once
the weather gets to you know where we are now,
and then they go through the warmer, it gets the
faster that they go through that larval stage, and then
you know, when we get to you know, April and
May and June, you know what happens is those mosquitoes

(07:09):
are are those eggs are hatching within days of being laid,
and they only go takes you know, four to seven
days to go through that larval stage. And then you've
got hundreds of more mosquitoes coming out on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
So I guess the the the lesson here is is
you might walk out into your backyard this weekend and think, hey,
it's all good, But what you don't see is what's
getting ready to descend.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Upon you here if it hadn't already.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
And I mean, you can really go from from from
zero to sixty almost overnight, couldn't you?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You can.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean that you know, when you when the.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
When spring has sprung and you know the temperatures are up,
I mean, they can go from ten mosquitoes to one
hundred mosquitoes, to a thousand mosquitoes to ten thousand or
one hundred thousand in a very short period of time.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Wow, Okay, I'm trying to remember, Trey. I know, look
at the old Farmer's almanac, you look at the long
range forecast and such, and I guess in your business,
you guys have to pay attention to such things. I
mean the upcoming season. Uh, well, are we going to
be damp? We've got to be warmer than usual or whatever.
This has obviously a big impact on what you do

(08:16):
and then how you keep backyards fun.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Again.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, so the the barometer for for this year does
not outlook is not good. If you've had your crystal
ball or your little black eight.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Ball, outlook is not good. Uh.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
This year so far is showing all of the signs
of early of an early bloom and a lot of
you know, bug activity kind of across the board.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So not Yeah, and that.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Is for the entire southeast.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, and you say bug activity not just mosquitoes, No, you.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Know roaches, ants, Uh, you know, turmites, they they are
all thriving.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Just the weather patterns and so far what we've seen
so far is predicting a pretty buggy year.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
All right, my friend, let's talk what to do about
this again.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
You mentioned that the early visit you guys make is
coming out and mainly doing two things. Finding that standing water.
So what's what's the deal with standing water?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Tray well?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
In order for mosquitoes to lay their eggs, there must
be standing water, or there must be a place where
standing water will be. You know, a lot of times
the eighties mosquito that we have, you know, they will.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Lay their eggs right on the edge.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Of where water is or will be. Like they'll might
lay them in a bird bath that's almost dry.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
But as soon as it rains, what happens is the rain.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Goes up and it picks up those eggs and kind
of activates those.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Eggs, you know, in place.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
So you know, the biggest thing is that is trying
to ma andage standing water in your yard. And it's
and it's never something that's obvious. You know, it's not
a swimming pool that's nice and clean in the middle
of the yard. It's going to be that drain that's
next to it that's kind of hidden and grown over
with grass and you don't even realize that there's three
inches of water in the bottom of it. You know,

(10:18):
gutters that are that are blocked up, kids, toys, buckets, wheelbarrows,
you know, planters, the the uh the little tray underneath
flower pots.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
That people have.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, you can you can get a hundred mosquitos out
of a bottle cap and so it doesn't take a
lot of water at all, you know, to to breed mosquitoes.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And so it's just a constant battle.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
And that's why every time we service throughout the year,
we are looking for water, we're tipping, tossing water, or
treating it with a larvacide to really cut them off
before they're ever born.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So that that's something that all homeowners can do on
a daily basis if you wanted to, is it did
to walk around your property and try to find those spots.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah, I mean, the bottom line is if you don't
have standing water, you don't have mosquitoes. But they just
every time it rains, it will replenish what you've dumped out.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And you know, we we get a lot of rain.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
We got a lot of afternoon thunderstorms.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
As things will heat up and warm up, we get
lots of rain.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
But you can you could be the most vigilant individual
out there going out every day and finding every place
where water's accumulated and tipping those buckets drying them out.
But if your neighbor's not doing it, and it's been
you've you've said this before that these biscuidies that don't
fly very far. But if your neighbor's not doing it that, uh.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It may be all for for for for not for you.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I would say in most of the yards that we
have around the Midlands.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
That that is a pretty good strategy.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
If somebody is doing that very attentively, they're probably not
going to have a mosquito problem, even if their neighbor does.
It just really depends on the size of the yard.
I mean, average property around here is like a half
an acre, and these mosquitoes don't fly more than a
couple hundred feet in their whole lifetime. Yeah, so probably

