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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I appreciate Hall of Famer Steve Atwater for joining us
(00:03):
in the last hour. Misty part of that you go
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Did any updates on the new episode? Still in the work?
Still in the works?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Okay, all right, well, we will bring you that breaking
news when we have it.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We do have some other breaking news for you, however.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Bronco's offensive coordinator Davis Webb has received his first request
for a head coaching interview as the Las Vegas Raiders,
who are already interviewing Broncos defensive coordinator Advance Joseph, will
be interviewing Davis Webb as well. And while this is
technically a head coaching interview, I suspect it is actually
more of an offensive coordinator interview for Vance Joseph.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You know, this is very interesting because usually we don't
see teams like they never trade right within their own division.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And to have Davis Webb go.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
There, obviously, you know questions are going to be asked
to get his coaching philosophies, what he would do, how
would he change their quarterback situation? What would we do
with their offense? So the Raiders, or any coach with
any team for that matter, you're getting basic intel on
maybe some of the teams that you would face, but
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in this case, a team that is well within your
own division. So for me, how does Davis Web actually
go through that interview and answer some of those questions without.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Giving a little nuggets. That's why teams do this.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
If you look at the Broncos history and some of
the things that they did, look at some of the
players that they interviewed and some of their not in
this last cycle, but when they when they hired Hacket,
look at how many guys from division that were division
coaches that they interviewed that weren't real interviews. You're just
trying get a little intel in the division. You had
an excuse to do it. Davis Web doesn't have the
network built up to hire a staff at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I wouldn't think, no, he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But it got me to think, in the moment that
you read that breaking news, let's just say, and I
know Steve didn't want to talk about it. Ryan doesn't
want to talk about it. No one wants to talk
about it. About it, but it is a real life situation.
Let's just say, for the sake of argument, if that
were to happen and Davis Webb were to join the
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Raiders as being part of fans showed some coaching staff
for the Las Vegas Raiders, how interesting would that make
the two games every single year known as though David's Webb.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
If Davis Webb and Vast Joseph went to the Raiders,
Oh dude, like, I'm so like the Raider rivalry would
be back at that point, you like, and you and
I know, like we're not saying certain things. I think
fans could pick up on some things that we talk
about without saying them.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
The rivalry would be back.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It would be so interesting for so many different reason
being as though these two guys, both vancers Up and
Davis Webb, were part of whatever climactic in that takes
place with the Broncos in twenty twenty six to finish
up the twenty twenty five season, that would be very
very interesting and just moved the needle just further, just
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hypothetically thinking or even say.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Devil's advocate, if you will.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We still have certain players on this Broncos roster who
play on the Demons' side of the ball who have
yet to receive an extension, Justine Schernard being one of them,
and I think the other John Franklin Myers.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
A couple of guys out there is Zach Allen, the
guy who's followed just signed a big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I have to look because I can't remember. I was
look at this the other day to see when he
could get out frounder them. But he has been Zach
Allen has been a favorite of Van Joseph mean, Zach
Allen was a guy back in Arizona who was a
you know, a big big Advance Joseph guys as Joseph
was his guy.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Joseph was the guy who brought him along. Joseph was
his big advocate.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's the thing that Vance has done is he's, you know,
over the years, he's found guys, you know, as far
as that stuff goes, He's he's done a really good
job of finding guys. He's got an eye for talent.
Uh you know, it's his recommendation to bring in Brandon Jones,
his you know, Zach Allen was.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Was his move. You know, he's been a guy who's
found talent over the years.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It looks like we can't we can't move on from
Zach Allenson after next year, at least not via via
cut now trade uh same, so you could technically trade
him next year. But you know, Zach Allen's a guy
who's who loves Vance. Joseph that's the guy that I
don't want to say found him but kind of and
and Ha has advocated for him throughout his time at
Arizona non Denver. So you you wonder if you'd ultimately
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lose that after a year. But you mentioned, you know,
the free agents. Yeah, Alex Singleton justin Sternad, I think
DJs probably gone after this year. Is not a free agent,
but I think he's probably gone after this year. And
you know, so I think that there are guys that
that could wind up over there if Vance were to
get the Raiders job.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, here's another thing just to keep in consideration, because
we're all are talking about hypothetical's right, and I think
we're still at the point where we can talk about
hypotheticals because we're not that far from free agency frenzy.
The draft all that stuff that comes along when you
look at the Raiders in cap space right their second
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behind the Tennessee Titans. Like the Tennessee Titans had about
maybe more than one hundred and thirteen million, the Raiders
have one hundred and ten.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So they have a lot of cap space.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, the one thing that they have done is clear
up a lot of cap space, and so that's you
know that, and that's a selling point for them. The
Raiders have got some other stumbling blocks. I mean, you
do have the number one pick, and that's enticing. However,
this is a week quarterback class with you know, Mendoza
and maybe more both guys that that are graded lower
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than a traditional top overall picks. I mean, you know,
Mendoza is great, is I just I just thought about that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So you think about Davis Web and the thing that
makes Davis Web so alluring is because look at what
the Broncos are do right now and you look at
the development of bow Nicks.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Over these two years.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I've always said this, the one guy that has
the most influence over the quarterback is not necessarily the OC.
It is a quarterback coach. Because you're with that guy
every single day. So you look, the Raiders are probably
looking and Tom Brady being you know, part of that
ownership over there. Now, how do we get a Fernando
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Mendoza up to speed because you got to think that
with the Raiders have a number one pick overall, he's
going to be selected first.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, I mean, maybe we'll see Dante Moore, I don't wage,
and maybe come out he.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Might be the guys Mendoza. Well, we'll see. I mean,
I'll put it to you this way. There's not a
consensus number one right now. I mean media, but there's
amongst the.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Scouts that I talk to, there is not a consensus
number one.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
While it might not be a consistence number one, if
we were to just.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Look at I wouldn't take either one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, why not been because I don't want Andy Dalton
and a huge project.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So you're saying the project is Dante Moore, Yes, and
Andy Dalton is Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yes, I think he's.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think I think Fernando Mendoza is the poor man's
Kirk Cousins. I think he's he is more between Andy
Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Who is who Mendoza is to me,
the arm strength is not necessarily there. I mean, he's
got a little mobility than you think he does. But uh,
and I love him.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Miss.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I mean, he's gonna guys just gonna interview off the charts.
But in terms of the physical limitations that he has,
there are some there. He also freezes up when you rotate,
Like when you rotate covers he like watch watch the take.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He freezes up when you rotate.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
We've seen quarterbacks who have if you want to call
a weak arm or as they say, not an NFL arm,
become Hall of Fame play like Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Is not as strong as Tom Brady solid arm. No,
none of those guys had like rocket arm.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Was Brie hit like sixty miles an hour on the
radar gun like he's he's got a rockets a Baker Mayfield, man,
he's got a rockets small that.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Mean he's weak an He's not Chad Pennington out there.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
When do these scouts realize that playing quarterback at the
NFL level is more about the mental side of it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, well it's actually.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I mean there is that, but there's physical traits that
are involved to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, well look look for me, okay, for me, if
a guy didn't have a rocket or NFL arm. Now
I'm looking at, well, where's his anticipation?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Where what?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What has to be good because otherwise he wouldn't be
okay more, what does the footwork look like? Yeah, well
you could clean that up. But I'm just saying, like,
look at the mental look at the mental part of
midills his game ball when they rotate cover to it,
watch watch what happens when they when they rotate over
the cover. He freezes up on this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Okay, man, he's what I can say. He's ball placement
is bar none.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Those are pretty accurate football. I'm not trying to knock
the kid. I'm just trying to say, like I wouldn't
if I had the number one overall pick. I'm trying
to sucker somebody else in to come it up and
getting it. I'm stockpiling picks. I'll go get Kyler Murray
a free agency for a bridge here, and then we're.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Going all in on arch Manning next year. No, I'm
not doing Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, I already had Kyler may already already had it, already.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Made that connection. I'm so mad at myself. What never
hasn't done it before. I'm surprised. I was sitting right
there the whole time. Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yes, but I mean, but this is my boe and
this is my thing. Like and I get into this
with people on on the internet all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's just you don't take a quarterback just to take
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You either you believe that that guy is an unquestioned
franchise going to be a top five quarterback in the
NFL someday, or you pass on it because if you
don't believe he's the guy, why are you why are
you recreating? Because you're creating a whole offense this guy.
