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It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia!

This week, K & G recap Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up when Karen and Georgia shared your listener stories. Listen for all-new commentary, possible case updates and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Last Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
This, if you don't know, is our Wednesday episode. It's
new and we recap our old shows. We give you
updates on them, new commentary from ten years later. I mean,
you know the whole thing. It's like a recap show,
but you're doing it to yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You just keep doing it to yourself.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, today we're revisiting episode twenty seven, which is a
really fun one. It's titled Your Hometown Murder Email Round Up.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I thought of that, what a great title.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
And this was the episode that paved the way for
our minisodes where we tell you your hometowns because guess what,
they never stopped coming in I mean nine years, nine years.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
We love it.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
If you have one, send it to my favorite murder
at Gmail, not my personal mail account that I gave
out in the beginning of this show. Yeah, that's right,
what's your new email? My favorite murder at Email.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
This episode was originally released on Thursday July twenty eighth,
twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
So push your earbuds in a little deeper, because now
we can all be Day one listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, here's the intro of episode twenty seven. Hi, welcome
to My Favorite Murder.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's Karen. I know, let's start over. I hate that,
but we're leaving it in. But let's say let's start over. Okay,
let's start over. Oh, welcome, Am I very welcome? Ye am,
I verit.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
This is so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's it's just uncomfortable to start a podcast. I think
anyone listening understands that. Yeah, it's uncomfortable to pretend while
you're sitting in your friend's apartment that you suddenly have
some kind of official right. Like it's as if we're
on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, you and I have been talking mellow, mellow lee
in a mellow minutes. That's when I suddenly break in
face to face into like newscaster voice, is weird.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Hey Georgia here ed, what's up girl? Are you? What's
your murdery day been?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
My day has been murder delicious and then I just
throw myself off a balcony. Let's start Over's.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Welcome to My Favorite Murder, The podcast that answers the
question should you talk about murders?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
The answer is no, we already know the goodbye. Oh
I just murdered my toast? What were you going to say.
I was going to say that I watched two episodes
of Marcella fuck.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
You know when it's like I know one of them
is wrong and I don't know which one.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, no, no, I'm laughing because the people on the show
say Marcella right.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
That's one of the things about it is it's like
she keeps correcting them. Yeah. I wasn't an you did
not like it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I need you to talk me through it. Well, if
you didn't like, you didn't like it, I just really didn't.
I thought she wasn't believe. It wasn't believable to me
that she was so crazy. I'm not going to give
anything away.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's this British procedural crime drama. Yeah, we've talked about it.
I know, but maybe someone's new here. Oh true?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
True?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Are you true? True? True? Are you new?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Are you new? I mean, I don't know. I just
liked it.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
But also I really do like as long as it's
new and British.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, you specifically like those, I really do. I think
they do crime procedurals great.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, I think that. I am less interested.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
You don't like drama per se? Slow? Yeah, they're very slow.
I don't like slow, and that I don't like.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I can't understand your accent half the time, so I'm
not following.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
And also you're driving on the wrong side of the road,
oh my god. And why are you drinking tea like
seven times a day? In addition, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Let's vow to never do those voices again, Oh my god,
never except for our real voices which sound a lot
like which we don't want to admit actually sound existing,
sound kind of except I will recommend this, although it
is off topic of the direct murder topic. I've been
watching Stranger Things, which is just going to bring it up.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Really love it.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Two episodes in love it so good, love it, and
as a person who grew up in the eighties, like
those houses. It's a new Netflix series if you haven't
seen it, called Stranger Things.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's very popular. People are loving it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
When on a writers are very proud to see her
their hometown girl went on a writer and it's so good.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
She's great. It's really fun.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
But that like the friend Barb the first time the
main girl's friend Barb from.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Sou Oh my god, Barbara, Barbara is the best.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
And Barb's hair, glasses and clothes to a person today,
You're like, what the fuck, that's exactly what everybody looked like.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
She could not be more on point, the on point
is point person.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
In the eighties, young girls dressed like they were doing
a middle aged secretary cosplay.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, and I don't know why. It was like we
didn't have a choice. I've had divorced mother of three
cous books.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
My friend Heidi Lily God Rest her Soul, had a
pair of glasses that were tinted pink on the bottom
and blue on the top in seventh grade, so it
looked like she was wearing blush and eyeshadow, and I
was obsessed with them.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know what's so weird? Does he can tell you
can tell how they got hot?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yes, Like you can tell how then later in the eighties,
early nineties, maybe in their early forties they suddenly got
super hot. Yeah, but they but then they show the
dude that they're dating or the lady they're dating their
photo from high school, and you're all like, what the fuck? Yeah,
but I did. I do want her clothes like that's
my style. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's a nice high neck, like a ruffel neck. Haulish
blouse made of polyester. There were a lot of like
matching vests.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
In the early eighties. They all look like they have
too many layers on. Yes, anyway, there were tons of layers.
That show is great.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's a great show.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Watch that, And I'm sure there's somebody out there that's
watched the whole thing and gone, yeah, your daylight and
his dollars short good fair, fair play.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't think it's fair. I think it's unfair that
we can talk.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
We can talk about it, and I'm like super excited
about it, and other people are like, I finished it,
and I have so many questions.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
About, like, you know, like who's this, who's that? What
happened here? What happened there? Because you haven't finished it.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, the kid without Teeth, Oh yeah, love him. He's
he's a spinoff in and of himself. Oh my god,
he's a great actor. You know what I love about
that is the opening credits. Yes, they could not be
more eighties. They're so dead on, they're so not unsolved mysteries.
But what was the other one? The like imaginary stories

(06:50):
or someone's yelling at at home when I know they
are Yeah, it's not it was like creepy stories. Not
tales from crypt No, but it was like that seepee stories,
creepy stories.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't know. Anyway, it's great.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I love how dated this is that we're talking about
the first season of Stranger Things.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
First season that was an epic season. First season.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, I mean, like it's the reason it got so
big and it is what it is is because like, man,
it was just like good looking at.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
This is such a good idea.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
It felt good, it was good, the sweaters were great and.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Went on a rider coming Wow. No, no hometown hero.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh yeah, that's right, she's your hometown girl. She is
love her.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
This is really funny. We talk about a Rolling Stone
article that ran about us.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Isn't it crazy that twenty six episodes in and we
had a rolling we were in Rolling Stone, Like I
remember feeling elated, like yeah I read Rolling Stone as
a kid. Oh yeah, I was obsessed And that was
such a moment for me. Yeah I bet you know.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'm sure I was like, oh, listen, like a bad idea.
But what's crazy is Aaron Brown who helps us produce
these rewind episodes and works along them a lot, and
of course Alison.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
They tried to find this article. They cannot find it.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That. They're like, we don't understand. But it's not online
like that. You need someone to search it.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Things don't disappear from the Internet.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So what we're thinking is, hey, if you listener can
find this article we're talking about in this episode, and
you write in and show it to us, you will
win a free sweatshirt of your choosing.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh I love that right from us, though not like
Land's End or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh no, it's gonna be one of my old sweatshirts.
I was gonna choose one of Karen's old sweatshirts. I
have one that says sardines on the front of it.
That's pretty cool. I cut the bottom off. That's so
gen z of you. Right, I'm trying to get in
there with the twenty year olds. I think it'll work. Great,
it's gonna happen. All right, let's get into the episode.
This is really cool because we had the idea to

