The Black Perspective: February 8, 2026

This week on The Black Perspective, Esther Dillard sits down with a descendant of Harriet Tubman to discuss her enduring legacy and rightful place in Black history.

Morgyn Wood dives into the official sound of the DMV — Go-Go music — in conversation with activist Ron Moten, Head of the Don’t Mute DC Movement, and owner of the Go-Go Museum & Café.

Andrea Coleman spotlights a powerful new book designed to help listeners reset spiritually at the start of the New Year.

And Doug Davis joins us for an exclusive interview with Marc H. Morial, President and CEO of the National Urban League, as well as a discussion with Shaina Wiel, founder of the Toast to Black Sports Luncheon. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Sunday, February eighth, the second Sunday of Black History
Month and the day of the Big Game. And on
today's show, the Black Information Networks, Ester Dillard talks to
a relative of the great Harriet Tubman about her place
in Black history. Morgan Wood talks about the official sound
of the DMV Go Go music and conversates with the
head of the Don't.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Mute DC movement.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Owner of the Go Go Museum and Cafe, Ron Moten
Andrea Coleman talks about a book to help you reset
spiritually in this new year. We hear from Doug Davis
twice this week as he has an exclusive interview with
the president of the National Urban League, Mark Murrial, and
from the Super Bowl in San Francisco with the Toast
of Black Sports Luncheon founder Shina Wills. These stories are

(00:43):
coming your way. On today's program, Welcome to the Black Perspective.
I'm your host, Mike Island.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Welcome to the Black Perspective, a weekly community affairs program
on the Black Information Network featuring interviews and discussions on
issues important to the Black community.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Good Sunday and Welcome to the Black Perspective. At the
first of the year, many of us look for books
or programs that help us reset spiritually as we look
to engage the new year with a fresh perspective. If
you are one of those people and are looking for
a guide the black information that Worksandrea Coleman has one
you may want to consider, but it is not your

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typical fare. She explains Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
When you think of Prince a late pioneering songwriter, musician
and singer, the one thing you probably don't think of
him being as a gospel artist. Well, through a recently
published book, doctor Pamela Ayo Yatundai is inviting us to
reconsider that aspect of his work. Doctor Yatundei is a
pastoral counselor, writer, researcher, lawyer and teacher. And in her
book Duly Beloved Prince Spirituality in This Thing Called Life,

(01:45):
Doctor Yatunde guides us into the depths of Prince's music
and the underlying spiritual messages hidden in many of his lyrics.
And let me also mention that doctor Yatunde is a
Buddhist monk who loves Jesus. Intriguing right, here's more, say,
doctor Yatundei, thank you again for joining us on the.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Black Information Network.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's such a pleasure and an honor to speak with you.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
In an honor to be with you. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
So please share with our listeners though, all that you
do in the space as a minister of faith and wellness.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
Wow. So I would say that my core work is
around pastoral counseling. So I have a private pastoral counseling
practice that I've had for the last maybe thirteen years
or so, and so everything that I write and speak
about is usually in the area of how to support

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another's psychological and spiritual wellness, and that includes the book
about Prince Well.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
That is so very interesting because dearly beloved Prince spirituality,
this thing called life. For some of us, it seems
like it's such a leap from faith and wellness to
Prince right, who we know as this rock star kind
of you know, pop artist pre No.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
I'm really so tell us a little bit about the
book and it's anger.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
The purpose of the book really is to present a
different side of Prince, or to present the heart of Prince,
the core of Prince's message, which was evangelical Christianity, but
it was obscured for a lot of people by the
expressions of sexuality, sex pleasure, and he used those ways

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of expression as a way of attracting people to the
Christian message. And sometimes he failed at that, sometimes he
succeeded at that. Sometimes he obscured the message. Other times
he was obvious in his message. But I think it's
really important for people to understand that when they're bopping
to a certain print song, that it might actually be

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a Christian song, it might actually be a gospel song.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
That is incredible. How did you identify that? Well?

Speaker 6 (03:52):
I grew up in the United Methodist Church. I went
to church weekly, and the themes that I heard in
church were the themes that I heard in his music,
and so I was prepared to hear it Like in
his song Controversy where he's reciting the Lord's Prayer. That
to me is not just his art, that is his
belief system.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Wow, that is so very deep.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I love the way too, you formatted the book because
it's not just a general read. You guide us through
some of his songs and films and so forth to
delve into his work with you throughout the book.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
What's the aim of that? Where do you hope we will?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Let me add this to I was reading one of
the remarks of someone in the book and they were
saying that it's transformative.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Was that your goal? Are you trying to get us
from our understanding of.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Where we are wherever that may be presently, to a
new way of thinking, a new way of seeing things.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yes? Yes, As a pastoral counselor that's my aim is
to support transformation and everything I write because it's hard
to write, it's hard to get something published. And so
when when those hard times come, I asked myself, what
is the reason for this? Why am I putting myself
through this? It's for the possibility of transformation. And I

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think in the world that we're living in right now,
we can see that we really do need to support
all the ways that we can live up to our
greatest values, our morality, our ethical commitments. And I believe
Prince was prophetic, not just vulgar. He was prophetic, and
I would like for people to see him as such

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and understand his body of work as.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Such that is so powerful.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Give us an example, if you will, like if there's
a song that comes to mind when you think, or
if you were to just be in conversation with someone,
you could say, well, take this for example.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
We're hearing this, but this is what he's meaning.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Okay, well, I'll take the most popular song. That would
be Purple Rain, probably his most popular album and his
most popular film. A lot of people don't know what
is purple rain? Is that the same thing as Jimmy
Hendrix's purple Haze? I mean, what's purple rain? Right? And

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in his song he's saying, you know, at the end,
everybody raised their hands purple rain, purple rain, and people sway,
and we know to do that. But what he's talking about.
I believe what he's singing about is the reign of
God and that purple is the color of royalty, of
princes and kings, those who were devout to God and

