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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fellows. We are on Wild Card weekend Eve. We've got
football going on between Indiana and Oregon. Indiana out to
the early lead with the pick sticks touchdown right off
the bat, but Oregon coming right back to tie it
up at seven with Dante More throwing a touchdown pass
from I have about twelve yards out give or take
still in the first quarter in that one. Had a
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great game last night between Miami and Old News. Miami,
even with flu decimating the locker room, still pulls out
the victory. And I know Miami native Nick Ferguson is
a proud man.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, I'm happy, not just not because it was the
University of Miami. I am happy because it was the
ACC and right now, as it stands, for the third
year in the row, there are no SEC teams.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I would like to rescind my earlier comment and refer
to your title instead of as of Miami, Nate of
as SEC hater Nick Ferguson, and I was for Miami
in that one. It's just fun. I'm the known SEC hawk.
I picked to Andy and I guess Alabama. I picks
Miami against uh uh ole miss. The SEC was down
a little bit this year, it's been down a little bit,
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you know, as far as that, as far as that
stuff goes, I think, uh, we'll see. Look at the
recruiting stuff early. It looks like to maybe a little
resurgence next year. But for right now, all those that
hate the SEC can certainly crow as they will not
be in the National Title Game.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Why it's not that I don't hate the SEC.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You do them?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
No, No, I'm not, but I don't. No, it is
I don't know what T shirt you guys talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But security is and Exchange Commission.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
My whole thing with the SEC.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Every single year they are set up and it just
seems though it's just kind of a long standing tradition.
And with the addition to the SEC network being partnered
with the four letted network Paul Finebaum being extension of
that as well, it's been over promotion of the SEC.
So to finally see you know that that the way
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that things that kind of taking place, and it's taken been,
uh the transfer portal in.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
The n I l to disrupt and dismant to this
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You mean legally playing paying players instead of in the
entire time.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yes, it's the reasons keep it no more, No more
brown backs church shakes in his suitcase, you know, yeah,
no more brown bags in the church. Yes, And this
is the reason why keeping it the buck Nick Saban
decided to opt out and just kind of abruptly retire because.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The scales were now balanced.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Other schools can now do the same thing that Alabama
and SEC schools had done for so many years.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And we're talking.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
About carrying the bag, literally the bag itself and being
able to get players. So now that Indiana is able
to do it, you know, they got John Cougar melacap right,
and they got Mark Cuban donating money to the program.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You're able to go out there and sign top tier talent.
So yes, was I excited? Yes? Am I happy? Yes?
Not more so than my.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Former teammate Andre Johnson who went to the U and
Clint Porters, who as soon as they won he couldn't
help with videos, the trash talk, the trash talk, and
now some of the some of my former teammates are
going back at Clinton talking about running back and Clint's
basically like.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Hey man, scared money, don't make none.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But because I really feel as though the university reminded me.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
This is the year.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This is the year for Mario Chris of Baul and
how about a story for him? Leave Oregon, come back
to your alma mater with this whole dream and this
idea of getting them to the National Championship Game and
winning it. I mean, so there's so many storylines, man,
That's why I love college football. I love NFL, but
I love college football, especially this time of the year
because all the storylines.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, will continue to keep our eye on that. As
the Indian offense is finally taking the field uh in
this game after uh what is it halfway through the
first quarter?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Without uh, without the future number one overall pick right there,
maybe we'll see I mean, well, honestly, honestly, both these
quarterbacks are theoretically that guy, although I will tell you
people I talk to have these guys graded significantly lower
uh than normal first overall type picks.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Are you hating on Fernando Mendoza's a guy?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But like him? No, I don't even wrong. I like
him personal. He's gonna kill in the interview rooms. But
I mean, you're talking about a guy who's the poor
man's Kirk Cousins. So you drafted that number one overall.
You drafted Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, you drafted Andy Dalton
number one overall. Is that you spent in a first
overall pick on that. I mean, I hope the Raiders
pur to pick on that. Well.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Listen, based on what Mendoza has done thus far, I
say that he is better than the comps that you've
attached to him, right, the way that he moves the ball,
ball placement, the teams that he's been a to beat
getting him to this particular point. You got to give
the guy some credit. Now, are we saying that he
is Tom tom Brady? But no, he hasn't kind of
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reached that pinnacle yet.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
But nobody knew Tom Brady was Tom Bradley.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Exactly right, Like even Peyton Manning, Like we know Peyton Manny.
You know, he had a name and he was really
talented at Tennessee, but that first year was in great
for him and he went on he learned he got
with Tom mor than all of a sudden, you know,
he's a Hall.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Of Famer real quick.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Going back to last night's game, I thought Carson Beck
just balled out of his mind running that last touchdown.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And what's his draft grade. Where's he looking at? Getting
pig mid round you know, mid to late round type guy,
Matt Lioner type, you know that kind of thing. I mean,
he's made him back up. Yeah, the limited arm, you
know which I mean Mendoza has a bit of a
limited arm too. We're being honest here. Uh, he's not
He's not out there just you know, cutting the wind
or anything like that. I think he's a very good
college quarterback. I think his story's fun. I think Indiana
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has an absolute chance to win the national championship with him.
Still would not if I'm the Raiders and I would
run in that organization, we would not be using our
number one pick on a quarterback. So think about what
Ben is saying.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And we've had, you know, talent evaluate to say this
about quarterbacks. You know, for so many years it was
the same talent evaluation of a guy like Brock Perdy
and say what you want, even though he was mister revelevant.
Look at what Rock Perdy has been able to do
since he's been in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And everyone has this.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Kind of perfected look as far as what they're looking
for in a quarterback. And then there are the comps
this guy reminds me of this particular guy. Why can't
we just look at that guy just kind of like
just a soul entity.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What does he do?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
From let's say, from a quarterback standpoint, since we're talking
about quarterbacks, that could probably make a team better.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Because what if I heard all.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The time, even though I don't subscribe to it, well,
you know, a good quarterback makes everyone else around him better.
I don't subscribe to that because it's still a team game.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's I think both things could be true,
but a good quarterback makes you know, if you could
take a mediocre team and make them, you know, above average,
you could take it above average team and make them
good with you know, the quarterback can elevate the guys
around him, but he also needs guys around him, and.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
He's talent, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
As far as Mendoza, I mean, why do we do
comps because it's easier to kind of Okay, I'm trying
to tell you about traits, but it's easier for I
think people to visualize if I say that, if I
tell you that somebody is like the poor Man's Kirk
Cousins or Andy Dalton, you sort of get what I'm
talking about at that point when I'm when I'm doin
a discrack. But once again, you you yeah, I will be.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You kind of need the witness when you say he's
a poor man this they're just putting poor man in
front of that player's name kind of dumbs down and
invalidates that player and whatever level production that he brings
to the table.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think he is a very close to a Kirk
Cousins comp but I don't think he's as good as
Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I disagree. Man, watching his kid play and watching him
beat the teams that he's beating, the man to throw
that he's made, you got to give him a little
more credit than that.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well as a pro prospect as a college player. Again, awesome,
awesome collegiate quarterback. You know, Colt Brennan was an awesome
collegiate quarterback. He was not an NFL caliber guy.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So it was Tim Tebow, that's.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, same thing, yes, yeah, but Tim Tebow couldn't throw
the ball exactly well, but guys in cult Brennan could
throw the ball. He didn't have the arm strength. I mean,
I I can go on and all with this stuff.