(09:01):
read hometowns, which is now fucking legendary Monday episode. Oh
my god, we just reach you your hometowns.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
If you guys like skip those somehow, you are missing
out on some of those beautiful stories. Beautiful, terrifying, heartwarming, hilarious, weird,
fucking stories. It's become its own monster.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
The minisodes are a joy, and I think sometimes people
are like, oh, no, I'm just a hardcore true crime listener,
and it's like, yeah, but this is adjacent in the
perfect way where it starts out as people telling their hometowns,
but then we got people to kind of tell us
stories about their grandma and about this and about that,
and now it is just good stories.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I think it's also I hear from people saying
I don't like true crime, so I only listen to
the minisode.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
So it's kind of great for like your mom on
a road trip or something like.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
That, right, you know, or like my sister who has
never listened to one episode of this podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Perfect, Okay, so let's kick this off in this hometown.
Karen reads a story from a listener named Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Wow, let's start Okay starts podcast. Well, you know what
we're going to do this week, Airy Skippers come Back.
Very special episode.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Today's a very special episode because we have a Gmail
inbox filled with hundreds of hometown murders, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds,
So we've we decided we're going to dig in as
we have been promising to do for a long time
and just start reading some of them.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So this is a long form hometown murder episode, and it's.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Good because there's a lot of good murders in there.
We're just gonna you're just going to get a bunch
of minish at once for your buck.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
And we absolutely didn't text each other this morning and
say I can't I don't have time to find a murderer.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And the other I can't do this homework. I have
a job today. Yeah, for one day of my life.
It's one hundred degrees outside. I can't be expected to
look on Wikipedia.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Minute and find our murder.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Oh no, what about all the people who are finding
us and this is our first episode? They listen, guys,
hang in there, don't give up, ye starve from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, start in the beginning, and then let the love
build a little bit before you get to this kind
of what is this episode?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Twenty seven twenty seven? Yeah, last was twenty six sixty six.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, that's right, twenty seven. That's weird.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's just weird.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I like that we always know what episode, how many
episodes we've done based on just because that's what we
call them.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So I got a bunch so people, people who start
the podcast from the beginning don't know that. And we
didn't have my favorite murdered email then, right, So there
they send them to my email address so you don't
see them.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Oh, okay, are your private hometown mark, which I.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Know that they are not deep into the podcast when
they send that, send them to my account.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
But I also hide them from you, so we're good. Okay.
I like to have secrets. You know that we love secrets.
We love them, do you why don't you start? Something?
Said someone on the Facebook creator is like, I love the.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Way you guys don't know who's supposed to go first.
You're so off every week. Yes, when I'm like it's
really start, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
We're never right. You're never right, guys.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
As much as we love doing this podcast, it's not
like we're that interested in.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
There was a great there was a Rolling Stone article,
thank you very much for that's right that said, like,
they're not big on facts, they say themselves, there's a
reason they're in the comedy category.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, but hey, guess what Rolling Stone you can you
can throw stones and glasshouses all you want, but you
spelled my name right at the top of the article
and misspelled it in the middle, So guess what.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
You can get? Fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
We were way off when we started this podcast by
two people who are very complicated for some reason.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Last names, yeah, very compound. So that's just two.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Fucking words that everyone uses on a regular goddamn basis,
and yet they just don't go next to each other,
according to everyone in the fucking world.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
And I understand mine are the combinations of ours.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, there's it's a question that no one's ever gotten. There.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You see it once and you read it, and you're like,
that's that's how you read it.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It will if you're a copy editor and you check
it once. He had better get the second one.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Check They never got covered by Rolling Stone. Bye. That's
called biting the hand that feeds you. That's how this sounds,
all right.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
My first Hometime Murder is from someone named Charlotte and
she says, Hi, George and Karen, I absolutely love the show.
I have told my sister about your podcast and she
is now a huge fan. Also, you thank you if
you have a sister and you haven't told her yet, Oh,
come on, it'll.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Bring you guys together.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, instead of being mad at her for throwing a
power be at your head when.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You were six, Lee, Lee hard Star Lee Hardstark, that's
going out to you. Then everything's fine.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Instead of being mad at her for h for chasing
you down the hallway and beating you with a brush.
Laura kill garaff All My Life and.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
My sisters do an episode one week.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
My sister does not listen to this, and every time
she's like, people keep telling me, Like she went to
her high school reunion, she's like, oh my god, people
were telling me they like your podcast, but I don't
even understand what you're doing. Like she brings a level
of disdain to everything.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
If they can't if your.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Family can't watch it on TV and see your name
on television, they don't think you're succeeding.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, it doesn't and it doesn't count. No, alle are
you guys who listen and love? Hopefully thanks guys, or
listen and judge. I'll take anything, love and judge, same
thing whatever. All right, So she said, many of the
things you say are thoughts I have, but nobody, but
nobody to really tell them to Yeah, that would understand

(14:45):
in parentheses. So when I first listen to your podcast,
I was like, oh, my god, there are others out there.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's exactly right, Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I grew up in a small town of about forty
two hundred south of Kansas City, Missouri. My sister babysat
for a wonderful family, and when she went to college,
I then filled in for her. So this would have
been in nineteen seventy nine or nineteen eighty. I was
thirteen or fourteen years old. Oh, she'd like stranger things.
That's her jam for sure. Sometimes my mom would come
over and visit while I was babysitting, just swing by

(15:13):
and say hi, chat for a bit. This particular, my
mom came over and by the time she left to
go home, it was dark. Around ten thirty or so,
I thought I heard a car door, and, thinking it
was the couple I was babysitting for, I went and
turned the front porch light on for them. They didn't
come in, and so I thought, Okay, I guess that
was just another car in the neighborhood. It was around