(06:32):
for God's reign on earth. And that's what he's really
inviting people into, to accept God's reign on earth.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
That is so powerfully. It's so subtle too.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
I mean, he had millions of us rocking to his
tunes and we didn't know that we were in praise sessions.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Wow, So what glued you in to Prince's spirituality? I mean,
were you listening to a song and I know you
talk about some of this In your book, you tell
how you were at you know, in the company of
people actually in Minnesota at a seminary there and kind.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Of, you know, decided to explore it a little bit.
But what what was the first thought?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
When do you stop and say, Okay, there's something here
that's worth my attention and time.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Yeah. You know, I've been listening to Prince since I
was seventeen, so now at age sixty four, It's hard
to know when that first moment was, but maybe after
the first or second time I heard I would die
for you. Is that not Jesus's central message? Yes, it is.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
So it's like, oh, Prince, what, I'm not your lover,
I'm not your friends. I'm something that you'll never comprehend.
No need to worry, no need to yeah, just yeah,
that's Jesus's central message. And so Prince incorporated that central

(08:00):
message into that song. And I said, that is a
that's a gospel song. And I began to listen to
Prince differently from that moment. So since I was a teenager.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Wow, why is he worthy of this kind of attention?

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Oh my gosh. Okay, well, first of all, I'm not surprised.
Second of all, the songwriting is incredible and mysterious someone
who's written some say, countless songs. The songs are still
being explored, still being pulled out of the vault and

(08:38):
being mixed, remixed, re recorded, and so on. There's no
end to the music as far as I can see.
And so that's one reason why he's worthy of study.
Second is the mystery of the body of work. Third
is the art of the songwriting. How do you obscure
a gospel message covered in sexuality and get away with it?

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How did he get away with so much? Especially after
Purple Rain came out and Darling Nicky was being played
on the radios and the federal government is like, shut
this down, shut him down, we need to warn our
kids about this music. But he persisted. He persisted despite
the contractual disputes that he had with Warner Brothers. I mean,

(09:27):
his brilliance, it's something that is just we can't shake
it even to this day.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Darling NICKI was he saying we're all worthy of love?

Speaker 6 (09:36):
I'm pausing because I don't think he was saying it
in that song, but one could interpret it to say
that even someone who is inclined towards sado masochism is
still worthy of being considered beloved. Even if she's going
to take you down to the dungeon and do nasty
things to you, she still considered darling or darling. Well,

(10:01):
I take his body of work, I would say that
that is the case, no matter who we are, no
matter what we think about ourselves, no matter what other
people think about us, God thinks something different, and that
he kept driving home over and over.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Again, and that should be our take away.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I would imagine from the book, Well, absolutely, absolutely, I
want to switch for a moment and lean into your
pastoral care, your the illusion, and just your spirituality personally
for this moment in time that we're finding ourselves in
America right now, a lot of resistance, a lot of
resurgence of what feels like hate to a lot of

(10:39):
people in different areas of life. I know also that
you are a leader in the Buddhist community, of the
Buddhist faith. What of now can you give us to
kind of help us navigate this moment with wellness? Because
this is the kind of stuff that can shake a
person to their core when you feel rejected in society

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and you can't really find a safe place of being.
How do we navigate that safely?

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, it takes work. It really takes work. When you
appear as a member of a targeted group and so
many people are following it, either by political opinion, or
skin color or accent or who you love, it's very
likely you are a member of a targeted group right now.

(11:29):
And so then how do you navigate these feelings of hate?
And actually, I would say not just feelings of hate,
the messages of hate, the militarization of our cities and
our states. It's hateful. I think one of the things
that we have to do is to know that we
are precious. Each person is unique, never existed before, cannot

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be replicated after we die. Each one of us is
unique and precious. And because we are unique and precious,
we should do everything that we can through love, to
take care of ourselves, to seek safety, to seek shelter,
to understand the reasons why people do that. Why would

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a person walk hundreds of miles from the only home
that they have and have known to carry their children
to a safe place, because that is just within our
being as human beings, for our children to be safe,
well fed, educated and so on, and so we don't

(12:37):
always have the luxury to ask for permission and fill
out the paperwork to protect ourselves from aggressors. So this
is about compassion and empathy. And when people say, because
people are saying that it's not Christian to be empathetic,
it's not Christian to be compassionate, I would say, don't

(12:58):
listen to those Charlatans. That's absurd. The Gospel is available
for all people. That's what Prince was saying. It's available
for all people. Read it for yourself, know it for yourself,
feel it for yourself, and as a consequence, adopt a
liberation theology mindset, which is Jesus was a liberator of

(13:20):
people who were oppressed. When you encounter oppression, think what
you might do to offer a path towards liberation, even
if that path is to say, I'm not going to
be someone who's going to impress another person. When you
make that pledge to yourself, you're making a pledge to

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be liberatory. And that's what I think part of what
we need to do in these times.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yea, and not feel defenseless at least when you said that,
that's what I felt was well, it's almost like you're
stopping and saying, hold on a moment. I'm not going
to lose myself to this moment or to this feeling.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, talk a little bit if you will, because you
represent something that I think is very beautiful and informative
in a way. So very often we hear of Christianity
and we hear of other faiths, and they're distinctly different.
You are blending several. You're speaking of Jesus and yet

(14:17):
you are a Black Buddhist, and you brainforce.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Both with this ease that is so refreshing. Why can't
all exist? And why should all exist?