(12:14):
not mosquitoes coming from your neighbor's property unless you're on
a very small lot and the houses are very very
close together, you know. That's that's where you get more
crossover of mosquitos. Otherwise they will cross over.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
It just takes a very long time.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, and then well, these neighborhoods popping up left and right,
you see a lot of that. I mean, these houses
are just about butted up. They may as well be
town homes almost, you know, I mean that that close together.
But having said that, that that begs the question. So
I'll lean back up. So you start with the water.
Then you guys applying that larva side. So anything that
you know happens to be there, you want to keep

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it from being born. But for somebody who has never
done any of this, all hope is not lost. Now
you can buy stuff at a big box store. What
are the mistakes people are making when they try to
go about it that way to get rid of the
existing population.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Tray, Well, they need to get two things. They need
to pick up a larva side, and there are you know,
b I T dunks mosquito dunks that you can you know,
put into anywhere that holds water.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And then there are there is.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know, an over the counter, you know product that
you can use to spray the yard and spray all
the foliage in the yard. You know, for mosquitoes, what's
what's available is mostly.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Just an instant knockdown. So you know, that is something that.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
The biggest if you're asking for what mistakes they make
is just they're not consistent with it. You know, they
might spray and they see a difference, but you know,
they're not treating again until they start getting bit And
by the time they're getting bit, now they've you know,
they've taken back.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Over, they've laid a bunch of eggs and so forth,
and so you know.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
If somebody were out there consistently, you know, every couple
of weeks making sure all the standing water was either
gone or treated with the larvacide, and they were spraying
their yard, you know, very consistently, over and over again,
and then that that could be effective for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, But so and I asked this question because people
may be wondering, well, if I can do it myself,
why hire biscuit to Joe, Well, let's talk about the
things that you guys do, and how much more effective
that is.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, when you have a train I mean obviously, a
trained professional knows what to look for. I mean, it's
it's you know, guys are pretty amazed when they come
to work for us and we're training them for the
first few weeks on how to find standing water and
all the various you know, places to look for and
where they tend to hide because it's never obvious. I

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can't tell you how many customers tell us, well, we
don't have any standing water. And I said, well, if
you don't didn't have standing water, you wouldn't have mosquitos.
So let us get out there and find where it is.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's not going to be somewhere obvious, but you know, it's.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
You really have to have a keen eye for understanding
where water goes and where it collects and all the
different various places that.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
That can breed mosquitoes. You know.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
The second thing is, obviously we're using a professional grade
product that you know, our product has a residual which
means that a week after you've treated any mosquito that
lands on one of the plants or you know, all
the foliage that we've sprayed, they're going to be eliminated
as well. If you did have mosquitos coming over from
your neighbors, they would be.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Eliminated as well. Whereas you're if you're.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Spraying an instant knockdown something that's off the shelf at
a big box store, that's really just an insidant knockdown.
There's not a lot of residual to that. It's going
to work tomorrow, the next day, the next week. You know,
ours is going to put up a pretty strong barrier
around that yard for that's going to last for about
three weeks. And you know, so we just come just

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like clockwork, every three weeks, and we go back to
looking for standing water, retreating any standing water, getting rid
of standing water, and spraying that yard again to put
that barrier back in place. And you know, I kind
of describe it as like putting a flea.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Collar around that yard.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Your neighbors are still going to have mosquitoes, but you're
your your yard will not.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
So I guess if you're gonna have a big shin
dig out back this weekend and you went out to
the big box store and got some of the knockdown stuff,
you might be okay this weekend. But if you had
another shin to plan next weekend, you're right back when
you started.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, there's you know, there are all.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Kinds of you know, things that you can buy on
the internet, and you know, little gimmicks and plants that
you can plant, and all of them have some level
of effectiveness, but none of them are going to have
the same results as having a professional come out and
treat the property consistently, you know, throughout the summer.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
So you guys come out every three weeks and uh
and and then lay down the spray and tip the
water and then all the other great things you do
and and again a testament as to how well this works.
We've been using you guys for years. I don't even
think about mosquithas I haven't in years. I mean, it
works that well. But you also here the other paths
that around the house and with another recurring service that