You get some players for this guy. Here's you're three
years of some some of mediocrity. That's the worst thing
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you can do is be sort of competitive with a guy,
but he can't carry you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You're the Bengals for Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But the reason in situation is the way it is
because the quarterback position for so many years has been
propped up as being the most.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Value it is.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It is.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Then you told if you have more than one, then
you don't have a gun.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well that but you don't eat, right, So so.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Team's philosophy look at cliveland Bruns.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
If you don't have the direction with it, and that
was and that was the worst thing with the other direction,
just drafted a bunch of bad ones.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
But yeah, I mean they Billy Dabriel stunk, you know.
I mean, like Joe.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Flackham was the best quarterback they had last year and
then they trade him in the in the division, Like
you don't draft they even if you have the one
or two pick and you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You don't invest that pick in a guy.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Unless you believe he is absolutely the dude. And if
he's not, trade back, get some other sucker to get
up there, trade back, and have ammunition for when you
do find a guy you believe.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
They sucker themselves into this concept of saying, okay, well,
we only have a few guys in his draft, and
every year you have about four or five, and not
every draft is this draft has two and both of
them are kind and you don't.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Have a great draft with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But it's like if your quarterback didn't do well and
you're drafting in the top five. So the idea is
that you have to go out and draft the quarterback
and it's just like, no, if you don't.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Know, I don't believe that you do. Okay, we're the
same side of this. How do't that you do?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Because to me, it's like, okay, well, you're building a team. Yeah,
because if you put all your chips on a quarterback
and it doesn't work, someone's getting fired. Well and if
he stinks, then what are we doing here? So why
don't I draft great players? Why don't I go? Guy kidding,
there's a stub receiver, Let me go get that guy,
Jeremiah Love the running back, let me go.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Then when I find the quarterback, look what I got
around around and then you got the guy off. I
got receivers, I got a running back, I got you know, I've.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Got all the pieces already there. I could plug this dude. Yeah,
But some ZM stats like if I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The Jets, there's no way I'm tough trying to sucker
somebody to come and get that two pick, all those
the first rounders I got, I'm kicking the can down
the road to next year and I'm going all in
on arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Then if you're going to.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Do that, then you have to have a bridge quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So you go get a Kyler Murray, a guy who
can get you through a season, but ke the fields.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
But Kyle is not going to one to do. He's
probably gonna want maybe a two years, so.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You sign him to a stupid two year deal and
it's all frontloaded and the Justin Fields deal pretty much,
you know, because that's what they try to do with fields,
except the field sucks out loud.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
No.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
My problem for the Jets is if you're the head
coach there, you're not going to be there for another.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Year for someone else.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's why you have to have that that plan with
the owner of the GM and the coach have got
to be organizationally aligned on it. You also can't be
the Jets where you lose every game badly like that
embarrass yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Right, You're right, because in some of those games you
at least have to show that there's a level of
improvement and you at least.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Repete we're building towards your building to we just gotta
find the guy, like right now we're using this. We
got to find a guy. So maybe not Conn, maybe
you go get Jameis Winston. So it's a little more obvious,
but you need somebody that can win you football games.
You know that you could be petitive in football games
even if you don't believe he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Once again, the easy way is understanding, and it's hard
for to get people to change their mind once they
are dead set on something. And I can tell you
a lot of front office people are that way because
now they come up, they came up through the rings.
Now they're in charge. They want to make their own decisions.
But it's like, well, you're building a team. I know
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the quarterback is an important piece. It is not the
only piece, because if you don't have protection up front,
you can forget about it. If you don't have guys
outside who can create space, or receivers who are willing
to block or cam blot, you can forget about it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
As they say in New York, it's awful gaizy at
that point, right, look at who that nation. They got
all that stoc poal.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know, money invested in all those offensive players, and
their defense isn't worth two Dad Fly smashed.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Hef Burrow's healthy. This year we're in Super Bowl contention,
and I.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Don't agree with that. See to, saying it right doesn't
make it real. Right. It is because hey, you can
have a guy who's already been there before.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
But you know, guess what if your opponents scored forty five,
you gotta.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Score fifty five. Yeah, I look, end of the day.
My point here is we've got way off track on this,
but that's fine. My point here is, if you're the Raiders,
you've got some attractive options here because you've got that
number one pick, you know, and you've got options with that.
You've got a few pieces. You got a Max Crosby,
you got to brock Bauers, you know, Janty, you know,
you've got a few pieces. I think that the Raiders
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problem here is you fired five head coaches in five years,
and so if you're anybody taking that job, you're demanding
a six year contract.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Because actually, someone like Van's right, anybody it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Fully guaranteed you you're doing exactly what Kyle Shanahan did
when he took the Niners job, because they've been back
to back. They just fired Harball, then they fired Jim
tom Sula, then they fired Chick Kelly, and back to
back three back to back years, and Kyle Shannehan went
in there with John Lanch. They said, look fully guaranteed
six year deals. That's that's what we're doing, six year
deals at this number. And the reason it's got to
be that number is because I need you to not
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be able to fire me because you're paying all this
money so I have job security to build this thing.
Kyle Shanahan only won what twelve games in his first
two years. It took to that third year when the
rebuild popped a year early actually because they were really
planning out for your four, but it popped your early
in year three.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And you know, they went to that super Bowl and lost.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know what, It's funny you say that, and it
makes me mad because I was there in the years
where they were not that good.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I wasn't there. They go to the super Bowl?
You were the Jinks.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
No, just kidding. Always says he was the Jakes up
until this year. Rick Jas and le Broncos anymore. We
gotta hit a break. We'll be back after this. Sean
Keiler from the Denver Post going to join us in
the next segment, looking forward to uh so they always
left having shot on SHOT's funny he you know, hey,
we got.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
A chance to chat with him. I think he was
driving it through Nebraska, so I guess he.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Made it back unscathed, was the the savage backcountry known
as Nebraska, and back to the civilized world.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I have apologies to all listeners in Nebraska. I'm just
messing with you. But he texted me when I booked
him this morning.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
He said, be good to talk while my brain isn't
fogged by Nebraska runs as there you go, eight oh
five is great.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
There you go. Yeah. So I love talking to Sean.
We'll get a chance to talk to him coat off
top of the hour.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
A lot of stuff happening yesterday and today, Black Monday,
Black Tuesday, and the NFL may not be done yet.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Talked about that last night a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
There are now seven head coaching vacancies, as John Harbaugh
was let go by the Baltimore Ravens today and for
eighteen seasons. Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin now the two
longest tenured head coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Tom and of course the longest with the Steelers. Reid
has been with the chief since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But if I asked you who the fourth longest tenured
head coach was in the NFL, feel free to guess
who it is the fourth longest. Yeah, after Mike Tomlin
and after Andy Reid, Sorry, after my top third longest,
after Mike Tomlin and Andy Reid. Who is the next
longest tenured head coach in the NFL? Who has been
with thirteen the longest. I know the answer to this,
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and I don't think anybody would believe me if I
wasn't telling you in.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
This context would be Todd Bowles is not bran You
have any guesses? I'm bracking my brain and right off
the I think Todd Bowles is read and Tomlin are comin?
