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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater Hall of Fame, Mustache
Grand Smith back there producing five six six nine zero.
Of course the text line and fellas it's time number
one see Denver Broncals. We had the Buffalo Bills coming
to town Saturday afternoon. Jim nance that other guy on
the call?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Why said the other guy? He sucks?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What the guy was you, I don't know are talking
about in Tony Romo.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Oh, nobody's going to be listening to that anyway as
a commentator.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah, he's terrible, man, you must be.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
He used to be good everything. Yeah, oh my god,
he's so bad. Now you don't listen to a Tony
Romo call. I've listened to him.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It was so bad. It is not it's so bad.
I disagree, Greg Olsen, that's good. Tom's got way better.
He's still not there, but he's got better. I disagree. Man,
Tony Romo was like he.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Was so good, like the first I don't know year
that he did it or whatever, because he's so like
you have that passion in the booth and now it's like, no,
this is so about even grants with me here, great.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hell, no, roll is good. I think he's better than
Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Right, Brady's gotten better. I don't think Brady's great, He's
gotten better. Yeah, Greg Olsen to me is like the best.
I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But what makes a commentator doing being the color analyst?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What makes him great? What are some of those characteristics
I think?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I mean, it just depends because you have different types
of color analysts for different things, right, And I would
say that it's somebody that brings us into the booth, right,
brings everyday fans into the booth. With Tony did it
his first year? He had like this passion, this excitement.
You could tell he loved football and enjoyed being there. Right,
you don't you don't hear that anymore?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
A jema you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And it's a guy who hasn't played in like fifteen games,
and you're like, what do you what were you were
you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You? Did you even go to the production meeting? Dude?
Like that was one of the things that was one
of the things that hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And I can't really confirm it that some have said
that maybe Tony is not preparing the way that he
used to. And when you when you're an analyst like that,
You're you're trying to look at the game and you're trying.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
To predict what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
That's why you see most of those analysts are like quarterbacks, right,
and sometimes and how many times?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, in his first in his first year, google Tony up.
Every article is some article dunking on him for the
last week. And how horribly was hey hate man?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The first year he was great because he was able
to kind of predict and anticipate, right, especially being in quarterback.
And then as he moved on, I guess the anticipation
had changed.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And there's a number.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Amount of people who I run into and they dislike him.
I have nothing against him, right, you know, hey Man,
do you? But like Ben said, there's a number of
people who dislike him. And when you yeah, but when
you ask them why is it that you don't like this,
you know, Tony Romo, they can't really put it in
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a very descriptive way. It's almost like case in point
where individuals talk about the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Right, they may say, well, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
A fallacy that this team is where they are because
they're fourteen and three. They say, okay, well tell me
what it is about them that you don't like? And
it's like, oh, okay, well I don't really believe in them. Okay,
well what does that mean? You don't really believe in
them all? They're not really a fourteen and three type
of team. I say, well, what does the fourteen and
three team actually look like? And for some of them
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to give them the credit that they're going to detail
as to what they don't see with the Broncos that
they may see with another team. So everyone has their
own opinion. Does it always make sense? Not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Well, there are a lot of Cowboys fans out there,
and some people may be mad at them because he
didn't win the Big One.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Like this has to do with this performance. I don't
care about that. There are some people out there like that.
You can't tell me.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And there are people that don't like Tony Romo because but.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
See, that's different.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
See to me, that has nothing to do with the
job and what the job entails.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's personal. But you that's personal.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That's why when I think about what this job and
what we do is and a great James Brown, not
James Brown the musician, but James Brown who's on the
CBS once told me he was just like, well, when
you get into this business, don't make it personal, right,
talk about the play, not the player.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And I've seen so many individuals who.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Went to journalism school or individuals who are former players
now in this industry, they make it personal because they
think that that is going to move them forward in
their career being.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
In that particular way.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So, once again, I have no issue with Tony Romo,
but once again, taking it back to the Broncos for
just a second, this is why there is a disparity
when you talk about how we may look at this
team locally and how people may look at it from
a national standpoint.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
For a national standpoint, there's not a lot of respect
on the Broncos. That line shifted from the Broncos being
one and a half favorites to be a one and
a half dogs in ten minutes as the betting public
bet at the other direction. Now the Bills are favored
by one and a half the four one two on
the text line. Then last season the Broncos lost, you
were the guys saying the Bills offensive line is bigger
than our defensive line. We still have the same d
line as last year. What can we do about the
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size difference between the linemen? And I think that's where
this is going to come in. I think as we
talk about this team, you look at the Bills. They're
perilously thin in the wide receiver room. I bet they're
going with a bunch of twelve personnel. They're already bigger
than us. This looks like I try to run it
down our throats kind of game. As a defense, how
do you prepare for knowing that that's probably coming?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's coming, we know it's coming.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
By the way, for me to answer the question how
you prepare for it is you have to make sure
that every guy across the defensive line, secondary and on
the second level with being the linebackers, they.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Know runs fits.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And that's the one thing I could say when I
was here with Mike Shanahan that we always knew because
we practiced against an outside zone team that had a
lot of movement, So you had to train your eyes
to see certain things. So having a game plan where
you are building it to stop the run, but also
walking your players through these plays and making sure guys
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know exactly how to fit on the run. And that's
the other thing you know what I don't know about you.
We had this when I was there. Every Thursday, we
would get the group together. Now John Lynch and I
were hit it like every day, but on Thursday, that
was the specific day that we brought the DB's to
the bag.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now this was after practice. Now the DB's never knew.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Mike Shanahan used to always sit in his room and
in his office and he would be able to see
who was out there and who was doing what. Because
we did have some guys who didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We call that big bag.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
We called it Hirshey Walker because it was humongous and
it was a monster to try to get your arms around.
