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converge as regulator's signal openness to recognize digital assets in
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rituals and the nervous system regulation, and how responsible medicinal
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You're listening to a moment of zen right here on
seven ten War, the voice of New York iHeartRadio. I'm
your host, Zenzam's Welcome back to the Hydration with Heart
segment brought to you by Once Upon a Coconut. My
next guest is Shelley Rodgers, known to millions as a
good Witch on social media. She's a cancer survivor, cannabis advocate,
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and a former occupational therapist who spent nearly thirty years
quietly blending tarret readings into her clinical practice. After a
cancer diagnosis cut her career short, Shelley endured years of
chronic intractable pain. The pharmaceuticals meant to help her eventually
left her feeling disconnected from herself, and that breaking point
(04:05):
became a turning point. Shelley turned to cannabis and art
as medicine, not as an escape, but as a way
back into her body, a choice she says, ultimately saved her.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Life and transformed her pain into purpose.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Today, she helps people heal, awaken, and rediscover themselves through
private tower readings and her social platforms where she shares
spiritual guidance, mindset tools, and everyday magic with a community
of more than six million people. This is a conversation
about survival, self trust, and what happens when science, intuition,
and lived experience meet.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Shelley. Welcome to the Hydration with Heart Segment Superstars. So
excited to have you on.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
So I'd like to.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Talk about defining the trauma and more survival mode. So
a lot of people think trauma is one big event, right,
but for many it's years of living in hypervigilance, your
nervous system.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Stuck on high alert.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So, without sharing anything you don't want to, can you
name what that difficult chapter looked like for you in
real life, like day to day, and how you knew
you were living in survival.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Mode in trigenal noraltia. First, I got chronic intractable pain
in my face just from going, going, going, going, you know,
the muscles are cramped down on the nerves, and so
I had to stop my practice. I couldn't return and
I had to deal with the pain for five years.
(05:34):
It didn't go away through the treatment and everything, and
I was taking all of the medications, the neurontan, the
OxyContin The effects are just like the doctors told me to.
And I went to the doctrine. I said, I spend
the whole day in bed. I want to be with
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my children. And you patted me on the head and
said take your medicine, girl. But I walked home googled
how to get off of oxycontum and it said gradually
and weed helps.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So I found that when I was at home in bed,
I was stuck in the pain in my body. When
I smoked a little bit, I could get up and
do things. And I found that the pain in my
face went away when I sculptured figure it of sculpture.
(06:34):
And when I pay attention to a sculpture and a
model and not paying attention to my body, and my
pain gradually subsided.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I work out three times a week, that's my physical meditation.
And I sculpted for three hours a week. And I
do that so that I have that body regeneration time
and that nervous system time that I go from an
excited through relaxed right very easily.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Now. I love this narrative.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And you know, cannabis helped you in ways that big
pharma couldn't and also helped you become more in touch
with yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
In twenty twenty two, it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Was about fifteen and a half percent of US adults
reported current cannabis use in CDC analysis, and many people
use it for symptom relief, pain, stress, sleep, especially when
other options haven't helped. In a JAMA Network Open Primary
Care study, many users reported symptom management reasons. So kind
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of what you just alluded to. So you're very open
about your cannabis use. What does therapeutic intentional use look
like on a daily level for you? What outside of
your anxiety and your transgeminal neuralgia, what boundaries make it
feel supportive rather than numbing.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
My cannabis use is not to get rid of the pain.
It's more that it helps me accept the pain and
that it allows me to be functional. I constantly have
pain in my knees. I've had them both replaced, and
then I went back and broke another one, and I'm
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you know, I got metal up and down in me.
But when I have a puff puff and I go
become active, I don't care anymore about the pain. I'll
be active and enjoy myself. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But if that's a demystification right there, right, it's not
party culture, it's not escape, it's intent, it's dosage awareness,
environment and accountability and everything that you're describing, I can
echo and back.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
The National Academy's review found conclusive substantial evidence for cannabinoids
in chemotherapy related nausea, vomiting, chronic pain, and even MS
related spasticity, and the American Cancer Society also summarizes benefits
for cancer related symptoms like nausea and appetite loss and
pain and sleep issues and anxiety, while emphasizing risks and
(09:20):
the need for clinical guidance are obviously something that people
have to goes hand in hand. But for the most part,
cannabis use is getting a great, great report card here. So, Shelley,
when someone is considering cannabis, what do you want them
to understand about responsibility and knowing whether it is or
it's not the right tool for them.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I am not a gandier. There are people out there
that know the product insight and out, and they're available,
and they're young, and they're indispensaries, and go talk to
them because it's an option that you would have if
a doctor offered you an option, you would consider it.
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And doctors will offer this as an option, consider it.
I'm not you know what is advocacy? I do it
makes me feel great. If you want to be like me,
do it too.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
But I.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Love my life. If everybody had a life like mine,
we would not have the difficulties that we have. If
we were all here with a family and friendship and
meaningful work and faith, we would all be able to
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live a life of peace and fulfillment. And if if
a little bit of medicinal use allows us to relax
in joy, then we can learn and grow. I'm all
for it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Now, when you talk about which the witch identity, let's
talk about this explained through science, because we're talking about
rituals and meaning and regulation.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
So which the witch piece?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Because the modern word treats it like aesthetics, but there's
real psychology underneath it. Research shows that rituals can reduce
anxiety and send and really help people feel a sense
of control, even when the ritual is quite simple. So
when you call yourself a good witch, what does that
mean in practical terms? What are the rituals or practices
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you use to bring people back to calmon clarity.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
To bring other people back to common calarity. There is
a concept in therapy called the therapeutic use of self.
And if you want to teach somebody how to self regulate,
you have to demonstrate self regular If you want them
to open up in conversation, the therapist sits open, you know,
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and working with patients, I would model the behavior that
I wanted them to learn. I learned biofeedback relaxation training
at age thirty. I was doing it with patients. We
are wired to scan the horizon for danger. If we're relaxed,
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we scan the horizon for safety. If we're tense, we
scan the horizon for danger. And whatever look we look
for we get. So by staying relaxed to get my
patients relaxed, I learn how my body is that reactive,
which is really a woman in total control of herself.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Well, we definitely had our moment of then right here
on our show. So thank you so much for joining me, Shelley.
You again, your transparency, your honesty, and your authenticity really
fueled this conversation.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
You know, if you see anything in me, no that
it's in you. We're scanning the environment for our good
and if you think I'm good, You're already there.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You definitely want to check out Shelley at a good
Witch official on Instagram and if you're someone navigating stress,
grief healing, or a life pivot, her work is a
reminder that calm is learnable and self trust is in
fact a practice. Directly to a good witchofficial dot com
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Welcome back, beautiful New York Tri State area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
seven to ten. Woor the Voice of New York iHeartRadio.
I'm your host, Zenzam's Welcome back to the Heart of
Influence segment brought to you by Diamondlake and its subsidiaries,
where leadership meets infrastructure. Today, we're not speculating, we're examining
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structural change. Fanny May and Freddie Mack back approximately seven
trillion in US residential mortgage obligations, and that's according to
the Federal Housing Finance Agency data. Together they support roughly
fifty percent of all US mortgages, and in twenty twenty five,
the FHFA directed both institutions to prepare to consider cryptocurrency
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as an asset in mortgage risk assessments. That's not fringe adoption,
that's instance titutional integration. Meanwhile, the US digital asset market
has fluctuated between one and three trillion in total.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Market cap over the past several years. And according to
Pure Research, you got twenty percent of US adults reporting
having invested, in, traded, or used cryptocurrency, and among adults
under thirty, this is where it gets interesting. Adoption rates
are materially higher. Now.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Housing remains the largest source of household wealth in America
and it represents roughly forty eight trillion in residential real
estate value according to the Federal Reserve Data. Right now,
when housing and crypto intersect, we're not talking about trend cycles,
We're talking about ownership models. Now joining me is Barry Habebe,
founder and CEO of MBS Highway.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Multi time Crystal Ball Award winner for the most accurate
housing market forecasts and newly appointed member of the board
of directors of Fanu May and my returning co contributor,
Brian jays Posito, founder of Esposito Intellectual Enterprises and architects
of Diamond Laked's multi industry ecosystem advancing aligned capital models
(16:05):
and tokenization frameworks across global markets. Welcome to the show, gentlemen.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
It's great to be here, Sar, thanks for having.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Us so excited. Barry, welcome to the show. I'm going
to start with you. So let's chat from.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
The institutional framing perspective. Right. The FHFA directive asking Fanny
May and Freddie mac to prepare to recognize cryptocryptocurrency as
an asset marks a potential policy evolution inside institutions that
really collectively influence trillions in mortgage liquidity. Right, and historically
underwriting frameworks have required liquidation of volatile assets before qualification.