Clint Kingsbury was a hell of a hell of a
college quarterback, and there's a reason he's a coach right
now and not the all time leading But you only look.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
At some of these quarterbacks and we say they are
great college quarterbacks. We're looking for NFL traits. There's certain
NFL trads and be altruistics that you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
There's an arm strength baseline. There's the ability to decipher
the field quickly, throw with anticipation, put the ball on
the money where the receiver is gonna be rather than
waiting for them to come open. With Mendoza, one of
the things you kind of see here too is when
they rotate covers from the backside, you can see it
in case he sort of freezes up a little bit
as if he doesn't see it right away. Now, maybe
that's a guy that doesn't have enough reps, because you're
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talking about a guy who only had it was less
than a thousand passing attempts throughout his entire collegiate career.
He only played. He played nine games his first game
at cal An eleven a second and he didn't play
full season, so he may not have the full compliment
of reps when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, I want to look at it and say, well,
he doesn't have full complimentary reps because we know every quarterback,
bettery quarterback, especially when they start out and young quarterbacks,
they all have their their issues and things that they
are dealing with as they progressively get better. But for me,
looking at and watching Mendoza more, I started to change
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my mind because at first, Ben, I did have that
same perspective that you have when in value with Mendoza.
But I said, well, let me look at him with
a fresh set of eyes. Let me not compare him
or try to compare him to anyone. What is it
that he does well that would be viewed on the
next level like, Okay, we want a guy to be
able to do those types of things, and I think
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he has that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean, the good news is we're going to find
out one way to the other. Obviously I disagree with that,
but I will absolutely eat a plate of Ryan's tofu
or something if if I'm wrong on that, We'll get
some carrot caken here.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But you know what, Ben, here's what we want to
touch on really quickly because last night's game, I think
I can relate it to both the Broncos and the
CU Buffs. And this is how because what do we
see from Carson Beck and that last drive fifteen plays
seventy five yards. He moved the ball down the field,
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put him a scoring position, made great decisions side the
red zone, scrambled when the coverage took away his options,
and scored the game winning what ended up being a
game winning touchdown.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But more than that, they ran the ball both.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Ole miss and especially the University of Mind me. They
ran the ball well because Mark Fletcher Junior twenty two
carries by himself, twenty two carries by himself for one
hundred and thirty three yards.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
That was straight balling. And when you talk about Chris.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Ball wanting a downhill, physical, run, down your throat run game.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's what they had.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And what did we not see last year for the
CU Buffs They didn't run the ball well. Now they
ran it better this year than they have in years pass,
but they still needed a commitment.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
To the run game.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And exactly, and I'll say the same thing could be
said about the Denver Broncos. Right, we've seen like last
game RJ. Harvey rushed fifteen times and he averaged one
point nine to carry right fifteen times, but this kid,
Mark Fletcher twenty two times for one thirty three out
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of six point oh yards carry, which.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Is what Jalia was averaging in that game too, by
the way.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Exactly so once again, and this is why I wanted
to kind of bring this up, looking at last night's
maybe the Broncos and let see you buffs, take a
page of this book and not just say run the ball,
but show a level of commitment to the run game.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, I mean, we'll certainly see on that the main
thing like for me, like again with the going back
to Mendoza and more and all that kind of stuff,
And I would love to see you establish this commitment
to the run game. Brennan Maryon typically does. That's typically
what they do. I would love to see that. But
these guys, I mean we were talking aboutarlier passing attempts.
I want to compare this, like Mendoza has less than
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a thousand passing attempts for his career. You know, you
got guys like coming in the league, like Eightie Dalton,
it's like what seventeen hundred drop backs and you know
Pat Holmes are almost two thousand drop backs. Like there's
a difference in see getting that many more reps at
the college game and seeing that stuff and being ready
and so that's that's the other part of that, being
prepared for that. As far as the run stuff goes, Yeah,
I'd love for them to start taking pages out of
these books and running the football. I think I think
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every team in Colorado right now, I don't think runs
a football enough, especially given that you can have an
advantage with altitude and tiring people, especially lat in games.
Put it to them, have some fresh backs, rotate that
fresh back through in the fourth quarter and let them
put the game away for you.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, all of that is is definitely true.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And the one thing that I love more about watching
college football, and especially in the end and the way
that Kurt Signetti kind of deploys his offense is it's
very balanced. And I know with some of the quarterbacks
that you mentioned coming out of college, those guys really
elevated their status because they were throwing at a high
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level and when you get to the next level and
balance is so vital.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It is definitely so important.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So even when you watch Mendoza, you know on that
last drive it was a combination of passes.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Hand the ball off play action.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All of those are characteristics of an NFL offense.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And you know, usually we see quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Look through the sideline. We saw that a lot when
Shi Kelly was at Oregon. Quarterbacks looking at the sideline.
There's hand gestures and big posters with actors' faces on it.
And we know in the NFL, if that's not gonna happen,
it's like, can we can we call a play? You
get it, get to the line of scrimmish, diagnose it,
get the offensive line in the right protection, go through
your progressions, find the open receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
If that guy's not there, pull the ball down, move
to move the chains with your feet right. So this
is why I see when I look at.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Mendoza, these are attributes that I'm seeing something similar to
what we see on every every Sunday with thirty two teams.
Maybe some teams do it better, but I still look
at him as a valuable prospect.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I go back to this relating into the.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Denver Broncos, seeing more of that take place with the
Broncos offense with bow knicks. We saw Carson Beck last night,
who typically during the season didn't really use his legs.
He used his legs in the game against Oh Miss.
This is something that we know bo Nicks excels at
and that should be incorporated in some way and also
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utilize to put the defense on their heels and give
them more to try to plan for.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
As far as stopping to Broncos.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Offense, yeah, Carson Beck, by the way, that was his
second rushing touchdown of the year. He just doesn't. He's
just not, you know, not that guy when it comes
to that. As far as the rest of it goes like, look,
I don't think that Mendozo or Dante More or Ty
Simpson or whatever who's declared. I don't think these guys
are not did he why did he know he needs
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more reps? I don't think these guys are like they're
not horrible, They're just not number one overall. We're the
guys like if I look at the I look at
all three of these guys, and I'm like, none of
them are guys that jump into the league and are
you know, top half of the league guys. I don't
know that the ceiling on any of these guys is
top ten quarterback in this league. Doesn't look like it's me.
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And if I'm doing that. What am I doing with
the number one overall pick? Taking that guy? Like, if
it's me and I'm the Raiders, I've got problems all over.
I'm not throwing a quarterback that I already think needs help.
You know, as you've talked about you need to surround
them with help. I'm not throwing that quarterback in the mix.
I'm taking that draft pick. I'm trying to find somebody
to sucker to come up and get it. I'm moving back.
I'm continuing to build out my team and I'm loading
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up for next season when the arch Manning sweepstakes begin.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So you're holding out all for arch.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Manning, Well, I mean not necessarily, but you get the idea.
