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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, all right, all right, still in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Uh I got Bobo and Drake Thomas today. I appreciate
you guys coming day after a game. Vibes are high.
Merch looks great on you guys. By the way, the
merch looks great on you. Make sure we make sure
we get some model picks for these guys. This might
be on the website. It just fits, it fits, you know.
(00:24):
It's like a good glove. Everyone gets a nice for
sheer glover once in a while. You're like, you know,
I'm gonna catch something with these today.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I love it. But let's just strong with you. Had
a night last night?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean those are always good,
always good.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And I don't want to be the guy to downplay it,
but dude, pre season, all you have to do is
just catch the ball and kind of like fall into
the end zone.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, life's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I mean, ball things kind of easy.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
It was nice.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Did I caught the first one, just ran straight into
the end zone and then had to just catch.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
The second one in ball that bounds.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah, So mean it's good easy.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
How is a the feel of a touchdown in a
preseason game versus a regular season, same same electricity. Yeah,
so you're fired up. What about home versus away? Home
is always a little sweeter.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Do you have any way of touchdowns?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I don't think I've scored on the road.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Is it a fairs on the road?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Is it a fair statement to say, Bobo, if we
played all games in Seattle, his statistics for touchdowns will
be higher.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah. I mean luman is just a good time. You
got to experience it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's a six.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
It's about that was pretty close to a regular.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Seeing I think it was like sixty thousand there.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It felt popping.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I've never been at a game at Women, but I
played you Dub my junior year and that's same architect
who made the stadiums and they were three at the
time that year during the country it was with Pettis
and all those days, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Was when they went to the playoffs early on.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, and they h we got waxed and it was
a good team to play.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, they had a good year.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But I remember specifically being like we played Bama the
week before and I was we played Jalen Hurts played
the first half and then two it came in to
relieve him.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, it was a good ball right there.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That I don't know Minko.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Minko was on the BAMA team, so it's probably the
same around the same same time. Yeah, but no, Lumin's sick.
I feel like if I was a Seattle guy'd be
a nest guy. The little trimangle.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, yeah, man, I mean never really looked up there.
But is it like a certain section to get up there?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I'm sure there's the elevator or something like that,
but stairs, Yeah, there's there's seats on the top of it,
like the Yeah, it's a six stadium.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
You know, your own stadium. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I guess I never really pay attention that, Like there's
not like like a visible entrance to it, like you.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Know what I mean, Like you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Just kind of get teleported up there like that. How
is I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean, you guys both were like and I'm thinking
from a swag perspective now because I have stolely about
how a long snapper drips out.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I mean, he's got it down.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He took me through the process.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He took me through.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Thet Yeah, you know, he talks about it. He talks
about it. What's it like dripping out in the Seahawks uniform.
You got you have some creativity to play with.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Yeah, you got some good colors. So it's like, you know,
you can throw a little neon in there, or you
know you can go like sometimes the black looks good too,
because our uniforms don't have too much white, like a
lot of gray in it, so black doesn't look bad honestly,
And then.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
You're in the white last night, I was wearing.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
White last night, I was. I was a little switch up.
Usually I don't wear white with the home uniforms.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But but I heard you're a black cleat guy.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Uh, would you were you a speed guy?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Clearly I'm not a bruiser.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Okay, so the issue with me is I am not
a speed guy.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm gonna follow up on this. So some funny stolely
gave us some insight.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Uh, through all of my my years watching film, the
the public thinks you look faster and white cleats.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You don't.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You don't on film, you look faster in dark cleats.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's a hot take. Going to tell me, that's a
hot tap.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
If anyone would know, it would be me.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
But I watched myself wearing black cleats versus white Claes.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
But you had it's not essential to what you're doing.
It is essential for me for me to look fast.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Hell, if I'm looking, if I look faster, can you just.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Hide being slow better in black cleats? Maybe is that
a that is that the sentence?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Maybe that's it? You just hide lack of it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It's deceiving, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I feel like Bobo is not honestly that slow like game.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Speed dude, I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Hey, that's a nice No, that's a bowler right there.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, it's like he's twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
No, you're a game speed guy, game speed. I don't
the boys.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Plenty of guys who don't run the best forties and
they they in best.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
How about the worst?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So but uh, Stolely said, make sure you bring up
the four nine nine that Bobo run.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
This is a direct quote.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
It was an official four nine one.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Take me through your forty.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Rainy d I mean, listen, was I told to not
run the forty?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Was it gonna help you? I mean you see it
on my head, A great chop wood carry water?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I mean, what am I not gonna run?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Who's going to carry the boats if not me? That
I mean, I've been training for this thing for the
last four months, That's what I'm saying. I mean, we
did get.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
A monsoon in La. It was the first time I've
ever seen that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So that was great timing, good good, good good, and
so yeah, I mean I was told to not run.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I'm gonna go ahead and run.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And who told you have to run? Your trainer?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had it was it was probably
It's not a bunch of people regardless of weather conditions.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
They don't run.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, no, no, in the rain. They're like, dude, it's training.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
This is bad.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, you're gonna run that You're not? Well, I mean
I would well, did you have a tent outside?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Was outside? You see that they didn't have an indoor
because it doesn't rain in La.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I got a great follow up story for this.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
So it rains, and yeah, I was going to.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I was gonna The plan was to act like I
rolled my ankle in the broad jump.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah you don't. You're not.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You're not that guy.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And you know what, even if you did, I'm still running, right, Yeah,
I'm running.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, take that sucker up in this roll.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
So yeah, no, it wasn't fast. It was a four
nine one four nine nine. A few stop watches you
might have got.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I don't know. I wouldn't ask him.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, my brother just went through the pro DA experience
and it was raining in present, like mon.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Soon there we go, they have an indoor, no bring
the juice.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Being the brother that I am, knew that he, being
an undersized white wide receiver, needed to run fast, and
he at training was running like four three one four
two nine like he was. He was on that cuss
of tapping in the four and twoths. I rented a tent, yeah,
he did, in the stadium forty seven yards just so
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my brother could and all the other boys, and because
because there was layover of like guys who I played
with we're now.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Was like, you rented a tent just like a like
a strip like that forty seven yards long.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Prezio State's like, are you sure. I'm like, and I
have a great relationship with him. I do their pregame show.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, my brother we've played there ten years in a row.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Right, it's a family deal.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And I got for the golf tournament.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I always got to rent tents, so I'm like, hey, guys,
and they're looking at architecture and permits and I just
said cash right, But you know what, I want to
get to the hand time on Pro Day?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh yeah, why why are we still doing hand times
on Pro Day?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
We're trusting thirty two guys with stopwatches.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
And they just like the numbers from pro days are
honestly ridiculous. I mean, I don't know, like I ran
four six oh to like four six seven, so like.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Four six, four six, four six respectable like, but still
it's like and a backer.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
As a backer, like that's.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I mean, I wanted to hit in the four fives,
but four six oh yeah, dude, I wanted to hit
that dude very close to that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But then I saw I heard four six seven to.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Like that that that range is just like it's annoying.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, then you hear rumors to that. Scouts call out
for other scouts. But in the moment, in the moment
as the guy running, you're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
There's bias, Like the scouts have biases, and then they
have like certain narratives about guys. I feel like that
they want to be right about Yeah, so like they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
This guy's fast. Yeah, look great, Yeah, looks.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
How fast this was?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Or if someone got a good time, maybe they you know,
while they're all discussing like what who what this kid ran?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
He might keep that time to himself.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And guys do yes, guys definitely do, especially pro day.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean the whole the whole thing's jackeda.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's so jacked do it's jacka just in general it's
I mean, if you can.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Play ball, you can play ball. Yeah, I understand why
you do it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
There's got to be.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Better tests to measure, like, I mean, we're still using
the same test that like we've used forever that there's
there's gotta be better methods.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think there's just the forty yard dash is the OG.
