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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, we do it. But it's been all right here
Broncos Country tonight, Zach Segers back there producing tonight Big Show,
Patrick Chyoti, Matt Barrow's going to join us. We got
the NFL six pack is always five six sixty nine zeros.
The text line, you guys want to get involved in
the conversation. My voice is still a little bit shot,
so we'll see, we'll see how I muddled through last night.
Rick lewis making fun of me a little bit, calling
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me Benjamin oh right when the when the voice was
a little bit deeper than normal. But we're getting there.
We're getting there. It's a little bit better and joined
having you guys along for the ride. Big news of
the day, obviously, I think, is Cooper Cups signing with
the Seattle Seahawks. If you listen to this show, you
knew the Broncos weren't going to be in on that,
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but several people out there were trying to make it
seem like they were. And at the end of the day,
Kupp goes to Seattle for three years forty five million
dollars fifteen perl. So the number you knew if you
listened to the show, So there's that. I was never
a proponent of bringing Cooper Cuppy in four any reason,
but certainly at fifteen million dollars a year, what are
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you doing? I just I mean, look, I never want
to sit there and call a pro athlete washed right,
because on their worst day, they're better than I would
ever be. But Cooper cupp is four years removed from
being I mean, he has two great seasons in his career.
His entire career is propped up by one great season
and one good season. In eight seasons of playing football,
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he had two thousand yard seasons. He's kind of a
hybrid Z slash F who would be running real short
dink and dunk targets in this offense. And there's just
not enough there for somebody who plays that position to
justify paying them what it would cost to bring Cooper
cup in. You're talking about a guy who's gonna get
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four five hundred yards in this offense. That's it, tops,
that's if he's healthy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All year, and he hasn't been healthy lately, and I
do think that decline has been noticeable.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I think he and Deebo.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Samuel are more similar than people immediately realize. They both
have kind of played that wide receiver position in such
a physical way, Cup almost being like kind of this
wide receiver tight end hybrid with how he blocked and
the physicality after the catch and everything. And everyone knows
Debo with the running back stuff that's worn down their
bodies and it's what made them such amazing players when
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they were at their prime, and you know.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Credit to them.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I think Cup and Samuel both have a little something
left in the tank here and there. But I'm with you,
like fifteen million dollars, I think that's the league telling
you where he falls in terms of percentage of the cap.
I mean, good, it's way down there. I'll try and
find him, but it's it's well below like what Cortland
Sudden signed a few years back. Well, you know, if
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you adjust for inflation, it's the league's not treating him
like a top thirty forty receiver any Yeah, and they're
not treating him like a starting z. I mean fifteen minutes,
that's slot receiver money. That's third receiver money on a team.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And I try to tell people when Sean Payton got
here that Sean Payton does not construct receiver rooms that way.
They pay one guy UH, and they may you know,
they may pay that tight end too, but they pay
one guy and then everybody else is either on a
mid tier contract or on a rookie deal and coming
up and that that's how that that's how he does it,
and that's how they're doing it here. You saw that
when they let call it, Tim Patrick, you know that
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they're not in on any of these deals. The Chris
Godwin thing, the debo, the the Cooper Cup. They weren't
on any of them at all. The Broncos. The Bronco's
called to get the price tag of everything, but that
doesn't mean you're in on it. That means you're doing
due diligence. And I think that's the difference when you
get some of these people out there reporting the Broncos
are in on this. There was no offer made, numbers exchanged.
I saw people on Twitter try to pretend they had
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the inside track on stuff with UH, with these conversations
about numbers. It was there was no, no, nothing. There
was one conversation with Sean Payton and Cooper Cup last Friday,
and that's the only conversation that occurred. It was just,
you know, they did due diligence and that was that.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So if you adjust for inflation, it comes in below
the DeAndre Hopkins contracts from a season to go like,
it's He's not the you that highly anymore. I'm curious, though,
just from an insider perspective, because this felt so different
than really any signing I can remember, just to your
point about all these conflicting reports coming out, everyone rushing
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to it. I don't know what is it like on
your end? Does this stand out to you as especially unique?
Not particularly?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I will say that this season there have been within
that that community or whatever, and you know, I'm fortunate
enough to be able to talk to people like like
Diana or Ian or Mike care Folo or you know,
Schefter and those kind of guys we have. You know,
we've changed text every now and again, all that her
of stuff. There has been an effort to weed out
people that don't belong I will say, and you'll know
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it's the name. I didn't mention there and I'm not
going to mention it, but the absence of it should
should probably suffice. And I'm not you know, you know,
Jay Glaser belongs to the insider group. I don't know
him though you know those kinds. I met Jay one time,
but there's a name I'm not mentioning here, and I'm
deliberately not mentioning it. There's an effort to sort of
weed out people that aren't getting this information on their own,
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or that aren't that are copying other people's information. And
so there have been over the last few weeks slipping
a team or two into a report that is not
just to see if other people pick up on it
and run with it. And you've seen some of that.
Matter of fact, I think the person that I'm a
meeting here had a report with with Jacksonville involved that
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was not correct because of dove tailing off somebody else.
And so what I will say is this, I say
that with the within that community, and those guys are
all on an entirely different level than I have. So
I don't want to sit here and try and you know,
make it like I'm you know, I'm me. I'm just me.
I have a little bit of stuff here or there.
Sometimes I give them some information they don't have. They
sometimes they help me, but we're able to like compare
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notes and like, okay, I see where this is coming from.
What did you hear you know, this kind of stuff,
and there are people that stand out as not knowing
what they're talking about sometimes, and so I think that
there's been sort of a concern an effort just to
kind of reclaim the space in terms of because you
get a lot of these aggregator accounts. And I will
tell you, anybody who's ever Broken News hates aggregator accounts.
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You know why, because they just take your story and
they post it and they you know, they might put
like h chat tip in their in their tweet, but
you hate that, you know why, because it takes like
on Twitter, you get paid off the views. So if
they just put your name in there on their tweet,
their tweet gets the views. They don't direct people back
to the original original source on this. And so what
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happens is these aggregators start getting a sense of credibility
from the layman fan who doesn't know any better. If
they think, you know, Joe Schmo blog or whatever, you know,
they post they've got sources, and no they don't. They
just picked up the story that someone else had and
went with it, or picked up reports and bills had
and did that kind of stuff. And you see that
stuff fairly off, and I don't want to poot even
out of sausages made. But I will say that with
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the Cooper Company, it was certainly fascinating watching who had
absolutely no no idea what they were talking about, versus
the people that did the final teams in on Cooper
Cup where the Seahawks and the Saints and Dallas made
a little play it. It made a little last minute,
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you know, play on that. But those were the final
teams that were in on Cooper Cup, and you could
look around and see how many people got that right?
How many people did actually get that right? Green Bay,
they were in it for a minute, that they were
out in Minnesota, Florid around for a second and they
were out and the number got too high. Right. So
what I will say is is that from my perspective
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watching the watching the disparity, then watching the different sort
of air quotes reports on this kind of stuff, what
I will say is that it makes it very easy
to know who's full of, you know what, because I
mean I can tell when they're suggesting teams that aren't
in it are in it, or those kinds of things,
like you can tell that they don't know what they're
talking about and so so that's been the thing obviously,
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And I will say this and it's it's happened to
my own in my own experience. Things can change, you know,
But there's a difference between somebody sort of laying that
out from the beginning and see and knowing what changes
when somebody else picks up the phone and makes a
phone call or whatever and the end result. You know
it really once once, and I guess the best way
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to phrase this is once you've been on the inside
sort of, or once you've you've even just once, once
you've watched a story evolve from the inside, you can
start to pick out the people that don't know what
they're talking about, mind, because you know how that story
is evolving, and you can watch as other people are
trying to catch up to it or whatever else and
what they're saying, whether they're on the right track or not.
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And for me, I don't, I don't know. I guess
that's sort of fascinating. For me, it's because of what
I do, But no, I don't. I mean, the cup
thing was just it was sad to me because there
were a lot of a lot of broncos country and
a lot of fans that were I don't want to
use the word tricked, but kind of into believing that
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that was sort of from some kind of reality and
then ultimately let down when the reality is they were
never involved in that at all, like not involved at all,
And I don't think they should have been necessarily.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I do think Ingram and Cup fill a similar niche
in the offense, and also they're kind of I'm excited
with the signings. I think you're maybe more worried about
the injuries that I am, just from what I've heard
here and there, But they are pretty heavily indexed during
this free agency period on guys with injury red flags.