(17:09):
you can bundle all this together and save yourself a
good amount of money, can't you.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean that you know, most customers like
to deal with with one one company for their pest control,
and so you know, we do offer home pest defense
to keep the ants and spiders and and and roaches
and things like that, silver fish and those those things
out of the house.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
So we do treat for you.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Know, kind of indoor outdoor for home pest defense. We
do termites as well. We even do roadent control and
so or and fire ant treatment if you wanted to
you know, rid your yard of fire ants.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
If you're having a problem with that. So any any sort.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Of pest control needs we can we can help resolve that.
And any of the recurring services that we do.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
You know, we can.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Bundle those services into one low monthly payment and uh
and just kind of keep your test free inside and all.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right, So Trey Powell.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
If folks want to get a hold of you, guys,
get that estimate, gets you out there taking a look
what they need to do.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Eight five to five, Aska Joe. Eight five to five,
Aska Joe. It's going to ask you for your zip
code and then that will direct you to either our
office in Columbia or our office out in Lexington.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Easy enough, Trey Powell, Mosquito Joe, Thanks buddy, have a
great weekend.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Thank you you too.

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back to the Home Improvement Show of the Midlands on
one O three point five FM and five sixty AMWVOC
and Welcome in russ Markaesy He is a proprietor at
the Finishing Touch Team in the Midlands. Good morning, my friend,
Good morning Gerry, good to be here, Good to have you.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
We talked a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
You had some great tips for us about the biggest
mistakes we make as homeowners when we try to do
it on our own, and some you have some great
advice on. You know, if you want to do it yourself,
you know, do this, that's right, don't do this, don't
do that exactly. Can't you read the sign old song?
I'm getting myself with that. Life's a five man electrical band.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's AnyWho. Today, though, another.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Mistake we make, but this time a mistake that a
lot of folks make when it comes to actually hiring
a professional somebody who may be poses a professional because yeh,
as we've talked about before, I mean, a lot of
people will be happy to charge you to paint that
doesn't necessarily make them a professional painter.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's correct.

Speaker 8 (21:03):
Yeah, And unfortunately, Gary, the the problem is homeowners generally
realize this once it's too late, okay, and that's that's
no good because you know, money has been spent to
positive has been made, paint has been purchased, so at
that point it kind of it's too late at that point, right.
So there are there's a lot of signs and red

(21:24):
flags that pop up that that folks can definitely pay
attention to to try to navigate you into, you know,
a better direction and get a real quality job.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
And I'll be honest, Gary, the two biggest ones are
when it comes to pricing, because let's face it, you
know a lot of folks they like to get, you know,
multiple prices to to make make sure that everything's apples
to apples and and they're getting the job that they want.
Ye sure, But a lot of times I hear from
homeowners that the prices vary so drastically. You know, where

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you have a paint job where one guy might be
one thousand dollars and another guy might be three thousand
dollars for example, what's the biggest difference of the gap here?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
What's going on? Okay?

Speaker 8 (22:10):
And I'll tell you the two biggest things that I've
seen in my experience over the last twenty five years
are two main things, and that Gary, is the preparation
work that's involved in that job, okay. And the second
biggest thing is the insurances that those contractors are carrying.
All right, those two things will delegate price immensely, and
those are generally the two biggest ones that we're seeing

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when you see a pretty big price gap there. Okay, Now,
those are really the two that you see for the
most part. You know, when it comes to the preparation.
What I like to tell people a lot of times is, hey,
ask the contractor what is their plan for preparation? Okay,
If they can't give you a step by step, you know,

(22:56):
verbatim process of how they're gonna go about it and
what they're gonna do for you, that's a red flag. Okay,
if they're just glossing over it.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
There.

Speaker 8 (23:05):
Proposals, Gary, if you get a proposal from a painting
contractor and it's vague or heck, get's written on a
napkin or you know, we've seen it all sorts of
different things.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
But or if there's no written proposal at all, or no.

Speaker 8 (23:19):
Proposal at all, right, maybe it's a text message or
things like this. These are red flags that that you
really need to pay attention to, so you know, avoiding uh, well,
you know, any disasters here and you know, with your
with your project. But we see so much of it
quite a bit gary. But along with that is the insurances.

(23:40):
All right, you have to have gcs, have to have
the proper insurances, general liability and workmen's come. Okay, God forbids.
Something happens in your home. Outside of your home, somebody
falls off of a ladder, right, paintings. You know, painting
is it can be a dangerous profession, right, We're climbing
up on ladders, we're on roofs a lot, we're awkward

(24:00):
situations and spots and accidents unfortunately happened. So the last
thing in the world you want is for a contractor
to not have the proper insurances. Somebody gets hurt, guess
where they're going to.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So this is on you, This is on the homeowner. Okay.

