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Today's Converse lives inside the Brain Blueprint series brought to
you by the Mililo Centers. Now, meltdowns are not discipline failures.
They are neurological stress responses. Today we're unpacking what's happening
in the nervous system when behavior escalates, why the emotional
and sensory environment of the home matters more than most
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parents realize, and how small brain based shifts can change
while everything joining us is Stephanie Hanrahan. She's a writer,
a tetics speaker, and activist, and an autism mom whose
work has reached millions after she made her private journal
public documenting the unfiltered reality of parenting neurodivigent children. Alongside me,
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as always, is our co contributor, doctor Robert Malillo, world
renowned clinician, researcher, and best selling author of Disconnected Kids,
widely recognized for helping families understand the neurological why behind behavior.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And what to do about it. Welcome to the show, Superstars.
So excited to speak with you, Stephanie.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Doctor Mililo, so nice to chat with you again.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So, neuroscience tells us that when the brain perceives chronic stress,
it prioritizes survival over reasoning. And we know this from
research the Harvard Center on the Developing Child in Frontiers
in Psychology report shows that prolonged nervous system activation impacts
emotional regulation and executive function and even language access, especially
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in neurodivergent children. So, before you had language for any
of this, what did meltdowns actually represent in your home, Stephanie?
What were you seeing and what were you feeling in
those specific moments.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Well, I have two children on the spectrum, a daughter
and a son, and although they share a diagnosis, oftentimes
their autism presents very differently. My son was very susceptible
to breakdowns or meltdowns, if you will. And it's interesting
because when he was younger and these were occurring quite frequently,
I later learned that what he was seeking during those
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moments and what I was seeking to hold onto was
actually the same thing, which was control. And a little
background on me, I have a history of very early
childhood trauma and abuse, and so I grew up my
brain developed in a way where it prioritized control and safety,
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and I became a very hypervigilant little girl and grown girl,
and so I relied in my home a lot on
predictability and quiet and calm, and if you're familiar with autism,
it's anything but those things at times. So my son
emotionally would be having these breakdowns and outbursts, and internally
and sometimes externally, I'd be having them too, So we
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weren't able to coregulate at all because we both needed strategies.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Wow, Well, that reframing matters so much because it moves
parents out of shame and into understanding. So what you're
describing isn't bad behavior. It's a nervous system asking for relief.
Act on both ends, Doctor Malilo, this is where you
come in.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Yeah, so you know, again from my perspective and not
putting you on a hot seat and anything, but just
you're a mom that has done so much and knows
so much and wrote so much. Has anybody really explained
to what autism is in the brain, Like, what is
actually happening in the brain, Not the symptoms, not any
of that, but what it actually is.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I'd love to hear it from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
That would be great.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
That's the shocking thing, right, a mom as knowledgeable as you,
as sensitive as you, as in tuned as you. Nobody's
ever even tried to explain that to you. And even
the balance, the whole fight or flight thing is that
really it's an imbalance in what we call the sympathetic
and parasympathetic nervous system. And we see it in people
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with aces, meaning people that have adverse childhood experiences in trauma,
and we see it in autism, and it is mostly
due to a right brain delay because the right brain
is what is usually develops that emotional regulation, so the
ability to self regulate. All kids start out with coregulation,
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especially with the mom, and then as the mom is
doing that in the first eighteen months to two years,
the right brain is developing. That interaction literally makes it develop,
and then they develop their own ability to self regulate.
But if you never develop that area of your right
brain appropriately, and he's also feeling that in autism, they're
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not developing that, and so you know, the way you
describe it is perfectly they're in this fight or flight
stress response that looks like a meltdown or is a meltdown,
and yet you're not able to self regulate. He's not
able to self regulate, and all of this is happening
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Absolutely, I concur with that for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And it's interesting because when the nervous system is disregulated,
the brain loses access to logic and language. Behavior becomes
communication at that point, not choice, and it's a bad cycle.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So, Stephanie, when the studies that we looked at the
published in Developmental psychology, they show that parental stress directly
correlates with increased emotional reactivity in children, not because parents
are doing something wrong. But because nervous systems coregulate, like
doctor Millllle just alluded to, and kids absorbed emotional tone
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long before they process instruction. So how did your own exhaustion,
or your grief, or your own trauma and pressure to
hold everything together shape the emotional environment inside your home?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Growing up I kind of received the memo that differences
were deficits. And so when I became a mother, I
had spent years masking my own differences and making sure
that I presented myself with this front of perfectionism as
a defense mechanism, as a safety measure. And then I
had two autistic children and there was no room to
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hide anymore. Autism is a difference that's lived out loud,
and so I was really wrestling with the idea of
for a long time, how do we hide this? How
do we mask this? How do we follow what the
world tells us is good and worthy? And that was
creating a lot of chaos in my home, a lot
of disconnect in my home and from myself as well
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relationally with them. And so it was only when I
introduced that idea of like radical acceptance for myself first
and then extending it outward to my child that I
was children, that I was really able to feel an
emotional shift in our home. And I think there was
a study I read years ago that really stuck with
me on this. There was sweat samples were collected in
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a lab from participants that had run on a treadmill
and then first time skydivers. And when even though the
sweat samples looked identical, when they were given to a
second set of participants to smell or inhale, the one
that was triggered by fear the people just skydiving for
the first time was the one that activated the amygdala
and the brain's threat to center in those blind participants.
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And that stuck with me so much because it made
me realize if strangers in a lab can react to
someone else's fear by smelling it, what can my children's
sense who are in the home with me every day
and rely on me for emotional regulation. What are they
picking up help me ever saying a word? And so
that's why I'm a big, big advocate for if a
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parent doesn't heal, a child will always hurt in some way.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Ooh, that's some deep stuff, and you are spot on.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Yeah, you know that's so important because we actually in
our centers in New York, we have a room where
we do specific brain rehabilitation and stimulation, and we have
one for children and one for adults for the very
reason that we often need to work with the parents
at the same time with the child, and because they're
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so busy, the only time they have time to do
that is when their child is being treated by us.
But what we find, you know, things like retain primitive reflexes,
which are really critical to brain development. We find that
in the child and one or both of the parents,
they usually have a similar pattern. And I've even seen
where one mom and one her son who was on
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the autism spectrum, they both have what's called a spinal
dolat and the son we couldn't get rid of that
until we got rid of it in the mom. So
there is this relationship where your brain, especially mom's brains,
resonate with your kids. Like you're saying in multiple streams,
sense of smell is hugely important. We test it on
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every kid. Nobody tests it. But mainly it's important not
because of how it affects food, but because it also
is the foundation of social networks. That's where those pheromones
and everything that you're talking about. But you know, the
question I have is when you began changing how the
home felt rather than trying to control behavior, What shifts
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did you notice first in your kids and in your
home and in yourself.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Well, I think the biggest shift came when I finally
reached the point where I was openly talking about autism
with them, with everyone, and offering that acceptance. They began
to offer it to themselves too. And so you brought
up early I said, you know, the fact that like
human homes are more we kind of alluded to the
fact that human homes are better than happy homes. And
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I think that's a mistake that moms often make, or
parents often make sometimes, the saying I just want my kid.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
To be happy, I just want them to be happy.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Well, I want my kids to be human, and the
human experience is full of the gamut of emotions. And
so when I dropped that veil of perfectionism, we together
learned to name everything that we are feeling. And so
I believe, truly in my heart it's not the rupture
that causes the damage. It's the lack of repair afterwards.
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So I know moms are so hard of themselves for
being overwhelmed or flat. I slip into a flat affect
sometimes I detach right in order to protect myself from
the chaos and the world around me.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And I was really hard on myself. What damage am
I doing to my kids?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
But what I began to realize is as long as
I was naming that I'm feeling overwhelmed, I'm going to
go take a break. Mom's feeling really anxious right now,
I'm going to go outside and take a walk. Whatever
those examples were, I would start seeing them out loud
to my children. And now my children are almost ten
and twelve, and they do the same. They do their
same in peer groups. I need to take a break
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from playing this game and feeling a little overwhelmed. And
so those are the biggest shifts that I really saw,
is being able to not only feel our emotions but
put language to them, and then that widen their experience
and their relation with myself and my husband, but also
with their peers and their social networks.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
That's critical insight, because the brain doesn't heal in chaos.
It heals in rhythm and in safety and more importantly
in consistency, so when the environment stabilizes, regulation follows. While
we are at the end of this conversation, Stephanie, thank
you for your honesty, because stories like yours don't just make.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
People feel seen.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
They give families language for what they're living and permission
to pursue support without shame. And that's really what we're
trying to do here in the Brain Blueprint Series.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And doctor Milillo. Well, you know how I feel about you.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thank you for having me, and thank you for the
work here.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Very important.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Now for those listening and watching, if you want to
keep up with Stephanie, you can visit her website tinkles
herpants dot com and you could follow her directly on
the Gram at tinkles her Pants. And for more information
on the Brain Blueprint Series and the work of doctor
Robert Mililo and the Mililo Centers, you can go directly
to doctor Robertmlilo dot com and check them out on
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Instagram at doctor Robert Mililo.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
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Welcome back, beautiful New York Tri State Area and beyond.
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I'm your host, Zenzam's Welcome back.
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To Sculpting the Future series, brought to you by Aloclay
and Tiger Esthetics. As we approach International Women's Day, we're
having a very specific conversation, not about bigger, not about extremes,
but about something women quietly struggle with every single day. Asymmetry,
hip dips, post licosection, contour regularities, volume loss after pregnancy,
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or weight shifts. Women want correction, not escalation, refinement not replacement.
