November 28, 2025 • 11 mins
Dominique brings in a new song by rapper Fatmowf called 'Copycat," as an epilogue to last week's B.B. King episode, where we asked questions about the legacy of the blues in modern music.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to at First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Dominique, and today on the show, we're talking about
the song we were almost convinced was no longer on
the internet.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, copycat by that mouth mouth and yeah it's I
found it on Instagram. It is I It is my
favorite slash only way of finding like a really truly
independent artist, and I very much like to highlight artists
(00:50):
like that on this show.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, that's definitely a goal of what we're doing here.
So let's play a little bit of copycat so people
know where we're working off of.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, they say comparisons that beef for Joy, they've already
begun ready twining with my debut album. But did you
have fun?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And just to answer that, whtor go, Hell yeah I did.
My shit is gasoline as fuck?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I noticed as shit. So this is gonna be the
mini episode that comes out after our Baby King.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Episode, which we just recorded.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And I think it is a very relevant epilogue to
that episode because I think that this vibe is totally
the blues of today. It's like young people who are
going through stuff. They're bummed, but they're sampling. You know,
(01:47):
he's sampling who knows what, Like, I don't know how
he made the beat. I assume he made the beat.
It seems to me this is of artists. That is
it's so low operation. It's not it's it's like I
made this beat and I'm wrapping over and I'm I'm
(02:08):
an autour.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean, we're talking about under a thousand views for
the song on YouTube, which was almost unsearchable.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It was Andrews hating a little bit. He wants you
to get get your what is it ceo up? Yeah,
and you know he's one to talk considering his band
is very easy to google, and it's never.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Just try googling it right now that does not come up.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, because it's a number and it's a great number.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
But if I put band after it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
See.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But we had to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
That's normal. I even spelled actually one hundred incorrectly, Hudner.
It is what I wrote. Yes, So if you spell
it all correctly, you put band after it, you got us.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. But if you google my name in comedy, you
know you're gonna find a bunch of random stuff which
needs to disappear from this earth. I'm pretty sure I
don't even know the login, but let's focus. I I
just actually thought this was a good song. I yeah,
(03:18):
that's great to hear. I was trying to find music
that I thought you would like. I think I really
like the beat. It's groovy and pretty, and I like
the song is very like focused, you know, like I
think the thesis is the name copycat he's kind of
(03:38):
talking about. I think he's kind of talking about how
you know, which is typical rap hip hop topic of
like I'm the best, but it's also referencing other people,
other like current artists, Tyler the creator right, like yes,
but he's kind of he's punching. I think he's punching
(03:59):
every actually, because he's like, you're biting. I feel like
he's talking to the us, the audience. He's like, you're
biting Tyler and he sucks, which.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't disagree with. I'll say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I mean he's a very controversial figure that we haven't
talked about on this show much. But I I thought
this had a a sad and soulful vibe to it
that feels basically more listenable than a lot of like
(04:36):
random indie like pop that comes up on my feed.
It wasn't click baity, it wasn't like TikTok vibes. There's
like basically no hook.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, there's there's no courus.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
There's no hook. It's like a beat that he flows
over and kind of gets into his thoughts on this
idea of copycat and right, that's what we talked about
a lot in the Bbking episode, A copy of a
copy of a copy, And I feel like that's what
he's getting into in this record, and I I just
(05:18):
I feel like that is like, that's what the kids
are doing. That's our version of like our generation's version
of you know, sad boy music of you know, being
of like looking around and being a little disappointed with
what you're seeing and making art about it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't sound like he was written.
It sounds like he just improvised most of at least
line by line and put it together later and just
like didn't look back, which is a very It's I
don't think I could ever make music that way personally,
but I think it's very cool that people do it,
that you can kind of put something together and be
(06:03):
like this is good. I did what I wanted to
do on this, and I'm going to go on to
the next thing.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right, And I'm curious, fat Mouth, if if you are
hearing this, and if you have time out of your
busy schedule to let us know, you know, what was
your process on this, We're very curious. I I agree.
I feel like there's I feel like it was there's
parts of it that were written, and then there's parts
(06:31):
of it that were maybe re uh they kind of
were reconfigured in the moment. Maybe. I also love the irreverence,
like that's so typical of you know, Zoomer. I'm gonna
go ahead and assume this is a Zoomer vibe with
(06:54):
fat Mouth is your name, Like it's all lowercase, it's
so mean, like it's so silly. But then you're actually
taking your music very very seriously and your art very seriously.