Like for you know, I'm trying to get into that
sweepstakes for the next year, and we'll use a bridge
quarterback in the interim to get us there. I'll go
out and I'll pay because we're the Raiders. We have
a ton of caspase. I'll pay a Kyler Murray or
a to a tug of a Lowe first season to
guide us through while we do that. And as I've
added multiple draft picks, now I have the flexibility to
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be able to get up there and get my guy
if I want to.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
The Raiders have number one overall pick, could they move back, Yes,
I would think it would be a mistake. Mendoz is
your guy unless something wild happened that I don't anticipate happening.
But also to the Raiders have ten picks, and they
have one hundred and ten million dollars to spend a
free agency. They can find a ways to put talent
around Mendoza. It's a lot better than what they had before.
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And I know we in Broncos country, no one wants
to hear us talk about the Raiders or we're still
we're talking about, you know football. Well, this is how
I'm thinking as a football because it comes down to
how do you want to build a team, right, And
you're not gonna fix all your issues in one draft
and one year free agency, right, It's gonna take some time.
But you got to start with picking a quarterback so
you can say, well, I got that out of the way,
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and I can spend all my money on veteran players
to make the group around him much better.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
See, I'm the other way around with that. I'm building
out my team and if I don't absolutely one hundred
believe that that guy in that draft is a future
top five quarterback. Go to win me multiple Super Bowls.
I am passing and using bridge you guys until I
find that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Good luck on that GM and that head coach. Give
you those extra years. You're gonna need to see your
plan come to for wish.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I have a I'll hand off a hell of a
team to somebody else if I don't, if I don't
hit on it well doing that well, I mean because
someone else. My job is to make the team better,
not preserved by job.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right. Oh you think that's what Pete Carroll's thinking right now?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think Pete Carroll should have fired his son, who
was the offensive line coach there and the Raiders and
it cost him his job. Should have hired his kids.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I don't agree. Great, it seemed like you have something
to say.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
No comment, Roses. I'd take him to this. It sounds
so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I want to keep on the Glory to God. We're
never supposed to be in this position.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But by glory God, the great coaches.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Great damits, every we have around us, we were able
to pull this off.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
You never thought what would be here, But now who's just.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We're flipping tams.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Let go.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
A little nifty little run there by your boy, Mendoze.
That Dalton to him, I heytatle Andy Dalton to him.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You caught Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins and that's what
we're getting. And that may be the best version of
Freddie mean Doze better than those two guys independently, but
collectively he's doing work.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
People forget that Andy Dalton had nearly two thousand rushing
yards in college and twenty two rushing touchdown. By the way,
They forget how athletic he was.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Now, remind me where did Andy Dalton start his career
TCU No, I mean I mean in the pros? I
mean no, Sin Bengals exactly right there we go, and
that right there was his downfall.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He had nothing to.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Do with it. But going to Cincinnati was his downfall.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, people forget Andy Dalton had sixteen hundred plus rushing
yards in college and twenty two rushing touchdown. He could
move Rufford was up. Yeah, Well he was athletic back
in the day. And it's the thing like when I
compare Mendoza to him, it's not when I say Dalton
it's not a slight because people remember late Andy Dalton
where he was just an old guy with the arm,
and I'm like, man, Andy Dalton used to be a
heck of a heck of a player like That's that's
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not to say he can't. And I believe Mendoz was
a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL. I just don't
believe that's a guy's putting team on us back in
the league.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Well, I think he's capable of doing it. He's showing
it with in the end. Obviously, the league is something
entirely different. But also when you get to the league,
you have more quality talent surrounding you at that point.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
But also to Cawl tell you a guess, let me ask,
let me just put it this in perspective, would you
rather have Bo Nix or Friend or Mendoza b Nicks?
There you go and there And that's the prof point.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And the reason why. Because I'm different from a lot
of people. I like my quarterback to have some athleticism, athleticism.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Let's take the athleticism about it. Would you as a
passer only, would you rather have Mendoza or Bonix? For me,
still gonna be Bo.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Well, listen, I've seen Mendoza makes some let me tell
by saying, I'm gonna say Mendoza. And the reason I'm
gonna say Mendoza because I've seen Mendoza make some great plays. Now,
bo athleticism allows him to make a lot of, you know,
significant plays. When he gets outside of the pocket, he
still has to clean up his his footwork because he
has a tendency to throw off one foot and used
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to all of his armstrend. But with a guy like
Mendoza who knows that he isn't as athletic as a
guy like Baul men athleticism, he's gonna play and he's
gonna stay within his realm, inside his box, similar to
Drew Brees, a Tom Brady and a paid many.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You know that you may be, you know, not.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
As inclined to to be that top tier of a
quarterback from athleticism standpoint. So you're gonna lean on the
things that make you great, and those attributes won't work
well with Mendoza, probably not so much with boat Nicks.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
One thing I will say about Mendoz is he does
have the size. He's uh, he's six' four and he's
a legit six four and a half to twenty. Five
he's got the size that that is the one THING
i will say That, yeah maybe that you, Know Andy
dolton didn't have That mendoza does have and.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That helps out, quarterbacks especially in THE nfl because, ideas you,
know when you're, tall you can see over a, lineman
just like when The broncos are playing A Green May.
Packers that was kind of the the evaluation to break
down That van josp said. About you would love his
ability to make plays with his, feet but also the
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ability to see.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Over linement because how tall he.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Is, Right, so, well once again we split in hairs
here and both quarterbacks are definitely well within.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Their right to be.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Validated BUT i see The raiders Taking mendoza and if
they do the right thing and build the right team
around him with the draft picks and the cap space they,
have potentially he'd be.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
A competitive that we shall. See nick wanted to talk
about unlocking coaching.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Trees, yeah you, know, well here's something that's interesting because
as we get into this new coaching, cycle we're evaluating you,
know coaches and depending on what coaching tree you came,
from it allows you to somewhat skip the line and
get ahead and maybe go from a quarterback coach to O,
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ceo from a quarterback coach to an offensive. Coordinator and
there are a couple of coaching trees that that came to.
Mind Seem payton is starting to build his coaching. Tree,
obviously you Know Sean payton is extension Of Bill parcells
uh coaching, tree WHICH i mean the most prolific guy
of the tree is by Far Bill.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Belichick.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Right but then they got me to thinking About Mike,
shanahan you, know AND i, said, well when you look
within the, league there are.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Branches, there there's, leaves there are, trees.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
There are roots that you can say That Mike shanahan
has produced this group of.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Coaches and you continue to, see even.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Though mike mc dames fired with The Miami, dolphins there
are potential oc jobs out.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
There The.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Lions NOW i thought it would be you, know The
washington commanders went, right which WHICH i want to see
how that works out because blow is only a couple
of years removed from being a backup with The Detroit.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Lions and THEN i think there's A i think there's
something to this Because Dan quinn Let, lafleur, McDaniel those
guys out the door when they were In atlanta to Replace,
kyle When kyle was THE oci. There he let them
out the door because he wanted more. Experience AND i
think this was a situation where he Saw blou as
an up and comer and did not want to let
him out the door and make the stay mistake he
did In atlanta where he let a guy that was
young out the door just because he was WORRIED i
(24:17):
didn't have the.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Experience, yeah and once you look, at you, know the
coaching tree For Mike.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Shannell it's, huge it's.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
HUGE i, Mean Anthony, Lynn sean, McVay Robert, Sala Matt,
Lafleur Zach, Taylor keV, Stefanski yeah, Right gary K, Klink.