Speaker 8 (24:15):
So these are very very important aspects that every homeowner
should make sure of before signing any contract with the painting.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Cont I will I will tell you this too, because
you know, in the past, going back, it's been a
long time decades probably, but you know, we have hired
people on occasion. I know it's weird because my wife
loves the pain but a couple of specific jobs years ago,
we hired somebody to do the work, and I can

(24:44):
tell you. They they they, they came in, they started painting.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, they just went right to it, went right to it.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, let's talk about the way the Finishing Touch team
does things and all this is spelled out, and I've
you know, i've we've worked together and i've you know,
you given proposals and I'm like, wow, dude, this is
a lot of stuff I'm reading through.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
But right, yeah, for a very specific reason, there is, Gary.
It's it's to protect you and it's to protect us.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Look, there's nothing worse than the world than going into
something vaguely and there's all sorts of gray areas and
we don't know what to expect from each other.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Right, it goes both ways, even.

Speaker 8 (25:22):
So, you know, if so, when we when a homeowner
calls us to take a look at their project number one,
we're prompt with it. Okay, We're not waiting a week
to call somebody back. We're going to call somebody back,
if not within an hour that day, you know, within
twenty four hours, without a doubt. But we try to
be even quicker than that, okay, And we like to
go ahead and get it on the books and set

(25:43):
it up with you whatever's conducive with their schedule. So
once we get there Gary, we will analyze their situation
to paying out whatever they're looking for and we start
talking about it right there and then okay, with the homeowner,
we want to know what their expectations are with the
prom Okay. A lot of times when somebody wants to
get a room painted, I will ask them what their

(26:05):
expectations are on the preparation with the sheet rock work.
Some people they're okay with just filling a couple of
little nail holes and then doing the pain, you know,
standing going through your normal prep but not as much
sheet rock work, so they're okay with that. Other folks
they want every single imperfection.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Fixed, all right.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
So it's very important to get and it is fifty
to fifty down the middle a lot of times when
it comes to this sort of thing. But I need
to know, as a contractor what your expectations are of
what you're looking for, what you had in mind for
this job. Okay, It's super important. It's all about communication.
So this is what we do. We talk about all
this sort of stuff in the beginning when we're at

(26:45):
the job looking at it. Once we get all that
information and our measurements, we'll come back, we will form
a proposal. We will you know, get all the counts,
the square footage and formulate a very very detailed proposal
on verb them exactly how we're going to go through
everything step by step prep wise, the type of materials

(27:05):
that we're going to use for that project. How many
coats of primer, how many codes of paint? Like I said,
the preparation, are we standing between coats? All of that
should be within the proposal that you're receiving.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
If it is not, that is a red flag. Okay,
it's a red flag. There's too much gray area in there.
We have signed proposals, Okay, we don't just go off
of a handshake. We you know, have to have it legit.
We will email those proposals and have folks e sign
them or they can physically sign them as well. We

(27:41):
set up start dates with those people, and we show
up on that start date.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
We generally will call two to three days before that
start date to make sure that everything's in order and
everybody's still good with with with the plan. And then
obviously once we get there, we execute the project and
we do.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
It we have to do.

Speaker 8 (27:59):
But anything really short of that, to me is a
red flag. Gary, it's you got to have those steps.
Uh you really do.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
You talk about again, the sanding of the walls, fixing,
nail pops and stuff, anything else goes? Does anything else
go into that preparation procedure?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Sure?

Speaker 8 (28:20):
Oh yeah, And of course it varies job to job.
But anything that we are putting any sort of product
on any paint sanding is number one, all right, absolute,
absolute number one. You have to you know, upbraid that surface,
that substrate, okay, in order for the paint to have
better at hearing.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Okay, it's wise.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay, it's not the smooth things out as to its true,
but it also will be adherent.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yes, so the paint can adhere to it.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Yeah, if there's imperfections or it's surface is kind of rough,
of course, we're smoothing down the surface as well. But
it's also for the painted here we uh, you know, cracks, holes,
everything thing needs to be calked filled on exterior of homes,
we'll use bondo compound, all right. A lot of times Gary,
there might be a little soft spot and a piece

(29:09):
of wood. Okay, Now, of course, we'll point this out
to the homeowner and if they want to replace that wood,
we give them that option if they want to replace it.
But there's another option, and we can use Bondo compound
and we can actually patch that area sand it. You
never know what was there, and most of the time
it lasts longer over the house. Will that compounds a
very tough patch. We do things like that, exterior spackling