So it forced you to overexaggerate the tackling action and
that's what you needed to do. So hopefully these guys
walked through their run fits force Field spill knew exactly
where that next person outside and inside them is.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But more important, Steve, it is hit, wrap and draft
for five. And what that means is you wrap, use
your arms, grab cloth, and you but mentally you're intending
to drive that player five yards back.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If they don't do that, that makes their job.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
That much hard on Saturday, hitting and driving them five
yards back.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, I don't know that that's happening. If somebody asked me,
I played Mike front John knocking out.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That sounds great, son sound to execute, and then Mike
Tysonness is laughing at.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Me as I but the whole I didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You have to prepare your guys mentally to give them
somewhat of the confidence that you can do it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Obviously that sounds like coach speak and I and I
get it. But if you overemphasize it in practice, once
you get into the game, now, it becomes naturally a
part of you. I mean, that's how it worked for
me in my game.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh, I get you gotta have the mentality coach to
you all that. I'm talking more tactically. You know these
guys are coming twelve. You know they're gonna have two
tight ends in there. You know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Everybody gotta be ready to play and the gotta be
ready to be physical because there's gonna be a physical
ball game. They're gonna try to run it. Uh, Josh Allen,
he's huge. I don't know how he's even playing. To dude,
hit his hand on the helmet. They twisted his knee
up when he scored a touchdown and he didn't miss
one play, not one these guys that wolvering blood.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I'm bro.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Man, what is he?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Uh huh? I mean one of them shots.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
That's the Hopefully you'll be nice and sore when he
gets there, you would.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well. Yeah, at the other.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Side of these seas, there's some Are there some schematic
things you can do to change things? Can you get
bigger as a front maybe putting the wasa rique in
where Franklin Myers is. Maybe take Frankly Myers and put
him in uncertain situations for Benito, who's maybe a little
light in the backside and when it comes to that
maybe struggles a little with run fits sometimes, whereas he's
a great pats rusher. Maybe you move Frankly Myers, who's
spent at forty three in before. Could you maybe put
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him outside give yourself a little more hold.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Though you're talking about I know you people inflate stats,
but you can't inflate players.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What do you feed him a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeeze and then just give him some water to ballowing
them up?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
No, that's not gonna happen. You can't do that by Saturday.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, I'm I'm saying, yeah, I'm saying, put a Waso
Rica in Franklin Myers spot and move Franklin Myers to
Benito's spot.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, so you know you can handle a run.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Theoretically you can do that, But now when you think
about from execution standpoint right, can you get it done consistently?
You have a lot of sized body, but are you
as athletic as you need to be?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Contained?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think Franklin Myers can mean he's he's a hell
of an athlete for that size.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's not gonna be here next year because he can
get a better contract.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
But don't understand that. I know, I understand. I'm not
saying that he wouldn't be strong enough. Would he be faster?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Though?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, I think as soon as you see that, if
you're if you're the Bills, don't you you come back
with some kind of tight end, you know, play action,
make the tight end, put him out in coverage type scenario.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Man I run a design quarterback running we getting outside,
we put in guards.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If you getting there, we're mowing guys down. If you
do that, well, I mean, Frankly Myers is two eighty eight. Though,
I mean he's not going to shy away from a
guard coming.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's not like but you know at two thirty five,
where you know, okay, with big guys like that, you
don't need.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
To put them on the ground skates.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
All I need to do.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And Shannon Sharp used to talk about this all the
time when we played together. All I need to do
is getting your way for like one point five seconds. Yeah,
and we get outside, okay. And and because think about
what how Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Are running their game plan against Jacksonville. They were trying to.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Get outside, yeah, right, and it was working the outside
stretch zone with Cook's cutting back. And if you have
a guy on that backside that he's cutting back to,
that's not as athletic he getting outside.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But I mean it's a little bit different with the Broncos,
who would ostensibly be on a five man front at
that point versus a four man front that you had.
You know with Jacksonville, it's easier to get that edge
when you've got a four man front.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, here's what you gotta be careful about. Yeah, you
have to have the mentality where you want to stop.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
To run and don't get suckered on a pass.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You can get twelve personnel, the thirteen personnel from the
Buffalo Bills, and like I experienced when I played against
the Pittsburgh Steelers, they lined up in that same personnel
that looked like a running for me, just like an
and guess exactly what they did. Play action passed through
the ball to the tight end. But that's where good
eyes come in.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
We'll see you gotta run. You know this, Steve.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
If a team continues to run the ball with his
running a quarter back, what happens with your eyes?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Sometimes you have bad eyes. I mean, well, not not you,
but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Some guys get sucked in like a monster flame when
they see play actions. They want to make this make
this play in the back video because you don't, because
some guys don't want to make that physical big boy
tackle from twelve to fourteen, then pointing at himself.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You guys can't see at the studio, but guilty party camp,
we've seen the video.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
The idea is, when when you're playing a game like this,
you have to realize it's gonna hurt either way.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's top of them on their side of the well.
The line of scrimmage there to hit you on your side.
On your side, it hurts a lot more.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
If I see a defender with green stains on the
back of his jersey, that's the problem. You lost a
lot of battles, dog, They lost a lot of battles.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I think a lot of it is just mentality too,
knowing that, look, man, this is a physical game.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
We got we gotta put our big boy pads on.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Is there anything to the idea of circling back and
get revenge on last year? You guys ever had that
when you were playing a game from the previous year
where you got you got built put to you and
you wanted to come back.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
They got us Steve.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
There and but yeah, we we knew we should have
won that one, but they played well.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You gotta get him the credit that beat us.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
And but the next year we're like, oh, yeah, we've been,
we've been.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's all off season. If Michael Dean gets off the field,
if he gets off the field, that's it.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I know you're not gonna say I know you're not
gonna say anything, Steve, but I'm watching that game.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
If he gets off the field, maybe the outcomes a
little different. Who knows man end of the day. What
I'm what I'm trying to get at, is there anything too?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Is there a psychology edge for the Broncos here, who
are the number one seed and yet they're home underdogs.
The only the time that's ever happened was when Carson
Wentz went down for Philly and Nick Foles stepped in
the backup quarterback and nobody was respecting Nick Foles the
number one see being an underdog on their home turf
hadn't happened in the modern area.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I would imagine it's kind of frustrating, you know, knowing
that you've played so well, you got a bunch of
Pro bowlers.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You got guys, you know, we got a great record.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
They're playing hard all year and they they're not picking
us to win at home.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, then of our own crowd, was the Rockets have
been here before? I mean, wasn't that the same kind
of narrative heading into the game against Green Bay Little Bay?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And that was used.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So yeah, of course, just like nam Cohen used, you know,
Sean pay Car, Yes, you use this once again. You're
at home, you're the number one seed, you're fourteen and three.