(15:33):
eleven thirty or twelve when they got home and the
husband of the couple took me home. Around two am,
my dad, Now that's creepy. Now that's creepy. Around two am,
my dad comes in my room and wakes me up
and says that there are two high rate patrol officers
downstairs and they want to talk to my face.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
What the thought.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
George's eyes are as wide as they possibly could be,
and she looks legitimately scared, so excited. My first thought was, oh,
my god, some thing happened to one of the kids
in their sleep or something like that. They told us
that the next door neighbor Lyle Mormon, and then in parentheses,
is it okay to give names?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
But yes because yes, because this is now a case.
The next door neighbor, Lyle Mormon, of the house I
was babysitting at. She means next door to the house
she was babysitting at, had just been murdered in his
house the same time I was babysitting next door that
wasn't a car door, and asked if I heard or
saw anything strange. Come to find out, the man Lyle

(16:33):
had just been on a cruise and stopped by a
bar or casino or something and picked up a guy
and brought him home.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Sorry, trying to type this with two cats.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Francy back and forth on my comp I get it
all right, it doesn't anyway. This guy stabbed Lyle, killing
him and probably robbed him, and they think he left
around the ten thirty ish time when I heard the
car door, thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for,
when I turned the front boarder. Why, I'm really glad

(17:02):
I didn't go outside and see if it was the
couple or not. And I was just so thankful my
mom hadn't run into the crazy guy when she went
out to her car, and that the kids were okay.
That was so sad to hear Lyle been murdered. I
think they ended up catching the guy. But if you
search Lyle Marmon Butler, Missouri, the story should pop up.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's a murderer's name. No wait, no, he's the victim. Anyways,
that's what I met.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
It sounds like a victim. And then she's got a
second one.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
You want me to read it? I don't. Yes. One
other quick story.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
My husband at the time and I and my daughter
lived out in the country in an old house in
an area where a battle occurred during the Civil war time,
and my husband worked night, so I let my daughter
sleep with me. In the middle of the night, I
hear one of her music boxes fucking playing, that's what
she wrote.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Fucking playing.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It had been played long enough that it woke me up,
and I was pretty heavy sleeper back then. I'm flipping out,
but laid really still in case it was someone robbing
us or something. But then I thought, why would somebody
wind up a music box. A minute or two later,
I hear something fall on the ground in the other room.
I laid awake forever, didn't want to leave my daughter
alone in bed, and had my hand on this heavy

(18:13):
lamp in case I needed it to protect me, and
she with it. The next morning, I slowly walk into
the next room, where there's a sturdy coat rack that
had a shelf above it that I had books and
heavy flowerpot on it. The books were on the ground,
the flower pot was still on the shelf. There wasn't
any way the cat could have gotten on the shelf.
Then I go to my daughter's bedroom and see where
her music boxes were. They were all on a shelf

(18:36):
that won along one wall, and the shelf was up
near the ceiling and an adult could reach it with
a chair, but she couldn't have reached it and hadn't
played with them in forever. Then we find a piece
of raw chicken on a paper plate on the kitchen counter,
and none of us put it there. No, I'm going
to se ghost. A friend built a house down the
road years later and said they walked in their living

(18:58):
room one evening and an old woman who was sitting.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Up rock out chair. Bye, Karen, was no snowing, No
doubt the area is haunted.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Raw chicken though, that's like that suddenly took a turn
for the Yeah, raw chicken is.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, I'm not Maybe it was a cat. Maybe it
was a really really really smart cat that loved music.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
You know what, go on? Sorry? Oh she just ends
it by saying, last crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
If you google people in the eighteen hundreds posing with
dead bodies, Holy shit, that's fucked up. Anyway, Take care,
stay safe. Thanks for letting me share, Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
She's good. Good job, Charlotte, Jean. I would tell you so.
I totally don't believe in ghosts. If they exist, fine,
I'm not going to argue it. But when I was
a little kid, I was in bed, I had insomnia.
I was like, I woke up like three in the morning.
I was lying there in bed, and I saw and
we had like a we had like a closet that
like on roller doors.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes, and one just opened. One of the classes just
opened while you were lying there looking at it.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I wouldn't have cats yet because my parents were still
married and that wasn't a thing yet. So like I
just got all the courage in my life and ran
to my parents' room.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
But I totally saw that. I saw it open. Oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Okay, we're back. No updates on Charlotte's story. Charlotte, if
you're listening, that's on you. You should have dropped us a line.
Keep us posted now. If you have anything else to
tell us about your story, we need updates. But thank you, Charlotte,
because you were one of the early people that were like, oh,
you want a story, I'll take some time and send
it in.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
This is exactly what you want. You heard a sound.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
It meant nothing at the time, and then it turned
out it meant fucking everything, and here's the story behind it.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Like that is exactly what we want. Yeah, any sound
stories do sound me? Okay, Now here's George's first hometown
from Samantha M.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
He you know you do. Okay, I'm gonna start. I'm
gonna here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna start.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I'm gonna start Mellow to keep you motherfuckers just around
because sometimes I'll I'll like tune into these podcasts. It's
like a listener shit, and I'm like, oh, it's gonna
be boring. I came here to listen to you guys talk, right,
So no, I'm gonna I'm gonna go slow.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
So wait, So you're starting. You're in fear that people
think it's boring. You're starting Mellow.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
You want to see you want to catch them in.
They're all good, Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
start good. I'm not questioning you. I'm just clarifying you are.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
But you are correct. Okay, okay, okay. I just want
to say, but it's correct.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
So Samantha M says, So, I have one of the
creepiest hometown murder stories.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
At first, it never occurred to me.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Then I remembered this horrible quadruple murder that happened while
growing up. I went to elementary elementary junior in high
school with these identical twins. They were a great older
than me, so I never had a class with them,
but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. They didn't associate with
anyone from school, didn't go to parties, weren't allowed to
go to dances, and didn't even speak to anyone besides

(21:58):
each other. They eight lunch alone at a table to themselves.
Identical twin, identical twins. They were of Middle Eastern descent,
so I assume their parents were simply strict. The odd
thing about them, however, is that they dressed and this
is in all caps, identical, every single day the entire
time I knew them, this beginning from kindergarten to graduation.