Is number one? Rest number two? Who's number three?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Who's number three? Oh? Would be Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It is not well, that's last chance for Grant to
get a guess in I'm gonna be wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's it's only so many because I'm thinking Sean McVay.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Nope, Kyle Shanahan there it is. It is Kyle Shanahan
has actually been there the longest, really has been there
the longest. That's shows you how much turnover there is
in the NFL. So that's what I was trying to
get at.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Most people don't think of Kyle Shanahan as a very
long tenured coach, but he's been there quite some time.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't know what Wait a minute, Bay came the
year after? Was it? I think?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Okay, I took a back double check. I think it
was the year after, because.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I'm thinking, like, well, I think the McVeigh might have
been in with the Rams before that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I will check for you right now, tell you what,
because I'm pretty sure McVeigh came the year after. McVeigh
came in twenty seventeen, and I'm pretty sure Kyle Shannan
came in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I'm looking at him. I was close anyway, looking it
up right now, I'll tell you Kyle Shanahan was.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I was twenty seventeen, but he was actually hired a
few days before, so that all they say about being close,
Nick yep, so.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You were technically right here.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
They both coached the same season. However, Kyle Shanahan was
hired first, So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, no, gret I did a whole lot better than
you did. You didn't even give Hi a tick.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I got it right, he got right, he was hired.
Kyle Shannon was hired first, So you were.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Both correct in the same year. Dude, to spit it
out though I said it. It just took me longer.
You just got three wrong before I got one right.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Because okay, so I well, through the process of elimination
made it easier for you correct down on the list.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Bingo, I gotta guy. It's called strategic Oh that's what
we be calling it now.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, it's a strategy that is uh yeah, Kyle shanahan
Sean McVay uh same same year.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So they're both technically correct in this in this exercise.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But they are the longest tenured head coaches Sean McVay
at Kyle shanahan or the longest tenured head coaches in
the NFL. Third longest tended head coaches in the NFL,
after Mike Tomlin and Andy Ree. That was just fascinating
to me because you don't think of either one of
those guys as having been there all that long.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's how lovely the turning Bernie is. In the NFL.
We saw Rahee Marris get fired after two seasons. Now.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Honestly, man, the Falcons won those last four games. They
finished tied for first in their division and didn't get
to go to the playoffs because of tie breakers. That
one was a little suspect to me. I thought that
was Trent in the right direction. But they were definitely
firing Terry font Note. So I think what they did
there was just, hey, we're just cleaning house. We're gonna
let Matt Ryan committed to be the president of football.
Ops they've got They'll hire a GM and a head
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coach and go from there. And I wouldn't be surprised
if he and cunning Handle's a GM and koobiek was
he was the head coach.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
How much do you think of that was the pain
of Kirk Cousins and then drafting Michael Pennix compared to
the onfield stuff. I mean obviously, well if they would
have went like twelve and five, it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And by the way, Terry Final might end up here.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's a long time Sean Peyton guy. Look, they I
Final made some mistakes. He tampered with Kirk Cousins, He
didn't have all the info on his injury when he
when he signed him a huge you know when they
signed him to that deal, and then they go out
they draft Michael PENNICKX and Pennix has not been it
you know, they draft him.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
That early and he has not been it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Uh so far, You've got all those skill position players
they haven't been able to use. You know, Zach Robinson
is the OC was probably a mistake, whether that's on Morris,
whether it's on the GM or not. You know, put
some pressure on him to make a move. There were
just mistakes made and fount Out had some pretty pretty
crappy drafts. He's got a couple of hits, I mean obviously,
but those hits are usually guys he backdoored his way into.
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You know, you couldn't miss drafted Bijou when you drafted,
and you couldn't miss drafted Pits when you drafted him.
Although Pitts hasn't been as productive as they would have
liked in that offense. So yeah, same thing with Drake London.
Like all those guys were just right there and fell
in their laps. So I don't you know, end of
the day, I think they just decided. Arthur Blank is
getting up there in years, he's like eighty two. Now
he's getting up there. He's wanting to get harrorball.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, well that's he's on the radar. Stefanski Harbor on
the radar, but I think they wind up with Koobiek.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You know what when you really think about it, And
I know Raheen Morris he was.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
An intern when I was with the New York Jets.
And when you.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Think about week seven to week eleven, so you lost
like five games in a row, and I think that's
kind of where aren't to Blank sourd on the combination
of funding and rahee Morris And I know once again
they beat Tampa, Arizona, the Rams and New Orleans to
close the season.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
But I think Arthur Blank at.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
That point he had to make a decision right either
wire going and when whether it's a coach, GM or
owner makes this decision regardless of what fans think, sometimes
you have to cut bait. You have to see, you know,
or forecast whether what's going to happen and make some
of these tough decisions and grant hit it. I think
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that was one of the issues losing games from seven
to week eight and then a whole Michael Pennix hold
tobacco with Kirk Cousins that kind of put a strain,
you know, on the organization and known as though you
are in the NFC South Division, that's right. Carolina didn't
really separate themselves. Not that did Tampa Bay, even though
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at the beginning of the season it looked like Tampa
Bay was going to run away with him.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Say, Tampa's won the division the last few years and
all that kind of stuff, but it hasn't really been vincent.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That division has been up for grabs for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Like if you wanted to say, man, correct me if
I'm wrong, if there was an easy division, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
The one Pro Sports. Yeah, it's the NFC South. Yeah,
I mean even.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The AFC North that I should be East has gotten
difficult now, you know, with the Patriots and the Bills.
He used to be an easy one team division now,
you know. I mean even in Miami's not a pushover
over the The Jets suck. But you know, beyond that, yeah,
I would say it's the easiest division in football. And
yet you had three teams finish up tied at the top,
and the Saints all of a sudden looking like they
might be the most competitive team next year based on
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what we saw.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And I know you mentioned, you know, John Harbaugh, but
you said you mentioned something about Clint Kubiak, and I
like that and I like it for this particular reason.
Remember when Gary Kubiak was with the Minnesota Vikings and
Clint was a quarterbacks coach, he had a lot of
time to work with who Kirk Cousins. When his father
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stepped away, Clint became And if you go back and
look at Kirk cousins statistics during that time, he had
one of his best statistical years as a quarterback under
Clint Kubiak. And you already got a Vjon Robinson. You
may have to sign Kyle pittsbag, you got Drake London.
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So when you look at the pieces that are in place,
they look great. And oh, by the way, the Atlanta
Falcons have already experienced a version of the Mike Shanahan offense.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
When Kyle Shanahan was with Dan Quinn, he had met
Ryan at the Helm.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And if you're saying that Mett Ryan went to the
Super Bowl is going to be somewhere working in football operations.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That offense doesn't exist in that division either. Canallas doesn't
run it. No, Kellen Moore doesn't run it. And what's
his name over there at Grizzard doesn't run it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Could you imagine he's the only version of that.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
The only the only team in that division that would
be using that offense.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Listen, I know a bunch of friends live in atl
We've been on the text threat.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Some of them are hoping that it is blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
They have another experience with that offense too, when it
punched him in the mouth in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yes, it did, it did, sure did, right, But well, I.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Was talking about John Elway and Terrell Davis. Yes, yes, Well.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When you think about it and you say, well, what
what how can you revitalize Kirk cousins career. You're already
have so much money invested in it, and that Michael
Pittsy is still on a rookie deal and he's injured
to start.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
To see al right, well, and he's always injured though,
I mean he's been he's been injured.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
This is going back to high school. That dude is
always hurt.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
What could you imagine as talented as Jon Robinson is,
you put him in that offense and the Christian McCaffrey
rode look out.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, look out MVP next year. Yeah, they walk away
with the with the division. And they've got some talent too.