Ingram released with a physical designation relating to the shoulder.
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Everyone knows about Greenlaw and ufonga's concerns, and if those
guys are.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Healthy, it's a home run deal.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But there's a reason why you got them at those
this kind of prices, because people feel there's a greater
chance with those players than with others that they're not
going to be fully healthy. So I don't know with
every single one of these ones you add, I feel
like you're just rolling the dice another time. Necessarily, and
the Broncos. They're starting to get a little low on
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cap space. They have mechanisms to open up more, but
that doesn't mean you necessarily want to, you know, steer
all the way into that level of aggression. And I
just think, you know, save that money for figuring.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Out the Putter situation figure.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Getting a veteran running back in the room, I'd say
is probably more oppressing than the wide receiver thing.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Getting depth on.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
The offensive line, depth on the defensive line, I think
would be a more worthwhile investment than Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That seems like a luxury to me at this point,
right And I'm not sure what is he? The question
you have to ask yourself with any free agent, but
especially on the offensive side of the ball. And let's
let's let's do that with the offense with skill position players.
If you're going to pursue one, what does he add
and who are you taking off the field to put
that player on? And does that make you better? Because
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Ingram's not any in line tight end. He spends like
toty one percent of snaps in line, Like in reality,
he's not. He's He's a big slot. That's what he
really is. He's a big slot receiver and you don't
want him like some people, you don't want him in line.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I saw some people saying like he's not incapable
of being in line. No, you are allowed to line
him up there. Watch what happens when he's like, it's
not good. He's either going out for a route or
he's getting blown up into the backfield.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's one of the two. Yeah, it's it's not it's
not good. Like the reality is is that most people
and I know he posted the tweet and all that
kind of stuff, and they're all like, oh, that's the joker.
He's really not Like, that's not what he's been. They
may put him in that role, but that's not what
he's historically been. Evan Ingram is a big slot receiver.
He's a little Jordan Humphrey. Now he's more talented, but
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he's little Jordan up. Like that's the role, like the
role that you've seen little Jordan up. That's the role
Everyan Ingram is kind of you know, he may get
more snaps, but that's really more of what he is.
He's not an in line tight end and so you know,
I I I they may give him some snaps there,
but he the most of his stuff has been split
out or and slot. So if you're gonna do that,
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who are you taking off the field to put Cooper
Cup on? Are you taking Ingram offull? Then why did
you pay him that money to bring him in and
be that guy in the first place? Are you taking
Cortland off the field because Cooper Cup's not an axe?
Are are you taking what mimes off the field? That's okay?
Now you've got nothing over the top to you know,
to pull the defense, to keep the defense honest. So
you know, you have to ask yourself in these situations.
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Everybody sees a big name and they want it. What
are we taking off the field to put him on
the field? And Cooper Cup never made sense and from
a fit perspective.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And the names that people are probably going to come
down to or even just makes sense because of the
finances of.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It all would be Valet or Marvin Mims.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I thought Dave Logan made a great point during
KAA Sports talking about how or why he thinks the
Broncos were ever really involved in it and his belief
that they want to keep developing this young stable of
weapons and it's harder to do that if you're not
playing the guys, these guys get better through playing. You
can see the incredible youth development that Detroit experienced over
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these recent years is a great example. And I think
you look at pretty much when he was outlining was
or outlining was this concept of the progress stopper and
who originated that idea? Bill Parcells is Sean Payton's meant
for and it's something Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Has used before.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't think he wants to take Mims off the
field to get a little something out of Cup. And
I know we haven't seen the guarantees on this yet,
but I think Cup might be a good player this
year at age thirty two. I think he's got a
little something left. I don't think he's going to be
a good player in twenty twenty six. I don't think
he's going to be a good player in twenty twenty seven.
And you might be on the hook for at least
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the twenty twenty sixth.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Part of that, well, he's you know, and the other
part of this is the injuries. You know, Cup misses
at least forty percent of a season every year. You know,
the finances we've already talked about it. I don't know.
The Broncos may not have the cap room to have
absorbed that now. I mean, obviously you could make it
a big signing bonus and there's some manipulation you could do,
but yeah, they're getting low. I mean, I think they're
not a like ten million in capspan right now, give
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or take. I'd need to see the pufanga and green
law contracts and all kind of stuff at ballparkser they're
in that neighborhood. Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't make
sense across the board. And I'll tell you straight up.
The Broncos to the front office, the coaching staff have
directly said to myself to other media. But it's not
just me. They said it to other media members that
they love their wide receiver corps. They love what they're
doing there. That's that's been the plan the whole time.
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And I tried to tell people this a while back.
I tweeted out, if you're looking for a wide receiver
and free agency, probably going to be disappointed because if
they do add one, you're probably talking about a lower
mid tier guy. And here we are, and so you
know it's it's this is not me trying to be
cryptique or weird or act like I know something or
whatever else. It's they literally told us all the same thing.
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I'm just passing the info onto you. That's what's happening here.
So I'm not trying to root against the Broncos. I'm
not trying to you know. I don't bendos who never
want us to sign anybody good. No, I just want
people to fit. I wasn't opposed to the Ingram signing.
I thought they could have you know, I thought there
were other things they could have done, but I was
opposed to it. Fine with it. It's a good signing.
It's all right. It's not my favorite signing. I love
the other signings more. But you know it's going to
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get all the run because it's an offensive skill position player.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I know you've circled some of the talking about if
they're not going to add another receiver on the veteran market.
I know you've highlighted guys like Jalen Royals, and you
know some of these exciting day two receivers, not even
on Day two, but just generally speaking the entire draft.
How likely do you think it would be for the
Broncos to dip their toes back into the pool wide
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receiver via the draft.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think they could, but I think you're probably talking
about Day three. I don't I don't get the vibe
that Day one or Day two wide receivers the direction
they're going.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And could do you mean like that's a fifty to
fifty proposition.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, I believe they'll add a receiver in the draft,
but probably later. I mean you're probably talking like this
six seven round, you know, that kind of stuff. If
something were to fall in their lap. It's a lot
like let's say Ted is there at you know, twenty,
which he might be, and honestly he might be there
beyond that. Ye, maybe you kind of look at that,
But I mean, I just don't get the vibe that
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that's where they're at with that. I think that they're
looking at other directions.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You've been banging the drum for, you know, sudden maybe
being on the ways out or on the way out
this offseason. A pick like Tmac at number twenty would
make that a lot easier and a lot more comfortable.
You could cheap Devon Valet in that big slot role.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, I think, well, but I complicated. Yeah, I think
they view vala is that guy. I think they think
Vala is this Suddon's replacement. I think they think that
highly of him. And whether we do or not, that's
what's funny to me, because as I tried to lay
this out for people on social media, you know, everybody's
always you telling me with my critiques, well, who are
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you to criticize Sean Payton? Well, I'm telling you what
Sean Payton thinks about this wide receiver, and you guys
are criticizing Sean Payne for it. Not you personally, Zach,
but you get the idea. And so I think that's
kind of funny. I think it's kind of interesting that
you know, Sean, who is the guy who's evaluating me.
He's the one who's making the decisions on this stuff,
and it's not me. Benjamin Albright doesn't have anything to
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do with it. Right, All I'm doing is relaying the
information to you. I think they view Devon Valley significantly
higher that I think most of the fan base does.
And I think you.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Look at some of the athletic testing numbers or whatever
when he was coming out as a prospect, there's reason
to believe he could have a lot of upside even
I mean, you've highlighted some of these stats, the stuff
like EPA per target or whatever, kind of the rate
stats where he actually surpassed Sutton last year despite not
having as many touchdowns, or some of those those noisier
plays that can kind of inflate the data a little bit.
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So what do you think the starting base today, I
know where a long ways out. What does that like
base offensive personnel look like to you? Valet at the
x mims at the z Ingram kind of that large
slought role, troutman in line more or less.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And then running back. You know, if it potentially I'm
just gonna throw them right. Hampton's name out there again.
But yeah, more or less, there will be some plays
where maybe you have Ingram, you know, in line and
you're moving them out, and there'll be plays where you
have Sutton and val At both on the field at
the same time, maybe Valets playing Navy slot. You know,
you'll move, you'll move things around a little bit, but
your base offense becomes Sutton or Vala at the x
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mims and with Franklin behind him at the z uh
and then you know you've got a heavy slot in
Ingram and a tight end in you know, in troutman
and if that becomes a fullback in the goal line situation,
it's Atkins who plays a full back of the h
back and you know, in that kind of situation. And
so there are ways you can move that around. You
can move Mims in the backfield, and there's things that
you can do to keep yourself multiple. But that's your
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that's your base offense, and that's the way they're looking
at it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And Ingram allows you to play some of those personnel games.
