Home Improvement Show 05-23-26

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Good morning and welcome now the Home Improvement Show with
the Midlands on one O three point five FM and
five sixty AMWVOC and of course always on the free
iHeartRadio app. It is Memorial Day weekend. It's good to
have you along. My name is Gary David and coming up,
we've got some folks gonna join us on this Memorial
Day weekend to talk about your home, your business, fix
it up or get it fixed. Moskeita Joe's owner Trey

(00:29):
Powe will be by with rain forecast for this weekend.
The mosquito population is going to jump. We'll talk about
what you can do about it. To some DIY tips
heading your way from the owner of the Finishing Touch Team,
Russ Markesy. We'll also talk about removing popcorn from ceilings
in that cabinet painting special they got on too. They

(00:50):
always especially do this all the time, say folks, lots
and lots of money. So that's coming up on the
program this morning. First up, let's say hi to Jeremy Holliday,
mister Electric. Hi Jeremy, Hey, good morning Gary. How are
you brother, How are you? I'm well, yeah, well, Happy
Memorial Day weekend to you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Happy memory of the day weekend. I'm here to talk
about panel changes today.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
It sounds like, yeah, we've been we've been talking the
last couple of segments with you about that that that
panel on your home. It's the brains, it's the hard
it's the everything. And I guess if it ain't right,
ain't nothing right right?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, so uh, you know, yeah, sometimes we come in
and we can do just a panel change, and uh
and and and sometimes it can be called a you know,
a panel upgrade or a service upgrade. But those are
two different things. So that's just what you know. It's
pretty simple stuff, but it's good to know if you're

(01:47):
getting a quote on a panel change.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, well let me start off with this. Uh, which
one's going to cost you more, the change or the upgrade?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
The upgrade most likely you know, definitely cost you more.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay. I kind of thought that might want or there's
more involved. Okay, So when you talk about a panel change, Jeremy,
what is what is involved in that?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
So a panel change typically what you're doing, if the
terminology is correct, and this is why you need to know,
just to make sure and clarify what you're what's going
to be done. Is a panel change would be taking
the old panel out and replacing it with a like panel,
obviously a new one, and then replacing the breakers with

(02:35):
like breakers and again obviously new and using the existing
service wire and an apacity of the panel, so the
capacity of it won't grow, you know, as far as
capacity goes, but you may get more spaces in it,
which is good, you know. So if you have if

(02:59):
you have a two hundred panel, a lot of times
you're gonna get another two hundred amp panel and that
would be a panel change. If you if you have
a hundred amp service and you get your panel replaced, typically, uh,
you would be looking for a service upgrade, a panel
upgrade where you're gonna you're gonna upsize that service and

(03:20):
panel to a two hundred amp so that it's more
capable of running today's needs in your home.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
What's more coming. I'm just gonna a wild guess. Your
older homes may have a one hundred amp and newer
homes of two hundred amps. Would that be accurate to say?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, that would be spot on normally an older home
just because we don't we didn't have as many things
back then that we like to do and run on electricity. Uh,
and today we do that. Typically a newer home will
come with a two hundred amp service.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
What's what's there's there's no heart and fast rules here,
I know, Jeremy, but you know, if you had a
ballpark it what's the what's the the kind of the
cutoff date? When we started building homes with the bigger
capacity panels before my time? Okay, so when I.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Got into when I got into the electrical trade, you know,
we were putting in two hundred ant panels. It was
pretty typical, you know on any new single family home.
You know, if you live in a condo, you know,
a something of that sort, then you may have one

(04:32):
hundred hundred and twenty five a panel, which is all
you would need. But when it comes to single family homes,
you know, you would typically have a two hundred amp
service on that home.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Would it be?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I would say that's been going on for like probably
thirty years now, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, okay, gotcha. Now let's back up for a second.
So what would be the reasons why I get it
for a panel upgrade? You just don't have a service
required to to run everything you've you packed in your
house now and plugged into the wall. But for a
panel change, what would be some of the reasons that
would would we wouldn't necessitate just changing out the panel, Jeremy.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
So you know on the last episode, I know we
discussed warning signs with your panel. So if you have
a two hundred amp service and your panel, say, for instance,
has some discoloration in it, aren't marks. We've come across
panels where the panel bus is completely painted and these