So what's your for?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Like you talk to a guy on an airplane, so
like what kind of forty are you? People don't realize
a four to six is humming fast, humming fast, And
then you see some like Florida State d N We're
like a four to four and you're like, that guy's
two eighty doing that. That's scary freakish, that's freak like.
(10:29):
So we're talking about evolution in the game right now, Uh,
Chiefs Seahawks, we experienced a uh.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Measurement, an AI measurement.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, okay, and I know what fell in your
guys's favor while okay, let's let's air this out so
I get the overhead camera makes sense, right, we got
the skycam.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Right, We've got the tech to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
What I was confused off of is they were a
foot and a half short on the on the spot
of the ball. Yeah, it can a chain game, a
chain game would have spotted that out in what five seconds?
Just put it down, put it down and been like
this far I get for like one to two inches.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So did they.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Use it to like to get the spot of the
ball or did they use it to see if like
if we got it from the ref spot you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I don't know, Oh, like true spot.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is the spot?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Like That's what I was wondering, Like, are they are they?
Are they doing both?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like they should be doing all of it. They should
even they should keep the normal chain game too. Yeah,
and maybe this is just me hot take. Doesn't it
feel like there's a lot more room for air at
this point? Like Vegas could call up some ref and
be like, hey, I.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Give them that first home or like exciting game.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We want to keep this drive alive, like you know,
like who the public is in the absolute not the
public anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Besides, they'll go office.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So I'm saying, and there's always the rumors of the
NFL scripted, but I think there's a little bit of
Heevan host.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
There's the mafia involved maybe, right.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
We want a game to go this way. Show who's
gonna sell tickets? We want to get views up. Caitlin Clark,
put her on prime time. We need her and Angel
Rees playing more often. You know, that's just that's you sell.
That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Get him in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It'd be a great little wall on one.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm sure they love to go do a little Oklahoma
drill against each other or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, drag.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You said, we're watching your brother right now, Well not
right now, but he's on.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You have a brother in the league, and you guys
grew up together.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Tell me and again, like coming from a football family,
going grinding, it starts when you're six, you're competing, you're training.
You don't know what you're training.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
For, maybe exact six years old, but you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Know you're competing and then as football became an element
in your life, Like, how was that journey.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Growing up with the brother who pushed you and you
got to push you.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, it was really really cool.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
My dad played football too, he played college football, and
so we both I feel like, always looked up to him.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Right he was.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He flew in same build, same legs.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
But yeah, he flew in due and he took a
red eye, like he left in the third quarter, took
a red eye to Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
That could get that game.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Wow, man, grinder, Yeah, you'd love to see it.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, but it was just it was awesome. Like everything
that we did, like it was just a competition, right,
and he kind of set the path before me the standard.
You know, he's my older brother is a grinder like guy.
You know, earned everything that he has, a walk on guy,
and just like seeing his work ethic and trying to
like you know, model it in my own way.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's what's got me, you know, where I'm at.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
That ultimately came from our parents, you know them had
both having like athletic backgrounds. And we also have a
younger brother who plays quarterback in anc State. Hell yeah,
So yeah, I mean just seeing him take that and
like basically take it to another level.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, it does both of us. Like yeah, I mean
he can tell you, like we're.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Pretty we're pretty dialed in when it comes to like
all of us, the stuff that we're doing, what we're
eating everything, and like my little brother all right, but
but my little brother is taking it to another level.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
And it's just like cool to see, like.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Yeah, they our strength coach says, we're cooked up, like
we're not right in the head when it comes to
this stuff, and like my little brother is like the
epitome of that, and he's just like such a grinder
and it's this is the whole process, the journey. It's
been really cool to see how it's like basically worked
out in each of our favors in different ways, just
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based off like you know, straight work.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Honestly, do you think that you all went to NC
State because you wanted to follow each ultimately?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, So my brother walked on.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
He was going to play baseball in college initially, and
then he had a huge senior season in football, and
like the head coach, Dave Doran, ended up being at
one of our games to scout, Like me, our running
back two players on the other team, and he saw
my brother had like one hundred and fifty yards or whatever,
and so that opportunity came up and it was like
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my dad was a walk on and it worked out
for him. He ended up, you know, being a three
year starter at Marshall team captain all that won a
national championship with them, and so like just having that,
you know, experience, helped my brother, you know, feel comfortable
in making that move right.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And then once he was there, he had a great experience.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
He earned a scholarship within a year started or not started,
but got a lot of playing time behind Jacobi Meyers
his red shirt freshman year, and just seeing the success
he had, it was like ultimately like I was getting recruited,
but like, especially for my family, like there was no
other choice, right, Like that was the only choice.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
I mean we're super close and tight as a family,
and so yeah, that was the only choice for me.