I think that's part of where the difficult to searchness
comes from, honestly, is like when you're taking art very
(07:15):
very seriously, especially when you're new or you're younger, you're
not concerned about SEO or any of this. You're like,
let me just post it. I'm like, not even I
don't know what I'm expecting. I want people to see it,
but that's not The mechanics of it are not my
problem right now.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Algorithm take the wheel exactly. Some lady will find it
one day.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Some lady who is looking for the the most obscure artists.
You possibly fine, And yeah you were speaking to me,
fat mouth. I like, I love the honestly the low
register that this song lives in. That's like a big
thing that caught my ear because I think that is
(08:03):
actually so rare in like just hearing that in headphones,
Like it's always this.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Sound. Yeah, there's no like clicky high hand yeah thing
going on. Yeah, there's a line in here. I'm gonna
keep on stabbing at it until I make it mine.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So nice, that is exactly, and I love I love
that it's like the process of an artist. It's so
in here and it's very pure. It's not all record
companied up, and like, I I like to see that
because I think it's it's actually it's something I want
(08:45):
to talk more about, and I think we do get
to on this show. Is talking about this complicated relationship
with the art you're making and the other people who
already are making it, and your listeners and your viewers
and you know your audience. You don't know who your
audience is, and you should I cater to my audience
or should I just make what I want to make?
(09:05):
Is it possible to make my own thing? You know?
And like so, but I'm just going to keep on
stabbing at it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, it's like, ultimately, what are you doing music for?
And the right answer is you're doing it for yourself
because you like to do it. And the nice thing
about stuff like this is that anyone can make a
song like this, and if you are an artist that
(09:35):
doesn't really get all wrapped up in the distribution and
the publicity, like you are still happy that you made
a song, and you still get the sense of satisfaction
that you did what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Right, Because if you were trying to really sell your music,
you wouldn't reference one of the biggest names in.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hip hop of them, all of them.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And in a disparaging way. That's not going to get
you any favors in the Induststaurant on the tour, Yeah, yeah,
you're trying to that. You're trying to break into so
and I and I I love that actually.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And clearly Google's trying to silence him because, like we're saying,
doesn't come up in search very easily.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, well Google, get try again, because I found him.
I found in fat Mouth and I am a fan.
You're getting more listens from me.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Now, tell us how your first listen at First Listen
podcast on Instagram. This was a mini episode and we'll
be back next week with maybe a Christmas episode. Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
That right, Carry, that's right, Casey, she's here.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Oh my god, Maria. All right, we'll give you a studio,
Maria Sea
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Or f
Welcome to at First Listen, the music podcast for people
who don't always get the hype but want to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Dominique, and today on the show, we're talking about
the song we were almost convinced was no longer on
the internet.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, copycat by that mouth mouth and yeah it's I
found it on Instagram. It is I It is my
favorite slash only way of finding like a really truly
independent artist, and I very much like to highlight artists
(00:50):
like that on this show.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, that's definitely a goal of what we're doing here.
So let's play a little bit of copycat so people
know where we're working off of.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, they say comparisons that beef for Joy, they've already
begun ready twining with my debut album. But did you
have fun?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And just to answer that, whtor go, Hell yeah I did.
My shit is gasoline as fuck?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I noticed as shit. So this is gonna be the
mini episode that comes out after our Baby King.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Episode, which we just recorded.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And I think it is a very relevant epilogue to
that episode because I think that this vibe is totally
the blues of today. It's like young people who are
going through stuff. They're bummed, but they're sampling. You know,
(01:47):
he's sampling who knows what, Like, I don't know how
he made the beat. I assume he made the beat.
It seems to me this is of artists. That is
it's so low operation. It's not it's it's like I
made this beat and I'm wrapping over and I'm I'm
(02:08):
an autour.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean, we're talking about under a thousand views for
the song on YouTube, which was almost unsearchable.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It was Andrews hating a little bit. He wants you
to get get your what is it ceo up? Yeah,
and you know he's one to talk considering his band
is very easy to google, and it's never.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Just try googling it right now that does not come up.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, because it's a number and it's a great number.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
But if I put band after it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
See.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But we had to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
That's normal. I even spelled actually one hundred incorrectly, Hudner.
It is what I wrote. Yes, So if you spell
it all correctly, you put band after it, you got us.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. But if you google my name in comedy, you
know you're gonna find a bunch of random stuff which
needs to disappear from this earth. I'm pretty sure I
don't even know the login, but let's focus. I I
just actually thought this was a good song. I yeah,
(03:18):
that's great to hear. I was trying to find music
that I thought you would like. I think I really
like the beat. It's groovy and pretty, and I like
the song is very like focused, you know, like I
think the thesis is the name copycat he's kind of
(03:38):
talking about. I think he's kind of talking about how
you know, which is typical rap hip hop topic of
like I'm the best, but it's also referencing other people,
other like current artists, Tyler the creator right, like yes,
but he's kind of he's punching. I think he's punching
(03:59):
every actually, because he's like, you're biting. I feel like
he's talking to the us, the audience. He's like, you're
biting Tyler and he sucks, which.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't disagree with. I'll say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I mean he's a very controversial figure that we haven't
talked about on this show much. But I I thought
this had a a sad and soulful vibe to it
that feels basically more listenable than a lot of like
(04:36):
random indie like pop that comes up on my feed.
