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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to a moment of Zen. Time to sit back
and relax. As model, actress, mentor and super mom, Zen
SAMs takes you on a sexy and wild ride covering
the latest in film, fashion, pop culture, cryptocurrency, fintech, cannabis,
and entertainment from the millennial mom's perspective. Here's your host,

(00:29):
Zen SAMs.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome back, beautiful New York Tri State area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
seven ten. Woar the voice of New York iHeartRadio.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I'm your host, Zenzams.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Here's to another exciting episode, Episode two hundred and sixty two.
Today's lineup is a powerful reflection of where business, beauty,
culture and human connection are all heading driven by innovation, intension,
and meaning. We begin in the Heart of Influence series
brought to you by Diamond Lake and its subsidiaries, with
Brian Jesposito, founder and CEO of Diamond Lake, alongside Mitchell Diremondo,

(01:05):
co founder of Steelwave Digital, breaking down the future of tokenization,
digital assets, infrastructure, and what it really takes to build
influence in today's evolving financial landscape. Then, in Sculpting the
Future series brought to you by Aloclay, were joined by
world renowned plastic surgeon doctor alfredro Hoyos as we explore
the shift from traditional fat transfer into true body architecture

(01:29):
and how structural adipose innovation is redefining precision and natural
results in aesthetic medicine. You no longer need your fat,
you can use somebody else's. In the Lifestyle Edit brought
to you by Melia Hotels International, we sit down with
Laura de Vega Gonzalez, Global VP of Food and Beverage.
We're going to unpack how modern luxury is moving beyond

(01:51):
standardized experiences into intentional, cultural, immersive culinary storytelling. Then in
the Hydration with Heart series brought to you by One
spawn A Codett, we're joined by Gabe Einhorn, founder of
the faith driven platform Praise, alongside Kenny Santucci, fitness expert
and founder of Strong New York, diving into faith discipline

(02:11):
and what it means to stay grounded and spiritually strong
in a culture that often feels disconnected. And finally we
head to Texas for the Boski Ranch Live Speaker Series
brought to you by Boski Ranch Live with entrepreneur and
professional cutter Link Clifton.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
We're going to break down how he's building business infrastructure
and community around one of the fastestcoring cultural destinations leading
up to September twelfth.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
At Boski Ranch Live Experience. You want to stay tuned
right here on a moment of Zen. We'll be right
back with Link Clifton in the Boski Ranch Live Speaker Series.
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Speaker 4 (02:50):
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Speaker 3 (03:22):
Welcome back, beautiful New York Tri State Area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
seven ten woar the voice of New York iHeartRadio. I'm
your host, Zenzam's Welcome back to the Boski Ranch Live
Speaker series brought to you by Boski Ranch Live. We're
stepping into the business of the West today where performance, entrepreneurship,

(03:43):
and community all intersect. Because what's happening at Bosky Ranch
isn't just about competition, It's about infrastructure. This six hundred
acre working ranch in Weatherford, Texas, owned by Taylor Sheridan,
has evolved into a destination where elite, cutting horse events,
music and culture all converge. And as everything builds towards

(04:03):
the September twelfth Boski Ranch a live concert event, what
becomes clear is this experiences at this level don't just happen.
They're supported by people who understand how to build around them,
Which brings me to today's headliner. We're going from Marina
to Empire and chatting how Link Clifton is building businesses,
community and culture around Bosky Ranch Live.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Joining me right now is Link himself.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
He's an established cutter, an entrepreneur and a local business
owner deeply embedded in the Boski Ranch community. His wife,
Bonnie Clifton, recently secured the champion title in the fifty
thousand dollars Amateur class at the twenty twenty five Boski
Ranch Circuit Finals, which is a significant win in one
of the most competitive spaces in cutting and beyond the arena,
Link is building businesses that directly support the flow of people,

(04:51):
movement and experience around the Ranch, from Big Star Trucking
to a Vlero station located just down the road from
Boski Ranch, to Pepe's Street, Tacos and Tamales, all of
which were activated during Bosky Ranch Live last year, and
most recently, expanding into regional infrastructure, Link has stepped into
ownership of the Granbury Regional Airport, continuing to invest in

(05:13):
accessibility and growth across the area. Link Welcome to the show, Superstar.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
I'm all about Superstar. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh boy, you are a superstar. Look at all these accomplishments.
You have a way of really kind of letting all
your businesses converge in the perfect time and congratulations, thank you.
What stands out about you is that you didn't just
show up to the ranch. I mean you built around it.
From Big Star Trucking to your Valero location. You've really
created businesses that serve the exact flow of people coming

(05:44):
in and out of this environment.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
How intentional was.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
That building where demand already exists instead of trying to
create it elsewhere.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
The county that we're in is basically Partner County. They
got moved up to the sixth fastest grown county in
the worldwide United States. I kind of sold a bunch
of stuff and the Oldfield business is kind of redeployed
my capital down here around Bosky rants in this area
because the growth people are great. It's more of a