I know you've highlighted before, at least in kind of
regard to the joker role and just kind of is
this twelve or is it eleven personnel and trying to
get defenses to throw the linebacker out there because you
have this tight ended Ingram out and now all of
a sudden you have a giant mismatch problem.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Do you think that's part of the vision there for him.
I think Ingram is viewed as a more of a
between the twenties, big slot guy. I know people look
at that and you're think in red zone, he's never
been a red zone guy. Like, yeah, if you go
back and look at his numbers, that he's scored a little.
I mean that this's the one thing that jumps out
at you from his numbers is how few touchdowns he
scored over the course of his career. He's just been
a guy who has the size and speed over the
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middle of the field to be able to create certain
mismatch type situations. They used him as a heavy slot
two years ago. They were spamming him with these screen targets.
That's why he wound up with like one hundred and
some odd catches, but didn't I can't remember what the
artist told it was. Wasn't wasn't as high as you
think could be that many for that many catches. But
they were spamming him with these screen things and letting him,
you know, try to break tackles after the catch, because
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you know, you just checked to see if you had
a corner lined up on him, and you don't be
break the tackle and go from there. So, you know,
I think he's a guy who can who could do
a couple of different things. But I really think that
they feel like they've got the young core here. They
just want to kind of round this thing out a
little bit and go from And that's that's sort of
what they did, so we're gonna chance to get more
into that here and then as well as your you
guys just text. We've got a few texts coming. I'll
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the update. During the break, Kathy Walker was talking about
the Ted last Obm renewed for season four. If you
listen to this show, you already knew that. In fact,
you knew that several weeks ago. You also knew that
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Ted would be coaching a women's team. So we'll call
me at Allbright TV insider. You know what country it's
based on. It's it's again a return I believe it's
a return to as it sits right now, a return
to England. And it's gonna be like an AFC Richmond
women's team. And there will be cameos by some of
the some of the other people on some of this,
but it'll be like him started up a women's team.
That's that. That is the original plan is of a
couple of weeks ago. If nothing has changed, so I.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Mean in that vision, would they still have God, I
can't think of the characters they now, but the owner.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, they would be back. That was kind of front
off how they would be right. The people who would
not be returning, you know, right, basically the Jamie Tard
character who's supposed to Cameo and some of the other
but mostly like the Sam characters and those guys probably
not going to be in this. And but you will
see Higgins back and what can't just supposed to be
(21:16):
back because Brett Goldstein, who's the actor for that, he
is one of the writers as well, so but anyway, yeah,
so that's that's one of those things. So we talked
about that. I got a sort of an inside track
on that show because friend of mine. Well, I mean,
you could figure it out from Twitter if you try
hard enough. But anyway, you knew about that for a
while here here on this show. So I'm excited about that.
(21:37):
You big Ted Lasso fan. I was obviously a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So yeah, I thought it was a great show. I
thought they did the concept really well.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was nice.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I think in general, a lot of people feel like
just stuffs kind of dark right now, But you know, which.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It was nice to have an eternal optimist them Ted
last exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yes, that's always like looking on the bright side or
just it's like even when they dealt with heavier topics
or whatever. Yeah, eternal optimism and I don't know, a
very yeah positive like yeah positive PC. I guess eternal
optism is the perfect way to describe it. But it's
just it was a rare show that made you feel good.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Another one.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I loved watching Star Trek the Next Generation in recent years.
It is something I never had seen before. I didn't
know you were a fellow treky man. It's damn good.
I've seen almost every episode and it's I would recommend
it to people if you are. You know, it's a
very optimistic idea of the future, and it's you know,
there's no no war or famine or any other probably war,
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but a war among humanity. I guess all these like
the stuff we deal with the problems we have humanities
advanced so far that they're not a problem anymore, right,
And as a result, they have to come up with
interesting character dramas and these different plot points. But it's
a very optimistic show and there's not enough of that, right, now.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So anyways, Yes, I loved Ted life. I did not
have Zach Seegers being a treky on my Bengo card
coming into this show tonight, So that that just made
me happy because I am kind of a nerd when
it comes to that. But but I loved you know,
the Ted. Last thing I love. I just loved his
is sort of eternal optimism because I've been the skeptic
and a pessimist, and I think everybody knows I've had
spectacularly whatever blow ups in my life and those kinds
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of things, and so you know, I think there was
there's something to that, Like you kind of look at
that and you kind of like, and that could be
me if I try hard enough. You know. I especially
like it especially resonated with me when Beard in see
I'm like, I'm spoiling season three. So if you haven't
seen Ted lasso plug yours, but in season three when
he sort of comes to night, you know, to get him,
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and so like, there's there's a moment there that resonates
with me from kind of both sides of that, having
been a guy that's messed up and want you know,
in second chances and then being able to pass along,
second chances and things like that, not you know, obviously
the level Beard had them, but you know, there's there's
just like there's a moment that resonates there. And I
think that with that show, people can find moments that
resonate with them. So I think we're all maybe a
(23:58):
little bit excited about seeing ted Lasso again. I did
not see anyone who was upset by this news. Yeah.
Apple TV is well, you know, they got all the
bes stuff going on, and to be honest with you,
it's the creators of ted Lasso that that are like shrinking.
It's the same people they brought goldste and Bill Lawrence
right now. I mean that's the show everybody's talking about. Yeah.
(24:20):
Apple TV is like it's like when Netflix. I mean
Netflix used to be the the prestige TV thing and
and you know they kind of gave up on a
lot of that and went went reality TV with some
of their stuff. And you know, now you've got Apple
TV taking the taking the crown with the with the originals,
even taking it from Max.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think, yeah, Amazon, Yeah, the big TV shows that
everyone wanted or like the high class ones and know
you've got Severance over on on Apple TV. They've got
the big movie with Miles Tyler and uh yeah, I
know yet I got to get to that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
But not that good. I think I do like in
a Taylor Johnson or whatever. Yeah, they were good, and
I think its thought.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It was like a really high brow action movie and
I think it was probably a little closer to like
Fast and Furious, which is funny. It was fun, But
I would think I would I would expect kind of
more slock going on.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Okay, all right, well I will. I will then adjust
my expectations for that five six six nine zeros the text,
I'm talking a little bit of Broncos stuff here. I
wonder what you guys think about the free agents signing
so far. I love the defensive sideing. I'm with you,
Zach on the red flags on the injury is the
first thing I said. I was texting Ryan, you know,
and that was the first thing I said. I was like, man,
I'm a little worried, Like I don't want to be
wet planking at all right right now, but I'm a
(25:28):
little worried about the injury history here is. But I
talked to some people and they're like, you know, every
player in the NFL is hurt. I mean, they're all
injured at some point or another. So you have to
believe in your own medical staff that these guys that
they cleared this and these guys are good to go,
and that you're not the Falcons signing Kirk Cousins, which
was an actual text to me. So, you know, I
think I think I took more from that because when
(25:48):
you watch the tape, both I'm not Gonna and green
Law they're players, they're dudes, they're dogs, man, and those
are guys that take a really good defense and make
it great, especially when you inject them into the two
weakest spots on this defense. Uh, there's some more work
to be done in terms of maybe adding some depth
along the line and whatnot, but I think those were
(26:10):
the two weakest spots and you replaced him with some
absolute dogs. I mean the knock on green Law on
the field, you know, outside of injury, is his coverage ability.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I think he's better than even with that being the
knock in his game. I think he's better than anything
the Broncos have had in a while in that.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Probably dating back to Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall, Yeah, I
would probably agree, Marshall, Traveathan, Wesley Woodyard, those are guys
I thought that, uh, you know that eraw was the
was the prime Broncos linebacker era in terms of coverage.
We've had good linebackers since him, but they were a
little bit different skill sets. I mean, Todd Dave was
a great downhill guy. You know. Yeah, we've had editual
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you know, run fits guy with great instincts, all that
kind of stuff. We've had good linebackers, but the ability
that he brings to the table I think is h
he's transcendent relative to to to what we've had. And
then you know, off he's I think he's I think
he's a good seething so yeah, just total spark plugs.