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would cause you to need to have that panel replaced,
but not necessarily have your service upgraded. Everything runs fine
off the two hundred amps, but there's something wrong with
that panel, and that's why we need to replace the panel,
and we don't have to upgrade the service.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, So again, if you've got a two hundred technology
two hundred amp panel and then more than likely that
the panel changes is all that's needed. So the upgrade
would come in if you've got one of the older
panels and you're just not supplying enough capacity to run
everything of the house, that's right.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
So if you have a you know, one hundred, one
hundred and twenty five vamp service, you know you've added
some things to the home. The wiring has been updated.
Maybe you want to get a hot tub, maybe you
want to get an EV charger, and the panel capacity
just isn't there as far as amverage. Well, now you
would need a panel upgrade, and that would constitute a.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Service change, a service.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Upgrade where we'd have to replace the panel, the wire
that goes from the panel, you know, that feeds that
panel from the meter and the meter can itself, and
then add a emergency disconnect out there and do complete
new grounding system for that service to bring it up
the current code standards.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Then we talk about also including ground fault and art
fault protection style breakers in that new panel.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
So to use your example of maybe maybe you put
a hot tub in, this is one of the one
of the things that you know, folks are considering doing
something like that. They look at the cost of a
hot tub and say, yeah, let's do it. That that
cost of buying that hot tub is not going to
be potentially the only cost you're going to have to
incur to make sure it works. I guess that is
what I'm hearing. That's right.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So it's it's uh, you know, if you have a
two hundred and ant service you're pretty safe with adding
a hot tub, and there's also other ways you don't
typically you know, I mean you don't necessarily have to
do a service upgrade.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
You have several different.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Ways you can invest your money and make it more
economical where we we can we can install a power
management device that goes in between the panel h and
the hot tub and can monitor your service and if
it's starting to become overloaded it was it was shut

(08:08):
off that hot tub to where it does it overload
uh that service.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So there there are other ways.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
But with our discussion today as far as the difference
between a panel change and a panel upgrade service upgrade, uh,
those would be some reasons why, say, you know, if
a guys, if a person's like, you know, I want
to get this, but I'm also going to add some
other stuff in the future, and I want to invest

(08:37):
my money a certain way. It's going to build value
for the home if I decide to sell it to
have a two hundred amp service as opposed to one
hundred amp service, you know, and and they just they
just want to invest their money whichever they have choices,
they can invest it, uh in a service upgrade, panel upgrade,
or a power control uh uh management system. So there's

(09:00):
several different ways we could do it. But you know,
the difference would be are you getting a panel change
or are you getting a panel upgrade?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So doing an upgrade, Jeremy, does that beyond the actual
panel itself and the circuit breakers and everything else? Does
that involve more wiring going out to other outlets around
the home and such or is that necessary.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Only if it's added in there.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's another thing is just because you have a panel
change doesn't necessarily mean that the It doesn't mean it
absolutely does not mean that your circuitry in your home
has changed. It's the same wiring in your home that
you have and the wires, if you think of it
as they all just go to that panel and they
terminate inside that panel, and that those wires aren't being

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changed out.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
The panels new.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
The breakers are new. You may have some added protection
inside that panel based on what type of breakers we install,
but your circuitry throughout the home will remain the same
unless we've you know, added some dedicated circuits where we've
run some new wires to certain things. Because we know
there's areas where you need extra power.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Is there ever an instance where somebody has the newer panel,
the two hundred a panel I think is the way
the proper terminology. Correct me if I'm wrong, Now you're
but yet there's still a reason why they need something
more or is there anything more?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, So we've run into situations where a home, you know,
a newer home, has a two hundred amp panel on it,
and when the person bought the home, it had an
unfinished basement that could be upgraded and finished, and that
person put in a fool kitchen, put in another laundry room,

(11:03):
made it essentially, you know, a basement apartment, and trying
to run it off of that two hundred amp service
with someone living down there wasn't adequate. And so we
have to come in and we can upgrade to a
four hundred amp service. Okay, now, yeah, so there is
you can go to a four hundred amp service if
you need it. And a lot of times, you know,

(11:24):
when we come in, we can do a load calculation.
It's a lot easier now with all the technology that
we have, we don't have to pull out the paper
pen and calculator. A lot of times there's an app
you can use and you can calculate the load on
your home and see if that service is going to
be adequate for what you're adding to the home.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I guess you you'd know. I mean, if you
start adding too many things to your current panel, I
guess what's going to happen. These just gonna start shutting
off on you. Breakers are going to trip. I mean
a heady you know that you don't have what you
need to to do everything you're trying to do.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So the so if your service isn't isn't adequate, you've
added stuff, Uh, the main breaker will trip if you
have a main if the homes older, yeah, that main
breaker can trip. So if you're overloading the service, that's
what will trip. If you're overloading the circuit, an individual circuit,
then that branch circuit breaker will trip. You know, it

(12:24):
can cause you know, like, oh, I think we've discussed
you know, we've discussed in the past where the warning
signs that there's something your your home's given you warning
signs if the panel's buzzing or it's it's feeling warm,
it's getting hot. You have breakers tripping constantly, especially if
you've added something to that system. Uh, and it starts

(12:45):
occurring right after that. You may know and narrow it
down to we're doing too much, asking too much out
of this system. We need to get this system upgraded. Uh,
but you definitely need electrician to come out and take
a look at that service if you have any of
those symptoms going on in your home.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Should we assume, Jeremy that again, I'm going back to
the hot tub example for a second, that anybody that
would be shopping for something like that which is consume
a lot of electricity, a lot of energy, that the
people that are buying it from would know this and
warn them of this ahead of time so they don't
wind up getting get installed and realizing then there's a problem.