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Thank you? Thank you. I love that question and that affirmation. Well,
so I grew up in church and the teachings of Jesus,
I mean I love them. Still, there's nothing to not love.
The world view that Jesus offered is one that's expansive
and inclusive. And when I travel the planet, like right now,

(14:53):
it's super tired because I've been flying here, driving there.
But when I go places, I look at how beautiful
this planet is. It's just gorgeous. And there's a lot
of space, a lot of space, space resources, and so
on and so sometimes this abundance that is here for us,

(15:19):
it doesn't seem as if it is for us, in
part because of greed, in part because of the ways
governments are organized, and we organize ourselves to be sort
of like densely populated. But there is room for all
of us right now, lots of space. It's when we

(15:42):
become diluted into thinking that my way is supreme and
yours is inferior that we begin to have problems. It's
when we go back and we say, you know, Christianity
used to look like, let me take you I'm a
Christian settler. Let me take you child out of your family,

(16:04):
out of your Native American indigenous family, strip them from
everything that they are part of, and place them in
a Christian home to make them more human. That's what
a Christianity can look like and has looked like. And
so I would say it's up to us. So I
bring my Buddhism in. I would say it's up to

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us too for our future generations to figure out how
to cultivate and apply compassion, how to cultivate and apply empathy, respect,
respect for rights, respect for the need for nourishment, food, water,
and so on. Because we are able to be and

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see each other as part of one whole family, whole family.
And when we can see each other that way and
adopt each other as kN and we're more likely to
take care of one another rather than destroy each other.
Like this is a very precarious moment that we're in
right now. Luckily, we still have the chance to adopt

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one another is ken and protect one another, which I
think is what we need to do.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
That's a message to truly take to heart and put
into action. Doctor Yatunde is a seasoned writer who has
authored several books. You can find them as well as
Jullie Beloved Prince Spirituality in This Thing Called Life through
most major booksellers. And you can learn more about doctor
Yatundai at Pamela p A m E l A io.
That's a yo you tounday y e t U n

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d E dot com, Mike.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Thank you, Andrea. Most of Black America is in shock
after learning that President Trump posted on truth social and
image of AI generated apes with the faces of former
President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle The photo was
embedded in a video about the twenty twenty election. Doug
Davis spoke with Mark Moore, president of the Urban League,

(18:01):
earlier this week.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
This is such despicable garbage and nineteen fifties style racism.
Just the idea that this comes from the White House
is just beyond belief. I condemn it forcefully. I think
that the President once again is demonstrating why he just
seems to be obsessed with President Obama and obsessed with race.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Moreol says that black American and shouldn't be surprised by this,
and says it's time for all citizens to speak out.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
And people of goodwill must condemn it, must oppose it,
must call it out, which is what I am doing.
And I'm challenging every member of the United States Senate,
every member of the United State House, the United States House,
to condemn this trash.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Top black Republican n MACA loyalist Tim Scott even responded
saying it's the most racist thing he's seen come out
of the White House and call for Trump to remove
the post the White House then follow through. Earlier today
also called for Truying to apologize, but even if he
does follow through, Morial says it will be meaningless.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Because this will happen again. I mean, he sent the
National Guard to Chicago. He's now talking about fraud in
elections in black owned cities. This attack on Black America
is naked, and it's transparent, and it continues, and we
must oppose it with everything that we have needs it.

(19:26):
The policies match it. The cutbacks on medicaid, the cutbacks
on education, the attacks on colleges and university, the attacks
and diversity, equity and inclusion. The policies match the statements.
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Morial also said voters will take this to the polls.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
I think everything that happens from here on out will
have an impact on the midterms. Yes, these things are
going to be in voter's minds. It's accumulation of things.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
The sixty two second video posted on True Social was
aimed at pushing twenty twenty dominion fraud claims, and at
the sixty second mark, BARACKA Mischelle Obama's face popped up
super and pose on AI images.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Of two apes with the music from.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
The line Sleeps Tonight playing in the background. The White
House blames the staffer for the era, with President Trump
taking no accountability for the posts. While you're out about
this week and hey ask a Black Republican his thoughts
on the image and about President Trump.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Thanks Doug and Mark. Who will hear more from Doug
Davis later in today's show. Usually for Black History Month,
we hear about Harriet Tubman, but we have something extra special,
an interview with a direct descendant the Black Information that Works.
Aster Dillard has a talk with a relative who reacts
to when the Trump administration ripped down information about her

(20:43):
Auntie Harriet, as she calls her, and the reaction was
a mix of emotions.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
I notice that within the last fifteen years or so,
the excitement and enthusiasm about Ann Harriet has just overwhelming.

Speaker 9 (20:58):
In this edition of The Color Between the Lines, we're
speaking with someone who holds an extraordinary connection to American history.
I'm joined by Michelle Jones Galvin, a descendant of Harriet Tubman.
Michelle has walked the same streets, visited the same church,
and stood in the same resting place as her ancestor.
And today she's helping us understand what these historic spaces mean,
not only just to the community, but to her family

(21:21):
and to the legacy of Harriet Tubman. This is a rare,
personal and deeply meaningful conversation, and I'm honored to share
it and tell me, how did you did you learn
from the beginning when you were little that you knew
that you were a part of the Harriet Tubman families.

Speaker 10 (21:41):
That I was related to Ann Harriet.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
And my mother is the one that told me, and
so in my little grown mind, I think I.

Speaker 10 (21:51):
Kind of understood what that meant.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
But it really did not become part of my spirit
until I started working with my.

Speaker 10 (22:01):
Mom, who had been researching our.

Speaker 8 (22:04):
Biological ties to Aunt Harriot for years, and when she
was ready to put all of her findings together, I said, oh,
now I'll help you out.

Speaker 10 (22:16):
To actually write and edit.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
And really reveal a story that we believed had never
been toln before about Aunt Harriet because we explained her
and talked about her in the context of our family lineage.
So you get to meet, you know, Aunt Hearriet's mother,
her father, her siblings, her friends, and all the family

(22:43):
members that I think it's just a very interesting story.

Speaker 9 (22:49):
And this wasn't part of my lineup, but I did
want to know since you said that, what did you
find in your research that was unique about her that
was different than most people kind of visualized Harriet Tubman.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
Documentation well and gathered on the periot. What they do
is they get the historical icon part of her right.
And what they really don't do as best as I
think that should do. And what we try to do is.