They don't have a first round pick this year.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But they got what's his name, the edge rusher their
jerkins or whatever his dress or day and the address
that they got h He had ten and a half
sacks a rookie year. So I think everybody's you know,
everybody's taking that they don't have a first rounder. They're
also up against some cap issues, but they can get
they can get forty million under with about three cuts.
So uh, but I think Atlanta is one of the
most attractive, you know openings.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Baltimore is obviously going to be attractive opening.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
The Giant's attracted for a few different reasons, but there's
also some trepidation there. And then you start getting to
the other openings, whether that's the Raiders. Yeah, they've got
a bunch of cast bases in the one pick, but
they also have a history of being a very you know,
fickle organization in terms of getting rid of coaches. You've
got Arizona and Cleveland dragging the rear there with you know,
with ownership.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
That's a mass.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
And they got some good defensive pieces too as well,
because they have a Caden Ellis yeah on their team
playing middle linebacker just like his brother Jonas they do
a great job covering those running backs out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, Atlanta's got pieces, but it's it's one of those
things where I'm like, all right, we're gonna see how
this thing shakes out. The hardball thing throws a wrench
in it, and I'm not one hundred percent sure the
Tampa doesn't make a switch or Miami doesn't make a switch.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Here and fire head coach trying to get involved in
the GM search. I know he's he said that, he's
actually not, He's not.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's a way to be like, I'm I'm keeping my job.
I'm He's not in the room for that at all.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
The people that are in the room for that are
Steven Ross, Stephen Ross's son in law.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Uh, there's there's CFO guy.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Uh what about jam Kelly Champ got fired earlier the year.
Champce the guy that's who they're replacing Cham. I'm sorry,
Champ Chance the inswered Chance involved. It's he Champs one
of the guys being interviewed for all this.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Who else is there?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Steve Ross, his son, the CFO, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman,
and somebody else.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
There's a six guy there, But those are the six guys.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, first of all, I'm thinking of being growing up
being a Miami fan. You already have Dan Marino. Why
do we need Troy Aikman to come in and help out?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
One? Got some ownership in the Dolphin? Ye, he's got
he does, and and I think he's minority owner. Yeah,
they're both.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They're both minority owners, both former you know, it's all
FA football players.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And I feel a little slighted. Marino had, you know,
had a job there for a minute. It was like
the you know, the whatever it was. He had a
job there for a minute. I don't do that anymore.
But you gotta get some super Bowl winning experience in
the room.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Oh wowow did get there?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I said winning? He did? He did? Wow. I was
just kidding. And that clipped out of my talk about winning.
Talk about a Bengals Super Bowl champions next year. I mean,
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with what defense? I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Joe Burrow is gonna come back and play right now?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Real quick, guys, who got a few minutes left in
this segment. It's that time of the year, beginning of
the year where we go back over stuff we we
whiffed hard on and stuff we want to pump our
chest about Uh that happened throughout the season last year.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I gotta take a I gotta take a lap.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And uh, uh say I thought Dallas, you know, I
talked about Dallas and how they were going to be
much improved and Washington was gonna take a step back.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think that that more or less happened. Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And then I got to sit there and take me
heth this giant played a crow on Colin Arizona to
win the NFC West when they are the only team
for the NFC West not to make the playoffs and
finish third worst team in the league.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Tough year for the Cardinals and your boy. Yeah, well
he's gone now. So yeah, well for me.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know what, at the start of the season, I
predicted the Broncos would win, you know, ten games. I
had no idea that they would get to that fourteen mark.
I said, at best, maybe eleven twelve pushing it. So
I'm happy to see that they proved me wrong on
that one. Not because I was being a debute downer,
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but just because I knew the field in the row
would be so difficult for them. Also, when I looked
at Javonte Williams. When he was here, a lot of
people criticized him, and I didn't know he was going
to perform the way that he performed in Dallas more.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Than twelve hundred yards rushing on the ground.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I expected him to get to like maybe six seven hundred,
not twelve hundred yards. Well, one thing I can say
that I was hopeful for at the beginning of the
season and it came to fruition and they made me right.
Was Sam Darnold in the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, you did. You called that one.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
How about Javonte Man? How awesome is that? I mean,
you know, you wish you would have produced like that
in Denver. But to see a former Bronco that really
had a tough time here and went through that injury
to bounce back in that way.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, it was so cool to see a secret weapon
up there in Dallas. So, by the way, fired their
defensive quarter Matt Eberflus. They're they're looking in ice two
Broncos names that would be the best for that job.
Jim Leonard advanced Joseph But I will say Vance's doing
head coach interviews right now, so it's it's not downe
to that, But how.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Much would that say about Vance Joseph's relationship with Sean
Payton if he left the Broncos then took over the
DC and Dallas. I, first of all, it would not
surprise me in the least.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But I'll leave it at that for now. And well,
we'll see. I think he's gonna get a head coaching job.
We'll see beyond that, though, I will say, Clayton Adams,
who had Arizona on that tear last year, the Arizona
Cardinals were number one in the NFC West. Last year
a week eleven, they were the top team in this FC.
And how the Mighty have fallen? Clayton Adams, the then
offensive line run game coordinator guy, and now o C
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and Dallas.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That guy's gonna be a hot name next year. Keep
an eye on.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That name, Okay, Clayton with a K, just saying, well,
one of the things I was very wrong about this year, hooray. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
But the one thing I want right now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I thought Aaron Rodgers was going to lead the Steelers
to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So you did say that, he did? I recall that
you did say that. I did.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I know, I didn't think he was going to until
about latest Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
But I guess Mike Tomlin would concur with you as well,
and he's like, what that. That's why you go out
and get a forty two ye old quarterback by the
name of Aaron Rodgers because they anticipated that he would
do things just like this. Luckily, the kicker for Baltimore
decided to help him out by missing the kick.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I also said John Morton was going to be a
aster in Detroit, and he was and was fired today.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Do you think Mike Tomlin could still part ways with
the Steelers if they lose.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think that there is a TV job waiting for
Mike Tomlin if he decides to step away from the game,
and I don't think that is out of the revel possibility, don't.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't feel as though Mike Tomlin is ready to
call it quit and move to the booth like Bill Cower.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think he's ready to do that. I think he
might move to the booths like Sean Payton, like for
like a one year deal, one year, a couple of months, rent.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm just saying, and then wind up in another situation
where another coach decides to retire and Tomas still.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Has one year left on his deal, so if he
were to do that, a team would have to do
what the Broncos had to do, like.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I guess trade for.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The kind the contract with Toll So he would he
would just be out of his contract.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
They would mutually part ways on him. I think he.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Loves he loves Baltimo much he lost being around his players.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Sometimes, man stepping away for a year and get your
eyes on a different situation that maybe you you know.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Like looking at it, like looking at a different ship.
I mean, look, Andy Reid's getting old.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
What would happen if Mike Tomlin, much like his predecessor
Bill Cower, you know, went went the Coward started with
Kansas City, went to Pittsburgh. What if Mike Tomlin competed
the Loop and they decided to take over for and
look if Reid retired after I'm just saying, Sean Keyler
will come back
I appreciate Hall of Famer Steve Atwater for joining us
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Did any updates on the new episode? Still in the work?