Kobyac there's so. Many and some of these older coaches
too though that that don't get.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Wrong Jim, Bates Jim, haslett both those guys came out
To shanahan. Tree Art shell was off The Shanahan. Tree
terror Just Gray rhodes was off The Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Tree Arthur smith And Luke. Getzi, yeah you, know and
and HERE i never thought about, This, ben but AS
i was thinking about coaching.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Trees h your your your own co Host Nick.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Ferguson, yeah is off of, that that that coaching tree
BECAUSE i spent time In San francisco Under Kyle shanahan
And Roberts island And Damiico. Ryans and then when you
think from and he played For mike, well and AND
i played For, mike AND i also, say but let's
take it a step, further right WHEN i think about scouting,
(25:24):
trees because we always talk about coaching.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Trees we never talked scouting.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Tree you, KNOW i did my scouting internship last year
during the summer thanks to The broncos general Manager George,
peyton SO i got a chance to you, know sit
under him and watch. Him Kelly klein helped out a.
LOT i, mean it was so it was so many.
People but when we think coaching, trees obviously we're having
this conversation for, me the godfather of all coaching, trees
(25:51):
WHERE i figured that it all comes from now in today's,
Game Bill.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Walsh, yeah And mike is a second genera off Of
walsh as, well if you're A seaford. Guy but you,
KNOW i mean, yeah Because mike worked Under, Danary he's
And George seaffert and so, YEAH i mean there's it
all comes back To Bill. Well The wallsh trees is
really where it all. Starts and you've got you, know
kind AND i guess technically go back To Paul brown
and you, know and all that kind of stuff as.
(26:16):
Well but The wallsh tree in terms of modern football
is really WHERE i think a lot of it. Goes
and it depends on which branch of The wallsh tree you're,
on Because Andy, Reid Mike shanahan and you, Know GRUDON
mc And peyton those are all guys that are in
some way on that, tree just different branches in the same. Tree,
yeah it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Is and let me ask this question.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
When you think that owners AND i, think, well it's
it's seven jobs that are, open and you know everyone
is everyone is, eight, right H.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I forgets About. Baltimore, ye it's still.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Open it's just hard too Because harvard has been there
for so so.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Long do you think or a video you even rephrase,
that if you were an owner looking to hire your
next head, coach are you going to look at coaching
trees as determining whether you are going to hire a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Or not what does that factor, In, well yes and,
no it's. NOT i, Mean i'm going to want to
know his. Etymology i'm going to know what he's made,
of what HIS dna as a coach. Is BUT i
would also know the. Person is this person going to
be able to do? It because there's different people off
of different, trees some, succeeded some. DIFFERENT i, mean you
look at The Bill belichick tree for, instance there have
(27:30):
been a lot of guys off that tree that didn't.
Succeed those kind of dry it. Up so it matters
in the sense THAT i kind of want to know
a GUY'S, dna but it doesn't matter to. Me it's
not a make or break for. Me i'm gonna want
to know what he's bringing to the table in terms of,
assistance what his pipeline is as far as that, go
especially if it's a defensive minded head, COACH i, NEED
i really need to know what that offensive plan is
(27:52):
if your coordinator gets. Poached but you, know at the
end of the, DAY i THINK i want to know YOUR,
dna but that's not a deal breaker for. Me like you,
know you you come off The North turner, Tree that's
not gonna be a deal, break you know that kind
of Thing.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
North turner, tree is there s a? TREE i, mean you, know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
We've been watching The Indiana hoosiers taking on The Oregon
ducks and he out twenty one to seven with five
point thirty eight left in the second, Quarter indiana taking
over again After oregon takes back to back sacks and
is forced to. Punt so keeping an eye on that,
one but in he had a firmly and cruise control
on the on that one right.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
There, Man, OH i MEAN i didn't expect this type
of performance out Of oregon known as though this is
the second, meeting, right the first one was pretty, close
BUT i didn't expect for them to jump out.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
To this type of.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Lead and for, Me oregon is not built to come
back from a from large, Deficits so they don't start
to muster some points offensively and make a stand.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Defensively heart me in trouble because right now.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's in danger of or is danger of it being
over before the.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Half well, yeah AND i almost say it just, Now
AND i know we can't really it's not fair to
just kind of Book, indiana but almost just, said, like hey,
man you might as well just Book indiana going back
To miami And Fernando mendoza being able to play in
front of his.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Grandparents. Right, SO i don't want to say it is too,
early but.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Man was saying that it's not. Over but we would
push back against, that, say look at looks like it's.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Over Christ indiana takes the ball down the field right
now in this drive the, Scores.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
YEAH i think you. Wrap, YEAH i think twenty eight
seven might be a little bit much for THE organduct
to come. Back we'll keep an eye on that as
as we continue on On Broncos country. Tonight coach of
The year coming? Up do you like for Everybody i've talked,
to you thinks it's gonna be A. Rabel you know.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
What Big johnson was in the running until they lost
To San. Francisco. UH i think Cal shanahan is in the,
running BUT i think it's going to go To Mike.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Rabel and WHEN i started looking at this whole thing
Of coach of The, year and granted it's an excellent
honor for whatever, organization whatever, coach don't want to take
away from, that but he got me to, thinking.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Is there a lot of value into being named coach
of The.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Year the Reason i'm WHY i say this bit because
when you think.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
About who actually votes well.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
A two time in offout coach of The, year, Right,
Right so that means is, though if you are winning this,
award that means.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Obviously the previous year you didn't do.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well in the case Of Kevin, Stefanski cleveland was or
has been historically. Bad so you win ten games and
in this case they went eleven and, five You coach
of The. Year But i'll ask, you do you think
that there's value that other than saying that you wanted
and maybe having coaching incentives where you get financial.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Contributions other than that doesn't really.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Matter, yeah other than, that, No AND i would suggest
that as a two horse race Between Vraibel bloo And mike,
McDonald AND i Think vrabel's gonna. Win but end of the,
day that award typically goes to the coach that exceeded. Expectation.
Right nobody had The patriots of the two. Seed nobody
had The seahawks as. One actually you had this here
was pretty. High but most people did not Have seahawks
as a very high seed this. Year and SO i
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think those two guys kind of exceeded. Expectation Liam cohen exceeded.
Expectation Ben johnson exceeded. Expectation SO i think what happens
is that award kind of whether whether it's meant to or,
not winds up going to coaches that sort of exceeded
expectations rather than maybe the coach that actually deserves it
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in a lot of, cases AND i don't think that
there's much value to it other than if it's a contract,
incentive Because, okay Like i've never seen a coach telt
that they Won coach of The.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Year, Right so would it be better to just call
and sad coach of the year the most improved.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
KINDA i mean kinda it might be something that they
need to look into with that, award because that's what
it seems like it kind of defaults to at this
point rather than what it's supposed to. Be Broncos country
AND i get in a, break we'll be back upter
this
Fellows. We are on Wild Card weekend Eve. We've got
football going on between Indiana and Oregon. Indiana out to
the early lead with the pick sticks touchdown right off
the bat, but Oregon coming right back to tie it
up at seven with Dante More throwing a touchdown pass
from I have about twelve yards out give or take
still in the first quarter in that one. Had a
(00:23):
great game last night between Miami and Old News. Miami,
even with flu decimating the locker room, still pulls out
the victory. And I know Miami native Nick Ferguson is
a proud man.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, I'm happy, not just not because it was the
University of Miami. I am happy because it was the
ACC and right now, as it stands, for the third
year in the row, there are no SEC teams.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I would like to rescind my earlier comment and refer
to your title instead of as of Miami, Nate of
as SEC hater Nick Ferguson, and I was for Miami
in that one. It's just fun. I'm the known SEC hawk.