(06:14):
Western family atmosphere and Bosky and Taylor all the things
that they've done in around here. Everybody wants to taste
of that. And so the station that we built up
around Bosky kind of promised my wife I've put a
mini grocery store in if I got her to move
out here. So that's that's kind of how it started.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Oh that's a guy. I hope you lived up to that.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean, that's that's strategic positioning right, meeting people exactly
where they are and when they need it most. This
is kind of exciting, So I want to highlight something
very practical for our listeners. So your Valero is located
just down the street from Bosky And it's not just gas,
right you just said, it's convenience, it's accessibility. And it's
also home to Pepe's Street Tacos and to my which

(07:00):
we'll be serving food again during Boski Ranch Lives this year.
So for anyone heading to the September twelfth event, why
should this be a must stop on their way in
or out?

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Oh, but we kind of made it a rule kind
of atmosphere. We have all the Peppe Street tacos, We
have all these Hispanic ladies that make everything fresh from
the tamalis to the tacos. I think we've got awarded
in the county the number one Insla is. Also we
put in a mini grocery store. Anything you want. We

(07:31):
have fresh produce, we have cast rolls, frozen cast rolls,
we have steaks, Hamburger. It's almost like a little mini
grocery store. We also have a sonic. I own some sonics.
We have a sonic, So it's kind of got a
little bit of everything, and we're actually adding barbecue. We'll
have the barbecue pit running before the Bosky concert series.

(07:55):
So anything that anybody wants, we have it there. Everybody
must stop there.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I'm going to be, without a doubt there with bells
on right before I make my ground, make my landing
to Boski. So that's inside our knowledge because knowing where
to stop, fuel up and eat changes the entire experience
of the day.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
And it sounds like, well, we only got one real choice,
and it's you, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
So all three of your businesses were represented during Boski
Ranch Live last year. What was that like for you
and what did you take away from seeing your businesses
integrated into something of that scale?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
And the Boski team put together an unbelievable event. I
think they had five to seven hundred tickets and they
sold out within the first day, I think within hours.
And I tied it in on a couple of my
other companies, and I had all my other employees there
helping get more involved in as a team and a
group and more family. I think the concert series that

(08:53):
they put together amazing, that the talent was great. They
had a lot of different vendors. They have camp sites
that they could go cookouts. I mean, they pretty much
catered around a Rants lifestyle. It was just a fun event.
I'm doing it again for my employees this year and

(09:15):
for you know, being part of the community there in
Bosky in the area. So great event, and I think
they have some good headliners this year, I've been told,
so it should be a lot of fun this year.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
And what's interesting is how quickly the ranch itself has
grown as a destination. What has it been like building
alongside that growth and seeing it expand into something this dynamic.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
It's been amazing on what Buskie Rants and Taylor have
done to the whole community. And he keeps adding and
making it more world class. I've been fortunate enough to
been to a lot of different places around the world,
and I've been to Kentucky and thorough Red barns and
breeding farms. He just built the new he moved part

(10:00):
of the four to six is Stallion barn there that
in my opinion, is nice or better than any of
the barns I've been to Kentucky. So it's exciting to
be a part of it and to be there because
it's ever changing. He just he keeps making it more exclusive.
Everybody wants to be a part of it. Everybody wants

(10:20):
to get in the community and or around the community.
So it's from being at the beginning to where it's
at today and waiting for him to or bosc you
to do the next edition, and we're all kind of
waiting to see what he does next. It's been amazing.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, I'm so excited to attend.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I can't wait to meet you in person and shake
your hand and come check out Pepe's and they're Valero
and we're going.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
To have a great time.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Well, I look forward to it and appreciate your time
and anything that we can bring Texas hospitalities. Do you guys,
let us know we'll do our best.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
For those of you who want to check out Big
Star Trucking, you could head directly on the ground at
Big Star Trucking and at bj Underscore Cliff and you
could head directly to their website Big Star Trucking dot com.
And for our listeners, if you're heading to Bosky Ranch
on September twelfth, make sure you plan it right, know
where you're stopping, where you're eating and how you're getting there,
because the experience starts before you even arrive. You're listening

(11:15):
to a moment of Zen right here on seven ten wor,
the voice of New York iHeartRadio. Make sure you're heading
to Boskyranchlive dot com to get your tickets for September twelfth.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I'll see you there.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
A Moment of Zen is brought to you by Bosky
Ranch Live Concert Series. Country music's roots are deep and diverse,
with stories told through raw emotion that bridge tradition and progress.
Master storyteller Taylor Sheridan's music concert series at Bosky Ranch
offers audiences the chance to experience both the finest country
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(11:47):
Western way of life and championing the people and brands
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Speaker 3 (11:55):
Welcome back, Beautiful New York Tri State area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
seven to ten woar the voice of New York iHeartRadio.
I'm your host, Zen Sam's Welcome Back to the Heart
of Influence series brought to you by Diamond Lake and
its subsidiaries, where we decode the intersection of capital culture
and what's coming next. Today we're stepping into a space