(13:24):
Or should we not make that assumption.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
No, I wouldn't make that assumption. That would be nice
in a perfect world. Yeah, but as we know, businesses,
we're trying to we're in business to make a profit. Sure,
and so if we're talking you know, it's helpful, right,
but that's something that's really not their responsibility, and so
I definitely wouldn't be going off of that. You may

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find a really nice guy that starts asking you about
your service and so this episode will help you. If
you have a two hundred and amp service and you
don't have anything more than what's in a normal home,
you should be fine getting a hot tub on on
that service. And you can look on your main breaker.
So you know, I always say don't open your panel up.

(14:10):
You can open the door on the panel to see
your breakers and see a lot of times it'll tell
you in there either be written on the breaker, the
main the biggest breaker in there, if you have a
main two hundred amp or you can read the label
on that door and sometimes it'll let you know what's
on there, you know, two hundred amp service.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
That's good to know. Okay, good, So, so again to recap,
if you've got a two hundred amp breaker in there,
then if if some more it needs to be done
in upgrade needs to be made, that would be a
panel change. Unless again, like you say, you're adding a
whole nother floor of fitting out a basement or whatever
and adding a lot of stuff to it, that's would
typically be just you change out the panel. It's a
you know, a more cost effective option. But if you've

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got an older home with that smaller capacity size, then
that's when you need to be talking about upgrading the panel,
is that right?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's right, and upgrade that panel from So if you
have one hundred amp, you need to get to a
two hundred amp that would be an upgrade.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
All right, So this is this is good, great information. Jeremy,
thanks for sharing with us this morning on the Home
Improvement Show in the middles I appreciate that, brother you
have you always come with really good stuff, man, because
let's face it, this is I say this all the
time of you and I talk. You know, we always homeowners.
We may know how to you know, paint something or
or do this or do that, but when it comes

(15:30):
to electricity, it's a whole different ballgame. And these are
things we just don't understand, you know. Maybe well maybe
to help Gary. Yeah, well, good, good time on it.
We appreciate that, my friend. All right. So, whether you
have an issue going on right now, or you're concerned
about you know, adding something on or or whatever. I mean,
you guys are there or twenty four to seven to respond,

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no matter what the issue is, it's mister electric and
Jeremy tell us how folks can best reach you, my friend,
So you.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Can find us online mister Electric dot Com Forward Slash Columbia,
or you can call us at eight zero three eight
six eight four to two, four to three.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
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on one oh three point five FM and five sixty AMWVOC. Now,
I've been telling the story all this past week. Last
Saturday night, my wife had all the neighborhood gals over
for a big outdoor party, and Trey Powell now from
Mosquito Joe is with us. And I'm happy to report
Trey because I checked not a single mosquito bite after

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about three hours outdoors. Yes, thanks to you guys. Now,
we weren't worried about that because we've been using you
long enough to know what Mosquito Joe. What a great
job that Barier spray does in keeping those skeeters out
of the backyard. And and now all the.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Ladies, you know, you've lived in the South Carolina Midlands
for long enough to know that it's always a threat. Yeah, yeah,
you think it can be a big, big problem. So
I'm glad that glad we got you through your event
and unscathed.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Totally unscathed. Yes, So that was Hayes Tomorrow Day weekend,
and well, you know, I'm not sure there'd be too
many outdoor things going on this weekend based on this forecast,
but also based on this forecast, if it all comes
to pass, that's going to mean well, come next week
you may be seeing a lot more of those things

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in your backyard.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, as we have finally started getting you know some rain,
you know in the uh, in the weather. Uh, the
the uptick of mosquitoes is getting back on far with
where you know, where it normally is at this time
of the year. We had a little break in in April.
Population probably went down a little bit from where it

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normally is because we had a gosh, probably the driest
April I've ever seen. But but once once the rain
came back, there's you know, there's there's eggs started hatching again.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
And and yep does the does they fortunately, Yeah, we
know that that the rain has the big effect on
exploding that population. Uh. And we know like when you
get towards the end of the mosquito season, it gets
you know, cold enough certain number of nights in a row,
and it it kind of starts getting rid of them.
But this time of year, does it make a difference
whether it's eighty five degrees outside or ninety five.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
You know it it can make for a a better
for it can make conditions better because.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Of you know, the humidity and you know the heat
can can.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Help or cause you know, more organic stuff to grow.
You know, mosquitoes like dirty water. They don't they don't
want clean water. It's it takes all you know, they
need something with heavy organic material in it. And when
you have a lot of heat, that that causes that
stuff to grow faster and you know, make that water,