I picked to Andy and I guess Alabama. I picks
Miami against uh uh ole miss. The SEC was down
a little bit this year, it's been down a little bit,
(01:16):
you know, as far as that, as far as that
stuff goes, I think, uh, we'll see. Look at the
recruiting stuff early. It looks like to maybe a little
resurgence next year. But for right now, all those that
hate the SEC can certainly crow as they will not
be in the National Title Game.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Why it's not that I don't hate the SEC.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You do them?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
No, No, I'm not, but I don't. No, it is
I don't know what T shirt you guys talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But security is and Exchange Commission.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
My whole thing with the SEC.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Every single year they are set up and it just
seems though it's just kind of a long standing tradition.
And with the addition to the SEC network being partnered
with the four letted network Paul Finebaum being extension of
that as well, it's been over promotion of the SEC.
So to finally see you know that that the way
(02:04):
that things that kind of taking place, and it's taken been,
uh the transfer portal in.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
The n I l to disrupt and dismant to this
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You mean legally playing paying players instead of in the
entire time.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yes, it's the reasons keep it no more, No more
brown backs church shakes in his suitcase, you know, yeah,
no more brown bags in the church. Yes, And this
is the reason why keeping it the buck Nick Saban
decided to opt out and just kind of abruptly retire because.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The scales were now balanced.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Other schools can now do the same thing that Alabama
and SEC schools had done for so many years.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And we're talking.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
About carrying the bag, literally the bag itself and being
able to get players. So now that Indiana is able
to do it, you know, they got John Cougar melacap right,
and they got Mark Cuban donating money to the program.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You're able to go out there and sign top tier talent.
So yes, was I excited? Yes? Am I happy? Yes?
Not more so than my.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Former teammate Andre Johnson who went to the U and
Clint Porters, who as soon as they won he couldn't
help with videos, the trash talk, the trash talk, and
now some of the some of my former teammates are
going back at Clinton talking about running back and Clint's
basically like.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Hey man, scared money, don't make none.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But because I really feel as though the university reminded me.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
This is the year.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This is the year for Mario Chris of Baul and
how about a story for him? Leave Oregon, come back
to your alma mater with this whole dream and this
idea of getting them to the National Championship Game and
winning it. I mean, so there's so many storylines, man,
That's why I love college football. I love NFL, but
I love college football, especially this time of the year
because all the storylines.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, will continue to keep our eye on that. As
the Indian offense is finally taking the field uh in
this game after uh what is it halfway through the
first quarter?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Without uh, without the future number one overall pick right there,
maybe we'll see I mean, well, honestly, honestly, both these
quarterbacks are theoretically that guy, although I will tell you
people I talk to have these guys graded significantly lower
uh than normal first overall type picks.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Are you hating on Fernando Mendoza's a guy?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But like him? No, I don't even wrong. I like
him personal. He's gonna kill in the interview rooms. But
I mean, you're talking about a guy who's the poor
man's Kirk Cousins. So you drafted that number one overall.
You drafted Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, you drafted Andy Dalton
number one overall. Is that you spent in a first
overall pick on that. I mean, I hope the Raiders
pur to pick on that. Well.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Listen, based on what Mendoza has done thus far, I
say that he is better than the comps that you've
attached to him, right, the way that he moves the ball,
ball placement, the teams that he's been a to beat
getting him to this particular point. You got to give
the guy some credit. Now, are we saying that he
is Tom tom Brady? But no, he hasn't kind of
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reached that pinnacle yet.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
But nobody knew Tom Brady was Tom Bradley.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Exactly right, Like even Peyton Manning, Like we know Peyton Manny.
You know, he had a name and he was really
talented at Tennessee, but that first year was in great
for him and he went on he learned he got
with Tom mor than all of a sudden, you know,
he's a Hall.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Of Famer real quick.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Going back to last night's game, I thought Carson Beck
just balled out of his mind running that last touchdown.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And what's his draft grade. Where's he looking at? Getting
pig mid round you know, mid to late round type guy,
Matt Lioner type, you know that kind of thing. I mean,
he's made him back up. Yeah, the limited arm, you
know which I mean Mendoza has a bit of a
limited arm too. We're being honest here. Uh, he's not
He's not out there just you know, cutting the wind
or anything like that. I think he's a very good
college quarterback. I think his story's fun. I think Indiana
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has an absolute chance to win the national championship with him.
Still would not if I'm the Raiders and I would
run in that organization, we would not be using our
number one pick on a quarterback. So think about what
Ben is saying.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And we've had, you know, talent evaluate to say this
about quarterbacks. You know, for so many years it was
the same talent evaluation of a guy like Brock Perdy
and say what you want, even though he was mister revelevant.
Look at what Rock Perdy has been able to do
since he's been in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And everyone has this.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Kind of perfected look as far as what they're looking
for in a quarterback. And then there are the comps
this guy reminds me of this particular guy. Why can't
we just look at that guy just kind of like
just a soul entity.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What does he do?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
From let's say, from a quarterback standpoint, since we're talking
about quarterbacks, that could probably make a team better.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Because what if I heard all.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The time, even though I don't subscribe to it, well,
you know, a good quarterback makes everyone else around him better.
I don't subscribe to that because it's still a team game.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's I think both things could be true,
but a good quarterback makes you know, if you could
take a mediocre team and make them, you know, above average,
you could take it above average team and make them
good with you know, the quarterback can elevate the guys
around him, but he also needs guys around him, and.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
He's talent, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
As far as Mendoza, I mean, why do we do
comps because it's easier to kind of Okay, I'm trying
to tell you about traits, but it's easier for I
think people to visualize if I say that, if I
tell you that somebody is like the poor Man's Kirk
Cousins or Andy Dalton, you sort of get what I'm
talking about at that point when I'm when I'm doin
a discrack. But once again, you you yeah, I will be.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You kind of need the witness when you say he's
a poor man this they're just putting poor man in
front of that player's name kind of dumbs down and
invalidates that player and whatever level production that he brings
to the table.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think he is a very close to a Kirk
Cousins comp but I don't think he's as good as
Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I disagree. Man, watching his kid play and watching him
beat the teams that he's beating, the man to throw
that he's made, you got to give him a little
more credit than that.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well as a pro prospect as a college player. Again, awesome,
awesome collegiate quarterback. You know, Colt Brennan was an awesome
collegiate quarterback. He was not an NFL caliber guy.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So it was Tim Tebow, that's.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, same thing, yes, yeah, but Tim Tebow couldn't throw
the ball exactly well, but guys in cult Brennan could
throw the ball. He didn't have the arm strength. I mean,
I I can go on and all with this stuff.