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So from your vantage point, is this shift about modernizing
asset recognition or is it about preventing the housing finance
system from becoming disconnected from how wealth is actually accumulated today.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Well, it's such a good question, and you know, we
don't know exactly what the basis of why this is
you know, being considered now, but we can only assume
that as digital currency becomes more and more and more
in vogue and people begin to use it more, it's
just you know, just a matter of time with the
passage of the Genius Act to know that, you know,
(17:18):
stable coin is one area where you're going to start
to see that back by treasuries and seeing seeing more
acceptance of this eventually, could it fall into the housing market.
Of course that's just the natural progression. But as we
all know, certain digital currencies are highly valuable, so it
makes it difficult to value them. You know, just like
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if you had an account with your stockbroker and you said,
I want to margin against it. Well, there's certain stocks
that are not marginable because of the level of volatility
that are there. Digital assets and cryptocurrencies, I think as
potentially over time they become less have a less extraordinary
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volatility likeness to them, I think that might be more
acceptable to try and evaluate how you can utilize this
as as a way to use for down payment without
having to liquidate it, or towards your assets without having
to liquidate it. I think that's a logical thought process
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going forward. But in addition to that, could you use
digital assets potentially with transactions of real estate? And while
some of that's happening already, I think over time those
digital assets to be used to purchase real estate are
going to be submit. You will see more and more
of That's.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
A lot of food for thought. And it's interesting because
if nearly one in five American adults has engaged with crypto,
and younger demographics hold even greater exposure, then ignoring digital
assets isn't prudence right, it's distortion. And when institutions backing
half the US mortgage market begin adaptation, that really signals
that structural acknowledgment. They're not just experimenting right now. Brian
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BlackRock's approval of spot bitcoinytfs back in twenty twenty four
marked one of the clearest institutional signals get that digital assets.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It really signaled that digital assets are entering the what
we call regulated frameworks, right, and tokenization at its core
is about representing real world assets digitally for efficiency, liquidity,
and transparency.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's what we've been talking about on this series for months.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So when housing finance institutions begin recognizing crypto assets, does
that accelerate the legitimacy of tokenized real world assets? And
are we witnessing that early formation of hybrid financial infrastructure
right now?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
What do you think?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I think there's a lot going on. So I always
go back to the glob Boys network of banking, right,
Jamie Diamonds and the Chases of the world. There was
a tremendous amount of sitting of cash on those balance
seats back in the day, to banks like Signature Banks,
silver Gate Bank, Silicon Valley Bank. So how do you
get the money back into those banks?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Right?
Speaker 9 (20:10):
That's caught up in the one to three trillion that
you mentioned in cryptocurrencies. So when it comes to things
like okay, there's assets sitting in people's lives that are
now a digital asset. Our world is regulated digital asset.
So r WA's and Larry Fake himself said last year
it's a sixteen trillion dollar industry by twenty thirty. So
when you have FIA currencies and other assets and stocks
and equities or commodities that are now leaving those worlds
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into tokenization, any asset class such as a home is
going to have to be able to recognize it as
some sort of asset for the potential homeowner to be
able to utilize the leverage to buy that asset. The
other thing that comes across my mind is, well, this
is a great way to get FIA currency back into
banks if mortgage payments are now to be accepted by
a bitcoin for example, because I don't assume that the
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mortgage company, the bank that's accepting that bitcoin is going
to hold bitcoin. They're not converted back into a currency
for their for their balance sheet unless they have a
hedge on it, or they have some sort of a
risk tolerance level that they want to hold and they
think there's some upside. But in my mind, it's a
smart way to get cash back into these systems that
is now outside of these systems, And it's just I
think it's a brilliant move for the housing industry to say, hey, listen,
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there's people that have all tremendous amount of assets and
digital assets. Recognize the ones that are now institutionalized like
bitcoin ethereum. Our world is not that we're not speculators
in that we like real assets. We tokenize these assets,
and we like things that perform, appreciate and have some
sort of revenue generator attached to them.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, you make so much sense. I love I love
listening to you speak in this.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
I love listening too, like usually just talking to myself
all the time. So oh no, I think I an audience.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Now, Barry.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Housing affordability remains under strain, right, I mean, according to
the National Association of Realtors, the housing affordability index fell
to multi decade lows during the recent rate cycle, and
mortgage rates climbed over seven seven and a half percent
in twenty two through twenty four, materially impacting those.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
First time buyers. We heard the headliners, and at the
same time, the younger investors disproportionately hold digital assets compared
to older cohorts. I said that earlier on the statistic
is there so does crypto asset recognition meaningfully expand access
to housing or is this primarily a reflection of updated
balance sheet reality rather than access reform.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
I mean, well, you bring up some really really good points,
so let's let's unpack that. So, first of all, when
it comes to individuals that are struggling with affordability, that's
where you started off. But that's something that's real. However,
when you look at what the mean too aspects of
affordability are. Yes, price is one of them, but the
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mean too that will resolve affordability more rapidly. Well, one
is interest rates. If interest rates come down, and we've
seen some of that.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Now.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
We've had a little turbulence here because all prices have
shot up because of the raning conflict that we're in,
and as a result interest rates that we're resuming a
really good downtrend, and that was spiking activity. We've seen
that kind of take a little bit of a pause here.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
The other is.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Incomes, and over time, as incomes rise, if inflation stays
at modest levels and you have incomes above the rate
of inflation, affordability improves. I think of it is ends
that does take some time. We had a long period
of time where you had inflation well above what people
were earning increases, so you had nine percent inflation rise,
three percent income increases. That puts your affordability for everything
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at a negative right, so it makes everything more expensive.
And of course home price is rising and interest rates
rising that exacerbated the issue.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
We're now in a.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Situation where while affordability is still stretched and pressured, it
is slowly unwinding as interest rates someone and the results
you're seeing penny home sales rise rather dramatically. You also
see a lot of cash freed up as interest rates
come down and people can refinance. Now, with your question
about digital assets and how that plays a role and
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younger generation having that, I don't think it's as much
a recognition of it as if Look, if bitcoin gets
back up, I'm not saying it has to go to
one twenty six or beyond, and it might certainly do that,
but bitcoin has come down by about half ethereum almost
as much. And when you see people in that position,
oftentimes they're reluctant to let go of those assets, especially
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if they purchased on the way up and they're upside down.
So if they're thinking about a home purchase, they might
have the assets to do so. But if I liquidate
it now. I'm pretty upside down right now. Maybe I
will wait till I see prices come back. And it
would not surprise me to see a lot of these
younger individuals holding these types of assets that as we
see price appreciation there, they feel more comfortable liquidating some
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of their holdings and then entering into the real estate market.
That's what I think will happen.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
Oh, I just want to jump really quick. It's so accurate.
And there's also a different level of emotional connection to
a crypto currency holder than a traditional other type of
asset holder. There's a little bit more of a deeper
connection where they don't want to give it up. As
Barry said, there's a community there, there's this cult mentality
there that they're part of something, They're part of a movement,
they're part of some new change in the way that
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we operate as human beings. So there's a lot deeper
mindset and psychology to itself. As those brilliantly said, Barry, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well without a doubt, Now, Brian, trust in institutions has
been volatile, to say the least, and when you look
at the trust barometer. I bring this up all the time.
The Edelman Trust Barometer consistently shows that confidence in financial
and governmental institutions fluctuate significantly year over year.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Now, blockchain based systems are often described as trustless, meaning
they rely on verification rather than reputation. So is tokenization
a trust replacement or a trust amplifier when layered responsibly
into regulated systems.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Yeah, it depends what you're looking at. So tokenization to
trust amplifier with this season management team and a real
world assets such as a building, a hotel and music catalog,
a company that has earnings and assets and revenues. It's
not a trust enhancer and a meme token that you
have no idea who's behind it, or the frog that
was launched that has some reason has a two billion
dollar market cap and all that money tied up into it.
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There's really no amplifier in that world. Besides hype. It's
a marketing machine. It's a pyramid scheme hoping someone's going
to pay higher than the person before them. So when
you look at the trust and Hanser and blockschain and tokenization,
it's always about RWA's and again the management right. I
think having seasoned management is so crucial, especially in today's world.
(26:38):
It's so volatile. People that have been through somebody market turnarounds,
economic downturns, political unrass wars I mentioned a lot of
these things. You have people that understand that we're going
to get through it. You know, you don't always have
to fire everybody to get through it. But if you're
smart about being smart in your projection, smart on your spend,
introduce new technology so you're not you're part of adapt
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or die. And again, having a digital currency strategy like
we have at Diamond Lake into your business model is
no different than somebody twenty years thirty years ago saying
you better take credit cards right or then you better
put PayPal or nd moment to your business model or stripe.
So it's just the evolution of financial transactions. And if
you don't think like that, then you're missing out on
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people that only use those mechanisms for transacting for products
or services or IP. And that's why it's really important
for older management now that I'm getting there too, you
got to listen to what's going on in younger markets.
You have to have your you got to be out
on the street. You got to see what's going on.