(12:18):
that's quietly becoming a multi trillion dollar conversation tokenization. According
to estimates from firms like BCG, tokenized assets are going
to reach sixteen trillion dollars by the year twenty thirty.
That's not a trend, that's infrastructure being rebuilt. And joining
me now are two men helping architect that shift in

(12:39):
real time. Our regular co contributor, Brian Jsposito, founder and
CEO of Diamond Lake and Esposito Intellectual Enterprises, known globally
for its structuring high impact ventures across private equity, fintech,
and emerging technologies. And Mitchell Jrrimondo, CEO of ECI and
co founder of Steelwave Digital, where he's leading the charge

(13:00):
in digitizing commercial real estate and capital markets through blockchain. Together,
they've just formed a strategic partnership that's going to redefine
how we think about ownership, access, and liquidity. Welcome to
the show, gentlemen, Thank you.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
For having us.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Thanks great to be here.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
All right, Brian, so nice to have you back. My friend,
I'd like to set the stage with you. So we've
watched industries digitized before music, media, even money, but ownership
has always been the last frontier, and historically access to
high value assets like real estate or private deals has
been limited to a small percentage of the population. So, Brian,

(13:37):
when you look at tokenization, are we witnessing an evolution
or a complete rewrite of how capital markets function?

Speaker 6 (13:43):
I would say combination of both. But the revolution wouldn't
be sustainable or have any meet behind it unless there's
a great pipeline of great assets with real value run
by real seats and management know how to identify these
assets and be able to share this with retail token
investors around the world. And our model has always been
a hybrid approach. And what does the traditional capital markets

(14:05):
look like? How do you shift them and walk them
into this new digital wave of how do you tokenize
an asset? And of course as a public company and
in my entire history, how do you do it in
a regulated environment and not do any think that's some
gating trouble or put any as your stakeholders or investors
in harm's way. So with everything happening here in the
United States and the new administration with this massive push
on the USA being the crypto capital in the world,

(14:27):
and then incredible companies and visionaries like Mitch and Steelwave
and VCI. It's perfect alignment of leaders that understand where
the feature is going with an adapter die mentality, and
how do you break these two worlds together?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
And right there, Brian, that distinction matters because if this
is a rewrite, then we're not just talking about opportunity,
We're talking about a redistribution of access at scale.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
So you're one hundred percent right.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So, Mitch, real estate alone represents one of the largest
asset classes in the world, over three hundred trillion globally,
yet it's notoriously e liquid. So break this down simply
for me, Mitch, what does it actually mean to tokenize
real estate and how does that change the experience for
the every day investor?

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Yeah, I think you can look at it them in
two ways. Like, first, it really opens up the door
for every day investors to step into an asset class
that previously was gate kept right. You had big minimums,
you know, it was really oriented towards like family offices,
sovereign wells, pension funds. But it was not your everyday investor.
So you're really basically fractionalizing the ownership down to a

(15:31):
small enough number where they can play. Now on the
other side of it, for the developer like us, it
gives liquidity to these previously illiquid assets, Right, We're not
having to cycle our capital or sell assets where previously
we were. Now we get to kind of hold it
on our balance sheet, control these cool assets that we
make with selling out some of the cash flows. You know,

(15:51):
there's different ways to do it, but it really opens
up the door for you know, the next stage of finance,
especially in a private asset class like you know, commercial
real estate.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, and I think you said, I mean that's where
it clicks because now we're not just talking about ownership,
we're talking about participation in markets that people were previously
locked out of, Like you said that gatekeeping.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
So this is true revolution exactly.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So, Brian, from a partnership strategy, I mean, the most
powerful shifts don't happen in isolation. They really happen through alignment,
when infrastructure meets execution.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
So what made this partnership with Mitch and ECI the
right move right now? And what gap does it fill
in the current market.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
There was very serendipitous us meeting and discussing both of
our visions, which aligned almost identical. What they've been working
on for many years is right in lock and step
with our vision and strategy. You know, the problem we
believe we're going to solve together is a great, incredible
off market deal flow that the MITCHET they will be
bringing in the asset classes. And again we rely heavily

(16:53):
on professionalism and executives that understand how to protect value,
how to boost balance sheets, and Mitch and his family
and team proved to do that for I think it's
nearly fifty years as far as steel A has been around,
and then what Celia Digital has been building. And then
with Diamond Lak as a public company, we introduce this
hybrid approach of how to utilize the public markets, how
do you utilize our combined tokenization strategy, and how do

(17:15):
you go after grade assets that are things that we
want to keep and not be forced to sell or
forced to be pushed out up because of either an
LP strategy or a liquid situation where you're balance sheet
or a capital call or bank needs the asset back.
We want to create this perfect loop of finding great assets,
providing value for our token holders or our future token holders,

(17:36):
providing value for a ty and for shareholders.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean, wow, not only does this feel like a partnership,
but it feels like a bridge being built between traditional
finance and what's next.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Congratulations. So, Mitch, this is a perfect question for you.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
We hear tokenization everywhere, but there's still a gap between
concept and real world application. Where are we actually seeing
this work today? Are there real examples of tokenized assets
performing in the market currently?