I think there's something to having a former forty nine
ers player, whether that's by by accident or on purpose,
(27:07):
but a former Super Bowl player at each level of
the defense. Now, you know, you got DJ who was
you know, if you want to talk about something I
got wrong, I didn't think they're gonna be able to
bring DJ back. I did not based on the conversations
I had. I thought that he was gone and it
was going to be pooing a forward. But they ended
up bringing DJ back. And you know, now you say
you've got Ford, you have excuse me, you've got Jones,
(27:27):
You've got green Law, you got to bag. You have
a super Bowl player at every level that even they
know what it takes to get there, you know. And
so I think there's I think there's a value to
that on the defensive signings. Yeah, and I have to
imagine Drake Greenlaw. You know Afonga too.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
If anyone who misses out on a Super Bowl is
gonna have some sour grapes about it. But like Drake
Greenlaw had one of the most tragic right Super Bowl
experiences I can ever remember seeing having a great game,
kind of leading his at least the defensive side of
his team to a lead at that point in the game,
and just freaking in my head, I saw it come
back up on Twitter with the Broncos sign. In my head,
(28:04):
I thought he was like jumping up and down where
I thought it was more he was doing something more
explosive with but he was really just running off the sidelines.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And it's just horrible luck.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But I he looked so good in terms of his
movement this past season that I'm pretty optimistic and I
think they've protected themselves with the structuring of at all.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I want to talk about the offensive side of the
ball before let's go three tonight. But I'll brut herea
with you is actually your respector behind the glass? Five
six sixty nine zero is the text line. Quite a
few texts coming. They don't get to those here in
just a moment. We've got Matt Barrels coming up top
of the hour forty nine ers rider for the Athletic
(28:43):
get a chance to talk a little bit about green
law on tough Tigo. What it is that we've got
there with that Patrick Keyote. Some of you may know
him as Mario Vitanzi's partner in crime over there on
altitude Adjustment. Going to be here in the eight o'clock
How we're get a chance to chat with him for
a minute. It'd be a lot of fun. Four to
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that again. Five six six nine zeros of tex scient
Somebody asked about slow Horses on Apple TV. I have
not that's on my to do list. I haven't watched
it yet. I know it'supposed to be good. I haven't
done that yet. Seven one three says, hey, al Bright,
just shut your ears to the wet blanket nonsense. It
amazes me talking about football can bring out the most
female attributes of some men. Nothing but wild speculation and
(29:24):
emotion based on decisions, reactions, ideas. Thank you for being
a representative of truth and reality. That's what I tune
in for, not ridiculousness. Well, to be fair, When I'm
on any show, there is a fair amount of ridiculousness,
although it's usually uh me thinking I'm funnier than I am. Yeah,
you definitely don't tone down the ridiculousness.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I didn't know you had a seven to one nine number,
all right, thanks for texting that in the checks and
the mail.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Oh, let's see what else we got here? Seven to two? Oh,
Cooper Cup was never going to be a full time receiver.
He's a third down specialist, so he stays healthy twenty
five plays a game that would have been great, but
at that price, probably that was never going to happen. Yeah,
I definitely gonna happen. Let's see here, the nine or
nine man is the offensive player along with the obvious
special teams player that you hinted at us adding on Twitter,
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or receiving or running back. What are potential names they're
thinking in regards to that offensive player. Well, especially these
players should be obvious they need a putterer like that's
and you don't think they wait till the draft. Maybe
I do believe there's a free agent they're looking at.
We'll see. I don't know if I want to put
that name out yet or not, just because I you know,
I'll keep people stirred up over punter news, keep people
(30:30):
glued to the radio for punter news. Now, I got
to tell what I'll tell you, Matt Hack. I think
they're looking at that one. I'm not a hundred that
gets done. I'm not even sure how serious they are.
That's just a name that I know that they were
potentially interested in. I know everybody's talking about the kids
from CSU. I don't. I didn't get the vibe as
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the direction they're going at all. What's his name, I'm
Blanket Star. Yeah, I don't. I don't believe that that is.
I don't think that's the direction they're going. Maybe they
ultimately pivot that way, but I don't think that's a priority.
Form is probably better way to put it. So we'll see.
Are you worried about the downgrade? There any punter. I mean, look,
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the Sean Payton enthusiasts and you all should be saying,
we're never gonna punt, right. We got Bonies and Sean Payton,
We're never punning, right. I mean, let's not be ridiculous here.
I'm big a care com purpose here. I don't think
it's a I don't think it's a huge issue. It's
we're here at Denver a mile high. Unless you are
a terrible punter, it's not going to be a problem. Yeah,
we had one of those before.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But you know, I think it's going to come down
to the like how accurate are they element and who
knows on this guy. I haven't looked into him any,
but just because I do have more faith at the
offense at least should like average end a dry field
position I think will be deeper than it's been for
past Broncos offenses. And yeah, I think it's going to
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come down more too. Can you be pitting opponents inside
the twenty consistently? Which Dixon was good out early on
in the season, but close pretty rough there, right. So
to answer your question, I'm not going to tell you
what position or the offensive player, but there you go.
For the special teams. That's the one I think. I
know the going after. A part of the question is
whether or not they land that particular one.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So h three or three Briandon, I know you mentioned
the Broncos signing a mid level veteran receiver. Do you
think they would pursue Alan Lazard if he were released
or Tyler Lockett? Love listening to the show We love
you listening. I think Lockett is going to the Raiders.
Not a hundred on that, but I think so. And
there's an obvious connection there obviously, you know him and
Gino and Pete and you know, getting the band back
together and all that kind of stuff. We'll see, but
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I think that's the direction he's kind of looking at Lazard,
is it? Maybe? You know, if you bring him in again,
you're bringing him in to feel that little Jordan Humphrey role,
and litt Jordan Humphrey has been putting weight on to
go become a tight end. So you know, there's and
I think I as I understand it, little Jordan and
his agent believe that they're coming back to the Broncos
to the tight end. So take that for what you will.
(32:59):
I don't know who the odd man out there is
Lucas Crole, maybe the Hall of Famer, let's player on
the team. Yeah really, But you know, at the end
of the day, I think Blizzard would have to be
the right number, and it would have to be inexpensive.
At this point, you just don't have the resource that
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you know, the resources without paying a bunch of cash
up front, and Animalizard is not the kind of guy
you go pay a bunch of cash to.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And once you sign one more guy, like, okay, you're
set out wide receiver unless they move.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
That's what I'm saying. They move off Sudden if you do. Yeah, right,
that's what I'm saying. Like, if you do sign somebody
that means that what and you get the draft pick,
you've got an odd man out right, because you've already
got on the roster right now. You've got Sudden, you
got Vele and Mims and Franklin. Yeah right, Shirfield. You
got Sirfield who you signed as a specialty, which, by
the way, I love that signing me too. I think
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watch the tape. He is a dog. He doesn't have
the little Jordan Humphrey size.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
But when I think special teams like kind of the
gunian ability and what he brings as a blocker. I
think he's kind of like a hybrid of a little
Jordan Humphrey replacement and Treymont Smith replacement. Like you'll give
you what Lord Jordan was giving you on offense, is
that blocker, and then on special teams he's going to
be your your ace coverage guy.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, he's that's exactly what he is. He doesn't die,
he's not a returner like Tremond, but the rest of it,
he's a gunner like Treymon was, and you know, and
that kind of stuff. So anyway, you've got you've got,
I want to say, Franklin, You've got Velef Franklin, Mim Sutton,
We mentioned Sherfield, You've got Michael Bandy's still on his roster,
and at Perry who for whatever recent people think it's
going to be a stud this year. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, those guys I think are probably practice squad or
they're not on the final fifty three. But if you
sign one more like, I don't think he'sbody. They even
carried six on the active roster and the Sean Payden
Eira and.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's not something they generally do so you you know,
if you do that, then you are giving up a
tight end. Okay, who you give it up? Probably? I
mean Yasmin is just the because they're carrying what five
tight ends right now.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
He's with International Pathway program so they can keep him
as that ninety Right, So you've got Ingram, who.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I guess you're counting is a tight end. I mean
I actually count Hims a receiver, but counting him is
a tight end. Troutman Kroll, Nate Atkins. Adkins will be
here by virtue of the fact that he's the fullback
as well. If a burden you think's not here anymore,
he's they've signed up. I feel like late in this
last time you think this is they've they've separated. I
think Nate Atkins made enough a name of himself in
the red zone last year that they feel comfortable with that.
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Will see, Oh we come back, Matt Burrows, the Athletics
gonna join us. Just in a Broncos country night. K Wa
Well, we do it. But it's been all right here
Broncos Country tonight, Zach Segers back there producing tonight Big Show,
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the NFL six pack is always five six sixty nine zeros.