Speaker 10 (23:20):
To personalize her.

Speaker 8 (23:23):
You know, see her as the daughter and the wife,
and the aunt and the friend that she really was.
You know, relationships were extremely important to her, and family
certainly was important to her, as we see as she
goes back to bring them forward.

Speaker 9 (23:40):
Tell me your relationship to missus Harriet Tubman. Was she
your great great great aunt? Tell me how that connects?

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yes, and it's very long, great great great brand at
our aunt.

Speaker 10 (23:57):
So I'm her great great great grandniece.

Speaker 9 (24:01):
That's fascinating. When you talked about when you started doing
the research and finding, you know, reading about her, I
imagine that she wasn't just one that was very soft
and compliant. She was somebody who was very strong, but
there was a balance there. It sounds like you talked

(24:22):
you found kind of both.

Speaker 10 (24:23):
Can you talk a little bit about that we did
find broken.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
Let me just be clear, this whole journey of finding
Aunt Harriet as part of our family lineage was really
my mother's project. It didn't start with me. It started
with her, I would say in the eighties and she
was charged by a certain gentleman that I won't reveal
his name, and he said to her prove it, and

(24:50):
so she said about proving that she was related to
Harriet Tubman. And so what my mom found is that
there was way more to her and she wanted and
Harriet asked the woman to come through her writing. And
so it is a little bit different. It reads more
like a novel, and you really get to know her personally.

(25:14):
And the one thing I Will really had on her
hurt was that she wanted young people, students to really
have a more personal relationship with on Harriet. So that
is mainly what we tried to do in the book
that we wrote.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
I know the question I wanted to ask you, okay,
was when they when they did remove the information about
your great aunt, your great great great aunt, what.

Speaker 11 (25:42):
Was what was the reaction?

Speaker 9 (25:45):
What was what was it?

Speaker 6 (25:46):
Was it? Anger? Was it sadness?

Speaker 9 (25:48):
What was?

Speaker 10 (25:48):
Oh? It was?

Speaker 8 (25:49):
It was all of it in one the very first
thing when we heard about it. I think I may
have mentioned I also served on the advisory Council with
the National Park Service in Auburn, and all of our
members happily about thirty of us on that advisor Clamoras,
and we just got on the internet and we were.

Speaker 10 (26:11):
Talking to each other and we were outraged and how
dare they and what is he doing? And that she
would be the first, pretty much the first historic icon.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
To be erased. And it wasn't just Auburn, it was
around the country. And they were bombarded so much with
this outrage and anger they told them to put her back.
So she's fully backman on the National Park Service. But

(26:44):
if you can imagine, not only as a descendant, so
many people around the country and around the world have
been inspired by her and to have that kind of
reaction of Eiracire was just outrageous. And so they did
go to back and she's there again and we're very

(27:07):
happy about that.

Speaker 9 (27:09):
Please say the name of the book and where can
people find this book?

Speaker 8 (27:13):
Okay, this book is just a wonderful book. If I
may say say some of myself. The title is Beyond
the Underground. I'm Harriet Moses of her people and they
can be found through our website. I'm the distributor and
The website is www. Moses of Your People dot com

(27:35):
are one word Moses of Your People dot com and
the book can be purchased there.

Speaker 9 (27:42):
What do you I know, you've probably seen all the
visitors coming from all over the country to visit these
historic sites. What does it mean for you to see
these people, see your your relative? What is it like
to see that kind of enthusiasm and people just really
wondering about it? What do you I hope that they
get when they visit that area.

Speaker 8 (28:03):
More information about her, because most people really don't know
that she lived a very stuburdy life and you know,
it's not the usual, and particularly because she was a
woman and a black woman having these kinds of accomplishments.
But I wish they walk away with a better sense

(28:26):
of what she actually did. Most people say, oh, yes,
the lady that freed the slaves, and you're saying yes.
But when you go to the visiting center and you
hear rev and Carter talk about all that she did,
all that she went through over her entire life, I

(28:47):
think people come away wold, they are in awe of
all that she all five of her she was only
about five feet tall. Most people think she was much larger.
It's about five feet talk and she had toplished all
of these things. And I just hope they walk away

(29:09):
with a fuller sense of who she was and what
she did. And I think that Redwald harder and it
absolutely does it. He makes sure when they're walking out
of it, they're saying wow, so much wow, that they're
running over and getting all of them, you know, the
melentkos and the little pamphlets and T shirts, and they're

(29:31):
really impressed with what they hear about her.

Speaker 9 (29:35):
I from my understanding, the military honored her in a
special way. Can you talk about that?

Speaker 10 (29:41):
Yes, I can, because I was there.

Speaker 11 (29:44):
Well, we're going to leave it right there.

Speaker 9 (29:45):
If you'd like to hear the rest of that conversation
with Michelle Jones Galvin descendant of Harriet Tubman, head over
to the Color Between the Lines podcasts on YouTube, iHeartRadio,
or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Ester Dillard.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Esther music has always played a powerful role in Black communities,
shaping culture, fueling movements, and giving people a voice. In Washington, DC,
that sound is go Go, and for today's black perspective,
the black information that works. Morgan Wood takes us inside
the movement and the music driving change in the district.

Speaker 12 (30:20):
Here in the real Washington, DC, beyond the politics. That
voice lives through Go Go Music. I sat down with
cultural leader and community organizer Ronald Moten at the Go
Go Museum to talk about how music has always been
the voice of the people and why it still matters today.

Speaker 13 (30:38):
What has been used for out history to make us happy.
It has been used to fight in revolutions, has been
used to tell our stories, and it's been a part
of our history and our culture throughout the beginning of time.
So we use that same voice to in that same
superpower and that same beat, the heartbeat that goes through

(30:59):
our bodies, to educate our people, to fight for our people,
to love our people, to make us happy, and we
be been using it uh for movements. My first impowerful
situation with this was and UH during the Million Maai March.
I was a youth organizer for the Million Man March,
and as a youth organizer, I'll never forget when it

(31:20):
first started, people were saying that two a million people
wouldn't come out, and two million people came out, and
they were saying because we all couldn't come together and
I would never forget the day.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
That the Milliamare March happened.