Clint Kingsbury was a hell of a hell of a
college quarterback, and there's a reason he's a coach right
now and not the all time leading But you only look.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
At some of these quarterbacks and we say they are
great college quarterbacks. We're looking for NFL traits. There's certain
NFL trads and be altruistics that you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
There's an arm strength baseline. There's the ability to decipher
the field quickly, throw with anticipation, put the ball on
the money where the receiver is gonna be rather than
waiting for them to come open. With Mendoza, one of
the things you kind of see here too is when
they rotate covers from the backside, you can see it
in case he sort of freezes up a little bit
as if he doesn't see it right away. Now, maybe
that's a guy that doesn't have enough reps, because you're
(09:05):
talking about a guy who only had it was less
than a thousand passing attempts throughout his entire collegiate career.
He only played. He played nine games his first game
at cal An eleven a second and he didn't play
full season, so he may not have the full compliment
of reps when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, I want to look at it and say, well,
he doesn't have full complimentary reps because we know every quarterback,
bettery quarterback, especially when they start out and young quarterbacks,
they all have their their issues and things that they
are dealing with as they progressively get better. But for me,
looking at and watching Mendoza more, I started to change
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my mind because at first, Ben, I did have that
same perspective that you have when in value with Mendoza.
But I said, well, let me look at him with
a fresh set of eyes. Let me not compare him
or try to compare him to anyone. What is it
that he does well that would be viewed on the
next level like, Okay, we want a guy to be
able to do those types of things, and I think
(10:03):
he has that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean, the good news is we're going to find
out one way to the other. Obviously I disagree with that,
but I will absolutely eat a plate of Ryan's tofu
or something if if I'm wrong on that, We'll get
some carrot caken here.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But you know what, Ben, here's what we want to
touch on really quickly because last night's game, I think
I can relate it to both the Broncos and the
CU Buffs. And this is how because what do we
see from Carson Beck and that last drive fifteen plays
seventy five yards. He moved the ball down the field,
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put him a scoring position, made great decisions side the
red zone, scrambled when the coverage took away his options,
and scored the game winning what ended up being a
game winning touchdown.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But more than that, they ran the ball both.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Ole miss and especially the University of Mind me. They
ran the ball well because Mark Fletcher Junior twenty two
carries by himself, twenty two carries by himself for one
hundred and thirty three yards.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
That was straight balling. And when you talk about Chris.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Ball wanting a downhill, physical, run, down your throat run game.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's what they had.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And what did we not see last year for the
CU Buffs They didn't run the ball well. Now they
ran it better this year than they have in years pass,
but they still needed a commitment.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
To the run game.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And exactly, and I'll say the same thing could be
said about the Denver Broncos. Right, we've seen like last
game RJ. Harvey rushed fifteen times and he averaged one
point nine to carry right fifteen times, but this kid,
Mark Fletcher twenty two times for one thirty three out
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of six point oh yards carry, which.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Is what Jalia was averaging in that game too, by
the way.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Exactly so once again, and this is why I wanted
to kind of bring this up, looking at last night's
maybe the Broncos and let see you buffs, take a
page of this book and not just say run the ball,
but show a level of commitment to the run game.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, I mean, we'll certainly see on that the main
thing like for me, like again with the going back
to Mendoza and more and all that kind of stuff,
And I would love to see you establish this commitment
to the run game. Brennan Maryon typically does. That's typically
what they do. I would love to see that. But
these guys, I mean we were talking aboutarlier passing attempts.
I want to compare this, like Mendoza has less than
(12:32):
a thousand passing attempts for his career. You know, you
got guys like coming in the league, like Eightie Dalton,
it's like what seventeen hundred drop backs and you know
Pat Holmes are almost two thousand drop backs. Like there's
a difference in see getting that many more reps at
the college game and seeing that stuff and being ready
and so that's that's the other part of that, being
prepared for that. As far as the run stuff goes, Yeah,
I'd love for them to start taking pages out of
these books and running the football. I think I think
(12:54):
every team in Colorado right now, I don't think runs
a football enough, especially given that you can have an
advantage with altitude and tiring people, especially lat in games.
Put it to them, have some fresh backs, rotate that
fresh back through in the fourth quarter and let them
put the game away for you.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, all of that is is definitely true.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And the one thing that I love more about watching
college football, and especially in the end and the way
that Kurt Signetti kind of deploys his offense is it's
very balanced. And I know with some of the quarterbacks
that you mentioned coming out of college, those guys really
elevated their status because they were throwing at a high
(13:33):
level and when you get to the next level and
balance is so vital.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It is definitely so important.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So even when you watch Mendoza, you know on that
last drive it was a combination of passes.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Hand the ball off play action.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All of those are characteristics of an NFL offense.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And you know, usually we see quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Look through the sideline. We saw that a lot when
Shi Kelly was at Oregon. Quarterbacks looking at the sideline.
There's hand gestures and big posters with actors' faces on it.
And we know in the NFL, if that's not gonna happen,
it's like, can we can we call a play? You
get it, get to the line of scrimmish, diagnose it,
get the offensive line in the right protection, go through
your progressions, find the open receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
If that guy's not there, pull the ball down, move
to move the chains with your feet right. So this
is why I see when I look at.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Mendoza, these are attributes that I'm seeing something similar to
what we see on every every Sunday with thirty two teams.
Maybe some teams do it better, but I still look
at him as a valuable prospect.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I go back to this relating into the.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Denver Broncos, seeing more of that take place with the
Broncos offense with bow knicks. We saw Carson Beck last night,
who typically during the season didn't really use his legs.
He used his legs in the game against Oh Miss.
This is something that we know bo Nicks excels at
and that should be incorporated in some way and also
(15:00):
utilize to put the defense on their heels and give
them more to try to plan for.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
As far as stopping to Broncos.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Offense, yeah, Carson Beck, by the way, that was his
second rushing touchdown of the year. He just doesn't. He's
just not, you know, not that guy when it comes
to that. As far as the rest of it goes like, look,
I don't think that Mendozo or Dante More or Ty
Simpson or whatever who's declared. I don't think these guys
are not did he why did he know he needs
(15:27):
more reps? I don't think these guys are like they're
not horrible, They're just not number one overall. We're the
guys like if I look at the I look at
all three of these guys, and I'm like, none of
them are guys that jump into the league and are
you know, top half of the league guys. I don't
know that the ceiling on any of these guys is
top ten quarterback in this league. Doesn't look like it's me.
(15:48):
And if I'm doing that. What am I doing with
the number one overall pick? Taking that guy? Like, if
it's me and I'm the Raiders, I've got problems all over.
I'm not throwing a quarterback that I already think needs help.
You know, as you've talked about you need to surround
them with help. I'm not throwing that quarterback in the mix.
I'm taking that draft pick. I'm trying to find somebody
to sucker to come up and get it. I'm moving back.
I'm continuing to build out my team and I'm loading
(16:11):
up for next season when the arch Manning sweepstakes begin.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So you're holding out all for arch.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Manning, Well, I mean not necessarily, but you get the idea.