Still in the works?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Okay, all right, well, we will bring you that breaking
news when we have it.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We do have some other breaking news for you, however.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Bronco's offensive coordinator Davis Webb has received his first request
for a head coaching interview as the Las Vegas Raiders,
who are already interviewing Broncos defensive coordinator Advance Joseph, will
be interviewing Davis Webb as well. And while this is
technically a head coaching interview, I suspect it is actually
more of an offensive coordinator interview for Vance Joseph.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You know, this is very interesting because usually we don't
see teams like they never trade right within their own division.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And to have Davis Webb go.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
There, obviously, you know questions are going to be asked
to get his coaching philosophies, what he would do, how
would he change their quarterback situation? What would we do
with their offense? So the Raiders, or any coach with
any team for that matter, you're getting basic intel on
maybe some of the teams that you would face, but
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in this case, a team that is well within your
own division. So for me, how does Davis Web actually
go through that interview and answer some of those questions without.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Giving a little nuggets. That's why teams do this.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
If you look at the Broncos history and some of
the things that they did, look at some of the
players that they interviewed and some of their not in
this last cycle, but when they when they hired Hacket,
look at how many guys from division that were division
coaches that they interviewed that weren't real interviews. You're just
trying get a little intel in the division. You had
an excuse to do it. Davis Web doesn't have the
network built up to hire a staff at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I wouldn't think, no, he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But it got me to think, in the moment that
you read that breaking news, let's just say, and I
know Steve didn't want to talk about it. Ryan doesn't
want to talk about it. No one wants to talk
about it. About it, but it is a real life situation.
Let's just say, for the sake of argument, if that
were to happen and Davis Webb were to join the
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Raiders as being part of fans showed some coaching staff
for the Las Vegas Raiders, how interesting would that make
the two games every single year known as though David's Webb.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
If Davis Webb and Vast Joseph went to the Raiders,
Oh dude, like, I'm so like the Raider rivalry would
be back at that point, you like, and you and
I know, like we're not saying certain things. I think
fans could pick up on some things that we talk
about without saying them.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
The rivalry would be back.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It would be so interesting for so many different reason
being as though these two guys, both vancers Up and
Davis Webb, were part of whatever climactic in that takes
place with the Broncos in twenty twenty six to finish
up the twenty twenty five season, that would be very
very interesting and just moved the needle just further, just
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hypothetically thinking or even say.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Devil's advocate, if you will.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We still have certain players on this Broncos roster who
play on the Demons' side of the ball who have
yet to receive an extension, Justine Schernard being one of them,
and I think the other John Franklin Myers.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
A couple of guys out there is Zach Allen, the
guy who's followed just signed a big deal.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I have to look because I can't remember. I was
look at this the other day to see when he
could get out frounder them. But he has been Zach
Allen has been a favorite of Van Joseph mean, Zach
Allen was a guy back in Arizona who was a
you know, a big big Advance Joseph guys as Joseph
was his guy.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Joseph was the guy who brought him along. Joseph was
his big advocate.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's the thing that Vance has done is he's, you know,
over the years, he's found guys, you know, as far
as that stuff goes, He's he's done a really good
job of finding guys. He's got an eye for talent.
Uh you know, it's his recommendation to bring in Brandon Jones,
his you know, Zach Allen was.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Was his move. You know, he's been a guy who's
found talent over the years.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It looks like we can't we can't move on from
Zach Allenson after next year, at least not via via
cut now trade uh same, so you could technically trade
him next year. But you know, Zach Allen's a guy
who's who loves Vance. Joseph that's the guy that I
don't want to say found him but kind of and
and Ha has advocated for him throughout his time at
Arizona non Denver. So you you wonder if you'd ultimately
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lose that after a year. But you mentioned, you know,
the free agents. Yeah, Alex Singleton justin Sternad, I think
DJs probably gone after this year. Is not a free agent,
but I think he's probably gone after this year. And
you know, so I think that there are guys that
that could wind up over there if Vance were to
get the Raiders job.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, here's another thing just to keep in consideration, because
we're all are talking about hypothetical's right, and I think
we're still at the point where we can talk about
hypotheticals because we're not that far from free agency frenzy.
The draft all that stuff that comes along when you
look at the Raiders in cap space right their second
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behind the Tennessee Titans. Like the Tennessee Titans had about
maybe more than one hundred and thirteen million, the Raiders
have one hundred and ten.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So they have a lot of cap space.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, the one thing that they have done is clear
up a lot of cap space, and so that's you
know that, and that's a selling point for them. The
Raiders have got some other stumbling blocks. I mean, you
do have the number one pick, and that's enticing. However,
this is a week quarterback class with you know, Mendoza
and maybe more both guys that that are graded lower
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than a traditional top overall picks. I mean, you know,
Mendoza is great, is I just I just thought about that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So you think about Davis Web and the thing that
makes Davis Web so alluring is because look at what
the Broncos are do right now and you look at
the development of bow Nicks.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Over these two years.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I've always said this, the one guy that has
the most influence over the quarterback is not necessarily the OC.
It is a quarterback coach. Because you're with that guy
every single day. So you look, the Raiders are probably
looking and Tom Brady being you know, part of that
ownership over there. Now, how do we get a Fernando
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Mendoza up to speed because you got to think that
with the Raiders have a number one pick overall, he's
going to be selected first.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, I mean, maybe we'll see Dante Moore, I don't wage,
and maybe come out he.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Might be the guys Mendoza. Well, we'll see. I mean,
I'll put it to you this way. There's not a
consensus number one right now. I mean media, but there's
amongst the.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Scouts that I talk to, there is not a consensus
number one.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
While it might not be a consistence number one, if
we were to just.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Look at I wouldn't take either one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay, why not been because I don't want Andy Dalton
and a huge project.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So you're saying the project is Dante Moore, Yes, and
Andy Dalton is Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yes, I think he's.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think I think Fernando Mendoza is the poor man's
Kirk Cousins. I think he's he is more between Andy
Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Who is who Mendoza is to me,
the arm strength is not necessarily there. I mean, he's
got a little mobility than you think he does. But uh,
and I love him.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Miss.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I mean, he's gonna guys just gonna interview off the charts.
But in terms of the physical limitations that he has,
there are some there. He also freezes up when you rotate,
Like when you rotate covers he like watch watch the take.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He freezes up when you rotate.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
We've seen quarterbacks who have if you want to call
a weak arm or as they say, not an NFL arm,
become Hall of Fame play like Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Is not as strong as Tom Brady solid arm. No,
none of those guys had like rocket arm.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Was Brie hit like sixty miles an hour on the
radar gun like he's he's got a rockets a Baker Mayfield, man,
he's got a rockets small that.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Mean he's weak an He's not Chad Pennington out there.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
When do these scouts realize that playing quarterback at the
NFL level is more about the mental side of it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, well it's actually.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I mean there is that, but there's physical traits that
are involved to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, well look look for me, okay, for me, if
a guy didn't have a rocket or NFL arm. Now
I'm looking at, well, where's his anticipation?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Where what?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What has to be good because otherwise he wouldn't be
okay more, what does the footwork look like? Yeah, well
you could clean that up. But I'm just saying, like,
look at the mental look at the mental part of
midills his game ball when they rotate cover to it,
watch watch what happens when they when they rotate over
the cover. He freezes up on this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Okay, man, he's what I can say. He's ball placement
is bar none.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Those are pretty accurate football. I'm not trying to knock
the kid. I'm just trying to say, like I wouldn't
if I had the number one overall pick. I'm trying
to sucker somebody else in to come it up and
getting it. I'm stockpiling picks. I'll go get Kyler Murray
a free agency for a bridge here, and then we're.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Going all in on arch Manning next year. No, I'm
not doing Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, I already had Kyler may already already had it, already.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Made that connection. I'm so mad at myself. What never
hasn't done it before. I'm surprised. I was sitting right
there the whole time. Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yes, but I mean, but this is my boe and
this is my thing. Like and I get into this
with people on on the internet all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's just you don't take a quarterback just to take
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You either you believe that that guy is an unquestioned
franchise going to be a top five quarterback in the
NFL someday, or you pass on it because if you
don't believe he's the guy, why are you why are
you recreating? Because you're creating a whole offense this guy.