Speaker 7 (18:04):
Yeah? I think Look, you know, Brian touched on this earlier.
You have to go about this in a pretty you know,
hybrid method the way we look at it, right, You're
not going to get your everyday investor to go backbone
some big private, you know, real estate development deal. But
what we are seeing slowly is regulators start to open
their eyes. You know, you're seeing simple securities, money markets,

(18:26):
stuff that people can wrap their head around, start to
go un chain first, right, and then you start to
see regulation come around that. I think the next step
will be you know, private assets, real estate specifically. I
think the way that Diamond Lake's going about it is
the way and the model that people should start to
think about. Right, you're utilizing the traditional rails while still

(18:47):
augmenting it with the future of finance through tokenization. So
you're not, you know, pinned to one or the other.
But I will say, yes, it's happening. It's happening faster
than I think I expected because the administration is very
open to it now, right, you know, they want the
US to be the forefront of it. I think they're
allowing regulation to happen because of it. But yeah, I
think look over twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven, you're

(19:09):
going to start to see projects get tokenized. You know,
you saw what Robin Hood was doing with some of
the privates that they offered on there. You know, it's
it's getting creative, and I think you're going to start
to see that happen more often.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
You said it, so, Mitch, there's a narrative that tokenization
democratizes access, but some critics really argue it could simply
repackage exclusivity in a digital format. Right, So does tokenization
truly level the playing field or are we just creating
a more sophisticated version of gatekeeping.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
I mean, look, it has the potential to do both,
right and it comes down to who's the one right
in the regulation, who's the one that's, you know, bringing
product to market, and where's that product focused. I think
it's going to be a big push to really start
to open up these assets. You don't want to have
the previous gatekeeping in there. And I think it's really
starting to be pushed by a retail investor. They're getting

(20:02):
more educated. They want more involvement and more complex assets.
They don't want to just play in money markets anymore, right,
They want to actually get access to things that their
institutions are playing in. So I think, look in theory,
it will completely democratize what's previously been untouchable. But it
needs to happen first, and regulators need to make clear
guard rails for that to happen safely. And it has

(20:26):
to have assets that are really good quality.

Speaker 9 (20:28):
Right.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
You can't have some single family home in the Midwest.
It needs to be and arail's campus or a big
life science deal or data center that people actually understand
and want to get involved in.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, we are at the end of our date. My friends, Brian.
Always a pleasure having you on Mitch. Thank you for
the insight. I love chatting with you and I.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Learned a ton.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Thank you so much for having me. This has been phenomenal.
Thanks Seth.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
You can learn more by visiting Diamondlake directly at Diamondlake
dot com. You can go to e Dash Colbalt dot
io and Steelwave l dot com, and of course you
can also check them out all over Instagram at Mitch
Diremondo and at Brian Underscore, j Underscore Esposito. And as always,
this is the heart of influence, brought to you by
Diamond Lake and its subsidiaries, where influence isn't just built,

(21:15):
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anything to restore the volume with and the patient suddenly
ends without formity. So the essence of this is that
we have now a solution that we didn't have before.
The explanted patient, for me, is one of the top
patients nowadays because he's a patient that is not willing

(26:57):
to have an implant because they already to remove the
implant for some reason and they don't have enough volume
to restore it, so they have deformities already. The second
part is the patient who wants to have some brastommanation,
some degree of presummitation. Is not for replacing big implants,
but anything from one hundred and fifty two hundred ccs
and below. Some patients are not willing to have implants nowadays.

(27:21):
We're in an era that patients are taking care more
of themselves and they don't want to have any foreign
body inside of them. So I think this is the
future in terms of what we are going ahead in
terms of gaining volume, but at the same time not
having foreign bodies.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Sinentiretia, you're speaking my love language. You know why because
I was that explant patient. I had implants for fourteen
years that eventually failed me, and when I explanted, I
was left with no solution and I refused.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
To implant anything in my body.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
And I had alloclay done in September of twenty twenty five,
and it was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I increased one.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Cup size, it was easy, it was under ninety minutes
local anesthesia, and you are one hundred percent correct. It
solved a huge problem for me because I didn't have
enough fat to.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Give and I was going to just be okay with
my little pancakes.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
But now now I got some full ones, and that's
thanks to alloclay, which brings me to the next question.
How meaningful is that no harvesting advantage in your practice,
especially for leeing patients or for women who want refinement
but are not ideal candidates for traditional fat transfer.