Now you are the underdogs or as the shirts would say,
over the underdogs, and you try to use it now
is the only other parts of that. You have to
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go out there and you have to live that life.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You have to race it. You have to go and
take it.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
People can talk all they wanted to, talking cheap, but
once you get on the fire, that's when that's when
all the that's when the real gets real.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
See that's why I never I never talked when I
was a player.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
She did.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, I didn't talking.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
No, I never destroyed it all talking.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I'm still talking.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It was guys like Ben right, it was chirping like
as Wi. I just look see the number in the
name on the back. I'm gonna get him looking I'm
looking at you.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I was awful with that stuff, man, awful with
that stuff I was.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I was like, I was wrong for some of the
stuff I did.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Back to man, he Ben is the type of player
Like when I play, Ben would get his teammates in
truckle because.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Ben would be on the.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Either he's on the sideline chirping or he's and I
can't get him right, just shut him up. So I'm like,
I'm gonna hit his buddy, and I'm gonna tell his
buddy that light him up.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's for him. You got to say, start, is it
gonna be a long night for you? It was a worse.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We gotta lead too, because then you know, I'd pull
me out and put the second string and we're on
over the receiver, go over the receiver, and then I'm
on the corner and I'm just mouthing your your girlfriend's
phone number at you one.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
See. You know that reminds me of something like like
Chad Johnson would do.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Like Chad would try to figure out.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
That's so bismal self, yeah, saying guys pepto. And sometimes
he would say kind of about rageous things during the game.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Some were true and some were not true. The first
I'm not seeming to be and he and he would
get himself.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
From and find out see all o the schools, you know,
other schools in Arkansas, they're all tenent teen minutes way.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Everybody knows everybody right now in the rural south, and
so like that'd be the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I had somebody's cousin over to the other school, I
find out who they were dating.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'd be like, all right, what's what perfume. They wear
cool and.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Then you get out, you get lined up on him
or whatever, and you be hey, man, I got the
I got your I got the kelsey about it. We
take it to her man, I know you guys are
used to be a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You take it to her. I got a bottle of
Gucci whatever. At that Moore, I would be cared by
D three team. Really is the fifteen?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
If it happens to me, nig, you gotta you gotta
give it, like, hey, yeah, man, give it to me.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm going up give it to me after the game. No,
I don't get in the white line. I have one
guy do that through the one side. Yeah, he add, Man,
I'll run that bire, I'll run that by. And I
was like, oh, I had nothing else when I came.
Here's the difference.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
See, most guys will say, well, I'm gonna catch you
when you go to the bus. See when you do that,
that's outside the white lines.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And you can be charged for that. See I'm fired
for that. I'm fire. You tell me that. I'm saying
you can't catch me on the field, how you gonna
catch me at the bus?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
See? The thing is the bus and after the game,
he goes, but see charges get be filed after the
game between those white lines. I can't be pedalized only
fifteen yards.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I said, you can't be pedalized fifteen in a first
down charging white?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
How you calling the police? No, I'm not calling the police.
And that is this right there. I'm gonna go Mino
on mono and I'm gonna lift him off his feet,
and then I'm gonna say, keep talking, batman. Yes, yes,
I'm gonna make all fifteen of the two. I was
born in the darkness. I'm just saying I used to
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try it. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I was faiting for penalties, man, I was baiting for
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Pase, don't don't.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Don't make it seem as though I'm the only person
that's ever thought like this.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm sure you know. I no, no, no, I know
it went on. I was I was either the person
trying to get that other person going, or that's whatbody
trying to get me going. I'm like, no, bro, I
don't go for that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
He ain't get me that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You auditioning out some pain though, But there you go.
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But it's like kolate oh, Greg benbod he's got nipples. Yeah,
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we have to do. Are we gonna do the how
I met your brother or whatever it is. I don't know, Greg,
because you're talking about all I know you said nipples.
You could have just.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Chest I could have to wear on the chests for
the listeners.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You made a picture.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Wait wait, wait, wait, that's not the pisser you have
to paint.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm sitting in the studio with you. So I'm taking
chest lint right a chest height. He went strictly for
a nipples.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So we got Ryan talking about what full throat and
now you're talking about nipples.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What's happening here? What am I listening? Pull me into
this and.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Trying to sneak as many as many phrases into Yeah
every day.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I was going on over there, not not not young,
going on over he I know by the glass.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know anything about this. That's rope save. You
got to say that for forever. Oh that's great.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Welcome back to a Broncos country tonight, Ben, but all
Brighty furs in the Hall of Fame or Steve at
Water guys getting ready for this game. I think we
hit the nail on the head earlier, and I think
we I think we're all in agreement that this is
going to be a dirty, physical, ugly, get down into
trenches type of game between these two teams. You've got
a Buffalo team that's the number one defense against the
pass in the NFL twenty eighth against a run, but
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number one gets the pass versus uh.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
You know, a a Broncos team who.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And they're short receivers, by the way, on the offensive side,
it's probably gonna be down in twelve and running the
ball a lot. You gotta again, you got a Broncos
team that's, you know, maybe had the throttle loft for
the last couple of games. They haven't had to have
it on against Trey Lance and Chris uh was was
the street fighter sound effect? Guys, name, how do you
can olda duke Chris as you can whatever it is. Yeah,
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they haven't had to have their throttle on it. But
we haven't really seen to be fair dominant passing performances
out of bow Nicks maybe two three times this season.
I think the Green Bay game, you know a little
bit of that. In the Jacksonville game, we certainly saw
agains Dallas and Cincinnati, but they have you know, they
play defense.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
There was no d happening there.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
As for the rest of the season, we got largely
carried by the defense of JK and have just kind
of found ways here after JK got hurt. What what
does this team got to do to find a way
around what looks like an obvious roadblock.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Here, Well, they got to do what they've been doing.
They gotta they gotta find a way. And whether it's
I can't I can't see us coming out just pass
the ball, pass the ball, pass, but I see us
trying to establish the run. And once we get that going,
you know, we got to mix it up with some
play action pass. But they gotta do, they gotta. It
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was was Buffalo against the run?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
They are I guess the eighth in the league against
the run. They are not good against the run, but
they would against past. They are number one against the pass.
Should we do We should run the ball, and we
should keep running the ball and until they get sucked
up and then we should maybe take our judicious shots
down the field.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
At that point, Well, for me.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's not just about saying just run the ball. You
just can't turn around and hand the ball off to
a running back and say, hey, go make something happen.
You got a black blevel, Yeah exactly, And you have
to make space, you know, on your offensive line. And
that's one of the things that stood out to me
going back to the Chargers game. The Chargers, which was
one of the better teams in the league statistically against
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the run, they did a good job stifling the run.
And the one thing that I know being around Mike
Shanahan that kills your run game is penetration. So if
you're pulling your guard, that guard's got to get around.
If you are a tackle right left or whatever it is,
you have to be able to drive a guy off
the ball, re establish a new line of scrimmage, and
not allow a guy to just kind of four five.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are you talking about defense?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, y're playing based defense because the Charges was able
to you know, get pressure in the run game with
just four guys and then they started bringing you know,
delayed rushes from the middle linebacker and then they said
justin Justson Mentor said okay, well you want to run
reduced formation, I'm gonna blitch my nickel off the edge.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And there was no side adjustments.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
These are all things that I that I've seen that
the Broncos would definitely need to improve on, because when
we look at the Buffalo Bill's defense, it's much better
than it was last year. And when you look at
Tredavius White, his return has been a real boost for
them because you go back to that Jackson and Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Game, he made two clutch plays. Two clutch plays he did.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Now they're gonna be without Jordan Poyer safety. He's hurt,
and Ed Oliver's questionable for this game. Although he may
he may be back, We're not one hundred on that yet.