And then following up, my little brother, like his choices
were even like he had no other choice.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, Like there's no.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Exploration of anywhere else because just what me and my
brother were able to do while we were at n
C State.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So that's awesome. You keep saying we're not all right.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What do you think is the most psychopath thing you
guys have attention to detail for that gives you that edge?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Dude? I mean me, For me, it's probably my diet.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I haven't had a carbs and so eight No.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I mean carbs, Carbs are important. So my fiance is
actually a dietitian. So she works in football too, and
so like she keeps my diet, like she helps me
a lot with that stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
But carbs, carbs are essential.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You gotta feel, gotta feel I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I feel like it's just like everything is we are.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
There's nice hard to pick out one thing that we're
like super dialed in because I feel like it's like
a lifestyle.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It's like we live our lives in a way that's
like he's.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Just a sick oh dude.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, he's good lift at the same time every day,
he's gotta do the same thing post practice. Like I
walk in he's on the BFR watching film of practice
that just ended no more than ten minutes ago. Yeah,
has to eat the same food at the same time.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
What else we got on there? I mean, he's gotta
wear the same just like, dude, come on, dude.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Kind of the same way. So there's some of that
in you.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, do you think coming out and being a undrafted
guy makes you have to have that chip, have that
competitive edge.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
On things for both of you?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah? Yeah, so I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, but I think I don't. I feel like you
don't necessarily have to, like you choose to. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I feel like that you don't got to.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
You get to me exactly, That's just what That's just
what I feel like gives me my advantage, right, Like
we're chasing edges, chasing edge edges our mantra, Yeah, chasing edge,
we're chasing edges.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
If you don't have it, you just won't make it. Yeah,
as an undrafted guy, right.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, you got unless you're just unless you're just like yeah,
so talented, you know, and have like I don't know,
it's hard to it's not you don't. You don't see
a lot of undrafted guys stick unless they're like dialed in,
right like, because the coach has got to see something
in you, And I feel like it starts with like
the way you approached the Yeah, So I think that's
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definitely important as an undrafted.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Guy going into like the draft process, did you, either
of you guys expect like what was your journey like?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Were you expecting to get picked up late round?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Was there?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Was there?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Love?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Was there?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Love lost?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
How'd you end up here?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well? Came out you were not.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, well we were thinking late rounds ran the four nine.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
All right, we're gonna go ahead and go undrafted here?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, probably, which I mean, dude, is a blessing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You get to pick your journey a little bit, pick
your journey.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
But you know, I might have not ended up in
Seattle in a great situation. And honestly, for me, I
don't know if there could have been a more perfect situation.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
For me. I'm a religious guy. So that was the plan.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
The plan was to run a four nine and let
God and let God do it. Dude, I mean, he's.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Got a plan, and you just say all right, and
I'm gonna go ahead and follow kind of where you
called me to go.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Ended up in a perfect situation under a great staff
and you know, great leadership, and so yeah, what I've
loved to have been a guy drafted, but I might
have not.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I might not be sitting.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Here ring the juice in case, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I might not have been bringing the Jews.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I would.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I mean, I feel the same way about my journey
as him, like big in my faith.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
So like whatever happened was obviously you know, that's exactly
what was supposed to happen. But going through it, it
did not go how I expected at all. I just
came off of two like first team all ACC years
and I.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Had actually I left school early, I had an extra year.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
And like the feedback I got postseason, Usually coaches, I
feel like college coaches, they're quick to tell you, like,
you know, we want you back, come back, right, And my.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Coaches like basically didn't say that to me.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
They said that they couldn't ask me to come back
just because of like everything that I had done in
n C State, And they felt like I had a
really good shot at getting drafted into the NFL because
I told them I.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Was like, I don't want to declare and go undrafted.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah, if I have an extra year of college football left,
I don't want I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah. So the feedback I got.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Like I literally heard like third round and something from
some people. Fourth round, fifth round, I mean going literally
all the way like after pro day, same thing, top
thirty visits. I didn't get a combine invite, which was
a little bit you got invited. Yeah, didn't get a
combine invite, So there was.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
A little a little surprised. You should have just ran
your forty there.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, probably you know, lasersay.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Away from the last, but yeah, I like didn't get
the combine invite, and I was kind of like that
was kind of the start of like okay, like that's like, yeah,
that's not what was expected. And then but I was
still going on thirty visits with teams like I'm on
I'm on draft boards. I'm basically expecting like a four
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to five round grade. Yeah, like I'm that's what my
agent's telling me. Thinks I'm gonna be gone, you know,
fourth round, fifth ground, right, And it's like the way
it worked out, it was just like seemed like the
teams that really liked me, they picked guys super early,
so I was probably like a Day three guy on
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their board, but they got their Day one and Day
two guys, so it was like, you know early. I
was like okay, I don't I don't know how this
is going to go. But even like you know, day three,
like through the entire draft, I'm thinking like at some
point I'm gonna get picked up, until so I didn't
and then it's like you gotta make a decision so fast.
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It's the craziest thing ever, And like I should have
done more, you know, research about like you know, when
I went undrafted, like or if I went undrafted, but
I ended up like just choosing a situation and I
got there and it was like.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It was rough.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
It was rough, like his like how he talked about
how he walked into like the perfect situation. It was
that was not my experience at all. It was like
really coming from like the ground up. It was like
there was nothing there like that I had no leverage
or no nothing to work on, and it was like
I walked in like the coaches don't even know my name.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
In the back of my head, I'm like, I just
left school early for like for this.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
But you know, like he said, you know, God has
a plan.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I had to go through that, right, and I learned
a lot and eventually ended up in Seattle, which has
been a great situation.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
So you know, it all happens for a reason of.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Things ever come easy, right, And I think the guys
who make it out are the guys who just keep
on going. You know, you see that one the one
meme of the guy acts and trying to find the diamonds,
you know, swink couple more times and maybe you're going
to hit something. But and you know what too, like
this this game, it's such a business. In college, it's
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in high school, it's a business now. It's a business
all the way up. And it's sometimes it's a number game.