(21:13):
you know, more appetizing for for mosquito larva to flourish.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
They like the junk, huh.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
All they do. I mean, in fact, an open sewer
would be their favorite.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Really if you I mean if you if if if
you have a manhole cover right there at the corner
of your your lotter, I guess that could leads you
to a bigger issue. Huh No, man, I'll go up
one of these actual issues where we see.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Issues or or people that have you know, septic systems
that you know are faulty or open or you know,
things like that, and you know, they'll they'll end up
having to flush larva side down the toilet to treat
the this their septic area, because it's become a mosquito

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you know, breeding machine, because yeah, that's very, very heavily
organic water, which is ideal. You know, the more, the
grosser it is, probably the better.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, Well, there's a lesson there for all of us,
isn't it. I'm sure that now Again, any like the
home we lived in before this one, we had that
creek out back, and when we first bought that house
that concerned me, and I guess I hadn't been over
there since we had all this drought going on. That
creek bed may have dried up. I don't know, but

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let's say that example like that, If that creek bed
did kind of dry up, it's still moist. That becomes
a mosquito breeding ground, right, it.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Does well, you know, in the situation you had with
that creek, you know, when it was actively flowing. You know,
mosquitoes will not larva will not lay eggs in water
that's moving. You know, the larva are not going to
do well in water that's moving. But when you've got
a lot of pockets that are sitting still, that's ideal.

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And so when you have a little bit of a
drought time, things like creeks that they don't dry up completely,
but they dry up to where it's a bunch of puddles,
you know, all down the creek bed. That becomes a
worse situation, you know, than when the creek is actually flowing.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Right, So, as long as you've got moving water, you're okay.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Or clean water, oh yeah, moving water is certainly ideal.
You want it. You know, the more it's moving the better,
because they can't sit on that water and lay eggs.
All they can do is lay them on the bank
and hope that the eggs get picked up when the
water rises, and then it carries the eggs downstream and
deposits them into water that's not moving.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
So now with amorrow of day weekend here, I suspect
anybody with the pool has already opened it up by now,
so maybe the point is moved at least for this season.
But when that does happen, when people, you know, they
cover it over for the year or they don't have
it running, and when you open it up and you
got to get it cleaned up, even though you may
have cut the pump on and got the water moving.
Is that going to be an issue for you for
mosquito infestation?

Speaker 5 (24:08):
The biggest issue with that I see with pools is
when they turn green.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, when the pools.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Are clean, they are not mosquito you know, breeding mosquitoes
at all. And it's more about the water is just
too clean. Then it is about you know, the water moving,
because most pools don't move enough unless they've got like
a fountain in them or something like that. Oh, really
to distract mosquitoes. But the but the mosquitoes are not

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going to lay eggs in.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Clean pool water.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
When it's green, They're absolutely going to lay eggs and
they're going to be attracted to that. And you know
when you see a pool that is just you know,
been let go, Uh, that thing can start breeding mosquitoes.
That will affect the whole neighborhood just because of the
sheer volume. Okay, so I've seen that happen before.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So even with the with the pump on and the
water moving, if it's green, you're still gonna have an issue. Okay,
I didn't realize that. Yeah, interesting, I mean.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
You can have issues with a pool cover that's holding
water on the top, you know, because that's going to
become organic and not moving.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, you've mentioned that before. That's something else think about. Yeah,
you're right, Yeah, it doesn't take it doesn't take much.
You've told us before. It doesn't take a whole lot
to get them breeding, right.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
It doesn't. Yeah, I mean they can. You can get
one hundred mosquitos out of a bottle cap to just
keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Wow, okay, So question becomes, what do you do about it?

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Call Mosquito Joe.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
There you go, eight five five Aska Joe. Problem solved.
How do you go as guy? How do you go about?
But what can a first time customer expect when they
call eight five five Aska Joe? And by the way,
if you've never tried this service before, you still offer
that first treatment for a very low, low cost.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Right, Yeah, it's only thirty nine dollars. We'll let anybody
try up to half an acre we can do.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's well below cost.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
I mean, the the ongoing services after that will obviously
be more. But you know, if they want to try it,
they've never tried us before, we do offer that. We
want to we want to earn their business.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
The right way.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Okay, so you know the but you know, the biggest
thing I.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Think that surprises people is that we spend about half
of our time larva siding. We you know, the big
key is you've got to cut the breeding cycle. You
got to find where they're breeding and and cut them
off at that level. If you stop them from breeding,
you will instantly lower the population on that property significantly.

(26:37):
And so you know, if you're if you're looking at
mosquito services from you know, a company, make sure that
they're a larva siding. If they're not larva siding, which
is what most companies are doing that are offering.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
The service on the side is it's just kind of
what we call.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
The spray and prey method, which is your spray in
the yard, your spray and the folios. You're killing the
adult mosquitos, but right behind them is an army of
eggs that are hatching and larva that produce. You know,
the mosquitoes just keep coming and you're never going to
get the results that you want. You've got to take
a two tiered approach. You've got to find the water,

(27:11):
find the standing water, which is not easy, and treat
it and keep it treated. So that no new mosquitoes
are being born on that property. And then you spray
the property and you eliminate the adults and bingo. Now
next thing you know, you're like, wow, that's a huge difference.
It's a very noticeable difference. And you can keep it
that way by keeping that on a very routine schedule.