I leaned towards he probably will be, but he's back
in practice. He was limited today. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But I think the.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Big thing, and I've had several people, you know, pointing
out this on the text line, including the original texture
to the show, is that there there's a size advantage
already in the Buffalo offensive line against Art.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We're a little light on the defense size. I have
to go back and look.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think the I think the difference between the front
fives is two hundred and thirty five pounds in favor
of the Bills. So I think they basically they outdo
us by like thirty pounds a player.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Now, now here's one of those plays that Buffalo now has.
I guess they've become better at and more efficient at
accomplishing this play and that's a touch push. And what's
crazy about that was Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills
were big proponents of getting the push out of the lead.
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Now they've become really successful, not as successful.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
As the Eagles, but they employed that. So when you're.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Talking about third is short, fourth and short, they they've
shown that they could pick it up and your quarterback
is six y five two thirty seven. So once again
at the Bronco is prepared to face the Bills. They
have a tall at task because you have to plan
for all of this stuff. But this is where you
walk guys through certain situations and you try to very
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on a short term basis.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's very difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Easy to say, training their eyes to see certain things
right and more portly communicate what you see.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Dog, don't just be.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Out there they can you solve something and don't tell
your buddy standing next to you. Because I told Ben
that this has always been a problem even when I
played here, being able to talk to your buddy next
to you.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
The thing is that starts in practice, then I start
in the game. This starts very true, practice.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Every offensive lineman for the Buffalo Bills is over three
hundred pounds and the lightest is three ten. They've got
to guard it's three hundred and forty seven pounds. They've
got to tackle this three thirty five. Our heaviest starting
defensive lineman is two ninety. DJ's at three h five,
and then you met a wiz a Riki it's closer
to three twenty.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, we're fascinating.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well from uh, from personal experience, being fast is fun
until big and fast catches you, and then it is
not fun. Big makes a difference in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And last year we got.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Blown off the ball a little bit, like what's the
what is the recourse for that?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
This year?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, once again watching last year's game, understanding how the
Bills were successful running the ball. But more importantly, whether
you are on any level of the defense, you have
to play with your hands. You just can't run in
the body tackling and throwing your shoulders. You have to
hit shed and throw guys off, right, because how many
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times we've seen guys just running to other guys like
they're like a blind dog in the meathouse. Right, You're
just running around. You're not even using your hands. So
now if you're on the d line, you want to engage,
you want to hit and shad that guy because once
again you don't want to grab and make contact, and
you're constantly looking for where Josh Allen is. No, because
now you're giving him time to make plays playing on
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the opposite side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
For the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
There's some discipline of this too, because we all know
Alan can take off and you're gonna have to whoever's
mirroring him or whatever, it's gonna have to be disciplined.
And I crashed the cook fake uh, and then leave
that big guy. Let that big guy go rumbling rumbling
on by, because that's gonna be a problem for dbs
to bring down.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
If Josh Allen's out there in the open.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
That's intimidating boy, big big sixty five dude running for
four four flying through that hole.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
See, this is one of those games where if I
was playing with the Broncos in the secondary. I'm doing
like neck all my next neck and shoulders right as
I said, bow your neck.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
But what happened when when when he's coming, he's running
down and you say what, I guess you hope your
next level?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Hey man? Keep you No, I'm what did I say?
That's not true? Used to tackle? Man? We say man
probably say they don't pay him to tackle. They pay.
He wasn't going to try to kill you, but he
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bring you down.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Okay, I'm telling you, man, you're gonna stay out his
leg and tripute bring you down.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Bro, I don't remember. I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I don't recall Prime being that type of guy. I
just do no hatred. But it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
He was tackling. You got to show me the film
on that one.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Let's pull that's the film on it on what him
him surging for.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That career high for tackles was forty in a season.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I don't say you're a young guy, man, I'm younger
than he hold one.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Damn man, al right here, let it be light put
on the switch.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, of course, with me growing up in in his city,
honestly we all knew. But there was another name that
he would give for that. That lady loves James like
liquid lips j Yes, because every time he always does
that thing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, I like the local J Man.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I remember what he made, like the transition from rapping
to acting, and people were asking about it, like why'd
you want to become an actor? And he's like, man,
there's nothing sadder than an old rapper.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I was like, Okay, that's a self aware dude, you know,
like he's like you want to see, I'm just supposed
to be seventy and.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Rolling hard, like with an odds arise, like I acted
like a gangster and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
And I was like, okay, all right, that's real. Yeah,
some people could make that transition. He made it. He did.
He was always into acting. Yeah, Like was that Deep
Blue c movie that he did that was pretty good?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yes, So then he worked on one of those CBS.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Like Swat or something with it. Yeah, well that was
a Swat movie, but it was.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
What one of those uh police detective spin.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Off like a CSI.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Los Angeles, like Iced t you know, the former rapper
you know, like, okay, so just think about that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I remember Iced Tea, you know, in the Son Colors.
I would have.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Ejected that he would be like on someone like one.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Of these cop shows, a Law and Order for like
four years. Yeah, it's like that's that's iced tea. So yeah,
it looks entirely different.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Tell us how confident are we this weekend, because I'm
I'm struggling with my Broncos faith as far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Is it your Broncos fate or more it's what the
Bills are capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I think it's what they represent, what they do, and
what they're good at, what they're bad at, versus our
our ability to exploit that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And that's what I mean by that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think I think at the end of the day,
they're exploitable at a certain number of areas, and I
worry that we just aren't going to do.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know what, certain circles people would say that you
being a hater.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Probably hey, hey, hey hey, but it's at least not consistent.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I'm not one of those people, because I'm like, you
gotta talk about this game and anything beyond in a
very logical way, right there is there are some challenges
that the Bills present. There are some challenges that the
Broncos can present to the Bills. A defensive standpoint to
make things difficult for Josh Allen. But then ideas from
an offensive standpoint, can the Broncos capitalize off of it?
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Because we've seen in the past couple of weeks scoring
and sign the.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Red zone has become an issue.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Moving the ball from a running standpoint has become an issue.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So I can understand your comments, and I'm not trying
to hate.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'm just like there are I think there are some
very exploitable things on this Buffalo team, and I just
worry that we've got the Mike Leach of the NFL
who's not going.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
To do that.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But I would say each of the teams we've played
to a certain extent, they had some issues that we
were concerned about.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
But guess what I got. Short 'm playing.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But that's the thing that's whether the 'ber misa road
and we're talking about any opponent. Can you identify your
opponent's weaknesses but also can you exploit them? Because just
because you identify what they are, if you don't make
them work for you, then how good was it?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
So now the Broncos have to turn their weaknesses into
a strength.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
How football is sometimes you could be on you could
be playing one of your best games and stop happening.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You end up losing. Have you? Have you all been
hitting on all sanders and like right now we're hitting
on all cylinders and we got to hit a break.
Brought those countries nice. Can't wait
The Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater Hall of Fame, Mustache
Grand Smith back there producing five six six nine zero.