Like for you know, I'm trying to get into that
sweepstakes for the next year, and we'll use a bridge
quarterback in the interim to get us there. I'll go
out and I'll pay because we're the Raiders. We have
a ton of caspase. I'll pay a Kyler Murray or
a to a tug of a Lowe first season to
guide us through while we do that. And as I've
added multiple draft picks, now I have the flexibility to
(16:39):
be able to get up there and get my guy
if I want to.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
The Raiders have number one overall pick, could they move back, Yes,
I would think it would be a mistake. Mendoz is
your guy unless something wild happened that I don't anticipate happening.
But also to the Raiders have ten picks, and they
have one hundred and ten million dollars to spend a
free agency. They can find a ways to put talent
around Mendoza. It's a lot better than what they had before.
(17:03):
And I know we in Broncos country, no one wants
to hear us talk about the Raiders or we're still
we're talking about, you know football. Well, this is how
I'm thinking as a football because it comes down to
how do you want to build a team, right, And
you're not gonna fix all your issues in one draft
and one year free agency, right, It's gonna take some time.
But you got to start with picking a quarterback so
you can say, well, I got that out of the way,
(17:24):
and I can spend all my money on veteran players
to make the group around him much better.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
See, I'm the other way around with that. I'm building
out my team and if I don't absolutely one hundred
believe that that guy in that draft is a future
top five quarterback. Go to win me multiple Super Bowls.
I am passing and using bridge you guys until I
find that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Good luck on that GM and that head coach. Give
you those extra years. You're gonna need to see your
plan come to for wish.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I have a I'll hand off a hell of a
team to somebody else if I don't, if I don't
hit on it well doing that well, I mean because
someone else. My job is to make the team better,
not preserved by job.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right. Oh you think that's what Pete Carroll's thinking right now?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I think Pete Carroll should have fired his son, who
was the offensive line coach there and the Raiders and
it cost him his job. Should have hired his kids.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I don't agree. Great, it seemed like you have something
to say.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
No comment, Roses. I'd take him to this. It sounds
so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I want to keep on the Glory to God. We're
never supposed to be in this position.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But by glory God, the great coaches.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Great damits, every we have around us, we were able
to pull this off.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
You never thought what would be here, But now who's just.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We're flipping tams.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Let go.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
A little nifty little run there by your boy, Mendoze.
That Dalton to him, I heytatle Andy Dalton to him.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You caught Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins and that's what
we're getting. And that may be the best version of
Freddie mean Doze better than those two guys independently, but
collectively he's doing work.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
People forget that Andy Dalton had nearly two thousand rushing
yards in college and twenty two rushing touchdown. By the way,
They forget how athletic he was.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Now, remind me where did Andy Dalton start his career
TCU No, I mean I mean in the pros? I
mean no, Sin Bengals exactly right there we go, and
that right there was his downfall.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
He had nothing to.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Do with it. But going to Cincinnati was his downfall.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, people forget Andy Dalton had sixteen hundred plus rushing
yards in college and twenty two rushing touchdown. He could
move Rufford was up. Yeah, Well he was athletic back
in the day. And it's the thing like when I
compare Mendoza to him, it's not when I say Dalton
it's not a slight because people remember late Andy Dalton
where he was just an old guy with the arm,
and I'm like, man, Andy Dalton used to be a
heck of a heck of a player like That's that's
(19:39):
not to say he can't. And I believe Mendoz was
a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL. I just don't
believe that's a guy's putting team on us back in
the league.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Well, I think he's capable of doing it. He's showing
it with in the end. Obviously, the league is something
entirely different. But also when you get to the league,
you have more quality talent surrounding you at that point.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
But also to Cawl tell you a guess, let me ask,
let me just put it this in perspective, would you
rather have Bo Nix or Friend or Mendoza b Nicks?
There you go and there And that's the prof point.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And the reason why. Because I'm different from a lot
of people. I like my quarterback to have some athleticism, athleticism.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Let's take the athleticism about it. Would you as a
passer only, would you rather have Mendoza or Bonix? For me,
still gonna be Bo.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Well, listen, I've seen Mendoza makes some let me tell
by saying, I'm gonna say Mendoza. And the reason I'm
gonna say Mendoza because I've seen Mendoza make some great plays. Now,
bo athleticism allows him to make a lot of, you know,
significant plays. When he gets outside of the pocket, he
still has to clean up his his footwork because he
has a tendency to throw off one foot and used
(20:52):
to all of his armstrend. But with a guy like
Mendoza who knows that he isn't as athletic as a
guy like Baul men athleticism, he's gonna play and he's
gonna stay within his realm, inside his box, similar to
Drew Brees, a Tom Brady and a paid many.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You know that you may be, you know, not.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
As inclined to to be that top tier of a
quarterback from athleticism standpoint. So you're gonna lean on the
things that make you great, and those attributes won't work
well with Mendoza, probably not so much with boat Nicks.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
One thing I will say about Mendoz is he does
have the size. He's uh, he's six' four and he's
a legit six four and a half to twenty. Five
he's got the size that that is the one THING
i will say That, yeah maybe that you, Know Andy
dolton didn't have That mendoza does have and.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That helps out, quarterbacks especially in THE nfl because, ideas you,
know when you're, tall you can see over a, lineman
just like when The broncos are playing A Green May.
Packers that was kind of the the evaluation to break
down That van josp said. About you would love his
ability to make plays with his, feet but also the
(22:05):
ability to see.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Over linement because how tall he.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Is, Right, so, well once again we split in hairs
here and both quarterbacks are definitely well within.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Their right to be.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Validated BUT i see The raiders Taking mendoza and if
they do the right thing and build the right team
around him with the draft picks and the cap space they,
have potentially he'd be.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
A competitive that we shall. See nick wanted to talk
about unlocking coaching.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Trees, yeah you, know, well here's something that's interesting because
as we get into this new coaching, cycle we're evaluating you,
know coaches and depending on what coaching tree you came,
from it allows you to somewhat skip the line and
get ahead and maybe go from a quarterback coach to O,
(22:54):
ceo from a quarterback coach to an offensive. Coordinator and
there are a couple of coaching trees that that came to.
Mind Seem payton is starting to build his coaching. Tree,
obviously you Know Sean payton is extension Of Bill parcells
uh coaching, tree WHICH i mean the most prolific guy
of the tree is by Far Bill.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Belichick.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Right but then they got me to thinking About Mike,
shanahan you, know AND i, said, well when you look
within the, league there are.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Branches, there there's, leaves there are, trees.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
There are roots that you can say That Mike shanahan
has produced this group of.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Coaches and you continue to, see even.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Though mike mc dames fired with The Miami, dolphins there
are potential oc jobs out.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
There The.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Lions NOW i thought it would be you, know The
washington commanders went, right which WHICH i want to see
how that works out because blow is only a couple
of years removed from being a backup with The Detroit.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Lions and THEN i think there's A i think there's
something to this Because Dan quinn Let, lafleur, McDaniel those
guys out the door when they were In atlanta to Replace,
kyle When kyle was THE oci. There he let them
out the door because he wanted more. Experience AND i
think this was a situation where he Saw blou as
an up and comer and did not want to let
him out the door and make the stay mistake he
did In atlanta where he let a guy that was
young out the door just because he was WORRIED i
(24:17):
didn't have the.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Experience, yeah and once you look, at you, know the
coaching tree For Mike.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Shannell it's, huge it's.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
HUGE i, Mean Anthony, Lynn sean, McVay Robert, Sala Matt,
Lafleur Zach, Taylor keV, Stefanski yeah, Right gary K, Klink.