And that's where Alloclay has created an entirely new category
in non surgical body conjuring. I'm joined by two exceptional
plastic surgeons who understand both structure and aesthetics at the
highest level, Doctor Anna Steve and doctor Akash Shanda Rakar.
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Doctor Ana Steve is a New York City based plastic
surgeon right here known for her meticulous patient center approach
and expertise in natural looking enhancement and small volume correction.
And doctor Cash is a Board certified plastic surgeon with
advanced training in both reconstructive and aesthetic surgery, known for refined,
balanced results and thoughtful long term planning.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Welcome to the show Superstars.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Ay, nice to thanks.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm going to start with you, doctor Steve. So in
your practice you see women who don't necessarily want surgery,
but they also don't want to ignore asymmetry and the
hip dips or contrary regularities that really affect how they
feel in clothing or in their own skin. So what
problem does this lack of an in between solution, if
you will create for patients seeking that subtle natural correction.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
Yeah, I mean, I see mostly what who are considering
breast enhancement, and most of those women are women who
have busy lives, busy careers, busy home lives. They're trying
to run a household and manage their careers, and so
they're looking for solutions that have minimal downtime. And that's
where I think a lot of them are considering either
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options that are more procedural in nature and less surgical,
or options that are more aligned with that shorter downtime.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, and that's quite the important distinction to make because
it really validates that something can be subtle medically but
significant emotionally.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, And now, so doctor Akash, from both a reconstructive
and an aesthetic perspective, where have traditional tools like implants
or liposuction fallen short when addressing asymmetry or post procedure deformities.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Implants are lifetime devices and foreign bodies, and despite all
the advancements in implant technology over the years, there's still
going to be a foreign body reaction of some sort
that occurs over the lifetime of that patient. We're still
using formulaic shaped breast prost species to treat diverse needs
(19:15):
with respect to size and shape. And that's even within
the same patient who may be asymmetric with respect to
size and shape. So it's kind of a one size
fits all approach that doesn't really work for a lot
of patients even within their own bodies. Then correcting any
minor asymmetries or issues that occur require a full surgery,
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usually with a lot of internal construction, So that's not
really the most optimal option for patients. If we look
at liposuction, especially with fat grafting, it's a great idea
and concept, but inherently the biology of moving a living
fat cell out of its home and to another is
highly unpredictable. It relies on a lot of other factors
(19:58):
to get decent survival of that fact which then in
turn creates asymmetries and unpredictability. And on top of that,
like we spoke about, and especially in my patient's population
here in Florida, a lot of our patients don't have
enough of their own fat, making all of this a
little bit of a moot point with respect to fat crafting,
and we're seeing more of that with patients losing weight
(20:19):
rapidly on the peptides and glps, and that long.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Term perspective that you just outline actually really matters because
patients don't just live with results for six months, I
mean they live with them for years, right, which brings
me to the next question, Doctor Anna, we're seeing a
noticeable shift in what women want right like. According to
the McKenzie's twenty twenty five Future Wellness Report, personalization and
minimally invasive solutions are among the fastest growing segments in aesthetics.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So why are women Why are more.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Women prioritizing proportion and balance and flexibility over that dramatic
or permanent structural change.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Do you think?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
I think it has to do with a lot of
different things. For some women, it's about their active lifestyle.
For some women, it's about their fashion. For others, it's
about not wanting a departure from what is their own anatomy,
but more so subtle changes and restoring maybe what was
lost during times like breastfeeding and pregnancy. And so I
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think in a lot of ways, the esthetic world is
shifting into more of an undetectable, natural, quiet luxury.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I like that quiet luxury.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, that really speaks to modern agency. It's not about transformation,
it's about alignment. So doctor Acash the clinically, when evaluating
these new technologies in body conjuring, what do you look
for to determine whether a solution truly addresses a structural
concern rather than simply disguising it.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, I think that's really important. I'm a scientist at
my core, and you really have to think of the
biophysics of these solutions, especially when thinking about things like
ALOCAI compared to existing technologies for improving contour in general
and plastic surgery. We one of the guiging principles we
have is replacing like with like, and most contour issues
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that patients have are related to alterations in that fat layer.
So replacing it with something like an added post matrix,
which is a fat matrix that's created from and therefore
will mimic that will provide the best like with like solution.
And that's why a lot of filler technologies that have
been touted to biosimulate or improve contour, especially in the
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breast or gluteal regions, they don't have the right structure
in biophysical components to create proper volumeization in those areas. Then,
not only that different areas of the body require handling
different forces to improve contour regularities. There So, treatments that
have been specifically engineered towards fatial applications, which is most
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fillers and existing at a post matrixes, they will fall
short in the breast and body when exposed to the
forces and the muscles and the fascia that you need
to create an improvement in that contra regular.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
This is truly its own category now, Doctor Anna, as
we approach International Women's Day, conversations around autonomy and informed choice.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Our front and center.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
How does having options beyond implants change the emotional dynamic
of a consultation, especially for women who want correction without
committing to surgery.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Well, I think we've come a long way in terms
of our agency, and I do think with advancements in
implant technology and having more biocompatible implants, a lot of
women are choosing to combine breast implant surgeries with tools
like all of Clay, and I certainly work with a
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lot of women who this actually makes implants a better
option for them because they can choose to have their
implants placed over the muscle. When combined with Alclay versus
without we're committed to more invasive procedures. So I think
in a lot of ways, just in aesthetics in general,
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the more choice we have for our patients, the more
we can find the right options that align with what
resonates with their esthetic goals.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And that's incredibly empowering, right when you give women choices
instead of you know, ultimatums or draw the line in
the sand. In terms of product availability, this is definitely
a home run. They've solved a huge problem in the
marketplace now, doctor Shanda Waka. So alloclay uses this proprietary
adipose matrix that you spoke about and is really positioned
(24:44):
as a non surgical body conjuring option right in the marketplace.
But from a structural standpoint, how does this expand what's
really possible for patients who previously felt that they had
like really limited solutions.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, that's the really cool part about this technology. With aloclay,
we aren't just filling a hole that was old technology.
We're building living architecture with aloclay. Structurally, the matrix is
really made up of two things. It's the extracellular matrix,
which is kind of like the foundation of the house,
and then the empty house where those fat cells lived.
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When we place this matrix, the patient's own body will
populate that foundation in those houses, so their own cells
move into these empty houses, and also new fat cells
get generated. After about six weeks, that matrix dissolves and
what remains is the patient's own living fat positioned in
the right place, so we have no long term foreign
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body with aloclay. It's just really a vehicle to create
living structure. This is really the bones of true tissue
engineering as it has been positioned for many years, and
that allows us to direct a patient's own fat into
specific anatomies without using surgery. So this is, you know,
really revolutionary tech technology because we don't really have anything
(26:08):
like this out there, but this has been the dream
of tissue engineering for many years.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well said well doctor Cash, Doctor Anna, do you is
there anything else you want to add to the conversation?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I think this is great. All right, Well there you go.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Such an important conversation, especially as we head into International
Women's Day, because this isn't about more, it's about better options.
Thank you to doctor Anna Steve. You can learn more
at nine Steen Plastic Surgery dot com and you can
follow her directly on the.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Gram at Anna K.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Steve, MD.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
And thank you to doctor Cash Shanda Wrakarb.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You could visit Mirror Plasticsurgery dot com and follow them
on the gram that Mirror Plastic Surgery and that doctor A.
Cash plastic surgery. Today's Sculpting the Future series was brought
to you by Aliklay and Tiger Esthetics. To learn more,
you can visit alloclade dot com. I'm Zen, Sam's We'll
be very back after this.
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matters just as much as what we pour into our
minds and our hearts and today's conversation. While of course
it's about in because here's what the research does tell us.
According to the American Psychological Association, there's over sixty percent
of gen Zers that report chronic stress and anxiety driven
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by uncertainty, pressure, identity exploration, and a world that never
seems to slow down. Yet at the same time, studies
from Pew Research Centers show Gen Z is less religious,
but more spiritual and curious than any generation before them.
Spiritual curiosity is at its peak. So what does that
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belief look like? Now, Well, it's not so much about religion.
It's not about rules, but it's about alignment. It's about
intention and trust. It's that personal connection to something greater,
however you want to define it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Joining me are two.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Voices shaping what belief looks like in real time. First,
we have our recurring contributor, Gabe Einhorn. He's the twenty
three year old entrepreneur founder of Praise, a modern faith
based clothing and media brand built to spread below in
an inclusive, accessible way. And alongside him we have Max Cohen,
known to many as Murray Hillboy, a dynamic creator with
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over five hundred thousand followers across platforms and counting. He
uses humor, storytelling, and cultural identity to spread Jewish joy,
advocate for LGBTQ visibility, and bridge generational gaps, all while
reminding people that kindness and authenticity do, in fact matter.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Welcome to the show, Superstars, Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Thank you all right, Gabe, welcome back. Max, so glad
to have you. So I'm going to start with you, Gabe.
All right, you're twenty three, right, and you're already balancing entrepreneurship, finance,
tech and really purpose driven branding is what I call it.
That's a lot of pressure at a young age, especially
in a culture that glorifies hustle but rarely talks about grounding.
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So before belief or prayer even enter the conversation, what
drives you personally? You gabe inside to build an create
and take risks at this stage of.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Your life for sure.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Yeah, it's a mix of family and God. I believe
that belief in God is really everything. When you have
a belief in God, there's no fear of anything that's
stopping you. I only fear man. I don't fear man,
I only fear God. And on top of that, I
parents that raised me to not be afraid of anything,
to chase my dreams and trust in them that I
could do anything and if I put my mind to it.