(29:31):
on columns to get rid of seams, all sort of.
The preparation is really endless. It's just surface specific of
whatever we are doing in that moment.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I know you approach these things as though, Okay, if
this were my home, I'm going I'm doing the whole
inch al out of here. That's why, well, the whole nine.
But it's up to the homeowners how far they want
to go.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
It is, and that's a good point. I like to
refer to it as the that you know job or
the Cadillac job is kind of how I like to,
you know, phrase it.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Sometimes I'm old like that, but.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
Uh yeah too, we won't we now Having said that, Gary,
We'll only go so far.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
You know, with the lack of prep. Because it's your
name on it.

Speaker 8 (30:15):
It's our name on it, okay, And I've had a
lot of times where I've had folks say, hey, can
you maybe not just sand it and just throw a
coat of paint on it. We're not the guys that
you've walked away from those Joah. We do, we do,
We really do. It's uh because, like you said, Gary,
our name's on this. And you know, if somebody asked, hey,
who did your paint job? You know, finishing touch, well,

(30:36):
you know that's not.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
A good thing.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
So there's a certain limit of preparation that we won't go,
you know, beyond, but certain things have to be done.
But yeah, we get that question quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
So if if you ever hired somebody to paint and
they haven't you know, done these sorts of things, it's important,
it is. And people might be surprised too, because will
you come in and you've done this at our house? Yeah,
and you do the sanding and you fix these imperfections,
the nail pops and such and the sheet rock. You
don't come back until the next day to start painting.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
A lot of times, Yeah, it depends. It depends now, right,
So you know there's a reason.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
For that, of course.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Yeah, you know, if patches aren't drying quickly enough, if
there's a lot of humidity in the air. There's all
sorts of aspects that play into this, right, But yeah,
generally speaking, we do all of our preparation work first, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
We you know, we go through the house.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
All of our standing's done, all of our patching's done,
all of our caking, and there's just there's a system
to it, one by one by one that we go
through and like, if we're going to do an interior
of a home, the first two days are nothing but
preparation generally, Okay, if we're going through an entire inside
of a house, let's say we've had preparation last up
to three, four five a week sometimes just for the

(31:53):
preparation work in a home. So it really does vary,
and as you mentioned, it does vary as well with
the homeowner how much they're actually looking for. But certain
steps absolutely have to be done.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
So we get the idea that person A comes out
and says, yeah, let's see, yeah, I can do it
for one thousand dollars. Okay, when can you be here?
Then maybe they show up in or maybe they don't.
Versus the guy that says you know, two thousand and
three thousand or whatever. Now, when you break it all down,

(32:26):
if if the if guy number one is offering to
do the exact same thing the guy number two is doing,
but it is more expensive, well, okay, figured it out.
But if you want it done right, it's going to
cost you more.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
It does. It's the lowest bid is not always the
way to go. It's just not. There's reasons for it. There.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
Look, if a guy is uh, you know, two thousand
dollars difference in a paint cost price here, there's a
reason for this, okay, and you really ought to figure
out why that reason is. Okay, maybe it is prep. Now, hey,
look maybe it is just an overhead issue and maybe
they have more expenses than the other guy does. That's
very possible, like you alluded to, Gary, if you're looking

(33:05):
at two proposals and their apples to apples and they're
all reading the same the same amount of prep and
it's cheaper, like you said, you can figure that out
for yourself. But again, if they don't pull out the
first measuring wheel or measuring laser, or they just sit
there and kind of you know, like this on their
chin and they say I think it's gonna be about
this much.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
How many times have you seen that, oil boy, I
tell you that that's those are red flags that you
really want to run from.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Absolutely, and again, as you mentioned the case of making
sure they're insured, insured, license bond and all that, right.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Oh, Gary, Yeah, that's that is one of the biggest
ones we've seen over over the years. It really bites people.
It really comes back because look in these this day
of an age, you know, look, everybody unfortunately there's a
soue happy type society that we're living in, Okay, which
is why our insurances are so darn high to begin with, right,

(34:00):
But you gotta have the proper insurance to do this work.
Otherwise it does fall back on the home owner. It
just does. That's the next person wherever the money is,
that's where the insurance company has got to go to
to try to collect or the hospital or whoever that is.
So it's it is imperative to know that if a
contractor a GC is doing work in your home or