Speaker 13 (31:36):
You know, I has by people like Kwame ter Raise Stokely,
Komichael Winning Mendela as a youth organizer, and on that
day I would never forget when we were outside about
six in the morning and the skies were cloudy and
it was supposed to rain and uh they did a
livation with the drum and called on our ancestors and

(31:56):
the skies opened up. So that was my first time
to see something from the beginning to the end, and
music was very impactful in it to see how impactful
and how much power we had and that nobody could
ever tell me what we couldn't do. And therefore after that,
I've always been a community organized. I've always been somebody

(32:17):
who used our music and our culture to galvanize our people,
to tell our stories, to fight back. And the superpower
that go go is to us. We don't have to
go get jay Z. We can go get ordinary people
who love our culture, our music and use the power
that we have as one to address our issues.

Speaker 12 (32:38):
I asked Mo what inspired him to be involved, and
he talked about how activism runs in his blood from
his family's legacy to today's movements and why rallying people
through culture feels natural to him.

Speaker 13 (32:51):
I mean, Malcolm x Is, my cousin, had a Virginia
was a very well known civil rights leader in Washington's
He wore seven who they were supposed to name street
after who they never did. Lawnce Motor was my cousin,
first cousin, star basketball player, leading score circuit. So I
feel like in my genes, I was born to be

(33:15):
a fighter.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I was born to be a leader.

Speaker 13 (33:17):
And I just like these things are organic. You can't
make it up, you have to diet. It has to
happen from the heart, the soul, and from our creator.
And I think everybody who learns how to live great
in their own world, their own universe, right, and not
be in a world where they're making things up or
just doing things to be cool, but they doing and

(33:39):
serving their purpose, then you find your way. And that's
what I've chosen to do. The only thing about it.
Sometimes helping your people can be painful. Sometimes helping your
people because we've been taught to eat each other up right,
because a lot of us are fighting over the same crumbs, right,
and even though you might not be getting anything because

(33:59):
you stand up because your greatness, a lot of times
you become a target by your own people. So that's
been the most impactful thing. If you study history, it
happens over and over and over again, and our community
by other people lift up their heroes and sheers who
fight for the people. So sometimes that's a little painful,
but overall the benefit and the rewards from helping the people.

(34:21):
When I say people, I'm talking about humanity as a whole.
But often helping humanity is uplifting our people, and that's
what we try to do.

Speaker 12 (34:31):
When I spoke with mo about what it takes to organize,
especially the youth, he told me he learned from those
on the front lines of the civil rights movement.

Speaker 13 (34:40):
It was a civil rights leader by the name of
Amelia Boughton's Robinson who I studied under and had the
chance to work with.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
She's a mother of the Voting Rights Act.

Speaker 13 (34:48):
She's the margin Luther King's to work out her house,
and we should take busloads of children down to Alabama
to have conversations with her in the house where she
had a museum in the basement.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
And one of the things is she said.

Speaker 13 (35:00):
Was that I always remember when you hear that voice
telling you what to do, listen is God. So when
God tells you when to do something that you know
is right and divine, don't second guess it, go do it.
Let then they say and say what they say, and
just understand that success has enemies and haters are the
horse manure aka shi t that make your grass grow.

(35:23):
And the only way that horse manure hurts your grass
is if you give it too much sunlight. Because too
much sunlight on the horse manu will burn your grass up.
So that's what I would tell them. And don't give up.
Like everything that I've done in life came true when
I was ready to give up, Like, because you go
through so much and it's always at the very end
when things get tougher, and that's the test to see

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are you worthy of your reward.

Speaker 12 (35:49):
In twenty nineteen, when gentrifiers tried to silence a staple
in Uptown DC, a Metro PCs store that played Go
Go music, Mo and others organized that Don't DC movement
to protect DC's heartbeat and the culture.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (36:05):
So the dow DC movement all started with a friend
of mine by the name of Don Campbell I was
under attack. He had the Metro PCs store also known
as Central Communications.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Gentrifiers moved in a building.

Speaker 13 (36:18):
Across the street called the Shay, a new building, and
they said the music that had been playing on that
corner for twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Was too loud.

Speaker 13 (36:26):
Couldn't get the city to get it cut off because
it wasn't too loud and it was a state in
our community. So they went to the Metro PCs leadership,
the owners, and then they reached down to him and
told him if he did to cut the music off,
they were going to take his license and to sell
the cell phones, which was a prime location. He was
making a lot of money, so he had to cut
the music off, and he called me, and me, Natalie

(36:49):
hopped and send Tony Lewis and others created a petition
that we put out and that petition got over eighty
thousand signatures in two days, and the music came back
on this and after that the protests started in the
street with the young people with mochella, and basically what
that did would show people that we are still here,
right and then don't New DC continued the movement using

(37:12):
Go Go music to save a hospital east of the
River for one hundred and sixty thousand people who were
going to be without a hospital.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Right before COVID came. We didn't know COVID was coming.

Speaker 13 (37:22):
We also fought to build a new habits being completed
in Washington, DC. We fought to make Go Go DC's
official music with Keim and Duffy put the bill forward.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
We did a lot so we.

Speaker 13 (37:36):
Turned the movement or or a moment. It's one of
the things I teach young people. Don't be a moment
in time. Be a movement, and when people get you
in the street.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Know you have a purpose.

Speaker 13 (37:48):
Know what the purpose is, know what the strategies are,
and know what the outcomes you want to get from it.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Right.

Speaker 13 (37:54):
That's all a part of being a community organizer and
a social scientist. Because you don't understand that how the
dynamics work, you end up being played.