Sometimes things work in your advantage. Injuries come into play
at times where it's like, you know, when you're the
guy hurt, it's because someone else at the end of
day is getting your reps that take your job. But
also maybe you're the guy healthy that day and you're
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getting your opportunity, right, So you just got to keep
chopping wood, carry and water and and and show it up.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's a long game.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's the long game. It's the long hal.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Stay available long enough and then you get that you
got to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
The best abilities availability a lot at the times, for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think, uh, you know your draft day.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Story, it's it is crazy how fast like the Uda
faced stuff happens. I experiened with my brother this year
and he was in a similar situation where coming from
Fresno State's like smaller school, less hype, didn't get the
combined invite, played in one of the BS you know,
all star games, and uh, you don't know they certain
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teams are can we like you?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
We like you, we like you?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And we were My parents, being a football family, were like,
we're we want to know what's happening. We had the basement,
big old post it notes, who's on staff, what's their contract, like,
who's who's talking to him, who's calling and ultimately like
draft wasn't even over yet, but the teams that were
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the start calling calling, They're calling, hey, hey, we want this,
and starts for this amount of money, then that amount
of money. And it's also like are we just chasing
like an extra twenty five grand?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But the wrong situation probably isn't work with it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
But he had a couple of teams on the on
the table and his agents like you have thirty seconds
to decide, you have thirty seconds to the sky decided,
And there's like one hundred people in my parents' living
room we walk into our childhood bedroom and he's like, bro,
and I'm not going to burn all the situations, but basically,
there was one successful team and there was one really
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unsuccessful team and not great quarterback play. And I was
just like, dude, let's get some good quarterback. You're a receiver,
let's go go do what you gotta do and system.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And also similar, like you said, a guy, if they
draft someone from your position group in an early round,
like you really don't want to go there at that
point because they're going to put that first second round
guy above a sixth round any opportunity. That's what I'm saying.
So do you want to be putting that situation? But
it's a grind. Is there a guy on your guys
journey so far that's like helped elevate you to become
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a PhD influence.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
A bunch of guys?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
I feel like you just kind of look around and
see the guys that are successful.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's a reason that's successful.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, could you pin twenty one?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You think? I mean an easy one?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
It's kind of a cop out, and soid I feel
like it's Bobby Wagoner right, Like that's like he was
the epitome of what it means to be a pro. Right,
and everybody will say that's literally what everybody says about
Bobby in the Seahawks building, like the ultimate pro. I mean,
there's a reason why he's having success in your year?
What is this fourteen for them?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You're gonna have mold. He had like one hundred and
fifty tackles last year.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Yeah, that's crazy, Like this consistency in his regiment just
like that's why he's able to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So yeah, Bubbo, I mean I had to in DK
and Locke talking earlier about the kind of perfect situation.
The way those guys took care of the younger receivers matters,
Like you hear whatever. NFL's a business, you know, it's cutthroat, dude.
We stepped in that building and it was like immediately
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one of the boys, a couple of big brothers. Yeah,
it's huge.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
It's huge for me. Jackson was in the same class
as I was. I mean just those guys. Don't get
me wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
DK is you know, on the field headcase at times,
but the way he like he.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Worked his tail on.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, grinder, bro.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
You see some guys that have success, like there's there's
a few like that are at the top that are
just like.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Just like talented physically players.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Exactly, like they've been like this their entire lot, right,
Like they've had it like just whatever that is, whether
it's speed, size, whatever, knacks for the ball, like they
just have been that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
But like d he's in there six am, six am,
lifts every week from the start of camp till week eight.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Team.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Nothing's too big for him.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
No practice is hard practice, this is hard.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So I mean just to see a guy who has
been physically talented his whole.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Life, it still works the way he doesn't probably have
to work the way he works like he's gifted, obviously
we see that, but he would work like regardless, right,
And that's that was cool to see.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, that's easy to follow that too, right, Like it's
just you want to get behind a guy like that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Totally, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, but you have a nonprofit I've learned. Yes, how
did that come about?
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Are you the bigger than ball?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean unfortunately, my dad passed.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Two years year and a half, two years cancer at
fifty five, and he was just everybody thinks their dad.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
As a man.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
This guy was the man just had coached me my
whole life, taught me everything I know about the game
of football. But the thing about him was his whole
deal for us growing up and for me as I
got into college ball and started looking even the next
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level was he'd.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Always say this student trove me nuts.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Football is what you do, it's not who you are,
Like there's always got to be something bigger. For him,
it was his faith, Like I don't care if your
Super Bowl, MVP, thousand yard seasons, that will never be
what fulfills you in terms of what you want to
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do for your life and who you are as a man.
And so my biggest thing with that is in my
mom honestly is is the captain of that ship is
just helping those less fortunate. At first, it started out
as we want to help high school kids who are.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Less socioeconomically.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Gifted to get to college camps because I was a
guy that I needed to go to camp to get recruited,
and so to help guys at whether it's my high school,
high schools in the in the greater Boston area, that
was the original kind of go to and then it
kind of just turned into we want to fund charity
organizations that are helping just inspire youth on field and
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then off and so we kind of started that. This
last year had our own golf tournament, which was great.
So shout out mom for she's she's running the show
on that deal. But it's been it's been really cool
so far.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Your original no, no, no, that's I wanted to give
you opportunity to plug it, man, because that's that's that's huge.
We I mean, like I said, we are golf is for
a nonprofit and it's exact same thing where you know
in our area, there's.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
There's a lot of pockets.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
There's pockets with a lot of a lot of financial backup,
there's other pockets where it's like what's it gonna be?
And you know, like in Fresno they have this thing
called dB Guru and like Xavier Worthy, my brother and
Tory all were on it the same class in the
area and they have like seven other dudes that are
in the league now.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And I was part of it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But like they there was a lot of like my
mom bring in six kids in our suv to get
recruited and we come home and like there'd be four
offers in the car you know, and it's dope because
now they excel in college and they're in the NFL.
But I'm just all about like the equipment side of things.
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There's so many people that don't even have a fighting
chance because it's like they don't have anything. And I've
branched it now to where like it's all words. Obviously
we're a football family, so you try to lean into that.
But it's awesome and uh, I just know how hard
it is to like launch a nonprofit do do uh
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do like the the paperwork and all that, but also
looking a golf course, getting the people there, if you
want some of your boys to come to build hype.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like coordinating that and uh, people.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Who it's it's one thing, Yeah, it's it's one thing
to to like say you want to I know a
lot of guys that say they want to do it.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But when I was doing my research and I saw you.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like are actually doing it, got to tip my hat
to you on that. That's that's a big thing. So no,
I uh, I very much know how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You anything good man, good? I think I'm good to.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I appreciate you guys, stay fired up, good luck this
year and hope to get you guys.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
That's to the golf journeys.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There go baby
All right, all right, all right, still in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Uh I got Bobo and Drake Thomas today. I appreciate
you guys coming day after a game. Vibes are high.