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So I'm okay with failing. I'm okay with making mistakes,
and I know that I got to take risks now
because later on I'll regret it if I play it safe.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
So I love that you're using your environment and your
family to really fuel you.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
That's amazing, which brings me to max. I mean, your
content is funny.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I took the entire night stalking you last night, college life, dating,
growing up Jewish, but there's also heart underneath the humor.
But at least I was able to connect with you
on that level. So when did you realize comedy wasn't
just like entertainment for you, but actually a way to
connect people and create something meaningful for sure.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
I mean when I was first getting started, it was
just about making myself laugh, making my friends laugh. But
I think that comedy is a universal language that people
can relate to, whether they've had my lived experiences or not.
And seeing the way that it was able to connect people,
I was like, why don't I use this platform for
more than just comedy?
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Right?
Speaker 10 (31:19):
Maybe we can all learn something about each other, and
maybe I can change people's views on how they would
see me as a Jewish and gay man. Maybe not,
but you know, let's try and see what people respond
to it. And I've been very lucky that people have
responded really positively to my authenticity and however I choose
to share it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh yeah, they really have, And that what you said
is powerful because laughter actually lowers everybody's stress hormones and
increases that social bondings.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Now, gay, let's talk belief, but not religion.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Right, So, according to the research, there's like seventy percent
of gen Zers that believe in higher power, even if
they reject traditional labels. Right, So, how do you personally
define prayer or spirituality and how do does it show
up when you're making big decisions or facing uncertainty for sure.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah. I mean for me, prayers it's just talking. It's
a conversation. It could be with a God, a higher power,
or whatever you believe, but it's recognizing that there's something
greater than you being able to talk have conversations with
God or whatever you believe in. And it's not only
just for asking stuff, but it's also for thinking stuff,
showing gratitude. I wake up every morning, I thank God.
I try to thank God throughout the day and talk
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to God. And then when things get uncertain and difficult,
that's like when prayer comes the most, because that's when
you think of talking to God. Is when things are
complicated and you need help, so you'll ask God for help.
So that's when you kind of give it up to
God or whatever higher power you believe in. I'm and
just trust that everything will work out.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
And that distinction is so important because it's prayer as intention,
not instruction. Now, that's your platform bridges generations and identities,
often in.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Unexpected ways.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Okay, So have you ever had a moment on or
off camera where something aligned so clearly that you thought, Okay,
the universe is definitely listening right now.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Yeah, you know, I wasn't always making videos online for
a living. I did have an original career path of
thinking I was going to be a lawyer and go
to law school. And I was working as a paralegal
at a very large law firm and I was super
unsatisfied with my time there. But I kind of felt
trapped because there were so many expectations on me to
continue this path forward. And my manager on my team
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was like, I need one of you to go work
for our clients for a couple of months instead of
working here. And I was like, this is my chance.
If I don't take it now, it's going to pass
me by. And what was great about that job that
I ended up taking working for a client is the
workday was structured very differently and it gave me so
much free time outside of work to pursue my other interests.
And that was actually when I got started creating videos,
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which would have never been afforded to me had I
not taken that chance.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Perfect alignment, yep, And those moments stay with us, right,
the meaning making experiences when life clicks into place and
reinforces direction. I mean, there're often the moments people reference
during periods of growth or transition. Now, Gabe, entrepreneurship can
be I guess isolating in many ways, especially when you're
building something purpose driven.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Was there a defining moment where you felt.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Supported by something bigger than yourself? I mean, even if
the outcome wasn't what you originally planned for sure?
Speaker 9 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean they say it's lonely at the top,
and I feel that sometimes. I was actually going through
a tough time this summer, just trying to figure out
what I was doing with my career. I decided to
go back to Israel. Actually, I feel like it's the
holiest place in the world. I was looking for clarity
and was able to reconnect with God in my purpose
and from there figured out what I wanted to do
with my career, had some good ideas, let some problems
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go away, and I realized that you know, when you
look back at things, even like the worst situations in
the moment, it sucks, but then you look back and
you realize that everything ends up always working out and
really everything's part of God's plan.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So oh, I mean, well said everything is part of
God's plan, and that surrender piece is huge because it
shows that people who practice trust not control, right, we
recover faster from setbacks and experience that greater emotional stability.
And that's kind of resilience in action because it really
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causes you to pause and reflect. Max you openly represent
both the Jewish and the LGBTQ communities online and that
takes courage in a digital world that can be unforgiving.
So how do you stay grounded in who you are
when outside voices and algorithms or expectations or ecosystems try
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to define you.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Listen, I'd be lying if I said that I was
able to ignore all of it. I think part of
putting yourself online is you're getting hundreds of thousands of
opinions every day. But I try to strain through it
and pick out the positive. You know, really look at
myself when the constructive criticism comes in, and for the
blade and anti semitism or homophobia, I just let that
go because I can't put my energy towards things that
don't serve me. But I try my best to be
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an open air. You know, if people are interacting with
your content, that's a great thing. So giving them the
respective hearing what they have to say is important to me.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Well, there you go. I love it wise words spoken
by Murray Hill Boy. Thank you, I love it well,
the two of you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
This conversation is such a reminder that belief I always
say doesn't have to look one wag, It's just it
just has to feel true to you. You both reinforced
that today, and thank you for being open, honest, and
transparent and of course that inner hydration trust alignment intention
is just as vital as physical hydration. So Max, thank
you so much for coming on to headquarters today. Gabe,
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thanks again for bringing inspiring guests.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Thank you for today's guests. You can check them out
directly on Instagram. You can go to Max Cohen's Instagram
page at Murray Hill Boy and on TikTok. And Gabe
you can check them out directly at gopraise dot com
and also Gabe is directly on Instagram at Praise Studio.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
We'll be right back after this.
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Welcome Back to the Heart of Influence series brought to
you by Diamond Lake and its subsidiaries. Today's episode is
titled The Business of Belief. How broken systems are forcing
leaders and artists to rebuild ownership, trust and influence from
the ground up. My guests today sit on opposite ends
of the traditional spectrum, yet are building toward the same future.
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I'm joined by my co contributor, Brian Jaysposito, globally ranked CEO,
founder of Esposito Intellectual Enterprises and the visionary leader behind
Diamond Lake's extraordinary transformation, overseeing ventures across more than twenty
five industries.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Worldwide.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I'm joined by Adam mckinnis, known as the soul Shaker,
lead singer and co creator of Sons of Legion, one
of the most successful independent bands in the world, and
the founder of JR And why a creator owned platform,
redefining how artists protect their voice, their audience, and their future.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And what connects these two isn't coincidence.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's belief, belief in ownership, belief in alignment, and belief
that when the right people come together, light attracts light for.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
The betterment of humanity. Let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Welcome to the show, Superstars.
Speaker 12 (38:42):
Great to be here, Zed, thanks for having us.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
All right, Brian, so nice to have you back, Adam.
Pleasure that you're joining us today. I'm going to start
with you, Brian. So, we're seeing this massive trust breakdown
in the marketplace, and Harvard Business Review reports that companies
with low and and external trust experience higher volatility, weaker
brand loyalty, and slower recovery during the downturns. Yet many
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leaders still focus on optics instead of fundamentals. So what
do you see as the biggest trust failure in today's marketplace?
And what are the leaders fundamentally getting wrong about how
trust is actually rebuilt.
Speaker 12 (39:20):
So many ways to answer that question, but I think
at the end of the day, it always falls back
to really harsh demand on profitability.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Right.
Speaker 12 (39:27):
A lot of these companies that are forced by investors,
different board members, different personalities, different stakeholders. Even if the creator,
the founder, the CEO wants to do things a certain way,
they're so pushed and manipulated and driven to make sure
that no, you can't do that. There's no money in
doing it the good way. There's no engagement doing it
the good way. That's why it's so important with people
like Adam and Journey. It's staying completely controlled in private.
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There's no outside influence, it can't be affected. So to me,
that's one of the biggest drivers. Outside of that, it's
also the slot machine effect of humanity. People are always monetizing.
How do you get someone's reaction? So the best way
in the history is to get someone's reaction. Is always shocked,
even the news when you're looking at legacy history on
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monetization and using engagement tactics that really harm humanity, bring
down the frequency of humanity. It's hard to change that
and when someone tries to change that or change that narrative,
the usually labeled crazy. Right, they usually try to put
a stigma on them. You can't do that, and then
then then it's hard for the new person they get
the trust of a community because all these other media
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outlets are pointing at them saying that that's ridiculous. Don't
listen to that guy or girl.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, that's such an important distinction what you just said,
because trust isn't rebuilt through messaging, it's rebuilt through structure
and behavior, and that really changes everything. Now, Adam, the
music industry is a perfect example of broken systems.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Okay, well we know this. Studies show that the.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Vast majority of artists signed to labels never recoup. Yet
independent artists like Sons of Legion have proven that direct
to fan models can fact that perform the traditional gatekeepers
when done right. Okay, So, as one of the most
successful independent artists right now in the world, what is
the biggest lie creatives are still being told and what
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does sustainable independence actually require.
Speaker 13 (41:15):
Most artists believe that they have to get an executive
to be on their side, or an executive has to
validate them, so they're worried about one or group of
people who are at a record company or a publishing
company or a management company to give them validation instead
of going directly to fans. And that's the big misconception.