Speaker 10 (28:31):
Well, it's huge because it converts something that used to
have a surgery that needed an r it actually is
an expense for the surgeon and for the patient in
terms of financial and time an effort added the complications
that it may arise versus an office procedure, and nowadays

(28:53):
the problem of the donor size, that is.

Speaker 9 (28:55):
Where are we going to struct the fat from? Where
are we going to get this filler from?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Is gone.

Speaker 9 (29:00):
Now The problem is that the sky is the limit,
you know, so we can use whatever we want. Is
actually up to the serving, up to the person that
is gonna call is gonna put this filler in. But
it's an office procedure so it can be done on
the local. Is less painful, their recovery is very fast.
And among all the things it has, I seek the

(29:24):
perfect combination of what we call the biocompatibility and easy.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, and that really feels like like the unlocked because
it expands access without forcing the patient into a bigger
procedure just to get to the to the starting line. So,
like you said, so let's talk about safety. Tiger states
that Alloqui is terminally sterilized, intended for single patient use,
has minimized DNA content, reduced free oil fraction, and is

(29:51):
intended for localized subcutaneous placement. It's safety information also notes
possible complications including nodules, pain, infections, hum atoma, and it
has a laundry list. So what gives you confidence in
a product like alloclay from a science and safety standpoint,
and what should both surgeons and patients understand about appropriate
using patient selection.

Speaker 9 (30:10):
I think the main objective right now that is something
that alloclay solved entire you solve is the way to
process cells in a way that they react to the
immunity and in terms of immunity to the host. So
I think they solve the problem that was the problem,

(30:31):
that was the holy grail in terms of fellers, in
terms of putting new cells, meaning cells from other persons
into your body without generating reaction. I think they perfected
this system. I think it's so important that right now
we can say it's a new era of not only

(30:52):
the filling but also the allotransplantation of fat cells or
other types of cells into a person that meets it.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, you said it, and we are out of time.
We covered it all. Doctor Hoyos.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
This was such a strong conversation because it really clarified
where the field is going, not just in theory, but
in actual practice.

Speaker 9 (31:13):
Thank you for educating us, Thank you very much for
having me, Thank you very much, San for your time,
and thank you to the audience.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
To follow doctor Alfredo Hoyos, you could visit him directly
on the gram.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
He's very active. He's got a really cool page.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You can follow him at Alfredo Hoyos MD, and you
could check out more of his high depth work at
doctor Hoyos HD. You could check out his website Alfredohoyos
dot com. You're listening to a moment of Zen right
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Speaker 3 (32:12):
Welcome back, beautiful New York tri state area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
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Speaker 4 (32:22):
I'm your host, Zen Sam's Welcome to the Lifestyle edit
brought to you by our incredible partners at Milia Hotels International.
Let's be real for a second. There's a massive problem
in the luxury travel marketplace. For decades, the all inclusive model.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Was a race to the bottom, characterized by lukewarm buffets
and gross, mass produced food that felt more like a
cafeteria than a five star escape. In fact, twenty twenty
six consumer reports show that seventy percent of luxury travelers
now feel hotel dining has become too standardized and generic.

(32:59):
They're tired of paying premium crisis for uninspired experiences. The
solution well a radical pivot toward destination inclusive hospitality where
the food isn't just a meal, it's a portal to
the culture. And there's one woman leading that global charge.
We're going to be chatting with Laura de Vega Gonzalez.

(33:21):
She's going to be joining us right now. Laura is
a Spanish hospitality powerhouse with over twenty years of elite experience.
She's the Global VP of Food and Beverage at Melia
Hotels International. She leads the group's global culinary strategy, driving
innovation across iconic brands like Zell me by Melia and
the Soulful PARADISUS. From her roots in Palma de Majorca

(33:44):
to leading global FMB development for Melia's Luxury tier, Laura
is recognized for her strategic vision of astronomy as the
number one driver of brand value. Laura, welcome to the show, Superstar.

Speaker 11 (33:57):
Thank you so mad Sam.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
You are such an ex spirit and of course this
is so fitting the old all inclusive model. Laura was
built on more is more, but today's traveler wants better
is more, and statistics show that seventy five percent of
luxury diners now rank food quality and flavor as the
single most important factor in their stay. So how are

(34:19):
you specifically dismantling the industrial buffet stigma and replacing it
with the intimacy of a boutique alocarte experience.