You get some players for this guy. Here's you're three
years of some some of mediocrity. That's the worst thing
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you can do is be sort of competitive with a guy,
but he can't carry you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You're the Bengals for Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But the reason in situation is the way it is
because the quarterback position for so many years has been
propped up as being the most.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Value it is.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It is.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Then you told if you have more than one, then
you don't have a gun.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well that but you don't eat, right, So so.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Team's philosophy look at cliveland Bruns.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
If you don't have the direction with it, and that
was and that was the worst thing with the other direction,
just drafted a bunch of bad ones.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
But yeah, I mean they Billy Dabriel stunk, you know.
I mean, like Joe.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Flackham was the best quarterback they had last year and
then they trade him in the in the division, Like
you don't draft they even if you have the one
or two pick and you don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You don't invest that pick in a guy.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Unless you believe he is absolutely the dude. And if
he's not, trade back, get some other sucker to get
up there, trade back, and have ammunition for when you
do find a guy you believe.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
They sucker themselves into this concept of saying, okay, well,
we only have a few guys in his draft, and
every year you have about four or five, and not
every draft is this draft has two and both of
them are kind and you don't.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Have a great draft with quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But it's like if your quarterback didn't do well and
you're drafting in the top five. So the idea is
that you have to go out and draft the quarterback
and it's just like, no, if you don't.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Know, I don't believe that you do. Okay, we're the
same side of this. How do't that you do?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Because to me, it's like, okay, well, you're building a team. Yeah,
because if you put all your chips on a quarterback
and it doesn't work, someone's getting fired. Well and if
he stinks, then what are we doing here? So why
don't I draft great players? Why don't I go? Guy kidding,
there's a stub receiver, Let me go get that guy,
Jeremiah Love the running back, let me go.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Then when I find the quarterback, look what I got
around around and then you got the guy off. I
got receivers, I got a running back, I got you know, I've.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Got all the pieces already there. I could plug this dude. Yeah,
But some ZM stats like if I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The Jets, there's no way I'm tough trying to sucker
somebody to come and get that two pick, all those
the first rounders I got, I'm kicking the can down
the road to next year and I'm going all in
on arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Then if you're going to.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Do that, then you have to have a bridge quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So you go get a Kyler Murray, a guy who
can get you through a season, but ke the fields.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
But Kyle is not going to one to do. He's
probably gonna want maybe a two years, so.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You sign him to a stupid two year deal and
it's all frontloaded and the Justin Fields deal pretty much,
you know, because that's what they try to do with fields,
except the field sucks out loud.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
No.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
My problem for the Jets is if you're the head
coach there, you're not going to be there for another.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Year for someone else.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's why you have to have that that plan with
the owner of the GM and the coach have got
to be organizationally aligned on it. You also can't be
the Jets where you lose every game badly like that
embarrass yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Right, You're right, because in some of those games you
at least have to show that there's a level of
improvement and you at least.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Repete we're building towards your building to we just gotta
find the guy, like right now we're using this. We
got to find a guy. So maybe not Conn, maybe
you go get Jameis Winston. So it's a little more obvious,
but you need somebody that can win you football games.
You know that you could be petitive in football games
even if you don't believe he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Once again, the easy way is understanding, and it's hard
for to get people to change their mind once they
are dead set on something. And I can tell you
a lot of front office people are that way because
now they come up, they came up through the rings.
Now they're in charge. They want to make their own decisions.
But it's like, well, you're building a team. I know
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the quarterback is an important piece. It is not the
only piece, because if you don't have protection up front,
you can forget about it. If you don't have guys
outside who can create space, or receivers who are willing
to block or cam blot, you can forget about it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
As they say in New York, it's awful gaizy at
that point, right, look at who that nation. They got
all that stoc poal.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You know, money invested in all those offensive players, and
their defense isn't worth two Dad Fly smashed.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Hef Burrow's healthy. This year we're in Super Bowl contention,
and I.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Don't agree with that. See to, saying it right doesn't
make it real. Right. It is because hey, you can
have a guy who's already been there before.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
But you know, guess what if your opponents scored forty five,
you gotta.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Score fifty five. Yeah, I look, end of the day.
My point here is we've got way off track on this,
but that's fine. My point here is, if you're the Raiders,
you've got some attractive options here because you've got that
number one pick, you know, and you've got options with that.
You've got a few pieces. You got a Max Crosby,
you got to brock Bauers, you know, Janty, you know,
you've got a few pieces. I think that the Raiders
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problem here is you fired five head coaches in five years,
and so if you're anybody taking that job, you're demanding
a six year contract.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Because actually, someone like Van's right, anybody it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Fully guaranteed you you're doing exactly what Kyle Shanahan did
when he took the Niners job, because they've been back
to back. They just fired Harball, then they fired Jim
tom Sula, then they fired Chick Kelly, and back to
back three back to back years, and Kyle Shannehan went
in there with John Lanch. They said, look fully guaranteed
six year deals. That's that's what we're doing, six year
deals at this number. And the reason it's got to
be that number is because I need you to not
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be able to fire me because you're paying all this
money so I have job security to build this thing.
Kyle Shanahan only won what twelve games in his first
two years. It took to that third year when the
rebuild popped a year early actually because they were really
planning out for your four, but it popped your early
in year three.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And you know, they went to that super Bowl and lost.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know what, It's funny you say that, and it
makes me mad because I was there in the years
where they were not that good.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I wasn't there. They go to the super Bowl?
You were the Jinks.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
No, just kidding. Always says he was the Jakes up
until this year. Rick Jas and le Broncos anymore. We
gotta hit a break. We'll be back after this. Sean
Keiler from the Denver Post going to join us in
the next segment, looking forward to uh so they always
left having shot on SHOT's funny he you know, hey,
we got.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
A chance to chat with him. I think he was
driving it through Nebraska, so I guess he.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Made it back unscathed, was the the savage backcountry known
as Nebraska, and back to the civilized world.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I have apologies to all listeners in Nebraska. I'm just
messing with you. But he texted me when I booked
him this morning.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
He said, be good to talk while my brain isn't
fogged by Nebraska runs as there you go, eight oh
five is great.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
There you go. Yeah. So I love talking to Sean.
We'll get a chance to talk to him coat off
top of the hour.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
A lot of stuff happening yesterday and today, Black Monday,
Black Tuesday, and the NFL may not be done yet.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Talked about that last night a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
There are now seven head coaching vacancies, as John Harbaugh
was let go by the Baltimore Ravens today and for
eighteen seasons. Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin now the two
longest tenured head coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Tom and of course the longest with the Steelers. Reid
has been with the chief since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But if I asked you who the fourth longest tenured
head coach was in the NFL, feel free to guess
who it is the fourth longest. Yeah, after Mike Tomlin
and after Andy Reid, Sorry, after my top third longest,
after Mike Tomlin and Andy Reid. Who is the next
longest tenured head coach in the NFL? Who has been
with thirteen the longest. I know the answer to this,
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and I don't think anybody would believe me if I
wasn't telling you in.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
This context would be Todd Bowles is not bran You
have any guesses? I'm bracking my brain and right off
the I think Todd Bowles is read and Tomlin are comin?