It's the perspective shift of you don't need a few
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executives to tell you you're good if there's a thousand
fans in front of you telling you you're good. And
so as long as that perspective shifts, especially in a
time right now with social media where anyone can put
out music at fee time, they don't have to go
through a system, they don't have to wait for song's approval,
I think it's just important for artists to actually go
back to how music used to be, where you would
perform in front of people and they would tell you
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if the song was good or not, rather than just
hope someone finds you and discovers you. When you remove
that idea of being discovered and going to I already
am here, that's a different shift a perspective.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
I like that perspective. That's powerful.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And also, independence isn't about doing everything alone. It's about
owning the relationship and having that connection with the fans.
And you've done that so brilliantly without having to force
the needle too much. And now this pivots very nicely
into my next question for you, Brian. Capital is often
deployed without alignment, and we see that, we see the
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fallout everywhere.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
We know from statistics.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
If you look at the McKinsey reports, they've shown that
misaligned investments erode long term enterprise value even when short
term returns look strong. Right, So what problem do you
see with how capital is typically deployed today and how
does that alignment that we're talking about completely change outcomes
when backing creators like Adam in Sons of Legion, innovators
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or the unconventional vision.
Speaker 12 (43:01):
Again, different ways to answer that, depending upon the corporation or
the independent company. If people don't like to rock the boat,
they just want to keep the systems moving. So there's
that going on, and then there's there's also influence from
what's happening in the world. People try to jump on
a trend to allocate capital and expect some sort of
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return on that, but it doesn't work like that. There's
always needs to be a long term play and foundation.
If you're before the trend because you spotted it or
because you know, again the great things that Journey and
Autum are doing. If you can identify a movement happening
somewhere through things like AI and all this data collection
points and prepare yourself for that movement, and when it
starts to happen, you can allocate capital into that movement
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and actually see some trajectory and some increase in whatever
the return is, whatever you're call to action is. But
trying to throw capital at to something in the midst
of a movement, it's just a waste of time. It's
a waste of money. The messaging does isn't clear because
it's not consistent with prior marketing, So there's a lot
of different pieces going. There really needs to be a
well thought out plan on any capital positioning in the market,
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and the things that we do, we're very like a
brain surgeon on them. Where do we allocate capital, how
is it used, what's the return on it? And for me,
it's because I made every mistake you could think of
over the last two decades. So when you get a
little bit older and wiser, you know, the most valuable
thing in my life is I know what not to do,
so that I can't even put a price tag on that.
So when you start to see things happening, you know
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where to put resources. I think Adam speaks violently for
this as well. His success and what he's done is
also his life lessons and experience. And when you start
to put all these things together and the market lines
up with that, you can just create magic and you
don't even need to spend a lot of money. If
the messaging is good, the content's good, it's genuine. It
connects with your audience. Whether you're selling a piece of IP,
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a service, a product doesn't matter if the messaging is
genuine and the audience can feel it being genuine. My
entire history is get one customer or get one fan,
get one listener, and then that turn into two, then
that turns four, then that turns to eight, and that
turns to sixteen. The multiplier can move as long as
there's a connection between you and that community that you're building.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
And that reframes capital as a responsibility, not just leverage.
And that's a conversation. In fact, more leaders need to
hear and more artists alike. Now, Adam creators today are
burned out. Platforms monetize their audiences control their reach and
can change the rules really overnight, and that instability is
pushing artists to rethink everything. So what specific problem does
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JR and Why solve for the independent artists and creators
And why is ownership the missing piece in the creator economy?
Speaker 13 (45:38):
Yeah, So the company is called Journey Sharing Technologies, and
the reason why it's called that for a few reasons.
We'll keep one that's the best for musicians to know
is that it follows the journey of the fan or
the person who's coming to be introduced to your product
or music or your content. But for the first time
there's a through line. And what I mean by that
is if you look at let's take Spotify for example, Well,
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Spotify tells you you have super fans, they don't tell
you who they are. Or if you go to YouTube,
you can watch videos, but you can't inbox the artist.
So there's all these different sort of small nuances of
each platform that actually almost create a barrier between you
and the fan or the or the people or list
get for content. And even when it comes down to
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the algorithm, if you put out a post right now
we have two million plus people on our Facebook page,
if I put out a post, it only shows that
posts at three to ten percent of people, depending on
the time of day, which means they're choosing who gets
to see this, even though the fans have signed up
to see it, and so it's almost like there's this
distortion on both sides, right, So a journey does it
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allows everyone to get every post. It allows everyone to
see everything you're doing. But more importantly, it allows you
as the creator to also see what they're doing. So
you get to understand what are your top songs, how
much we had to listen time, how much was the
wash time of your top videos? Did people go from
your or video and then go over to buy merch
and if so, what was the song that inspired them
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to go buy more merch. It's able to predict behavior
because for the first time, showing you what all of
the sites are doing separately and putting it into one vertical.
And so with that one vertical, with a very powerful
system that we built with AI, we're able to understand
behavior at a molecular level, which allows you as the
artist to not have to and I'll be honest with this,
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sell yourself for something that you really don't want to do.
Back to Brian's point, just to create shock. So we're
creating something that has I think, more of a connection
for fans and for the creators.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
You are one hundred percent right, And that's the shift
right there, from rented audiences to owned ecosystems.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Right, that's what.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
You're doing exactly, So, Brian, most partnerships fail not because
of bad intentions, but because they're transactional instead of intentional.
We talk about this all the time, and Deloitte reports
that value driven partnerships outperform purely financial aligned is over time,
It's always the case. So how do you identify those
partnerships that are worth scaling not just financially but ethically
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and culturally. And why does the idea of you say
this all the time, light attracting light actually matter in leadership?
Speaker 12 (48:13):
Oh, that completely matters. I have to reference my mom
because she will say partners are for dancing, and I
agree with her for most of my career. But then
you find someone like Adam and you can create a real,
true partnership. The thing about Adam and I, and you
can interrupt me, I don't want to speak for you,
but what I love about this guy is many things
but we're not motivated by money or things and materialistic things.
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So when that is off the table, there's really nothing
that can give them the way of that partnership.
Speaker 8 (48:42):
Right.
Speaker 12 (48:42):
The only thing that could happen is, you know, a
spouse or significant other family member could come in with
some other something to maybe affect me, to maybe effect
at them. But if you put that aside, when you
have personalities that just want to do good and they
want to make an impact, they want to help people,
they want to create opportunity for people, they want to
show a better way again, you move mountains with that
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type of partnership. That's why I always look at things
like integrity, morals, and values, and that's key. But then
over the last few years, I think empathy for me
went to the top of the list. I need to
see somebody that feels a person's pain or humanity's pain.
I need to see that because if you don't have
that in you, then you don't care about people. We all,
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I think we're all put on this planet to help
on another. So if I can align with partnerships like that,
whatever the business, whatever we're creating, I know we can
overcome any issue and maybe conflict that we may have
on our different styles of management and whatever our motivators are,
But at the end of the day, our goal is
the same. We want to help people.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
This is a notch made in heaven.
Speaker 14 (49:47):
Independent artists today are no longer just musicians, right, They're
entrepreneurs like yourself, and community builders and cultural leaders navigating
systems that weren't designed for them.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
So when our it is and creators, here's your story,
what's the one thing you hope they learn? And why
do you believe Conversations like this need to be shared
to change how creatives think about their future.
Speaker 13 (50:10):
My only hope for artists in general, of people who
are creating something is to truly find their soul's mission.
And I don't mean that in any way other than
exactly what I'm saying. It's not like a metaphorical statement
of talking about find your soul's mission, stay true to it,
remove all things that are distorting from it, anything that
pulls you back or away from it.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Remove them.
Speaker 13 (50:32):
And if you're doing something that's valuable, that you feel
has value and someone else says, hey, I feel the
sense value, that's the currency you need and that's all
you have to work with. That's the resonance that you
need to follow, and you don't need to chase anyone
else because the beauty of this is that everyone is unique.
I'm not going to be you, You're not going to
be me. But if you can find that thing that
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makes you truly special and then grow that and give
that to others, I think that's a beauty. You can
live in life and from that and you'll find a
life that's well deserved to live.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And that's exactly why this conversation matters, because it gives
people permission to rethink what's possible.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
And like you said, it's connecting with the creator.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's allowing the universe to allow you to be aligned.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
But that doesn't happen for everybody. At the same time,
that's really a moment that is earned. It's not just given.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
The universe rewards rewards intent, the universe rewards consistency, and
the universe rewards hard work. So it's about finding that
alignment right those ecosystems. But I'm glad that it's brought
us to this conversation, and I think humanity is waking up.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
I really do all right.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
To learn more, you can visit Diamondlake dot com and
Eie dot Rocks, and you can follow Brian on the
Gram at Brian Underscore, j underscorees Bosito. And to explore
Adam's work, you can go to Sons of Legion dot
com and follow them on Instagram at Sons of Legion.
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your host, Zen SAMs. Welcome to episode two hundred and
fifty six. We begin with Sculpting the Future series brought
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International Women's Day, we're having a conversation not about more,
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new category of body conjuring for women who want correction
not implants. Joining me are two leading plastic surgeons, Doctor
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redefine proportion, balance and autonomy in modern aesthetics.
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integrated headliner is behavior is the symptom, Understanding the nervous
system behind the meltdown and why the home becomes the
first brain Blueprint. We're joined by writer, activist and autism
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mom Stephanie Hanrahan alongside the world renowned clinician and brain
expert doctor Robert Milillo, unpacking what's really happening inside the
nervous system and how small brain based shifts inside the
home can change everything. Stay tuned for the Brain Blueprint
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Today's Converse lives inside the Brain Blueprint series brought to
you by the Mililo Centers. Now, meltdowns are not discipline failures.