The text line, you guys want to get involved in
the conversation. My voice is still a little bit shot,
so we'll see, we'll see how I muddled through last night.
Rick lewis making fun of me a little bit, calling
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me Benjamin oh right when the when the voice was
a little bit deeper than normal. But we're getting there.
We're getting there. It's a little bit better and joined
having you guys along for the ride. Big news of
the day, obviously, I think, is Cooper Cups signing with
the Seattle Seahawks. If you listen to this show, you
knew the Broncos weren't going to be in on that,
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but several people out there were trying to make it
seem like they were. And at the end of the day,
Kupp goes to Seattle for three years forty five million
dollars fifteen perl. So the number you knew if you
listened to the show, So there's that. I was never
a proponent of bringing Cooper Cuppy in four any reason,
but certainly at fifteen million dollars a year, what are
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you doing? I just I mean, look, I never want
to sit there and call a pro athlete washed right,
because on their worst day, they're better than I would
ever be. But Cooper cupp is four years removed from
being I mean, he has two great seasons in his career.
His entire career is propped up by one great season
and one good season. In eight seasons of playing football,
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he had two thousand yard seasons. He's kind of a
hybrid Z slash F who would be running real short
dink and dunk targets in this offense. And there's just
not enough there for somebody who plays that position to
justify paying them what it would cost to bring Cooper
cup in. You're talking about a guy who's gonna get
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four five hundred yards in this offense. That's it, tops,
that's if he's healthy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All year, and he hasn't been healthy lately, and I
do think that decline has been noticeable.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I think he and Deebo.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Samuel are more similar than people immediately realize. They both
have kind of played that wide receiver position in such
a physical way, Cup almost being like kind of this
wide receiver tight end hybrid with how he blocked and
the physicality after the catch and everything. And everyone knows
Debo with the running back stuff that's worn down their
bodies and it's what made them such amazing players when
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they were at their prime, and you know.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Credit to them.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I think Cup and Samuel both have a little something
left in the tank here and there. But I'm with you,
like fifteen million dollars, I think that's the league telling
you where he falls in terms of percentage of the cap.
I mean, good, it's way down there. I'll try and
find him, but it's it's well below like what Cortland
Sudden signed a few years back. Well, you know, if
(02:40):
you adjust for inflation, it's the league's not treating him
like a top thirty forty receiver any Yeah, and they're
not treating him like a starting z. I mean fifteen minutes,
that's slot receiver money. That's third receiver money on a team.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And I try to tell people when Sean Payton got
here that Sean Payton does not construct receiver rooms that way.
They pay one guy UH, and they may you know,
they may pay that tight end too, but they pay
one guy and then everybody else is either on a
mid tier contract or on a rookie deal and coming
up and that that's how that that's how he does it,
and that's how they're doing it here. You saw that
when they let call it, Tim Patrick, you know that
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they're not in on any of these deals. The Chris
Godwin thing, the debo, the the Cooper Cup. They weren't
on any of them at all. The Broncos. The Bronco's
called to get the price tag of everything, but that
doesn't mean you're in on it. That means you're doing
due diligence. And I think that's the difference when you
get some of these people out there reporting the Broncos
are in on this. There was no offer made, numbers exchanged.
I saw people on Twitter try to pretend they had
(03:36):
the inside track on stuff with UH, with these conversations
about numbers. It was there was no, no, nothing. There
was one conversation with Sean Payton and Cooper Cup last Friday,
and that's the only conversation that occurred. It was just,
you know, they did due diligence and that was that.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So if you adjust for inflation, it comes in below
the DeAndre Hopkins contracts from a season to go like,
it's He's not the you that highly anymore. I'm curious, though,
just from an insider perspective, because this felt so different
than really any signing I can remember, just to your
point about all these conflicting reports coming out, everyone rushing
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to it. I don't know what is it like on
your end? Does this stand out to you as especially unique?
Not particularly?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I will say that this season there have been within
that that community or whatever, and you know, I'm fortunate
enough to be able to talk to people like like
Diana or Ian or Mike care Folo or you know,
Schefter and those kind of guys we have. You know,
we've changed text every now and again, all that her
of stuff. There has been an effort to weed out
people that don't belong I will say, and you'll know
(04:42):
it's the name. I didn't mention there and I'm not
going to mention it, but the absence of it should
should probably suffice. And I'm not you know, you know,
Jay Glaser belongs to the insider group. I don't know
him though you know those kinds. I met Jay one time,
but there's a name I'm not mentioning here, and I'm
deliberately not mentioning it. There's an effort to sort of
weed out people that aren't getting this information on their own,
(05:03):
or that aren't that are copying other people's information. And
so there have been over the last few weeks slipping
a team or two into a report that is not
just to see if other people pick up on it
and run with it. And you've seen some of that.
Matter of fact, I think the person that I'm a
meeting here had a report with with Jacksonville involved that
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was not correct because of dove tailing off somebody else.
And so what I will say is this, I say
that with the within that community, and those guys are
all on an entirely different level than I have. So
I don't want to sit here and try and you know,
make it like I'm you know, I'm me. I'm just me.
I have a little bit of stuff here or there.
Sometimes I give them some information they don't have. They
sometimes they help me, but we're able to like compare
(05:49):
notes and like, okay, I see where this is coming from.
What did you hear you know, this kind of stuff,
and there are people that stand out as not knowing
what they're talking about sometimes, and so I think that
there's been sort of a concern an effort just to
kind of reclaim the space in terms of because you
get a lot of these aggregator accounts. And I will
tell you, anybody who's ever Broken News hates aggregator accounts.
(06:12):
You know why, because they just take your story and
they post it and they you know, they might put
like h chat tip in their in their tweet, but
you hate that, you know why, because it takes like
on Twitter, you get paid off the views. So if
they just put your name in there on their tweet,
their tweet gets the views. They don't direct people back
to the original original source on this. And so what
(06:33):
happens is these aggregators start getting a sense of credibility
from the layman fan who doesn't know any better. If
they think, you know, Joe Schmo blog or whatever, you know,
they post they've got sources, and no they don't. They
just picked up the story that someone else had and
went with it, or picked up reports and bills had
and did that kind of stuff. And you see that
stuff fairly off, and I don't want to poot even
out of sausages made. But I will say that with
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the Cooper Company, it was certainly fascinating watching who had
absolutely no no idea what they were talking about, versus
the people that did the final teams in on Cooper
Cup where the Seahawks and the Saints and Dallas made
a little play it. It made a little last minute,
(07:15):
you know, play on that. But those were the final
teams that were in on Cooper Cup, and you could
look around and see how many people got that right?
How many people did actually get that right? Green Bay,
they were in it for a minute, that they were
out in Minnesota, Florid around for a second and they
were out and the number got too high. Right. So
what I will say is is that from my perspective
(07:35):
watching the watching the disparity, then watching the different sort
of air quotes reports on this kind of stuff, what
I will say is that it makes it very easy
to know who's full of, you know what, because I
mean I can tell when they're suggesting teams that aren't
in it are in it, or those kinds of things,
like you can tell that they don't know what they're
talking about and so so that's been the thing obviously,
(07:57):
And I will say this and it's it's happened to
my own in my own experience. Things can change, you know,
But there's a difference between somebody sort of laying that
out from the beginning and see and knowing what changes
when somebody else picks up the phone and makes a
phone call or whatever and the end result. You know
it really once once, and I guess the best way
(08:18):
to phrase this is once you've been on the inside
sort of, or once you've you've even just once, once
you've watched a story evolve from the inside, you can
start to pick out the people that don't know what
they're talking about, mind, because you know how that story
is evolving, and you can watch as other people are
trying to catch up to it or whatever else and
what they're saying, whether they're on the right track or not.
(08:39):
And for me, I don't, I don't know. I guess
that's sort of fascinating. For me, it's because of what
I do, But no, I don't. I mean, the cup
thing was just it was sad to me because there
were a lot of a lot of broncos country and
a lot of fans that were I don't want to
use the word tricked, but kind of into believing that
(08:59):
that was sort of from some kind of reality and
then ultimately let down when the reality is they were
never involved in that at all, like not involved at all,
And I don't think they should have been necessarily.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I do think Ingram and Cup fill a similar niche
in the offense, and also they're kind of I'm excited
with the signings. I think you're maybe more worried about
the injuries that I am, just from what I've heard
here and there, But they are pretty heavily indexed during
this free agency period on guys with injury red flags.
Ingram released with a physical designation relating to the shoulder.