Speaker 11 (34:29):
You know, we truly believe that less is more and
maintaining how quality is something essential that our travelers are following. No,
our requests nowadays, today's cats are more knowgable about astronomy. No,
they are more travel They are not only interested in
the local ingredients, but also where they come from now,

(34:49):
which is their origin, how they are grown, the richness
of the land where they come from. So as a roseult,
these buffettes have all been into market style or life
cooking stations where our chiefs have also the possibility to
interact with the guests and showcase their expertise about the product,

(35:09):
about how they're cooking it. And we are moving a
lot on to this hybrid model nowhere we have the
combined buffette, but also with some hot a la carte
modern options. Okay, so there are more flexibility, you know,
to to choose from a wide variety into a high

(35:31):
quality dishes.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah. I love that.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I love that it's about quality over volume and as
I always say, abundance without intentionality.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Is just clutter. But moving towards.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
These curated, high touch concepts, you're actually respecting the guest
palette and their time and I appreciate that as a traveler.
Now I want to chat about the chef as a
cultural ambassador. So Melia has been incredibly mindful in its
talent strategy, partnering with Michelin icons like Martin Verse Tegrit.

(36:04):
So when you're looking for a chef to lead a
luxury property in a market like Bali or Mexico, what
are you looking for beyond the technical skille? I mean,
how do they help translate the destination for a guest
who is tired of the generic luxury.

Speaker 11 (36:21):
We partner with them not only for the technical purpose,
you know, because they know this as a starting post,
but also for a connecting. A great chef must deeply
be curious about the destination where it is, not how
it represented, the history, the history of the place its producers.

(36:41):
We want them to elevate the local talent No and
collaborated also with artisans Noah or artists that are around no.
We have examples where we put the work of the
artisans into our plates or glass where you know, to
bring it to our theme a risk.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
You're not just hiring a cook, right, You're hiring a storyteller.
And when you bring a multi michelin start perspective like
vetes Teg, you're telling the guests that we aren't just
feeding you, we're honoring the craft.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
So I love that.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Now I want to talk about destination inclusive versus the
resort bubble. So you've introduced the destination inclusive concept and
data shows that fifty two percent of affluent travelers now
prioritize cultural immersion over traditional opulence. How does the food
and beverage strategy bridge that gap? Are you literally taking

(37:37):
the walls down and bringing the local community onto the.

Speaker 11 (37:40):
Plate, particularly through the Nadishus brando where the destination includes
cites all about making the destination part of this day
instead of keeping guests inside.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Of our walls. As you're saying, no.

Speaker 11 (37:55):
So this family strategy is one of the strongest bridges
with wayf that No. We bring the local soul on
the guess plates in well three in three different ways. Now,
first by sourcing ingredients didn't leave from the community. This
is something that we asked to our chairs. Okay, so
we were with local farmers Fishermans is if we are

(38:17):
on the coast. But it's not only doing it, you know,
through through showing it on the restaurant, because we try
also to do you know, and look to the dining experience,
you know, and in doing immersive experiences you know, things
like cooking classes, you know, with local chairs that we
bring into the into the properties. Uh sometimes we take

(38:40):
our guests to busy their markets or their fans, you know,
so it looks really inclusive, opens the door, you know,
to the real heart and soul of the community.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I love it and it's brilliant because it solves the
resort and bubble problem. Right if you stay at a
resort and never taste the actual soul of the country,
you act, we haven't really traveled.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
So you're offering a solution to the standardized hotel trap.
I love it, Lada. This has been such a great segment.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
This is a powerful note to end on because it
reminds us that at the end of the day, even
in a high tech AI driven world, the most luxury
thing we can offer is a genuine human moment over
a shared meal.

Speaker 11 (39:22):
That's true, and we do share this villion and we
try to implement it in our properties, so thank you
for having me.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
That was Lara de Vega Gonzalez, Global VP of Food
and Beverage at Melia Hotels International. You can visit them
directly at Melia dot com. That's me e La dot com.
You can go directly on the Gram at Melia dot
Hotels dot International, and of course, if you want to
check out Lada, she's directly on LinkedIn at Lada de

(39:53):
Vega Gonzalez.

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Speaker 3 (40:32):
Welcome back, Beautiful, New York tri State area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of zen right here on
seven ten woar the voice of New York iHeartRadio. I'm
your host, zen Zams. Today we're stepping into another Hydration
with Heart conversation brought to you by the one and
only Once Upon a Coconut. This is the series where
hydration isn't just about what we drink. It's about what

(40:53):
sustains this emotionally, spiritually, and morally, especially in seasons when
the world feels heavy, divided and uncertain. Joining me are
two men whose work lives at the intersection of belief, discipline,
and leadership. First, we have our recurring contributor, Gabe Einhorn.
He's a twenty three year old entrepreneur and founder of Praise,
a fast growing faith based clothing and media brand built

(41:17):
to spread belief in a modern, authentic way. And joining
him is Kenny Santucci, a nationally recognized fitness expert, elite athlete,
an entrepreneur known for his nobs approach to transformation. He's
the founder of Strong New York, owner of the Strength
Club right here in New York City and New Jersey,
and has trained everyone from Hollywood icons to everyday athletes

(41:39):
his work while it's rooted in disciplined community and real
strength inside and out.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Welcome to the show, Superstars.

Speaker 8 (41:45):
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 12 (41:46):
Thank you so much, Gabe.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Let's go back to the foundation here.