They are neurological stress responses. Today we're unpacking what's happening
in the nervous system when behavior escalates, why the emotional
and sensory environment of the home matters more than most
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parents realize, and how small brain based shifts can change
while everything joining us is Stephanie Hanrahan. She's a writer,
a tetics speaker, and activist, and an autism mom whose
work has reached millions after she made her private journal
public documenting the unfiltered reality of parenting neurodivigent children. Alongside me,
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as always, is our co contributor, doctor Robert Malillo, world
renowned clinician, researcher, and best selling author of Disconnected Kids,
widely recognized for helping families understand the neurological why behind behavior.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And what to do about it. Welcome to the show, Superstars.
So excited to speak with you, Stephanie.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Doctor Mililo, so nice to chat with you again.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So, neuroscience tells us that when the brain perceives chronic stress,
it prioritizes survival over reasoning. And we know this from
research the Harvard Center on the Developing Child in Frontiers
in Psychology report shows that prolonged nervous system activation impacts
emotional regulation and executive function and even language access, especially
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in neurodivergent children. So, before you had language for any
of this, what did meltdowns actually represent in your home, Stephanie?
What were you seeing and what were you feeling in
those specific moments.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Well, I have two children on the spectrum, a daughter
and a son, and although they share a diagnosis, oftentimes
their autism presents very differently. My son was very susceptible
to breakdowns or meltdowns, if you will. And it's interesting
because when he was younger and these were occurring quite frequently,
I later learned that what he was seeking during those
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moments and what I was seeking to hold onto was
actually the same thing, which was control. And a little
background on me, I have a history of very early
childhood trauma and abuse, and so I grew up my
brain developed in a way where it prioritized control and safety,
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and I became a very hypervigilant little girl and grown girl,
and so I relied in my home a lot on
predictability and quiet and calm, and if you're familiar with autism,
it's anything but those things at times. So my son
emotionally would be having these breakdowns and outbursts, and internally
and sometimes externally, I'd be having them too, So we
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weren't able to coregulate at all because we both needed strategies.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Wow, Well, that reframing matters so much because it moves
parents out of shame and into understanding. So what you're
describing isn't bad behavior. It's a nervous system asking for relief.
Act on both ends, Doctor Malilo, this is where you
come in.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Yeah, so you know, again from my perspective and not
putting you on a hot seat and anything, but just
you're a mom that has done so much and knows
so much and wrote so much. Has anybody really explained
to what autism is in the brain, Like, what is
actually happening in the brain, Not the symptoms, not any
of that, but what it actually is.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
I'd love to hear it from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
That would be great.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
That's the shocking thing, right, a mom as knowledgeable as you,
as sensitive as you, as in tuned as you. Nobody's
ever even tried to explain that to you. And even
the balance, the whole fight or flight thing is that
really it's an imbalance in what we call the sympathetic
and parasympathetic nervous system. And we see it in people
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with aces, meaning people that have adverse childhood experiences in trauma,
and we see it in autism, and it is mostly
due to a right brain delay because the right brain
is what is usually develops that emotional regulation, so the
ability to self regulate. All kids start out with coregulation,
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especially with the mom, and then as the mom is
doing that in the first eighteen months to two years,
the right brain is developing. That interaction literally makes it develop,
and then they develop their own ability to self regulate.
But if you never develop that area of your right
brain appropriately, and he's also feeling that in autism, they're
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not developing that, and so you know, the way you
describe it is perfectly they're in this fight or flight
stress response that looks like a meltdown or is a meltdown,
and yet you're not able to self regulate. He's not
able to self regulate, and all of this is happening
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Absolutely, I concur with that for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And it's interesting because when the nervous system is disregulated,
the brain loses access to logic and language. Behavior becomes
communication at that point, not choice, and it's a bad cycle.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So, Stephanie, when the studies that we looked at the
published in Developmental psychology, they show that parental stress directly
correlates with increased emotional reactivity in children, not because parents
are doing something wrong. But because nervous systems coregulate, like
doctor Millllle just alluded to, and kids absorbed emotional tone
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long before they process instruction. So how did your own exhaustion,
or your grief, or your own trauma and pressure to
hold everything together shape the emotional environment inside your home?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Growing up I kind of received the memo that differences
were deficits. And so when I became a mother, I
had spent years masking my own differences and making sure
that I presented myself with this front of perfectionism as
a defense mechanism, as a safety measure. And then I
had two autistic children and there was no room to
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hide anymore. Autism is a difference that's lived out loud,
and so I was really wrestling with the idea of
for a long time, how do we hide this? How
do we mask this? How do we follow what the
world tells us is good and worthy? And that was
creating a lot of chaos in my home, a lot
of disconnect in my home and from myself as well
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relationally with them. And so it was only when I
introduced that idea of like radical acceptance for myself first
and then extending it outward to my child that I
was children, that I was really able to feel an
emotional shift in our home. And I think there was
a study I read years ago that really stuck with
me on this. There was sweat samples were collected in
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a lab from participants that had run on a treadmill
and then first time skydivers. And when even though the
sweat samples looked identical, when they were given to a
second set of participants to smell or inhale, the one
that was triggered by fear the people just skydiving for
the first time was the one that activated the amygdala
and the brain's threat to center in those blind participants.
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And that stuck with me so much because it made
me realize if strangers in a lab can react to
someone else's fear by smelling it, what can my children's
sense who are in the home with me every day
and rely on me for emotional regulation. What are they
picking up help me ever saying a word? And so
that's why I'm a big, big advocate for if a
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parent doesn't heal, a child will always hurt in some way.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Ooh, that's some deep stuff, and you are spot on.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Yeah, you know that's so important because we actually in
our centers in New York, we have a room where
we do specific brain rehabilitation and stimulation, and we have
one for children and one for adults for the very
reason that we often need to work with the parents
at the same time with the child, and because they're
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so busy, the only time they have time to do
that is when their child is being treated by us.
But what we find, you know, things like retain primitive reflexes,
which are really critical to brain development. We find that
in the child and one or both of the parents,
they usually have a similar pattern. And I've even seen
where one mom and one her son who was on
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the autism spectrum, they both have what's called a spinal
dolat and the son we couldn't get rid of that
until we got rid of it in the mom. So
there is this relationship where your brain, especially mom's brains,
resonate with your kids. Like you're saying in multiple streams,
sense of smell is hugely important. We test it on
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every kid. Nobody tests it. But mainly it's important not
because of how it affects food, but because it also
is the foundation of social networks. That's where those pheromones
and everything that you're talking about. But you know, the
question I have is when you began changing how the
home felt rather than trying to control behavior, What shifts
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did you notice first in your kids and in your
home and in yourself.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Well, I think the biggest shift came when I finally
reached the point where I was openly talking about autism
with them, with everyone, and offering that acceptance. They began
to offer it to themselves too. And so you brought
up early I said, you know, the fact that like
human homes are more we kind of alluded to the
fact that human homes are better than happy homes. And
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I think that's a mistake that moms often make, or
parents often make sometimes, the saying I just want my kid.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
To be happy, I just want them to be happy.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Well, I want my kids to be human, and the
human experience is full of the gamut of emotions. And
so when I dropped that veil of perfectionism, we together
learned to name everything that we are feeling. And so
I believe, truly in my heart it's not the rupture
that causes the damage. It's the lack of repair afterwards.
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So I know moms are so hard of themselves for
being overwhelmed or flat. I slip into a flat affect
sometimes I detach right in order to protect myself from
the chaos and the world around me.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And I was really hard on myself. What damage am
I doing to my kids?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
But what I began to realize is as long as
I was naming that I'm feeling overwhelmed, I'm going to
go take a break. Mom's feeling really anxious right now,
I'm going to go outside and take a walk. Whatever
those examples were, I would start seeing them out loud
to my children. And now my children are almost ten
and twelve, and they do the same. They do their
same in peer groups. I need to take a break
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from playing this game and feeling a little overwhelmed. And
so those are the biggest shifts that I really saw,
is being able to not only feel our emotions but
put language to them, and then that widen their experience
and their relation with myself and my husband, but also
with their peers and their social networks.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
That's critical insight, because the brain doesn't heal in chaos.
It heals in rhythm and in safety and more importantly
in consistency, so when the environment stabilizes, regulation follows. While
we are at the end of this conversation, Stephanie, thank
you for your honesty, because stories like yours don't just make.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
People feel seen.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
They give families language for what they're living and permission
to pursue support without shame. And that's really what we're
trying to do here in the Brain Blueprint Series.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And doctor Milillo. Well, you know how I feel about you.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thank you for having me, and thank you for the
work here.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Very important.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Now for those listening and watching, if you want to
keep up with Stephanie, you can visit her website tinkles
herpants dot com and you could follow her directly on
the Gram at tinkles her Pants. And for more information
on the Brain Blueprint Series and the work of doctor
Robert Mililo and the Mililo Centers, you can go directly
to doctor Robertmlilo dot com and check them out on
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Instagram at doctor Robert Mililo.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
We'll be right back after this.
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Welcome back, beautiful New York Tri State Area and beyond.
You're listening to a moment of zen right here on
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I'm your host, Zenzam's Welcome back.