It wasn't click baity, it wasn't like TikTok vibes. There's
like basically no hook.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, there's there's no courus.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
There's no hook. It's like a beat that he flows
over and kind of gets into his thoughts on this
idea of copycat and right, that's what we talked about
a lot in the Bbking episode, A copy of a
copy of a copy, And I feel like that's what
he's getting into in this record, and I I just
(05:18):
I feel like that is like, that's what the kids
are doing. That's our version of like our generation's version
of you know, sad boy music of you know, being
of like looking around and being a little disappointed with
what you're seeing and making art about it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't sound like he was written.
It sounds like he just improvised most of at least
line by line and put it together later and just
like didn't look back, which is a very It's I
don't think I could ever make music that way personally,
but I think it's very cool that people do it,
that you can kind of put something together and be
(06:03):
like this is good. I did what I wanted to
do on this, and I'm going to go on to
the next thing.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right, And I'm curious, fat Mouth, if if you are
hearing this, and if you have time out of your
busy schedule to let us know, you know, what was
your process on this, We're very curious. I I agree.
I feel like there's I feel like it was there's
parts of it that were written, and then there's parts
(06:31):
of it that were maybe re uh they kind of
were reconfigured in the moment. Maybe. I also love the irreverence,
like that's so typical of you know, Zoomer. I'm gonna
go ahead and assume this is a Zoomer vibe with
(06:54):
fat Mouth is your name, Like it's all lowercase, it's
so mean, like it's so silly. But then you're actually
taking your music very very seriously and your art very seriously.
I think that's part of where the difficult to searchness
comes from, honestly, is like when you're taking art very
(07:15):
very seriously, especially when you're new or you're younger, you're
not concerned about SEO or any of this. You're like,
let me just post it. I'm like, not even I
don't know what I'm expecting. I want people to see it,
but that's not The mechanics of it are not my
problem right now.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Algorithm take the wheel exactly. Some lady will find it
one day.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Some lady who is looking for the the most obscure artists.
You possibly fine, And yeah you were speaking to me,
fat mouth. I like, I love the honestly the low
register that this song lives in. That's like a big
thing that caught my ear because I think that is
(08:03):
actually so rare in like just hearing that in headphones,
Like it's always this.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Sound. Yeah, there's no like clicky high hand yeah thing
going on. Yeah, there's a line in here. I'm gonna
keep on stabbing at it until I make it mine.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So nice, that is exactly, and I love I love
that it's like the process of an artist. It's so
in here and it's very pure. It's not all record
companied up, and like, I I like to see that
because I think it's it's actually it's something I want
(08:45):
to talk more about, and I think we do get
to on this show. Is talking about this complicated relationship
with the art you're making and the other people who
already are making it, and your listeners and your viewers
and you know your audience. You don't know who your
audience is, and you should I cater to my audience
or should I just make what I want to make?
(09:05):
Is it possible to make my own thing? You know?
And like so, but I'm just going to keep on
stabbing at it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, it's like, ultimately, what are you doing music for?
And the right answer is you're doing it for yourself
because you like to do it. And the nice thing
about stuff like this is that anyone can make a
song like this, and if you are an artist that
(09:35):
doesn't really get all wrapped up in the distribution and
the publicity, like you are still happy that you made
a song, and you still get the sense of satisfaction
that you did what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Right, Because if you were trying to really sell your music,
you wouldn't reference one of the biggest names in.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Hip hop of them, all of them.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And in a disparaging way. That's not going to get
you any favors in the Induststaurant on the tour, Yeah, yeah,
you're trying to that. You're trying to break into so
and I and I I love that actually.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And clearly Google's trying to silence him because, like we're saying,
doesn't come up in search very easily.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, well Google, get try again, because I found him.
I found in fat Mouth and I am a fan.
You're getting more listens from me.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Now, tell us how your first listen at First Listen
podcast on Instagram. This was a mini episode and we'll
be back next week with maybe a Christmas episode. Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
That right, Carry, that's right, Casey, she's here.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Oh my god, Maria. All right, we'll give you a studio,
Maria Sea
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Or f
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