Of course the text line and fellas it's time number
one see Denver Broncals. We had the Buffalo Bills coming
to town Saturday afternoon. Jim nance that other guy on
the call?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Why said the other guy? He sucks?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What the guy was you, I don't know are talking
about in Tony Romo.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Oh, nobody's going to be listening to that anyway as
a commentator.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah, he's terrible, man, you must be.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
He used to be good everything. Yeah, oh my god,
he's so bad. Now you don't listen to a Tony
Romo call. I've listened to him.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It was so bad. It is not it's so bad.
I disagree, Greg Olsen, that's good. Tom's got way better.
He's still not there, but he's got better. I disagree. Man,
Tony Romo was like he.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Was so good, like the first I don't know year
that he did it or whatever, because he's so like
you have that passion in the booth and now it's like, no,
this is so about even grants with me here, great.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hell, no, roll is good. I think he's better than
Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Right, Brady's gotten better. I don't think Brady's great, He's
gotten better. Yeah, Greg Olsen to me is like the best.
I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But what makes a commentator doing being the color analyst?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What makes him great? What are some of those characteristics
I think?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I mean, it just depends because you have different types
of color analysts for different things, right, And I would
say that it's somebody that brings us into the booth, right,
brings everyday fans into the booth. With Tony did it
his first year? He had like this passion, this excitement.
You could tell he loved football and enjoyed being there. Right,
you don't you don't hear that anymore?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
A jema you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And it's a guy who hasn't played in like fifteen games,
and you're like, what do you what were you were
you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You? Did you even go to the production meeting? Dude?
Like that was one of the things that was one
of the things that hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And I can't really confirm it that some have said
that maybe Tony is not preparing the way that he
used to. And when you when you're an analyst like that,
You're you're trying to look at the game and you're trying.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
To predict what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
That's why you see most of those analysts are like quarterbacks, right,
and sometimes and how many times?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, in his first in his first year, google Tony up.
Every article is some article dunking on him for the
last week. And how horribly was hey hate man?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The first year he was great because he was able
to kind of predict and anticipate, right, especially being in quarterback.
And then as he moved on, I guess the anticipation
had changed.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And there's a number.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Amount of people who I run into and they dislike him.
I have nothing against him, right, you know, hey Man,
do you? But like Ben said, there's a number of
people who dislike him. And when you yeah, but when
you ask them why is it that you don't like this,
you know, Tony Romo, they can't really put it in
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a very descriptive way. It's almost like case in point
where individuals talk about the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Right, they may say, well, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
A fallacy that this team is where they are because
they're fourteen and three. They say, okay, well tell me
what it is about them that you don't like? And
it's like, oh, okay, well I don't really believe in them. Okay,
well what does that mean? You don't really believe in
them all? They're not really a fourteen and three type
of team. I say, well, what does the fourteen and
three team actually look like? And for some of them
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to give them the credit that they're going to detail
as to what they don't see with the Broncos that
they may see with another team. So everyone has their
own opinion. Does it always make sense? Not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Well, there are a lot of Cowboys fans out there,
and some people may be mad at them because he
didn't win the Big One.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Like this has to do with this performance. I don't
care about that. There are some people out there like that.
You can't tell me.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And there are people that don't like Tony Romo because but.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
See, that's different.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
See to me, that has nothing to do with the
job and what the job entails.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's personal. But you that's personal.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That's why when I think about what this job and
what we do is and a great James Brown, not
James Brown the musician, but James Brown who's on the
CBS once told me he was just like, well, when
you get into this business, don't make it personal, right,
talk about the play, not the player.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And I've seen so many individuals who.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Went to journalism school or individuals who are former players
now in this industry, they make it personal because they
think that that is going to move them forward in
their career being.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
In that particular way.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So, once again, I have no issue with Tony Romo,
but once again, taking it back to the Broncos for
just a second, this is why there is a disparity
when you talk about how we may look at this
team locally and how people may look at it from
a national standpoint.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
For a national standpoint, there's not a lot of respect
on the Broncos. That line shifted from the Broncos being
one and a half favorites to be a one and
a half dogs in ten minutes as the betting public
bet at the other direction. Now the Bills are favored
by one and a half the four one two on
the text line. Then last season the Broncos lost, you
were the guys saying the Bills offensive line is bigger
than our defensive line. We still have the same d
line as last year. What can we do about the
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size difference between the linemen? And I think that's where
this is going to come in. I think as we
talk about this team, you look at the Bills. They're
perilously thin in the wide receiver room. I bet they're
going with a bunch of twelve personnel. They're already bigger
than us. This looks like I try to run it
down our throats kind of game. As a defense, how
do you prepare for knowing that that's probably coming?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's coming, we know it's coming.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
By the way, for me to answer the question how
you prepare for it is you have to make sure
that every guy across the defensive line, secondary and on
the second level with being the linebackers, they.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Know runs fits.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And that's the one thing I could say when I
was here with Mike Shanahan that we always knew because
we practiced against an outside zone team that had a
lot of movement, So you had to train your eyes
to see certain things. So having a game plan where
you are building it to stop the run, but also
walking your players through these plays and making sure guys
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know exactly how to fit on the run. And that's
the other thing you know what I don't know about you.
We had this when I was there. Every Thursday, we
would get the group together. Now John Lynch and I
were hit it like every day, but on Thursday, that
was the specific day that we brought the DB's to
the bag.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now this was after practice. Now the DB's never knew.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Mike Shanahan used to always sit in his room and
in his office and he would be able to see
who was out there and who was doing what. Because
we did have some guys who didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We call that big bag.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
We called it Hirshey Walker because it was humongous and
it was a monster to try to get your arms around.