You got to feel it. And you have to know
how to bring it on. And if you yourself don't
know how to bring it on, you've got to be
starting enough to hire people to help you do that.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well said so Barry the Federal Reserve. And this is
I'm mindful of the time here. We're almost at the
end of our date, my friends. But the Federal Reserve
reports that real estate remains the largest component of household
network in the United States, and digital assets are newer,
more volatile, and still evolving in the regulatory clarity right, So,
as someone who was accurately forecasted housing cycles, not just
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once twice, but repeatedly, how should leaders think about digital
assets within broader macroeconomic cycles, I mean, particularly inflation, liquidity tightening,
and rate policy.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Real estate has performed so well now you talk about
digital assets and younger people using digital assets. The volatility
is something that's is always a concern, but it is
the growing acceptance of it, and it is the eventual
limitation of it because of the havings, because of the
fact that it is a finite asset.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Like real estate.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Real estate to some degree is finance. Over time, these
prices will continue to go up, up, up and if
you look at historically what it's done is it has
been very volatile, but through each having period you do
have periods of large acceleration, cut back, but then it
moves up again. And while we don't have hundreds of
(28:59):
years of time on this, you can see that there
is a pattern evolving. So for younger people it's really
critical that this is and not just younger people, for everyone.
I think it should be a percentage of your portfolio.
Percentage that you're comfortable with. Within your portfolio should have
these cryptocurrency digital assets that you can benefit from.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And at the end all what you're saying, this macro literacy,
that's what's going to reduce the emotional volatility that we're
talking about. And when these new asset classes intersect with
the traditional housing market, I really think that clarity is
really the stability completely agrees.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Then you nailed it. As it becomes more accepted and
adopted into the mainstream of what is going on in
the fabric of what we do, that in and of
itself has to reduce the wild volatile. It always some
aspective price, right, but the wild volatility calms down.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Certainly, you said it, You said it best and we
are at the end. Many thanks to Barry Habibe. You
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You're listening to a Moment of Zen right here on
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I'm your host, Zenzam's Welcome back to the Lifestyle Edit,
brought to.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
You by Milia Hotels International.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We're going to be chatting all inclusive reinvented from resort
containment to cultural immersion, why today's luxury travel is experiencing
all inclusive fatigue, and how Paradisis by Milia is redefining
the category through destination inclusive travel, culturally inspired wellness and
immersive design. Joining me right now is Esther Romero Garcia
(31:29):
gallan brand marketing manager for PATADISUS by Melia. Ester leads
global brand strategy and integrated marketing initiatives across international markets.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
With a background spanning of luxury hotels and cruise brands,
she specializes in culturally relevant storytelling, turning brand identity into
measurable global impact. Everything we cover here. Welcome to the show, superstar.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So I'm going to chat the all inclusive fatigue factor.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I definitely am feeling it, and I know a lot
of listeners and viewers are. So let's address the elephant
in the room, the modern luxury traveler is very sophisticated.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
We've done the beach, We've done the buffet, We've done
the wristband right, and according to reporting from Skift, experiential
travel is one of the fastest growing segments globally because
travelers want immersion, not insulation. So here's my question esther.
Many luxury travels feel traditional.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
All inclusive resorts can feel insulated if you will, from
the destination.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So what specifically needed to evolve in the category, and
what is Paradis is doing differently.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
Looks for the travelers are looking for an authenticity, personalization,
and cultural death, not only convenience. So what we needed
to do is to evolve and to create a concept
that they could resonate with them and could offer them
the needs that they are looking for. And for example,
at Paralysis we develop with this in inclusive quite a
(33:00):
few years ago, which is a program that integrates both
onside and offside experiences designed with the destination not just
located in the place, but we're truly integrated in the culture.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
What we operate ultimately looks to you.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Today's for us is not so much about how much
is included, but how meaningful what it's included feels to
the traveler.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
That's one hundred percent right esther.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's a very critical shift what you just said, because
all inclusive shouldn't mean all contained. And luxury today isn't
about removing friction, it's about adding that meaning that you're talking.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
About, Yeah, adding value.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yes, So let's talk about destination inclusive. That's the tagline
as the structural solution, because we now have a solution.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
So one of the most powerful evolutions you've introduced is
destination inclusive, which moves beyond the idea of a self
contained resort. And when you look at the research, the
one from Mackenzie and Company show over seventy percent of
affluent travelers prioritize authentic experiences over material upgrades. So if
(34:07):
that's true, immersion isn't an add on, it's the product.
So how does destination inclusive transform the guest journey from
a stay at a resort to a true connection with
the culture and heritage of a place.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
For us, destination inclusive is a program within your experience.
But what we like to say is that paralysis is
designed by the destination. This means that everything single thing
that you experiment since the moment you book to the
moment you leave the hotel is connected to the destination.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
From the greetings email.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
That you will receive before you arrive to the hotel
to the moment you arrive to the architecture of the places,
the design on their owns, the decor, the books we
have on the libraries, the entertainment, everything is connected to
the destination. We always have at least one restaurant that
is completely locally sourced.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
We work with local tests.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
These all of these on top of the destination inclusive offering.
The destination in inclusive program, as I said, it includes
activities inside and outside of the hotel.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
This might mean an.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Artisanal workshop inside the hotel, or a wine tasting of
local resource wines within the hotel, or maybe it will
mean an exclusive excursion to get to know a typical
place of the of the destination. For example, in our
paralysis La Perla, our guests can enjoy a beautiful visit
to a private senot, a really traditional one, and you
(35:44):
get to meet a traditional shaman and get to know
a little bit more about the traditions of the old
centuries and magians before enjoying the nature of the Senate.
What I mean about this is that authenticity is the
main goal for us, that the our clients get to
know truly the destination and get to know the true
(36:06):
essence of the place of the aricity.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
And yeah, our goal is to.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
Create experiences that guests wouldn't be able to create themselves
by their own.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
That's priceless.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So when we talk about collecting the destination across markets,
let's talk about that because Paradises operates across the Caribbean,
Spain and beyond, and that requires precision, because authentic cannot
feel scripted if you will, So, how do you maintain
brand consistency globally but still ensuring that each property really
(36:39):
feels deeply rooted in what we're talking about in its
local environment.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yeah, for us, it's actually very easy because we believe
that the way of maintaining brand consistency is to lead
with our values. Our values and our principles are the
same whatever we operate. We are an elevated, all inclusive
experience where the health personalized service is a mask. Wellness
is our core pillar, and our strong culinary excellence is
(37:05):
a key aspect of the experience for both adults, kids,
and families alike. So with this in mind, this is
our core values that we bring wherever.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
We work with.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
At the same time, we have to let the destinations
save how the experience comes to life, and this way
its property reflects the local culture through a program design
and locally source astronomy. For example, we just opened Paralysis Valley.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
It was our first.
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Property in Asia and we had a great challenge of
having to integrate the valuinis rituals, the spirituality of the
local place and the design elements into the guest journey.
But we managed to do it in collaboration with true
locals and true experts from the area. And right now
we have one of our most standing properties and it's
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completely integrated with the brand values.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And that's brand maturity right there.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Standards that travel but experiences that don't feel copy and
paste because you have to really be careful in that
you know scale model, but do it authentically to each property,
which I love. That is at the forefront of all
the architecture. It's incredibly difficult to execute well, but Melia
does a great job. Now let's talk about the paradiseus
(38:20):
can Kun. Paradiesus Can Coon one of the most iconic
properties in the region just underwent a comprehensive renovation, reportedly
exceeding fifty million dollars, reopening this April twenty twenty six
in one of the most competitive luxury markets in the world.
I mean that kind of capital commitment signals something. So esther,
(38:40):
what does that level of investment at PARADISEUS Cancun represent
strategically and how does the renovated property embody this shift
from resort containment to what we've been talking about cultural immersion.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Yeah, I think it's key to know that, as you said,
but isis concon is one of our most iconic properties,
and it's one of the most iconic hotels in the
Kancun area. And I don't know if you know this,
but it originally opened in nineteen eighty seven, so it's
been opened for quite a while. And this means that
it's been the source of many, many stories, many many guests,
(39:13):
and it's really lost not only by the guests but
by Melilta's International.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
For us, it's a lot of project.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
So it's not only a strategic statement about the future
of luxury, but it's a proof of our long term
commitment to the brand and to the concept of destination inclusive.
We are improving the product we already have, and this
transformation has included fully renovated suits and this means that
we have integrated better the culture of Mexico. For example,
(39:43):
the entire building which is the basis of the project,
it's created in the form of pyramids, like the ancient
Majian Ones five buildings, it's one with a different pyramids
and each pyramid represents one of the gods of the
ancient magaands. Oh wow, yeah, and you get the tour
(40:04):
by the local people that we have there. We call
them destination concerts. But going beyond what the product can
tell you, because the investment has been specifically for the
renovation of the building, but more so we have renovated
the concept. We have four new elevated culinary concepts we
have we bring on a whole new entertainment program and
(40:27):
a stronger in integration of destination inclusive. And on top
of that which already existed, we have brought on family concerts,
which is one of our most loved programs. So then
they now will have their own building where the kids
come run free. The partents can be rest easy knowing
that everyone within that building is in the same boat
(40:47):
as them, and it will offer even more experiences to
connect with the destination and the guests.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
They deserve evolution. That's how you solve all inclusive fatigue,
not with more volume, but with sharper vision. And I
think you guys are doing a fantastic job. Thank yo.