(22:20):
And when I say identical, I mean everything from their
hair burrits to their watches, socks, and shoes.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Match never missed a day. We know where this is going.
It was a golden Retriever.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
They were both retrievers, you know, Golden retrievers love to match.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
It was two olden Retrievers on each other's shoulders with
a trench to go. Anyways, we all graduated and never
saw them again. Their parents were very wealthy. They lived
in this gated community in the mansions of San Clemente
at Orange County, where I'm from, very rich people, where
their mom's best friend lives. I actually where my mom's

(22:58):
best friend lives. I actually did my picture for my
wedding and got ready at her house, the mom's house,
because it's so beautiful and overlooks the ocean. The girls
were still living at home and attending college when this happened.
Family members approached police, saying that they hadn't heard from
the girls and their parents for a while and it
was unusual. The police did a perimeter search and stated
that maybe they had gone on vacation.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yah wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Per protocol, they were not allowed to break in yet.
The next week the family passed the police against stating
that this was highly unusual for them not to let
anyone know they had left. I believe it was two
or more perimeter checks before police finally broke in, at
which time the smell was so bad that they had
to have people come in with scuba masks. Oh no,

(23:40):
the bodies were so badly decomposed. It took a while
to find the cause of death, but they were able
to determine that the entire family was wearing black. No
evidence of a struggle was present. The girls were lying
next to each other in bed, the grandmother was on
a lounge chair, and the parents were in their closet. Eventually,
they determined the girls and grandmother died of a prescription

(24:01):
drug overdose, and the parents went in the closet where
their mother shot the husband. Where the mother shot the
husband and then killed herself. Oh, the whole thing was
super creepy and made me realize how you never really
know what goes on in a person's life behind closed doors.
I feel bad for what kind of lives these girls
must have had in spite of their outwards aside of
money and privilege.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Hope to hear more of you guys. Oh wow, thank you, Samantha.
That's so sad. Amantha, that's intense.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Although I have to say I understand what she means
by saying you never know what goes on behind closed doors,
But I think you had a slight indication with people
who dressed exactly like.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Each other from kindergarten to through high school.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
And if I had twins, one of their heads would
be shaved their entire life.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
The other we ever cut their hair that's a good idea, right,
and maybe you're the girl. Yeah, and then they psychologically
be fine from the not out if you scar them early,
nothing else can hurt them.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Right, because they don't know any different on that scarved
It was like a mini Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, that's so intense.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It is weird, you know, And you think I did
this a lot where I think back to kids I
went to elementary school with, and I'm like, oh, man,
I bet you had some fuck like your shit was
real fucked up.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And I just thank god that I was so ignorant. Yeah,
and just I thought, well, back then, I thought everyone
had the life I had. I remember asking my teacher,
our Ellen Lesher, who was my grammar school teacher and
family friend so sad she put me to bed one
night when she was over having dinner with my parents,

(25:37):
and I wanted her to come and tuck me in,
and so she said, do you like? She asked me
if I had any question I could ask? She told
me I could ask her anything. She did an am
with me. She did it analog ame and I asked her,
I said, there's a little girl in my class. Let's
just say her name was Sarah Jane, And I said,

(25:59):
why is Sarah Jane's face always dirty? And I was
saying it like because I thought, you know, she was
going to give me some answer, and she said.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Because she doesn't have anybody to clean it for her.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And as a fourth grader, I just started crying in
my bed.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I had no idea. I had no idea that anybody
would live that way.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
No, and that, I mean, that's how intensely privileged and like,
and you know Shelter was, Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I know that Robert, this kid in my class, like
everyone made fun of him because he smelled bad and
are the same clothes all the time. And now I'm like, oh,
your mom was a hoarder and couldn't have her Like
I clearly understand now that's it wasn't your fucking choice
not to be like that, and you got made fun
of it, and that's I hope he's okay.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well, that's yeah, And kids don't have a choice like
that's that's the one good thing I always make jokes about,
like we need to bring bullying back, But I am
totally joking, uh in that way that like kids don't
kids get attacked by other kids for things that they
that are not their fault. Yeah, and it really sucks
because it's a thing they're already suffering by Yeah, I

(27:05):
got it.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I got it, and I did to other people like
as much as I want to be, Like, I was
a nerd and made fun of a lot, like, well,
I deflected my my shit by making fun of other people, Like, yeah,
I wasn't better than the popular kids making fun of me.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Like, then you shouldn't have a podcast.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well no, I was. I same here, And that's because
it's mob rules. You don't want to be the target.
You have to make sure someone else stays the target,
so it's not you.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I wish I'm I was like Matilda or like those
kids and movies where you're like they stand up for
kids who are underdogs and make friends with them.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's like, no, I was kind of a dick too.
I mean that's the majority of people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I think all we can do now is have a
great podcast. That's the only thing we can do now
is podcast of the world. Oh yeah, this one was
so sad. Yeah, I'm heartbreaking, Yeah, and so true about
not knowing what goes on behind closed doors in people's lives, no.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Matter what facade they put up. You just never know.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, it's I mean, I was just thinking it's bad.
It may get worse on this next one. Yeah, that
we go into.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Okay, this is Karen's second hometown from Terrissa. Okay, Karen,
here you go. Terrisa sent us this. It says, Hello, ladies.
I started listening. I have very sibilant essays. I've noticed
this lately on the podcast What you went in to wear?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
This is not close. This is me talking. My SS's
are very sharp s Is it because mine are soft? Soft? No?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
No, I think it's because my teeth are floating and
moving around in my mouth. That's a great So there's
some kind of like I cute anyway, there's there's a corner.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
There's a level of self consciousness.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh for sure that I need to get rid of,
because who gives a fuck?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh my God of the day. It's just you and
I I know, I mean, it's just do what I.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
And my asses. Hello, ladies.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I just started listening to your podcast this week, and
I haven't gotten all the way through the episodes yet,
So I hope this isn't a duplicate, So do I
Carl Larissa? Anyway, I have not one, but two hometown
murders for you. The first one is just plain horrifying.
It happened in a house that is almost directly across
the street from me, and the killer was Megan Huntsman.

(29:22):
She has been charged with killing and hiding six newborn
babies in her garage. Oh fuck, somehow, and I'm still
trying to figure this out. She managed to hide seven
pregnancies over a decade.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
She never went to the hospital. No one knew what
was going on.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Apparently she would give birth, strangler or suffocate the baby,
wrap bodies in garbage bags, store the box in her garage.
She left the corpses when she moved away the shit.
The police found seven dead babies, but only six had
been murdered. The last one was born stillborn. Her husband
is the one who found the corpses.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Oh, he didn't even know two.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
He had spent eight years in prison for drugs and
when he got out, he went to the house to
clear it out and get ready for the rent, get
it ready for rental. And he said the garbage smelled,
garage smelled horrible, And he had a friend to help
him clean out the garage to figure out where the
smell was coming from. What I don't get is the
fact that he was there in the house with her
during the times those babies were born and subsequently murdered. Well,