(34:22):
on your property, that they have the proper insurances to
do so.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Got about sixty seconds left, but I didn't want to
not mention this because so many people have taken advantage
of it and have saved a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
You guys, and the cabinet work you do is incredible.
Oh yeah, we love doing the cabinets career. We have
about four sets in our shop right now that we're
working on and we just you know, it's a great
niche that we have. We specialize in it. We can
save a ton of money by painting cabinets. You save
it's a fraction of the price from replacing cabinets. As

(34:56):
we've talked about before on the show and this guy's
guys the limit. We can do all sorts of different things.
We work with a lot of different cabinet companies that
can add trim, crown molding, different type of drawers, pullouts,
along with refacing the cabinets and then of course all of.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
The painting and finishing that we do as well.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
And you do.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
You paint the shelves obviously right there, because not removing
the whole cabinet from the house, but the doors and
you're taking back to your place that's in a special
environment in order to why is that, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
It's to control it's to control all of the dust
and the preparation, all right, So you know, you can't
do it at a garage. You can't do it outside
there's too much dust floating around. So we do it
in our state of the art spray booth in our
in our shop where the like you said, the environment,
the air is controlled. We have a downdraft system so
that when things are drying, there's no dust getting on them.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
So, yeah, I hate to even bring this up, but
I don't know if I've ever confessed to this or not,
but years ago Ann and I actually took some cabinet doors.
We were living in a house that had a very large,
very high area under the back, but it was all
dirt down there. We did spread out of tarp, but yeah,
we we took some cabin doors down there and and

(36:09):
and sprayed them. And you know that would you'd have
probably got nausea seeing us do that. Yes, there's a
reason why you don't do that and do it the
way you.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Did, Yes, sir, that's the reason.

Speaker 8 (36:19):
Yeah, you don't want you don't want dirt to bring
in that paint job after that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
My goodness. All right, Russ, it's always good to see
my friends come here.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Somebody wants to get that estimate wants to you know,
go through and trust me, be ready for it because
you're going to get a document that you're gonna need
you very detailed, very very detailed, and I really appreciate
that when we work together. How do folks reach you
and get you out there for that that free estimate?
Oh and by the way, yeah, ten percent off nurses

(36:47):
first responders yep, all the time, all the time, every time. Yes, sir,
We're offering a ten percent off all exterior painting at
the most till the end of summer. And that is
also coupled with a free complimentary power washing one year
from the completion date of that full exterior painting.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So it's a really good deal. All right.

Speaker 8 (37:04):
How to folks reach Russ Yeah, get a hold of
me at eight oh three four sixty seven six seven
five nine.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right. Always good to see you, my friend. Have
you Bilfai? A great weekend? You too, Gary, Thanks so much.
How about you too far.

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Speaker 2 (39:06):
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Speaker 5 (39:08):
To see you Gary doing great?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
We want to talk about well keeping safe today. That's
what you don't really when we talk about electricity. A
lot of what we talk about is keeping safe. Right,
A lot of things can go wrong, especially if you
try to go it on your own. But but today,
keeping safe as far as smoke detectors are concerned. Yes,

(39:31):
all right, you're an electrician. You know the issues that
can come up. And I don't know what the stats
are on this, Jeremy, but you know when there's a
when there's a fire and something happens and something catches far,
I'm guessing that a fair amount of time there's some
sort of an electrical issue that's caused that.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, could be any kind of issue, you know, somebody
can be smoking in bed or whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
But but but certainly electricity can can can be a
chief contribut.

Speaker 10 (40:00):
Yes, electricity you want, you want the you want a
good installation. You want your electrical to be functioning properly.
You want all the safety devices in place. But on
top of that, smoke detectors are going to protect you
from fires that are caused uh by other things in
the home.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know, and we're talking about playing old regular, you know,
sticking up on the wall, put a cold battery in
the smoke detector right well there?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Or do we need.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Something more or are there better things available?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (40:26):
Yes, when it comes to picking out the right smoke
detector for your needs, uh, it's better to go with
one that's uh, you know, been approved by testing laboratory.
You recognize things that's right, you listed you want to
you know, you have things like ten year batteries now
in smoke detective smoke alarms and.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
What's more, what's more irritating waking up on a Saturday
morning because there's.