Is number one? Rest number two? Who's number three?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Who's number three? Oh? Would be Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It is not well, that's last chance for Grant to
get a guess in I'm gonna be wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's it's only so many because I'm thinking Sean McVay.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Nope, Kyle Shanahan there it is. It is Kyle Shanahan
has actually been there the longest, really has been there
the longest. That's shows you how much turnover there is
in the NFL. So that's what I was trying to
get at.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Most people don't think of Kyle Shanahan as a very
long tenured coach, but he's been there quite some time.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't know what Wait a minute, Bay came the
year after? Was it? I think?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Okay, I took a back double check. I think it
was the year after, because.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I'm thinking, like, well, I think the McVeigh might have
been in with the Rams before that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I will check for you right now, tell you what,
because I'm pretty sure McVeigh came the year after. McVeigh
came in twenty seventeen, and I'm pretty sure Kyle Shannan
came in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I'm looking at him. I was close anyway, looking it
up right now, I'll tell you Kyle Shanahan was.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I was twenty seventeen, but he was actually hired a
few days before, so that all they say about being close,
Nick yep, so.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You were technically right here.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
They both coached the same season. However, Kyle Shanahan was
hired first, So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, no, gret I did a whole lot better than
you did. You didn't even give Hi a tick.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I got it right, he got right, he was hired.
Kyle Shannon was hired first, So you were.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Both correct in the same year. Dude, to spit it
out though I said it. It just took me longer.
You just got three wrong before I got one right.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Because okay, so I well, through the process of elimination
made it easier for you correct down on the list.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Bingo, I gotta guy. It's called strategic Oh that's what
we be calling it now.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, it's a strategy that is uh yeah, Kyle shanahan
Sean McVay uh same same year.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So they're both technically correct in this in this exercise.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But they are the longest tenured head coaches Sean McVay
at Kyle shanahan or the longest tenured head coaches in
the NFL. Third longest tended head coaches in the NFL,
after Mike Tomlin and Andy Ree. That was just fascinating
to me because you don't think of either one of
those guys as having been there all that long.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's how lovely the turning Bernie is. In the NFL.
We saw Rahee Marris get fired after two seasons. Now.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Honestly, man, the Falcons won those last four games. They
finished tied for first in their division and didn't get
to go to the playoffs because of tie breakers. That
one was a little suspect to me. I thought that
was Trent in the right direction. But they were definitely
firing Terry font Note. So I think what they did
there was just, hey, we're just cleaning house. We're gonna
let Matt Ryan committed to be the president of football.
Ops they've got They'll hire a GM and a head
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coach and go from there. And I wouldn't be surprised
if he and cunning Handle's a GM and koobiek was
he was the head coach.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
How much do you think of that was the pain
of Kirk Cousins and then drafting Michael Pennix compared to
the onfield stuff. I mean obviously, well if they would
have went like twelve and five, it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And by the way, Terry Final might end up here.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He's a long time Sean Peyton guy. Look, they I
Final made some mistakes. He tampered with Kirk Cousins, He
didn't have all the info on his injury when he
when he signed him a huge you know when they
signed him to that deal, and then they go out
they draft Michael PENNICKX and Pennix has not been it
you know, they draft him.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
That early and he has not been it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Uh so far, You've got all those skill position players
they haven't been able to use. You know, Zach Robinson
is the OC was probably a mistake, whether that's on Morris,
whether it's on the GM or not. You know, put
some pressure on him to make a move. There were
just mistakes made and fount Out had some pretty pretty
crappy drafts. He's got a couple of hits, I mean obviously,
but those hits are usually guys he backdoored his way into.
(21:11):
You know, you couldn't miss drafted Bijou when you drafted,
and you couldn't miss drafted Pits when you drafted him.
Although Pitts hasn't been as productive as they would have
liked in that offense. So yeah, same thing with Drake London.
Like all those guys were just right there and fell
in their laps. So I don't you know, end of
the day, I think they just decided. Arthur Blank is
getting up there in years, he's like eighty two. Now
he's getting up there. He's wanting to get harrorball.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, well that's he's on the radar. Stefanski Harbor on
the radar, but I think they wind up with Koobiek.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You know what when you really think about it, And
I know Raheen Morris he was.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
An intern when I was with the New York Jets.
And when you.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Think about week seven to week eleven, so you lost
like five games in a row, and I think that's
kind of where aren't to Blank sourd on the combination
of funding and rahee Morris And I know once again
they beat Tampa, Arizona, the Rams and New Orleans to
close the season.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
But I think Arthur Blank at.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
That point he had to make a decision right either
wire going and when whether it's a coach, GM or
owner makes this decision regardless of what fans think, sometimes
you have to cut bait. You have to see, you know,
or forecast whether what's going to happen and make some
of these tough decisions and grant hit it. I think
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that was one of the issues losing games from seven
to week eight and then a whole Michael Pennix hold
tobacco with Kirk Cousins that kind of put a strain,
you know, on the organization and known as though you
are in the NFC South Division, that's right. Carolina didn't
really separate themselves. Not that did Tampa Bay, even though
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at the beginning of the season it looked like Tampa
Bay was going to run away with him.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Say, Tampa's won the division the last few years and
all that kind of stuff, but it hasn't really been vincent.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That division has been up for grabs for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Like if you wanted to say, man, correct me if
I'm wrong, if there was an easy division, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
The one Pro Sports. Yeah, it's the NFC South. Yeah,
I mean even.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The AFC North that I should be East has gotten
difficult now, you know, with the Patriots and the Bills.
He used to be an easy one team division now,
you know. I mean even in Miami's not a pushover
over the The Jets suck. But you know, beyond that, yeah,
I would say it's the easiest division in football. And
yet you had three teams finish up tied at the top,
and the Saints all of a sudden looking like they
might be the most competitive team next year based on
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what we saw.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
And I know you mentioned, you know, John Harbaugh, but
you said you mentioned something about Clint Kubiak, and I
like that and I like it for this particular reason.
Remember when Gary Kubiak was with the Minnesota Vikings and
Clint was a quarterbacks coach, he had a lot of
time to work with who Kirk Cousins. When his father
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stepped away, Clint became And if you go back and
look at Kirk cousins statistics during that time, he had
one of his best statistical years as a quarterback under
Clint Kubiak. And you already got a Vjon Robinson. You
may have to sign Kyle pittsbag, you got Drake London.
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So when you look at the pieces that are in place,
they look great. And oh, by the way, the Atlanta
Falcons have already experienced a version of the Mike Shanahan offense.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
When Kyle Shanahan was with Dan Quinn, he had met
Ryan at the Helm.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And if you're saying that Mett Ryan went to the
Super Bowl is going to be somewhere working in football operations.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That offense doesn't exist in that division either. Canallas doesn't
run it. No, Kellen Moore doesn't run it. And what's
his name over there at Grizzard doesn't run it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Could you imagine he's the only version of that.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
The only the only team in that division that would
be using that offense.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Listen, I know a bunch of friends live in atl
We've been on the text threat.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Some of them are hoping that it is blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
They have another experience with that offense too, when it
punched him in the mouth in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yes, it did, it did, sure did, right, But well, I.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Was talking about John Elway and Terrell Davis. Yes, yes, Well.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When you think about it and you say, well, what
what how can you revitalize Kirk cousins career. You're already
have so much money invested in it, and that Michael
Pittsy is still on a rookie deal and he's injured
to start.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
To see al right, well, and he's always injured though,
I mean he's been he's been injured.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
This is going back to high school. That dude is
always hurt.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
What could you imagine as talented as Jon Robinson is,
you put him in that offense and the Christian McCaffrey
rode look out.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, look out MVP next year. Yeah, they walk away
with the with the division. And they've got some talent too.