(27:34):
Every single three weeks, you're relarviciding and re applying that
barrier spray.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I want to I'm gonna guess that's the mistake that
most folks make when they try to diy this thing, right,
They get something to spray out there and think that's
all they gotta do, and you find it pretty quick,
Like you said that that doesn't get it done.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Yeah, I mean everything has some effectiveness.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
I mean there's all kinds of little gimmicks and traps,
and you know, you can plant flowers and you know
certain things that are mosquito repellents and they they all
work a little bit, but nothing.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
It will is going to you know, replace a.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Professional you know application where you're both larva siding and
treating for the adults. You know that one two punch
and doing that consistently every three weeks is going to
keep you ahead of the game and write where you
want to be.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
So just for grins, I mean, in a hypothetical situation,
this is not the way you guys do it, but
just I'm just just for grits here. If you were
to come out and larva side only and not put
down that barrier spray to kill the existing mosquitoes, but
all you came out and larvasided, you got rid of
all those eggs. How long would it be before somebody
noticed a difference?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Usually on programs like that, which we we do that.
You know, there are some programs that we do well.
We will do that. It's very rarely that we're actually
doing that.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
But there's other companies that offer that.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
It takes it's about four to six weeks before you're
really seeing a big difference because you've got to give
the existing mosquitos the opportunity to live out their life.
You know, the exit that that's going to have zero
effect on existing on the existing mosquito population, and then

(29:19):
it's going to it will make a big difference as
far as lowering the population. But what it doesn't help
with is any mosquitoes that might be wandering over from
a neighboring property. And so those are not going to
hit a barrier spray, They're just going to if they
come over, they're gonna again live out their life and
lay eggs in a place that the eggs are not

(29:42):
going to you know, not going to flourish because theirs
are being eliminated. But you know, again it's it has
some level of effectiveness, but it's a it's a one punch,
not a one to two punch. Most people, if you're
going to pay for this, you really want them gone.
They just don't want to have a problem at all.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, you mentioned it occasionally you guys are asked to
do that, is there is there a reason why somebody
would want to just do it like that.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
I mean a person who just really doesn't want anything sprayed,
they really don't want any insecticides on their property. They
can choose a property you know method like that. You know,
most of the bee keepers that we treat, we we
actually spray their property also, but some you know a
bee keeper might want to just have a larva side.

(30:30):
You know, there's there there's some you know, there's some
of these you know traps that we can you know,
get and install that that will that will hire the
mosquitos to help you.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
And basically when they ever they go in.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
And and lay their eggs, they will pick up the material.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
Out of that bucket and then they will deposit that.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
In all the other you know, little water holes around
the yard and to to help spread that larva side around,
you know. And that's another effective technique. It's not as
effective as doing that and spraying on top of it,
but it does work.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's similar to what you do with termites, isn't it
sometimes or other critters that do you actually could use
them to spread it for you.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Sort of. So with like a termite bait station, you know,
termites will pick that up and they will take that
product and share it with the colony. Uh, it's just
a that is what that is called like a delayed kill,
like they will once they consume it, it doesn't kill
them for a week, and so that gives them a
chance to share it with as many other you know

(31:42):
folks in the colony as possible, so that by the
time they realize that one of them is going down,
they're all going down. And so that is called you
know that we do that with you know, home pest
defense we'll put a product around the outside of the house.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
That is a bait.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
And that's how a bait works is that it's it
looks like food, acts.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Like food, and they eat it.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
And you know, the queen will usually not eat anything
that is brought back to the colony for a few days,
make sure that it's good, and in a few days
there's no nothing going on. And by the time they
know there's an effect, everybody's eating it, and the queen
as well.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
If you take out the queen, you take out that takes.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Out the colony that works with ants, with roaches and
other things.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
This is actually using the mosquito to spread larva.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Side and you know, they pick it up and then.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
They spread that larva side to other water sources to
eliminate larva in the other sources. But it really doesn't
have a big effect on the mosquito unless they pick
up a lot of it.

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Speaker 1 (34:36):
And Welcome back to the Home Improveman Show the Midlands
on one O three point five FM and five sixty AMWVOC.
So good to have you with us this morning. We
appreciate that I'm Gary David, now joined by Russ Markasey,
nearly a core of a century good Morning's are nearly
twenty five years in business here in the Middlands, the
Finishing Touch Team. How you doing, buddy, I'll.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Do a great Gary. Good to be here this morning.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
We were talking in the break here that you got
peppered with questions here recently by somebody inside your organization.
I sure did, who wanted to do their own little
paint job, and it had a lot of questions before
and after the fact, so that'd be a good let's
talk about some of those things. This morning was if
if you owe some you know, some tips for those