Speaker 13 (41:50):
Praise is rooted in belief, right, but you express faith
in a way that feels modern and accessible and real,
especially for the younger generations who may feel disconnected from
spirituality or even their own organized religion. So what does
prayer look like in your life today and how has
it maybe shaped the way you build, the way you lead,

(42:11):
and more importantly, the risks that you're taking as a
young entrepreneur.

Speaker 8 (42:15):
Prayer is the most important thing for me. I start
my day with the prayer. The second I wake up,
I try to thank God. It's part of Jewish culture
to thank God for waking me up today. So that's
how I try to start my day, no matter what.
And one thing that I try to tell people too
is throughout the day you could just talk to God.
It doesn't have to be some formal prayer, but really
just seeing God throughout the day, whether things are going
hard or things are going well, and you could just

(42:36):
look up to the sky talk out loud, it could
be in simple English and just talking to God. That's
really how I try to have prayer through my day
to day.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
And it's interesting because the way that you position it,
you do it without boundaries, because there's no line that
you draw. You don't know where people are coming from,
you don't know who they are, and you go up
to them with the same intensity and the same reciprocation.
And I love that consistency about you and people in
Times Squad, they really respond.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:03):
Yeah, it's been interesting seeing what random people say about prayer.
I've also spoken to athletes influencers about it too, and
it's cool to see that people are really connected by
prayer in different ways.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Now, Kenny, you're known for discipline, of course, and that
intensity that you bring in the physical performance, but transformation
doesn't stop at the body, right, So how is faith
and belief or connection to something greater than yourself influenced
your own personal journey as an athlete and a man
responsible for guiding others.

Speaker 12 (43:31):
Well, I think a person without any faith is a
lost soul. And when you have no belief in anything,
and now it doesn't have to be a certain religion
or a certain ideology of any sort. You just need
to have some faith beyond what we currently understand. And
I tell people all the time, you know, having belief

(43:52):
in yourself is so important, and I believe the gateway
drug to understanding that and getting there is taking better
care of yourself. When you start to make sure that
you become the number one priority in your life so
that you could help other people. I think that's where
it all kind of stems from, and that's what my
understanding of faith is. I think people everyone needs some
sort of faith. Everybody needs something. I grew up Catholic,

(44:15):
but as I've gotten older, I just admire all religions
and I think there's something to be said if it
was think about how many ideas come and go these days,
and you know, it's here today, gone tomorrow. But faith
has been around for thousands of years. We've always needed this,
We've always had some sort of belief in a higher power.

(44:36):
And it's not something that we just came up within
the nineties or something. This is thousands of years old,
so there's something to it. And I think everybody, you know,
when you're starting to see these younger generations, I admire
guys like him, who you know, really put their faith forward.
I think it's important. I think you're going to inspire
a lot more people by pushing that out there. And again,

(44:57):
like I said, I don't care what the religion is
when you have I have other people's best intentions involved,
because if you look at the top world religions, it's
all about they're all saying the same thing. Treat others
the way you want to be treated. I think at
the end of the day, it's always about leading a
better life for yourself and for other people around you.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah, and it all comes back to karma.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
So, Gabe, you've become known for asking people in public
spaces did you pray today? And the answers are often
raw and emotional and even unexpected. What have those conversations
taught you about where people are spiritually right now, especially
the younger adults navigating the pressure and ambition and uncertainty.

Speaker 8 (45:37):
Yeah, it's been cool to see how people respond to
that question, especially because I try to keep religion out
of it and just focus on prayer in general. And
a lot of people have said, you know, I just
try to talk to God in my own way. I
talk to God all the time. People say, I talk
to God every day. So it's been cool to see
how most people don't say, oh, you know, prayer is
a burden to me, or prayer it feels like this
or that. Most people have responded very well, and it's

(45:58):
cool to see that a lot of people, especially in
my generation, are actually coming closer to prayer in God
through just talking. It doesn't have to be anything too formal.
So it's been a good experience for me.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
The generation is definitely coming full circle.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I always say every decade or so, there's a replenishment.
There's a new found way of thinking, believing, and seeing,
and spirituality is at its height right now. I don't
think people are very religious, but I do think that
they're very spiritual. And like I say to people, it
doesn't matter how you pray, just pray. So, Kenny, you've
trained all these elite performers and everyday people alike, and

(46:33):
you've seen what discipline.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Can and can't fix.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
So in your experience, what's the difference between someone who
is physically strong and someone who is truly grounded I
mean mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

Speaker 12 (46:46):
I mean there's a different result when you have that
mental understanding as well. You know, I've definitely seen a
lot of people who are physically strong and they kind
of only rely on that part of strength. And one
of the one of their taglines for Strong New York
is it's not just about picking up weights, It's about
picking up yourself and picking up other people. So you

(47:07):
need to be able to do that, and I think
you can't do that without some sort of understanding of
having a belief in yourself and a belief in a
higher power. So I encourage everybody to believe in yourself,
believe in whatever faith you have, and don't rely just