They don't have a first round pick this year.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But they got what's his name, the edge rusher their
jerkins or whatever his dress or day and the address
that they got h He had ten and a half
sacks a rookie year. So I think everybody's you know,
everybody's taking that they don't have a first rounder. They're
also up against some cap issues, but they can get
they can get forty million under with about three cuts.
So uh, but I think Atlanta is one of the
most attractive, you know openings.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Baltimore is obviously going to be attractive opening.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
The Giant's attracted for a few different reasons, but there's
also some trepidation there. And then you start getting to
the other openings, whether that's the Raiders. Yeah, they've got
a bunch of cast bases in the one pick, but
they also have a history of being a very you know,
fickle organization in terms of getting rid of coaches. You've
got Arizona and Cleveland dragging the rear there with you know,
with ownership.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
That's a mass.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
And they got some good defensive pieces too as well,
because they have a Caden Ellis yeah on their team
playing middle linebacker just like his brother Jonas they do
a great job covering those running backs out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, Atlanta's got pieces, but it's it's one of those
things where I'm like, all right, we're gonna see how
this thing shakes out. The hardball thing throws a wrench
in it, and I'm not one hundred percent sure the
Tampa doesn't make a switch or Miami doesn't make a switch.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Here and fire head coach trying to get involved in
the GM search. I know he's he said that, he's
actually not, He's not.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's a way to be like, I'm I'm keeping my job.
I'm He's not in the room for that at all.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
The people that are in the room for that are
Steven Ross, Stephen Ross's son in law.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Uh, there's there's CFO guy.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Uh what about jam Kelly Champ got fired earlier the year.
Champce the guy that's who they're replacing Cham. I'm sorry,
Champ Chance the inswered Chance involved. It's he Champs one
of the guys being interviewed for all this.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Who else is there?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Steve Ross, his son, the CFO, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman,
and somebody else.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
There's a six guy there, But those are the six guys.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, first of all, I'm thinking of being growing up
being a Miami fan. You already have Dan Marino. Why
do we need Troy Aikman to come in and help out?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
One? Got some ownership in the Dolphin? Ye, he's got
he does, and and I think he's minority owner. Yeah,
they're both.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They're both minority owners, both former you know, it's all
FA football players.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And I feel a little slighted. Marino had, you know,
had a job there for a minute. It was like
the you know, the whatever it was. He had a
job there for a minute. I don't do that anymore.
But you gotta get some super Bowl winning experience in
the room.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Oh wowow did get there?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I said winning? He did? He did? Wow. I was
just kidding. And that clipped out of my talk about winning.
Talk about a Bengals Super Bowl champions next year. I mean,
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with what defense? I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Joe Burrow is gonna come back and play right now?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Real quick, guys, who got a few minutes left in
this segment. It's that time of the year, beginning of
the year where we go back over stuff we we
whiffed hard on and stuff we want to pump our
chest about Uh that happened throughout the season last year.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I gotta take a I gotta take a lap.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And uh, uh say I thought Dallas, you know, I
talked about Dallas and how they were going to be
much improved and Washington was gonna take a step back.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think that that more or less happened. Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And then I got to sit there and take me
heth this giant played a crow on Colin Arizona to
win the NFC West when they are the only team
for the NFC West not to make the playoffs and
finish third worst team in the league.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Tough year for the Cardinals and your boy. Yeah, well
he's gone now. So yeah, well for me.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
You know what, at the start of the season, I
predicted the Broncos would win, you know, ten games. I
had no idea that they would get to that fourteen mark.
I said, at best, maybe eleven twelve pushing it. So
I'm happy to see that they proved me wrong on
that one. Not because I was being a debute downer,
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but just because I knew the field in the row
would be so difficult for them. Also, when I looked
at Javonte Williams. When he was here, a lot of
people criticized him, and I didn't know he was going
to perform the way that he performed in Dallas more.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Than twelve hundred yards rushing on the ground.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I expected him to get to like maybe six seven hundred,
not twelve hundred yards. Well, one thing I can say
that I was hopeful for at the beginning of the
season and it came to fruition and they made me right.
Was Sam Darnold in the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, you did. You called that one.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
How about Javonte Man? How awesome is that? I mean,
you know, you wish you would have produced like that
in Denver. But to see a former Bronco that really
had a tough time here and went through that injury
to bounce back in that way.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, it was so cool to see a secret weapon
up there in Dallas. So, by the way, fired their
defensive quarter Matt Eberflus. They're they're looking in ice two
Broncos names that would be the best for that job.
Jim Leonard advanced Joseph But I will say Vance's doing
head coach interviews right now, so it's it's not downe
to that, But how.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Much would that say about Vance Joseph's relationship with Sean
Payton if he left the Broncos then took over the
DC and Dallas. I, first of all, it would not
surprise me in the least.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But I'll leave it at that for now. And well,
we'll see. I think he's gonna get a head coaching job.
We'll see beyond that, though, I will say, Clayton Adams,
who had Arizona on that tear last year, the Arizona
Cardinals were number one in the NFC West. Last year
a week eleven, they were the top team in this FC.
And how the Mighty have fallen? Clayton Adams, the then
offensive line run game coordinator guy, and now o C
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and Dallas.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That guy's gonna be a hot name next year. Keep
an eye on.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That name, Okay, Clayton with a K, just saying, well,
one of the things I was very wrong about this year, hooray. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
But the one thing I want right now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I thought Aaron Rodgers was going to lead the Steelers
to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So you did say that, he did? I recall that
you did say that. I did.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I know, I didn't think he was going to until
about latest Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
But I guess Mike Tomlin would concur with you as well,
and he's like, what that. That's why you go out
and get a forty two ye old quarterback by the
name of Aaron Rodgers because they anticipated that he would
do things just like this. Luckily, the kicker for Baltimore
decided to help him out by missing the kick.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I also said John Morton was going to be a
aster in Detroit, and he was and was fired today.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Do you think Mike Tomlin could still part ways with
the Steelers if they lose.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think that there is a TV job waiting for
Mike Tomlin if he decides to step away from the game,
and I don't think that is out of the revel possibility, don't.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't feel as though Mike Tomlin is ready to
call it quit and move to the booth like Bill Cower.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think he's ready to do that. I think he
might move to the booths like Sean Payton, like for
like a one year deal, one year, a couple of months, rent.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm just saying, and then wind up in another situation
where another coach decides to retire and Tomas still.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Has one year left on his deal, so if he
were to do that, a team would have to do
what the Broncos had to do, like.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I guess trade for.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The kind the contract with Toll So he would he
would just be out of his contract.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
They would mutually part ways on him. I think he.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Loves he loves Baltimo much he lost being around his players.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Sometimes, man stepping away for a year and get your
eyes on a different situation that maybe you you know.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Like looking at it, like looking at a different ship.
I mean, look, Andy Reid's getting old.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
What would happen if Mike Tomlin, much like his predecessor
Bill Cower, you know, went went the Coward started with
Kansas City, went to Pittsburgh. What if Mike Tomlin competed
the Loop and they decided to take over for and
look if Reid retired after I'm just saying, Sean Keyler
will come back
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