(30:27):
it doesn't sound like he was if he was in
prison for eight years his babies were they.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Well, yeah, I mean that might be why she had
to kill them. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
He claims he had no idea she was pregnant or
had babies, and the police decided not to charge him
with anything. She pled guilty to six counts of murder
and has been sentenced to life in prison. She has
three surviving children. Oh no, Oh, that's the scariest thing
I ever read.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Intense therapy immediately and claimed she was too addicted to meth.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Oh take care of more.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Isn't it funny how many like fucking to get other
people are trying so hard to have a goddamn baby?
He learn these fucking people who have meth and kill
the babies. Oh ye, six in a row.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Anyway, that's my home down murder story. Hope you enjoyed it. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Clarissa. Uh, I'm sorry I keep saying Clarisa. It's Charissa
Churissa with an age that was intense. That was crazy.
Oh she didn't include two stories, it was just one.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's that's enough.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
We love you, Terarissa. Okay, we're back, Karen. Any updates
on this case.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
There actually is one. Megan Huntsman's first parole hearing is
slated for April of twenty sixty four.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh wow, huh wow.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
So I guess keep an eye here. Yeah, watch this space. Sure,
we're going to be so old. Okay, So now we're
going to do some back to backs. Georgia is going
to tell Leonard's hometown about the killer dentist, and then
I tell Cody's hometown.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
All right, this is from Leonard Leonard.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's up Leonard. So my hometown murder story happened in
my high school days. I was coming home from a
basketball practice later than I normally would have, and as
I came to the corner to walk to my block,
I see half a dozen cop cars surrounding my best
friend's house. Lights are flashing everywhere, and I see my
friend in the back of one car, his brother in
another car.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
I'm assuming he needs cop cars.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
And on the stairs leading up to the house on
the opposite corner, a female body not fucking moving.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
So later I come to find out that my friend's
dad eventually got evidently got into an argument with his
wife and began all caps stabbing her over and over.
My friend was home and tried to save her and
fought off his father. I repeat, fought off his father
after stabbing his mother, and he took off in his
car and escaped.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Meanwhile, the mom.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Is still fucking alive and gets out of the house
and staggers to the names house, but collapses before reaching
the door, and all caps.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Dies dies at the neighbor's stairs.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Jesus, So yeah, first and only times seeing a dead
body not at a funeral. So my friend and his
brother eventually get cleared and released, and the media picks
up on the murder and calls him the killer dentist.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
And then he says, guess what his job was? And
he's a fugitive for like three to four days. So
dad is fucking gone.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Then news breaks that he was found in the next
state over committed suicide in the motel and left a note.
Oh no, memory is fuzzy, but he and his wife
were separating and he had been sleeping on the couch
for some time. And what I clearly remember, though, was me,
my friend and his dad soon to be murdered murderer,
eating at fucking Chillies, like a week before it went down.

(33:47):
And to be a goddamn cliche, I honestly did not
see it coming.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
He was the nicest guy, et cetera. Excep oh man,
he wrote, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
So yeah, friend and his brother moved to Florida to
live with extended family, and it's nearly decade before they
moved back home. That story was legit true. Feel free
to check it out. Late nineties, early two thousands, Leonard,
I believe you. I'd love to know what you guys,
what you think, even if you don't read it on
your show exclamation mark, Well guess what, Leonard.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
But if you do give me a heads up.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm weird and I'm listening to your old shows from
episode one on again thanks to reading and don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Wow, thanks Leonard. Leonard sat at Chili's murder. I wouldn't
know what he ate? Is that weird?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Bloomin onion? Is that there? Uh is bloomin onion out back? Steakhouse. Well,
because that reminds me the dentist, the killer dentist. Guess
what his professional one of us. Oh, this is a
good one. Okay, this is from Cody.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
And the title the subject line is all the way
from Australia. Hello, Lon, that's sorry, Sorry there, Cody, ladies,
Hey ladies, I love your podcast. In Australia, during the
sixties we had a lot of child murderers. Australia is
legit with murders. I said that to someone recently that

(35:09):
was from Australia. I was like, you guys have a
lot of great murders and they were like what they
were like, goodbye bye. On the Dan Neil Armstrong took
a Step on the Moon. Well, the TV aired a
man walking on the moon. Could be a sound studio,
could be real life. I'm not making any claims.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
This is not that podcast. Awesome.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Two children, Shane Spiller and Yvonne Towey went on a picnic.
A man jumped out grabbed Tewy. Spiller was able to
fight him off with a hatchet and run away to
get help.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Why did he have a hatchet They were on an
axe picnic. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
He was able to describe the car and a naval
sticker on the car. It was too late, though, as
they had found Towey's body horrifically murdered. The cops then
drove to the naval base with Spiller in the car
and I d'd the car. The police entered the naval
base and found Derek Percy literally red handed, washing his

(36:07):
bloody clothes. This guy is linked to multiple child murders
and he is considered one of Australia's worst serial killers.
Derek Percy got to look him up.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
D E. R E C. K Any who flashed forward
to two thousand and two kay Line thousands.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Of kilometers away whatever that means, thousands of kilometers away.
Spiller had been living close to my home in very small,
close knit community for ages then and he then suddenly
disappeared in two thousand and two and has not been heard of.
And this is the witness that it's the survivor of
those two children.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Fucked up.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, he probably just got discovered there and was like
see you later. By Google search Derek Percy. He is
linked to so many child murders. Most notably, he had
a notebook with the beach that the three Beaumonts said
bings went missing at Circle.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I've always wanted to do the Bomont siblings. But it's
so it goes nowhere, it goes nowhere.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's they It's three kids who walked to the beach
very close to their house, something they did all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
And it was in the seventies, right, But they were
seen talking to like a young surfer guy. Yeah, and
then they just fucking off the face of the earth
and you never heard from no trace, three.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Of them, like three earl and two boys. I don't know.
I think it was there was a girl and there
were boys. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes, yes, I had the same exact feeling about that
case where I think that podcast that has a girl
and two guys.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh, not Generated I always think it's Generation Why. But
it's shoot, fuck, they're I think they're out of Portland.
They did a really good one.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah on this, I'm pretty sure anyway, Sorry, guys, I
think we need to look this up. She'd like give
them a shout out.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's like, what in the what do you know? It's
like a question phrase. So like that's why I think
it's Generation Why all the time.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
But it's not. I'll read the rest of this while
you look at it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
But also it came out that his mother is an
upstanding citizen who destroyed evidence for him. All that mother
and some bond cute parentheses. Fucking douchebag. Love you guys. PS. Yes,
I'm a girl, even though my name sounds like a
dude's name.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Thank you, dude, Cody. That was an awesome email, very awesome,
very awesome. I love that, Derek. I'm looking up, Derek Percy.
I'm looking at That's a really good one. I'm looking
at I'm here, I am looking at things here, I
am here, I am son of a cut.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
What is it? That's a new one. Everyone's yelling it
at home, and I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know what. We'll find it by the end. Okay,
what if we do that way?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Instagram it?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yes, so you read yours and then I'll kay. You're turned, Karen, yea, No, No,
I just read it. I just it's your turn to look. Oh,
I'll ignore me.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I was just I'm drinking too much. Boujeott. It's your turn. Okay,
we're back. I don't know how we have not covered
this murderer yet. Like, we need to do this one.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I know there's been a couple of these where I'm
like looking back where I'm like, oh, can't we just
pull things out of old episodes where we were like
talking about it once and then putting it aside.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah, there's two in this episode that I'm like, these
need thora Christiansen that's coming up.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
We need to do that one too. I did it. Well,
then there you go.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, you know what's funny is I was looking at
that and I was like, that seems familiar. I did
it on my favorite weekend when we were in Santa Barbara.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
That makes complete sense because it was a solving murder.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Okay, yeah, if it was live, that means I don't
remember a moment from that because the adrenaline was just
like so high.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
But remember how fun that my favorite weekend was. It
was the coolest, Like that was the coolest. It felt
so chill, just like we were hanging out with friends. Yeah,
all our friends who agreed to come and take buses
everywhere to get from place to place.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
The podcast we were trying to think of during that
episode is called Thinking Sideways. It ended in twenty nineteen,
but their catalog is still up and you can listen
to their episode on the Beaumont Children, which, yeah, like
we have to do that story.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
It's fascinating. Yeah, Okay, here's next up. George is gonna
tell Angie's hometown.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
All right, it really does.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I'm gonna do a long one. Okay, this is from Angie.
She says, in my hometown, when I was sixteen, there
was an entire family murdered by this seventeen year old son.
He went to my high school, rode the bus with
me when he went to my neighbor's house. Neighbor is
looserm from from country. He lived about two miles away,
and the sister he murdered used to hang out in