Kobyac there's so. Many and some of these older coaches
too though that that don't get.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Wrong Jim, Bates Jim, haslett both those guys came out
To shanahan. Tree Art shell was off The Shanahan. Tree
terror Just Gray rhodes was off The Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Tree Arthur smith And Luke. Getzi, yeah you, know and
and HERE i never thought about, This, ben but AS
i was thinking about coaching.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Trees h your your your own co Host Nick.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Ferguson, yeah is off of, that that that coaching tree
BECAUSE i spent time In San francisco Under Kyle shanahan
And Roberts island And Damiico. Ryans and then when you
think from and he played For mike, well and AND
i played For, mike AND i also, say but let's
take it a step, further right WHEN i think about scouting,
(25:24):
trees because we always talk about coaching.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Trees we never talked scouting.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Tree you, KNOW i did my scouting internship last year
during the summer thanks to The broncos general Manager George,
peyton SO i got a chance to you, know sit
under him and watch. Him Kelly klein helped out a.
LOT i, mean it was so it was so many.
People but when we think coaching, trees obviously we're having
this conversation for, me the godfather of all coaching, trees
(25:51):
WHERE i figured that it all comes from now in today's,
Game Bill.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Walsh, yeah And mike is a second genera off Of
walsh as, well if you're A seaford. Guy but you,
KNOW i mean, yeah Because mike worked Under, Danary he's
And George seaffert and so, YEAH i mean there's it
all comes back To Bill. Well The wallsh trees is
really where it all. Starts and you've got you, know
kind AND i guess technically go back To Paul brown
and you, know and all that kind of stuff as.
(26:16):
Well but The wallsh tree in terms of modern football
is really WHERE i think a lot of it. Goes
and it depends on which branch of The wallsh tree you're,
on Because Andy, Reid Mike shanahan and you, Know GRUDON
mc And peyton those are all guys that are in
some way on that, tree just different branches in the same. Tree,
yeah it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Is and let me ask this question.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
When you think that owners AND i, think, well it's
it's seven jobs that are, open and you know everyone
is everyone is, eight, right H.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I forgets About. Baltimore, ye it's still.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Open it's just hard too Because harvard has been there
for so so.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Long do you think or a video you even rephrase,
that if you were an owner looking to hire your
next head, coach are you going to look at coaching
trees as determining whether you are going to hire a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Or not what does that factor, In, well yes and,
no it's. NOT i, Mean i'm going to want to
know his. Etymology i'm going to know what he's made,
of what HIS dna as a coach. Is BUT i
would also know the. Person is this person going to
be able to do? It because there's different people off
of different, trees some, succeeded some. DIFFERENT i, mean you
look at The Bill belichick tree for, instance there have
(27:30):
been a lot of guys off that tree that didn't.
Succeed those kind of dry it. Up so it matters
in the sense THAT i kind of want to know
a GUY'S, dna but it doesn't matter to. Me it's
not a make or break for. Me i'm gonna want
to know what he's bringing to the table in terms of,
assistance what his pipeline is as far as that, go
especially if it's a defensive minded head, COACH i, NEED
i really need to know what that offensive plan is
(27:52):
if your coordinator gets. Poached but you, know at the
end of the, DAY i THINK i want to know YOUR,
dna but that's not a deal breaker for. Me like you,
know you you come off The North turner, Tree that's
not gonna be a deal, break you know that kind
of Thing.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
North turner, tree is there s a? TREE i, mean you, know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
We've been watching The Indiana hoosiers taking on The Oregon
ducks and he out twenty one to seven with five
point thirty eight left in the second, Quarter indiana taking
over again After oregon takes back to back sacks and
is forced to. Punt so keeping an eye on that,
one but in he had a firmly and cruise control
on the on that one right.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
There, Man, OH i MEAN i didn't expect this type
of performance out Of oregon known as though this is
the second, meeting, right the first one was pretty, close
BUT i didn't expect for them to jump out.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
To this type of.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Lead and for, Me oregon is not built to come
back from a from large, Deficits so they don't start
to muster some points offensively and make a stand.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Defensively heart me in trouble because right now.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's in danger of or is danger of it being
over before the.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Half well, yeah AND i almost say it just, Now
AND i know we can't really it's not fair to
just kind of Book, indiana but almost just, said, like hey,
man you might as well just Book indiana going back
To miami And Fernando mendoza being able to play in
front of his.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Grandparents. Right, SO i don't want to say it is too,
early but.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Man was saying that it's not. Over but we would
push back against, that, say look at looks like it's.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Over Christ indiana takes the ball down the field right
now in this drive the, Scores.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
YEAH i think you. Wrap, YEAH i think twenty eight
seven might be a little bit much for THE organduct
to come. Back we'll keep an eye on that as
as we continue on On Broncos country. Tonight coach of
The year coming? Up do you like for Everybody i've talked,
to you thinks it's gonna be A. Rabel you know.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
What Big johnson was in the running until they lost
To San. Francisco. UH i think Cal shanahan is in the,
running BUT i think it's going to go To Mike.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Rabel and WHEN i started looking at this whole thing
Of coach of The, year and granted it's an excellent
honor for whatever, organization whatever, coach don't want to take
away from, that but he got me to, thinking.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Is there a lot of value into being named coach
of The.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Year the Reason i'm WHY i say this bit because
when you think.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
About who actually votes well.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
A two time in offout coach of The, year, Right,
Right so that means is, though if you are winning this,
award that means.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Obviously the previous year you didn't do.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well in the case Of Kevin, Stefanski cleveland was or
has been historically. Bad so you win ten games and
in this case they went eleven and, five You coach
of The. Year But i'll ask, you do you think
that there's value that other than saying that you wanted
and maybe having coaching incentives where you get financial.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Contributions other than that doesn't really.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Matter, yeah other than, that, No AND i would suggest
that as a two horse race Between Vraibel bloo And mike,
McDonald AND i Think vrabel's gonna. Win but end of the,
day that award typically goes to the coach that exceeded. Expectation.
Right nobody had The patriots of the two. Seed nobody
had The seahawks as. One actually you had this here
was pretty. High but most people did not Have seahawks
as a very high seed this. Year and SO i
(31:30):
think those two guys kind of exceeded. Expectation Liam cohen exceeded.
Expectation Ben johnson exceeded. Expectation SO i think what happens
is that award kind of whether whether it's meant to or,
not winds up going to coaches that sort of exceeded
expectations rather than maybe the coach that actually deserves it
(31:51):
in a lot of, cases AND i don't think that
there's much value to it other than if it's a contract,
incentive Because, okay Like i've never seen a coach telt
that they Won coach of The.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Year, Right so would it be better to just call
and sad coach of the year the most improved.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
KINDA i mean kinda it might be something that they
need to look into with that, award because that's what
it seems like it kind of defaults to at this
point rather than what it's supposed to. Be Broncos country
AND i get in a, break we'll be back upter
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