Speaker 12 (38:05):
On February nineteenth, twenty twenty five, MO teamed up with
doctor Natalie Hopkinson to open the Go Go Museum in
Cafe in the southeast neighborhood of Anacostia. It's the first
institution dedicated to preserving and celebrating the fifty year history
of the genre. Mo talked about his vision to create
the museum and how long it took for that vision

(38:26):
to come to fruition.

Speaker 13 (38:30):
Well, I had a dream of the Go Go Museum
back in two thousand and nine. I made the announcement
the Go Go Awards is actually on one of the
exhibits in here when I made the announcement, And sixteen
years later we open the Go Go Museum. And that's
why I tell people, you have a dream, don't give
up on it. You got to wait for the right moments,
but it's going to come if you don't give up

(38:50):
and you keep believing in your dreams. And all that
was made simpler and easier because of the dump mu
DC movement and the energy about helping black people, black culture,
black history and archiving it. So we turned this dream
materi reality. And most people don't believe that we did
it in a short amount of time that we did

(39:10):
it because we were doing the work for years, like
events which we archived the history and culture. Doctor Hopkinson
who also was a partner in doing this, she had
been archiving writing books. But I knew almost everybody in
Go Go, so I can call them and get the
information I can call and make things happen that most
museums can make happen outside of the Go Go Museum,

(39:33):
and we were able to do this with a culture
does not always about giving up all their information, because
we were one of the only forms of music that
have not been colonized.

Speaker 12 (39:43):
However, Go Go's influence reaches far beyond the district. It's rhythms,
call and response style, and community driven sound have helped
shape hip hop and other genres, all while remaining deeply
rooted in DC's neighborhood. Over time, Go Go became more
than music here. It became how the city speaks, and

(40:06):
as Mo explains, that influence turned go go into the
true voice of the people of Washington, d C. And
in February of twenty twenty, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser issued
a proclamation making go go music the official genre of Washington, DC,
and this year we're celebrating fifty years of the genre.

Speaker 13 (40:27):
Fifty years of go go is wonderful. And when I
think about go go and hip hop, I think that
they're cousins. The only difference is we haven't been colonized,
for better or worse.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
The good part about it is.

Speaker 13 (40:40):
We control our content to some degree, and any artist
or bands at this point in Go Go to come
up with things about killing, about using drugs and things
like that, you're really not gonna play anywhere because of
control that we have of our music, where other people
have taken over hip hop to some degree, and to
go with what was one thing that was uplifting our community,

(41:03):
teaching our community fighting uses as a two to fight.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And everything else.

Speaker 13 (41:08):
It still is, but to some degree also has been
used with the trap and the drill and other music
to have our people turn each other down.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It wasn't cool when I grew up.

Speaker 13 (41:17):
To use drugs, but because of making design of drugs
cool in music, it became part of the culture in
the streets, and it's been devastating to our community. So
from that perspective, like we've gone fifty years in hip
hop and Go Go have done collaborations together and all
those things. But the fifty years of Go Go supported
me because the people own it, and it's just become

(41:39):
the official music of DC six years ago. So I
think we have an upside coming that hasn't happened yet.
And we have a special announcement coming up on the
six year anniversary of Go Go becoming DC's official music
six years coming up in February, where we're going to
make some announcements of some of the things that we're

(42:00):
gonna be doing with Go Go and music with artists
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
That's very important.

Speaker 13 (42:05):
I think Go Go has to go back underground the
way it used to be, where artists made a lot of.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Money, all right, And that's where everybody else is.

Speaker 13 (42:14):
Going anyway, because they're not getting any money from their
music anymore. And that's you are part of the one percent,
so that people not part of the one.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Percent have to eat too.

Speaker 13 (42:23):
And we think Go Go has a great opportunity to
take advantage of the situation of things that we've been
the whole time, which is underground.

Speaker 12 (42:30):
While preserving culture is about honoring the past, most says
it's just as important to invest in what comes next,
from mentoring young leaders to creating spaces where they can
learn their history and amplify their voices. He believes the
future of Go Go and the community depends on the
next generation carrying the torch.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I'm embracing the next generation.

Speaker 13 (42:54):
I think these young people that I had planned on
the stage are artists like guitar and others. I think
they are the future, and we got to embrace the
future because I mean Raress, I love them, and we
got to keep on embracing them and loving them. But
if we don't come back and teach the next generation,
I mean some of them are in their sixties. I'm
fifty six. Twenty years now from now, I might not

(43:14):
be I might not be them out who knows, right,
So we got to make sure that these young people
are prepared to take the torch.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And run with it.

Speaker 13 (43:21):
If not go, go would be gone, or somebody who
don't look like us will be representing our music and culture.

Speaker 12 (43:27):
Mo further explains that building community isn't just talk, it's
an investment. He says, supporting black owned businesses is about
circulating power, ownership, and opportunity right here at home.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (43:39):
I just want to tell people, not just in DC,
but throughout the country. When you have places like the
Museum and things like you have an Anacosta, we have
all these black owned businesses that are brilliantly set up
five star, we got to god and support them because
throughout America we're going to do a crisis, right now
where a lot of businesses are going under, especially black businesses.

(44:02):
So we got to make it our business where you
black or white, to support these business because this is
how you deal with crime, This is how you deal
with poverty, this is how you deal with loneliness. Like
you uplift the institutions that make us what we are.
So that's my thing, Like embrace the coaches, embrace the music,
embrace the food, Embrace our ancestors, embrace the children. Right,

(44:24):
and let's work together to make the world a better
place collectively.

Speaker 12 (44:28):
While go go music is rooted in DC, its influence
is moving far beyond the DC, Maryland and Virginia region,
reaching new cities, new stages, and new audiences that embrace
the genre nationwide.

Speaker 13 (44:43):
Go go music is something special. It's a part of you.
It comes from your ancestors. And most people come to
DC and stay long enough realized that, right.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
And then they embrace it.