Merch looks great on you guys. By the way, the
merch looks great on you. Make sure we make sure
we get some model picks for these guys. This might
be on the website. It just fits, it fits, you know.
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It's like a good glove. Everyone gets a nice for
sheer glover once in a while. You're like, you know,
I'm gonna catch something with these today.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I love it. But let's just strong with you. Had
a night last night?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean those are always good,
always good.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And I don't want to be the guy to downplay it,
but dude, pre season, all you have to do is
just catch the ball and kind of like fall into
the end zone.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, life's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I mean, ball things kind of easy.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
It was nice.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Did I caught the first one, just ran straight into
the end zone and then had to just catch.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
The second one in ball that bounds.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah, So mean it's good easy.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
How is a the feel of a touchdown in a
preseason game versus a regular season, same same electricity. Yeah,
so you're fired up. What about home versus away? Home
is always a little sweeter.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Do you have any way of touchdowns?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I don't think I've scored on the road.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Is it a fairs on the road?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Is it a fair statement to say, Bobo, if we
played all games in Seattle, his statistics for touchdowns will
be higher.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah. I mean luman is just a good time. You
got to experience it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's a six.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
It's about that was pretty close to a regular.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Seeing I think it was like sixty thousand there.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It felt popping.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I've never been at a game at Women, but I
played you Dub my junior year and that's same architect
who made the stadiums and they were three at the
time that year during the country it was with Pettis
and all those days, correct.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Was when they went to the playoffs early on.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, and they h we got waxed and it was
a good team to play.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, they had a good year.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But I remember specifically being like we played Bama the
week before and I was we played Jalen Hurts played
the first half and then two it came in to
relieve him.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, it was a good ball right there.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That I don't know Minko.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Minko was on the BAMA team, so it's probably the
same around the same same time. Yeah, but no, Lumin's sick.
I feel like if I was a Seattle guy'd be
a nest guy. The little trimangle.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, yeah, man, I mean never really looked up there.
But is it like a certain section to get up there?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I'm sure there's the elevator or something like that,
but stairs, Yeah, there's there's seats on the top of it,
like the Yeah, it's a six stadium.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
You know, your own stadium. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I guess I never really pay attention that, Like there's
not like like a visible entrance to it, like you.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Know what I mean, Like you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Just kind of get teleported up there like that. How
is I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean, you guys both were like and I'm thinking
from a swag perspective now because I have stolely about
how a long snapper drips out.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I mean, he's got it down.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He took me through the process.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He took me through.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Thet Yeah, you know, he talks about it. He talks
about it. What's it like dripping out in the Seahawks uniform.
You got you have some creativity to play with.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Yeah, you got some good colors. So it's like, you know,
you can throw a little neon in there, or you
know you can go like sometimes the black looks good too,
because our uniforms don't have too much white, like a
lot of gray in it, so black doesn't look bad honestly,
And then.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
You're in the white last night, I was wearing.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
White last night, I was. I was a little switch up.
Usually I don't wear white with the home uniforms.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But but I heard you're a black cleat guy.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Uh, would you were you a speed guy?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Clearly I'm not a bruiser.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Okay, so the issue with me is I am not
a speed guy.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm gonna follow up on this. So some funny stolely
gave us some insight.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Uh, through all of my my years watching film, the
the public thinks you look faster and white cleats.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You don't.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You don't on film, you look faster in dark cleats.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's a hot take. Going to tell me, that's a
hot tap.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
If anyone would know, it would be me.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
But I watched myself wearing black cleats versus white Claes.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
But you had it's not essential to what you're doing.
It is essential for me for me to look fast.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Hell, if I'm looking, if I look faster, can you just.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Hide being slow better in black cleats? Maybe is that
a that is that the sentence?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Maybe that's it? You just hide lack of it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It's deceiving, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I feel like Bobo is not honestly that slow like game.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Speed dude, I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Hey, that's a nice No, that's a bowler right there.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, it's like he's twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
No, you're a game speed guy, game speed. I don't
the boys.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Plenty of guys who don't run the best forties and
they they in best.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
How about the worst?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So but uh, Stolely said, make sure you bring up
the four nine nine that Bobo run.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
This is a direct quote.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
It was an official four nine one.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Take me through your forty.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Rainy d I mean, listen, was I told to not
run the forty?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Was it gonna help you? I mean you see it
on my head, A great chop wood carry water?
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I mean, what am I not gonna run?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Who's going to carry the boats if not me? That
I mean, I've been training for this thing for the
last four months, That's what I'm saying. I mean, we
did get.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
A monsoon in La. It was the first time I've
ever seen that.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So that was great timing, good good, good good, and
so yeah, I mean I was told to not run.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I'm gonna go ahead and run.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
And who told you have to run? Your trainer?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had it was it was probably
It's not a bunch of people regardless of weather conditions.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
They don't run.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, no, no, in the rain. They're like, dude, it's training.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
This is bad.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, you're gonna run that You're not? Well, I mean
I would well, did you have a tent outside?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Was outside? You see that they didn't have an indoor
because it doesn't rain in La.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I got a great follow up story for this.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
So it rains, and yeah, I was going to.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I was gonna The plan was to act like I
rolled my ankle in the broad jump.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah you don't. You're not.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You're not that guy.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And you know what, even if you did, I'm still running, right, Yeah,
I'm running.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, take that sucker up in this roll.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
So yeah, no, it wasn't fast. It was a four
nine one four nine nine. A few stop watches you
might have got.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I don't know. I wouldn't ask him.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, my brother just went through the pro DA experience
and it was raining in present, like mon.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Soon there we go, they have an indoor, no bring
the juice.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Being the brother that I am, knew that he, being
an undersized white wide receiver, needed to run fast, and
he at training was running like four three one four
two nine like he was. He was on that cuss
of tapping in the four and twoths. I rented a tent, yeah,
he did, in the stadium forty seven yards just so
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my brother could and all the other boys, and because
because there was layover of like guys who I played
with we're now.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Was like, you rented a tent just like a like
a strip like that forty seven yards long.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Prezio State's like, are you sure. I'm like, and I
have a great relationship with him. I do their pregame show.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, my brother we've played there ten years in a row.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Right, it's a family deal.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And I got for the golf tournament.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I always got to rent tents, so I'm like, hey, guys,
and they're looking at architecture and permits and I just
said cash right, But you know what, I want to
get to the hand time on Pro Day?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh yeah, why why are we still doing hand times
on Pro Day?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
We're trusting thirty two guys with stopwatches.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
And they just like the numbers from pro days are
honestly ridiculous. I mean, I don't know, like I ran
four six oh to like four six seven, so like.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Four six, four six, four six respectable like, but still
it's like and a backer.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
As a backer, like that's.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I mean, I wanted to hit in the four fives,
but four six oh yeah, dude, I wanted to hit
that dude very close to that.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But then I saw I heard four six seven to.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Like that that that range is just like it's annoying.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, then you hear rumors to that. Scouts call out
for other scouts. But in the moment, in the moment
as the guy running, you're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
There's bias, Like the scouts have biases, and then they
have like certain narratives about guys. I feel like that
they want to be right about Yeah, so like they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
This guy's fast. Yeah, look great, Yeah, looks.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
How fast this was?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Or if someone got a good time, maybe they you know,
while they're all discussing like what who what this kid ran?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
He might keep that time to himself.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And guys do yes, guys definitely do, especially pro day.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean the whole the whole thing's jackeda.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's so jacked do it's jacka just in general it's
I mean, if you can.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Play ball, you can play ball. Yeah, I understand why
you do it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
There's got to be.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Better tests to measure, like, I mean, we're still using
the same test that like we've used forever that there's
there's gotta be better methods.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think there's just the forty yard dash is the OG.