And with that said, we are out of time, My
dear friend, thank you so much for coming on. This
was such a transparent, fun, productive conversation. The average listener
and viewer right now is definitely going to head to
(41:16):
Melia dot com to check out all the amazing properties
and locations around the world.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me and thank
you for giving us an opportunity to explain.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
For a Lisu's vicin.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
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Melia dot Hotels dot International. You could check out all
the PARADISUS brands as well at PARADISUS Cancun, at Paraduce's
Bally and to learn more you could go to at
Paradis's Buy Melia or simply on their website Melia dot com.
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Welcome back, Beautiful New York, Tri State Area and beyond.
You're listening to a Moment of Zen right here on
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Speaker 4 (42:30):
New York iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
I'm your host, zen Zam's Welcome back to Sculpting the
Future series brought to you by Alikley and Tiger Esthetics,
redefining what's possible in modern body conjuring. GLP one medications
have surged nationwide, with prescription use increasing dramatically over the
last several years. At the same time, national plastic surgery
(42:51):
data shows rising demand for post weight loss conjuring procedures,
But women are quietly noticing something. They love being lean,
they love feeling lighter, but they don't love feeling deflated.
Breasts lose fullness, hips flatten, contour softens, and for ultra
lean or GLP WANT patients, there often isn't enough donor
fat available for traditional fat grafting. Yet culturally, social media
(43:15):
continues to glorify both ultra thin physiques and pronounced curves.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
That's the paradox, and that's the marketplace gap.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Today we're unpacking how body conjuring is evolving and how alloclay,
a structural adipose matrix developed by Tiger Esthetics designed to
provide volume where fat is limited, is expanding options for
women who previously had very few. Joining me today is
one of the country's most recognized experts in breast and
body conjuring.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Doctor Matthew Shulman is a board certified plastic surgeon right
here in New York City. He trained at Jefferson Medical
College and completed both general surgery and plastic surgery at
Mount Seini Hospital. He's dedicated his career to breast and
body conjuring and is widely regarded as a leader in
mommy makeovers, tummy cosmetic breast surgery, liposection, and Brazilian buttlets.
(44:04):
He's authored numerous.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Academic papers and textbook chapters, is a frequent national speaker,
has been named a Castle Connolly Top Plastic Surgeon every
year since twenty ten, and was one of the first
plastic surgeons to fully embrace social media, now reaching over
one million follows worldwide.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Doctor Shulman, welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
Thank you, it's great to be here.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
I'm going to dive right in. So for women who've
lost weight rather quickly, whether through GLP one medications or
intense fitness regimens, many are noticing changes they just didn't anticipate.
The rapid fat loss doesn't just reduce size. It alters volume,
distribution and tissue support, particularly in the breasts, hips and glutes,
and those are the main areas we focus on as women.
(44:46):
So from a structural standpoint, what physical changes are you
seeing in these ultralling patients.
Speaker 7 (44:53):
Well, weight loss is interesting because as people know, when
you gain weight, you don't know where it's going to go.
And when you lose weight, you don't know where it's
going to come from, and it doesn't always come from
the area you gained it. So what's happening with patients
that are losing a lot of weight is they're just
losing fat over parts of their body that they wouldn't
want to lose it. So we're seeing fat loss in
(45:15):
the butt, the hips, the breast, and they can't control it.
And oftentimes with these new medications, the weight loss is
so successful sometimes there's not even an off switch, so
they lose more weight than they want to lose, and
because it happens so quickly, then the skin gets a
little bit loose. So rapid weight loss causes obviously causes
(45:35):
loss of the fat cells and shrinking, but it also
causes skin laxy. And that's the biggest problem is because
those two things together make body contouring after weight loss
really difficult for a surgeon.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yeah, that's such an important clarification. Doctor should know what
you just said, because weight.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Loss success doesn't always equal contour satisfaction, and that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (45:56):
It would be very easy if you can just lose
weight and say I want to come from my thighs
or I want to come from my belly, but the
body doesn't listen that way and it doesn't always work out.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Agreed. And we're hearing more women say I love being lean,
but I don't love losing my curves. I mean, they
don't want to regain weight, they just want proportion restored.
So are you seeing this esthetic disconnect more frequently in
your consultations these days?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
I mean weight loss has always been a thing, and
we went through this phase in the early two thousands
when there was a lot of barriactric surgeries, so gastric bypass,
gastric sleeves, surgical induced weight loss. That kind of died
off a little bit. Now we're seeing it pick up
again because of all the medications. So people are coming
(46:43):
in and they just essentially feel like they've deflated, and
they're looking to me to try to give them their
curves back.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Enter Allockley described as an off the shelf structural adipose
matrix that provides volume in areas where that fat is
limited without harvesting fat from the patient's own body. I mean,
how much more proprietary and revolutionary can you get? So
for women who are too lean for fat grafting and
hesitant about implants.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
This introduces a new category of solution.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
How has alloclay changed your approach to contouring slim patients.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
Well, ali clay has really been revolutionary because it's the
perfect option. As you said, we want to add fat,
and lean patients or patients who have lost weight don't
have any fat, so the only place to get it
would be from essentially donors. So ali clay is human
donor fat and I'm able to inject it in the
(47:40):
areas that they need volume and you don't have to
harvest it through liposuction, which really wouldn't have been an
option anyway in a lean patient. So it basically allows
me to say, hey, what do you want bigger? What
do you want curvier? And now we have an off
the shelf option with really no downtime.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
So women considering this option want reassurance, right I did
before I had my breasts enhanced with doctor Zeidler and
I had aloclay done, and I know for myself, I
mean I want to know that restoration will look natural,
that it's going to move naturally too, and feel proportionate
on my body, especially after whether it's dramatic weight loss
(48:25):
or explanting. Right, Like in my case, I explanted fourteen
years of saline implants and then I was left with
pancakes and I was like, well, what are we doing here? Right?
So me aside, what kind of results are you seeing
in terms of contour and softness and overall patient satisfaction.
Speaker 7 (48:42):
So the great benefit of aloklay is it's fat. It's
human donor fat, and when it gets injected into you
and your body integrates it, it becomes your own fat.
So it's going to act just like fat, which is
a very natural soft result. Now, for a lot of people,
that's an advantage. They want to have breast enhancement or
buttock enhancement or hip enhancement that looks really natural. This
(49:05):
is a great option because it really is replacing exactly
what you're trying to replace. Now, for other patients who
want breast in plants and want that implant look, they
want to have rounder or or firm or very well
defined cleavage and you know, a little bit of a
faker look, which is still a proportion of the population
(49:27):
wants that. This isn't a very good option. You know
that may be someone where I may say, hey, you're
going to do a little bit better with implants. But
for the people that either want to avoid implants or
remove implants and still want a very natural look that's
not going to look surgical, alaclay is a really good
option for them.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yeah, And that's the difference between enhancement and harmony. Really,
I mean, you know it.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Responsible esthetic medicine requires clarity, and I love that in
this category they're very clear about, you know, their intent
the use cases of this problem. So not every woman
is the right candidate for every solution, and understanding anatomy
and expectations and long term goals really matter. So for
women listening right now who are navigating the GLP one
(50:11):
era and considering this option, who is the ideal candidate
and where do you still recommend traditional approaches instead?
Speaker 7 (50:19):
Well, for weight loss patients, as I said at the beginning,
they're very tricky because you're dealing with loss of volume,
but you're also dealing with skin laxity. So whenever I'm
evaluating a patient after weight loss, I have to separate
those two things and say, hey, where do you need
more volume and where do you need skin a little
bit tighter. So for weight loss patient who wants their
(50:39):
breasts enhands. Yes, they need volume, but it's possible that
they also need some skin removed, So ala clay or
any other way to add volume is often combined with
something like a breast lift. So I have to separate
those two things in my head. So if someone's deflated
and then they're a little droopy, the deflation would be
(51:00):
treated with volume like alaclay, and the drooping would be
treated with a lift in order to get things up
and tighter. So those are often done together.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
It sounds great in combo therapy, and I love that
it is so effectively used for combo therapies pre and
post you know, surgical procedures. But we are at the
end of our date, my dear friend, I thank you
so much for coming on and being our expert on
the microphone. I learned a lot today. I thank you
for sharing your knowledge with our audience. And I'm really
excited about this revolutionary product because it's giving women a
(51:32):
real solution to a huge market gap and a big
problem in the marketplace for women who just you know,
don't want the foreign objects in their body, don't have
enough fat to give, have been told. Sorry, I can't
help you and enter this incredible product with an incredible
provider like yourself, doctor Shulman. The sky's the limit. So
thank you again for coming on.
Speaker 7 (51:51):
Oh you're very welcome. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
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their website at doctor Shulman Plastic Surgery dot com. You
can check them out on Instagram at real dr Shulman.