(40:43):
the quote band hallway every day, which is why I
knew her. My mom was a cop for the city
of Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids, and on her way home
that night, she camp on the murder and called me
to see if I knew anyone who lived in the house.
It was about four miles away from our home and
on a very busy road. The murder wasn't in her jurisdiction,

(41:05):
but she was a prominent police officer, and New county
officers who were she stopped to help. Naturally, she wouldn't
tell me any of the details because she fiercely protected
her daughters from the horrible things she saw that they
desperately wanted to know about. Upon reflection, maybe this is
why I became obsessed with true crime. Lucky for me,

(41:26):
I lived in a small enough town that rumors spread
and details leaked out about the murders from other people.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Who knew the cops that worked the case. The story
goes like this.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
John Seasling, seventeen years old, got into a fight with
his mother and his sister, Caitlin fourteen. He claims he
blacked out and when he woke up, they were all murdered,
including his eight year old's sister in her bed, and
he was covered in blood.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
He called the police and said that, oh Jesus, here
we go. He said, two.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Black guys robbed them and murdered his family, but he
was able to get away. And then and she writes,
those pesky black guys always committing those mass murders. Yeah,
I mean, come the fuck on. Then he confessed that
the killing was once the police arrived. However, apparently he
beat his mother and Kate Linton baseball bats and stabbed

(42:17):
them with large kitchen knives. He also apparently oh fuck
ready for this, He also apparently raped his fourteen year
old's sister with oh no said baseball bat. Cops who
worked the murder apparently vomited when they got there and
say that it was the worst crime scene they had
ever come upon. Blood everywhere. The worst part, and she says,

(42:39):
maybe it's all pretty horrible, is that he made his
youngest sister go lay in her I don't, and then
he did.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Thinks he slid her throat.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Another pretty awful part is that we heard Caitlyn got
away from him and ran out into the street, but
he dragged her back and they found blood streaks across
the ground.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
The most horrible part about this is that the road.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
They lived on was right by the highway and nearly
always busy.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
No one saw this.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Somehow, he used to have a weird He used to
have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her.
No way, I'm sorry, I used to have weirdo fantasies
about coming upon the scene and saving That's not weirdo,
that makes sense. No, those are my fantasies. And why
I'm going to therapy. The murder stayed with me a while. Yeah,
School the next day was so eerie and quiet. Everyone

(43:26):
knew what happened, and everyone had stories about John and Caitlin.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
John was weird that much, I knew, And in the.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Weeks after the murder, when we all talked about it,
I couldn't remember if I actually ever talked to John
or not. In my memory now, he used to say,
weird shits me on the bus, but honestly, lots of
dudes in my small poduc town were weirdos. We still
all talk about the murder, and I will still hear
new rumors about what he did and why. He always
claimed he was abused by both his mother and father,

(43:53):
and his mother and sister just made him angry. Some
people thought it was because he was a Satanist when
he admitted to being Wickan, and other people talked about
hearing him say he wanted to kill his family, but
no one took him seriously.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Just awful.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I recently heard twelve years later about the cops vomiting everywhere.
The last line in that article is upsetting. He had
some advice for people, don't abuse your children, or they
might kill you. Well, I mean he's right, but they
but did they abuse him?

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Well?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, I feel like they had abused him, he wouldn't
have he would have just killed them.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
You mean instead of like raping the sister. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I feel like the right to your sister and slitting
the throat of an eight year old is you're something's
wrong with you for sure? Yeah, because they didn't abuse him. No,
and it has nothing to do with it's not revenge.
It's not revenge.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, it's it's you just or at least it's not
revenge in the story you're telling it.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
It doesn't line up. It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's intense. Did you find it? I did.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
It's Thinking Sideway Sideway. It's Steve, Devin and Joe's podcast,
Thinking Sideways. It's a really good if you like here's
the thing. If you like facts, if you like really
well researched stories and deeply research stories, this is your podcast,
like all sideways.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
But also opinions. Yes, they all have opinions, which is fun.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Well, it's a really good discussion because it kind it
seems like they do it the way we do it,
where like the U I listened to a couple and
it's like people. They ask each other questions as they
talk through the case.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
One guy who sounds like a radio host from the forties. Yeah,
it is amazing. I don't know who's who.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I don't either. It's a really good podcast though.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm Georgia and that's Karen o case. You don't know
who's whom? Uh? Okay, you want to go? Why don't
we'd both do one more? Sure we're at fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll reach do one more.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Okay, all right, we're out of that.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Do you have a case update? I actually do so.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
In twenty twenty two, the State Supreme Court ruled that's
sentencing minors to life without parole violates the state constitution,
and since John was seventeen when he was convicted, he
became eligible for resentencing. So in twenty twenty three, he
was resentenced to spend forty to sixty years behind bars,
which means the earliest he'll be eligible for release is