Speaker 10 (40:50):
This deep Yeah, you're right, time to change the battery,
get your ladder out and get up there and deal
with something that you may not be familiar.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
With it that I get it put back up properly?
Is it going to fall?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well, I live in a house. One time we live
in a home that the one in the room over.
We had a huge room over and it was they
placed it up high. But the only you get to
it was to have to place a ladder on the
steps to get right.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Genius.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
But anyway, they couldn't have to deal with that problem anymore.
But so it got ten year batteries and I did
not know that. Yes, now, is that can you buy
those first? What you may already have or is that
a special smoke detector that comes with a ten year battery?

Speaker 10 (41:34):
Well, you can buy them, you can, Yes, you can
go to the local hardware store and purchase a ten
year battery smoke alarm. Absolutely the ones we do list now, Yeah,
we carry them on our vans. You know, mister electric
can come out and give you turnkey service. We have
smoke detectors with smoke alarms. That's the true terminology form

(41:55):
smoke alarms, and they're multi criteria so they use different
technology to detect smoke or fires, and those are the
more they're they're the they're the recommended type of smoke
alarm to give you a better response rate, so it's
going to give you less nuisance alarms.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
But they also have a ten year battery.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So you know, I feel dumb because I thought I
smoke alarm as a smoke alarm, but apparently that's not
necessarily the truth.

Speaker 6 (42:25):
No.

Speaker 10 (42:25):
They they've advanced, like everything else, you know, so quick
to change the technology they have the way they detect
smoke or fire. There's a photoelectric and ionization technology. And
what that does is it's detecting if it's an open
flame or a smoldering fire.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Really yep.

Speaker 10 (42:46):
And they have you know, little microchips in them now
that can can.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Can check double check itself.

Speaker 10 (42:54):
And make sure, Hey, is this really something that I
need to be alarming about?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And UH, is there one particular type or one that
has particular functions or even a brand for that matter,
that that you and your experience have found is the
best to have if.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
The one we like, you know, it's a matter of opinion.
But the one that we install actually UH was on
consumer reports for being a very good uh smoke smoke
alarm and it's made by a company called you know
U s I U s I.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
You know, I'm not here for us I, but.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You to say that it's just what you like I did. Okay, Now,
what's what's the cost of one of these things here.

Speaker 10 (43:38):
You know, when we get the cost, I don't have
them in the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Uh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I mean, is it that that much more expensive than
say the one you just go pick up at Walmart
or something.

Speaker 10 (43:51):
They're a little more spendye for the for the alarm itself.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
You know, there's it's it.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
It's a variety of different races for different smoke alarms
of Uh. As far as what we purchase them for,
I don't. I don't have that information. But what we're
not talking about hundreds hundreds of dollars? No, is there
when it comes to where these alarms are located in

(44:18):
the home. I mean, is there a science to that
or is it just wherever the build or put it
when they build a house. There is a science to
it there there, you know, the way smoke flows through
your home, the way the way smoke rises in certain
uh circumstances. You know, if you if you put a
smoke detector or a smoke alarm, if you want to

(44:38):
say smoke detective, smoke alarm next to smoke detector.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Anyway, what you're saying.

Speaker 10 (44:43):
Next to a vent, you know that's moving air.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
You may have problems.

Speaker 10 (44:47):
So there's a distance you should be away from those
areas air intakes, returns, uh, you should selling fans, exhaust fans, bathrooms.
You need to be a certain this it's away from
different areas just based on the environment that they're going
to be exposed to to not confuse them, right, So

(45:11):
they need to be certain heights.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
They're always up high. Yeah, there's a reason for that.
I guess that's right.

Speaker 10 (45:16):
So if if you have a really high vaulted ceiling,
you may wonder why they put a smoke detector. You
so far up there you can't get to it. But
there's a reason for that. And it's normally because that
smoke is going to rise to the ceiling before it
starts filling up the house, and so it'll be running
across the top of the ceiling. You know, they always

(45:37):
tell you to get down on the floor and crawl
out of a fire, so you can hopefully stay out
of the smoke, because that's the clearest areas, closer to
the floor. So the ceiling is the most contaminated area
with smoke. And so that's why they put them in
the highest in the highest points of the home because
that's where the smoke is going to go.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Is there a rule as to how many you need
to have at a home? I guess based on the
square footage of the home. Is there a good rule
of thumb for that?

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Yeah, it's a you know, every thirty.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
You have a two story house, you're gonna need one
up and down.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Yeah, one on every level.