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the Lifestyle Edit brought to you by Milia Hotels International,
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cultural immersion. The conversation looks at the growing phenomenon of
all inclusive travel fatigue and how modern luxury travelers are
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seeking deeper cultural connection, wellness, and meaning from the destinations
they visit.
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Joined by Esther Romero Garcia gallan brand marketing manager for
Paradisus by Milia. In the Sculpting the Future series brought
to you by Aloclay from Tiger Esthetics. Now that GLP
one weight loss medications have reshaped the esthetic landscape, many
women are discovering that becoming lean doesn't always mean maintaining
those curves. So we're going to explore how modern body
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conjuring is evolving to meet this new reality. We're going
to be having a conversation with doctor Matthew Shulman.
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You're listening to a moment of zen right here on
seven ten War, the voice of New York iHeartRadio. I'm
your host, Zenzam's Welcome back to the Hydration with Heart
segment brought to you by Once Upon a Coconut. My
next guest is Shelley Rodgers, known to millions as a
good Witch on social media. She's a cancer survivor, cannabis advocate,
(03:44):
and a former occupational therapist who spent nearly thirty years
quietly blending tarret readings into her clinical practice. After a
cancer diagnosis cut her career short, Shelley endured years of
chronic intractable pain. The pharmaceuticals meant to help her eventually
left her feeling disconnected from herself, and that breaking point
(04:05):
became a turning point. Shelley turned to cannabis and art
as medicine, not as an escape, but as a way
back into her body, a choice she says, ultimately saved her.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Life and transformed her pain into purpose.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Today, she helps people heal, awaken, and rediscover themselves through
private tower readings and her social platforms where she shares
spiritual guidance, mindset tools, and everyday magic with a community
of more than six million people. This is a conversation
about survival, self trust, and what happens when science, intuition,
and lived experience meet.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Shelley. Welcome to the Hydration with Heart Segment Superstars. So
excited to have you on.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
So I'd like to.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Talk about defining the trauma and more survival mode. So
a lot of people think trauma is one big event, right,
but for many it's years of living in hypervigilance, your
nervous system.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Stuck on high alert.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So, without sharing anything you don't want to, can you
name what that difficult chapter looked like for you in
real life, like day to day, and how you knew
you were living in survival.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Mode in trigenal noraltia. First, I got chronic intractable pain
in my face just from going, going, going, going, you know,
the muscles are cramped down on the nerves, and so
I had to stop my practice. I couldn't return and
I had to deal with the pain for five years.
(05:34):
It didn't go away through the treatment and everything, and
I was taking all of the medications, the neurontan, the
OxyContin The effects are just like the doctors told me to.
And I went to the doctrine. I said, I spend
the whole day in bed. I want to be with
(05:55):
my children. And you patted me on the head and
said take your medicine, girl. But I walked home googled
how to get off of oxycontum and it said gradually
and weed helps.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So I found that when I was at home in bed,
I was stuck in the pain in my body. When
I smoked a little bit, I could get up and
do things. And I found that the pain in my
face went away when I sculptured figure it of sculpture.
(06:34):
And when I pay attention to a sculpture and a
model and not paying attention to my body, and my
pain gradually subsided.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I work out three times a week, that's my physical meditation.
And I sculpted for three hours a week. And I
do that so that I have that body regeneration time
and that nervous system time that I go from an
excited through relaxed right very easily.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Now. I love this narrative.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And you know, cannabis helped you in ways that big
pharma couldn't and also helped you become more in touch
with yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
In twenty twenty two, it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Was about fifteen and a half percent of US adults
reported current cannabis use in CDC analysis, and many people
use it for symptom relief, pain, stress, sleep, especially when
other options haven't helped. In a JAMA Network Open Primary
Care study, many users reported symptom management reasons. So kind
(07:45):
of what you just alluded to. So you're very open
about your cannabis use. What does therapeutic intentional use look
like on a daily level for you? What outside of
your anxiety and your transgeminal neuralgia, what boundaries make it
feel supportive rather than numbing.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
My cannabis use is not to get rid of the pain.
It's more that it helps me accept the pain and
that it allows me to be functional. I constantly have
pain in my knees. I've had them both replaced, and
then I went back and broke another one, and I'm
(08:25):
you know, I got metal up and down in me.
But when I have a puff puff and I go
become active, I don't care anymore about the pain. I'll
be active and enjoy myself. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But if that's a demystification right there, right, it's not
party culture, it's not escape, it's intent, it's dosage awareness,
environment and accountability and everything that you're describing, I can
echo and back.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
The National Academy's review found conclusive substantial evidence for cannabinoids
in chemotherapy related nausea, vomiting, chronic pain, and even MS
related spasticity, and the American Cancer Society also summarizes benefits
for cancer related symptoms like nausea and appetite loss and
pain and sleep issues and anxiety, while emphasizing risks and
(09:20):
the need for clinical guidance are obviously something that people
have to goes hand in hand. But for the most part,
cannabis use is getting a great, great report card here. So, Shelley,
when someone is considering cannabis, what do you want them
to understand about responsibility and knowing whether it is or
it's not the right tool for them.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I am not a gandier. There are people out there
that know the product insight and out, and they're available,
and they're young, and they're indispensaries, and go talk to
them because it's an option that you would have if
a doctor offered you an option, you would consider it.
(10:06):
And doctors will offer this as an option, consider it.
I'm not you know what is advocacy? I do it
makes me feel great. If you want to be like me,
do it too.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
But I.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Love my life. If everybody had a life like mine,
we would not have the difficulties that we have. If
we were all here with a family and friendship and
meaningful work and faith, we would all be able to
(10:46):
live a life of peace and fulfillment. And if if
a little bit of medicinal use allows us to relax
in joy, then we can learn and grow. I'm all
for it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Now, when you talk about which the witch identity, let's
talk about this explained through science, because we're talking about
rituals and meaning and regulation.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
So which the witch piece?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Because the modern word treats it like aesthetics, but there's
real psychology underneath it. Research shows that rituals can reduce
anxiety and send and really help people feel a sense
of control, even when the ritual is quite simple. So
when you call yourself a good witch, what does that
mean in practical terms? What are the rituals or practices
(11:38):
you use to bring people back to calmon clarity.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
To bring other people back to common calarity. There is
a concept in therapy called the therapeutic use of self.
And if you want to teach somebody how to self regulate,
you have to demonstrate self regular If you want them
to open up in conversation, the therapist sits open, you know,
(12:07):
and working with patients, I would model the behavior that
I wanted them to learn. I learned biofeedback relaxation training
at age thirty. I was doing it with patients. We
are wired to scan the horizon for danger. If we're relaxed,
(12:29):
we scan the horizon for safety. If we're tense, we
scan the horizon for danger. And whatever look we look
for we get. So by staying relaxed to get my
patients relaxed, I learn how my body is that reactive,
which is really a woman in total control of herself.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Well, we definitely had our moment of then right here
on our show. So thank you so much for joining me, Shelley.
You again, your transparency, your honesty, and your authenticity really
fueled this conversation.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
You know, if you see anything in me, no that
it's in you. We're scanning the environment for our good
and if you think I'm good, You're already there.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You definitely want to check out Shelley at a good
Witch official on Instagram and if you're someone navigating stress,
grief healing, or a life pivot, her work is a
reminder that calm is learnable and self trust is in
fact a practice. Directly to a good witchofficial dot com
and check her out on the ground at a good
(13:41):
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You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
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I'm your host, Zenzam's Welcome back to the Heart of
Influence segment brought to you by Diamondlake and its subsidiaries,
where leadership meets infrastructure. Today, we're not speculating, we're examining
(14:33):
structural change. Fanny May and Freddie Mack back approximately seven
trillion in US residential mortgage obligations, and that's according to
the Federal Housing Finance Agency data. Together they support roughly
fifty percent of all US mortgages, and in twenty twenty five,
the FHFA directed both institutions to prepare to consider cryptocurrency
(14:54):
as an asset in mortgage risk assessments. That's not fringe adoption,
that's instance titutional integration. Meanwhile, the US digital asset market
has fluctuated between one and three trillion in total.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Market cap over the past several years. And according to
Pure Research, you got twenty percent of US adults reporting
having invested, in, traded, or used cryptocurrency, and among adults
under thirty, this is where it gets interesting. Adoption rates
are materially higher. Now.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Housing remains the largest source of household wealth in America
and it represents roughly forty eight trillion in residential real
estate value according to the Federal Reserve Data. Right now,
when housing and crypto intersect, we're not talking about trend cycles,
We're talking about ownership models. Now joining me is Barry Habebe,
founder and CEO of MBS Highway.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Multi time Crystal Ball Award winner for the most accurate
housing market forecasts and newly appointed member of the board
of directors of Fanu May and my returning co contributor,
Brian jays Posito, founder of Esposito Intellectual Enterprises and architects
of Diamond Laked's multi industry ecosystem advancing aligned capital models
(16:05):
and tokenization frameworks across global markets. Welcome to the show, gentlemen.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
It's great to be here, Sar, thanks for having.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Us so excited. Barry, welcome to the show. I'm going
to start with you. So let's chat from.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
The institutional framing perspective. Right. The FHFA directive asking Fanny
May and Freddie mac to prepare to recognize cryptocryptocurrency as
an asset marks a potential policy evolution inside institutions that
really collectively influence trillions in mortgage liquidity. Right, and historically
underwriting frameworks have required liquidation of volatile assets before qualification.