So it forced you to overexaggerate the tackling action and
that's what you needed to do. So hopefully these guys
walked through their run fits force Field spill knew exactly
where that next person outside and inside them is.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But more important, Steve, it is hit, wrap and draft
for five. And what that means is you wrap, use
your arms, grab cloth, and you but mentally you're intending
to drive that player five yards back.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If they don't do that, that makes their job.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
That much hard on Saturday, hitting and driving them five
yards back.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, I don't know that that's happening. If somebody asked me,
I played Mike front John knocking out.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That sounds great, son sound to execute, and then Mike
Tysonness is laughing at.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Me as I but the whole I didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You have to prepare your guys mentally to give them
somewhat of the confidence that you can do it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Obviously that sounds like coach speak and I and I
get it. But if you overemphasize it in practice, once
you get into the game, now, it becomes naturally a
part of you. I mean, that's how it worked for
me in my game.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh, I get you gotta have the mentality coach to
you all that. I'm talking more tactically. You know these
guys are coming twelve. You know they're gonna have two
tight ends in there. You know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Everybody gotta be ready to play and the gotta be
ready to be physical because there's gonna be a physical
ball game. They're gonna try to run it. Uh, Josh Allen,
he's huge. I don't know how he's even playing. To dude,
hit his hand on the helmet. They twisted his knee
up when he scored a touchdown and he didn't miss
one play, not one these guys that wolvering blood.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I'm bro.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Man, what is he?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Uh huh? I mean one of them shots.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
That's the Hopefully you'll be nice and sore when he
gets there, you would.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well. Yeah, at the other.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Side of these seas, there's some Are there some schematic
things you can do to change things? Can you get
bigger as a front maybe putting the wasa rique in
where Franklin Myers is. Maybe take Frankly Myers and put
him in uncertain situations for Benito, who's maybe a little
light in the backside and when it comes to that
maybe struggles a little with run fits sometimes, whereas he's
a great pats rusher. Maybe you move Frankly Myers, who's
spent at forty three in before. Could you maybe put
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him outside give yourself a little more hold.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Though you're talking about I know you people inflate stats,
but you can't inflate players.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What do you feed him a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeeze and then just give him some water to ballowing
them up?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
No, that's not gonna happen. You can't do that by Saturday.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, I'm I'm saying, yeah, I'm saying, put a Waso
Rica in Franklin Myers spot and move Franklin Myers to
Benito's spot.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, so you know you can handle a run.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Theoretically you can do that, But now when you think
about from execution standpoint right, can you get it done consistently?
You have a lot of sized body, but are you
as athletic as you need to be?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Contained?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think Franklin Myers can mean he's he's a hell
of an athlete for that size.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
He's not gonna be here next year because he can
get a better contract.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
But don't understand that. I know, I understand. I'm not
saying that he wouldn't be strong enough. Would he be faster?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Though?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Well, I think as soon as you see that, if
you're if you're the Bills, don't you you come back
with some kind of tight end, you know, play action,
make the tight end, put him out in coverage type scenario.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Man I run a design quarterback running we getting outside,
we put in guards.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If you getting there, we're mowing guys down. If you
do that, well, I mean, Frankly Myers is two eighty eight. Though,
I mean he's not going to shy away from a
guard coming.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's not like but you know at two thirty five,
where you know, okay, with big guys like that, you
don't need.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
To put them on the ground skates.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
All I need to do.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And Shannon Sharp used to talk about this all the
time when we played together. All I need to do
is getting your way for like one point five seconds. Yeah,
and we get outside, okay. And and because think about
what how Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Are running their game plan against Jacksonville. They were trying to.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Get outside, yeah, right, and it was working the outside
stretch zone with Cook's cutting back. And if you have
a guy on that backside that he's cutting back to,
that's not as athletic he getting outside.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But I mean it's a little bit different with the Broncos,
who would ostensibly be on a five man front at
that point versus a four man front that you had.
You know with Jacksonville, it's easier to get that edge
when you've got a four man front.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, here's what you gotta be careful about. Yeah, you
have to have the mentality where you want to stop.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
To run and don't get suckered on a pass.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You can get twelve personnel, the thirteen personnel from the
Buffalo Bills, and like I experienced when I played against
the Pittsburgh Steelers, they lined up in that same personnel
that looked like a running for me, just like an
and guess exactly what they did. Play action passed through
the ball to the tight end. But that's where good
eyes come in.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
We'll see you gotta run. You know this, Steve.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
If a team continues to run the ball with his
running a quarter back, what happens with your eyes?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Sometimes you have bad eyes. I mean, well, not not you,
but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Some guys get sucked in like a monster flame when
they see play actions. They want to make this make
this play in the back video because you don't, because
some guys don't want to make that physical big boy
tackle from twelve to fourteen, then pointing at himself.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You guys can't see at the studio, but guilty party camp,
we've seen the video.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
The idea is, when when you're playing a game like this,
you have to realize it's gonna hurt either way.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's top of them on their side of the well.
The line of scrimmage there to hit you on your side.
On your side, it hurts a lot more.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
If I see a defender with green stains on the
back of his jersey, that's the problem. You lost a
lot of battles, dog, They lost a lot of battles.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I think a lot of it is just mentality too,
knowing that, look, man, this is a physical game.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
We got we gotta put our big boy pads on.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Is there anything to the idea of circling back and
get revenge on last year? You guys ever had that
when you were playing a game from the previous year
where you got you got built put to you and
you wanted to come back.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
They got us Steve.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
There and but yeah, we we knew we should have
won that one, but they played well.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You gotta get him the credit that beat us.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
And but the next year we're like, oh, yeah, we've been,
we've been.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's all off season. If Michael Dean gets off the field,
if he gets off the field, that's it.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I know you're not gonna say I know you're not
gonna say anything, Steve, but I'm watching that game.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
If he gets off the field, maybe the outcomes a
little different. Who knows man end of the day. What
I'm what I'm trying to get at, is there anything too?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Is there a psychology edge for the Broncos here, who
are the number one seed and yet they're home underdogs.
The only the time that's ever happened was when Carson
Wentz went down for Philly and Nick Foles stepped in
the backup quarterback and nobody was respecting Nick Foles the
number one see being an underdog on their home turf
hadn't happened in the modern area.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I would imagine it's kind of frustrating, you know, knowing
that you've played so well, you got a bunch of
Pro bowlers.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You got guys, you know, we got a great record.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
They're playing hard all year and they they're not picking
us to win at home.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, then of our own crowd, was the Rockets have
been here before? I mean, wasn't that the same kind
of narrative heading into the game against Green Bay Little Bay?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And that was used.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So yeah, of course, just like nam Cohen used, you know,
Sean pay Car, Yes, you use this once again. You're
at home, you're the number one seed, you're fourteen and three.