Speaker 10 (46:12):
A smoke detector in every bedroom, a smoke detector outside
the vicinity of every bedroom. So a certain footage really radius, yes,
and then you know common areas. If I remember correctly,
the radius is thirty foot. So if you have a
smoke detector down there in the area is greater than
thirty foot, now you need to outside that radius, you

(46:32):
need to add another one.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Well, let's say I don't know, let's say a two
thousand square foot home. They're all laid out differently, of course,
maybe a different number of rooms and such. But I mean,
how many smoke detectors are we alarms? Are we talking
about in your average two thousand square foot home?

Speaker 5 (46:49):
You know, i'd say about six or seven?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Really that many? Oh? Yeah, and I'm going to guess
that most people don't have that many?

Speaker 5 (46:54):
No, No, I know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Nope.

Speaker 10 (46:57):
That's the code, like we talked about before on the show,
is updated every three years and they find you know,
you know, they they take data and they find out,
you know, you want one in multiple in multiple locations
because you also want them to be interconnected. And what
that does is if a fire happens on one side
of the house and you're on the other side of

(47:18):
the house, all those smoke detectors are going to go off.
Rather than the smoke detector getting to where the one
rather than the smoke getting to the one smoke alarm
that you have in the home, half of the house
could be.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
A blaze at that point, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, And how is how does that work that they're interconnected?
Is that through an app or something or the wire?
How does that work?

Speaker 10 (47:41):
The best system is a hard wired system, and there's
a communication wire that runs in between them, all of them,
and they're and and they communicate with each other. So
when one goes off, they're all going to go off.
Give you a better response time.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Wow, Okay, yeah, so more than likely.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Unless your home is just built in the last year
or two three, maybe, then chances are probably pretty good.
That at least a code. You don't have enough of
these in your home right now?

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Wow? Who knew?

Speaker 10 (48:14):
Well, you know, because that's why we do the safety check.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
That's one of the reason.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
Yes, so we go, when we come out to your house,
we'll do a safety check on the electrical system and
give you an idea how you can make your system
safer because of the all the new safety devices that
we have coming out that make your electrical system a
lot safer for you. And you know, that's one of
the most dangerous systems in your house. I put that

(48:42):
next to gas. You know, is electricity flowing through your
walls everywhere throughout your home and you want to make
sure it's maintained properly and that you have all the
safety devices in place that can help protect you.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I'm just gonna bet that every time you do one
of these things, it's a real eye opener for the
home or business owner.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
Enlighten them a great deal.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Really does wow.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
While we're on the topic of co two detectors also something. Yes,
so you ought to have yes, best placement for those
and we have it in our bedroom because it's like, okay,
we would seem that that would be you know, if
you're asleep, that's when you really of course it's odorless,
right SEEO too is odorless.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
So right silent killer.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, I guess maybe multiple CO two detectors in a home.
Two would be the best idea.

Speaker 10 (49:31):
Yeah, you definitely want one on every level. Okay, if
you have a garage it's attached to your home, and
you don't have any gas on your home, you still
want to have COEO.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Detectors on every level.

Speaker 10 (49:44):
One on every level at least minimum, and then one
where that door accesses the house from the garage on
the garage.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
That makes sense.

Speaker 10 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, so that's just for a few leave left
left your car running and the garage door shut, you
got you know, carbon monoxide entering into the home and
so uh and then if you have gas on the home,
you definitely want to have your carbon monoxide detectors. The
ones the brand we install, uh, like I said, they

(50:16):
have we have a three in one that detects smoke, fire,
and carbon. Well that we can do it all in
one unit. And yeah, so uh, multi criteria type are
the best ones, man, and and the ones we install
have a ten year battery uh, and so, and then
when we talk about the cost.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Of them, you know.

Speaker 10 (50:38):
It's a fair price for everybody, and especially when you
consider the statistics that you find.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
The alternative not having them.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
If you go to the.

Speaker 10 (50:47):
National Fire Protection Association website, you can get a lot
of information on there. I think it is uh, if
I remember correctly, three of five fire deaths happening homes
with either no smoke alarms or no working smoke alarm.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
All right, yeah, a year about that all the time? Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, Jeremy, how today he is mister Electric around these parts,
get ahold of them. Whether it's a safety check or
you have an electrical need, they can certainly take care
of you. How do folks reach Jeremy?

Speaker 10 (51:16):
You can reach us at eight zero three eight six
eight four two four three, or go to our website
mister Electric dot com forward slash Columbia.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
All right, good to seeaybody, Good to see you.

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