(16:42):
So from your vantage point, is this shift about modernizing
asset recognition or is it about preventing the housing finance
system from becoming disconnected from how wealth is actually accumulated today.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Well, it's such a good question, and you know, we
don't know exactly what the basis of why this is
you know, being considered now, but we can only assume
that as digital currency becomes more and more and more
in vogue and people begin to use it more, it's
just you know, just a matter of time with the
passage of the Genius Act to know that, you know,
(17:18):
stable coin is one area where you're going to start
to see that back by treasuries and seeing seeing more
acceptance of this eventually, could it fall into the housing market.
Of course that's just the natural progression. But as we
all know, certain digital currencies are highly valuable, so it
makes it difficult to value them. You know, just like
(17:40):
if you had an account with your stockbroker and you said,
I want to margin against it. Well, there's certain stocks
that are not marginable because of the level of volatility
that are there. Digital assets and cryptocurrencies, I think as
potentially over time they become less have a less extraordinary
(18:02):
volatility likeness to them, I think that might be more
acceptable to try and evaluate how you can utilize this
as as a way to use for down payment without
having to liquidate it, or towards your assets without having
to liquidate it. I think that's a logical thought process
(18:23):
going forward. But in addition to that, could you use
digital assets potentially with transactions of real estate? And while
some of that's happening already, I think over time those
digital assets to be used to purchase real estate are
going to be submit. You will see more and more
of That's.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
A lot of food for thought. And it's interesting because
if nearly one in five American adults has engaged with crypto,
and younger demographics hold even greater exposure, then ignoring digital
assets isn't prudence right, it's distortion. And when institutions backing
half the US mortgage market begin adaptation, that really signals
that structural acknowledgment. They're not just experimenting right now. Brian
(19:07):
BlackRock's approval of spot bitcoinytfs back in twenty twenty four
marked one of the clearest institutional signals get that digital assets.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It really signaled that digital assets are entering the what
we call regulated frameworks, right, and tokenization at its core
is about representing real world assets digitally for efficiency, liquidity,
and transparency.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's what we've been talking about on this series for months.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So when housing finance institutions begin recognizing crypto assets, does
that accelerate the legitimacy of tokenized real world assets? And
are we witnessing that early formation of hybrid financial infrastructure
right now?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
What do you think?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
I think there's a lot going on. So I always
go back to the glob Boys network of banking, right,
Jamie Diamonds and the Chases of the world. There was
a tremendous amount of sitting of cash on those balance
seats back in the day, to banks like Signature Banks,
silver Gate Bank, Silicon Valley Bank. So how do you
get the money back into those banks?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Right?
Speaker 9 (20:10):
That's caught up in the one to three trillion that
you mentioned in cryptocurrencies. So when it comes to things
like okay, there's assets sitting in people's lives that are
now a digital asset. Our world is regulated digital asset.
So r WA's and Larry Fake himself said last year
it's a sixteen trillion dollar industry by twenty thirty. So
when you have FIA currencies and other assets and stocks
and equities or commodities that are now leaving those worlds
(20:33):
into tokenization, any asset class such as a home is
going to have to be able to recognize it as
some sort of asset for the potential homeowner to be
able to utilize the leverage to buy that asset. The
other thing that comes across my mind is, well, this
is a great way to get FIA currency back into
banks if mortgage payments are now to be accepted by
a bitcoin for example, because I don't assume that the
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mortgage company, the bank that's accepting that bitcoin is going
to hold bitcoin. They're not converted back into a currency
for their for their balance sheet unless they have a
hedge on it, or they have some sort of a
risk tolerance level that they want to hold and they
think there's some upside. But in my mind, it's a
smart way to get cash back into these systems that
is now outside of these systems, And it's just I
think it's a brilliant move for the housing industry to say, hey, listen,
(21:17):
there's people that have all tremendous amount of assets and
digital assets. Recognize the ones that are now institutionalized like
bitcoin ethereum. Our world is not that we're not speculators
in that we like real assets. We tokenize these assets,
and we like things that perform, appreciate and have some
sort of revenue generator attached to them.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, you make so much sense. I love I love
listening to you speak in this.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
I love listening too, like usually just talking to myself
all the time. So oh no, I think I an audience.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Now, Barry.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Housing affordability remains under strain, right, I mean, according to
the National Association of Realtors, the housing affordability index fell
to multi decade lows during the recent rate cycle, and
mortgage rates climbed over seven seven and a half percent
in twenty two through twenty four, materially impacting those.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
First time buyers. We heard the headliners, and at the
same time, the younger investors disproportionately hold digital assets compared
to older cohorts. I said that earlier on the statistic
is there so does crypto asset recognition meaningfully expand access
to housing or is this primarily a reflection of updated
balance sheet reality rather than access reform.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
I mean, well, you bring up some really really good points,
so let's let's unpack that. So, first of all, when
it comes to individuals that are struggling with affordability, that's
where you started off. But that's something that's real. However,
when you look at what the mean too aspects of
affordability are. Yes, price is one of them, but the
(22:46):
mean too that will resolve affordability more rapidly. Well, one
is interest rates. If interest rates come down, and we've
seen some of that.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Now.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
We've had a little turbulence here because all prices have
shot up because of the raning conflict that we're in,
and as a result interest rates that we're resuming a
really good downtrend, and that was spiking activity. We've seen
that kind of take a little bit of a pause here.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
The other is.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Incomes, and over time, as incomes rise, if inflation stays
at modest levels and you have incomes above the rate
of inflation, affordability improves. I think of it is ends
that does take some time. We had a long period
of time where you had inflation well above what people
were earning increases, so you had nine percent inflation rise,
three percent income increases. That puts your affordability for everything
(23:33):
at a negative right, so it makes everything more expensive.
And of course home price is rising and interest rates
rising that exacerbated the issue.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
We're now in a.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Situation where while affordability is still stretched and pressured, it
is slowly unwinding as interest rates someone and the results
you're seeing penny home sales rise rather dramatically. You also
see a lot of cash freed up as interest rates
come down and people can refinance. Now, with your question
about digital assets and how that plays a role and
(24:02):
younger generation having that, I don't think it's as much
a recognition of it as if Look, if bitcoin gets
back up, I'm not saying it has to go to
one twenty six or beyond, and it might certainly do that,
but bitcoin has come down by about half ethereum almost
as much. And when you see people in that position,
oftentimes they're reluctant to let go of those assets, especially
(24:25):
if they purchased on the way up and they're upside down.
So if they're thinking about a home purchase, they might
have the assets to do so. But if I liquidate
it now. I'm pretty upside down right now. Maybe I
will wait till I see prices come back. And it
would not surprise me to see a lot of these
younger individuals holding these types of assets that as we
see price appreciation there, they feel more comfortable liquidating some
(24:48):
of their holdings and then entering into the real estate market.
That's what I think will happen.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
Oh, I just want to jump really quick. It's so accurate.
And there's also a different level of emotional connection to
a crypto currency holder than a traditional other type of
asset holder. There's a little bit more of a deeper
connection where they don't want to give it up. As
Barry said, there's a community there, there's this cult mentality
there that they're part of something, They're part of a movement,
they're part of some new change in the way that
(25:13):
we operate as human beings. So there's a lot deeper
mindset and psychology to itself. As those brilliantly said, Barry, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well without a doubt, Now, Brian, trust in institutions has
been volatile, to say the least, and when you look
at the trust barometer. I bring this up all the time.
The Edelman Trust Barometer consistently shows that confidence in financial
and governmental institutions fluctuate significantly year over year.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Now, blockchain based systems are often described as trustless, meaning
they rely on verification rather than reputation. So is tokenization
a trust replacement or a trust amplifier when layered responsibly
into regulated systems.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Yeah, it depends what you're looking at. So tokenization to
trust amplifier with this season management team and a real
world assets such as a building, a hotel and music catalog,
a company that has earnings and assets and revenues. It's
not a trust enhancer and a meme token that you
have no idea who's behind it, or the frog that
was launched that has some reason has a two billion
dollar market cap and all that money tied up into it.
(26:17):
There's really no amplifier in that world. Besides hype. It's
a marketing machine. It's a pyramid scheme hoping someone's going
to pay higher than the person before them. So when
you look at the trust and Hanser and blockschain and tokenization,
it's always about RWA's and again the management right. I
think having seasoned management is so crucial, especially in today's world.