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To Sculpting the Future series, brought to you by Aloclay
and Tiger Esthetics. As we approach International Women's Day, we're
having a very specific conversation, not about bigger, not about extremes,
but about something women quietly struggle with every single day. Asymmetry,
hip dips, post licosection, contour regularities, volume loss after pregnancy,
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or weight shifts. Women want correction, not escalation, refinement not replacement.
And that's where Alloclay has created an entirely new category
in non surgical body conjuring. I'm joined by two exceptional
plastic surgeons who understand both structure and aesthetics at the
highest level, Doctor Anna Steve and doctor Akash Shanda Rakar.
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Doctor Ana Steve is a New York City based plastic
surgeon right here known for her meticulous patient center approach
and expertise in natural looking enhancement and small volume correction.
And doctor Cash is a Board certified plastic surgeon with
advanced training in both reconstructive and aesthetic surgery, known for refined,
balanced results and thoughtful long term planning.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Welcome to the show Superstars.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Ay, nice to thanks.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm going to start with you, doctor Steve. So in
your practice you see women who don't necessarily want surgery,
but they also don't want to ignore asymmetry and the
hip dips or contrary regularities that really affect how they
feel in clothing or in their own skin. So what
problem does this lack of an in between solution, if
you will create for patients seeking that subtle natural correction.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
Yeah, I mean, I see mostly what who are considering
breast enhancement, and most of those women are women who
have busy lives, busy careers, busy home lives. They're trying
to run a household and manage their careers, and so
they're looking for solutions that have minimal downtime. And that's
where I think a lot of them are considering either
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options that are more procedural in nature and less surgical,
or options that are more aligned with that shorter downtime.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, and that's quite the important distinction to make because
it really validates that something can be subtle medically but
significant emotionally.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, And now, so doctor Akash, from both a reconstructive
and an aesthetic perspective, where have traditional tools like implants
or liposuction fallen short when addressing asymmetry or post procedure deformities.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Implants are lifetime devices and foreign bodies, and despite all
the advancements in implant technology over the years, there's still
going to be a foreign body reaction of some sort
that occurs over the lifetime of that patient. We're still
using formulaic shaped breast prost species to treat diverse needs
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with respect to size and shape. And that's even within
the same patient who may be asymmetric with respect to
size and shape. So it's kind of a one size
fits all approach that doesn't really work for a lot
of patients even within their own bodies. Then correcting any
minor asymmetries or issues that occur require a full surgery,
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usually with a lot of internal construction, So that's not
really the most optimal option for patients. If we look
at liposuction, especially with fat grafting, it's a great idea
and concept, but inherently the biology of moving a living
fat cell out of its home and to another is
highly unpredictable. It relies on a lot of other factors
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to get decent survival of that fact which then in
turn creates asymmetries and unpredictability. And on top of that,
like we spoke about, and especially in my patient's population
here in Florida, a lot of our patients don't have
enough of their own fat, making all of this a
little bit of a moot point with respect to fat crafting,
and we're seeing more of that with patients losing weight
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rapidly on the peptides and glps, and that long.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Term perspective that you just outline actually really matters because
patients don't just live with results for six months, I
mean they live with them for years, right, which brings
me to the next question, Doctor Anna, we're seeing a
noticeable shift in what women want right like. According to
the McKenzie's twenty twenty five Future Wellness Report, personalization and
minimally invasive solutions are among the fastest growing segments in aesthetics.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So why are women Why are more.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Women prioritizing proportion and balance and flexibility over that dramatic
or permanent structural change.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Do you think?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
I think it has to do with a lot of
different things. For some women, it's about their active lifestyle.
For some women, it's about their fashion. For others, it's
about not wanting a departure from what is their own anatomy,
but more so subtle changes and restoring maybe what was
lost during times like breastfeeding and pregnancy. And so I
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think in a lot of ways, the esthetic world is
shifting into more of an undetectable, natural, quiet luxury.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I like that quiet luxury.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, that really speaks to modern agency. It's not about transformation,
it's about alignment. So doctor Acash the clinically, when evaluating
these new technologies in body conjuring, what do you look
for to determine whether a solution truly addresses a structural
concern rather than simply disguising it.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, I think that's really important. I'm a scientist at
my core, and you really have to think of the
biophysics of these solutions, especially when thinking about things like
ALOCAI compared to existing technologies for improving contour in general
and plastic surgery. We one of the guiging principles we
have is replacing like with like, and most contour issues
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that patients have are related to alterations in that fat layer.
So replacing it with something like an added post matrix,
which is a fat matrix that's created from and therefore
will mimic that will provide the best like with like solution.
And that's why a lot of filler technologies that have
been touted to biosimulate or improve contour, especially in the
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breast or gluteal regions, they don't have the right structure
in biophysical components to create proper volumeization in those areas. Then,
not only that different areas of the body require handling
different forces to improve contour regularities. There So, treatments that
have been specifically engineered towards fatial applications, which is most
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fillers and existing at a post matrixes, they will fall
short in the breast and body when exposed to the
forces and the muscles and the fascia that you need
to create an improvement in that contra regular.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
This is truly its own category now, Doctor Anna, as
we approach International Women's Day, conversations around autonomy and informed choice.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Our front and center.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
How does having options beyond implants change the emotional dynamic
of a consultation, especially for women who want correction without
committing to surgery.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Well, I think we've come a long way in terms
of our agency, and I do think with advancements in
implant technology and having more biocompatible implants, a lot of
women are choosing to combine breast implant surgeries with tools
like all of Clay, and I certainly work with a
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lot of women who this actually makes implants a better
option for them because they can choose to have their
implants placed over the muscle. When combined with Alclay versus
without we're committed to more invasive procedures. So I think
in a lot of ways, just in aesthetics in general,
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the more choice we have for our patients, the more
we can find the right options that align with what
resonates with their esthetic goals.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And that's incredibly empowering, right when you give women choices
instead of you know, ultimatums or draw the line in
the sand. In terms of product availability, this is definitely
a home run. They've solved a huge problem in the
marketplace now, doctor Shanda Waka. So alloclay uses this proprietary
adipose matrix that you spoke about and is really positioned
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as a non surgical body conjuring option right in the marketplace.
But from a structural standpoint, how does this expand what's
really possible for patients who previously felt that they had
like really limited solutions.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, that's the really cool part about this technology. With aloclay,
we aren't just filling a hole that was old technology.
We're building living architecture with aloclay. Structurally, the matrix is
really made up of two things. It's the extracellular matrix,
which is kind of like the foundation of the house,
and then the empty house where those fat cells lived.
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When we place this matrix, the patient's own body will
populate that foundation in those houses, so their own cells
move into these empty houses, and also new fat cells
get generated. After about six weeks, that matrix dissolves and
what remains is the patient's own living fat positioned in
the right place, so we have no long term foreign
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body with aloclay. It's just really a vehicle to create
living structure. This is really the bones of true tissue
engineering as it has been positioned for many years, and
that allows us to direct a patient's own fat into
specific anatomies without using surgery. So this is, you know,
really revolutionary tech technology because we don't really have anything
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like this out there, but this has been the dream
of tissue engineering for many years.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well said well doctor Cash, Doctor Anna, do you is
there anything else you want to add to the conversation?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I think this is great. All right, Well there you go.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Such an important conversation, especially as we head into International
Women's Day, because this isn't about more, it's about better options.
Thank you to doctor Anna Steve. You can learn more
at nine Steen Plastic Surgery dot com and you can
follow her directly on the.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Gram at Anna K.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Steve, MD.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
And thank you to doctor Cash Shanda Wrakarb.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You could visit Mirror Plasticsurgery dot com and follow them
on the gram that Mirror Plastic Surgery and that doctor A.
Cash plastic surgery. Today's Sculpting the Future series was brought
to you by Aliklay and Tiger Esthetics. To learn more,
you can visit alloclade dot com. I'm Zen, Sam's We'll
be very back after this.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
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Welcome back beautiful tri State Area in New York City
and beyond your listening to a moment of Zen right
here on seven to ten WR the voice of New
york iHeartRadio. I'm your host, Zen Sam's Welcome back to
the Hydration with Heart segment, brought to you by Once
Upon a Coconut, a brand rooted in real hydration, clean ingredients,
and the belief that what we put into our bodies
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matters just as much as what we pour into our
minds and our hearts and today's conversation. While of course
it's about in because here's what the research does tell us.
According to the American Psychological Association, there's over sixty percent
of gen Zers that report chronic stress and anxiety driven
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by uncertainty, pressure, identity exploration, and a world that never
seems to slow down. Yet at the same time, studies
from Pew Research Centers show Gen Z is less religious,
but more spiritual and curious than any generation before them.
Spiritual curiosity is at its peak. So what does that
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belief look like? Now, Well, it's not so much about religion.
It's not about rules, but it's about alignment. It's about
intention and trust. It's that personal connection to something greater,
however you want to define it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Joining me are two.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Voices shaping what belief looks like in real time. First,
we have our recurring contributor, Gabe Einhorn. He's the twenty
three year old entrepreneur founder of Praise, a modern faith
based clothing and media brand built to spread below in
an inclusive, accessible way. And alongside him we have Max Cohen,
known to many as Murray Hillboy, a dynamic creator with
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over five hundred thousand followers across platforms and counting. He
uses humor, storytelling, and cultural identity to spread Jewish joy,
advocate for LGBTQ visibility, and bridge generational gaps, all while
reminding people that kindness and authenticity do, in fact matter.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Welcome to the show, Superstars, Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Thank you all right, Gabe, welcome back. Max, so glad
to have you. So I'm going to start with you, Gabe.