So what's your for?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Like you talk to a guy on an airplane, so
like what kind of forty are you? People don't realize
a four to six is humming fast, humming fast, And
then you see some like Florida State d N We're
like a four to four and you're like, that guy's
two eighty doing that. That's scary freakish, that's freak like.
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So we're talking about evolution in the game right now, Uh,
Chiefs Seahawks, we experienced a uh.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Measurement, an AI measurement.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, okay, and I know what fell in your
guys's favor while okay, let's let's air this out so
I get the overhead camera makes sense, right, we got
the skycam.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Right, We've got the tech to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
What I was confused off of is they were a
foot and a half short on the on the spot
of the ball. Yeah, it can a chain game, a
chain game would have spotted that out in what five seconds?
Just put it down, put it down and been like
this far I get for like one to two inches.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So did they.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Use it to like to get the spot of the
ball or did they use it to see if like
if we got it from the ref spot you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I don't know, Oh, like true spot.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is the spot?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Like That's what I was wondering, Like, are they are they?
Are they doing both?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Like they should be doing all of it. They should
even they should keep the normal chain game too. Yeah,
and maybe this is just me hot take. Doesn't it
feel like there's a lot more room for air at
this point? Like Vegas could call up some ref and
be like, hey, I.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Give them that first home or like exciting game.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We want to keep this drive alive, like you know,
like who the public is in the absolute not the
public anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Besides, they'll go office.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So I'm saying, and there's always the rumors of the
NFL scripted, but I think there's a little bit of
Heevan host.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
There's the mafia involved maybe, right.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
We want a game to go this way. Show who's
gonna sell tickets? We want to get views up. Caitlin Clark,
put her on prime time. We need her and Angel
Rees playing more often. You know, that's just that's you sell.
That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Get him in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It'd be a great little wall on one.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm sure they love to go do a little Oklahoma
drill against each other or something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, drag.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You said, we're watching your brother right now, Well not
right now, but he's on.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You have a brother in the league, and you guys
grew up together.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Tell me and again, like coming from a football family,
going grinding, it starts when you're six, you're competing, you're training.
You don't know what you're training.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
For, maybe exact six years old, but you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Know you're competing and then as football became an element
in your life, Like, how was that journey.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Growing up with the brother who pushed you and you
got to push you.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, it was really really cool.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
My dad played football too, he played college football, and
so we both I feel like, always looked up to him.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Right he was.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He flew in same build, same legs.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
But yeah, he flew in due and he took a
red eye, like he left in the third quarter, took
a red eye to Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
That could get that game.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Wow, man, grinder, Yeah, you'd love to see it.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, but it was just it was awesome. Like everything
that we did, like it was just a competition, right,
and he kind of set the path before me the standard.
You know, he's my older brother is a grinder like guy.
You know, earned everything that he has, a walk on guy,
and just like seeing his work ethic and trying to
like you know, model it in my own way.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's what's got me, you know, where I'm at.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
That ultimately came from our parents, you know them had
both having like athletic backgrounds. And we also have a
younger brother who plays quarterback in anc State. Hell yeah,
So yeah, I mean just seeing him take that and
like basically take it to another level.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, it does both of us. Like yeah, I mean
he can tell you, like we're.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Pretty we're pretty dialed in when it comes to like
all of us, the stuff that we're doing, what we're
eating everything, and like my little brother all right, but
but my little brother is taking it to another level.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
And it's just like cool to see, like.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Yeah, they our strength coach says, we're cooked up, like
we're not right in the head when it comes to
this stuff, and like my little brother is like the
epitome of that, and he's just like such a grinder
and it's this is the whole process, the journey. It's
been really cool to see how it's like basically worked
out in each of our favors in different ways, just
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based off like you know, straight work.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Honestly, do you think that you all went to NC
State because you wanted to follow each ultimately?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, So my brother walked on.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
He was going to play baseball in college initially, and
then he had a huge senior season in football, and
like the head coach, Dave Doran, ended up being at
one of our games to scout, Like me, our running
back two players on the other team, and he saw
my brother had like one hundred and fifty yards or whatever,
and so that opportunity came up and it was like
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my dad was a walk on and it worked out
for him. He ended up, you know, being a three
year starter at Marshall team captain all that won a
national championship with them, and so like just having that,
you know, experience, helped my brother, you know, feel comfortable
in making that move right.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And then once he was there, he had a great experience.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
He earned a scholarship within a year started or not started,
but got a lot of playing time behind Jacobi Meyers
his red shirt freshman year, and just seeing the success
he had, it was like ultimately like I was getting recruited,
but like, especially for my family, like there was no
other choice, right, Like that was the only choice.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
I mean we're super close and tight as a family,
and so yeah, that was the only choice for me.