(09:35):
Everyone knows about Greenlaw and ufonga's concerns, and if those
guys are.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Healthy, it's a home run deal.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But there's a reason why you got them at those
this kind of prices, because people feel there's a greater
chance with those players than with others that they're not
going to be fully healthy. So I don't know with
every single one of these ones you add, I feel
like you're just rolling the dice another time. Necessarily, and
the Broncos. They're starting to get a little low on
(10:03):
cap space. They have mechanisms to open up more, but
that doesn't mean you necessarily want to, you know, steer
all the way into that level of aggression. And I
just think, you know, save that money for figuring.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Out the Putter situation figure.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Getting a veteran running back in the room, I'd say
is probably more oppressing than the wide receiver thing.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Getting depth on.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
The offensive line, depth on the defensive line, I think
would be a more worthwhile investment than Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That seems like a luxury to me at this point,
right And I'm not sure what is he? The question
you have to ask yourself with any free agent, but
especially on the offensive side of the ball. And let's
let's let's do that with the offense with skill position players.
If you're going to pursue one, what does he add
and who are you taking off the field to put
that player on? And does that make you better? Because
(10:53):
Ingram's not any in line tight end. He spends like
toty one percent of snaps in line, Like in reality,
he's not. He's He's a big slot. That's what he
really is. He's a big slot receiver and you don't
want him like some people, you don't want him in line.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I saw some people saying like he's not incapable
of being in line. No, you are allowed to line
him up there. Watch what happens when he's like, it's
not good. He's either going out for a route or
he's getting blown up into the backfield.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's one of the two. Yeah, it's it's not it's
not good. Like the reality is is that most people
and I know he posted the tweet and all that
kind of stuff, and they're all like, oh, that's the joker.
He's really not Like, that's not what he's been. They
may put him in that role, but that's not what
he's historically been. Evan Ingram is a big slot receiver.
He's a little Jordan Humphrey. Now he's more talented, but
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he's little Jordan up. Like that's the role, like the
role that you've seen little Jordan up. That's the role
Everyan Ingram is kind of you know, he may get
more snaps, but that's really more of what he is.
He's not an in line tight end and so you know,
I I I they may give him some snaps there,
but he the most of his stuff has been split
out or and slot. So if you're gonna do that,
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who are you taking off the field to put Cooper
Cup on? Are you taking Ingram offull? Then why did
you pay him that money to bring him in and
be that guy in the first place? Are you taking
Cortland off the field because Cooper Cup's not an axe?
Are are you taking what mimes off the field? That's okay?
Now you've got nothing over the top to you know,
to pull the defense, to keep the defense honest. So
you know, you have to ask yourself in these situations.
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Everybody sees a big name and they want it. What
are we taking off the field to put him on
the field? And Cooper Cup never made sense and from
a fit perspective.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And the names that people are probably going to come
down to or even just makes sense because of the
finances of.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It all would be Valet or Marvin Mims.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I thought Dave Logan made a great point during
KAA Sports talking about how or why he thinks the
Broncos were ever really involved in it and his belief
that they want to keep developing this young stable of
weapons and it's harder to do that if you're not
playing the guys, these guys get better through playing. You
can see the incredible youth development that Detroit experienced over
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these recent years is a great example. And I think
you look at pretty much when he was outlining was
or outlining was this concept of the progress stopper and
who originated that idea? Bill Parcells is Sean Payton's meant
for and it's something Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Has used before.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't think he wants to take Mims off the
field to get a little something out of Cup. And
I know we haven't seen the guarantees on this yet,
but I think Cup might be a good player this
year at age thirty two. I think he's got a
little something left. I don't think he's going to be
a good player in twenty twenty six. I don't think
he's going to be a good player in twenty twenty seven.
And you might be on the hook for at least
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the twenty twenty sixth.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Part of that, well, he's you know, and the other
part of this is the injuries. You know, Cup misses
at least forty percent of a season every year. You know,
the finances we've already talked about it. I don't know.
The Broncos may not have the cap room to have
absorbed that now. I mean, obviously you could make it
a big signing bonus and there's some manipulation you could do,
but yeah, they're getting low. I mean, I think they're
not a like ten million in capspan right now, give
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or take. I'd need to see the pufanga and green
law contracts and all kind of stuff at ballparkser they're
in that neighborhood. Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't make
sense across the board. And I'll tell you straight up.
The Broncos to the front office, the coaching staff have
directly said to myself to other media. But it's not
just me. They said it to other media members that
they love their wide receiver corps. They love what they're
doing there. That's that's been the plan the whole time.
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And I tried to tell people this a while back.
I tweeted out, if you're looking for a wide receiver
and free agency, probably going to be disappointed because if
they do add one, you're probably talking about a lower
mid tier guy. And here we are, and so you
know it's it's this is not me trying to be
cryptique or weird or act like I know something or
whatever else. It's they literally told us all the same thing.
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I'm just passing the info onto you. That's what's happening here.
So I'm not trying to root against the Broncos. I'm
not trying to you know. I don't bendos who never
want us to sign anybody good. No, I just want
people to fit. I wasn't opposed to the Ingram signing.
I thought they could have you know, I thought there
were other things they could have done, but I was
opposed to it. Fine with it. It's a good signing.
It's all right. It's not my favorite signing. I love
the other signings more. But you know it's going to
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get all the run because it's an offensive skill position player.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I know you've circled some of the talking about if
they're not going to add another receiver on the veteran market.
I know you've highlighted guys like Jalen Royals, and you
know some of these exciting day two receivers, not even
on Day two, but just generally speaking the entire draft.
How likely do you think it would be for the
Broncos to dip their toes back into the pool wide
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receiver via the draft.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think they could, but I think you're probably talking
about Day three. I don't I don't get the vibe
that Day one or Day two wide receivers the direction
they're going.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And could do you mean like that's a fifty to
fifty proposition.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, I believe they'll add a receiver in the draft,
but probably later. I mean you're probably talking like this
six seven round, you know, that kind of stuff. If
something were to fall in their lap. It's a lot
like let's say Ted is there at you know, twenty,
which he might be, and honestly he might be there
beyond that. Ye, maybe you kind of look at that,
But I mean, I just don't get the vibe that
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that's where they're at with that. I think that they're
looking at other directions.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You've been banging the drum for, you know, sudden maybe
being on the ways out or on the way out
this offseason. A pick like Tmac at number twenty would
make that a lot easier and a lot more comfortable.
You could cheap Devon Valet in that big slot role.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, I think, well, but I complicated. Yeah, I think
they view vala is that guy. I think they think
Vala is this Suddon's replacement. I think they think that
highly of him. And whether we do or not, that's
what's funny to me, because as I tried to lay
this out for people on social media, you know, everybody's
always you telling me with my critiques, well, who are
(16:44):
you to criticize Sean Payton? Well, I'm telling you what
Sean Payton thinks about this wide receiver, and you guys
are criticizing Sean Payne for it. Not you personally, Zach,
but you get the idea. And so I think that's
kind of funny. I think it's kind of interesting that
you know, Sean, who is the guy who's evaluating me.
He's the one who's making the decisions on this stuff,
and it's not me. Benjamin Albright doesn't have anything to
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do with it. Right, All I'm doing is relaying the
information to you. I think they view Devon Valley significantly
higher that I think most of the fan base does.
And I think you.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Look at some of the athletic testing numbers or whatever
when he was coming out as a prospect, there's reason
to believe he could have a lot of upside even
I mean, you've highlighted some of these stats, the stuff
like EPA per target or whatever, kind of the rate
stats where he actually surpassed Sutton last year despite not
having as many touchdowns, or some of those those noisier
plays that can kind of inflate the data a little bit.
(17:39):
So what do you think the starting base today, I
know where a long ways out. What does that like
base offensive personnel look like to you? Valet at the
x mims at the z Ingram kind of that large
slought role, troutman in line more or less.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And then running back. You know, if it potentially I'm
just gonna throw them right. Hampton's name out there again.
But yeah, more or less, there will be some plays
where maybe you have Ingram, you know, in line and
you're moving them out, and there'll be plays where you
have Sutton and val At both on the field at
the same time, maybe Valets playing Navy slot. You know,
you'll move, you'll move things around a little bit, but
your base offense becomes Sutton or Vala at the x
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mims and with Franklin behind him at the z uh
and then you know you've got a heavy slot in
Ingram and a tight end in you know, in troutman
and if that becomes a fullback in the goal line situation,
it's Atkins who plays a full back of the h
back and you know, in that kind of situation. And
so there are ways you can move that around. You
can move Mims in the backfield, and there's things that
you can do to keep yourself multiple. But that's your
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that's your base offense, and that's the way they're looking
at it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And Ingram allows you to play some of those personnel games.