Now you are the underdogs or as the shirts would say,
over the underdogs, and you try to use it now
is the only other parts of that. You have to
(14:53):
go out there and you have to live that life.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You have to race it. You have to go and
take it.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
People can talk all they wanted to, talking cheap, but
once you get on the fire, that's when that's when
all the that's when the real gets real.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
See that's why I never I never talked when I
was a player.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
She did.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, I didn't talking.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
No, I never destroyed it all talking.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I'm still talking.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It was guys like Ben right, it was chirping like
as Wi. I just look see the number in the
name on the back. I'm gonna get him looking I'm
looking at you.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I was awful with that stuff, man, awful with
that stuff I was.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I was like, I was wrong for some of the
stuff I did.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Back to man, he Ben is the type of player
Like when I play, Ben would get his teammates in
truckle because.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Ben would be on the.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Either he's on the sideline chirping or he's and I
can't get him right, just shut him up. So I'm like,
I'm gonna hit his buddy, and I'm gonna tell his
buddy that light him up.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's for him. You got to say, start, is it
gonna be a long night for you? It was a worse.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We gotta lead too, because then you know, I'd pull
me out and put the second string and we're on
over the receiver, go over the receiver, and then I'm
on the corner and I'm just mouthing your your girlfriend's
phone number at you one.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
See. You know that reminds me of something like like
Chad Johnson would do.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Like Chad would try to figure out.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
That's so bismal self, yeah, saying guys pepto. And sometimes
he would say kind of about rageous things during the game.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Some were true and some were not true. The first
I'm not seeming to be and he and he would
get himself.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
From and find out see all o the schools, you know,
other schools in Arkansas, they're all tenent teen minutes way.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Everybody knows everybody right now in the rural south, and
so like that'd be the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I had somebody's cousin over to the other school, I
find out who they were dating.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'd be like, all right, what's what perfume. They wear
cool and.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Then you get out, you get lined up on him
or whatever, and you be hey, man, I got the
I got your I got the kelsey about it. We
take it to her man, I know you guys are
used to be a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You take it to her. I got a bottle of
Gucci whatever. At that Moore, I would be cared by
D three team. Really is the fifteen?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
If it happens to me, nig, you gotta you gotta
give it, like, hey, yeah, man, give it to me.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm going up give it to me after the game. No,
I don't get in the white line. I have one
guy do that through the one side. Yeah, he add, Man,
I'll run that bire, I'll run that by. And I
was like, oh, I had nothing else when I came.
Here's the difference.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
See, most guys will say, well, I'm gonna catch you
when you go to the bus. See when you do that,
that's outside the white lines.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And you can be charged for that. See I'm fired
for that. I'm fire. You tell me that. I'm saying
you can't catch me on the field, how you gonna
catch me at the bus?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
See? The thing is the bus and after the game,
he goes, but see charges get be filed after the
game between those white lines. I can't be pedalized only
fifteen yards.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I said, you can't be pedalized fifteen in a first
down charging white?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
How you calling the police? No, I'm not calling the police.
And that is this right there. I'm gonna go Mino
on mono and I'm gonna lift him off his feet,
and then I'm gonna say, keep talking, batman. Yes, yes,
I'm gonna make all fifteen of the two. I was
born in the darkness. I'm just saying I used to
(18:20):
try it. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I was faiting for penalties, man, I was baiting for
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Pase, don't don't.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Don't make it seem as though I'm the only person
that's ever thought like this.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm sure you know. I no, no, no, I know
it went on. I was I was either the person
trying to get that other person going, or that's whatbody
trying to get me going. I'm like, no, bro, I
don't go for that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
He ain't get me that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You auditioning out some pain though, But there you go.
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But it's like kolate oh, Greg benbod he's got nipples. Yeah,
(19:06):
we have to do. Are we gonna do the how
I met your brother or whatever it is. I don't know, Greg,
because you're talking about all I know you said nipples.
You could have just.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Chest I could have to wear on the chests for
the listeners.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You made a picture.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Wait wait, wait, wait, that's not the pisser you have
to paint.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm sitting in the studio with you. So I'm taking
chest lint right a chest height. He went strictly for
a nipples.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So we got Ryan talking about what full throat and
now you're talking about nipples.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What's happening here? What am I listening? Pull me into
this and.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Trying to sneak as many as many phrases into Yeah
every day.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I was going on over there, not not not young,
going on over he I know by the glass.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know anything about this. That's rope save. You
got to say that for forever. Oh that's great.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Welcome back to a Broncos country tonight, Ben, but all
Brighty furs in the Hall of Fame or Steve at
Water guys getting ready for this game. I think we
hit the nail on the head earlier, and I think
we I think we're all in agreement that this is
going to be a dirty, physical, ugly, get down into
trenches type of game between these two teams. You've got
a Buffalo team that's the number one defense against the
pass in the NFL twenty eighth against a run, but
(20:32):
number one gets the pass versus uh.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
You know, a a Broncos team who.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And they're short receivers, by the way, on the offensive side,
it's probably gonna be down in twelve and running the
ball a lot. You gotta again, you got a Broncos
team that's, you know, maybe had the throttle loft for
the last couple of games. They haven't had to have
it on against Trey Lance and Chris uh was was
the street fighter sound effect? Guys, name, how do you
can olda duke Chris as you can whatever it is. Yeah,
(21:00):
they haven't had to have their throttle on it. But
we haven't really seen to be fair dominant passing performances
out of bow Nicks maybe two three times this season.
I think the Green Bay game, you know a little
bit of that. In the Jacksonville game, we certainly saw
agains Dallas and Cincinnati, but they have you know, they
play defense.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
There was no d happening there.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
As for the rest of the season, we got largely
carried by the defense of JK and have just kind
of found ways here after JK got hurt. What what
does this team got to do to find a way
around what looks like an obvious roadblock.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Here, Well, they got to do what they've been doing.
They gotta they gotta find a way. And whether it's
I can't I can't see us coming out just pass
the ball, pass the ball, pass, but I see us
trying to establish the run. And once we get that going,
you know, we got to mix it up with some
play action pass. But they gotta do, they gotta. It
(21:56):
was was Buffalo against the run?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
They are I guess the eighth in the league against
the run. They are not good against the run, but
they would against past. They are number one against the pass.
Should we do We should run the ball, and we
should keep running the ball and until they get sucked
up and then we should maybe take our judicious shots
down the field.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
At that point, Well, for me.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's not just about saying just run the ball. You
just can't turn around and hand the ball off to
a running back and say, hey, go make something happen.
You got a black blevel, Yeah exactly, And you have
to make space, you know, on your offensive line. And
that's one of the things that stood out to me
going back to the Chargers game. The Chargers, which was
one of the better teams in the league statistically against
(22:37):
the run, they did a good job stifling the run.
And the one thing that I know being around Mike
Shanahan that kills your run game is penetration. So if
you're pulling your guard, that guard's got to get around.
If you are a tackle right left or whatever it is,
you have to be able to drive a guy off
the ball, re establish a new line of scrimmage, and
not allow a guy to just kind of four five.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What are you talking about defense?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, y're playing based defense because the Charges was able
to you know, get pressure in the run game with
just four guys and then they started bringing you know,
delayed rushes from the middle linebacker and then they said
justin Justson Mentor said okay, well you want to run
reduced formation, I'm gonna blitch my nickel off the edge.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And there was no side adjustments.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
These are all things that I that I've seen that
the Broncos would definitely need to improve on, because when
we look at the Buffalo Bill's defense, it's much better
than it was last year. And when you look at
Tredavius White, his return has been a real boost for
them because you go back to that Jackson and Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Game, he made two clutch plays. Two clutch plays he did.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Now they're gonna be without Jordan Poyer safety. He's hurt,
and Ed Oliver's questionable for this game. Although he may
he may be back, We're not one hundred on that yet.