And then following up, my little brother, like his choices
were even like he had no other choice.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, Like there's no.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Exploration of anywhere else because just what me and my
brother were able to do while we were at n
C State.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So that's awesome. You keep saying we're not all right.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What do you think is the most psychopath thing you
guys have attention to detail for that gives you that edge?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Dude? I mean me, For me, it's probably my diet.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I haven't had a carbs and so eight No.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I mean carbs, Carbs are important. So my fiance is
actually a dietitian. So she works in football too, and
so like she keeps my diet, like she helps me
a lot with that stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
But carbs, carbs are essential.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You gotta feel, gotta feel I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I feel like it's just like everything is we are.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
There's nice hard to pick out one thing that we're
like super dialed in because I feel like it's like
a lifestyle.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It's like we live our lives in a way that's
like he's.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Just a sick oh dude.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, he's good lift at the same time every day,
he's gotta do the same thing post practice. Like I
walk in he's on the BFR watching film of practice
that just ended no more than ten minutes ago. Yeah,
has to eat the same food at the same time.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
What else we got on there? I mean, he's gotta
wear the same just like, dude, come on, dude.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Kind of the same way. So there's some of that
in you.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, do you think coming out and being a undrafted
guy makes you have to have that chip, have that
competitive edge.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
On things for both of you?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah? Yeah, so I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, but I think I don't. I feel like you
don't necessarily have to, like you choose to. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I feel like that you don't got to.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
You get to me exactly, That's just what That's just
what I feel like gives me my advantage, right, Like
we're chasing edges, chasing edge edges our mantra, Yeah, chasing edge,
we're chasing edges.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
If you don't have it, you just won't make it. Yeah,
as an undrafted guy, right.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, you got unless you're just unless you're just like yeah,
so talented, you know, and have like I don't know,
it's hard to it's not you don't. You don't see
a lot of undrafted guys stick unless they're like dialed in,
right like, because the coach has got to see something
in you, And I feel like it starts with like
the way you approached the Yeah, So I think that's
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definitely important as an undrafted.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Guy going into like the draft process, did you, either
of you guys expect like what was your journey like?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Were you expecting to get picked up late round?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Was there?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Was there?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Love?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Was there?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Love lost?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
How'd you end up here?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well? Came out you were not.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, well we were thinking late rounds ran the four nine.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
All right, we're gonna go ahead and go undrafted here?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, probably, which I mean, dude, is a blessing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You get to pick your journey a little bit, pick
your journey.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
But you know, I might have not ended up in
Seattle in a great situation. And honestly, for me, I
don't know if there could have been a more perfect situation.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
For me. I'm a religious guy. So that was the plan.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
The plan was to run a four nine and let
God and let God do it. Dude, I mean, he's.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Got a plan, and you just say all right, and
I'm gonna go ahead and follow kind of where you
called me to go.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Ended up in a perfect situation under a great staff
and you know, great leadership, and so yeah, what I've
loved to have been a guy drafted, but I might
have not.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
I might not be sitting.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Here ring the juice in case, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I might not have been bringing the Jews.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I would.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I mean, I feel the same way about my journey
as him, like big in my faith.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
So like whatever happened was obviously you know, that's exactly
what was supposed to happen. But going through it, it
did not go how I expected at all. I just
came off of two like first team all ACC years
and I.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Had actually I left school early, I had an extra year.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
And like the feedback I got postseason, Usually coaches, I
feel like college coaches, they're quick to tell you, like,
you know, we want you back, come back, right, And my.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Coaches like basically didn't say that to me.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
They said that they couldn't ask me to come back
just because of like everything that I had done in
n C State, And they felt like I had a
really good shot at getting drafted into the NFL because
I told them I.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Was like, I don't want to declare and go undrafted.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah, if I have an extra year of college football left,
I don't want I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah. So the feedback I got.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Like I literally heard like third round and something from
some people. Fourth round, fifth round, I mean going literally
all the way like after pro day, same thing, top
thirty visits. I didn't get a combine invite, which was
a little bit you got invited. Yeah, didn't get a
combine invite, So there was.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
A little a little surprised. You should have just ran
your forty there.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, probably you know, lasersay.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Away from the last, but yeah, I like didn't get
the combine invite, and I was kind of like that
was kind of the start of like okay, like that's like, yeah,
that's not what was expected. And then but I was
still going on thirty visits with teams like I'm on
I'm on draft boards. I'm basically expecting like a four
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to five round grade. Yeah, like I'm that's what my
agent's telling me. Thinks I'm gonna be gone, you know,
fourth round, fifth ground, right, And it's like the way
it worked out, it was just like seemed like the
teams that really liked me, they picked guys super early,
so I was probably like a Day three guy on
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their board, but they got their Day one and Day
two guys, so it was like, you know early. I
was like okay, I don't I don't know how this
is going to go. But even like you know, day three,
like through the entire draft, I'm thinking like at some
point I'm gonna get picked up, until so I didn't
and then it's like you gotta make a decision so fast.
(22:56):
It's the craziest thing ever, And like I should have
done more, you know, research about like you know, when
I went undrafted, like or if I went undrafted, but
I ended up like just choosing a situation and I
got there and it was like.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It was rough.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
It was rough, like his like how he talked about
how he walked into like the perfect situation. It was
that was not my experience at all. It was like
really coming from like the ground up. It was like
there was nothing there like that I had no leverage
or no nothing to work on, and it was like
I walked in like the coaches don't even know my name.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
In the back of my head, I'm like, I just
left school early for like for this.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
But you know, like he said, you know, God has
a plan.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I had to go through that, right, and I learned
a lot and eventually ended up in Seattle, which has
been a great situation.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
So you know, it all happens for a reason of.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Things ever come easy, right, And I think the guys
who make it out are the guys who just keep
on going. You know, you see that one the one
meme of the guy acts and trying to find the diamonds,
you know, swink couple more times and maybe you're going
to hit something. But and you know what too, like
this this game, it's such a business. In college, it's
(24:22):
in high school, it's a business now. It's a business
all the way up. And it's sometimes it's a number game.