(26:38):
It's so volatile. People that have been through somebody market turnarounds,
economic downturns, political unrass wars I mentioned a lot of
these things. You have people that understand that we're going
to get through it. You know, you don't always have
to fire everybody to get through it. But if you're
smart about being smart in your projection, smart on your spend,
introduce new technology so you're not you're part of adapt
(27:01):
or die. And again, having a digital currency strategy like
we have at Diamond Lake into your business model is
no different than somebody twenty years thirty years ago saying
you better take credit cards right or then you better
put PayPal or nd moment to your business model or stripe.
So it's just the evolution of financial transactions. And if
you don't think like that, then you're missing out on
(27:22):
people that only use those mechanisms for transacting for products
or services or IP. And that's why it's really important
for older management now that I'm getting there too, you
got to listen to what's going on in younger markets.
You have to have your you got to be out
on the street. You got to see what's going on.
You got to feel it. And you have to know
how to bring it on. And if you yourself don't
know how to bring it on, you've got to be
starting enough to hire people to help you do that.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well said so Barry the Federal Reserve. And this is
I'm mindful of the time here. We're almost at the
end of our date, my friends. But the Federal Reserve
reports that real estate remains the largest component of household
network in the United States, and digital assets are newer,
more volatile, and still evolving in the regulatory clarity right, So,
as someone who was accurately forecasted housing cycles, not just
(28:08):
once twice, but repeatedly, how should leaders think about digital
assets within broader macroeconomic cycles, I mean, particularly inflation, liquidity tightening,
and rate policy.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Real estate has performed so well now you talk about
digital assets and younger people using digital assets. The volatility
is something that's is always a concern, but it is
the growing acceptance of it, and it is the eventual
limitation of it because of the havings, because of the
fact that it is a finite asset.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Like real estate.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Real estate to some degree is finance. Over time, these
prices will continue to go up, up, up and if
you look at historically what it's done is it has
been very volatile, but through each having period you do
have periods of large acceleration, cut back, but then it
moves up again. And while we don't have hundreds of
(28:59):
years of time on this, you can see that there
is a pattern evolving. So for younger people it's really
critical that this is and not just younger people, for everyone.
I think it should be a percentage of your portfolio.
Percentage that you're comfortable with. Within your portfolio should have
these cryptocurrency digital assets that you can benefit from.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And at the end all what you're saying, this macro literacy,
that's what's going to reduce the emotional volatility that we're
talking about. And when these new asset classes intersect with
the traditional housing market, I really think that clarity is
really the stability completely agrees.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Then you nailed it. As it becomes more accepted and
adopted into the mainstream of what is going on in
the fabric of what we do, that in and of
itself has to reduce the wild volatile. It always some
aspective price, right, but the wild volatility calms down.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Certainly, you said it, You said it best and we
are at the end. Many thanks to Barry Habibe. You
could follow him directly on the gramm at I Am
Barry Habeeb and learn more at Highwaight dot ai and
of course our co contributor Brian Jasposito of Diamondlake and
Esposito Intellectual Enterprises, you could go directly to at diamond
Lake on Instagram and at Diamondlake dot com and at
(30:14):
Brian Underscore j Underscore Esposito.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
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(33:00):
few years ago, which is a program that integrates both
onside and offside experiences designed with the destination not just
located in the place, but we're truly integrated in the culture.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
What we operate ultimately looks to you.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Today's for us is not so much about how much
is included, but how meaningful what it's included feels to
the traveler.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
That's one hundred percent right esther.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's a very critical shift what you just said, because
all inclusive shouldn't mean all contained. And luxury today isn't
about removing friction, it's about adding that meaning that you're talking.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
About, Yeah, adding value.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yes, So let's talk about destination inclusive. That's the tagline
as the structural solution, because we now have a solution.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
So one of the most powerful evolutions you've introduced is
destination inclusive, which moves beyond the idea of a self
contained resort. And when you look at the research, the
one from Mackenzie and Company show over seventy percent of
affluent travelers prioritize authentic experiences over material upgrades. So if
(34:07):
that's true, immersion isn't an add on, it's the product.
So how does destination inclusive transform the guest journey from
a stay at a resort to a true connection with
the culture and heritage of a place.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
For us, destination inclusive is a program within your experience.
But what we like to say is that paralysis is
designed by the destination. This means that everything single thing
that you experiment since the moment you book to the
moment you leave the hotel is connected to the destination.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
From the greetings email.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
That you will receive before you arrive to the hotel
to the moment you arrive to the architecture of the places,
the design on their owns, the decor, the books we
have on the libraries, the entertainment, everything is connected to
the destination. We always have at least one restaurant that
is completely locally sourced.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
We work with local tests.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
These all of these on top of the destination inclusive offering.
The destination in inclusive program, as I said, it includes
activities inside and outside of the hotel.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
This might mean an.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Artisanal workshop inside the hotel, or a wine tasting of
local resource wines within the hotel, or maybe it will
mean an exclusive excursion to get to know a typical
place of the of the destination. For example, in our
paralysis La Perla, our guests can enjoy a beautiful visit
to a private senot, a really traditional one, and you
(35:44):
get to meet a traditional shaman and get to know
a little bit more about the traditions of the old
centuries and magians before enjoying the nature of the Senate.
What I mean about this is that authenticity is the
main goal for us, that the our clients get to
know truly the destination and get to know the true
(36:06):
essence of the place of the aricity.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
And yeah, our goal is to.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
Create experiences that guests wouldn't be able to create themselves
by their own.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
That's priceless.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
So when we talk about collecting the destination across markets,
let's talk about that because Paradises operates across the Caribbean,
Spain and beyond, and that requires precision, because authentic cannot
feel scripted if you will, So, how do you maintain
brand consistency globally but still ensuring that each property really
(36:39):
feels deeply rooted in what we're talking about in its
local environment.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yeah, for us, it's actually very easy because we believe
that the way of maintaining brand consistency is to lead
with our values. Our values and our principles are the
same whatever we operate. We are an elevated, all inclusive
experience where the health personalized service is a mask. Wellness
is our core pillar, and our strong culinary excellence is
(37:05):
a key aspect of the experience for both adults, kids,
and families alike. So with this in mind, this is
our core values that we bring wherever.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
We work with.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
At the same time, we have to let the destinations
save how the experience comes to life, and this way
its property reflects the local culture through a program design
and locally source astronomy. For example, we just opened Paralysis Valley.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
It was our first.
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Property in Asia and we had a great challenge of
having to integrate the valuinis rituals, the spirituality of the
local place and the design elements into the guest journey.
But we managed to do it in collaboration with true
locals and true experts from the area. And right now
we have one of our most standing properties and it's
(37:52):
completely integrated with the brand values.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
And that's brand maturity right there.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Standards that travel but experiences that don't feel copy and
paste because you have to really be careful in that
you know scale model, but do it authentically to each property,
which I love. That is at the forefront of all
the architecture. It's incredibly difficult to execute well, but Melia
does a great job. Now let's talk about the paradiseus
(38:20):
can Kun. Paradiesus Can Coon one of the most iconic
properties in the region just underwent a comprehensive renovation, reportedly
exceeding fifty million dollars, reopening this April twenty twenty six
in one of the most competitive luxury markets in the world.
I mean that kind of capital commitment signals something. So esther,
(38:40):
what does that level of investment at PARADISEUS Cancun represent
strategically and how does the renovated property embody this shift
from resort containment to what we've been talking about cultural immersion.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Yeah, I think it's key to know that, as you said,
but isis concon is one of our most iconic properties,
and it's one of the most iconic hotels in the
Kancun area. And I don't know if you know this,
but it originally opened in nineteen eighty seven, so it's
been opened for quite a while. And this means that
it's been the source of many, many stories, many many guests,
(39:13):
and it's really lost not only by the guests but
by Melilta's International.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
For us, it's a lot of project.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
So it's not only a strategic statement about the future
of luxury, but it's a proof of our long term
commitment to the brand and to the concept of destination inclusive.
We are improving the product we already have, and this
transformation has included fully renovated suits and this means that
we have integrated better the culture of Mexico. For example,
(39:43):
the entire building which is the basis of the project,
it's created in the form of pyramids, like the ancient
Majian Ones five buildings, it's one with a different pyramids
and each pyramid represents one of the gods of the
ancient magaands. Oh wow, yeah, and you get the tour
(40:04):
by the local people that we have there. We call
them destination concerts. But going beyond what the product can
tell you, because the investment has been specifically for the
renovation of the building, but more so we have renovated
the concept. We have four new elevated culinary concepts we
have we bring on a whole new entertainment program and
(40:27):
a stronger in integration of destination inclusive. And on top
of that which already existed, we have brought on family concerts,
which is one of our most loved programs. So then
they now will have their own building where the kids
come run free. The partents can be rest easy knowing
that everyone within that building is in the same boat
(40:47):
as them, and it will offer even more experiences to
connect with the destination and the guests.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
They deserve evolution. That's how you solve all inclusive fatigue,
not with more volume, but with sharper vision. And I
think you guys are doing a fantastic job. Thank yo.