I know you've highlighted before, at least in kind of
regard to the joker role and just kind of is
this twelve or is it eleven personnel and trying to
get defenses to throw the linebacker out there because you
have this tight ended Ingram out and now all of
a sudden you have a giant mismatch problem.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Do you think that's part of the vision there for him.
I think Ingram is viewed as a more of a
between the twenties, big slot guy. I know people look
at that and you're think in red zone, he's never
been a red zone guy. Like, yeah, if you go
back and look at his numbers, that he's scored a little.
I mean that this's the one thing that jumps out
at you from his numbers is how few touchdowns he
scored over the course of his career. He's just been
a guy who has the size and speed over the
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middle of the field to be able to create certain
mismatch type situations. They used him as a heavy slot
two years ago. They were spamming him with these screen targets.
That's why he wound up with like one hundred and
some odd catches, but didn't I can't remember what the
artist told it was. Wasn't wasn't as high as you
think could be that many for that many catches. But
they were spamming him with these screen things and letting him,
you know, try to break tackles after the catch, because
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you know, you just checked to see if you had
a corner lined up on him, and you don't be
break the tackle and go from there. So, you know,
I think he's a guy who can who could do
a couple of different things. But I really think that
they feel like they've got the young core here. They
just want to kind of round this thing out a
little bit and go from And that's that's sort of
what they did, so we're gonna chance to get more
into that here and then as well as your you
guys just text. We've got a few texts coming. I'll
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get to get to those as well. Five six six
nine zeros in text line, you guys a listen to
Broncos Country to Night right here on KA five six
six nine zeros text line for those who did miss
the update. During the break, Kathy Walker was talking about
the Ted last Obm renewed for season four. If you
listen to this show, you already knew that. In fact,
you knew that several weeks ago. You also knew that
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Ted would be coaching a women's team. So we'll call
me at Allbright TV insider. You know what country it's
based on. It's it's again a return I believe it's
a return to as it sits right now, a return
to England. And it's gonna be like an AFC Richmond
women's team. And there will be cameos by some of
the some of the other people on some of this,
but it'll be like him started up a women's team.
That's that. That is the original plan is of a
couple of weeks ago. If nothing has changed, so I.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Mean in that vision, would they still have God, I
can't think of the characters they now, but the owner.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, they would be back. That was kind of front
off how they would be right. The people who would
not be returning, you know, right, basically the Jamie Tard
character who's supposed to Cameo and some of the other
but mostly like the Sam characters and those guys probably
not going to be in this. And but you will
see Higgins back and what can't just supposed to be
(21:16):
back because Brett Goldstein, who's the actor for that, he
is one of the writers as well, so but anyway, yeah,
so that's that's one of those things. So we talked
about that. I got a sort of an inside track
on that show because friend of mine. Well, I mean,
you could figure it out from Twitter if you try
hard enough. But anyway, you knew about that for a
while here here on this show. So I'm excited about that.
(21:37):
You big Ted Lasso fan. I was obviously a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So yeah, I thought it was a great show. I
thought they did the concept really well.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was nice.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I think in general, a lot of people feel like
just stuffs kind of dark right now, But you know, which.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It was nice to have an eternal optimist them Ted
last exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yes, that's always like looking on the bright side or
just it's like even when they dealt with heavier topics
or whatever. Yeah, eternal optimism and I don't know, a
very yeah positive like yeah positive PC. I guess eternal
optism is the perfect way to describe it. But it's
just it was a rare show that made you feel good.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Another one.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I loved watching Star Trek the Next Generation in recent years.
It is something I never had seen before. I didn't
know you were a fellow treky man. It's damn good.
I've seen almost every episode and it's I would recommend
it to people if you are. You know, it's a
very optimistic idea of the future, and it's you know,
there's no no war or famine or any other probably war,
(22:33):
but a war among humanity. I guess all these like
the stuff we deal with the problems we have humanities
advanced so far that they're not a problem anymore, right,
And as a result, they have to come up with
interesting character dramas and these different plot points. But it's
a very optimistic show and there's not enough of that, right, now.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So anyways, Yes, I loved Ted life. I did not
have Zach Seegers being a treky on my Bengo card
coming into this show tonight, So that that just made
me happy because I am kind of a nerd when
it comes to that. But but I loved you know,
the Ted. Last thing I love. I just loved his
is sort of eternal optimism because I've been the skeptic
and a pessimist, and I think everybody knows I've had
spectacularly whatever blow ups in my life and those kinds
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of things, and so you know, I think there was
there's something to that, Like you kind of look at
that and you kind of like, and that could be
me if I try hard enough. You know. I especially
like it especially resonated with me when Beard in see
I'm like, I'm spoiling season three. So if you haven't
seen Ted lasso plug yours, but in season three when
he sort of comes to night, you know, to get him,
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and so like, there's there's a moment there that resonates
with me from kind of both sides of that, having
been a guy that's messed up and want you know,
in second chances and then being able to pass along,
second chances and things like that, not you know, obviously
the level Beard had them, but you know, there's there's
just like there's a moment that resonates there. And I
think that with that show, people can find moments that
resonate with them. So I think we're all maybe a
(23:58):
little bit excited about seeing ted Lasso again. I did
not see anyone who was upset by this news. Yeah.
Apple TV is well, you know, they got all the
bes stuff going on, and to be honest with you,
it's the creators of ted Lasso that that are like shrinking.
It's the same people they brought goldste and Bill Lawrence
right now. I mean that's the show everybody's talking about. Yeah.
(24:20):
Apple TV is like it's like when Netflix. I mean
Netflix used to be the the prestige TV thing and
and you know they kind of gave up on a
lot of that and went went reality TV with some
of their stuff. And you know, now you've got Apple
TV taking the taking the crown with the with the originals,
even taking it from Max.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think, yeah, Amazon, Yeah, the big TV shows that
everyone wanted or like the high class ones and know
you've got Severance over on on Apple TV. They've got
the big movie with Miles Tyler and uh yeah, I
know yet I got to get to that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
But not that good. I think I do like in
a Taylor Johnson or whatever. Yeah, they were good, and
I think its thought.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It was like a really high brow action movie and
I think it was probably a little closer to like
Fast and Furious, which is funny. It was fun, But
I would think I would I would expect kind of
more slock going on.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Okay, all right, well I will. I will then adjust
my expectations for that five six six nine zeros the text,
I'm talking a little bit of Broncos stuff here. I
wonder what you guys think about the free agents signing
so far. I love the defensive sideing. I'm with you,
Zach on the red flags on the injury is the
first thing I said. I was texting Ryan, you know,
and that was the first thing I said. I was like, man,
I'm a little worried, Like I don't want to be
wet planking at all right right now, but I'm a
(25:28):
little worried about the injury history here is. But I
talked to some people and they're like, you know, every
player in the NFL is hurt. I mean, they're all
injured at some point or another. So you have to
believe in your own medical staff that these guys that
they cleared this and these guys are good to go,
and that you're not the Falcons signing Kirk Cousins, which
was an actual text to me. So, you know, I
think I think I took more from that because when
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you watch the tape, both I'm not Gonna and green
Law they're players, they're dudes, they're dogs, man, and those
are guys that take a really good defense and make
it great, especially when you inject them into the two
weakest spots on this defense. Uh, there's some more work
to be done in terms of maybe adding some depth
along the line and whatnot, but I think those were
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the two weakest spots and you replaced him with some
absolute dogs. I mean the knock on green Law on
the field, you know, outside of injury, is his coverage ability.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I think he's better than even with that being the
knock in his game. I think he's better than anything
the Broncos have had in a while in that.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Probably dating back to Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall, Yeah, I
would probably agree, Marshall, Traveathan, Wesley Woodyard, those are guys
I thought that, uh, you know that eraw was the
was the prime Broncos linebacker era in terms of coverage.
We've had good linebackers since him, but they were a
little bit different skill sets. I mean, Todd Dave was
a great downhill guy. You know. Yeah, we've had editual
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you know, run fits guy with great instincts, all that
kind of stuff. We've had good linebackers, but the ability
that he brings to the table I think is h
he's transcendent relative to to to what we've had. And
then you know, off he's I think he's I think
he's a good seething so yeah, just total spark plugs.