(35:22):
di wires out there.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, absolutely, Gary. So yeah, yeah, as you said, you know,
our office manager, she she had a little project that
she was doing on the side for her for her
son actually, and so I thought it'd be good to
ask career, did you have any uh, you know, burning
questions that you had. And of course she was asking
me some questions you know, during during the process of
it all she was doing it. But but boy, she

(35:44):
had some good questions Gary. And you know, she she
was asking about the different types of paint and when
to use the different types of pain versus late tax
oil based pains, primers, things like that. Yeah, and uh
so it got us, Yeah, it got us on a good,
good subject there of when and where to use them,

(36:07):
When to pull tape off of uh you know, trim
or a or a wall when you've taped something around
it and you've painted already, things like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, well, I guess maybe the most important one is
using the right kind of pain. How you've told us before.
You if you use the wrong type of paint on
top of the other type of paint, you can have
a real problem, right.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
That's for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Man.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It's uh, it's detrimental actually the type of products that
you use, and you've got to do some research on
it or ask a professional or get a professional for
that matter. But you really do because it's just imperative you.
We always like to test the paint before we apply
another product on there. And you can do that very

(36:48):
simply by putting some the natured alcohol on a rag
and trying to rub on that on that paint surface
to see if the paint comes off or not, to
see if it's latex or oil. Okay, and so do
that a lot of times. What will also do is
will feel the type of trim and just obviously from
doing it a long time, we can tell kind of
what's what. But the old saying is, obviously you know

(37:09):
you don't want to put latex over an oil based paint,
but you can always put an oil based paint over
a latex. Now, get I get some confusion sometimes because
of the primers. Because a primer, like a lot of
the good primers that we use. Are are oil based primers.
There are petroleum based is what they call it, oil base.

(37:30):
Those are universal bonding primers. And you know stain blocker primers.
You can go back over those with latex. The way
they formulate those, those are are penetrating primers, so you
can go over those with a latex. So I get
some confusion on that sometimes when it comes to those primers,
but it's it's it's it's real important to use those

(37:52):
primers as well. Whenever anything is raw gary, raw wood,
raw sheet rock, things like that. If a wall has
already been painted, there's no need to prime that wall
just because you're changing colors. That's a that's an old
old wives tale type thing. And listen, you know we
get some customers sometimes that that want that regardless, and uh,

(38:15):
you know it doesn't matter to us. Well, my saying is,
we'll put pink polka dots on the wall if you want.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
It's customers always there no, no.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
No worries on our end, you know. Yeah, but uh,
but you don't need to. You don't need to because
that surface is already feeled. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, so well that's that's I guess. You know, you
tell me That's probably one of the biggest mistakes we
make is di I wires just using the wrong type
of pain on top of the wrong type of pain.
What happens when you do that time? What happens when
you do that when you make that mistake? Russ.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, So let's say you Let's say you make a
mistake and there was some oil based pain on something
on some trim in your house and you put latex
over it. What isn't happening is it peels off super easy.
Areat you know, if you if you look at it wrong,
it starts to peel off. Really but you'll notice, you know,
if you're vacuuming and you've done your baseboards and you
hit hit the baseboard with a vacuum, that code of

(39:07):
paint tends to peel off, is what it does. And
you can get your nail in there and just scrape
it right off. Sometimes we see it all the time,
not only residential Gary, but we see it in commercial
facilities constantly. A lot of schools that we that we
do painting in, you know, they have you know, just
keep random people touching up throughout the year, just trying

(39:27):
to help just you know, get in door frames touched
up and things, and they don't use the right products.
And we see that quite a bit where where they've
put latex over an oil based paint, and really there's
there's not a whole lot of fixes for that once
you've done that, Gary, So you want to really make
sure that you're putting the right product on there from
the get go, because once you have done that, like

(39:50):
I said, there's not a whole lot of options other
than trying to sand off as much of that old
that first coding as possible, and then you want a
prime it with something a bonding primer, lock that down
and encapsulate that coding. Then you can go over it
with uh, basically anything that you want at that point.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
So you're you're to cashup a lot of extra time
and money if you do it wrong the first time.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
So it can yeah, yeah, you want to do it
right the first time, you know. And uh, you know,
I I get calls all the time, Gary, from from
just different folks that you know, we just have different
questions about things, and uh, you know, I love answering
things like that for people because they don't make the
mistake and they don't you know, waste their time or
money going through that stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
We we do that all the.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Time, man.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
We answer a lot of questions from a lot of folks.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
So I'm intrigued by this taping up question. Man. Uh uh,
Mainly once you do, how long do you wait before
you take it off? I think I've made that mistake
before and I've ripped it off there and there went
the pain with it, man.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
And the paint went with it, didn't it. Yeah, that
was that was one of the questions she had for me,
because she was they were painting windows of what they
were doing, so, you know, and it's kind of a
it's kind of a a twofold question here, because the
real question is do you have a second coat to
put on? So let's say we're let's let's take a
window for example. Uh, you know, a six paneled window.