Sometimes things work in your advantage. Injuries come into play
at times where it's like, you know, when you're the
guy hurt, it's because someone else at the end of
day is getting your reps that take your job. But
also maybe you're the guy healthy that day and you're
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getting your opportunity, right, So you just got to keep
chopping wood, carry and water and and and show it up.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It's a long game.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's the long game. It's the long hal.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Stay available long enough and then you get that you
got to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
The best abilities availability a lot at the times, for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think, uh, you know your draft day.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Story, it's it is crazy how fast like the Uda
faced stuff happens. I experiened with my brother this year
and he was in a similar situation where coming from
Fresno State's like smaller school, less hype, didn't get the
combined invite, played in one of the BS you know,
all star games, and uh, you don't know they certain
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teams are can we like you?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
We like you, we like you?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And we were My parents, being a football family, were like,
we're we want to know what's happening. We had the basement,
big old post it notes, who's on staff, what's their contract, like,
who's who's talking to him, who's calling and ultimately like
draft wasn't even over yet, but the teams that were
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the start calling calling, They're calling, hey, hey, we want this,
and starts for this amount of money, then that amount
of money. And it's also like are we just chasing
like an extra twenty five grand?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But the wrong situation probably isn't work with it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
But he had a couple of teams on the on
the table and his agents like you have thirty seconds
to decide, you have thirty seconds to the sky decided,
And there's like one hundred people in my parents' living
room we walk into our childhood bedroom and he's like, bro,
and I'm not going to burn all the situations, but basically,
there was one successful team and there was one really
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unsuccessful team and not great quarterback play. And I was
just like, dude, let's get some good quarterback. You're a receiver,
let's go go do what you gotta do and system.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And also similar, like you said, a guy, if they
draft someone from your position group in an early round,
like you really don't want to go there at that
point because they're going to put that first second round
guy above a sixth round any opportunity. That's what I'm saying.
So do you want to be putting that situation? But
it's a grind. Is there a guy on your guys
journey so far that's like helped elevate you to become
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a PhD influence.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
A bunch of guys?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
I feel like you just kind of look around and
see the guys that are successful.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's a reason that's successful.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, could you pin twenty one?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You think? I mean an easy one?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
It's kind of a cop out, and soid I feel
like it's Bobby Wagoner right, Like that's like he was
the epitome of what it means to be a pro. Right,
and everybody will say that's literally what everybody says about
Bobby in the Seahawks building, like the ultimate pro. I mean,
there's a reason why he's having success in your year?
What is this fourteen for them?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You're gonna have mold. He had like one hundred and
fifty tackles last year.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Yeah, that's crazy, Like this consistency in his regiment just
like that's why he's able to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So yeah, Bubbo, I mean I had to in DK
and Locke talking earlier about the kind of perfect situation.
The way those guys took care of the younger receivers matters,
Like you hear whatever. NFL's a business, you know, it's cutthroat, dude.
We stepped in that building and it was like immediately
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one of the boys, a couple of big brothers. Yeah,
it's huge.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
It's huge for me. Jackson was in the same class
as I was. I mean just those guys. Don't get
me wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
DK is you know, on the field headcase at times,
but the way he like he.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Worked his tail on.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, grinder, bro.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
You see some guys that have success, like there's there's
a few like that are at the top that are
just like.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Just like talented physically players.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Exactly, like they've been like this their entire lot, right,
Like they've had it like just whatever that is, whether
it's speed, size, whatever, knacks for the ball, like they
just have been that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
But like d he's in there six am, six am,
lifts every week from the start of camp till week eight.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Team.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Nothing's too big for him.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
No practice is hard practice, this is hard.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So I mean just to see a guy who has
been physically talented his whole.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Life, it still works the way he doesn't probably have
to work the way he works like he's gifted, obviously
we see that, but he would work like regardless, right,
And that's that was cool to see.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, that's easy to follow that too, right, Like it's
just you want to get behind a guy like that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Totally, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, but you have a nonprofit I've learned. Yes, how
did that come about?
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Are you the bigger than ball?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean unfortunately, my dad passed.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Two years year and a half, two years cancer at
fifty five, and he was just everybody thinks their dad.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
As a man.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
This guy was the man just had coached me my
whole life, taught me everything I know about the game
of football. But the thing about him was his whole
deal for us growing up and for me as I
got into college ball and started looking even the next
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level was he'd.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Always say this student trove me nuts.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Football is what you do, it's not who you are,
Like there's always got to be something bigger. For him,
it was his faith, Like I don't care if your
Super Bowl, MVP, thousand yard seasons, that will never be
what fulfills you in terms of what you want to
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do for your life and who you are as a man.
And so my biggest thing with that is in my
mom honestly is is the captain of that ship is
just helping those less fortunate. At first, it started out
as we want to help high school kids who are.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Less socioeconomically.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Gifted to get to college camps because I was a
guy that I needed to go to camp to get recruited,
and so to help guys at whether it's my high school,
high schools in the in the greater Boston area, that
was the original kind of go to and then it
kind of just turned into we want to fund charity
organizations that are helping just inspire youth on field and
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then off and so we kind of started that. This
last year had our own golf tournament, which was great.
So shout out mom for she's she's running the show
on that deal. But it's been it's been really cool
so far.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Your original no, no, no, that's I wanted to give
you opportunity to plug it, man, because that's that's that's huge.
We I mean, like I said, we are golf is for
a nonprofit and it's exact same thing where you know
in our area, there's.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
There's a lot of pockets.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
There's pockets with a lot of a lot of financial backup,
there's other pockets where it's like what's it gonna be?
And you know, like in Fresno they have this thing
called dB Guru and like Xavier Worthy, my brother and
Tory all were on it the same class in the
area and they have like seven other dudes that are
in the league now.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And I was part of it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But like they there was a lot of like my
mom bring in six kids in our suv to get
recruited and we come home and like there'd be four
offers in the car you know, and it's dope because
now they excel in college and they're in the NFL.
But I'm just all about like the equipment side of things.
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There's so many people that don't even have a fighting
chance because it's like they don't have anything. And I've
branched it now to where like it's all words. Obviously
we're a football family, so you try to lean into that.
But it's awesome and uh, I just know how hard
it is to like launch a nonprofit do do uh
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do like the the paperwork and all that, but also
looking a golf course, getting the people there, if you
want some of your boys to come to build hype.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like coordinating that and uh, people.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Who it's it's one thing, Yeah, it's it's one thing
to to like say you want to I know a
lot of guys that say they want to do it.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But when I was doing my research and I saw you.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like are actually doing it, got to tip my hat
to you on that. That's that's a big thing. So no,
I uh, I very much know how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You anything good man, good? I think I'm good to.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I appreciate you guys, stay fired up, good luck this
year and hope to get you guys.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
That's to the golf journeys.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There go baby
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