(46:16):
twenty forty three. Okay, So here are the final stories
from this episode, starting with Karen sharing Molly's hometown, as
well as my story telling Kayleen's hometown.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
All right, ready, yeah, Molly subject line AX murders. Yay, Okay,
so I literally started listening this morning. The show is amazing.
I love true crime. Okay, I thank you. Guys are
really funny. I wanted to share my hometown murder.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
With you two. So in nineteen eighty eight in Rochester, Minnesota.
That's emmen right. Oh, oh, you know I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I didn't say the initials of the the last Grand
Rapids Misschigan, yeah, because it wasn't sure, because you were afraid.
That's where my husband's from. Anyway, I'm the worst. It's
the fear that's keeping us from It's fear, it's all
it is.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I'm pretty sure Emma is MINNESOTAA Yeah. In Rochester, Menissa,
this sixteen year old named David Brahm killed his mom, dad,
little sister, and little brother. He got in a fight
with his dad over the music he listened to.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
David was a goth kid going to Catholic school. What
was he listening? It was like something stupid? Were like,
they're not even that good? What was it? Eighty eight state?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
His dad told him not to listen to whatever music
he was listening to, and David got pissed when most
of his family was sleeping. His older brother Joe, wasn't
home that night. He took an axe from the basement
and attacked his family. If I remember correctly, he killed
his dad first. His mom woke up. At one point.
His mom had defensive wounds on her arms from the axe.

(47:47):
David went to school the next day, bragging to his
friends about what he did when no one could find him.
Later on, his friends went to school administration. They they,
in turn called the cops, who went into the home
home found the dead bodies. They didn't find David until
the evening, two miles from the school, in a phone
booth at the post office less than a mile from

(48:10):
the house I grew up in.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Is he just hanging out? It doesn't say, but he
was dead.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I wasn't alive during this time, but my dad called
my mom at least a couple times to make sure
she was okay.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
During the man he was just in the phone booth.
I thought he killed himself.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
No, no, no, no, no, he was just he was trying to
make calls or something. They basically found him there. So
it was a man hunt and the last thing and
there was. It was terrifying. David is still in prison
and is eligible for parole in twenty forty one. His
brother Joe has passed away in the past couple of years,
so he doesn't have any family left. I honestly don't
think he'll be released from prison, but stranger things have happened. Sorry,

(48:49):
this was so long. Wanted to share it. Love the
show Molly. That wasn't not Molly, It was not long.
What is it with these There's a couple of these
kind of stories of like boy teenage boys trying to
deal with all their chemicals, chemicals outside.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
And in hormones anger.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Especially back in that I feel like there was such
a switch from the baby baby boomers to like the
gen xers, and that there was like there was not
They didn't understand each other, No, not at all, and
they didn't tolerate each other.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
And I will say, as a person growing up in
the eighties, boys at least at my school got the
shit beaten out of them every single day. Yeah, there
were some bullies at my school that were downright terrifying.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
And it was and like hitting your spankings and belt
whippings were like you being.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
A good parent.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, I got fucking spanked with wooden spoons, did you really?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah? It sucked.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
And now I look at my nephews and I'm like
that of fucking beating them up with an odd like
hitting them. Yeah, violence against children to teach them not
to do something.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
But were your parents spanked? Because a lot of times
that's what normalizes it.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
My dad was definitely abused by his father. Left the
home after he by punching his father in the face
and then walked out and wowing and never came back.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Wow. But my mom, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
My mom wasn't Wow, but she was the one who
spanked us.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
It's all coming out on my favorite r. What happened
to a lot? How mom and I are friends? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Good, It happened to so many people, I think because
my mom had a super rotten childhood herself. She was
she was like, there's there was never any hitting. Yeah,
and there was always like a you know, discourse.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
But yeah, all right, let's do wait, okay, Okay, this
one's good. Okay, Kyleen rights. This story makes the hair
on my arms stand up. Rarely are we confronted with
the realization that we so easily could never have been born. Oh,
when she was twenty years old. My mother went on

(50:59):
a date with a serial killer. His name was thor
Nil Christiansen, and he murdered several women in solving an
Ila Vista, California between nineteen seventy six and seventy nine.
What again, fucking Central California, Northern California, Get the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Solving is up like wine country, right.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
It's like two hours from Los Angeles, like right outside
of Santa Barbara.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
It's it's it's a Dutch Disneyland basically. Yeah, it looks
like it's for tourists.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
It's for toy there's an Alpaker farm and Ila Vista
is like the shitty part of Santa Barbara where all
the kids go to college. Oh okay, right, all right.
So the way she tells the story, and to be honest,
she's only told me twice so once as a warning
as a teenager, and then just a few months ago
after plowing her with several classes of pino grigio. So
some details are hazy. Is that she was a sorty

(51:54):
girl at UCSB Santa Barbara, living in a studio apartment.
One night at a bar, a quote surfer looking guy
with blonde hair hit on her and she agreed to
leave with him.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Her bartender friend pleaded with her not to leave, but
she didn't listen. The surfer hold on. The surfer at
the bar drove a quote super creepy van, and they
climbed in, Oh the seventies. After driving around and making out,
he suddenly turned down a way she didn't recognize. Eventually,
he pulled into a cemetery.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Oh, it was there.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
He parked, went back, went to the back of the
van and pulled out a suitcase full of women's clothing.
He told my mom to put on the clothes and
get out of the van. My mother put on the
clothes and developed a plan and a stunning stroke of genius.
She said, oh, this is hot, this is so turning
me on and shaking. She led him back to her

(52:49):
apartment where she lived alone. Admittedly, this was the flaw
in my mother's plan, but thank god she got out of.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
The fucking cemetery.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Once back to her studio, she had led into her
bed and started kissing him, still wearing the creepy clothes.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
No idea.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
She picked up a lamp smashed it over his head
in stacreamed, get the fuck out of my house, and
he ran away. Her neighbors all came out of their
apartments to see if she was okay, and she said
she was, and then she said it with her sorority
sister fear for a few nights. I don't even know
if my dad knows the story, let alone the police.
My mother said she never went to anyone and then
moved back home to San Diego. So I missed when

(53:28):
he was captured. She didn't know his name or that
he was a serial killer. So in May, when I
plowed her with wine to get her to spill the details,
she means plied her with wine. Okay, but please don't.
It's not me, Okay, Okay, I'm just so plowed. You're right,
you get plowed on wine. You apply people with wine.
I think Kyleene and I are like similar people because