All right, you're twenty three, right, and you're already balancing entrepreneurship, finance,
tech and really purpose driven branding is what I call it.
That's a lot of pressure at a young age, especially
in a culture that glorifies hustle but rarely talks about grounding.
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So before belief or prayer even enter the conversation, what
drives you personally? You gabe inside to build an create
and take risks at this stage of.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Your life for sure.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Yeah, it's a mix of family and God. I believe
that belief in God is really everything. When you have
a belief in God, there's no fear of anything that's
stopping you. I only fear man. I don't fear man,
I only fear God. And on top of that, I
parents that raised me to not be afraid of anything,
to chase my dreams and trust in them that I
could do anything and if I put my mind to it.
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So I'm okay with failing. I'm okay with making mistakes,
and I know that I got to take risks now
because later on I'll regret it if I play it safe.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
So I love that you're using your environment and your
family to really fuel you.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
That's amazing, which brings me to max. I mean, your
content is funny.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I took the entire night stalking you last night, college life, dating,
growing up Jewish, but there's also heart underneath the humor.
But at least I was able to connect with you
on that level. So when did you realize comedy wasn't
just like entertainment for you, but actually a way to
connect people and create something meaningful for sure.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
I mean when I was first getting started, it was
just about making myself laugh, making my friends laugh. But
I think that comedy is a universal language that people
can relate to, whether they've had my lived experiences or not.
And seeing the way that it was able to connect people,
I was like, why don't I use this platform for
more than just comedy?
Speaker 9 (31:19):
Right?
Speaker 10 (31:19):
Maybe we can all learn something about each other, and
maybe I can change people's views on how they would
see me as a Jewish and gay man. Maybe not,
but you know, let's try and see what people respond
to it. And I've been very lucky that people have
responded really positively to my authenticity and however I choose
to share it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh yeah, they really have, And that what you said
is powerful because laughter actually lowers everybody's stress hormones and
increases that social bondings.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Now, gay, let's talk belief, but not religion.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Right, So, according to the research, there's like seventy percent
of gen Zers that believe in higher power, even if
they reject traditional labels. Right, So, how do you personally
define prayer or spirituality and how do does it show
up when you're making big decisions or facing uncertainty for sure.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah. I mean for me, prayers it's just talking. It's
a conversation. It could be with a God, a higher power,
or whatever you believe, but it's recognizing that there's something
greater than you being able to talk have conversations with
God or whatever you believe in. And it's not only
just for asking stuff, but it's also for thinking stuff,
showing gratitude. I wake up every morning, I thank God.
I try to thank God throughout the day and talk
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to God. And then when things get uncertain and difficult,
that's like when prayer comes the most, because that's when
you think of talking to God. Is when things are
complicated and you need help, so you'll ask God for help.
So that's when you kind of give it up to
God or whatever higher power you believe in. I'm and
just trust that everything will work out.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
And that distinction is so important because it's prayer as intention,
not instruction. Now, that's your platform bridges generations and identities,
often in.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Unexpected ways.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Okay, So have you ever had a moment on or
off camera where something aligned so clearly that you thought, Okay,
the universe is definitely listening right now.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Yeah, you know, I wasn't always making videos online for
a living. I did have an original career path of
thinking I was going to be a lawyer and go
to law school. And I was working as a paralegal
at a very large law firm and I was super
unsatisfied with my time there. But I kind of felt
trapped because there were so many expectations on me to
continue this path forward. And my manager on my team
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was like, I need one of you to go work
for our clients for a couple of months instead of
working here. And I was like, this is my chance.
If I don't take it now, it's going to pass
me by. And what was great about that job that
I ended up taking working for a client is the
workday was structured very differently and it gave me so
much free time outside of work to pursue my other interests.
And that was actually when I got started creating videos,
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which would have never been afforded to me had I
not taken that chance.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Perfect alignment, yep, And those moments stay with us, right,
the meaning making experiences when life clicks into place and
reinforces direction. I mean, there're often the moments people reference
during periods of growth or transition. Now, Gabe, entrepreneurship can
be I guess isolating in many ways, especially when you're
building something purpose driven.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Was there a defining moment where you felt.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Supported by something bigger than yourself? I mean, even if
the outcome wasn't what you originally planned for sure?
Speaker 9 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean they say it's lonely at the top,
and I feel that sometimes. I was actually going through
a tough time this summer, just trying to figure out
what I was doing with my career. I decided to
go back to Israel. Actually, I feel like it's the
holiest place in the world. I was looking for clarity
and was able to reconnect with God in my purpose
and from there figured out what I wanted to do
with my career, had some good ideas, let some problems
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go away, and I realized that you know, when you
look back at things, even like the worst situations in
the moment, it sucks, but then you look back and
you realize that everything ends up always working out and
really everything's part of God's plan.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So oh, I mean, well said everything is part of
God's plan, and that surrender piece is huge because it
shows that people who practice trust not control, right, we
recover faster from setbacks and experience that greater emotional stability.
And that's kind of resilience in action because it really
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causes you to pause and reflect. Max you openly represent
both the Jewish and the LGBTQ communities online and that
takes courage in a digital world that can be unforgiving.
So how do you stay grounded in who you are
when outside voices and algorithms or expectations or ecosystems try
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to define you.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Listen, I'd be lying if I said that I was
able to ignore all of it. I think part of
putting yourself online is you're getting hundreds of thousands of
opinions every day. But I try to strain through it
and pick out the positive. You know, really look at
myself when the constructive criticism comes in, and for the
blade and anti semitism or homophobia, I just let that
go because I can't put my energy towards things that
don't serve me. But I try my best to be
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an open air. You know, if people are interacting with
your content, that's a great thing. So giving them the
respective hearing what they have to say is important to me.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Well, there you go. I love it wise words spoken
by Murray Hill Boy. Thank you, I love it well,
the two of you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
This conversation is such a reminder that belief I always
say doesn't have to look one wag, It's just it
just has to feel true to you. You both reinforced
that today, and thank you for being open, honest, and
transparent and of course that inner hydration trust alignment intention
is just as vital as physical hydration. So Max, thank
you so much for coming on to headquarters today. Gabe,
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thanks again for bringing inspiring guests.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Thank you for today's guests. You can check them out
directly on Instagram. You can go to Max Cohen's Instagram
page at Murray Hill Boy and on TikTok. And Gabe
you can check them out directly at gopraise dot com
and also Gabe is directly on Instagram at Praise Studio.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
We'll be right back after this.
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Speaker 3 (37:35):
Welcome Back to the Heart of Influence series brought to
you by Diamond Lake and its subsidiaries. Today's episode is
titled The Business of Belief. How broken systems are forcing
leaders and artists to rebuild ownership, trust and influence from
the ground up. My guests today sit on opposite ends
of the traditional spectrum, yet are building toward the same future.
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I'm joined by my co contributor, Brian Jaysposito, globally ranked CEO,
founder of Esposito Intellectual Enterprises and the visionary leader behind
Diamond Lake's extraordinary transformation, overseeing ventures across more than twenty
five industries.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Worldwide.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I'm joined by Adam mckinnis, known as the soul Shaker,
lead singer and co creator of Sons of Legion, one
of the most successful independent bands in the world, and
the founder of JR And why a creator owned platform,
redefining how artists protect their voice, their audience, and their future.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And what connects these two isn't coincidence.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's belief, belief in ownership, belief in alignment, and belief
that when the right people come together, light attracts light for.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
The betterment of humanity. Let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Welcome to the show, Superstars.
Speaker 12 (38:42):
Great to be here, Zed, thanks for having us.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
All right, Brian, so nice to have you back, Adam.
Pleasure that you're joining us today. I'm going to start
with you, Brian. So, we're seeing this massive trust breakdown
in the marketplace, and Harvard Business Review reports that companies
with low and and external trust experience higher volatility, weaker
brand loyalty, and slower recovery during the downturns. Yet many
(39:08):
leaders still focus on optics instead of fundamentals. So what
do you see as the biggest trust failure in today's marketplace?
And what are the leaders fundamentally getting wrong about how
trust is actually rebuilt.
Speaker 12 (39:20):
So many ways to answer that question, but I think
at the end of the day, it always falls back
to really harsh demand on profitability.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Right.
Speaker 12 (39:27):
A lot of these companies that are forced by investors,
different board members, different personalities, different stakeholders. Even if the creator,
the founder, the CEO wants to do things a certain way,
they're so pushed and manipulated and driven to make sure
that no, you can't do that. There's no money in
doing it the good way. There's no engagement doing it
the good way. That's why it's so important with people
like Adam and Journey. It's staying completely controlled in private.
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There's no outside influence, it can't be affected. So to me,
that's one of the biggest drivers. Outside of that, it's
also the slot machine effect of humanity. People are always monetizing.
How do you get someone's reaction? So the best way
in the history is to get someone's reaction. Is always shocked,
even the news when you're looking at legacy history on
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monetization and using engagement tactics that really harm humanity, bring
down the frequency of humanity. It's hard to change that
and when someone tries to change that or change that narrative,
the usually labeled crazy. Right, they usually try to put
a stigma on them. You can't do that, and then
then then it's hard for the new person they get
the trust of a community because all these other media
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outlets are pointing at them saying that that's ridiculous. Don't
listen to that guy or girl.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, that's such an important distinction what you just said,
because trust isn't rebuilt through messaging, it's rebuilt through structure
and behavior, and that really changes everything. Now, Adam, the
music industry is a perfect example of broken systems.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Okay, well we know this. Studies show that the.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Vast majority of artists signed to labels never recoup. Yet
independent artists like Sons of Legion have proven that direct
to fan models can fact that perform the traditional gatekeepers
when done right. Okay, So, as one of the most
successful independent artists right now in the world, what is
the biggest lie creatives are still being told and what
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does sustainable independence actually require.