I leaned towards he probably will be, but he's back
in practice. He was limited today. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But I think the.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Big thing, and I've had several people, you know, pointing
out this on the text line, including the original texture
to the show, is that there there's a size advantage
already in the Buffalo offensive line against Art.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We're a little light on the defense size. I have
to go back and look.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think the I think the difference between the front
fives is two hundred and thirty five pounds in favor
of the Bills. So I think they basically they outdo
us by like thirty pounds a player.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Now, now here's one of those plays that Buffalo now has.
I guess they've become better at and more efficient at
accomplishing this play and that's a touch push. And what's
crazy about that was Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills
were big proponents of getting the push out of the lead.
(24:44):
Now they've become really successful, not as successful.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
As the Eagles, but they employed that. So when you're.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Talking about third is short, fourth and short, they they've
shown that they could pick it up and your quarterback
is six y five two thirty seven. So once again
at the Bronco is prepared to face the Bills. They
have a tall at task because you have to plan
for all of this stuff. But this is where you
walk guys through certain situations and you try to very
(25:11):
on a short term basis.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's very difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Easy to say, training their eyes to see certain things
right and more portly communicate what you see.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Dog, don't just be.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Out there they can you solve something and don't tell
your buddy standing next to you. Because I told Ben
that this has always been a problem even when I
played here, being able to talk to your buddy next
to you.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
The thing is that starts in practice, then I start
in the game. This starts very true, practice.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Every offensive lineman for the Buffalo Bills is over three
hundred pounds and the lightest is three ten. They've got
to guard it's three hundred and forty seven pounds. They've
got to tackle this three thirty five. Our heaviest starting
defensive lineman is two ninety. DJ's at three h five,
and then you met a wiz a Riki it's closer
to three twenty.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, we're fascinating.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well from uh, from personal experience, being fast is fun
until big and fast catches you, and then it is
not fun. Big makes a difference in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And last year we got.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Blown off the ball a little bit, like what's the
what is the recourse for that?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
This year?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, once again watching last year's game, understanding how the
Bills were successful running the ball. But more importantly, whether
you are on any level of the defense, you have
to play with your hands. You just can't run in
the body tackling and throwing your shoulders. You have to
hit shed and throw guys off, right, because how many
(26:35):
times we've seen guys just running to other guys like
they're like a blind dog in the meathouse. Right, You're
just running around. You're not even using your hands. So
now if you're on the d line, you want to engage,
you want to hit and shad that guy because once
again you don't want to grab and make contact, and
you're constantly looking for where Josh Allen is. No, because
now you're giving him time to make plays playing on
(26:56):
the opposite side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
For the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
There's some discipline of this too, because we all know
Alan can take off and you're gonna have to whoever's
mirroring him or whatever, it's gonna have to be disciplined.
And I crashed the cook fake uh, and then leave
that big guy. Let that big guy go rumbling rumbling
on by, because that's gonna be a problem for dbs
to bring down.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
If Josh Allen's out there in the open.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
That's intimidating boy, big big sixty five dude running for
four four flying through that hole.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
See, this is one of those games where if I
was playing with the Broncos in the secondary. I'm doing
like neck all my next neck and shoulders right as
I said, bow your neck.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
But what happened when when when he's coming, he's running
down and you say what, I guess you hope your
next level?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Hey man? Keep you No, I'm what did I say?
That's not true? Used to tackle? Man? We say man
probably say they don't pay him to tackle. They pay.
He wasn't going to try to kill you, but he
(28:02):
bring you down.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Okay, I'm telling you, man, you're gonna stay out his
leg and tripute bring you down.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Bro, I don't remember. I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I don't recall Prime being that type of guy. I
just do no hatred. But it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
He was tackling. You got to show me the film
on that one.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Let's pull that's the film on it on what him
him surging for.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That career high for tackles was forty in a season.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I don't say you're a young guy, man, I'm younger
than he hold one.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Damn man, al right here, let it be light put
on the switch.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, of course, with me growing up in in his city,
honestly we all knew. But there was another name that
he would give for that. That lady loves James like
liquid lips j Yes, because every time he always does
that thing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, I like the local J Man.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I remember what he made, like the transition from rapping
to acting, and people were asking about it, like why'd
you want to become an actor? And he's like, man,
there's nothing sadder than an old rapper.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I was like, Okay, that's a self aware dude, you know,
like he's like you want to see, I'm just supposed
to be seventy and.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Rolling hard, like with an odds arise, like I acted
like a gangster and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
And I was like, okay, all right, that's real. Yeah,
some people could make that transition. He made it. He did.
He was always into acting. Yeah, Like was that Deep
Blue c movie that he did that was pretty good?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yes, So then he worked on one of those CBS.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Like Swat or something with it. Yeah, well that was
a Swat movie, but it was.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
What one of those uh police detective spin.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Off like a CSI.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Los Angeles, like Iced t you know, the former rapper
you know, like, okay, so just think about that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I remember Iced Tea, you know, in the Son Colors.
I would have.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Ejected that he would be like on someone like one.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Of these cop shows, a Law and Order for like
four years. Yeah, it's like that's that's iced tea. So yeah,
it looks entirely different.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Tell us how confident are we this weekend, because I'm
I'm struggling with my Broncos faith as far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Is it your Broncos fate or more it's what the
Bills are capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I think it's what they represent, what they do, and
what they're good at, what they're bad at, versus our
our ability to exploit that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And that's what I mean by that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think I think at the end of the day,
they're exploitable at a certain number of areas, and I
worry that we just aren't going to do.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know what, certain circles people would say that you
being a hater.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Probably hey, hey, hey hey, but it's at least not consistent.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I'm not one of those people, because I'm like, you
gotta talk about this game and anything beyond in a
very logical way, right there is there are some challenges
that the Bills present. There are some challenges that the
Broncos can present to the Bills. A defensive standpoint to
make things difficult for Josh Allen. But then ideas from
an offensive standpoint, can the Broncos capitalize off of it?
(31:08):
Because we've seen in the past couple of weeks scoring
and sign the.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Red zone has become an issue.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Moving the ball from a running standpoint has become an issue.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So I can understand your comments, and I'm not trying
to hate.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'm just like there are I think there are some
very exploitable things on this Buffalo team, and I just
worry that we've got the Mike Leach of the NFL
who's not going.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
To do that.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But I would say each of the teams we've played
to a certain extent, they had some issues that we
were concerned about.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
But guess what I got. Short 'm playing.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But that's the thing that's whether the 'ber misa road
and we're talking about any opponent. Can you identify your
opponent's weaknesses but also can you exploit them? Because just
because you identify what they are, if you don't make
them work for you, then how good was it?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
So now the Broncos have to turn their weaknesses into
a strength.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
How football is sometimes you could be on you could
be playing one of your best games and stop happening.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You end up losing. Have you? Have you all been
hitting on all sanders and like right now we're hitting
on all cylinders and we got to hit a break.
Brought those countries nice. Can't wait
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