(41:12):
There's panels all over the place, and it takes a
long time to tape one of those windows up. So
to remove all of that tape and then have to
put another coat on and retape it first is a
lot of extra labor. So if you have a second
coat to put on, then now you don't want to
remove the tape obviously, because it's going to take a
long time to do that to retape it. But if

(41:34):
if you don't have to put a second coat on,
or you do have to put the second coat on,
what you do is you just take your you take
a razor blade knife and you cut the corner of it.
Because what ends up happening is that paint forms a
seal over it. It's like a skin at the corner
of the window and where the tape is. So if
you take a razor blade knife and you break that
edge and you cut it, that tape should pull off

(41:54):
pretty darn't easily, and it shouldn't take the paint.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Along with it. Okay, A good tip. And how long
do you wait before you remove that tape? Russ.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So that's a great question, Gary, You you really want
to always try to remove that tape when the paint
is still wet.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Really if you can't.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yes, sir, because what ends up happening when it when
it dries, obviously it forms that forms that skin onto
the tape corner right there.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
So makes sense.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
But again, if you've got to put a second coat on,
you got to do what you got to do, and
you just got to remember you have to take a
razor blade to cut that edge right there to make
sure it doesn't pull. But yeah, if if it's just
a one coat kind.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Of clean up thing and you need to uh, you.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Know, paint something out with one coat, remove the tape
when the paint is still wet, is the u is
the best way to do.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
That, So you can you could basically paint that paint
that when in this case, that window frame and as
soon as you're done, remove the pat and remove the tape.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Take it right off, remove the tape exactly. Anything. If
you're if you're doing a ceiling and you're taping the
you know, the walls up, you want to try to
remove that tape as quickly as possible and that paint
still still drive and you know, and if you made them,
if you took a little too long and it started
to dry, you know, just keep in mind you got
to take a knife and just cut that edge right there,
and it should come off with a lot of ease.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I bet that's a pretty common mistake people DA wires make.
They I can't take the tape off quite yet for
whatever reason. And all the time, okay, interesting, interesting, Yeah, yeah,
it's it's all the time.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
We see it all the time. It's it just pulls
it off. Sometimes it'll pull off the you know, if
you're if you're putting your tape on the wall, it
will actually pull the paint off of the wall a
little bit sometimes unfortunately. And uh you know when when
we see that happening, it's generally because the wall behind
it wasn't primed properly and so that coding is coming
off as what happens. So you know, you got to

(43:42):
have a little bit of touch up paint on hand
to take care of little spots like that.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Right, Any other burning questions your office manager head before
doing or after her projects, Well.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
They you know, I think it's an investment property or
something that they're doing. And so they removed their their
old flooring and carpet and it was just, you know what,
there was a smell in there. They had animals in
their prior apparently, and so she was asking me, is
there anything we can do before putting her floor down,
and uh, I gave her the advice of putting like

(44:14):
a Kills primer on that sub floor first. Yes, to
just completely lock it down all the odors and smells
and stains. It's a really good idea to do that
and just put a real nice, good heavy coat on
that sub floor and then you put your flooring over it,
and that really helps with any further smells or anything
once you put your new flooring in.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Somehow I was one of the big ones. Yeah, I
happened to know that that little trick. Actually, my wife
knew that. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, that's
a real Hey, while I got you a couple of
things we want to talk. We've talked about them in
the past, but let's let's revisit them here in the
last five or six minutes or so we have left
in the program this morning. Two things. Number one, you guys,

(44:54):
I didn't know this for the longest time. You guys
remove popcorn ceilings on a pretty regular base. That is
a massive job and if not done ray can lead
to very big problems. Right.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do quite a bit
of it. You know, it depends on It comes off
with ease if if the popcorn has never been painted before,
but if once the popcorn has been painted, it becomes
a little bit harder to remove, not not impossible, but
a little bit harder. So generally we like to. I

(45:28):
like to go and do a little bit of a
test sample just to see if if the ceiling has
been painted or not, and then we can we can
go about the proper way of doing it. But we
have you know, power tools. It's it's called a fest
tool and it's hooked up to a HAPA vacuum, so
there's hardly any mess anymore. And it just removes that popcorn,

(45:48):
you know, like butter. It just takes it right off.
That's really the easy part, Gary. The hard part is
once you've removed it, you have to repair this ceiling
skin coat with drywall compound. You know. That's the that's
the real, real labor intensified part of that, because that'll take,
you know, all of a couple couple runs through a
couple of coats of doing that to get it right.