Speaker 13 (41:15):
Most artists believe that they have to get an executive
to be on their side, or an executive has to
validate them, so they're worried about one or group of
people who are at a record company or a publishing
company or a management company to give them validation instead
of going directly to fans. And that's the big misconception.
It's the perspective shift of you don't need a few
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executives to tell you you're good if there's a thousand
fans in front of you telling you you're good. And
so as long as that perspective shifts, especially in a
time right now with social media where anyone can put
out music at fee time, they don't have to go
through a system, they don't have to wait for song's approval,
I think it's just important for artists to actually go
back to how music used to be, where you would
perform in front of people and they would tell you
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if the song was good or not, rather than just
hope someone finds you and discovers you. When you remove
that idea of being discovered and going to I already
am here, that's a different shift a perspective.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
I like that perspective. That's powerful.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And also, independence isn't about doing everything alone. It's about
owning the relationship and having that connection with the fans.
And you've done that so brilliantly without having to force
the needle too much. And now this pivots very nicely
into my next question for you, Brian. Capital is often
deployed without alignment, and we see that, we see the
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fallout everywhere.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
We know from statistics.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
If you look at the McKinsey reports, they've shown that
misaligned investments erode long term enterprise value even when short
term returns look strong. Right, So what problem do you
see with how capital is typically deployed today and how
does that alignment that we're talking about completely change outcomes
when backing creators like Adam in Sons of Legion, innovators
(42:57):
or the unconventional vision.
Speaker 12 (43:01):
Again, different ways to answer that, depending upon the corporation or
the independent company. If people don't like to rock the boat,
they just want to keep the systems moving. So there's
that going on, and then there's there's also influence from
what's happening in the world. People try to jump on
a trend to allocate capital and expect some sort of
(43:21):
return on that, but it doesn't work like that. There's
always needs to be a long term play and foundation.
If you're before the trend because you spotted it or
because you know, again the great things that Journey and
Autum are doing. If you can identify a movement happening
somewhere through things like AI and all this data collection
points and prepare yourself for that movement, and when it
starts to happen, you can allocate capital into that movement
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and actually see some trajectory and some increase in whatever
the return is, whatever you're call to action is. But
trying to throw capital at to something in the midst
of a movement, it's just a waste of time. It's
a waste of money. The messaging does isn't clear because
it's not consistent with prior marketing, So there's a lot
of different pieces going. There really needs to be a
well thought out plan on any capital positioning in the market,
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and the things that we do, we're very like a
brain surgeon on them. Where do we allocate capital, how
is it used, what's the return on it? And for me,
it's because I made every mistake you could think of
over the last two decades. So when you get a
little bit older and wiser, you know, the most valuable
thing in my life is I know what not to do,
so that I can't even put a price tag on that.
So when you start to see things happening, you know
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where to put resources. I think Adam speaks violently for
this as well. His success and what he's done is
also his life lessons and experience. And when you start
to put all these things together and the market lines
up with that, you can just create magic and you
don't even need to spend a lot of money. If
the messaging is good, the content's good, it's genuine. It
connects with your audience. Whether you're selling a piece of IP,
(44:48):
a service, a product doesn't matter if the messaging is
genuine and the audience can feel it being genuine. My
entire history is get one customer or get one fan,
get one listener, and then that turn into two, then
that turns four, then that turns to eight, and that
turns to sixteen. The multiplier can move as long as
there's a connection between you and that community that you're building.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
And that reframes capital as a responsibility, not just leverage.
And that's a conversation. In fact, more leaders need to
hear and more artists alike. Now, Adam creators today are
burned out. Platforms monetize their audiences control their reach and
can change the rules really overnight, and that instability is
pushing artists to rethink everything. So what specific problem does
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JR and Why solve for the independent artists and creators
And why is ownership the missing piece in the creator economy?
Speaker 13 (45:38):
Yeah, So the company is called Journey Sharing Technologies, and
the reason why it's called that for a few reasons.
We'll keep one that's the best for musicians to know
is that it follows the journey of the fan or
the person who's coming to be introduced to your product
or music or your content. But for the first time
there's a through line. And what I mean by that
is if you look at let's take Spotify for example, Well,
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Spotify tells you you have super fans, they don't tell
you who they are. Or if you go to YouTube,
you can watch videos, but you can't inbox the artist.
So there's all these different sort of small nuances of
each platform that actually almost create a barrier between you
and the fan or the or the people or list
get for content. And even when it comes down to
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the algorithm, if you put out a post right now
we have two million plus people on our Facebook page,
if I put out a post, it only shows that
posts at three to ten percent of people, depending on
the time of day, which means they're choosing who gets
to see this, even though the fans have signed up
to see it, and so it's almost like there's this
distortion on both sides, right, So a journey does it
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allows everyone to get every post. It allows everyone to
see everything you're doing. But more importantly, it allows you
as the creator to also see what they're doing. So
you get to understand what are your top songs, how
much we had to listen time, how much was the
wash time of your top videos? Did people go from
your or video and then go over to buy merch
and if so, what was the song that inspired them
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to go buy more merch. It's able to predict behavior
because for the first time, showing you what all of
the sites are doing separately and putting it into one vertical.
And so with that one vertical, with a very powerful
system that we built with AI, we're able to understand
behavior at a molecular level, which allows you as the
artist to not have to and I'll be honest with this,
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sell yourself for something that you really don't want to do.
Back to Brian's point, just to create shock. So we're
creating something that has I think, more of a connection
for fans and for the creators.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
You are one hundred percent right, And that's the shift
right there, from rented audiences to owned ecosystems.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Right, that's what.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
You're doing exactly, So, Brian, most partnerships fail not because
of bad intentions, but because they're transactional instead of intentional.
We talk about this all the time, and Deloitte reports
that value driven partnerships outperform purely financial aligned is over time,
It's always the case. So how do you identify those
partnerships that are worth scaling not just financially but ethically
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and culturally. And why does the idea of you say
this all the time, light attracting light actually matter in leadership?
Speaker 12 (48:13):
Oh, that completely matters. I have to reference my mom
because she will say partners are for dancing, and I
agree with her for most of my career. But then
you find someone like Adam and you can create a real,
true partnership. The thing about Adam and I, and you
can interrupt me, I don't want to speak for you,
but what I love about this guy is many things
but we're not motivated by money or things and materialistic things.
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So when that is off the table, there's really nothing
that can give them the way of that partnership.
Speaker 8 (48:42):
Right.
Speaker 12 (48:42):
The only thing that could happen is, you know, a
spouse or significant other family member could come in with
some other something to maybe affect me, to maybe effect
at them. But if you put that aside, when you
have personalities that just want to do good and they
want to make an impact, they want to help people,
they want to create opportunity for people, they want to
show a better way again, you move mountains with that
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type of partnership. That's why I always look at things
like integrity, morals, and values, and that's key. But then
over the last few years, I think empathy for me
went to the top of the list. I need to
see somebody that feels a person's pain or humanity's pain.
I need to see that because if you don't have
that in you, then you don't care about people. We all,
(49:24):
I think we're all put on this planet to help
on another. So if I can align with partnerships like that,
whatever the business, whatever we're creating, I know we can
overcome any issue and maybe conflict that we may have
on our different styles of management and whatever our motivators are,
But at the end of the day, our goal is
the same. We want to help people.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
This is a notch made in heaven.
Speaker 14 (49:47):
Independent artists today are no longer just musicians, right, They're
entrepreneurs like yourself, and community builders and cultural leaders navigating
systems that weren't designed for them.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
So when our it is and creators, here's your story,
what's the one thing you hope they learn? And why
do you believe Conversations like this need to be shared
to change how creatives think about their future.
Speaker 13 (50:10):
My only hope for artists in general, of people who
are creating something is to truly find their soul's mission.
And I don't mean that in any way other than
exactly what I'm saying. It's not like a metaphorical statement
of talking about find your soul's mission, stay true to it,
remove all things that are distorting from it, anything that
pulls you back or away from it.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Remove them.
Speaker 13 (50:32):
And if you're doing something that's valuable, that you feel
has value and someone else says, hey, I feel the
sense value, that's the currency you need and that's all
you have to work with. That's the resonance that you
need to follow, and you don't need to chase anyone
else because the beauty of this is that everyone is unique.
I'm not going to be you, You're not going to
be me. But if you can find that thing that
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makes you truly special and then grow that and give
that to others, I think that's a beauty. You can
live in life and from that and you'll find a
life that's well deserved to live.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And that's exactly why this conversation matters, because it gives
people permission to rethink what's possible.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
And like you said, it's connecting with the creator.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's allowing the universe to allow you to be aligned.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
But that doesn't happen for everybody. At the same time,
that's really a moment that is earned. It's not just given.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
The universe rewards rewards intent, the universe rewards consistency, and
the universe rewards hard work. So it's about finding that
alignment right those ecosystems. But I'm glad that it's brought
us to this conversation, and I think humanity is waking up.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
I really do all right.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
To learn more, you can visit Diamondlake dot com and
Eie dot Rocks, and you can follow Brian on the
Gram at Brian Underscore, j underscorees Bosito. And to explore
Adam's work, you can go to Sons of Legion dot
com and follow them on Instagram at Sons of Legion.
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