And with that said, we are out of time, My
dear friend, thank you so much for coming on. This
was such a transparent, fun, productive conversation. The average listener
and viewer right now is definitely going to head to
(41:16):
Melia dot com to check out all the amazing properties
and locations around the world.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me and thank
you for giving us an opportunity to explain.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
For a Lisu's vicin.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
You could check out Melia directly on the gram at
Melia dot Hotels dot International. You could check out all
the PARADISUS brands as well at PARADISUS Cancun, at Paraduce's
Bally and to learn more you could go to at
Paradis's Buy Melia or simply on their website Melia dot com.
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Speaker 3 (42:22):
Welcome back, Beautiful New York, Tri State Area and beyond.
You're listening to a Moment of Zen right here on
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Speaker 3 (42:31):
I'm your host, zen Zam's Welcome back to Sculpting the
Future series brought to you by Alikley and Tiger Esthetics,
redefining what's possible in modern body conjuring. GLP one medications
have surged nationwide, with prescription use increasing dramatically over the
last several years. At the same time, national plastic surgery
(42:51):
data shows rising demand for post weight loss conjuring procedures,
But women are quietly noticing something. They love being lean,
they love feeling lighter, but they don't love feeling deflated.
Breasts lose fullness, hips flatten, contour softens, and for ultra
lean or GLP WANT patients, there often isn't enough donor
fat available for traditional fat grafting. Yet culturally, social media
(43:15):
continues to glorify both ultra thin physiques and pronounced curves.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
That's the paradox, and that's the marketplace gap.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Today we're unpacking how body conjuring is evolving and how alloclay,
a structural adipose matrix developed by Tiger Esthetics designed to
provide volume where fat is limited, is expanding options for
women who previously had very few. Joining me today is
one of the country's most recognized experts in breast and
body conjuring.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Doctor Matthew Shulman is a board certified plastic surgeon right
here in New York City. He trained at Jefferson Medical
College and completed both general surgery and plastic surgery at
Mount Seini Hospital. He's dedicated his career to breast and
body conjuring and is widely regarded as a leader in
mommy makeovers, tummy cosmetic breast surgery, liposection, and Brazilian buttlets.
(44:04):
He's authored numerous.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Academic papers and textbook chapters, is a frequent national speaker,
has been named a Castle Connolly Top Plastic Surgeon every
year since twenty ten, and was one of the first
plastic surgeons to fully embrace social media, now reaching over
one million follows worldwide.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Doctor Shulman, welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
Thank you, it's great to be here.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
I'm going to dive right in. So for women who've
lost weight rather quickly, whether through GLP one medications or
intense fitness regimens, many are noticing changes they just didn't anticipate.
The rapid fat loss doesn't just reduce size. It alters volume,
distribution and tissue support, particularly in the breasts, hips and glutes,
and those are the main areas we focus on as women.
(44:46):
So from a structural standpoint, what physical changes are you
seeing in these ultralling patients.
Speaker 7 (44:53):
Well, weight loss is interesting because as people know, when
you gain weight, you don't know where it's going to go.
And when you lose weight, you don't know where it's
going to come from, and it doesn't always come from
the area you gained it. So what's happening with patients
that are losing a lot of weight is they're just
losing fat over parts of their body that they wouldn't
want to lose it. So we're seeing fat loss in
(45:15):
the butt, the hips, the breast, and they can't control it.
And oftentimes with these new medications, the weight loss is
so successful sometimes there's not even an off switch, so
they lose more weight than they want to lose, and
because it happens so quickly, then the skin gets a
little bit loose. So rapid weight loss causes obviously causes
(45:35):
loss of the fat cells and shrinking, but it also
causes skin laxy. And that's the biggest problem is because
those two things together make body contouring after weight loss
really difficult for a surgeon.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yeah, that's such an important clarification. Doctor should know what
you just said, because weight.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Loss success doesn't always equal contour satisfaction, and that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (45:56):
It would be very easy if you can just lose
weight and say I want to come from my thighs
or I want to come from my belly, but the
body doesn't listen that way and it doesn't always work out.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Agreed. And we're hearing more women say I love being lean,
but I don't love losing my curves. I mean, they
don't want to regain weight, they just want proportion restored.
So are you seeing this esthetic disconnect more frequently in
your consultations these days?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
I mean weight loss has always been a thing, and
we went through this phase in the early two thousands
when there was a lot of barriactric surgeries, so gastric bypass,
gastric sleeves, surgical induced weight loss. That kind of died
off a little bit. Now we're seeing it pick up
again because of all the medications. So people are coming
(46:43):
in and they just essentially feel like they've deflated, and
they're looking to me to try to give them their
curves back.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Enter Allockley described as an off the shelf structural adipose
matrix that provides volume in areas where that fat is
limited without harvesting fat from the patient's own body. I mean,
how much more proprietary and revolutionary can you get? So
for women who are too lean for fat grafting and
hesitant about implants.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
This introduces a new category of solution.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
How has alloclay changed your approach to contouring slim patients.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
Well, ali clay has really been revolutionary because it's the
perfect option. As you said, we want to add fat,
and lean patients or patients who have lost weight don't
have any fat, so the only place to get it
would be from essentially donors. So ali clay is human
donor fat and I'm able to inject it in the
(47:40):
areas that they need volume and you don't have to
harvest it through liposuction, which really wouldn't have been an
option anyway in a lean patient. So it basically allows
me to say, hey, what do you want bigger? What
do you want curvier? And now we have an off
the shelf option with really no downtime.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
So women considering this option want reassurance, right I did
before I had my breasts enhanced with doctor Zeidler and
I had aloclay done, and I know for myself, I
mean I want to know that restoration will look natural,
that it's going to move naturally too, and feel proportionate
on my body, especially after whether it's dramatic weight loss
(48:25):
or explanting. Right, Like in my case, I explanted fourteen
years of saline implants and then I was left with
pancakes and I was like, well, what are we doing here? Right?
So me aside, what kind of results are you seeing
in terms of contour and softness and overall patient satisfaction.
Speaker 7 (48:42):
So the great benefit of aloklay is it's fat. It's
human donor fat, and when it gets injected into you
and your body integrates it, it becomes your own fat.
So it's going to act just like fat, which is
a very natural soft result. Now, for a lot of people,
that's an advantage. They want to have breast enhancement or
buttock enhancement or hip enhancement that looks really natural. This
(49:05):
is a great option because it really is replacing exactly
what you're trying to replace. Now, for other patients who
want breast in plants and want that implant look, they
want to have rounder or or firm or very well
defined cleavage and you know, a little bit of a
faker look, which is still a proportion of the population
(49:27):
wants that. This isn't a very good option. You know
that may be someone where I may say, hey, you're
going to do a little bit better with implants. But
for the people that either want to avoid implants or
remove implants and still want a very natural look that's
not going to look surgical, alaclay is a really good
option for them.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yeah, And that's the difference between enhancement and harmony. Really,
I mean, you know it.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Responsible esthetic medicine requires clarity, and I love that in
this category they're very clear about, you know, their intent
the use cases of this problem. So not every woman
is the right candidate for every solution, and understanding anatomy
and expectations and long term goals really matter. So for
women listening right now who are navigating the GLP one
(50:11):
era and considering this option, who is the ideal candidate
and where do you still recommend traditional approaches instead?
Speaker 7 (50:19):
Well, for weight loss patients, as I said at the beginning,
they're very tricky because you're dealing with loss of volume,
but you're also dealing with skin laxity. So whenever I'm
evaluating a patient after weight loss, I have to separate
those two things and say, hey, where do you need
more volume and where do you need skin a little
bit tighter. So for weight loss patient who wants their
(50:39):
breasts enhands. Yes, they need volume, but it's possible that
they also need some skin removed, So ala clay or
any other way to add volume is often combined with
something like a breast lift. So I have to separate
those two things in my head. So if someone's deflated
and then they're a little droopy, the deflation would be
(51:00):
treated with volume like alaclay, and the drooping would be
treated with a lift in order to get things up
and tighter. So those are often done together.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
It sounds great in combo therapy, and I love that
it is so effectively used for combo therapies pre and
post you know, surgical procedures. But we are at the
end of our date, my dear friend, I thank you
so much for coming on and being our expert on
the microphone. I learned a lot today. I thank you
for sharing your knowledge with our audience. And I'm really
excited about this revolutionary product because it's giving women a
(51:32):
real solution to a huge market gap and a big
problem in the marketplace for women who just you know,
don't want the foreign objects in their body, don't have
enough fat to give, have been told. Sorry, I can't
help you and enter this incredible product with an incredible
provider like yourself, doctor Shulman. The sky's the limit. So
thank you again for coming on.
Speaker 7 (51:51):
Oh you're very welcome. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
And you can learn more about doctor Shulman directly on
their website at doctor Shulman Plastic Surgery dot com. You
can check them out on Instagram at real dr Shulman.
That's real doctor Schulman abbreviated. And to learn more about Aloclay,
you could go directly to aloclay dot com. This has
been the Sculpting the Future series brought to you by Tiger.
You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
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Speaker 4 (52:17):
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Speaker 2 (52:18):
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