(53:49):
I swear to God as his plowed I we believed
it the whole time, and I'm fine with it. I
plied her with wine to get her to spill the
details because I'm a terrible daughter. I researched it. I'm
so embarrassed now, Karen, I'm sorry. I know it's plied.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Well, you're just reading it, Okay, all right. Originally I
just plowed.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Makes it sound like she sucked herwn mom. Sorry, but
that's now I got it. You're right, you're right, right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Originally I thought this quote surfer dude was the original Nightstalker.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
But the dates and the story don't add up. Love
this girl that she's like researching this. Yes, she's like,
which serial killer could it be?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah? When I stumbled across Christiansen, I showed her his
picture and she wrote, which was a mistake, and she confirmed.
I'm not sure what kind of information you need to
confirm the story, but I'm happy to help in any
way I can. Like, we're questioning this girl's story. Oh,
I know, I saw the photo she Karen showing me
this photo. He looks like he looks like he'd be
a wrestler, like a wrestler from the seventies.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
That's exactly like he was called the original Nightstalker wrestler.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Like he looks but he also has that look on
his face like I'm chill, everything's chill, Which he.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Is German or something?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, it definitely looks like like macho man Randy Savage.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Is that? Is she done? Because here's the good news.
To the end of that story. He was stabbed to
death in fulsome prison. If anyone's worried the man who
killed four women, uh wow, that's so intent.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I want to I want to investigate the story more
and know if like putting him in women's clothes was
a thing, or like the were those the clothing of
the women.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Who he had killed before her? This bitch almost got killed,
that is yeah, she was in it.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
She that's so crazy, I know, right, Uh yeah, fuck man,
I'm trying. I'm trying to scan really quickly, but yeah,
I don't see. I don't see anything about clothes. Well,
that one's good. I'm sweating profusely. I smell kind of bad.
Pretty sure, I'm definitely sweating. I love those. I like
those fast ones.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I mean, it's it's very satisfying to just go not
have to dive and pretend to be an expert on
a topic.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah, I like that. Here's what here's what happened.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yes, according to me who experienced it right exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
There was a couple And we're still going to keep
doing these. So yeah, if we didn't get to yours,
hopefully will soon. But we there's hundreds I mean there's
so many, so many. But there's a couple who are like,
my mom went on.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
A date with Ted Tad Bundy date one. You're not
even making that up. There's a Ted Bundy date.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yes, there's there's more than one Ted Bundy date. Yes.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Like there's people who are like I knew Ted Bundy,
are like he was a friend of the family.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
It's just crazy how many like my next door neighbor
killed his wife. Like, there's so many of those, yes,
little ones that you've never heard of.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
It never will.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, but people knew them and were like, no, they
were nice guys. They're always normal, nice.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Guys, right, and then they snap.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And there's a lot of there's a lot of the
son of the family right ones.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Well, you know that's the Amityville horror story, right, that's
the that's the real story behind that totally, uh or
at least that's the original story, right. I mean, it's
hard to be the eldest son and that whatever comes
with that.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I think it's hard to be the eldest son when
the dad is a dick, for sure.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I feel like a lot of.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
That the dad has so many expectations, especially back then
where it's like, you know, it's so important to be popular,
yeah and big time.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, you have to be like the quarterback or whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
And the dad is trying to trying to what's the word,
live vicariously through this.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
If you have that combined with like say a week
mom or a mom that lets the dad do whatever
you want right and doesn't have you know, any any
kind of handle on anything.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Maybe the mom.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
The kid loves the mom so much and he's pissed
at her for never having stood up for him.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
But he can't be pissed her because she is as
abused as he is.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I mean, and the sister's just like kind of a
popular cunt.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
What are we writing right now?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
It's the we're basically talking through the ambudigo hoo. You're
literally rich origin story. Yeah, but I mean, we're talking
through a thing that we've all seen on twenty twenty
one million times.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Totally. It's a typical American setup.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
You guys, if you're a guy, please don't kill your family.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You don't listen, I can't solve your problem for you.
It's just a podcast. But listen to your mother's listen.
In Georgia, I play the guitar. Girls love shit like that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, be Artie, be already grow your hair along and
just be like sorry, I'm arty too bad, and then
jump on the next train.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I know a woman named Artie, so I was like,
what are you talking about? Be like her, She's great,
she was a darling person. Read a book, man, don't
read catch her in the rye.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Just stop yourself right there. Yeah? Uh, is that it
for us? Elvis? Elvis will, Elvis will let us know
when that's it? What do you think, Elvis? Are we done? Elvis?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
One day I'm want to talk to him and he's
going to be like, ladies, let's wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
The gods have spoken.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, thank you for listening.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Go down my favorite.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Murder on on the fucking Instagram Twitter.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
There's a Twitter. There's all kinds of course, the Facebook page.
There's all kinds of ways that you can participate. Thank
you for listening.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, tell a friend and tell his sister, Elvis, do
you want to cookie?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
You want to cookie? Stay sexy, don't get murdered?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Nice? All right?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Well, I mean there was our brilliant I feel very
proud for some reason of us thinking of doing this episode.
Of like all the things that we didn't know and
all the things that we were innocent of and just
kind of hanging out. I feel like this was great producing.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
On our on our partly and really when it came
down to probably it was neither of us had our
homework done and we were scrambling and sweating, and I'm
really good at excuses, and we're like good at figuring
out like how to get around things.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, a workaround, a work around, a fix A kind
of like it's the same. It's the reason that Guy
Brandham came on and answered legal questions because it was
like I was like, I it is nighttime. There's no
way I'm finishing this document, and I don't know what
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I feel like when you're the little sister of the family,
you figure out you get like squirrely and you are
in a maze your entire life and you figure out
the right turns and if we're not the right turns,
you fucking scratch through the wall and make them the
right turn.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, because if you don't, you'll get left behind and
made fun of. And you can hear everybody on the
rest of the maze having the best working time without
you making fun of you, so you better get over there, Gal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Get your ass over there. And that's what my favorite
murder is. It's a fucking scratching through the wall of
the maze to get to the finish line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yes, the party that actually isn't there and you just
imagined it. But hey, you got out of the maze.
Sure did good job. All right, So let's see, we're
going to rename this if we had to rename this
episode from basically just an episode that says what it is, yeah,
which I you know, why rename it. But if we

(01:01:02):
had to, the suggestion was when I say listen and judge.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, that's it. Listen and love or listen and judge.
That's pretty good. That sounds like us. Yeah, I mean
that's yeah, that's what you guys do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
All right. Well, that's that's all we can squeeze out
of that old rock.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
You guys have been bringing the goods for us and
making minisodes and hometown episodes possible for nine years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
We really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
We really do. Thank you for listening to this episode rewind.
We'll keep doing them if you keep listening. Yeah, onsday
sex and don't get murdered. Goodbye Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
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