(46:11):
Let's face it, they put the popcorn up there for
a reason. It's cheaper, it's faster, and what they're doing
is they're hiding all of that with that texture, whereas
they don't have to skim coat that ceiling like perfect
like a slick ceiling like you'd see, Gary, you know,
So that's what that's for. So once you remove it,
obviously you have to fix all that and bring it
back to a nice smooth sleck ceiling again.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Ever seen, but I have ever seen an instance where you
you you went on one of these jobs and you
remove the popcorn, and man, no matter what you tried
to do, you just couldn't get that ceiling smooth. I mean,
it's can it be that bad? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
No, honestly, Gary, not really unless there was something hidden
behind there that that you couldn't see before. But a
lot of times, you know, you can. You can look
at a popcorn ceiling. I mean, how many times have
you been somewhere and you look at a popcorn ceiling.
You can see all the repairs that have been made,
all the patches and spots that have been done right.
You can you can tend to see those, so you know,

(47:12):
you can kind of figure if they've got a bigger problem,
underlying problem in the ceiling. But for the most part,
you know that drywall compound will do wonders. You just
got to know what you're doing with it.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
Put enough of it on and put enough coats on.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
It, and then and then and you can get a
pre smooth. You really can't.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Someone else, you guys, do, and you do a lot
of this and people are very appreciative. Is instead of
replacing cabinets, you guys not only can refinish, but with
the folks you work with, I mean, change the shape
and structure of cabinets right and save a lot of
money process. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
We we just we love doing the cabinets here, Gary,
It's it's one of our fortes here. We absolutely love
doing them because it makes such a big difference in
somebody's kitchen. It just transforms everything. You get so much
baying for your buck when you when you go this route.
You know, I keep telling.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
Folks and preaching it, but look, I mean, you know, for.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
For an average cost of I'm gonna say anywhere's from
fifteen hundred dollars to three thousand dollars, okay, you can
get your cabinets completely transformed and repainted versus I mean,
I guess at the minimal replacing doors, you know, eight
to ten thousand dollars, replacing the cabinets completely, you know,

(48:28):
on upwards to to you know, in the twenties. Gary.
So it's a fraction of the price and it's a
lot of bang for your buck. And we we really
enjoy doing them. We have a great system for doing them.
We have a state of the art spray booth here
at our office in our shop, so we we actually
remove all the doors and we bring them to our
shop to have them everything done in our spray booth

(48:50):
and they come out absolutely beautiful, looking like glass when
we're done.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
And again, you work at folks who can let's say that,
you know, you don't want to refinished, but you want
to actually modify them in some way, shape or form.
You guys work with folks who do that too, And
you did quite quite quite a We.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
We sure do, Gary, Yeah, we work with quite a
few cabinet guys. One of the most typical things that
I'll see is where cabinets don't go all the way
up to the ceiling. There's you know, a gap up
at the top, about a one foot one and a
half foot gap. I see a lot of people filling
that gap and bringing it all the way up to
the ceiling and then adding a piece of crown molding

(49:27):
to it, modifying uh, you know, cabinet drawers and doors
to where their soft clothes or they'll modify and opening
at the bottom where you know, a tray pulls out
for pops and pans things like that. We work with
a lot of cabinet guys that can modify all of that,
and we work in conjunction with them and we'll do
all the finishing and painting as all that's being done.

(49:50):
So it's, uh, we work work pretty well as a
team doing that, and it's definitely a great option, uh
to go about it really is.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
You mentioned that software. One of our boys is having
a house spilled right now, and we're over there last
weekend and they had just installed all the cabinets and such,
and I was totally unaware of that technology. I mean,
how cool is that? And you just kind of yeah,
it's great.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
It's great, man. And then they can do that for you.
You know, if you don't have soft clothes, now they
can add that for you. You know, it's all in the
hinge and the type of hinge that they use. As
a matter of fact, we're doing a lady's set right now.
It's an older oak type of wood set and the
hinges are external, so you can see the hinges on
the outside edge of the door.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So we've got a guy coming in and he's actually
swapping all those hinges out for them creating a hidden hinge.
So then once he does that, Gary will come through.
We'll sell all those those external holes that you can
see from the old hinge, prep them out, prime all
of them, and fill all those holes and get them painted.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Up really nice.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
So again the point is is, why would you want
to spend twenty thirty, forty fifty dollars or more?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I mean, that's right.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Does anybody know why catters is so dougout expensive? That's
just crazy expensive?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
That thing.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Oh boy, it seems like everything these days, Gary, you know,
because is just getting that way. But that is, that's so,
that's one that's gone up quite a bit. And we
see the see the cost rising and rising for that,
and again it's just a really good bang for your
buck when when it comes to painting.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, thousands, thousands of supposed to tens of thousands, absolutely, all.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Right, that's right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Well, you cover a lot of grow today, man Russ
Marczy the Finishing Touch team for your free estimates, and
I guess you still got the specials going on into
your next.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Area, right, we do, We sure do. Till to the
end of August Gary, we're offering you know, ten percent
off of paint jobs. We're offering you know, if you
paint two rooms, get the third room of equal size
for free full exterior paint jobs. Gary. We're doing a
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we've got a lot of good good things running right
now out for the summer. So definitely give us a call.

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All right, And how the folks reach your Russ?

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All right, Russ Markesy. It is the Finishing Touch Team.
Thank you, my friend, Thank you so much, Gary, appreciate it.

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