I think there's something to having a former forty nine
ers player, whether that's by by accident or on purpose,
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but a former Super Bowl player at each level of
the defense. Now, you know, you got DJ who was
you know, if you want to talk about something I
got wrong, I didn't think they're gonna be able to
bring DJ back. I did not based on the conversations
I had. I thought that he was gone and it
was going to be pooing a forward. But they ended
up bringing DJ back. And you know, now you say
you've got Ford, you have excuse me, you've got Jones,
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You've got green Law, you got to bag. You have
a super Bowl player at every level that even they
know what it takes to get there, you know. And
so I think there's I think there's a value to
that on the defensive signings. Yeah, and I have to
imagine Drake Greenlaw. You know Afonga too.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
If anyone who misses out on a Super Bowl is
gonna have some sour grapes about it. But like Drake
Greenlaw had one of the most tragic right Super Bowl
experiences I can ever remember seeing having a great game,
kind of leading his at least the defensive side of
his team to a lead at that point in the game,
and just freaking in my head, I saw it come
back up on Twitter with the Broncos sign. In my head,
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I thought he was like jumping up and down where
I thought it was more he was doing something more
explosive with but he was really just running off the sidelines.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And it's just horrible luck.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But I he looked so good in terms of his
movement this past season that I'm pretty optimistic and I
think they've protected themselves with the structuring of at all.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I want to talk about the offensive side of the
ball before let's go three tonight. But I'll brut herea
with you is actually your respector behind the glass? Five
six sixty nine zero is the text line. Quite a
few texts coming. They don't get to those here in
just a moment. We've got Matt Barrels coming up top
of the hour forty nine ers rider for the Athletic
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get a chance to talk a little bit about green
law on tough Tigo. What it is that we've got
there with that Patrick Keyote. Some of you may know
him as Mario Vitanzi's partner in crime over there on
altitude Adjustment. Going to be here in the eight o'clock
How we're get a chance to chat with him for
a minute. It'd be a lot of fun. Four to
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that again. Five six six nine zeros of tex scient
Somebody asked about slow Horses on Apple TV. I have
not that's on my to do list. I haven't watched
it yet. I know it'supposed to be good. I haven't
done that yet. Seven one three says, hey, al Bright,
just shut your ears to the wet blanket nonsense. It
amazes me talking about football can bring out the most
female attributes of some men. Nothing but wild speculation and
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emotion based on decisions, reactions, ideas. Thank you for being
a representative of truth and reality. That's what I tune
in for, not ridiculousness. Well, to be fair, When I'm
on any show, there is a fair amount of ridiculousness,
although it's usually uh me thinking I'm funnier than I am. Yeah,
you definitely don't tone down the ridiculousness.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I didn't know you had a seven to one nine number,
all right, thanks for texting that in the checks and
the mail.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Oh, let's see what else we got here? Seven to two? Oh,
Cooper Cup was never going to be a full time receiver.
He's a third down specialist, so he stays healthy twenty
five plays a game that would have been great, but
at that price, probably that was never going to happen. Yeah,
I definitely gonna happen. Let's see here, the nine or
nine man is the offensive player along with the obvious
special teams player that you hinted at us adding on Twitter,
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or receiving or running back. What are potential names they're
thinking in regards to that offensive player. Well, especially these
players should be obvious they need a putterer like that's
and you don't think they wait till the draft. Maybe
I do believe there's a free agent they're looking at.
We'll see. I don't know if I want to put
that name out yet or not, just because I you know,
I'll keep people stirred up over punter news, keep people
(30:30):
glued to the radio for punter news. Now, I got
to tell what I'll tell you, Matt Hack. I think
they're looking at that one. I'm not a hundred that
gets done. I'm not even sure how serious they are.
That's just a name that I know that they were
potentially interested in. I know everybody's talking about the kids
from CSU. I don't. I didn't get the vibe as
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the direction they're going at all. What's his name, I'm
Blanket Star. Yeah, I don't. I don't believe that that is.
I don't think that's the direction they're going. Maybe they
ultimately pivot that way, but I don't think that's a priority.
Form is probably better way to put it. So we'll see.
Are you worried about the downgrade? There any punter. I mean, look,
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the Sean Payton enthusiasts and you all should be saying,
we're never gonna punt, right. We got Bonies and Sean Payton,
We're never punning, right. I mean, let's not be ridiculous here.
I'm big a care com purpose here. I don't think
it's a I don't think it's a huge issue. It's
we're here at Denver a mile high. Unless you are
a terrible punter, it's not going to be a problem. Yeah,
we had one of those before.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But you know, I think it's going to come down
to the like how accurate are they element and who
knows on this guy. I haven't looked into him any,
but just because I do have more faith at the
offense at least should like average end a dry field
position I think will be deeper than it's been for
past Broncos offenses. And yeah, I think it's going to
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come down more too. Can you be pitting opponents inside
the twenty consistently? Which Dixon was good out early on
in the season, but close pretty rough there, right. So
to answer your question, I'm not going to tell you
what position or the offensive player, but there you go.
For the special teams. That's the one I think. I
know the going after. A part of the question is
whether or not they land that particular one.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So h three or three Briandon, I know you mentioned
the Broncos signing a mid level veteran receiver. Do you
think they would pursue Alan Lazard if he were released
or Tyler Lockett? Love listening to the show We love
you listening. I think Lockett is going to the Raiders.
Not a hundred on that, but I think so. And
there's an obvious connection there obviously, you know him and
Gino and Pete and you know, getting the band back
together and all that kind of stuff. We'll see, but
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I think that's the direction he's kind of looking at Lazard,
is it? Maybe? You know, if you bring him in again,
you're bringing him in to feel that little Jordan Humphrey role,
and litt Jordan Humphrey has been putting weight on to
go become a tight end. So you know, there's and
I think I as I understand it, little Jordan and
his agent believe that they're coming back to the Broncos
to the tight end. So take that for what you will.
(32:59):
I don't know who the odd man out there is
Lucas Crole, maybe the Hall of Famer, let's player on
the team. Yeah really, But you know, at the end
of the day, I think Blizzard would have to be
the right number, and it would have to be inexpensive.
At this point, you just don't have the resource that
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you know, the resources without paying a bunch of cash
up front, and Animalizard is not the kind of guy
you go pay a bunch of cash to.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And once you sign one more guy, like, okay, you're
set out wide receiver unless they move.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
That's what I'm saying. They move off Sudden if you do. Yeah, right,
that's what I'm saying. Like, if you do sign somebody
that means that what and you get the draft pick,
you've got an odd man out right, because you've already
got on the roster right now. You've got Sudden, you
got Vele and Mims and Franklin. Yeah right, Shirfield. You
got Sirfield who you signed as a specialty, which, by
the way, I love that signing me too. I think
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watch the tape. He is a dog. He doesn't have
the little Jordan Humphrey size.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
But when I think special teams like kind of the
gunian ability and what he brings as a blocker. I
think he's kind of like a hybrid of a little
Jordan Humphrey replacement and Treymont Smith replacement. Like you'll give
you what Lord Jordan was giving you on offense, is
that blocker, and then on special teams he's going to
be your your ace coverage guy.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, he's that's exactly what he is. He doesn't die,
he's not a returner like Tremond, but the rest of it,
he's a gunner like Treymon was, and you know, and
that kind of stuff. So anyway, you've got you've got,
I want to say, Franklin, You've got Velef Franklin, Mim Sutton,
We mentioned Sherfield, You've got Michael Bandy's still on his roster,
and at Perry who for whatever recent people think it's
going to be a stud this year. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, those guys I think are probably practice squad or
they're not on the final fifty three. But if you
sign one more like, I don't think he'sbody. They even
carried six on the active roster and the Sean Payden
Eira and.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's not something they generally do so you you know,
if you do that, then you are giving up a
tight end. Okay, who you give it up? Probably? I
mean Yasmin is just the because they're carrying what five
tight ends right now.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
He's with International Pathway program so they can keep him
as that ninety Right, So you've got Ingram, who.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I guess you're counting is a tight end. I mean
I actually count Hims a receiver, but counting him is
a tight end. Troutman Kroll, Nate Atkins. Adkins will be
here by virtue of the fact that he's the fullback
as well. If a burden you think's not here anymore,
he's they've signed up. I feel like late in this
last time you think this is they've they've separated. I
think Nate Atkins made enough a name of himself in
the red zone last year that they feel comfortable with that.
(35:22):
Will see, Oh we come back, Matt Burrows, the Athletics
gonna join us. Just in a Broncos country night. K Wa
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