Speaker 13 (44:52):
They love it and we have like eight different go
go bands in different cities now, so it's starting to spread.
That's why we had the category Outside the Beltway this
year because we have eight go go bands in different
cities like Houston, South Carolina, North Carolina, la, you know,
like they all over now, which is big for us.

Speaker 12 (45:13):
And as Go Go spreads beyond the DMV, it carries
with it the city's energy. It's heartbeat and it's unmistakable rhythm.
And at the center of that sound is the crank,
a feeling so powerful. Mo describes it like the holy Ghost.

Speaker 13 (45:29):
Well, crank is like when like it's like you like,
oh my god, they just did that right. And the
pocket is like the holy ghost, like when you're in
the Go Go and it's like you see people closing
the eyes and doing like these like what the hell
is he doing?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Just like you're in church.

Speaker 13 (45:42):
It's like the holy ghost because Go Go touches the
seven chakras of our body and it heals us.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
It makes us happy.

Speaker 13 (45:50):
It does a lot for us, and that's why you
sometimes walk in and you see people dancing and laughing
and smiling with their eyes closed, because it does something
that a lot of music does not do. The frequency
that is on is different from a lot of the
satanic frequencies that we hear sometimes.

Speaker 12 (46:06):
And so the work continues. As the Go Go Museum
celebrates its one year anniversary, Youth programs continue to expand
and Mo is focused on building spaces where culture becomes opportunity.

Speaker 13 (46:18):
We got to finish getting the museum popping, like we
have a lot of live concerts. We're doing programming for
children because we want to get young people back in
that we're doing. We want to teach young people to
creative economy, like how to do sound engineering. We just
got a grant from TV Bank to do that, so
we're going to teach young people sound engineering, live streaming,

(46:40):
how to play go go music, and things like that.
And then on top of that, we're working with ours.
We got a meeting today. We got people like Ryan
and Lavon coming trade from UCB.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
We have some of the.

Speaker 13 (46:51):
Younger bands coming and they're coming here because we're about
to start a movement right to put something out for
next year with new artist, new music, and taking our
culture to another level that it can be breaks not
only by people in DC, but people around the world.

Speaker 12 (47:08):
And before we wrapped up our conversation, I asked Moe
what keeps them going? What is his why? For him,
it's not just about preserving the sound and culture of
the city. It's about honoring those who came before and
carrying that spirit forward. For those who come next.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Because people cared for me.

Speaker 13 (47:27):
There's a lot of people who my grandmother, I watched
your help the world right, and if it wasn't for her,
I wouldn't be here. I watched a lot of ancestors
and singings in my community help me. So a lot
of people helped me when I wasn't worthy, So I
got to help others, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 13 (47:43):
So that's all I've seen all my life and been
around people who give right. But you also have to
learn balance though, to make sure you receive too. Because
a lot of the people that I know who serve humanity,
that work with King and others, they died broke and
they died with nothing because they worried about others more
than themselves. And you got to find that part of
balance in your life. So when you leave, you now

(48:03):
only do you leave a legacy, but you leave some
behind for your children.

Speaker 12 (48:07):
From organizing movements like Don't mut DC to preserving the
city sound at the Go Go Museum and celebrating it
at the Go Go Awards, Ronald Momotin has shown that
protecting black culture is more than music. It's about community,
mentorship and creating space for the next generation. As the
museum celebrates its one year ANNIVERSARYMO continues to focus on

(48:29):
youth programs, education and advocacy, making sure people have a
platform to express themselves and carry the culture forward. And
at the heart of it all most says, it's about
honoring the ancestors who came before, embracing the responsibility of
the present, and inspiring those who will follow. Through rhythm,

(48:50):
activism and vision, Ronald Momotin is helping the real Washington,
d C and beyond claim its power, its story, and
its voice for the black perspective. I'm Morgan would on
the Black Information Network. Thank you for listening.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Thanks Morgan and ron For more information, follow Don't Mute
DC on Instagram and go Go Museumcafe dot com. Doug
Davis is back again and continues his conversation with Minority
and Sports founder Shina Wills, who joins us from San
Francisco the Super Bowl Sunday following her fourth annual Toast
of Black Sports luncheon that happened earlier during Super Bowl Week.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Doug, Hey, thanks Mike. Earlier this week, the Black owned
Minority and Sports Organization held its fourth annual Toast of
Black Sports luncheon in San Francisco honoring black sports Trailblazers.
I spoke with CEO and founder Shina Wells earlier this
week to speak about the importance of black professionals in
the business of sports and this Super Bowl Sunday on

(49:52):
the Black Perspective, we played back the conversation we had
about black ownership, front office equity, and what real change looks.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Check it out.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
You've built MIS into one of the most influential communities
in sports, obviously providing career pathways, leadership development, year round programming.
What was the moment, you know, maybe a specific conversation,
maybe a mispromotion, or maybe a league hiring pattern that
kind of made you say we need this organization like
right now.

Speaker 14 (50:21):
Yeah, there were two moments in particular. One was when
I realized that one of the Big four leagues, their
HR team was requesting people who were in our group
chat to post roles in the chat to be able
to diversify their pipeline. And that was something that I
knew that they paid a lot of search forms a

(50:44):
good amount of money for, but they weren't getting the
diverse pipeline that they wanted, so they wanted to use
my group chat for that. And then another one was
there was a pretty big social justice incident that happened
a few years ago in the industry, and people who
had worked for that team in particular, just had some

(51:08):
issues on how to handle it internally because they didn't
feel like they were getting the.

Speaker 11 (51:13):
Support from leadership.

Speaker 14 (51:14):
So having this network and that those individuals being able
to come in and talk to different people who were
in the network and be able to use us kind
of as.

Speaker 11 (51:25):
A community to get through that time.

Speaker 14 (51:27):
And I think, you know, we all know what incident
that I was talking about that happened with the team
in California and a certain player, so you know, they
were dealing with a lot as one of the only
black people on the business side of that team.