(47:29):
on your body. I think the body is the gateway
drug to leading you to a better life. I've seen
it with a lot of recovery clients that I've had,
whether it's alcohol or drug use. Exercise helps them get
to one place and then you need that faith in
yourself to get you to the next place.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So true, so true, wise words for real. Now I
want to shift to something heavier but necessary. So gay
anti Semitism. You know this better than anyone else.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
As a young Jewish founder building a.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Faith forward brand in a time when anti Semitism is rising,
and not quietly, but like very visibly. Many people are
feeling fear and anger and exhaustion. How do you personally
process what's happening right now? And how does prayer help
you stay grounded without becoming hardened or fearful.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
If you will.

Speaker 8 (48:18):
Yeah, anti Semitism is strong, and I think hate in
general is just strong across the board. Doesn't matter where
you're from. People are very hateful, people are filled with hate.
I think through belief in something greater than yourself, you're
more likely to have more love in your heart and
really care about other people. For me, prayer helps me
because I know that God's got me no matter what.
I try to be proud about my faith, about my religion.

(48:40):
I wear my keep, I wear my star. Sometimes it
gets dangerous out there. People say some crazy things, and
especially in New York City or I was in San
Francisco too, But prayer is a good way for me
to connect to God, to stay grounded when I do
face hate or when I see it around me, and
try to bring people back to the root, which is
having faith in something greater than you. We're all on
this world for reason. We're all similar in different ways,

(49:02):
and I think if we could all connect through faith
and through belief, it brings us together and takes that
all the hate in the world.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Well said, Well said, And for anyone listening out there,
you know, never ever be afraid to stand behind your
faith and your religion and who you are and who
you represent. And so I think that allyship and leadership
are so important Kenny, in watching your path and your journey.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
And I was studying who you are before you came here.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Today you operate in space is built on brotherhood and
respect and shared struggle, right Gym's teams competition, Yet we're
seeing more hatred and divisions spill into everyday life. Like
Gabe said, so, as a leader and community builder, how
do we combat anti semitism and religious hatred at the
human level, not politically but personally?

Speaker 4 (49:53):
What does real strength look.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Like in moments like this for you and everything you've built.

Speaker 12 (49:57):
I think I don't care who you are, or what
your background is, or who you want to moonlight as
you are, you know, I think we should all respect
each other, and somebody's religion or their belief system or
their ideologies should not impede on someone else's. You know,
I think for the better part of my life. I've

(50:20):
seen so many people thrive and it doesn't matter what
your background is, and it doesn't matter what card you
were dealt. People could still strive and survive and do
really well. And the fact that there's all this messaging
pushed out to complete idiots who believe it, you know,
for you to hate someone because of their background, their

(50:40):
skin color, whatever it may be, I think it's just insane.
I think what you were talking about with karma. When
we start to put out negative energy, it only comes
back to us. So when you're acting out of hatred
towards other people, it doesn't matter what their background is,
I don't care what you are. That's so ignorant and stupid.
I hate someone not even understanding why. You know, it's

(51:04):
gonna come back to you.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
WHOA.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
This has been a grounding and very necessary conversation, my friends.
So thank you both for showing that faith doesn't have
to divide us. It definitely can strengthen us and anchor
us and remind us who were called to be and
you are both living examples of this. So thank you Kenny,
and thank you Gabe for joining us on this incredible conversation.

Speaker 12 (51:23):
Thank you appreciate your having us.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Now you can follow Gabe Einhorn at Praise Studio directly
on Instagram and at Gabe Underscore Einhorn. You can learn
more at gopraise dot com and Kenny.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Of course you could follow Kenny.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
He's a big influencer on social media, tons and tons
of followers with an incredible content. Kenny Santucci at Kenny
Santucci at.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Strong New York, at the Strength Club and Why.

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at Strongnewyork dot com. And of course, today's Hydration with
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Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

Kingdom of Fraud

Kingdom of Fraud

It’s the unlikeliest of criminal partnerships: a devout polygamist from an insular Utah sect joining forces with a shadowy Armenian tycoon from LA. The result - a billion dollar fraud conspiracy. In Kingdom of Fraud, investigative reporter Michele McPhee traces the origins of the extraordinary alliance between Jacob Kingston and Levon Termendzhyan. Together, the two men trigger the largest tax investigation in American history and weave around themselves a web of dirty cops, influential political relationships and transnational money laundering. All this is set against the backdrop of Jacob Kingston’s clan – The Order. A powerful and secretive polygamist organization in Salt Lake City. To whom Jacob is desperate to prove his worth. Kingdom of Fraud is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcasts. For more from Novel, visit https://novel.audio/. You can listen to new episodes of Kingdom of Fraud completely ad-free and 1 week early with an iHeart True Crime+ subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “iHeart True Crime+, and subscribe today!

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