Speaker 11 (51:43):
So you know, being able to have this.

Speaker 14 (51:45):
Community for that person to lean on it and get
through that moment and get support that he wasn't getting
from leadership made me realize that this was more than
my personal group chat and this was something that was
really needed.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Hearing the Bin, we talk a lot about, you know,
how black folks can turn our talents to wealth. That
last how was MSI helping athletes and sports professionals think
beyond a paycheck toward ownership and maybe you know, some
long term wealth opportunities.

Speaker 14 (52:12):
Yeah, I would say it's definitely helping to have a
deeper look into the industry, so not just surface level
where you know, most of us who may not know
or work in the industry may see. So being able
to kind of be in that behind the scenes and
be in rooms with people who are like presidents of
some of the teams or people who are close to

(52:34):
the ownership groups, and knowing how that process works. Also
knowing different ways to actually make money within this industry,
so it might not be ownership, but it might be
investment into something, investment into a program, or investment into
an ownership group.

Speaker 11 (52:53):
So just being able to.

Speaker 14 (52:54):
Have kind of like that behind the scenes access with
individuals that most of us would never really have access
to having not had this community that works together.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Right, right, right, Let's let's talk some equity. You know,
we've seen a lot of teams in leagues make big
public promises since twenty twenty about black lives and social justice.
From where you sit, has that turned into any real
change or is there a big gap like we find
in some big corporate companies that decided to bail after

(53:24):
Trump took office.

Speaker 14 (53:26):
Yeah, so very interesting question. In twenty twenty one, twenty
twenty two, it was great. There was an immense amount
of investment, and not just my organization, but different organizations
who were similar, but a real investment to get more
diverse people in the room and not just get them
for lip service, but actually ensure and help them succeed

(53:50):
and stay within the industry. But then, I would really
say it started some of twenty twenty three after the
Supreme Court ruling came down for affirmative Actually we started
seeing a shift where a lot of companies within the
industry kind of had to put things on pause and
wanted to bring in extra legal help to figure out

(54:11):
how to word certain things because I mean, quite frankly,
there were a lot of lawsuits being flown around, and
you know, at the end of the day, they wanted
to protect their revenues. So it's definitely been tough the
last couple of years. We've had a lot of companies
who you know, we've partnered with now say we have
to kind of fall back a little bit, or we

(54:33):
need to you know, reword this in a way. Or
we can't support things that only you know are meant for.

Speaker 11 (54:41):
A specific group of people.

Speaker 14 (54:43):
So it's it's been tough, but we're grateful for the
partners that have continued to work with us and you know,
really think about the bigger mission here and.

Speaker 11 (54:52):
Work with us.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Yeah, future in sports big one, women's sports college nil
exploding right now. Now where do you see the biggest
new opportunities for black professionals in the next five to
ten years in these new categories or these emerging categories,
I should say yeah.

Speaker 14 (55:10):
I would say the two biggest that I see is
obviously women in sports. You know, people are starting to
realize that female athletes are marketable and they don't have
to look just one specific way as long as they
have a great personality. There is an audience for them
and there's a lot of money to be made. And
then I think some of our non traditional sports, so

(55:32):
I would definitely love to see more black people, especially
black people in the industry start to move away from
just focusing on your Big Four or your NBA and nfls,
but start to look at some these non traditional spaces
like soccer, like track and field, which I think is
going to be super huge. F one is also a huge,

(55:54):
huge opportunity, so I definitely want to start seeing more
of us. Golf is another one where I'm starting to
see more people who look like us slide into some
roles in that field. So I think, you know, some
of those non traditional sports faces for us at least
as well as women's sports are the two real opportunities
that I see blowing up in the next couple of years.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Absolutely, And for listeners, you know, whether they're students, professional athletes,
maybe potential partners. What's the best way to connect with
minorities in.

Speaker 11 (56:25):
Sports through social media? Is the easiest way. LinkedIn and
Instagram is where we're the most active.

Speaker 14 (56:32):
We are pretty easy to find, so our handles, our
m I sports biz or if you just google minorities
and sports business, we're usually the first things to come up.
So finding us on social reaching out to us, and
as a message a DM or on LinkedIn. We pretty
much check it every day, so that's the best way
to keep in touch and find out more information.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Gotcha?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
And finally, what piece of advice could you give a
black professional in sports who may be listening right now?
Kind of feels kind of stuck or overlooked and you
know it's not sure where to go.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
With their career.

Speaker 14 (57:05):
One be okay with leaving your current situation and trying
something new and trying something that may.

Speaker 11 (57:12):
Not be traditional to you.

Speaker 14 (57:15):
I think sometimes we tend to just get stuck or
feel like we owe whoever it is in the industry
something in terms of like that loyalty.

Speaker 11 (57:26):
But you know, kind of be loyal to.

Speaker 14 (57:28):
Your career and be okay and be prepared to pivot
if you need to, And.

Speaker 11 (57:35):
Yeah, I think that would be it is.

Speaker 14 (57:36):
You know, be ready to owhe and also know that
you belong in the room. For most of us, if
we were hired, we were hired because we were probably
more than better than the other candidates. So know that
we belong there and kind of walk through with that
confidence when we were in those rooms.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Powerful insights from China Wales, founder and CEO of Minorities
in Sports or Organization. Sports Executive Fellowship has placed over
seventy five black professionals into NFL front offices since twenty
twenty three, and their ownership adcacy push three NFL teams
to hire minority executives last season. The test of Black

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sports luncheon. Frew'se Equity isn't just charity, it's business. Shanna,
thank you for the conversation and congratulations on four incredible years.
And I just happened to meet one of this year's honorees,
Deborah L. Langford, and we'll have her on the show
in the coming weeks to speak on why she was
honored and her latest role as managing director ahead of
Black Wealth Strategies for JP Morgan. This is Doug Davis

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and you're listening to the Black Perspective.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
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